Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 979: When to Cut Back on Training, How to Become a Better Runner, Ways to Spot a Fake Influencer & MORE

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Starting point is 00:00:42 Yeah, Sarah Cote. Anyway, we do work with PRX performance. So if you go to PRXperformance.com forward slash mine pump and you use the code mind pump, you'll get 5% off your order and a free maps prime program with purchase over $500. Yes. Then we talked about our favorite all time exercise machines, a lot of old machines in that one because you know we're all old here. Then we talked about Adam's return to 24-hour fitness and how he spoke to trainers and we talked all about our enjoyment of talking to trainers. We talked about my daughter's first taste of organified green juice.

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Starting point is 00:01:37 The first question was, when working out your whole body, if only one body part feels like it's being overworked, should you scale back on that one body part, or should you scale back the whole body and let the whole body kind of rest and recover? Next question. You're flexing.

Starting point is 00:01:52 How frequently should you work on correctional exercises? So if you're trying to correct a recruitment pattern or fix your posture or fix the way you move or walk or whatever, is that something you should do all the time? Or should you do it infrequently with a high level of intensity like you do when you're trying to build muscle? Next question, we talk a lot about how running

Starting point is 00:02:14 should be practiced like a skill or a sport. So if somebody wants to start running, what is our recommendation then? How do you go about practicing the skill of running? And the final question, do we have any tips on being an authentic influencer and do we have any tips on how to spot the fake ones that you find all over social media? Also, this month, one of our most popular muscle building, body building, physique competitor, bikini competitor, focus programs, maps aesthetic is 50% off.

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Starting point is 00:03:38 you'll get updated automatically at no additional cost. This is what we do with all of our programs. Oh, and by the way at that site maps fitness products calm You can look up and check out our other maps programs for different goals different needs and different people make sure you go check that out Dude how angry how angry are you Justin? I'm angry. Yeah, cuz you you got I'm not going to be able to do it. You're not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it.

Starting point is 00:04:08 I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it.

Starting point is 00:04:24 I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. and workshop great for you. But are you annoyed now that you don't have the serricote one? A little bit. Did you see that? I'm a little bit perturbed. Yeah, it's way cooler. I mean, basically the serricote, which I thought it was pronounced serricote, just because I wanted to pronounce it that way. Yeah, it's actually this layer over the top

Starting point is 00:04:39 so you can actually see that steel finish, you know, like guns and all that where they have that cool finish, where it's like a clear kind of transparent. They use it in the gun industry, right? Because it's like, non, it's what is it, corrosion resistant or whatever. Yeah, but also why it's cool is because of all the damage. Like, so I've already had little bit flakes and when I go to rack the weights with the bar,

Starting point is 00:05:02 like it'll scratch and like kind of ding it a bit. Which is fine. Like I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'm just like, Hercules, in my house. Is it more money for those ones that are finished with that or are they going that way? Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, that's a great question.

Starting point is 00:05:15 I don't know. I have no idea if they're trying to be unprepared for that question. Why didn't you get that one, Justin? They didn't have the option. Okay, so it was brand new. Oh, okay, so it didn't exist before. Yeah, okay. I'm at that. Okay, so it didn't exist before. Yeah, okay. I mentioned.

Starting point is 00:05:26 No, it's a very cool look. And, you know, if you're gonna have it in your house, like, yeah, I would totally would have gone with that option. Because the powder coating, it does, I mean, it's great and it protects the steel and everything. But it flakes it. It flakes, yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, after a long time of banging on it, it's just kind of inevitable. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:44 It must be, I wonder if it's more money or they just went to all their stuff. They don't have to look up PRX and see if it's new like that where all of them are converted or it's an option that you can pay more to have. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure about it. I know right now I'm kind of renovating to that room where I have it in. So, I'm actually trying to like upgrade that wall and do kind of like the what we did in the front of Our studio and like have all that

Starting point is 00:06:10 That would Reclaimed would kind of finish would be would look really cool with that there too So yeah, you know, I I have a thing for gyms that feel like gyms You know, I'm saying like Like the color gray, metal plates that clang. Just like, I just have a thing for it. Gyms get real, they make them real nice and aesthetic nowadays. But some of my best workouts ever

Starting point is 00:06:37 where as a kid and some of these iron dungeons. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's some motivating about it. It's even if it's like beat up and I mean, just screams that it's been used. I don't's even if it's like beat up and it, I mean, just screams that it's been used. I don't remember what gym was it that we went to? Oh, it's when we filmed big text.

Starting point is 00:06:51 No, well, no, that one's fucking love that place in Texas. No, when we filmed, originally filmed a map, Sestetic, we went to that gym, Modesto. Modesto. And they had so much equipment in there that was old school and a little. Oh, I remember that. Old school and a little fucked up, but still worked.

Starting point is 00:07:08 And her sport. Is that what it was called? And her sport Modesto. Is this still there? I actually think they closed that down. Oh, that sucks. Because I know the owner, she was, she's a listener.

Starting point is 00:07:18 Hopefully she's still listening to podcasts. And the last time I talked to her, she was telling me that I think they were moving on from that place. Someone else might have reopened another one, but the original owners and the inner sport that I used to go to when I was a kid, like, it's not, it wasn't the one you worked out at when you were a kid. No, no, that was.

Starting point is 00:07:37 I'm saying now it's different, I think. I don't know for sure though. When we went there, it looked just like what it looked like when I was a 15 year old kid. We got in there. That feels so awesome. Yeah, it was pretty weird when we were in there shooting that. It's cool.

Starting point is 00:07:50 Yeah, there was one machine that I hadn't seen in a long time. It was a Nautilus chain fed or chain belt machine. So squat one? No, no, that one too. But now days, if you go to a gym and it's a, if it's a, you know, selectorized piece of equipment,

Starting point is 00:08:05 selectorized is the one where you take the pin out. Yeah, it's all cables. Yes. And it's either cable or belt. So they'll use like a nylon belt or a cable to pull the weight rack. Well, when the original machines, like Nautilus was one of the original manufacturers of those kinds of machines, had a chain. Now, for obvious reasons, they had to change that because the last place you want to get anything caught in is between the chain and the camp.

Starting point is 00:08:27 But the thing about chains, that's really good. It gives the machine a really good feel. It's like instant contact. Now do you think it's a really good feel or do you think that there's a part of you that's attached to it to a micerove? I'm sure there is. I'm sure there is.

Starting point is 00:08:41 But some machines, they haven't been able to duplicate, like Nautilus had this incline fly machine that I've never seen anybody make ever again. So most fly machines now will have handles that you hold on with your hands. This one had pads that went in the crux of your elbow. Do you remember this? And you do this with it to do a fly or whatever?

Starting point is 00:09:01 Have you messed with the air compressed machines like Kaiser makes? Yes. I love those. Yes. And it's like fly wheel. The ones that give you resistance on the way back as well. There was a machine at actually a whole row of machines at the 24 hour on Nautilus, the original Nautilus. And I've never seen these since where you would load it was a electronic resistance. So you type in the weight, so okay, I wanna live. Yeah, that's a trip. 120 pounds.

Starting point is 00:09:27 And I don't know how the resistance was provided, it was with magnets or something. And it would calculate, it would calculate the negative. So when you lower the rate, it would make it an automatic like 20 to 30% heavier. So if I push out 100 pounds, it would come back 120 or 140, whatever it was. It was a really weird feel.

Starting point is 00:09:45 See, now that was a ARX, I think a bolt proof exec guy like promotes like that. It's like this crazy expensive piece of equipment, but they always have it like paleo effects and all that. So is the one that bend did? Yeah. So it like it it overloads like the eccentric portion and like you can only get like maybe like three, three, yeah, two, three reps into your just like fried. That's what when we interviewed Dave Asprey,

Starting point is 00:10:13 didn't he say that that's how he worked out? Yeah, I think he'll 12 minutes. He's like, you only need to do 12 minutes. Once a wounder, how many of those things they sold? And he's like, he gives you all the benefits of a workout that you would do every day. And at that, that's the moment we all checked out. The fuck, that's okay.

Starting point is 00:10:29 Talk to us about coffee. Cool story. We'll talk about fitness. That's not true. You're wrong about butter coffees. You got it. But I used to love that, that novelist. And then there's another machine that I have yet to find

Starting point is 00:10:41 as good as the original, which was the original that pulled out, excuse me, pull over, pull over machine. The Monterey has one. They have the original, which was the original that pullover machine. The Monterey has one. They have the original one? Yeah, oh no. No, it's plate loaded. It's plate loaded, you're right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:52 But it's pretty good though. It's not bad. Yeah, it's pretty good. Was it cyan, gym? I mean, they had a lot of these cool machines and like you're the only one that's been there. I can't wait till you guys check it out. One of the coolest gyms I've ever been to.

Starting point is 00:11:04 And we've been to cool gyms like I haven't mentioned big text and like the Reno gym like this Trumps all my keep saying and I Love those guys. They're not so cyan gym is not in Sacramento. Where are they? I know Santa Rosa Santa Rosa and it's you'd never know it even existed like they they don't promote it Like there's just like a few members. I don't even know how many members are actually there at one time, but people come in and come out and there's power lifters, there's bodybuilders. It has something for everybody. It's the great gym. Yeah, it's a playground. I heard from Danny or Taylor told me that the owner inherited a bunch of money and literally

Starting point is 00:11:46 just built their dream gym. Well, it's totally a lifter's dream. They nailed it. I don't know how they figured out the layout. If they designed all that themselves, but it was pretty much perfect. The way that it was all aligned up. It's pretty much perfect. Pretty much, I don't know another word pretty much perfect. The way that it was all lined up. It's pretty much perfect. I don't know another word than perfect.

Starting point is 00:12:07 It takes, it's difficult to make a good amount of money or to make a successful business on a gym that's just based off of awesome lifting equipment. As sad as it is to say that, I feel like that's a tough model. You know what I'm saying? To make money with a big box, it's like you gotta go the, you know, what's it called, planet fitness route or 24 fitness type of route. Like it's tough with like a, a gym that's like a lifters paradise. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I could see how tough that would be. One piece of equipment that's more modern,

Starting point is 00:12:38 that actually is a reflection of old equipment actually that I loved. And if I ever, ever, ever open a gym again in the future, I will definitely have this, was that Incline Bench at Pekolsky's gym. Oh, I like that. That was so great. That's actually the first time I've ever used that. I, me too. Now that's how Bench's, that's how Incline Bench's originally

Starting point is 00:13:01 were designed and they were wood. There was like a wood plank that you'd lay back on. But if I, if doing an incline. Just like standing and then leaning back. Yes, because doing an incline press with dumbbells in an incline where you're kind of seated, so much better to be able to stand, lean back and kick the dumbbells back.

Starting point is 00:13:18 I feel like I have better CNS activation, being able to stand and do that press. Well, yeah, it's well-standard. And those that have a hard time using leg drive for actually pressing it totally promotes that because you're standing on your feet versus You know learning how to try and drive through your legs. I really liked it Plus there's a lot of other things you could do with that thing the real dealt flies We are doing on there we're doing some laterals on there. No, it's a great His gym was my favorite bodybuilder gym that I've been in so far that one big Texas

Starting point is 00:13:44 It would be the gym. I would want to lift in though because I like favorite bodybuilder gym that I've been in so far. That one. Big Texas, it would be the gym I would want to lift in though, because I like the bodybuilder stuff, but I also like the fucking heavy dirt. That motivates you quite a bit. I was into the Reno one a lot too. The Reno one with the basketball courts. Do you like how they flattress the Grass Hill? And then it had a whole floor that was nothing but deadlift platforms.

Starting point is 00:14:02 We know what I'm saying? And then it upstairs. Oh, that hill that you could go to the grass to push the sled up there. That was like, oh my God, that's crazy. I think if I could build the gym closest to my house that I would use most of the time, it would probably be something like that facility.

Starting point is 00:14:17 The only thing it was missing that would make it a more ultimate gym for me is, you know, and I'm loving this right now, being back at club sport is, I do like the little spa side of it, you know, it's nice to have a really nice, really nice bathroom and nice locker room, steam, you know, dry end steam, sauna.

Starting point is 00:14:34 It's a whole, yeah, it's 100% it sounds way more appealing now. You're getting older, bro. Yeah, but they also have good, they have, you know, a good lifting area too. So it's normally and club sport finally got their shit together this last year. But before that, it was all, it only attracted the older spa people. But now they've got that that kind of, you know, hate to say crossfit air functional area, right? That they have that's got a ton of like,

Starting point is 00:14:58 now are you, have you made the transition to full naked in the locker room and steam room? Are you still covering yourself up. Wow. It comes with the hot questions. So I'm a comfortable naked guy, but I'm not glad I'm my way to walk around the locker room naked guy. So I'm like, when I get my shorts off, I just take my shorts off and I'm standing there

Starting point is 00:15:19 and naked in front of my locker, but I'm not the asshole who walks around. Walks around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like, yeah, I feel like I could get that done in my towel. Oh, dry your blood. I'm right there. And then I can drop my drawers right before I put my underwear on. I used to hate it when I would walk in

Starting point is 00:15:34 because you do your walkthrough of the gym, right? I would do my walkthrough and every time I'd walk, because you know, I'm the manager, so people know who I was. I'd walk through and there was always some dude that wanted to talk to me about something about the gym or his membership and this is the part that annoyed me. And there's his just wizard staring at you.

Starting point is 00:15:52 Yeah, this thing. Yes. It's like, god damn it that way. The thing you know it irritate me, isn't that he would be completely naked. It was that he would have one or two articles of clothing that didn't make sense to put on for like a socks. Yeah, like a socks, socks and flip-flops.

Starting point is 00:16:09 Like a beating or something. Yeah. So true. Like really guy? There was one guy that would just wear a headband on. You would just wear a t-shirt. No, you would just wear a t-shirt. And the t-shirt barely, t-shirt and no pants.

Starting point is 00:16:20 And the t-shirt would barely cover. That's my at-home move. That's my at-home move. Is that your thing? Yeah, at-home, I'm like that. That's weird. Do you really That's my at home moves Yeah, home I'm like that. That's weird You're really yeah home. I'm like that. It just hangs down a little bit easy at that point You know the worst was at that same gym I I was like walk around I noticed you know

Starting point is 00:16:35 There's some guys older guys that are totally just cool be naked But one of them was watching ESPN in that little room naked sitting on the chair Your balls are touching where I would sit. Come on guy. You know, like you have standards. Oh, that's disgusting. No, but that's, I don't know what that is. There would be guys that would go in

Starting point is 00:16:55 and they would, again, put their t-shirt on, nothing underneath, and then they go shave. Which doesn't make any sense. Why are you doing this? Just speaking of it, speaking of gyms, I actually stopped by- a old stomping ground. All of us, Hill'sdale, I went by Hill'sdale 24-hour fitness.

Starting point is 00:17:09 Oh wow. Yeah, yesterday. You were there too, huh? So, at one point, Hill'sdale? Yeah, I re-granned open that one. That's the one where we all were. Yeah, well, we both took 49.7, too. So, because Sanatrisa, all of them.

Starting point is 00:17:22 Yeah, Sanatrisa. Yeah, so I re-grand open Hillsdale, and then I grand open Sanitrisa. All right. Yeah, so those are the two San Jose clubs. Hillsdale's, the original one that I worked out at, but it wasn't where it is now. It was where the home depot was.

Starting point is 00:17:37 And that first one was old school because it had a women's area. So men were not allowed in the women's area. That's where they had the different colored upholstery, it was the same fucking equipment. They had racquetball, which racquetball is not a thing anymore, but in the early 90s. Oh, it was huge.

Starting point is 00:17:53 And 80s, oh dude, that's how you made your money. Athletic club, you know, I always would call that and you have racquetball and you got like tennis. And then you traded it for basketball because then the new one moved over and then they had the, it's not even a full basketball court,

Starting point is 00:18:05 it's a smaller version, like a mini version. And then you learn if you have a basketball court in your gym, you are going to have to break up fights constantly. Every night, it's a constant thing. So you were over there, huh? Yeah, yeah, you know, it feel, this is probably the longest I've gone without not

Starting point is 00:18:24 like going into a 24-hour fitness, especially to go see somebody who I know it, it feels, this is probably the longest I've gone without not like going into a 24-hour fitness, especially to go see somebody who I know there. It definitely, same feeling, but very different feeling for me. Like, to everything's the same in the gym, you know what I'm saying? Like, same people, same type of people, same layout, same everything, right? Like the feel of it when you come in. But what feels weird for me is not being the guy. Like that was something that, and this is something I teach trainers that work in a gym, even if you're not a manager,

Starting point is 00:18:53 even if you're just the trainer there. Like, you know, the guy who's willing to, or the girl who's willing to put in the work and be the trainer who like everybody knows because you help and you answer questions and you're friendly and you'll walk around and it's always available. Yeah, and you just, you get become known

Starting point is 00:19:09 and you meet all your regulars and it's like cheers when you walk in and like you're looking to create that culture. Hopefully the leadership there is doing that but even if you don't have good leaders there, you as an individual if you're a trainer should create this and you know, I'm used to walking in a 24-of-fitness and like, oh yeah, yeah, I'm, oh, no, you know,

Starting point is 00:19:27 like this and making my rounds. Are you far enough removed now? Yeah, I'm told you're, I'm nobody. You know what I'm saying? I ain't nobody, so I walk in and I don't get that. Like, in fact, I want you to do an uncle Riko thing. Yeah, back in the day. No, no.

Starting point is 00:19:40 Who's your DPR? No, you know why? I think I was like that. Like, I think it reminds me of being the athlete just at a high school, who comes back to the high school reunion and you're talking about your days and some of that. But I think I'm so far removed now,

Starting point is 00:19:54 that it's not even cool to tell stories unless someone's asking that. But I walked to the front desk and I'm like, hey, it's Thomas. So our good friend, Justin knows Thomas well because we work together. Yeah, Thomas. Yeah, shout out to Thomas Ben and Ben Randall, who's the regional vice president who

Starting point is 00:20:11 He there too. He's RVP. Oh nice. Yeah, Ben's the regional vice president. He's he's the one who gave the approval for Thomas to get there. I guess he reached out to Thomas and Thomas was like, hey, I want X, Y, Z as far as pay. And Ben said, let me see if I can get it approved. And then he was there like the next fucking day, dude, you moved him into that and then went in. So yeah, I went caught up with him. And I've seen Thomas in years and we had some great, we had some great years. Now, I heard rumors that they are, they're trying to go back a little bit to some of the

Starting point is 00:20:42 older ways of operating clubs. Is that true? So, the unfortunate part is, yeah, they already did that. And now they're starting to make their way again to some of the car-leabort moves, which is, so yesterday I had a chance to sit down. Thomas, I got there, got caught up with him for a while, and then he wanted to introduce me to his assistant sales manager and his fitness manager, and just kind of spend a little bit of time with him

Starting point is 00:21:05 and let them pick my brain and shit. And so he calls them in and we're talking about like how things are around now. And they're looking to move in the direction of actually eliminating the entire sales team and moving towards the direction of like the McDonald's. No sales team. Yeah, no sales team.

Starting point is 00:21:20 Move to the order. Yep, off the menu. Yep. Wow, good luck. Yeah, that's what I thought that was really interesting that because I know that they don't. I don't know why people do that. People need to realize that.

Starting point is 00:21:30 Well, because fitness isn't like that. Well, that's the problem. And this is what happens when you hire CEOs that are, I forget, like his, the DM, I mean, besides Ben Randall, who's the RVP, the other RVPs and DMs and VPs are all from other companies, dude, and the CEO, like nobody's from fitness. You have people that, and they're all coming from

Starting point is 00:21:52 respectable companies, and the guys can crunch numbers really well, but you're right, like this is the, fitness is unique, it's about the people, and you take that element out, I mean, so funny, it's actually, I just posted today on Instagram, I don't know if you guys saw my post about the importance of relationship building. And like, everything is happening.

Starting point is 00:22:10 We're in this tech age now where everything is faster and cheaper. And it sounds like that would be a great thing, but there's certain things that weren't meant to be faster and cheaper. And one of those is relationship building and building value with another human being, especially when you're selling them on a dream

Starting point is 00:22:25 That isn't tangible. Yeah, this is not something that they can go buy. It's something that you're not physical No, people get confused people are not paying a gym to have access to all this wonderful equipment I know that's what it looks like But that's not what people are really paying for and by the way the evidence is in how many people pay and don't ever go That's not what people are really paying for. And by the way, the evidence is in how many people pay and don't ever go. That what they're really paying for and why they buy it is because they want to change how they look and how they feel, which isn't in your fucking gym.

Starting point is 00:22:54 I don't walk into a gym and then see what I'm going to look like and feel like. That's not in there. All I see is equipment. I just see a big fucking room. And if you're going to sell me on just the room and the equipment, well, then I'm just going to look at the price and I'm going to look at all the other gyms in the area and I'm going to compare the price. And if you're gonna sell me on just the room and the equipment, well, then I'm just gonna look at the price and I'm gonna look at all the other gyms in the area and I'm gonna compare the price

Starting point is 00:23:08 and that's what's gonna win me over. And eventually what that does is it drives the price down so low and then gyms become these kind of dirty, cheap facilities or you get these really expensive type and it kind of, it segregates itself that way. But really what it is is people are paying for just like you said, Adam, a dream. And people don't know what that is,

Starting point is 00:23:28 they don't understand it. If they did, everybody would be working out. That's the bottom line. The bottom line is, and fit. That's it. The bottom line is if everybody in the world understood, if everyone in America understood what we in this room understand about what, you know, an act of lifestyle

Starting point is 00:23:43 and what eating properly can do for you and do for everything in your life, everybody would do it. That's the problem. So you need to have people to be able to communicate that. If you don't have that, you're good luck, you're fucked. So the whole thing actually inspired me to, and I told Brianna to help me out with this.

Starting point is 00:24:02 So I'm gonna put it down the podcast because I haven't put it down the podcast yet, but it reignited something in me that I just, I love to do, and I forget how much I like this, and I like leading other leaders, and I love spending that time, and I got to spend probably two hours with both his managers that work for him.

Starting point is 00:24:22 And I just, I love when I'm able to give to somebody that I can tell truly appreciates it and then they look like they're gonna go apply some of the newfound knowledge or information. And so what I'm gonna commit to is starting to pop up in any local gyms in the Bay area. So I've got a lot of relationships with a lot of GMs. If you're a podcast listener and you're a GM

Starting point is 00:24:44 or a fitness manager and you want me to drop in and come talk to some of your trainers, I don't care if there's fucking three of them or you got 40 of them. That's fun. Obviously, I appreciate the more people I can reach and touch that helps me, but I will. I'll come down and just talk to a handful of people that are in your club and come hang out and I'll try and bring Justin and Sal as many times but personally, I'm going to commit to that and start popping up in some of these gyms because it does. I forget,

Starting point is 00:25:11 we get so removed because now we have our own facility and we're here and I feel like a lot of the people that we're impacting are actually in these big box gyms and trainers that are working in these gyms. I mean, I would say that a good chunk of our audience are trainers and other fitness leaders. And, you know, I always feel like we make a greater impact when we get to spend that one on one time. And that was kind of the motivation behind the post that I did this morning about relationships is remembering that, you know, because I too am getting so immersed in this digital world now of podcasting and DMs and inboxes and emails and it's like you know it that'll never surpass the power of being

Starting point is 00:25:53 able to connect with somebody in person and the value of that it's just it's it's unmeasurable in comparison to this this touch touch and go where we're just trying to touch people text them like them smiley face bullshit, like, nah man, if you don't get to really understand somebody and know what makes them tick and then find ways to add value in their lives, like you're not gonna forge a really good relationship and I can't stress how important that is to anybody.

Starting point is 00:26:17 Jim's and trainers and people in the fitness industry are the front line against, in the battle against obesity and poor health. If anybody's going to solve, because I don't think people quite appreciate the predicament that modern societies are in, the chronic health issues that we're having to tackle right now, really do threaten to bankrupt some of the wealthiest nations in the world. I mean, the rise of things like, of course, obesity and diabetes and anxiety issues and all these all these health chronic health problems that you can't treat with medications that you have to treat with changes in lifestyle. The fitness industry has the answers and the soldiers in that

Starting point is 00:27:02 battle, the ones on the front line, are the trainers, more than anybody else. There's lots of people who are going to help this problem. You have doctors, you have speakers, you have social media personalities, you have people providing great information, you have podcast hosts. But the only reason why I'm saying this is because I was a trainer for 20 years and I know how many people we impact through our podcast. And I really appreciate that. We reach a lot of people. But if I can work with someone in person,

Starting point is 00:27:32 boy can I be effective? And like I said, those are the, that's the front line. Those are the soldiers. Yeah, it's interesting. I was just like listening to another speaker talk about this and about addiction. And again, bringing up that study about the rat and the cage and then changing the environment of the cage, you know, of the cage and how different it was. And just by the results, yeah, despite

Starting point is 00:27:55 all my rage. But thinking about that in terms of the front line and the trainers and that human interaction, it's the connection. The opposite of addiction is connection. And so, we can only go so far as like from a podcaster, from Instagram or from these remote ways of community interacting with people. Whereas that human interaction is actually, that's the bridge. That's the real power when you build connections with people to battle addiction,

Starting point is 00:28:28 to battle depression, to battle anxiety, to all these things, that's the most potent way to combat it. Well, the trainers, personal trainers are the evangelists of fitness. They're the one, people become trainers mainly, and again, through all the trainers I've ever met, it's a job of passion, it's a job of purpose.

Starting point is 00:28:49 Very few people become personal trainers, they're like, oh, I'm gonna be a trainer, so I can be rich, or oh, I'm gonna be a trainer, so I can be glamorous. Most people become trainers, like, wow, I really love fitness, I have a passion for this, and I wanna work for people, so here's what I'm gonna do, and they become the evangelist for this battle against poor health.

Starting point is 00:29:09 Some of the things I like to communicate most to trainers is just how to communicate more effectively. I mean, it really comes across and teaching them how to sell their ideas better. Because that's the part that I think we could all use help in. Are you scheduled for Red Dot yet? Yeah, I'm going to go speak at Red Dot on the, I think March 22nd. And the whole focus of that is, as I'm going to be talking to trainers and training them on sales skills or on effective communication, because that just in my experience, you can teach trainers,

Starting point is 00:29:41 training techniques, you can teach them diet techniques, you can teach them new exercises techniques, you can teach them diet techniques, you can teach them new exercises, and all these great things. But the biggest impact that trainers make is when they learn how to really communicate the most basic ideas, but communicate them in ways that are really effective. And that's also, you know, what sales skills are. So if you do them right and you really do a good job, you can get people to modify their behaviors in effective ways. Now, as RedDoc, going gonna open their doors up to allow others

Starting point is 00:30:07 to come in, do you know? He's gonna be advertising it. Oh he is. Oh shit. So I think it'll be, I think it'll be open, but now that we're seeing on the podcast, I'm pretty sure he'll get a lot of a huge response. Well, that would be my recommendation

Starting point is 00:30:17 if you're somebody listening right now and you're local or even if you're not local, I guess if you wanna come in for that, I mean, it's definitely valuable to spend time with you. It's RedD Dot Fitness, yeah. Yeah, DM them. They're, I think they're Red, Red underscore, dot underscore fitness, is that what the actual, I think they're handless.

Starting point is 00:30:32 I'll look right now, but yeah, I mean, it's fun, you know, it's fun for me because yeah, it's Red underscore dot underscore fitness and dot spell DOT. I, you know, it's fun for me because when I talk to other people who are in fitness, the feedback that I get is, we don't get lots of feedback like that through podcasting,

Starting point is 00:30:54 you know, through sitting down and talking to people, actually training people. And talking to other people helps me also organize my ideas and my thoughts. And so it helps me deliver what I want to deliver on the podcast even better because I was just talking to a bunch of people live and personally getting a lot of questions and stuff.

Starting point is 00:31:11 But it's also, it's a passion, dude. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, no, I just enjoy doing it. That selfish for me to be honest, it's really is because I felt fulfilled from it. It's like, here I am doing something where I'm giving my time or giving my information, but there's something about knowing that the two

Starting point is 00:31:31 I'm talking to are other leaders in their space and they're gonna go impact 10 people underneath them who then are impacting all the consumers that are coming through the gym. So, you know, even though it's only two people, I know that those two people are greatly impacting that community. And that feels really good, especially when I know that I'm breaking through. Like, when I'm saying things that they're going like, holy shit, like I was taught

Starting point is 00:31:54 the opposite of that, or I was told this, or I didn't even think of that, or wow, that's fuck, I can't wait to apply that. Like, you're getting feedback like that. I'm like, fuck, I'm, that's cool, you know, like, so even though I'm no longer the guy anymore when I go in there and I'm used to that feeling I can still be someone who can impact it positively which is a really cool feeling and it's there's a little bit of selfish motivation behind because I really don't have the fucking time to be doing this but I tell you what man it it was very fulfilling to do that I mean shit it was great to reconnect with somebody who I I have a strong relationship with like Thomas Kubota and I have a lot of respect for, by the way, do you guys want to have Mike Tyson on the show?

Starting point is 00:32:31 Uh, yeah. So he, uh, he, he, hold on a second. How the fuck what? Yeah, he's got, he, he, he offered to me, he said, uh, so I'm calling you out, Thomas, if you're listening right now. So I hope you weren't blowing smoke. Yeah, see it happen. Yeah, no, he's he's really good friends. He coaches a baseball league with his best friend. So he knows him really well. And so he's like, yeah, no, I can absolutely reach out to him and see if you will see what happens. Right, right. For our audience is like, when's the mic? I don't worry. I'll give Thomas the social up so they can fucking with everybody. I'm putting the pressure on him right now.

Starting point is 00:33:07 There you go. Let's go. Thomas balls in your court, buddy. That would be fucking awesome. Yeah, he literally just text me that right now. Wow. No, no, trainers are the ones working with people. There's a lot of researchers out there.

Starting point is 00:33:19 There's a lot of doctors and PhDs and people who talk about the latest research on nutrition about the latest research on nutrition and the latest research on exercise, and here's what we think needs to happen. Here's the other things that we think need to happen. But you talk to a trainer who's been training people for five, 10, 15 years, and they'll tell you exactly what has worked

Starting point is 00:33:39 and what's worked is that individualized coaching, is that understanding people, and it is understanding how to communicate to people. And so that's why those are my favorite people to talk to. They always will be. So anyway, I was wanna tell you guys that yesterday I had my daughter try the Organifi Green Juice. For the first time?

Starting point is 00:33:56 Yeah, she tried it for the first time. Oh, I didn't actually like it. Yeah, so, yes, she actually did. So at first she didn't want it because it's green. Yeah, you know? it's like my dad. Yeah, it's easy like that too. It's so resistant at first, you know. Yeah, green ew.

Starting point is 00:34:12 No, no, so I'm serious. So she's kind of getting into why the, why she eats certain things and what they provide her. So I thought this was a good opportunity to, so I mixed it up and I said, well, this is, it's a, you know, it's a powder drink, it's, you know powder drink, it's dried super food vegetables or whatever, spirulina, chlorella, all that stuff, and I kind of explained it to her.

Starting point is 00:34:31 And I said, and then they also made it kind of taste kind of good. So you'll probably feel energy from drinking this and she got all excited, so she tasted it. And she's like, it's not bad. I'm like, yeah, win. You know, it's still my favorite. Dude, that minty aftertaste is awesome. Yeah, it actually feels really good.

Starting point is 00:34:48 So have you combined it with the pure? No, I've combined the pure with the red for the pre-workout stuff. Oh yeah, that's gotta be pretty good. Forget his name who suggested that to me, but he's like, oh, I'm talking about I like combining their shit. I mean, I like taking their stuff and mixing it up.

Starting point is 00:35:05 It's a nice little experiment. See what happens. Yeah, just a cool $50 drink, nobody goes. One, sir. It's one serving. It's one serving. No, but performance-based. I haven't done that.

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Starting point is 00:35:48 Alright, a first question is from Chris Lima's 94. When doing full body splits and feeling overtrained on a certain muscle group, yet getting stronger on other body parts, should you de-load the whole body or only the body parts that feel overtrained? Okay, hold on, I gotta reread this. So basically what he's saying is when you're working out your body and some of your body parts are progressing but some of them feel over-trained.

Starting point is 00:36:11 Like let's say my biceps are just feeling really fatigued they don't seem to be improving, I feel like I'm doing too much. But all the other body parts are doing great. Should you de-load everything or g-st-de-load the area that you feel like it's being overworked. I think it's a really good question. It's an interesting question. And I don't know if I've ever been hit with that question like that. And I'm trying to use your your analogy where let's give it give me an example where you may have seen this with a client where they've said

Starting point is 00:36:38 this to you like hey I felt this for a while. So give me let me hear your example so I can then better give an answer. Yeah, so I felt this before where like, I'll be training a particular way and my pressing movements are feeling good, pulling movements are feeling good, but I feel like I've done too many deadlifts and my low back is feeling a little bit over fatigued. So then what I'll typically do is back off on the deadlifts but I won't back off on the other exercises,

Starting point is 00:37:05 versus should you to de-load everything, in other words. And it is a good question because- Okay, so then yeah, and I think that's the answer, is exactly what you said, is I would definitely wouldn't, if I'm only feeling fatigued in one part of my body, there really is either one, I'm probably doing too much of something like deadlifting because that is a good example.

Starting point is 00:37:28 I think you just back off of that movement that's probably causing you to feel this way, your low back being fatigued, or because I can't give any other example than that. But we know your biceps going to be fatigued and it's not like if you're rowing, couldn't you? like your, we know your biceps gonna be fatigued and it not like if you're rowing, couldn't you correctly? Like, you can definitely overwork one part of your body and the other areas improve. However, there is a systemic effect too. So, and the bigger the muscle group,

Starting point is 00:37:54 the more the systemic effect probably takes place. So like if I overwork my legs, it's probably gonna influence the rest of my body more than if I overwork, let's say my forearm flexors, for example. So I think that the logical thing to do would be to de-load the area that feels like it's over being overdone. And the way I de-load it first is reduce the intensity.

Starting point is 00:38:17 I typically don't... Or just or pull out the exercises that are probably causing that much damage. The only time I've ever feel like this is your example of, and this has definitely happened to me where I know that I'm squatting too much, or I know that I'm deadlifting too much. My knees start to get achy, or I feel like I'm not really progressing strengthwise. My squat, in fact, there's times where I'll feel this, where week over week over week I was feeling stronger, stronger, stronger than all of a sudden I hit kind of a plateau and maybe even see a decrease in weight and see myself in a

Starting point is 00:38:47 weaker. That's normally a sign to me that I'm overdoing. It's time to de-load. And that's where I would, yeah, I guess I've had that with bench press too, where I feel my shoulder really like talking to me and I'm like, I, and between that and then all the other shoulder pressing moves, you know, in combination with that, it was like the volume of it was really increased where I was like, okay, I need to like extract some of these. So then what would you do? What would you do? Just pull one extra one.

Starting point is 00:39:11 Yeah, one or two major one. Major, major, major. Yeah, right. That's what I would do, too. I pick one offender that's probably cause, that's most likely causing this. Yeah. I wouldn't avoid all movements, you know, in that, in that particular muscle. But if you put, if it's a big body part

Starting point is 00:39:25 and you push it too hard, then you may need to deal with the whole body, but that's not as common. But here's something interesting. So I just read, I can't remember where it was. I just read a study where they were determining the recovery ability, the general recovery ability of individual body parts, and they were ranking them.

Starting point is 00:39:43 Oh, right, I mean, yeah. So like which body parts require the most rest? Which body parts can handle the most frequent load or the most work? So I said, core and cast. So it was a lower body and then core were the ones that you could work the most. The most, you recovered the fast.

Starting point is 00:40:00 Yes, and then it was like chest and back and stuff that required the most amount of rest. Now I found this fascinating. And it kind of feeds into the old, you know, I guess, like work your core every day. Yeah, bodybuilder mythology where they're like, oh, calves need to be here every day. Hit your core every day.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Legs can be worked out more frequently, but you need to work these areas a little less frequently. And the speculation was, are these body parts inherently different? Is it that your legs and calves are built different and they need more work? Or is it that you just use them all the time? Yeah, that's what I think.

Starting point is 00:40:33 I think they're just involved with like every movement. Yeah, I can tell you know, it's like, it has to recover, but like your body prioritizes the recovery. Yeah, because I think if you take the average person, the average person at least walks. So they're, you know, people don't walk on their hands. Yeah, because I think if you take the average person, the average person at least walks, so they're, you know, people don't walk on their hands. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:48 So their calves can probably take more work than the rest of their body. So I mean, that kind of applies, I guess, to this question, where some body parts just aren't going to be able to handle the load or the training or the intensity that other body parts are going to be able to handle. And so just scale those particular areas back and then see how you feel. Have you guys noticed areas of your body that you can just be able to handle way more than others?

Starting point is 00:41:13 Yeah, my buys and tries. Anything that's incorporated in my arms, and I train that for so many years, I think to handle that much volume and tensi, that now it's almost impossible. Matter of fact, it was used to be really difficult for me to even get a pump in them because how much I over did them. I've actually had to lay off for many years

Starting point is 00:41:32 just so I could feel them again, but I used to be able to just hammer my buys and tries for an hour and a half and walk out the gym and be the next day I could get them again if I wanted to. That, I think, is important to think about is like the things that you've neglected the most are probably the most sensitive to feel over trained and over done, the things that you have built that intensity,

Starting point is 00:41:55 built that volume up over years are probably gonna be able to handle a beating or like you said, you guys referenced the walking, like your things like calves and she'll like that tend to be able to handle a lot more. Next question is from sd ward 92. How frequently should you work on correctional repaturning movements like in maps prime pro once a day each movement twice or for time? Okay, so correctional exercises are best done very frequently as possible. Yeah, with with with a low load and lower intensity.

Starting point is 00:42:27 And the reason, here's the reason why. So if you're trying to build muscle, you want to use a certain load and certain intensity. It's usually a high load and high intensity, because that's what tends to work the best for muscle growth. But when we're trying to change a movement pattern, we're not trying to build muscle. We're trying to change a movement pattern, we're not trying to build muscle. We're trying to change how your body literally fires muscles and relaxes other muscles.

Starting point is 00:42:51 And it's called a recruitment pattern. And what you're trying to do is you're trying to change that. And if you add too much load or too much intensity to that, you're going to revert to the pattern that you do all the time. So it's like, imagine if you're trying to run a new way, you get a running coach and the running coach says, okay, here's changes about the way you strike your foot, changes about the way you run. And so now you're practicing, you're practicing, but oh fuck, there's a bear chasing me now.

Starting point is 00:43:17 So now I gotta run real fast. You're gonna go back to the way you know how to run best. The other example I like to give is using a tie-priter. If you know how to type just two fingers and I'm teaching you with all of your fingers and then I'd say hey type as fast you can it'll give you a thousand bucks. You until you've learned how to do it really really well with all your fingers you're gonna have to go back to the two fingers because that's the fastest way you know how to do it. So when it comes to correctional exercise it's got to be done a lot but it's also got to be done kind of at a

Starting point is 00:43:44 lower intensity because too heavy or too hard and it just goes back. Yeah, it's interesting going through the coaching process of sports and like paint attention to all these little nuances, like wrist position, you know, how they're incorporating loading of the back foot and driving of the hips and all these things are have to have to add up and line up in sequence for it to produce the best result and I mean this is no different than that like we're we're we need to refine that process and that takes a lot of practice and so just Just honing in on that particular movement and really paying attention to it and being present in it is gonna be like the determination of whether or not it's gonna stick

Starting point is 00:44:33 because your body already has a way that it's like this is the most effective way to do this. And so we're fighting that natural tendency. And so it just takes repetitive, repetitive practice to then build it into the subconscious where now this is the new operating system. Yeah, it's tough. I used to tell clients to do correctional extras. I would give them a few and the problem with this is it's tough.

Starting point is 00:44:56 When I train people, they come in, they'd work out with me for an hour. That wasn't hard because they were there and they showed up. The hard part was, okay, here's your homework. Like go do this on your own. And so what I found to be the most effective is I would do correctional exercise with them at a bit higher intensity because I could watch them and kind of force them into position.

Starting point is 00:45:14 Then I would give them like one or two movements because I'd wanna give them five, but there's no way they're gonna do them all the time. So I'd say here's your one or two movements. And then what I wanted to do is why you're sitting at your desk every other hour, just do five reps of this movement right here, just and really connect to it.

Starting point is 00:45:32 And I'd have them do it all day long every day. I had the best success, you know, doing it that way. Yeah, and to find opportunities to include it is everything. So the first thing in the morning, you know, like before I get in the shower, like there's certain mobility moves I'll do. And, you know, I'm struggling with some pain right now. So I'm like, every opportunity I have where I'm sitting and listening to somebody and it's not like a really weird

Starting point is 00:45:58 awkward thing for me to like, plop into a 90, 90 or whatever, I'm gonna do it. You know, I'm like watching TV, I'm just gonna do it. Like I just, I think of that as like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm Yeah, I do like short foot and foot exercises that we learn from brink. And I just do them throughout the day, you know, like sitting here while we're podcasting and I'll start doing it on my foot.

Starting point is 00:46:32 Like, you know, while I'm writing, I'll do it on my foot or if I'm watching TV. And that's been the most effective way I've done it. Before my belief was that, oh, you do, you gotta do dedicated hour of correctional exercise twice a week. And it just did not work nearly as much. It has to be something that overrides your old habit, and then it's gotta turn into something,

Starting point is 00:46:55 you don't, you use subconscious, that's perfect. It has to turn into something you don't think about anymore. Like, when people are like, oh, good posture, okay, I'm just gonna try and stand up with good posture all day long. That's impossible. You don't wanna have to think about your posture all day long. I'm not stressful, that is. You imagine every time you stand,

Starting point is 00:47:12 you have to think about what you're doing with your posture. We wanna get you the point where your good posture is natural. That's just how you stand. Or when you're squatting down, that's just how you squat. That is your new default pattern. And that just requires lots of practice over and over.

Starting point is 00:47:28 I know, Adam, when you were working on your squat, you would just sit in it throughout the day. I might see you would do it all the time. Yeah, no, that's been, and now it's the control position. I know everyone's, was commenting on that last photo that we took of all of us in the group, but like it's now a comfortable spot. If I need to, if I need to kneel or get down,

Starting point is 00:47:46 I'll get in a squat first, which that was never like that before. It took the time of having to create the habit and actually do all the work. And this is, I like to focus on one joint at a time. So, for me, I worked the ankle first, then I went to the hip and then I started focusing on my shoulders. So, I like Sal, I've had the most success with clients

Starting point is 00:48:09 with one thing. Literally, I want to create, for me, it was a combat stretch, which, and why I like one thing, because it's so fucking tedious in itself, and that's why I think a lot of people don't do it, but it was probably one of the most impactful stretches that I ever did to improve my ankle mobility, which was the combat stretch.

Starting point is 00:48:29 And so it was like, it was all about the combat stretch. So every single time that I went to the gym, I for sure did it before I got started. If I was good, I was also doing it after I finished my workout and then one to two times throughout the day, I'd be doing it. And then it would just get to a point where I was doing it so much

Starting point is 00:48:46 that now I could get down in the squatted position and I could kind of do a combat stretch in a squatted position. Because all it really is is you driving your knees forward. So I can do that intrinsically, pushing my knees forward over my toes till I feel that limit to where it can't anymore. And then I just lift both toes up.

Starting point is 00:49:04 So I've now learned to combine a lot of the mobility drills that I had to do by them, isolate and do by themself multiple times per day to get that new found range of motion. Now that I have there, I just, just to stay connected, I can kind of combine all of them. So you see on my Instagram, not that long ago, I posted the squatted kind of reverse fly move that I do, which I'm priming and working on my thoracic mobility and my shoulders there.

Starting point is 00:49:34 But I'm also keeping my good ankle mobility because you can't see it, but I'm also lifting my toes up towards my shins and I'm upright, and I'm tucking my chin back. So I'm actually doing one move that's kind of just keeping good mobility in all these other joints, but I had to get there. I had to isolate one and do it as much as I possibly can, because like you said, Sal, it's like, you're trying to combat not just some bad patterns,

Starting point is 00:50:04 but bad patterns that you've been doing for probably years. And so, you know, five times for three weeks is not enough. You know, this is something that you've got to fuckin' drill in and it's gotta be, like you said, second nature. And then once I see progress in that joint, I'm moving to the next one and then now I'm just about

Starting point is 00:50:23 trying to keep it all up. Think about it this way, it's like learning a new language. The most of anybody will tell you the most effective way to learn a new language is to immerse yourself in that language and live in the place that speaks that language. You learn it real quick because you practice it so often. So that's the most effective way I would say, but of course you have to be pragmatic. So for pragmatism's sake, I would say do the correctional or repraterning movements, at least twice a day, spend 10 minutes twice a day, even better would be three

Starting point is 00:50:52 or four times a day. Next question is from Kray Manley. You guys talk about how running should be practiced like a sport. How would you go about practicing the skill of running? I would say slowly. You know, you gotta start really, really slow. I, here's the thing, ideally, I mean, I'm gonna talk about generals here, but this is so different from person to person,

Starting point is 00:51:15 that if you really wanna be a, if you really wanna run, okay, if you're an adult, and you really wanna run for a workout, and you wanna develop a, you know, a long habit of running, and enjoy the benefits that come from running and the skill of running. The best, absolutely best thing you could do is hire a actual coach that specializes in running and literally tell them, hey look, I haven't run a long time, I'm not a runner, I want to be able to run for a workout, but I'm not hiring you to do a workout, I want you to teach me how to run properly in a way that I'll be able to do for a long time without injury. That's the absolute best thing you could do. Now, generally speaking, for most people, I would say don't run to fatigue, that's number one. So you want to run, as you

Starting point is 00:52:04 start to get a little tired, stop, because that's just going to throw your formal off. Focus on running well by watching videos and reading books on it. And do an adequate amount of priming before you go out and run. So before you go out and run, it's like part of your warm up. Prime your ankles, prime your hips, prime your core, maybe even your thoracic because believe it or not, running can encourage forward children a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:52:31 And then go out and do it real slow and practice, practice the skill of it. You start to get tired, stop for a second, catch a breath and try it again and give yourself a lot of time. Give yourself a lot of time to get better at it. Yeah, the coaching part is very important. I think that having other eyes assess, your gate assess like your ankle mobility assess,

Starting point is 00:52:55 you know, the way that your spinal alignment and everything else is set up in terms of like, the prerequisites, you know know before we get into the actual training for running. Just to get you in a good place where now I can, this repetitive stress, which is really what running is, like it's just this repetitive stress and this same mechanical movement that we're trying to refine as you go through the practicing part of it. To really set yourself up for it, it really is going to require somebody to sort of break down and look and see

Starting point is 00:53:33 where these potential deficiencies may lie. I really highly suggest you get a good assessment to make sure that as you're striking the ground and all these pressure points and all these, the pressure points and all these things are lining up and stacking up in a favorable way, where if it's a long term, in terms of endurance, is that your goal?

Starting point is 00:53:55 Do you wanna be a good sprinter? What particular event or what's like drawing you in towards running? Like what's the motivation there? I think that's gonna be a big determiner for me, even as a coach to try and get you running for that particular way the best. Yeah, right now, if you want to,

Starting point is 00:54:16 like let's say you wanna start running and you go to like a running store, that sells really good running shoes. What they'll do is they'll have you run, they'll watch how you run, and then this is what they do. I would tell you some insights.

Starting point is 00:54:27 Yeah, be careful of this. Yes, and this is fascinating. And it works in the short term, right? They'll watch you run and be like, oh, and they're smart at this. And they do identify running patterns, and they'll say, okay, you have your feet pronate, meaning they both turn in, or your feet supinate, or your toes turned this way or whatever. I have the perfect shoe for you, and then what the shoe is designed to do

Starting point is 00:54:48 is offset and almost set up a crutch. So if your feet pronate, it's gonna have a strong, you know, aspect in it to prevent that from happening. And then you'll run in these shoes that are designed for your dysfunction, and you'll be like, whoa, I feel so much better running, but it's really not fixing the problem. It's masking it.

Starting point is 00:55:06 Prime your body, learn the mechanics, stop before fatigue. It's the same process I'm going through swimming right now. Get me sure my body is primed in a good position before I get in there and I swim. I've learned the mechanics now. I've been watching tons and tons of tutorials and picking up on the areas that I would, what I was doing poorly.

Starting point is 00:55:25 When I get in there and I start doing, 25, 50 meters at a time, anytime I get beyond 50 meters, except for at the very beginning when I have a lot more gas, but as soon as I start getting beyond 50 meters, I start to notice the form breakdown. My legs start to drag a little bit. My head has to roll back more to get air.

Starting point is 00:55:42 I start slamming my arms into the water. I could still keep going. But as soon as I feel that, I stop. Because I'm trying to perfect my mechanics right now. If I'm really gonna, and I'm approaching swimming the same way that I would think you should approach running is learn the mechanics, understand what good mechanics look like, whether that be hiring a coach and our shit, there's probably great YouTube tutorials

Starting point is 00:56:04 just like I found for swimming, you know, that you could learn and study. Which I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, a coach or a ship, there's probably great YouTube tutorials, just like I found for swimming, you know, that you could learn and study. And I film yourself, which, right. So I've done all this stuff and I've now started to pick apart my mechanics. So either, and there's a handful of things like I just talked about, my legs start to drag. I rotate my head up for more air when I'm, when I'm starting to get fatigued, my arms, I start slamming them in the water. So I start doing these little things, right, I'm starting to get fatigued. My arms, I start slamming them in the water. So I start doing these little things

Starting point is 00:56:28 right as I start to get fatigued. And like I said, I could keep going for another easy 50, 100 meters, but I stopped there. I stopped, I gather myself, I let my heart rate come all the way back down, because I'm not trying to just build endurance. I wanna create good mechanics. And so I care more about that than telling somebody

Starting point is 00:56:45 Oh, I just did a thousand meters straight like well, I could do that It would be ugly and awful and I would also start teaching myself bad habits where I don't want to do that So running would be the same thing learn the mechanics Understand what good running looks like and Prime the body before you get in it and don't push yourself beyond fatigue. Next question is from Jay David Sousa. Tips on being an authentic influencer and how to spot the fake ones. Oh man.

Starting point is 00:57:12 How much do you hate, you guys hate that term, Influencer. Influencer, yes. It's the worst. I think so. I think what we're kind of in the middle of an influencer bubble, because social media has allowed so many people

Starting point is 00:57:27 to build a business and grow a platform. Well, it's really the new celebrity. If you wanna throw a term out there, it's like the same shit. Well, I think it gets more competitive. It may change a little bit. Right now we're seeing kind of this bubble of, you know, like become an influencer,

Starting point is 00:57:41 learn how to influence people. This is what you wanna do or whatever to say you build your business. As far as it being authentic, I mean, the only tip I can give to be authentic is to actually be authentic. I don't know how else to answer that. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:57:55 How do you spot the ones that are not? I think that's the question is, how do you spot the fake ones? The ones that are not really authentic. How can you differentiate mind-punk from so and so who claims to be this authentic person, but isn't really. It's a hard thing to do. I mean, it's like porn.

Starting point is 00:58:13 Like you know what, when you see that, I know. You know what I'm saying? I know a fake when I see one. You never heard that term? I think it was a Supreme Court case where they were talking about pornography and how do you label it? What's porn, what's art, whatever. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:26 And they said, well, I just know it when I see it. You know what I'm saying? So psychically. You know, like I know there's a lot of, look, I can be obvious. Like I can say, oh, the lighting was a little better. I can say all the fitness influencers that, and I'll stick to fitness because that's my expertise

Starting point is 00:58:39 or whatever, but, you know, people who don't know what they're talking about, people who post lots of pictures of their butt to get lots of likes, people who change their message to move along with the fads. You know, I could say all that kind of stuff. I think a good one is measure the value that they're adding to your life. You know, if you are, and you have to ask yourself yourself this if you're following a quote-unquote influencer and you really ask yourself what is it you like best about this person?

Starting point is 00:59:11 What is it because they do funny shit on their Instagram or they do cool impressive shit or they drive cool cars and That's is what's driving you to their thing ask yourself if that's really things that add value to your life Maybe it does. I don't know. But to me, if that's the things that you are, if you're trying to decipher whether these are fake ones or not, I mean everyone's real, right? And if people are going and buying things because of them, they're all influencers, right? They're not fake, they're just as real as we are. The difference is they use gimmicks and bullshit to persuade you to try and buy

Starting point is 00:59:46 things. And you know, the only way I would be able to tell is how are they doing that? Are they doing that through, you know, showing you cool shit that has nothing to do with the value they're trying to add in your life? Like I think that's the best way to separate who maybe you should or should not be following. But that's going to be different for every maybe you should or should not be following, but that's gonna be different for every person. That's tough, dude, because I mean, there's times that you see people like virtue signaling

Starting point is 01:00:12 and things like they say things that they know, oh, it's gonna buy my empathy, or like I'm like, oh wow, like yeah, he's so real, but it's all planned. But it's all planned. So it's a tough question to answer if you don't apply critical thinking towards all these. Like exactly, so if they are applying value in your life, but also that they're willing to,

Starting point is 01:00:40 I don't know, like a connect, like I hate to say real, but like you just feel, it feels like they really care and they're passionate with the subject matter. Yeah, there's an old saying, I think, in advertising where it's like donate, you know, $10,000 to a charity and spend $100,000 letting everybody know that you did that.

Starting point is 01:01:01 That's the virtue signaling. Exactly. And you do see a lot of that in social like, oh today, it's a picture of myself or whatever. Today, I had a great day. I actually helped all these people and I helped this person do this. And I just wanted to talk about how I helped all these people.

Starting point is 01:01:15 Or, hey, today I'd like to talk about, there's a lot of that right now. That's why I bring that up. Yeah, I'm trying to not have a big ego. So let me tell you about how small my ego is and how it all I am. And here's my post and please like it, type of deal. That kind of stuff, it comes across as the kind of fake stuff.

Starting point is 01:01:30 But at the same time, we use these platforms to promote ourselves. Right. And we're trying to talk a lot of businesses. And at the same time, as consumers, we're following and we're buying. Yeah. So are they not real?

Starting point is 01:01:43 I mean, they're influencing people. So we're all doing the dance. It's kind of more like what's your flavor? You know, if you're still, and some people don't give a fuck about the superficial side shit. Like, I mean, they're there. I follow some Instagram accounts

Starting point is 01:01:57 that I am not allowing them to influence any part of my life, but they post cool pictures. They got cool pictures of bulldogs, or they snowboard, or they got dope ass cars, they got their enda watches. Shooting guns with the wheels, aren't they? But I most certainly, I'm not taking advice, or I'm not allowing them to influence me

Starting point is 01:02:15 in the things that I do. But I think there's nothing wrong with following people, because you like some of that cool shit. And I don't think it's a matter of deciphering whether somebody is a fake influence or a real influencer. I think if they have a following and people are going and doing things because they do

Starting point is 01:02:29 them or they say them, they're a fucking influencer. I was having a conversation the other day with a potential guest that we may have on the show. And I don't want to talk too much about him because I want to leave it for the episode. But we were talking about how this age that we're were in media, social media and technology. And what he's saying is that in his generation, these are younger people, there seems to be this huge movement of people who are trying to unplug more and start to abstain from using social media, or at least start to put parameters and limits on it because they're

Starting point is 01:03:01 finding it's becoming all-consuming. And one of the things he said is he says, you know, ask yourself, there's nothing wrong with using media and there's nothing wrong with listening to certain people's advice and stuff, but when you're on social media, ask yourself if what you're doing is constructive and helpful to you or if you're just wasting time.

Starting point is 01:03:20 That's the biggest thing. Like, am I on here just kind of bullshit and because then that can become addictive or I'm on here because I'm getting information or I'm trying to run my business or I'm trying to figure something out because it's a powerful tool. I thought that was an interesting conversation,

Starting point is 01:03:34 interesting thing to think about. Well, something that I like that feels the most authentic and real to me. Cause I'll be honest, like, even Instagram and itself doesn't feel fully authentic and real to me because I grew up most of my life without social media and I've always been a, be honest, like even Instagram and itself doesn't feel fully authentic and real to me because I grew up most of my life without social media and I've always been a, I mean, I used to

Starting point is 01:03:50 tease my friends that were big into Facebook when Facebook came on and said, like, I don't need Facebook, I have real friends in real life. And that was kind of my comeback to why I made fun of myself. Right. Why I was on it. I mean, I've evolved from that and I believe there's a lot of value in it, but at the same time too, there's some parts of it that I feel like, you know, I try and present things that represent the stuff that I'm into and who I am. So if you're somebody, the way I look at it from a business perspective,

Starting point is 01:04:14 if you're dropping into my page and you scroll through it, at first glance, I feel like if you read the captions, you look at the photos I have, you get kind of an idea who I am. I'm sarcastic, I'm kind of an asshole sometimes, I say, whitty shit. I talk a little bit about fitness. You know I'm into working out and helping people. I'm into business type stuff. I love bulldogs. I like to snowboard. I feel like it's a business card or a representation of who I am, but it doesn't feel super real and authentic. The most real and authentic part, I feel on the social media platforms is either this one right here that we're doing right now on the podcast because it's long form and not

Starting point is 01:04:50 scripted or when I do the Q&As with people where they drive the content. They ask the question and I just respond the way I would react, which sometimes is a smart ass response, sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's deep, sometimes it's fucking whatever, or I don't fucking know the answer. That's me, that's like what you get when you deal with me. I think that's as authentic as I have ever felt on this on these platforms. It's a luring to chase the likes,

Starting point is 01:05:14 you know, on the pictures and the approval. And I think that sometimes directs people in a way that is not authentic to themselves. You know what I'm saying? Like, somebody notices, oh, if I post a picture of myself flexing or whatever, or my shirt off, I get lots of likes and that encourages them to do that more. And when in real life, this person would never do that.

Starting point is 01:05:33 I was this example. I used to tell you guys this, when we were first building this, and it served its purpose to take the selfie, me or selfies. And I thought I've added a lot of value for people as far as showing them what I looked like, showing what I did, carbs, protein fat, this and that. But it required me to be in front of the mirror,

Starting point is 01:05:53 not only looking at myself, but posing and taking a picture. That could not be further away from who the fuck I really am. Like I didn't, and I never cared about body building or anything like that stuff. So when I first was building the Instagram and obviously every other post is that,

Starting point is 01:06:06 if you're a person who drops into my page then, you think on this self-absorbed asshole who's into his body, sure he knows this stuff about fucking working out and stuff like that, but you get this kind of perception of me that I don't think is a good, isn't really good. I'm not sure. Yeah, accurate perception of who I really am,

Starting point is 01:06:23 where I feel like my Instagram is more really who I don't chase likes I don't try and drive traffic anymore on that I just post occasionally when I have time and I normally post things that I think represent my life What you see me doing or what I'm into and I try and be as as real and authentic as I possibly can but originally I wasn't I was chasing follows and I was chasing likes and that was working. And I remember it ate away at me. It ate away at me because when we transitioned in the podcast, you know, and that's why

Starting point is 01:06:51 I feel sorry for a lot of these people that I'm not impressed if you've got millions of followers and you're having to do things that aren't really you every single day to get there because I know what's inevitable. I know that eventually that wears and breaks you down. I know eventually it causes all kinds of anxiety and depression and you fucking end up quitting or you can't live with yourself over or you're taking a bunch of pills to suppress

Starting point is 01:07:13 it. And I've seen a ton of this. So you want to be yourself. You want to be as real as you possibly can be because even if it's working for you right now to get a lot of likes and follows, if sooner or later that shit comes down. It does. And the irony is from a business perspective, if you have 5,000 actual real followers who really connect with the authentic you, that is from a business perspective worth more than 50,000 lucky lose who have no idea who you really are and just following this fake facade. And it's very very true

Starting point is 01:07:46 I know lots of people with huge Followings can't get can barely turn it into a $10,000 a year business because if they've built this this whole persona That provides no real value. So if that said make sure and follow me on Instagram at mine pump Justin You know just go do that. Yeah, you can find me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam. Also, if you go to Mind Pump Free.com, you can check out some of our guides,

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