Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 983: P.volve Review, the Dangers of Foam Rolling, Low Carb Bulking Pros & Cons & MORE

Episode Date: March 8, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mapsfitnessproducts.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the pros and cons of low carb bulking, the new T-Nation article on foam rolling, the P.volve trend and diets based off of DNA tests.  How the guys have been obsessed with muscle since they were kids. (3:52) Age of the autosexual: the people sexually attracted to themselves. (9:45) Mind Pump recommends Dawn Wall on Prime Video. The exciting factors of human psychology. (14:12) How Vuori is crushing the ‘athleisure’ market + the risk you take attaching yourself to brands you don’t know a whole lot about. (19:51) Must listen: Alex Jones on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. Mind Pump goes down the third rail on conspiracy theories. (30:36) Giants CEO Larry Baer takes leave of absence in light of taped scuffle with his wife. (37:05) Pre-sale alert! Organifi ‘immunity’. (42:01) Update on Adam’s swimming protocol + Catrina’s training while being pregnant. (44:37) #Quah question #1 – What are the pros and cons of low carb bulking? (53:38) #Quah question #2 – Did you guys see the new T-Nation article on how foam rolling destroys cells in the body? (1:04:30) #Quah question #3 – Can you talk about this P.volve trend? (1:15:58) #Quah question #4 – What do you think of diets based off of DNA tests? (1:22:43) People Mentioned: Coach Danny Matranga | CSCS (@danny.matranga)  Instagram Steve Cook (@stevecook)  Instagram Paige Hathaway (@paigehathaway)  Instagram Taylor (@tayvalenz)  Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram Products Mentioned: March Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic is ½ off!! **Code “BLACK50” at checkout** Vuori Clothing **25% off** Organifi **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** Age of the autosexual: the people sexually attracted to themselves Amazon.com: Watch The Dawn Wall | Prime Video Free Solo on iTunes Vuori CEO Is Betting That Athleisure Is Here to Stay on Cheddar Gymshark | Official Store Joe Rogan Experience #1255 - Alex Jones Returns! Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia Giants CEO Larry Baer takes leave of absence in light of taped scuffle with wife What's the Best Diet for BULKING? - Mind Pump Mind Pump Episode 721: The Best Way to Bulk, Contaminated Protein Powders, Incorporating Big Lift Variations into Your Routine & MORE Foam Rolling Gone Wrong – T-Nation Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. M out by talking about auto sexuality. What the hell is that? It's not having sex with your car. Auto bots. Even weirder than that. Then we talked about smooth face and how Adam, Justin and myself all decided to shave our faces. And we didn't even talk about it.

It was really weird. Yeah, baby face. Then I talked about the movie on Netflix, Don Wall, more rock climbing craziness. These people are very driven. We talked about Viori, one of the companies that we work with, this company is blowing up, what's the category of clothing they provide?

At Leisure. At Leisure. It's the best workout clothing that we've ever had on our bodies, and they are one of our sponsors. If you go to VioriClothingVUORIClothing.com for a slash mind pump. You'll get 25% off. Then we talked about Instagram promotion, Pitfalls.

We mentioned Alex Jones on the Joe Rogan podcast. That was a lot of fun. That was crazy, good listen. We talked about declassified government operations. If you wanna get paranoid, listen to that part of the episode. We talked about the CEO of the Giants getting a little rough with his wife and losing his job Yikes, we mentioned organsifies new product you have to pre-order it now It's not out yet, but if you pre-order it you will get it as soon as it comes out the products called immunity

It is designed to boost your immune system and it looks really awesome We haven't tried it yet, but if it's like there are other products. We're gonna love it immune system and it looks really awesome. We haven't tried it yet, but if it's like there are other products, we're gonna love it. If you go to organify.com forward slash mind pump and use the code mind pump, you'll get 20% off. Adam talked about his swimming routine again. We talked about Katrina's pregnancy and her training.

And then we get into the fitness question. Here we go. The first fitness question was, what are the pros and cons of low carb bulking? So if you're trying to gain muscle and gain weight, can you do it with a low carbohydrate diet? If so, is it easier? Is it harder?

What's the scoop? The next question was, there was an article that T Nation just published. Now, we love their website. They've got great articles. And they just publish an article about howation just published. Now we love their website, they've got great articles, and they just publish an article about how foam rolling isn't good for you because it destroys cells in your body.

Do we agree or do we disagree? Find out in that part of this episode. Mm, skeptical hippo. The next question, somebody wanted to know about our opinions on the P-Volve trend. P-Volve, it's a new way to work out. I'm going to give you the the cliff notes. It's bullshit, but find out more. Let's call it D-Volve in that part of the episode. And the final question, we give our opinions on DNA testing diets. In other

words, if you take a DNA test from 23 and me and it tells you you should eat a particular way, should you take that information to heart or should you take it with a grain of salt? Also, this month, Maps aesthetic, the aesthetic focused workout program, the workout program that was based off of bodybuilder training, physique competitor training, bikini competitor training is 50% off. It's half off. All you gotta do is go to mapsfitinistproducts.com, use the code black50black50 for the discount. By the way, map-synthetic is getting revamped and redone

if you enroll now, or if you already a member, if you already have access to map-synthetic, you will get updated for free. Again, mapsfitinProducts.com, use the code black50 for half off, Mapsesthetic, go check it out now. You're watching those YouTube videos of those guys that'll do pranks in different areas.

And there was this one prank where this dude goes in this neighborhood and he starts a fight with pretty nefarious looking people. And as soon as they get up to fight him, he rips off his pants. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He got breakaways. Yeah, yeah. And he's wearing a thong.

Yeah. And they always run away. Yeah, everybody runs away. Nobody ever fights a dude that's just. Is this a secret between the or behind the grapes? What do you mean the grape underwear? Yes. Is this the secret?

Always ready. Yeah. Them grapes. I'll have you know, my underwear are not this the secret? I'm always ready. Yeah. Them great. I'll have you know, my underwear are not thong. They're just speedo. It's just really seran wrap tight. Yeah, they're just speedo. Oh my god, I was watching old home, I was at my parents' house today and my dad hooked

up his old camcorder to the TV. So we were watching chess? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So we were watching chess. Yeah, yeah. So we were watching old videos from when I was maybe 12 or 13 years old and we had visited Italy. And here I am a 12 year old, maybe 12 years old, and I'm on the beach and my dad's filming me with a camera and I start flexing.

This is before I started looking at it. I was already obsessed with like muscle And I'm like trying to flex and you know, I'll do these even things and my shorts were short So I showed you guys there's a little too short. I've got a photo of me when we I'm in how will you even fourth grade? Fourth grade your let's see my daughter's nine and she's in third so 10 11 10 11 Yeah, so there's there's me posing on a coffee table just like this one. Yeah. In my flexing in my red under my red chownies. Nice. Yeah. So that was where you obsessed with like muscle early on. Yes. Yeah. Same. But not like I wasn't like into the like I wasn't

really watching bodybuilding. I know you were reading more and watching more. I started watching bodybuilding later on. It was a I. I was a big fan of Arnold Schwarzenegger because of the movies. So that's just a long one. Yeah, I'm sure you guys both, right? Yeah, that's the thing is I loved action movies and I thought they're all bad-ass, but I didn't really get into muscles

until probably later in junior high where I realized that I was wearing a t-shirt underneath my tank tops because like my arms were like just sticks. You know, and then that bothered me after a while. I was like, I started seeing everybody else didn't have the undershirt. Try this.

And then I started building up my muscles. Give them the move, give them the moves out. No, no, no, no, no, no, try this, sir. Try this move. He's like, go to the bathroom, do 50 pushups. No, no, try this out. Look at an old picture of yourself, when you were a kid, when you thought you were so skinny,

you weren't that bad. You weren't that bad, I marked my words. I saw the video myself when I was 12 is before I started lifting weights. And I was so insecure about being skinny and I'm watching it and I'm like, I'm like, I'm just a normal, like most 12 year old boys are fucking skinny. Yeah, I don't know, I'm like, I'm just a normal, like most 12 year old boys

are fucking skinny. Yeah. I don't know. I can't, I don't know if I can get on board with you on that one. I was abnormally skinny. Like you, I, my ribs, you could see them. We need to bring pictures. I'll bring some pictures. Yeah.

But 12 year old, 11, 12, 13 year old boys, that's what they look like. Yeah, but what, what I will agree with you is the difference between me and then what we thought were like buff kids was probably 10 pounds, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, right. And he was just shorter, right? So he was shorter, weighed a few more pounds, and so he looked like he was so much.

So I think your, I think the spectrum is much smaller. Did you guys ever used to draw yourself in class? Like you draw yourself? I used to draw myself all the time with having like, you guys, you were a narcissist even when you were in line. And tattoos and everything on yourself. What else did you draw a lot of just-

Just a lot of fine ones, just like that movie. You did. You did. You drew a lot of dicks. And I drew a lot of Mario Brothers. Like Mario Brothers being like Rambo And they would like blow each other up and I don't know why so we need to break this down psychologically Mario huge video game. We were kids huge you're obsessed. I was obsessed obsessed hundred percent with Mario brother

Yeah, there was an obsession Many drew pictures of himself, buffed with testing. And then it did do with you. He wants to be, just because they're talented. He wants to be, you know, muscular, strong. Right. Penises. Cross.

What does this tell us? It's just a lot of obsessions. Meanwhile, the guy who worships Arnold and these, these body builders has posters in their room and. Not their penises, though. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No pictures of chicks. No, dudes.

Well, Sal's doesn't grow out of the white-beater layers, which is what I used to do when I was a kid. I also drew titties, but... When I was a kid, we used to do just a white. We used to do the white-beater tank top, followed by a white t-shirt with a normal shirt on top of that. That was like, that was so you looked, so you looked fuller. So you got to understand, I don't wear the wife

beater to layer because I really don't care. It just feels secure. I'm sure that's what you, I think you've been telling that story for most of your thunderbats, right? Dude, it started that way. That's your doggie thunderbats. Listen, if I show you, if I show you pictures or videos of my family eating dinner outside in the summer, 9 out of 10 of the men will be wearing a wife-beater at the dinner table outside. It's just, there's nothing I can do about it. Anyway. Just in my DNA. Just in you, you drawing yourself reminds me of this article, the one that I tagged you on.

You guys didn't do that! Oh, okay. Drawing ourselves? No, no, no. I didn't draw pictures of peanuts either. Fine. I don't think I ever did that once, no, no, no. I didn't draw pictures of Financing either. Fine. I don't think I ever did that once.

Why? It's cool. I don't know. Yeah. I'm sorry. So I, please God, if you could bring in one of those old, like, I'll try and find the paper. I'll try and find the paper.

That would be the greatest thing ever. No, this article. It's like, comes in with like poster papers. This is the scale. Dicks. Just call over it. Listen to this article though, check this out. This is the one I tagged you on, Adam.

Yeah, I saw that asshole. The age, ready for this, there's a new sexual orientation. Auto sexual, or would you call it? Yes, yes. What? There's a new, so I thought for sure we have now, there's every sexual orientation has now been covered. Yeah, like what else is there? There's every sexual orientation has now been covered. Yeah. Like what else is there?

There's nothing else. You got people dressed in fox and bunny suits, banging. Pansexuals, queer sexual, homosexual, and you know, bisexual. I mean, whatever you want to call it, there's, you know, asexual, there's everything. I'm like, okay, we have completely, nope, there's a new one.

It's called auto sexual, and this is for people who are sexually attracted to themselves. Wait, what? Yeah, not automobile of themselves, I get. Yeah, they're sexually attracted to themselves. Yeah, so this is whole article about this person getting interviewed, and they're talking about how, like what they like to do is like candles and

now you tag, you tag me. But if we were to do a survey on Mind Pump, who's most likely to be an auto sexual, I'm pretty sure you would win this. You think so? I think so. We got a basis of selfies. Speaking of, but weirdness, this is how crazy is this? We all must be connected somehow telepathically or some way we're connected

I definitely think that there's something weird going on because all of us had beards the hive mind all of us had beards Nobody talked about shaving their face at all. There was no discussion of this There was no like hey, I'm gonna shave my face. I'm not smooth. Nobody said shit Show up to work Monday. I walk in I think you guys are a bunch of baby faces. I yeah I'm like you guys are gonna make fun of me because my face is all smooth. Everybody's shaved their face. What the fuck is going on?

Who's in the air? It's like Google or Facebook. Like I feel like you guys are listening to me or something. I just figured you guys copied me. Really? I trimmed mine short. I have my own mind, so I'm surprised you guys were on board. Yeah.

It's kind of weird. Does it feel weird when you shave it at first? Cold. I think it's just, I like to do this where I have a look for a while and then I switch it. You know, I like to, it just, I don't know, makes things feel fresh and new and I like to do it when I'm making a change somewhere else in my life.

So like recently, this whole new swim kick that I'm on, you know, so I'm on on that right now and she's like, I'm a new person. Right. Yeah, and I'm trying to create this new habit in my life. You're like an emo girl. And yeah, you know, they change their style, like, you know, I was just tired of her.

Do emo change their style? I thought it's all black, everything all the time. No, I think it's their hair color, they change all the time. It's purple one day. It's pink now. No, different things. New piercing, no. No, anyway, wrong person. Wrong person. It's purple one day. It's pink now. It's different. Different things so. New piercing, no.

Anyway, wrong person. Wrong person. But you do that because you're in a new mode. Yeah. I didn't when I was competing. I did it, you know, I would, it went in bulk. I would grow the beard out and then I'd be all bearded out,

let it go. And then when I go to a cut, I would shave it all off. I don't know what it is. I don't know why. It's not like something that I read somewhere or someone told me I should do It's just my beard just got itchy so you had to go you have to wash your face though Yeah, yeah, I would like to see you haven't out of all of us You've you've committed the least to that like you have commitment issues. I feel like I don't you have I'd like to see you grow a

Beer like a Jordan shallow beard. See now. Yeah, but you would look way aggressive Yeah, Justin it would look way aggressive. Yeah, Justin. I would scare people That's like when I used to shave my head and then you know I was just for the the pure fact that it felt better when I'd wear helmet Yeah, and it was just like I would just I'm just so white that it turned into a racist thing We need that so I had to get away from it. We need that man I think a shaved head and a fucking ass beard. Crazy beard from you would look sick. I mean, that would take me to a whole new mountain level. Yeah, like it's just aggressive.

Yeah, it'd be like unabomber kind of like juggernaut, you know, crazy. Yeah, well, when I shave my face, you know what I like to do? I like to shave everything but my mustache. So then I had this long, weird looking mustache, and then I go downstairs and fuck with the kids, and I'm like, hey, no, shave off, I'm gonna pick you up from school like this. Isn't that cool?

I would like to see you with one of those, like twist the curly ones. Yeah, the curly ones. The only people I see with curly mustaches now are people who have or bartenders as careers. You know what I'm saying? Like if you go to a swanky bar, and there's a bartender there who's like really into it,

like this is what I'm gonna do forever. Yeah, curly mustache, almost every single time. Oh yeah. Hey, did you tell me you watched the Don wall? I did. Oh, dude. Fucking crazy. You know what trips me out about that?

Is the, did you notice something about all these rock climbers? They're all weird. They're all, no, they're all a little bit, not bad. They all seem like great people. In fact, the main dude in that dawn wall seems like an incredibly awesome human. Haven't you, I mean, we've pieced this together before. If you are on the level of greatness or record breaking

or all time greatest CEOs or the Elon Musk. You're different. Yeah, you've marched to your own beat, man. And there's a lot of other shit in your life that's completely out of whack and weird, and people can judge you all day long. And that's what's made you so good is that you've been able to just drown out all the other bullshit

and you can become hyper-focused on this thing. You're up- Alicate all your resources just to have direction. You have to be obsessed a little bit. Well, so it's crazy about the story. The whole thing is crazy. You gotta focused on this thing. You're up to allocate all your resources. You have to be obsessed a little bit. Well, so it's crazy about the story. The whole thing is crazy. You got to watch the whole thing. Everything from his father,

which I thought his dad was a fucking great dad, because they go into his relationship with his father. Oh, it's awesome. He, at one point, got taken hostage by these rebels in this other country that he was rock climbing. So that's an interesting story. Yeah. But here's a crazy thing, right?

He decides he's so driven to just climb and challenge country that he was rock climbing. So that's an interesting story. But here's a crazy thing, right? He decides, he's so driven to just climb and challenge himself that he decides he's gonna create a route on the dawn wall of El Capitan in Yosemite. This is, now people of free climbing, and free climbing is just, you're not using any aids that help you climb. So you use your hands and your feet, and you still use safeties.

Free solo is without the safeties. So he was doing free climbing. So he still had safeties, but it's all just his hands and feet. And there had been people, a handful of people who had climbed Al Capitan, free climb, but not many. Like if you just make it up Al Capitan,

you are among a few people in the world who've ever done that. Nobody had ever climbed the dawn wall of El Capitan. And this is the, it's a smooth granite face. It's like glass, dude. Yeah, like where do you grab? You're not gonna climb it. And it's the dawn wall because your fingernails out real long.

Because the sun hits it first when the sun is rising. And so what this fucking guy does is for, well how long was it six years? Yeah. He goes out there and he's trying to discover a route. And so he rappels down, he goes up, he's trying to connect routes. Six fucking years, this guy does it. Finally, he decides I'm going to go for it with this one buddy. And there were still segments of the wall. He had not been able to do. So first time he goes up there, he's like, so you know what they do, they go up there and they try to do these different segments

and they camp up there. It took him 19 days, he lived on the fucking wall in these little tents that hang off the side. Now does he like chisel like, foot holds or like hand holds? No, that's illegal. No, okay. What they do, so if you're doing like what Sal saying

where you're allowed safeties, you can start at the top top you can repel down and you can put anchors In places for you to when you get to that spot you can anchor down and and make the case you do fall you at least get Caught by that anchor, but it's like impossible some of these Segment are so impossible like when you're watching this guy climb I Don't understand how he's sticking to the wall half the time. It doesn't make any sense. It's crazy. It's absolutely insane. And he did it. He did it with his buddy. But the drive to do that, think about that six years, that is what you do for six years. And then you spend 19 days.

Well, then when you talk about the adversity that he had during in the middle of that, it just makes it go to a home of their love. Oh, dude, he lost his finger and he, you know, he's like, he's a rock climber missing one finger. Yeah. The most important one. Yeah. The 18-30% down. It's, when I, as I'm watching it,

what always blows me away when I watch stuff like that, two things, one, how we cheer that kind of performance, even though he's really accomplishing nothing. And what I mean by that, I don't, I'm not, I'm not trying to be an asshole. What he's doing is incredibly difficult. I mean, insanely difficult. But what I mean by that is he hasn't produced anything.

He didn't do anything other than something that's very fucking hard. And how all of us cheer that. So I always find that fascinating about human psychology. And the other part that fascinates me is, man, when people are, when we have a singular focus to the point where it's almost like a mental illness, we have the capability to do crazy shit.

Yeah. Like, absolutely insane stuff. That's fascinating. I'm really upset because I should have been watching that and got vested into this stupid show called vinyl on HBO. I realized I had access to HBO and I was like, I have to find something to watch. Watch this show. It was such flop.

What is it? It's terrible. It was like about this record producer who, you know, he basically was just like trying to find talent and all this kind of stuff and trying to do like a expose like all that stuff and you know, the drama in that industry in terms of like finding bands, signing bands, like,

it's terrible. I would you even ask him about it. But it sucks, huh? Exactly. Right. It's just like a sucks. It's how they tell me about it. I want to make sure it sucks. No, but like, here's the thing. Every time, like, it got to a part where like, okay, they're going to have some little one

liner or something to kind of like move the story along or like be funny or like, like, the writing was just got awful. So anyway, just avoid that show everybody please. And you watched a whole episode of it? Yeah, the whole thing and it was like, it was almost like a movie length that kept going. Oh garbage. Yeah.

Now go watch Don Wall or go watch Free Solo. Yeah. After watching Don Wall, I realized how crazy it was that that dude climbed El Capitan without safety. Right. That's right. That's right. Tell people the order you should watch in my opinion

is Don Wall first then Free Solo. I think it sets the stage for it. Well, plus you get right in my notes. Do you want to forget? Did you guys read the article on Viori that I sent? No, wouldn't you send that over? You send this one? Yeah. So, well, first of all, Viori tripled its year over year sales in 2018. Boom. They are exploding. They're exploring it right now. They are the new, what do they call it? Athleteger. Athleteger. Yeah.

The athlete is become this huge market. Of course, it was Lulu Lemon that kind of single handly created that market. And then Athleta was another big one for the gap, right? Yeah. In fact, the former vice president of design is from Athleta, is now working for Viori. So, according to this article. So smart. You know, we got into this,

I got into this little debate with, you know, we were talking, actually we were talking, we were talking about Viori and, you know, Danny was asking how we, how we went with that brand and why and this and that and we're kind of, it's explaining to him aside from that they have incredible, all their closed and incredible. It's just, it's a very smart model what they're doing and I love the way they, they really

are rivaling Lulu when you talk about the quality of the material. The material is phenomenal, the design is phenomenal and then they're direct to consumer and they really started on the man side and worked over to the the woman side. And he brings up Jim shark. And Jim shark is an example of like, and this is not to insult anybody who's affiliated with him or not, but it's it's the fact. They are like the the shreds model or the movement watch model. All built through social media. All built influencers. Yes, everything built through influencers and on screen. And it just shows you that you can become a multi-multimillion dollar company and really not have a great...

There wasn't built off of the quality of the actual product. No, or even merging or creating a new space like Lulu did. Before Lulu existed, yoga pants wasn't even a thing right right they created a Market and now there's all these other people a feet off it now You have these companies like movement watch that can get away with you know kind of crap product with incredible Marketing and branding behind it, but they will be at one point they'll have to make a decision This was what I was trying to explain to Danny as he was trying to talk about how a smarter, greater company, Jim Shark,

and I'm like, no, it's not. At least it's not yet. I said, but they're now, they've got a ton of momentum and they have an option, they're gonna have an option if they don't have one right now. And that option will be either to sell or potentially start to recruit people like this. But if they think they're just gonna continue going

the way they are with the influencer thing, eventually that kind of catches up to some of these companies. And if you're really not good, you have to have quality and substance in order to last. You can get a good start though, you know, like Shreds did that. Right, if Shreds was brilliant,

if they had good thought, they would have been talking to a company like Optinonotrition or talking to somebody who has the foothold on that space and said, hey, we've built up to where we are doing $50 million a year and we would like to talk about selling and they should have sold. Now, you saw Arvin do that when they started to tank,

but it was too late by that time. Yeah, he was out shopping it, but then it was then it was, it was, cat was at the bag. People were on to it's bullshit's crap. Now movement was brilliant because movement was still on the rise when they sold to Mavado, which was smart. Like get out of this space, you're not a fucking watchmaker, you're not brilliant watch people at all.

You did an incredible job of marketing yourself on Instagram, finding all the Insta celebrities, probably of marketing yourself on Instagram, finding all the Insta celebrities. You probably had some capital. So you could pay all the Steve Cooks and the names like that that have four million followers. Have them promote this crappy brand. Once it gets, once it gets enough momentum and enough capital and you can show year over year money, then you can go after a company like Movado and try and sell or vice versa. I don't know if they came after them, but you make that decision to sell and get out. That was smart.

It's just goes to show there's a viable business model now is to grow a company purely through social influencers. Purely. It's becoming a very lucrative, consistent, seemingly consistent type of business model. Now, my whole thing around that is because we saw a little bit of blowback with fire, the fire festival and influencers and you got a little bit of noise now where people are like, hey, are the influencers responsible for a shitty

product? Are the influencers responsible for a shitty experience? There's a little bit of that blowback going on right now. Here's what I look at it, I think to myself, if people start to lose trust or if influencers start to lose their ability to gain trust because of lots of people getting ripped off, then that model will fall on its face. Well, who gets hurt? I don't know if the model falls, but I think what I do think is that it's going to hurt influencers and this is a warning to all the influencers that are listening right now. Yeah, don't fuck the whole thing up. I see this a lot. And I don't know if it will.

Fuck the whole thing up. I think that we'll forever be able to do things the way we do things, because I think we've one built the reputation like that. We've kept our integrity since day one. We'll continue to keep our integrity as we move forward, we don't just accept any brands, we vet the shit out of them before we onboard them. So, this is the type of process that I think if you're going to be a legitimate company, you need to do these things because once you affiliate yourself, you're now putting your co-signing for those people, which is kind of like part of you. So, it's very risky to attach yourself to brands

that you don't know a whole lot. If you've got somebody who DMs you and they've got a cool brand like movement and you've never met the CEO, you haven't gone down to the headquarters, you don't know their five year plan, you don't know anything about them, but you see they're cool on Instagram and they want to offer you 20% cake back and so you agree to go, that's a risk. Now it worked out for the Steve Cooks and the people that went with movement, but look out for the companies that look what happened to the people that paired with shreds. Like if you were with shreds, like the page half the way is like the Joey's school.

Well, it'll destroy you. Well, it's, they're forever tainted because of that, right? Because they're known as that. So their credibility when it comes to recommending a product going forward is really fucked. Oh, speaking of which, what's her name now? Is doing fucking sweet sweat bands and shit. What's her name? Right.

Now she's pigeonholed into hustling all the bullshit. All the bullshit products because a smart company is not going to touch you with the 10 foot pole. It's like what we saw. I don't know if you guys watched the last UFC fight and John Jones. John Jones was when he was start, when he started blown up, Nike wanted him, Reebok wanted him for all the, I think, uh,

Gat wanted him. Who else want all these big brands want him? You, you saw him come into his last fight and he's rocking the, the vanquish, which is another one of these Instagram brands that's the clothing line. So it's like, you think of Jim Shark, you think of what's the other one that's popular right now. Vanquish is like a new and up and coming in. It's like, you guys are both looking at me, like like, like, like, like,

during the headlines, because you don't even know who the fuck they are. It's because they're not. They're nothing special. They're a company that's been built on Instagram. But he's now subject to having to promote shit like that, because none of the real companies He's still has a huge following right, but if you're yeah, if you're a company that that's worries about certain things

Like they're gonna like avoid like the real if you're a legitimate socket That's what I mean by the model will always still exist like famous people influencers are still going to influence their audience But it fucks the influencer when you pair yourself, and this is what I'm seeing with my peers in the bodybuilding world, is accepting these supplement brands that you don't know much about. You taste their flavor, and so you think it's good. You don't know how it, do you know it's third party tested?

Have you been to, have you met the CEO? Again, do you know the five year plan? Do you know their competitors? Where do they rank like? Are they gonna have stank? How are they gonna have stankers? Well, a lot of it is that these influencers don't have a buffer, they don't have an agent.

Back in the day, you know, fucking 10, 15 years ago, if you were a model or a celebrity or whatever, you had an agent, they would do the shopping for you, they would do the vetting, they'd bring it to you and say, okay, here's a brand, here's what they got, here's what they don't got. And so you have a lot of these models on Instagram that are just business-wise, they're not smart.

They wanna make money, they're not that bright, a company comes to them, flashes them some numbers, they don't know how to vet, they don't know what to look for in there, and a lot of them don't have integrity. They're not thinking to themselves, I'm gonna sell a ship product to people, they're thinking, ah, this company looks legit,

they're gonna pay me 15 grand, cool, I'm gonna promote it, and that's that. And so my point is, if that keeps happening, these social media influencers are gonna start to lose their power and the model of building a business off of social media influencers won't make it past the shitty brand startups. Yeah, you're totally right. There's no buffer there anymore.

Like, he's looking at artists and models and actors. They just, now it's just free reigns. At the highest level there is. Because they're smart. It's the highest level. Well, think about it. That's what Taylor is for us. The three of us do not have the time to go, what are we working with almost 30 different

partnerships right now? We don't have the time anymore. We did when we first started to spend, you know, tons and tons of hours vetting all that. So we have somebody like Taylor who we trust to do all that work for us. We're just, even then we still, we're the final, we're the final, we're still the final say. And we, we still want to meet the CEO and we still do all the, all the same stuff that we would do before him. But now the legwork that we would have to do ourselves. We know the time that we have someone do that. So that's the same, it's the same stuff that we would do before him, but now the leg work that we would have to do ourselves.

We know the time we do, we have someone do this. That's the same idea. It's the same idea. Well, you know, Viori is growing and has been growing on their own merit, just the quality of the product. They're literally just grew through, initially through word of mouth

and through people liking the product. And now you're having what they were, you know why, if you already went into the female market, I was reading this article, because women were buying their men's clothes and we're loving it and we're riding it again. So I don't even know if that was initially in their plan. Courtney, like she's completely turned away from athletic. It was her favorite brand forever.

And just to fit in the way that everything, the material was just so much more appealing to her through Viori. Yeah, they're doing a fucking... It's one of my favorite ones that Taylor found early, you know what I'm saying? Because when you see a company like this, you get it to be a bit hard of its growth and watch, like would you say three X? Three times in 2018, that's crazy. Yeah, that's who can expect that in terms of growth.

Yeah, that's more than our growth and we've seen ourselves consistently blow up year over year. That's killing us substantial. especially in a market like that. That's a very competitive space. Are you going to get some big giants? A peril. Oh my God. I wouldn't want to be in that market. You can pay me to be in that market.

That's a tough one. Anyway, have you guys listened to the Alex Jones on Rogan yet? Did you listen to that? Yes. I've always seen clips. Tell me about it. Dude, it's like four and a half hours or something like that So do you think the whole thing between them where they were fighting? He was fake. Do you think it was a ruse?

Well, I think that I think that like it's interesting to listen to Alex Jones when you get him riled up because he really Really does get like angry like you can tell like he gets fired up and he just, he rants and gets a fucking crazy. That's why it's so entertaining, because like, there's some realness to him, like, getting really frustrated and angry. Yeah, but do you think I feel like, you know, whatever Joe, like, I think it was just that, I forget what, like, caused the feud, but I feel like there was a little bit of, like, he pissed them off on some level and it was like a miscommunication. But, like, so the back and forth stuff was stuff was was I think it was just more jabbing. It wasn't like a real like hatred. Don't you feel like that's like you and I. I mean, we totally before

we got here right now, we have heady conversation, but if there's no animosity whatsoever, it's passionately speaking in our opinions on our side. Yeah, but they actually went on like Alex Jones did a podcast about how he's going to war with. Yeah, but did he, but I think it could you have done that? He is in a dark place. Like everybody, he felt like the world was against it. And so he wanted, I think he wanted Joe to feel like being judged like that for a minute. Dude, Alex, his whole thing.

Alex Jones has got to be one of the most paranoid people on the earth. He's extremely entertaining. But here's the crazy thing. As I'm listening to this podcast, okay, as I'm looking so crazy. As I'm listening to this podcast, he's mentioning all these different conspiracies. Do you want to know something crazy? Many of these conspiracies, definitely not all of them, but many of them are confirmed, declassified, actual government operations.

So I'm gonna give you a couple of examples. This where it gets like confusing. Yeah, because half the city says you're like, all right dude, there's fucking clockwork elves from a different dimension or aliens. Yeah, and demons. But then you look up some of the shit, this is crazy, right?

So I'll give you a couple of examples. Operation, by the way, you can look these up online and these are declassified, meaning they were classified things that the government had. They're now declassified and they're confirmed. They're real. Like one of them is Operation Northwoods. So this was during the Cold War, there literally was a plan that was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, okay? It was an actual plan that they were considering strongly to bomb American cities in Florida and to hijack planes, American planes,

and then blame it on the Cubans so that we would get enough support to go to war with Cuba or to invade Cuba. That was legit. This is Operation Northwoods. Well, legit. And you heard him talk about Bobby Kennedy and like how he was like trying to,

what was it about like Cuba? He actually was gonna give me the one like responsible, like he was gonna take over and I don't remember that part, but I know Operation Northwoods is real. You can look it up. Operation Paperclip, you can look that up too. That was, remind me that one, I've heard of that. That's after World war war two the US

right of Ambron and snatched up a whole bunch of Nazi scientists. Yeah, it didn't persecute them anything just snatched them up and said hey, you can come work for us and give us all your experiences like the NASA being like another shadow government that kind of split and divided between that and like the CIA and the computer. Why did I had a real crazy I had a client that was I mean, he was up there, but he wasn't like all the way at the top. And it was always funny talking to him because fucking half the shit he did was classified.

He couldn't share any of them. And he told me he can't tell his wife, he can't tell his kids. I'm like, that's crazy, dude. Well, dude, there's some shenanigans out there. And it's, again, like when you do the research and like some of it, like even if it's like 60% of it, like you can vet and verify, it makes you go like, oh shit, like, well, that's it.

That's why people, there's a 50, 50 chance. This is true, that's right. What that tells you. I'll listen to this, I won't listen to this. I'll listen to this, I won't listen to this. That's why you get paranoid because you read these, you're like, wait a minute, this was a real thing. Like the US government actually considered bombing Americans

and blaming it on other people. Like, oh shit, then you start, and then of course we know about the Tuskegee experiments where they would, you know, willfully inject people with syphilis, didn't tell them, and then watch what happened. I got, like, do all kinds of crazy experiments, and we did those in third world countries too,

to other people. Just the fact that I'm talking about like, pig human hybrids in China. In China. Like, I don't for sure doubt that China they're doing some weird shit. But that's the thing.

Yeah, you look at like unregulated practices, like in terms of like ethics and scientific experiments. Like I just, that's where my concern is with like the loss of ethics, like worldwide in terms of like experimentation. There are no ethics. So science is ethic free. There is no morality in science. Science is objective. It's either do we do it or do we don't? Yeah. What are the results? It's not good or bad. It depends on who's doing it. Who's doing the experiment? Why they're doing it? What the experiment is? And then it's us that we're the ones that determine, hey, that's immoral, but science is immoral.

There is no morality in it. But no, it's, but here's the thing you got to consider. When I first learned about Operation Northwoods, I was like, fuck, how could they possibly do that? That's crazy. And I was talking to one of my clients about it and very, very smart dude. And he says, you know, he goes, you have to consider the time. He goes, it was the Cold War.

We literally had Nukes pointed at each other, enough Nukes that the whole world would have been destroyed. And we came very close to nuclear war. So when you're looking at that, you're considering everything. You're looking at the whole thing and you're looking at this thing and saying, okay, it's a terrible thing that we're going to do this,

but it's the only way we're going to get support to go invade a country because we think the Russians are storing missiles there. And so then it starts to make sense, like, wow, you know, I guess these crazy decisions are made because, or can be made when the circumstances sometimes call for them. I don't know. It's kind of crazy. That's crazy. It was a super entertaining podcast. Extremely entertaining dude. I don't know. It's kind of it's kind of crazy. That's crazy. It was a super entertaining podcast extremely entertaining Dude, I was loving it bro. It's Alex Jones is on another planet. He's on fire. Yeah, yeah and Rogan how so many times are in the four hours

You've listened to that. It's I'm almost through I'm three quarters of the way in it gets me through almost a book bro That's crazy. Yeah, I'm totally wasting my time with it Enterting is fuck, speaking of controversy, what was up with that? Who is it that general manager of the giants? Oh, the CEO. Oh, the CEO? Yes, dude, that's crazy.

Well, you know what, what's not, it's not that crazy. I watched the video and it looked, okay, it looks like his wife has his phone and he's trying to grab his phone and then she follows out of the chair and screams and it looks like he was being a little rough with her but it doesn't look terrible. Well, yeah, she just her screech, like was very blood-curdling, you know, right from him

just kind of reaching over, like right away, like it was, yeah, you can watch the video was on TMZ, it's Larry Bear, right? So Larry Bear, what is the CEO of Giants? That's the real name. Yeah, that's his name. That's the real name. And he's been actually a well-respected CEO for the giants for for quite some time. And this is like this is like crazy that this he took a leave of absence right now. So who knows what's going to happen if they're

even going to let him back or what the punishment's going to be. But I know he's getting a ton of heat. It's been all over K and BR and they've been taking collars in. And I'm I'm always just like really interested like what other people think about something like. For me, like, this doesn't, I don't skip a beacon of my day, I'm not. Yeah, that's their issue, right? Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, I don't care where you concerned. I don't care enough about things like this,

but I do find it interesting to listen to, you know, people call in and be like, I can't believe that. This is, this person, he should be terminated and put in jail and all the like, just crazy amount of stuff that some people see. And then the other people, the other end that are just like, oh, come on. You know, we've all done something like that

or whatever like that. It's just because it got caught on tape and it got full of proportion. She exaggerated her scream. Like, it didn't look like he was like trying to hurt her. That maliciously tried to. He was reaching over grabbing his phone. Now here's my question. What was on that phone? Yeah, I think she was fine. Aspics, bro. Probably. Yeah, everybody gets in trouble for aspects.

He's in everybody. You know what I'm saying? He's looking, he's been scrolling on Instagram way too much. She wants to find out. Let's get in the DMs. Let me see what's going on. Like, yeah, like this. Yeah. I mean, come I mean what else what else is does your does your wife hang on to your phone for and you get that where you try to get it away from what what else what else do you try and go top secret work stuff you're a fucking baseball manager let's like a trade next week she don't give a fuck about that what was that person just standing there like filming you know like what were they even doing that filming's filming them, Michael.

That's the world we live in now, don't you notice that? And nobody in the help room is that? Like it's crazy, somebody screams for help today. You don't go run to help them out, you pull your cell phone out to catch it on recorded. But they were filming before it even happened. It was filming them. Because it's Larry Barris.

It's like, yeah, so it's somebody who's, you know, they probably think they're famous and stuff and so you they get recorded. Yeah. And then they just happen to catch. I mean, I'm assuming I don't know. I'm just speculating with you But I mean, there it is like it's out in public It's so now it becomes a public issue I guess Yeah, he freaked out like she had she had some proof on his phone, you know, that's the way he acted like give me my phone I this I really think that we're we're heading into a new time with,

and I think Trump is a great example of this. And I think the reason why Trump is winning and doing so well as far as the way he's received, even though you think that he's not, I mean, he still is. He's still received by the majority, is he just owns this shit because he knows it's everywhere. He knows his videos and tweets and shit. Instead of trying to lie,

presidents would do in the past, denied, denied, denied, denied. The old school rule, denied, denied, denied, denied. Right, type of deal. He's just like, fuck it, yeah, I said that shit. And some people are like, oh my God, another people are like, hey, fuck, he's being real about it.

The truth of the matter is, it's gonna be the future for everybody. Cause let's be honest. I don't care who you are. You can find some dirt. The next president, the next one, and it's gonna to be the future for everybody. Because let's be honest, I don't care who you are. You can find some dirt. The next president, the next one, and it's going to get worse and worse because these guys that are 50 and 60 and 70

don't really remember, they still, I mean, Instagram didn't come around till the end of their life. Wait till we have presidents 20 years from now and everything's been recorded since they were fucking five. You know what he's, you know what I'm saying? Bro, every stupid, bad things and I've said and done in my entire life and learned from those lessons.

Well the scary part for me is just watching all those videos where they can manipulate you to say whatever they want. You know, like that technology is getting better and better like every day. Yeah, we're gonna enter into an age of distrust of any information you get digitally. That's my opinion. I think all information that's going to be digital at some point,

it's going to be so, so, literally there physically. Right. Like, yeah, it used to be, that weird is going to come all the way back to full circle where it's like people will not care. I'm not in front of my face. Yeah.

Right. It used to be photos worth, you know, what do they say? A photo's worth a thousand words or whatever. And so they start doctoring it and putting like little spaceships in the back. Yeah, and then it was video. Like if you had a video of someone doing something,

that was it, you're done. It's gonna get to the point where that's not gonna mean shit anymore, it's gonna be all about, you know, being in person. It's gonna be very interesting, very, very strange time. So, I don't know, anyway. Dude, you guys see the, are you, are you, are we getting, by the way, the new Organifi immunity? Cause I saw on their site that it's presale.

Are we getting that? I saw that, cause I remember, so emergency used to be a big thing, you know, like in terms of like you go, you take that before you get on a flight and like hope that you boost your immune system. Is it something like that? Like we brought it up last week.

And I said some shit and then I tagged, someone brought it up to me on my Q&A I think and I and I tagged Shauna said what the fuck how can we don't have this? Yeah, she goes it's not even out yet. It's on a pre-sale You guys are yours is on the way so we should be getting it But what I haven't done is I haven't even looked up the ingredients and what it is What do you think so as I mean is it legit or what as the role is in there, two merix in there. You have beta glucan from mushrooms in there, olive leaf, zinc, ginger, there's high in vitamin D3.

So it's got all the... It's only got, it's not like an airborne. Yeah. No, no, airborne has got a bunch of other garbage in it too. But it actually looks legit. It looks legit. And so I can't wait to try it during like illness season. What do you mean the airborne is a as there's shittin' it?

What do you, it's not? Airborne's got it. I thought this was like an airborne type of thing. No, no, no, no. What I mean is airborne is not a good comparison because I don't think airborne's that good. Oh, do you mean like because they're using a bunch of artificial bullshit?

Yeah. Where we know organifies using all organic. Organic. And also this, you know, this actually has things that are clinically proven to impact immune system in a positive way. So airborne, I think also has echinacea. Echinacea tends to bother my gut.

This doesn't have echinacea, so I'm happy about that. But all of the leaves in there and the beta glutins are in there. Which both, yeah. Zinc and vitamin D3, which I have a theory that, and there's actually not just my theory, this is a theory that I and there's actually it's not just my theory This is a theory that I've read that the reason the reason why people get sick during the winter time is just the lower levels of sunshine and vitamin D You know other people say it's because we're closer to each other indoors but I I think it has more to do with the fact that we're just not getting a lot of sunshine

We're not getting so our vitamin D levels dip even more in the winter, making our immune systems a little weaker. Well, what do you, this has a good dose of D? What do you think also about two, the temperature's being down, and then you're just being more susceptible because you're, like, this is why I think the hot cold contrasts is made such a difference for me, is because I've strengthened that by training that,

getting cold, getting hot. Anytime I've been consistent with that, which I'm back to being consistent again, I feel so resilient. Like, people can be sick around me and I actually can I won't get sick But then when there's times where I'm not I'm inconsistent with that I pick it up right away Is the is the I have a question for is the pool that you're swimming in cold or is it was it warm? No, no I'm doing I'm not the pool's warm. Okay, I know the reason why I was asked is I was wondering if that would have it

But it's not it's warm. Yeah, it's it's like a yeah, it's lukewarm I actually after I so my kind of like thing right asked is I was wondering if that would have it, but it's not. It's warm. Yeah, it's like a, yeah, it's lukewarm. I actually, after I, so my kind of like thing right now is I, I swim, I get my 15 laps in, I come out, then I go in the, the steam room, I steam and then do, I do a freezing cold shower, go back in the steam and then I come back again and freezing cold shower. Then I leave. So that's been kind of my routine. Is that Katrina going to the gym with you and doing her workout then? She's not a club sport. She comes here. So we were here yesterday and she's

training. So it's been interesting with her because I know before we headed into all this, I had this like, oh, you know, and she did too. She's like, I want you to hold me accountable to this, and I want you to make me do this, and don't let me not do this. I'm like, okay, okay, I'll do whatever you want me to do, and I'm all for that, right? Because the healthier you are, the healthier our baby's gonna be, so I'll pro that.

But there's a couple of things that I've noticed that has made it really challenging, and she gets these windows of feeling really good that has made it really challenging. And you know, she gets these windows of feeling really good or not feeling really good. And if that window isn't matching up with the time that she had planned to go train or do something with that, it can get really challenging.

And so I've noticed that with her, like if she's in the mood, it's Saturday, and we don't have somewhere we have to be, and she's like, hey, I feel like train. I'm like, cool, let's go. And then we get it and we just go, right then and there. Where in the past, it's Saturday, and we don't have somewhere we have to be. And she's like, hey, I feel like training. I'm like, cool, let's go. And then we get it and we just go, right? Then and there, where in the past, like her and I would say, like, we're gonna go training.

This, we set our schedule. It's obviously easier to do that to hold her, but what ends up happening is she's like, I feel nauseous, I need to eat. You know, that becomes a priority than we do that instead. And then you then it's like, oh, I'm not in the mood to go to the gym. But she's still working out.

Oh, yeah. Two days a week. Oh, yeah, no, she's still been consistent. My point is that that's been very challenging. So that's, it's not like I thought it was gonna be for her. And then the... No, pregnancy, working out during pregnancy is requires some dedication.

Especially the first trimester is what I'm learning with her. The first and then the end of the third choice. Right, I could imagine that. Because then you get so big. It's super uncomfortable. Yeah, it's real uncomfortable. I just look I just coached a client who I was going to give her a shout out but I don't know if she wants to put her name out there but she hired me to coach her pre-pregnancy during pregnancy and then now post pregnancy right so she was

lifting weights working out macros all that stuff you know even into the pregnancy and then afterwards kind of more intuitive eating she was lifting weights, working out, macros, all that stuff, you know, even into the pregnancy, and then afterwards kind of more intuitive eating. She was one, she weighed 162 pounds going into the pregnancy, got pregnant, got, at the, gave birth, she was 191 pounds, where she gave birth, so she gained, you know, almost 30 pounds. Five days, ready for this? Five days post birth, baby was born, five days later. She's down 164 pounds two pounds off of the weight

She was before she was pregnant. Whoa. Yep. Now and I see now that's a that's a pretty crazy example But I and I'm sure a lot of it was water and all that stuff But I as long as I've been training people I have seen it time and time again, when women strength train properly, boost their metabolism, do everything right, and then continue exercising, especially with strength training, because muscle is a phenomenal insurance for Fat Game. And then they do that in through the pregnancy,

they bounce back way faster, way faster than anything else that you'll ever see with a woman having a baby. Well, you know what, I've also seen as challenge and I had we had to communicate through this is so Katrina, I mean, I don't know if you guys have actually seen her I'll show you a picture afterwards of how much her belly I mean her belly is she's full on to show big. Oh, yeah show big time. She's not like kind of showing People now know she's pregnant. It didn't look like she had a burrito.

Yeah, exactly, yeah. She doesn't look below to it, right? She looks pregnant for sure now. The irony is that she's only four pounds up. Now, and that's been, and she's been the same weight, or even, you know, same weight for this whole time. So we're in second trimester now. And, you know, when you're talking to your doctor,

and they're telling you about that, they're like, oh, you're fine, you can, you should gain weight. You know, you don't need any more exercise, and they're telling you about that, they're like, oh, you're fine, you should gain weight. You don't need any more exercise, and they're telling her things like that because she needs the gain weight. She needs a gain weight. She's been staying the same. We're already hitting the second trimester.

Now here's the problem. Katrina's volume of training was so high, diet so dialed in everything before that she's got a lot of lean body mass on her. And so this misconception of she's doing really great with her scale weight is not ideal for what's going on with her body. And what I mean by that is she is losing a pound of muscle,

adding a pound of fat, losing a pound of muscle because she's not... Composition is changing. Yes, so her... So even though... And that's, I could see this being a very challenging thing for, you know, obviously she has me at home to kind of explain this to her. And so she knows, like, hey, listen, I know your doctor's telling you, you're doing plenty

of exercise or don't do any more, don't do this. It's like, no, you're losing muscle is why your weight is not changing. That's why it's such a good insurance. This is 100% why it's such good insurance for pregnancy. Because you're going gonna lose some of it Obviously, you're not gonna be able to build muscle throughout your pregnancy or train at a particular, you know type of intensity You're gonna lose some of it and you're gonna gain some body fat totally normal It's just the phenomenal insurance. It's the best one that I've ever experienced working with and I've trained

I've trained at least a dozen women through you know pre-enduring and post-pregnancy. And they all, every single one of them bounce back much faster than the doctors would have thought. So I wouldn't worry about it. Here's the other thing too. First trimester, a lot of women don't even gain any weight. Some women actually lose weight

because of the morning sickness and the nausea. The weight gain tends to kick in, like second, third trimester. Yeah, it's definitely coming right now. And what I'm trying to promote to her is keeping up her consistency with her lifting during this process because you're starting to really, she's definitely eating. I've never seen her eat like this. You know, she's, she has to be feeding that boy.

Yeah, she's got to be eating like every couple hours or she gets nauseous. Nautious. That's what she's found out. It's like that's what the, the morning sickness comes it's just the extended period of no food in her system. So sometimes I hear her get up at like 3.34 o'clock in the morning and she'll go down, just have a cracker or something and go eat something. So she's got something in her system

and then she can go back to sleep. If she ignores that feeling and just stays in bed and then gets up in the morning. Nauseous. Nauseous. Yeah. So sucks. Yeah. So are you getting any, what do they call it?

Like empathy, what do they call empathy? I did in the beginning. At the beginning I had all the symptoms that she was supposed to have, right? Sickness. Yeah, I forget what they call that where I take on all the stuff that she's supposed to be having. I had like the morning sickness and all the weird stuff

when she wasn't. But not anymore, like I don't think I- I'm over now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm good. I got through it. Yeah, thanks for asking. Well, you know what I think I had, you know,

looking back now, you know, I'd be lying to say that there isn't that during that first trimester when you're finding out, like, because they don't even like you to tell anybody to talk to the first trimester. Yeah, it's the risky part. Yeah, it's the risky part. Like we haven't got, I haven't got my results back. If he's a healthy boy or not, like I don't even like you to tell anybody to talk to the first trimester. Because it's the risky part. Yeah, it's the risky part. Like we haven't got my results back. If he's a healthy boy or not,

like I don't even know he's a boy yet. Like so that first, I think there was probably, I had the morning sickness that I thought I had, was I was probably just this nervousness. That I was unsettled in my stomach was kind of feeling that way. And it was weird, because I never felt that feeling before.

And I told Katrina, I was like, I have this weird feeling, you know, sympathy pregnancy. Yeah, sympathetic, look at it, they call it kuvad, kuvad, I hope I'm pronouncing right, kuvad syndrome. So this is a real thing. That's hilarious. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely can tell you this

that I gained weight. It was, it was, it was consistent for a month. I had never felt that feeling in my life. I've had all kinds of weird stomach stuff and flus and diaries and all kinds of shit that's made my stomach feel weird. It was a feeling that I had never felt before and it was consistent for a month. And it's now gone completely.

And looking back and trying to piece it together on packet, the only thing that makes sense to me that I don't have today that I did have then was that I don't know yet. I don't know it's a boy yet. I don't have today, that I did have then, was that I don't know yet. I don't know it's a boy yet. I don't know if it's healthy yet. I don't know if we're for sure going to have it yet.

Where all those things are gone now, healthy boy. We've got that and he's coming for sure. I think now that I know for sure she's okay and he's okay. I think that maybe that's what's made that. I can't wait, man. He's spec, I think that maybe that's what's made that I can't wait man. He's speculating of course Today's calls brought to you by Max and a ballic if you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength Math and the ballic is the perfect place to start with a full 30-day money back guarantee There is absolutely absolutely zero risk So what is your waiting for go to my

Prominent comment and started today The first question is from architecture what are the pros and cons of low-carb bulking Bulking this is the process by most impossible. Yeah, well, that's how I feel about this. Yeah, let's talk about that. Because bulking is a process of eating excess calories and trying to gain hopefully lean body mass. I don't know too many people that try to bulk

and gain body fat. So the goal is, okay, I want to try and gain size, gain strength. I got gotta eat extra calories. Can you do that with a diet that is low on carbohydrates? You can, is it easy? No, it's actually quite difficult. I did this many times, but it's really hard to do. I talked about this in the show.

I intentionally went after like this. That was right after we, and those that have been listening long enough, we'll remember this was right after we first introduced the ketogenic diet. So this is what, we're in the other studio, so it was at least two, three years ago. So two, three years ago,

we all go through the ketogenic process. It was during the time when I was into competing, and I had decided my next between shows, I was gonna keep this kind of really low carb and and kind of keto-ish type of diet and try and build mass and it was just at that time I was having to eat 4,500 plus calories. It was just and I remember telling sell one point of like 200 grams of that. Yeah, I'm well this is I said I don't care who says the positive things about the ketogenic diet, if 3000 calories are coming from butter and oils and cheese

and shit in my diet, like this can't be an ideal. The carnivore diet. I was like, I can't even hit maintenance. Like because it's so satiating, I cannot eat that much meat. It was just like so frustrating, because it was like like it was too fast I do not recommend bulking for anybody on a low on a low no no now if you have now you do want to

We should be clear that there are individuals who are gonna do better on a low carb diet no matter what like there's people that You know carbohydrates bothers. They're, they're digestion. Hey, maintenance, fucking awesome. Maintenance, they're trying to reduce body fat. Awesome, I'm all for someone doing a lower carb type of diet. That's great. It's smart. So when I was in early on as a personal trainer, you just have the sales pitch when I would talk about nutrition

and it's kind of true. It's not a totally true, but it's kind of true, but I think it illustrates kind of what we're talking about. And so when I would explain the macros to people, the way I would explain them is I'd say, okay, carbohydrates would be like paper, protein is like kindling and fats are like logs. And that's about, if you were to throw those in a fire,

the rate at which they burn up and how long they stay in the fire, it's kind of indicated by the representations of paper, kindling or logs, fat is just satiating as hell. And if I eat a lot of fat, it's hard to eat more later on. I'm just full. And so, if I'm trying to eat 3000 calories of a keto diet, that is a lot of fat.

And I'm, I hit palate fatigue so fast, you know what I'm saying? I just can't do it anymore. Now when I throw carbs in, I can have a large carbohydrate kind of meal and two or three hours later, I could do it again. It doesn't work like that so much with proteins and fats, which is why I think a lot of people like to diet on low carb diets because dieting on a low fat diet

can be hard for some people. Yeah, it makes a lot more sense. No, that's where I, that's where I'm super pro that. I love that. I think when you, when you're trying to lean out, or if you're trying to just maintain your body, what you're not trying to put size on, I just think that a low-carved diet for putting size on

is, I don't know, it's kind of like a cross-fit or running paleo. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. You know what I'm saying? Can it be done? Sure, it can be done. There's a lot of people that do it, but it doesn't make, it's not smart.

No. Feeds yourself some more carbohydrates. You deserve it. And the other thing too is when you're bulking, you're trying to get stronger. And for most people, a diet that is super low in carbohydrates is not conducive to lots of strength gain. You want to have, you don't need tons of carbs,

but carbohydrates do fuel this glycolytic sources of energy, which are needed in high intensity type exercises. That's an accessible energy, like from carbs. That's just that immediate access. Now, if you're somebody who likes to eat a low carb diet typically and you're trying to bulk and so you're torn between like, oh, I feel really good when I'm on the ketogenic diet or a paleo type diet, but then I also can't bulk. I'm having a hard time. What do I do?

I do, this is how I come out of a low-carb or keto type of a diet into a bulk. I schedule and I pick where, so first, I always tell people, track where you're at now, so you know where your starting point is. And then I increase my carbon take by anywhere between 50 to 100 grams.

That's going to be different for everybody because you're size and what you were intake in before. And then I take the 50 to 100 grams and I schedule it before post pre and post workout. So before an hour or two before I go to my workout, I'm having a carb meal then. And then after post workout, I'm introducing the other half of those carbs post workout. And this is just to ensure that a majority that goes to good work, goes to either one, fueling your workout or two,

helping assist in building muscle post workout. Yeah, no, I'm with you on that. Now, that being said, if your options are feel good or eat carbs to bulk but not feel good, go with health, always go with health. Bolking and feeling like shit, isn going to benefit you because you're probably going to lose whatever you gained on it. And when your health starts to go south, digested starts to go south, good luck trying to maintain any muscle that you've gained or even

try to, you know, move in a direction of gaining more muscle. It's just not going to happen. So listen to your body at the end of the day and some people just do better. And look, I'm one of these people. Now, I eat carbohydrates, but what I consider higher carb for me is low carb for a lot of people. I rarely exceed, I don't know, 200 grams of carbs a day, 250 grams of carbs a day. That's my higher carb days. Most guys, 200 pounds, my size, if they're eating higher carbs, they're in the 400 gram range, usually. So it depends on the individual, but I'll tell you this much. I've tried bulking on low carb, and I can gain some muscle on it. It's a slow process, but I hit a wall.

I really do. It's like, okay, I got another meal to eat. I got to eat another 700 calories. I'm fucking stuffed, man. I just had, you know, a bunch of eggs and a bunch of fat and a bunch of avocado and bacon and fatty fish and vegetables with olive oil on it. And it's like, I don't know if I want to eat,

I can eat another meal, I just can't do it. But if that meal was, had rice in it or buckwheat and the fat intake was much lower, three hours later, eating isn't a problem. In fact, I wrote a couple blogs on this on how to bulk for hard gainers. And that's, one of the strategies that a lot of people have to counter or use when they're trying to bulk

is how they get around that palate fatigue. This isn't super common, but for people who are hard gainers, especially guys, skinny guys, you'll hit that. You're trying to eat over 3,000, 4,000 calories. You're talking, this is my life, dude. My whole life, which is trying to be bigger. And there are certain things that I've shared with people

a long time ago on the show. We haven't talked about this topic in a while. I used to make sure I would stay low fat early in my day so I could get ahead of my calories. So, because one of the hardest things that I found was if I needed to eat, let's say, 4,000 calories in a day, which was very normal for me on a bulk or more, and it's noon or one, and I'm only at 700, you know, which is, let's a pretty good size breakfast for most people.

700 calories, it's noon or one, you know, that's a pretty good size breakfast for most people. 700 calories, it's noon or one, that's pretty fucking normal for the average person or less. But for somebody who's trying to eat 4000 calories a bulk, holy shit, half my days over and I'm at 700 calories and I get to 4000 and then I find myself stuffing myself the rest of the rest of the night and that just feels miserable before you go to bed. So I learned, and this was through many trial and error, right? Just going through this process so many times. Okay, if I eat like a very lean meal,

and typically higher proteins, I need to stay ahead of my protein also, but carbohydrate and lean protein mix early on, and then I piled on the fat towards the end of the night, I was able to get my calories because the low fat and the higher carb type of meals promoted me to be hungry every two to three hours and I could keep eating, keep eating, keep eating. And then at the end of the night, if I wanted to join myself with a burger or have something that was a little more on the fatier side and satiating and enjoying, that was kind of

like how I rewarded myself for hitting my macro targets early in the day. And that strategy worked for me really, really well, especially when I was competing. And this is important to talk about, because I think when people talk about cutting or bulking, they look at, okay, what's the most effective diet in terms of making your body burn the most fat, which one's gonna have the most thermogenic effect,

but people completely negate the psychological component, which is, okay, if I'm trying to cut, I want to eat a diet that's gonna minimize my appetite as much as possible and minimize my desire to want to eat. And if I'm trying to bulk, I want to eat a diet that's gonna make me want to eat more and make me want to consume more calories. Those two factors right there, I'm gonna tell you something right now, okay, if you're listening right now,

are the most important factors. There is nothing more important than that. When you're trying to construct your diet and you're trying to lose weight, the number one thing you need to consider is what diet is gonna make me not wanna eat that much. That's number one, because I guarantee you right now, your struggle with your cutting diet is not going to be, oh, this diet isn't,

it's thermogenic enough. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're not gonna struggle with that. What you're gonna struggle with is, fuck, I'm starving. I want eat some food right now. You need to be satiated. And when you're bulking, it's the same thing. If you're, and maybe this isn't true for a lot of people,

I mean, if you're, if you're a female and you're gonna bulk on a 2000 calorie diet, probably not as important. But if you get, when you start to get up to 2500, 3000, 3500 calories, I don't care who you are, 4000 calories, you gotta start to consider how am I gonna eat all this food and not feel like I'm ramming food down my throat and making my life miserable because it sucks,

just as much as it sucks to cut and be hungry, it sucks to force feed yourself. I used to sit there with food and water. Chew it and wash it. Loaded it and flamed and just cramming it in there. Just not feeling good. So you come up with these different strategies. And so low carbs tends to work better for cutting

because of the appetite suppression of the satiety effects. And higher carb tends to work better for bulking because of the appetite stimulating effects. Individual variances do apply, but so I'm, but I am speaking generally, most of you listening, this will work for you. Next question is from Sitaraka's personal training. Did you guys see the new T-Nation article on how foam rolling destroys cells in the body? We didn't until we saw this question and we had to, it's a new article. It just came out the 22nd of February, which was just last week.

And it's funny because T Nation probably, it took me a while to find it because all the other multiple articles, right? That you had to dive through over the same subject. You're right. And so, and this has been a fun discussion, I think, because we've gone back and forth on kind of how we have felt about it.

I feel like we've settled where we, I think where we stand and I think we're, I don't know if there's ever going to be any science that would come out to make me change my stance, not me and that I'm being stubborn about it, just that I've already seen enough science and information around it that it makes sense to me that, because we obviously know that there's benefits to it, there's benefits to deep tissue massage, there's enough science supporting supporting that that you can't debate that. But at the same time, I also see that there's far more value in mobility and learning to get reconnected to muscles that have been, you've lost a lot of connection to, and what that promotes, as far as the relief that you feel at, temporarily, from a foam roller. Yeah, so foam rolling, let's talk a little bit about what it does. When you're on a foam roller, it's a hard foam roller.

Well, actually, it's actually, it's said it's telling people exactly why don't you share what this article says it does, and then you can explain. Oh, yeah, now I'm going to go into that, too. So, so when you're foam rolling, you're, you're applying a lot of pressure on areas on your body, not unlike a deep tissue massage. And what this does is A, when you apply pressure on a muscle, the central nervous system kind of releases its grip on that muscle and causes it to relax a little bit. So if you have a knot in your neck and somebody pushes on it really hard

and just keeps applying pressure, you'll feel it start to kind of release and go away. And the person pushing on the knot may actually feel the knot dissipate. And that's just the signal that was being sent to that muscle to stay tight, the CNS pulls back a little bit. And so you get pain relief from that. There's also, I think they're called nocy receptors

in tissue and applying hard pressure causes those receptors to release a localized, almost like pain killer, localized. And so you start to feel less pain because your body's releasing localized pain killers. Now, so in the short term, you get the benefits of less pain. And the long term, it can help you because when you're tight or in pain, that causes your movements restricted. Your movement is now gonna be weird as a result of that,

and that can contribute to more pain. So sometimes getting rid of the pain will allow you to do the mobility work. That will then fix the root cause. This is why I used to have a wellness facility. I had a massage therapist in there. She was a very integral part in what we did. People will come in with shoulder pain, knee pain, hip pain, whatever.

They'd go see her, she'd do a deep tissue massage, then they'd come out, work out with me, and I'd get better movement out of them to solve the root cause. The article, the Teenation article says that foam rolling is destroying tissues and cells in the body because the pressure is so hard. There's some truth to that. Is it a bad thing? Do we need to worry about it? Nope. Complete. Like don't worry about it. It's complete bullshit. If you're applying enough pressure to cause permanent damage, well, you're a fucking special human being. I don't worry about it. It's complete bullshit. If you're applying enough pressure to cause permanent damage Well, you're a fucking special human being. I don't know too many people that can go that insanely hard

But yeah, anytime you get a deep tissue massage anytime you You put the bar on your back when you're doing a squat and you've got 300 pounds. There are cells In the trash that are that are dying. Yeah, they're turning over. Yeah, every time you run, runners, they will damage and kill red blood cells and cells in their feet and they'll rest the body from the impact. So you are destroying cells in your body from rolling, but you don't need to worry about it, fuck, it's nothing bad. I thought it was funny because I had recently talked about how I rarely ever use the phone roll anymore, but I don't know if I rarely ever use the phone roll anymore,

but I don't know if you guys remember, just day before yesterday I was on it when in the morning, I was, I was on it. And so the reason why I was, was my IT had gotten so tight, that it was pulling my knee, was actually aching and hurting, and it was affecting my gait in the way I was walking through the day,

and then I knew I was going to swim in the pool. It was tracking properly. Yeah, and then I knew I was going to swim in the pool tracking properly. Yeah, and then I knew I was going to go into the swim in the pool. So my theory and thought process here is, okay, if I get this temporary release from here, now I'll start, which is exactly what happened, right? So I get on there, I'm digging in and I've got the hyper-ISTEEN on there, I'm rolling up and down on the vibrating thing. I get relief.

Now my gate is normal. Now when I go into my training session for swimming, my swimming mechanics are normal. Last thing that I want to just fuck up when I'm trying to learn good behavior mechanics in something like swimming right now is to have something bothering me that now starts to mess with that and then runs all the way at the kinetic chain. So yeah, I know that I didn't fix the root cause right then and there, but I also prevented more worse things from happening by addressing that. And then now, after that day, after I swam,

I did a nice long mobility session when I came back here. Exactly, because if all you ever do is foam roll or deep tissue massage, then you'll keep going back. You'll keep going back to that well, and at some point that well will be dry, because you never fix the root cause. But if you use these techniques in combination with things that treat the root cause,

you've got a winning formula. So to give another great example, this one more people I think would understand. So one of the most common posture issues that we see that even if you're not in fitness, you can totally see this, is something called upper cross syndrome, a better name for it is forward shoulder because it sounds the way it looks, right?

So people with bad posture, where their shoulders kinda come forward, and a lot of times their head will jump forward. Now that posture, it's really common for people to have that posture, first of all nowadays, because we work on computers, but what's also common about that posture is it tends to cause tightness in the neck.

So people who have that posture, they tend to feel tension in their upper traps in their neck, sometimes they'll even get headaches from it. Now the reason why that's happening is because their shoulders are forward, other muscles that are trying to stabilize the shoulder girdle are being called into play. And in this case, it's the upper trap.

So the reason why your neck gets so tight is because the muscles of the upper traps up by the neck are, and other muscles that are also doing the same thing, are tightening up, trying to stabilize your shoulder girdle, and trying to do the job of other muscles that are just not working anymore, and namely the muscles that pull the shoulders back and kind of anchor them down. So if I see someone like that, and their neck is tight and they've got forward shoulder, I know to fix the problem, I need to work on getting their shoulders to come back and down. I need to work on exercises to offset that. But what if their neck is fucking tight? What if it's so tight that every time we try and do movement,

they can't even get into that position properly because it's so tight. I'm going to have them see massage therapist. The therapist is gonna work those muscles so hard that they relax and the CNS kind of lays off for a second. Now I have enough time to work on the pattern that I want and blingo blingo. You know, this is the type of stuff that makes our space so tough for a consumer. And I feel bad for people that are listening

because it's challenging for me. I'm in the fucking space and we read all the fucking time and you read an article like this and It's all supported by science. It's it's actually very well written. It's there's it's mostly all true But we know that for to blogs go viral and for more people to read them and share them that you've got to have some sort You know ticket you got to draw a line in the sand, you got to create some controversy to create dialogue and conversation around it. And so, and that's what they're doing here with this article,

but what it ends up really doing though, is confusing somebody who's not sure if they should or should not be doing something like this. And it's like, oh shit, Mr. Frank, we see this all the time in our space, especially when we're talking about the benefits of all these things that are floating out there, whether it be peptides or fucking your supplements, your protein powders, your muscle builders, your fat burners, like they take a little bit of science.

Yeah, okay, yeah, that's true, but then they stretch it and they make this crazy case for it. Right. No, the cells die and replenish themselves. Like, to me, it's like, it's another way to get attention and unfortunately it does sort of like cause a little bit of paranoia because if I read that and I'm like, oh man, I'm damaging all my cells.

And, you know, like, what am I doing to my body? Even though like you're just applying pressure and You know really just trying to reroute that pain signal and in order to allow better movement versus I'm not like rolling out an adhesion. I'm not breaking this up like the way that we described earlier was wrong So it is you know definitely valid to challenge. Yeah, and if you're foam rolling If you're form rolling hard enough to cause permanent damage. Yeah, and if you're form rolling hard enough to cause permanent damage, boy, I don't think. Well, I mean, technically you are, that's the argument they're making is that

you are form rolling hard enough that you are, that cells are bursting and blood vessels are. And so that's permanently or fundamentally changing you because you're not the same. We only see all the blood vessels. That's the science that they're or fundamentally changing you because you're not the same see all the blood vessels That's that's the science that they're using to make you sound like it does bruising happens But like it takes a long water pressure. Yeah, let me ask you guys this how often be honest now How often did you guys get bruises from using foam rollers and how often did your clients get bruises from using foam rollers?

Great. I can tell you right now never I never had a client foam roll Yeah, and come to your clients get bruises from using foam rollers? I can tell you right now, never. I never had a client foam roll and come to me and have bruises on their body. Yeah, okay, super exciting. But that's not even the point though, the point is even if it's... And bruising is... Even damage.

Well, even if they didn't bruise, your body is changing, so it's... Well, my point with the bruises... They were using one of the ones that had like the spikes on it. Yeah. You just went way too crazy with it for too long. And my, the bruising even isn't that big of a deal.

I've had deep tissue work where I've gotten the skin looked a little bruised or whatever. It fucking heals, like there's nothing still heals. Yeah, there's nothing to worry. You know what this reminds me of? And there's truth, yeah, cells are definitely dying and you are destroying some cells by applying pressure. So what, you'll apply, you sit on a log and it's hard,

you're probably gonna kill some cells in your ass cheeks, too. This reminds me of like, here's a good example, okay? Raw vegetables contain, I don't know, 15% more nutrients than cook vegetables do. And I can write a whole article about that. That's a great, this is a good one. And people will say, oh, then I should be eating only raw vegetables because when you cook vegetables,

you're destroying some of the nutrients. But see, that's not the whole story. Oh, then I should be eating only raw vegetables because when you cook vegetables, you're destroying some of the nutrients. See, that's not the whole story. Because the whole story is, can you assimilate what you're eating? And the truth is, you can assimilate way more when you cook something than when you eat it raw. Like, you eat a bag of raw broccoli

and you tell me how your stomach feels. You're not a, a rock contains more minerals than a cup of broccoli. Can you eat a rock? You know, so you got to be very careful when you read these types of things. And again, I think you're right Adam. I think he's just trying to get people to read the article because it sounds so alarmist. Totally. Next question is from Christina Rice Wellness. Hey, hey, that's our friend. It's our girl. Can you talk about this P-Volve trend? Oh my god.

Let's get P-Volved. I don't even know what to say. Did you look it up? No, I didn't tell me. What is it? It's interesting. It's definitely geared towards women. We haven't revisited the female myths in fitness.

Okay, so long time. Is this a program, a theory, a modell? It's a program. It's a modell. This guy came up with, I believe, he's from New York, but basically going through, like if you can get past all those old terms, like the hysteria around women bulking from lifting weights,

elongating muscles, like I mean, all these terms and things that we've dispelled like since the beginning of this podcast are used in resurfacing in this guy's language. And like if you get down to the nuts and bolts of the program, it's all like rubber bands and like pumping moves with like a donkey kickbacks and you know, really low impact in you know low intensity type of training. It's garbage. So what it is, it looks like it's a combination of Pilates, band work.

He's doing, he's catering to every fake fear that has been perpetrated by the fitness industry. 100%. He's totally catering to it. It's a heat, you say, he. All of a person. The founders of guy. Yeah. Our pre-hab approach to fitness elongates your shape and builds strength without bulk

to help you carve out the most perfect. Oh, wow. That's right. Yeah. Like, like, like, like the most obvious bullshit to go down the bottom of the web page again and then you actually take on the Instagram. Now, now check this out. Well, now he throws neuroscience in there.

Like, he's trying to talk about priming as well, is like being able to connect to muscles. And so like, you know, it, so basically, yeah, okay, maybe there's some validity there, but like we talk about where I'm trying to prime and wake up sleepy butt syndrome, or something like that, right? But then what, then what, that's the whole workout.

No, it's, I mean, look, it's better than nothing. Click on their Instagram, Doug, there was an Instagram link at the bottom of the page yeah it's it's a it's a it's a it is a workout so it's better than nothing but barely it's a lot of the verb the verb is in it is to cater to look at this this bullshit fear and this goes to this goes to the point we made in the intro to this show is the you're not lifting enough resistance to build sufficient muscle to speed up your metabolism.

You're not. It's not. It's not enough. The movements themselves are short range of motion. They're not gonna give you the kind of functional strength that just basic weight training is gonna do for you. It'll get you to your goals way slower than lifting weights, way slower.

Now, if you like this and the only way you'll work out is do this versus do nothing, this is definitely, go for it. It's better than do nothing. It's better than sitting on the couch. Just a little bit though. Yeah. I'm looking at this right now.

This is hilarious. It's embarrassing. But here we go again. Like, I'll tell you what it's about. It's a great brand new. Oh, it's badass. It looks beautiful. All the marketing, all that.

Let's Instagram. it's extremely appealing. And this is what we're going to see more and more of. He's kicking our ass with this. We're going to continue to see the movements, to see the gym sharks, to see the p-volves, to see these companies that do a really good job speaking to this generation that's coming up that was born into Instagram

by giving them the things that appeals to them like this look and speaking them to a language that makes sense to them instead of like educating them on this and we're going to be duped into thinking they're great products. I don't know how many people I, you know how many people that I know that got suckered in the movement watch thing and were like showing me like how cool the watches were and I'm like, dude can get that on all your Boba like like you see like yeah you really think it's a great watch like it's like an insult to talk to guy who's

like into watches and tell me like how cool that watch is not a cool sticker logo but I was but I was more fascinated with wow that's look how many people are convinced that because it is such a good job of branding it on Instagram it is well look look I'm not going to look mokan' mirrors. I'll tell you something right now. If I didn't have integrity, I could 100% create a company like this and blow it up. Yeah, just hit on all their insecurities.

I know what the verbiage, here's the verbiage. Just listen to me here. Now, this is beautiful, by the way, in terms of the, it's smart. The verbiage is very smart marketing. Listen to this, ready? The P, the P-volve method, elimination of bulk,

creating beautiful shape and definition. Here's the next one. Yeah, elimination. Specifics include more defined thighs, a higher butt, a stronger core. Brilliant. Oh, I get a higher butt. It's higher.

Works with any body shape, any fitness level, low impact, anti-pulse training is easy on your joints. So now where they're selling you on the ease of it, that's easy, it's hard, it's not hard at all. Activation of hard to reach muscles, what the fuck does that mean? Where are we trying to reach? I feel like I'm reading an ad,

it's like what is it, a tooth brush? Like get all up in there. It's like a toothbrush with a long handle or something, reach those hard to reach, teeth in the back. Yeah, a noticeable blue boost to your overall health while being in confidence, It's all marketing. It's all ordinary. The imagery is insane, man.

Really, really good. Yeah, it's just look, here, ladies listening right now, here's a deal. Okay. Run, if you run away from it. If you want to get a body that is sculpted, it's banging, that's firm, you want, you know, your butt should have been stopped.

You want your legs to develop, you want a tight core, you want nice defined arms, you want to be strong, you want to feel fit and strong. The fastest way to get there is to lift weights. And of course, you have to have a good diet. Lift weights, lift heavy, try to build muscle. Don't worry, you're not gonna. You're not gonna.

You're not gonna wake up tomorrow, and're not going to wake up looking like a man the next day. I guarantee you that's not going to happen. Nobody has those genetics. Now, if you do have the genes where you build a lot of muscle, you still want to get there as fast as possible. Still lift fucking weights. If you ever get to the point where you look in the mirror and you're like, whoa, this is the perfect body. I don't want to build any more muscle. Then you can go do p-volve and just, you know, back up a little bit and don't have to live in just back off a little bit. But to get there, but to get there, you gotta lift weight.

There's nothing that's gonna get you there faster than lifting weights. And all p-volve is and all these pilates and all those other classes are. They are resistive streaming, not just light. It's crap. But it's resistance, but to such a small degree that to get you to your goals and take you so damn long, it's the first time you work out will wait to do it for a couple weeks. You'd be like, wow, I got more results in two or three weeks of weight training than I did in six months of, you know, this kind of pulls in. It's insulting calling it resistance training.

Yeah, garbage. Let lips take an address on a pig. It's still a fucking pig. Next question is from Andrew Beth. What do you think of diets based off of DNA tests? This is gonna get more and more popular in the coming years. I'm interested in it. Yeah, what they do is they'll test your DNA and then based off of certain markers, they'll tell you if your DNA says that you're gonna respond better to a diet

that's higher in animal proteins or you're one of those people that maybe has bad lipid profiles of heat too many saturated fats because there are people like that out there, you'll respond better to carbohydrates, all that stuff. Here's the problem with all that is that is at most and by the way, right now our science is not up to the point where they can really do this very well.

So even the stuff you'll get now, I would take it with a grain of salt. But even in the future, most that's going to give you half of the equation. The other half of the equation is your environment, context, your emotions around certain things. If, imagine your DNA test comes back and it says that the absolute best diet in the world for you is one in which you're going to eat lots of beef, for example, you need to eat lots of beef and you hate beef. Beef is disgusting. Well, guess what diet's not going to work for you? That diet is not going to work for you.

The other thing is you've got microbiome and how that changes and do you develop food intolerances because you've inflammation and all these other things. So I think it's half of the equation, but I don't think it's never gonna give you all the answers you want. Now that being said, I'm really excited about this stuff. I, you know, being a trainer of 16, 17 years now, like, I remember when we first started and everything was longhand

and there was a lot of speculation and we didn't have a lot of things to use to measure And the amount of tools that we have today just compared to 15 16 years ago is insane to me And I just see this as another potential tool Like you're saying so I I I wouldn't just another piece of the puzzle right exactly I would I wouldn't take this information It's the same thing I talk about with the Dexascans and I talk about the Everly World Test

and the Me Tues, all that's not me to the, was it called? Yeah, 23 Me Tues. 23 Me Tues. 23 Me Tues. Wrong movement, little different, little different. Yeah, you know what I mean though, right? 23 Me, all that stuff is, that was a great, that was an affordable stuff. I don't even know what I mean though right? 23 of me all that stuff is

That's a great for that was an affordable I don't know what that is You pulled out of the air right so those I mean all these things hopefully your 23 in me test is voluntary Yeah, so voluntary Force the oven oh my god I think the more the more data and information of these fat secret apps that we have, we use the, you know, the body bug fit,

the fit bit type of tools, like, it doesn't matter to me that, that how precise they all are. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I know that there's too many other variables that change minute by minute. I mean, we now know that you can think, a thought and change your, your chemistry and stuff that's going on inside of your body. So

the amount of that fluctuating all day long, I don't know if we'll ever have something that's right real, real time and can tell us these things. But for now, I think being able to utilize all these tools to kind of help you in the right direction, then why not? Yeah, I think the other thing too is epigenetics is kind of fascinating new field where you know, you may have a particular type of DNA, but your lifestyle changes how it's expressed. And can that change from season to season, or is it expressed one way, and then that's it? Epigenetic shows that it changes with your lifestyle. So you may have a, you may

have the, you know, be predisposed for something, but it's only predisposed if you live a stressful life, if you don't get good sleep, if you whatever. Right. So that's why it's so hard to nail down, right? Right. Right. And so I don't think, I think I'll always probably take it with the grain of salt, but I will tell you what does excite me is that I think future like data that's gonna be real exciting is the stuff that's all real time. Yeah. You know, we're, I'm wearing a device that tells me

how my blood sugar's responding, how my cortisol's burning. We're probably a ways from that. Don't you think of it being really, really accurate? Ten years. I'm curious like this. Don't you guys think this, and this is totally speculating. And I'd like to hear what you think. Imagine you can go back and figure out where your family came from.

They came from a part of the world. Let's say like Antarctica, right? Even though it's not realistic. But let's say that. For hang with people. Hang with me. So in a place where you don't get a lot of sunlight, right? And so you're having to eat in a fashion in a manner that gets all of this, you need to consume more vitamin D or you need to make up for.

That's a seal fat, right? You got to make up for what you're lacking there. And that's 100 years ago, that's where your family is from. You're now here. And so maybe your body is already set up to not, you know, produce as much of it because of where you came from. And so you need to get it in your diet.

And then now you're in a place where, in your life, and you're not consuming that or wearing closed doors, I just feel like there's gotta be something connected to that. It just makes sense to me how similar you are to your child and your child is, to your grandparents. Like there's so many similarities. Well, it goes even further than that. See, this is the thing.

Epigenetics is even like mother to child or father to child. So let's say you and your wife are living in a stressful situation and then she gets pregnant. And she's still stressed out while she's pregnant. That could change the way the genes are expressed because of the environment that the fetus thinks it's being born into. So although the DNA is the same, the way it's expressed is different because of the environment. So it's so much more complex than we think. It's not nearly as easy as, oh, here's your DNA, this is what you're pretty much.

No, I'm with you in terms of, like, it needs to be real time for me to really start paying attention. And I don't know what that looks like, other than having like some kind of nano bot like that you ingest that, like, interprets like everything real time, temperature, you know,

your gut floor, because even the gut floor itself like is a measure of those poop tests. That's old news, you know, that's what would happen like, you know, wow, that's dead cells. Those are the cells that lost. Yeah, that lost the battle. There's the ones that are alive in your gut that you need to pay attention to. I honestly think that in the future, it'll be real time where you'll literally, it'll get to the point where you will have an app or whatever that's going to tell you, no, don't eat yet.

Don't eat yet. You're like, I'm hungry. No, you know, it's probably not a good idea to eat yet. Okay, now eat now. Eat, aim for these macros. Here's the meal you should eat. And it's all completely based on your body's real time chemistry and microbiome and needs and then based off of your goals.

I think that's what the future's headed where you're literally just gonna go on your phone. It's gonna tell you what to do. And then who knows if they'll connect that to food apps and other shit where you'll get that shit delivered to you right away. But right now, diets based off of current DNA testing and waste your time.

I don't think, I think it's cool, look at it. And it might confirm what you already believe. Like, here's the thing too, a lot of times people will do these DNA tests. And it'll be like, wow, my DNA test says that, you know, I'll do really well by eating a lot of meat. And I'll always ask them like, okay, well, how do you feel when you eat a lot of meat?

I feel good. Did you need a test to tell you? You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think you need a test for that. So yeah, no, I don't think that we're anywhere near the point where I would give lots of validity to this. Are they expensive? The 23 and me tests are what, a hundred bucks?

Something like that? The Mee 2 ones, I got that. 23 and me 2. 23 and me 2 tests. And that came up with that. Terrible. Anyway, so check this out. If you go to mindPumpFree.com,

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