Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 996: Highly Effective Exercises that Suck, Volume vs Frequency, the Importance of Living Your Brand & MORE

Episode Date: March 27, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by Organifi (organifi.com/mindpump, code "mindpump" for 20% off), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about exercises they hate but are good to do, what Mind Pump will do if science disproves frequency in favor of volume, the importance for a personal trainer to be in shape and tips on not being so socially awkward. Justin is going to the “danger zone”! (4:56) Recap of Mind Pump’s “Mastering the Sale” training at Red Dot Fitness. (11:11) Update on Mind Pump & Mimosas. (15:49) Checking your egos and getting back to your ‘why’. (16:54) The growing wave of youth who are abstaining + discussion over Amanda Bucci’s recent post on being in a polyamorous relationship. (21:51) How Sal used Four Sigmatic cordyceps to keep his stamina/energy up throughout his most recent all-day workout. (36:21) The importance of ‘Digital Wellness’ and creating practices around technology. (37:55) The weird world of vegan YouTube stars is imploding. (45:57) #Quah question #1 – What are some exercises you guys hate doing but know are good for you? (52:23) #Quah question #2 – What is to say science won’t disprove the need for frequency, that only volume matters? If that happens, will you pivot and change your programs? (1:00:26) #Quah question #3 – How important is it for a personal trainer to be in shape? Can a trainer who is obese succeed? (1:09:27) #Quah question #4 - Tips on not being so socially awkward? (1:16:36) People Mentioned: Red Dot Fitness (@red_dot_fitness)  Instagram Amanda Bucci - BUSINESS MENTOR (@amandabucci)  Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Tom Bilyeu (@tombilyeu)  Instagram Enzo Coglitore (@enzocog)  Instagram Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee)  Instagram Products Mentioned: March Promotion: MAPS Aesthetic is ½ off!! **Code “BLACK50” at checkout** Health IQ **Free Quote** Four Sigmatic   **Code “mindpump” for 15% off** Mind Pump Live The Dirt | Netflix Official Site So I’m in a polyamorous relationship. – Amanda Bucci Sex at Dawn: How We Mate, Why We Stray, and What it Means for Modern Relationships – Book by Cacilda Jethá and Christopher Ryan The Weird World of Vegan YouTube Stars Is Imploding Mind Pump Free Resources

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, op, mite, op with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this mother, huh? Episode of mine! Yeah, I'm probably thousands of say, didn't you, duck. Look, for the first 47 minutes, we do our introductory fun time conversation, and then we get into the fitness stuff, but here's what we talked about in that intro.

We talk about Justin's thunderbird flight. He's got a flight schedule to go up in a jet plane. Oh, it's too dangerous. And experience some crazy G's, and that spurred me to remind them about getting life insurance because he's up there doing dangerous stuff. It's a good call, so. Yeah, so now we are sponsored by Health IQ.

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than we did on that quiz. Then we talked about the sales training that we did on Friday, and we talked about the Mind Pump mission, the overarching mission of what we do. We talked about the event Mind Pump and Mimosas. That is coming up on 420 in San Jose. It's a live event, Meet us, ask us questions. Here's what you do if you wanna attend.

Go to mindpumplive.com and buy yourself a ticket. Get your boyfriend and girlfriend a ticket too. Come drink with us. Then we talked about the Netflix documentary, The Dirt. It was about Motley Crew, those maniacs. Then we talked about our friend Amanda Bootsie and how she's now in a polyamorous relationship, a little bit of a rant there. We talked about my

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Then we talked more about digital wellness and I brought up a vegan article about how the YouTube vegan community, a little bit of infighting and implosion's going on. Uh-oh. Then we got into the fitness portion of this episode. The first question was, what are some exercises that we hate to do, but we know are good for us.

We named a few there. The next question, if science ever comes out to prove that you can train differently than the way we've been teaching, will we change the way we do our programs? Find out if our egos are too big. The next question, how important is it for a personal trainer to be in shape? Should you be fit, lean, ripped, muscular to be a trainer or is it more about just practicing what you preach and the final question. We give our tips on how to not be socially

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Hey, when are you doing your your jet flying bro? I'm going to the danger zone. Do when is that happen? Did you hear him singing this morning? Yeah, was that it? I seriously like I'm watching it this weekend like I am I mean over the weekend I was like like wanting to play like top gun all at this Thursday Thursday. I'm going up this Thursday F16 I met the pilot via DM. He's like yeah, you know, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be me taking you up and I'm like oh my god. Did you ask any questions? Yeah, you've been flying for yeah How'd you score? How'd you score in flight school?

Are you like the top dog? Like, you know, are you goose? You know, you maverick? Like, what am I dealing with here? You know, is he gonna like put you through the ringer, did he say, or is he just gonna, Oh, he's like, are you ready to pull nine Gs? No, he's not.

I was like, what does that mean? That's nine, bro, that's nine times your fucking weight on your body. I'm probably gonna see you. You brought that out the other day, which I thought was interesting. And I just, I didn't know that. So for every G, it's, you, you feel the pressure of your body weight. So nine would be nine times Justin's 280 pounds.

That's crazy. That's a lot of weight. That is. That's what you say. That's more than a ton. That's more than a ton of the playing. You're gonna hold them. No way. That's gonna press. Wait test. It's more than a ton. It's more than a ton. I'm not playing it a hold him. No way.

That's gonna press way to second. Wait a second. That can't be true. It can't be that. That's what he said, dude. I'm not saying what Sal said. Yeah. That it's because a ton, literally a ton of weight on your body. You would be crushed.

I don't think it's literally like the same thing, but you're okay. So you have to wear special pants. It's like the pressure of it. Bro, you have to wear special pants and do exercises because your blood sucks out from your brain and you pass out. Yeah. That's how the G's affect you. And you ever at least see pictures of people's faces

when they happen? No, I've seen so. So like this. BANG. Let's take a look. You ever watch an 80s horror movie and someone's face melts? You know, the old Toreco. Yeah, that's what's your face like I figure like my face is gonna look like Arnold when he gets outside and Mars He's

Hey, so you need to tell him like you know, cuz I and I'm sure these guys that I mean that's their thing right that's their special Tee so you think when you get in the plane that he wants to show off a little so tell him like you're too valuable to the business Right, yeah, he's easy way in pal. Yeah, you're too valuable to the business right now. You can't have that. Like, easy way in, pal. Yeah. You don't need to teach you show me anything. Yeah, I forget. They're talking about like there's this specific takeoff that's like really like boom, like gets you like right

into like maximal G forces and I'm like, okay, I don't know about that one. For all, what if you're up there? What if you're up there, right? You're flying around. I'm so jealous right now. This is so fun. And then the dude all of a sudden,

you hear him like, excuse me, search. He's like, sorry, Justin, emergency, we gotta go to battle. You're fucking f**king sh**. Oh my god. You're like, you're like, you're a battle. You're seeing that move here, Niggle? Yeah, I'm an eagle, yes.

Yes, that's the other one I'm gonna watch this week. Dude, please go get like an old school walkman, dude. Like, get an old school walkman, put it stra strapped your I don't know what they're what they're gonna allow actually in the cockpit Like obviously you get all geared up and like this crazy cool helmet with visor and all that barf badge Dude, I wonder if they'll let me like, you know place music and shit. We're instant story it. Can you insta story it? I don't know that would be rad. I was you hold your up. Think about how hard it would be to hold your arm up, videotape yourself while you're... I think there's a GoPro like on the back seat,

I think like shooting back. They talk good and do these flip each other off. It can't be that crazy, sad. Because that's an accurate. Super accurate movie. It's like, I pulled my sides from that. I saw it on top of me. Don't you remember me flip some side down and he flips it?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do remember that. No, I guess like the crossing pattern thing, Courtney was like, you can do it. Like, just make sure. I'm like, it's just going to be us, I think. I don't think that we're going to be up there with, you know, in the air with anybody else,

but, uh, she was like, just make sure they don't do the crossing pattern thing. I guess that's like where it's crazy. Dangerous. It should happen. Dude, I'm serious. What if you're up there and then shit goes down? Don't say that. What if you're up there and he's like,

hey, oh shit, we have to do a VASUS maneuver. Look at this, you know, Russian, whatever. He's on our tail. I'm in. I'm in. It's a big, a big. The migs are here. I'm flipping the switch, man.

I'm like, you tell me what to do. Yeah. You tell me I'm a button to push, man. I'm flipping the switch man. I'm like tell me what to do. Yeah Tell me what button to push man. I'm ready I think he's like scholar look skywalk run to fuck some shit. I don't look sky-rocket to the fuck I forgot this means wall hold on second, you know, did you get your your health IQ life insurance setup before you I did it. I have I have life insurance, you know, like, I better look back into the policy. Maybe I do need to like upgrade it and get help like you. It's for fit and healthy people. You just did your physical. Everything came back great. Yeah, you see all the you see all their commercials popping up. No. Oh, yeah, they're all like me going up in the air. Are they? I know well, they say will that will that take the cost up? I'm sure you should do it after you come back and I just won't tell tell him wow. Yeah, did you know what the average cost of a funeral is by the way

I just looked it up what seven to nine thousand dollars on average Wow, is that just like a basic funeral to yeah, if you're getting buried right? That's not gonna be like Adam wants a fucking you want like a parade. Yeah The jet wow look at that. He's got a camera in there. Oh, yeah, there is that'll be you just then flying around oh my god That makes my balls That's so bad ass. That's gonna be crazy Dude you need to have like people are realized the He'll involve in doing that. I think that person passed out. No, no, no She's going upside down right now. Yeah, oh

It's like we can get Bernie's you know the whole time So it's what so you can be wearing one of those masks, huh with the tube Yeah, I know it's cool. Do you know if he pranks you? You're so far too right now. Yeah Or it's like nitrous oxide when you get up there you gotta tell him I want to do this I want to go the next time man. Do you really? Fuck yeah, bro. This is a once in a lifetime thing. I'm cool You're gonna you will probably go the rest of your life Justin

Yeah, and be able to say that no one else. I'm cool. You will probably go the rest of your life, Justin. Yeah. And be able to say that no one else, you know, when you've ever met has even done that. You've done like something in most people. You've done something in most people. Yeah, nobody else has done that. That's cool.

Yeah. I know, that's really what I'm excited about. I'm gonna, what I'm proud of is I'll be like, hey, I know someone who did it. You know, if I can't, if I can't, I can't, if I can't, if I can't, if I can't, if I can't, if I can't, if I can't, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Damn, bro. Anyway, dude, how awesome, how fun was that sales training at RedDoc? Oh, it was great. Wasn't that a lot? Great turnout. No, you were fired, too. I knew where it was going. Yeah, you actually had some great jokes.

I was going to tell you. No, I'm just throwing them in there. I was dying. That's, you know, brought me back. You know, which surprised me the most. I want to see what you guys' opinion on this is, what shocked me was I would teach these kind of basic, you know, communication techniques that I learned

when I was 19 in my first sales training or whatever. And these were things that, you know, we took for granted because we were part of a, I forget how instrumental our fitness was in developing those skills and how much money they had invested in teaching these kinds of things. Cause I'm teaching what I think are these basic, kind of, you know, these are surface level,

but important skills and techniques. And trainers are like, my mind was blown. I didn't even know that you should be able to say these things or talk about those things that way. And I was just like, oh shit, nobody's teaching this anymore. Yeah, I don't think so. I know it was funny because it was like a flashback.

It took me right back to when we were all kind of, going through that process and practicing the sharpening of the sales skills. Someone asked a question at the end about how the four of us have made it this long as partners and not like choked each other out and what we think of partnerships and stuff like that. And one of the things that moment

why we were there and that question really reminded me is, something that we did when we first started this business was we were all on the same page with our Y. I mean, there was as crazy as it may have sounded when we first started, we really, our intentions were to change the fitness industry. It wasn't like, oh, right. We didn't sit down and go like,

oh, we're gonna make money from this and this and this and this, it was like, listen, this is the problems that we see in our space and this is what we think we can do. And we all were so, we all agreed on it so much. Like, that was our purpose. And so, what was cool was, there was a moment when somebody asked that and I did I was reminded of how important it is even as you you start to have success and a business grows and takes off that you

Continuously revisit your why because it's really easy when you start to take off and the money starts coming in There's all these opportunities and you're all over the place to get really distracted by that. And I think if we allowed that to happen all the time and we didn't revisit our wise, I think that we probably would have imploded at one point. A totally. But doing that and being there that night,

it just reminds me of, this is our why. This is why we did this because there's no nothing else that we do is probably going to impact people as much as those live events because the live events, especially those ones like that one cell that you were teaching is, you know, those are all other fitness leaders. I mean, there's all you had physical therapists and chiropractors and doctors and other trainers and gym owners. I mean, you had it all that we're in there. And those people are out there touching, you know, hundreds of lives.

And so to be able to give to them and to positively impact them, like, that's really what this is all, but that's going to, if there's anything that's going to move the needle as far as that, yeah, that may not return dollars in our pockets right there, but that's going to, it's towards our life. It's fully in line with who we are and what we're trying to do. And the most telling part of that whole conversation I had with the people there, it was,

and it was a good maybe two hours of the training, but the most telling part was in the very beginning when I asked everybody there to tell me, raise your hand and tell me what got you into this industry in the first place. Not one person said it was to make a lot of money and be successful.

And there's nothing wrong with being successful and wanting to make money. But the reason why that was so telling is because fitness is the people who work in fitness, who really work with people, it is a passion driven, meaning driven choice. Like everybody who does it is because I just want to help people. I love fitness. I see what it's done for me. I can see what it does for other people. These are people who are driven by this purpose

that I find incredible. And so when I hear that from people and I'm like, yes, like this is, this is why I want to talk to these people. I mean, it was, it was a, it was a complete blast. Yeah, that's the core. I mean, getting, getting back to, you know, sort of in its pure form, you know, like talking to these trainers, it just, it just reminds you, um, you know, how, how we all started and, and why we started and what we do, like, and why we do this. So it was great. On that note, the the mine pump and the

moose us that we're doing that's coming up that actually. So the original idea was, you know, we had this really nice little area at this, you know, I don't know what you'd call those a speakeasy type of bar cool outside area where we're at. We had reserved this nice area that would fit about 80 to 100 people and And we didn't know what kind of response we would get when we put that out. Well, right away, all of those sold. And so Taylor was meeting with the guy who owns the place and set it all up.

And because there was such a great response, we're gonna take the over the whole place. So we got more tickets. So there's more tickets, and which is really cool that we'll have that that whole place now. We're not going to be sharing it. It's like the roof of the public or anything. So it'll be just, I mean, sorry, I got excited. It'll be just, it'll be just mind pump people. So I'm excited. How do you get to it again? Is

it, uh, mind pump event or was it dug? You remember my pump live, mind pump live.com, um, you know what? And speaking of which, something really, so we, you know, you talked about our purpose and why we're doing what we're doing and why we're able to stick together, even though often, and people don't see this, and sometimes they hear it on air, but people don't see off air. We oftentimes disagree. So it's like we agree on everything, or at least agree with the methods, or, you know, the way we communicate certain things.

In fact, sometimes our disagreements are loud and they last a while. And we debate in the air. But because we have that overarching purpose, we get through them and we're like one unit. But the other reason is I think we've been doing this long enough and we're at an age now where we have maturity and wisdom to check our egos Because when you look at like a good example to me of What what happens when egos get in the way is when you look at like bands?

You know music is another passion driven industry people don't get into music Just because they're like I just want to make a lot of money that happens But oftentimes people get into music is like I fucking love the music, right? It very rarely happens, you make money. Right, and then sometimes they make a lot of money and then what's happening, they're fucking egos blow up and then the band breaks apart or whatever. This is a very common story.

And so I was watching this, you guys need to fucking watch this on Netflix. Called The Dirt. Oh, The Motley Crew One? It's the story of Motley crew I heard it was really good. Oh dude. First of all those guys were Like maniac insane berserkers insane maniac. I don't know how they're alive Nikki six almost hit he can be almost killed in a self I don't know how many times

Insane these guys were absolutely like a fifth of Whatever like whiskey. He got two adrenaline shots to the heart to bring him back at one point. Are you eluding that we were the Motley crew of podcasting? We are the Motley crew of podcasting, we are. Not that hardcore, dude. Hold on a second, we might have been. Hold on a second, we might have been.

Here's what I'm going with that. Imagine if we did this, imagine if we were all 20. Oh, God. 19, 20, when this all happened. Yeah, yeah, I've been known for a cake standard too. Dude, no, I'm serious. We would have, it would have been like Motley Crude. It would have been, it would have been a crazy three-year run

that we would have, someone would have died or something crazy would have happened. Yeah. And that's the other aspect of it is we're older and we have that experience. Yeah. Cause the egos would have taken over, dude. Cause I mean, you see these kids,

they're young rock stars and the shit that they, they just go fucking. Yeah, I know. It Cause I mean, you see these kids, they're young rock stars and the shit that they just go fucking. Yeah, I know. It's interesting, cause, you know, I mean, in terms of rock stars that are out there right now, like back in the day, that was like the, I mean, when you were, when you made it,

like you almost kind of had to act a certain way to pull off, I'm the rock star, I'm the axle rose that goes out there, it's fucking, like yells at the, you know, crowd of, if anything isn't perfect and like, I'm the rocks. I'm the actual rose that goes out there. It's like yells at the, you know, crowd of if anything isn't perfect and like, I'm out here, you know, like just pre-Madonna. I wonder like how many artists are even out there like that anymore. I don't know, but these guys were like that, dude. They just destroys hotels. They fucking did crazy amounts of drugs. They were vincen particular was just a maniac.

You know, the story of Ozzy Osborne, right, when they went on tour with Ozzy? Have you guys heard the story? Biting off the bird, you mean that one? No, no, no. That's it. No, so there's a story. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that's true. You're more disgusted. So this is even worse. This is even worse. So Ozzy Osborne is obviously the king of fucking insane. He's done the crazy shit. Yeah, he's like, he's a man. Yeah, he's like, you know, certifiably crazy.

So they won on tour with Ozzy, which I think is hilarious. And by this point, Ozzy now, he's been, he'd been fucking a rock star now for at least 10 years by this point, right? It's like 1986 or whatever. So they're going on tour and they're out in this hotel in the pool area and, you know, Motley Cruz out there getting hammered.

And I heard the story. Apparently it's true, you can lay it's a true story. So they're out there partying. Ozzy Osaborin comes out half smashed and he's wearing a woman's dress. And everybody's like, oh Ozzy, what's up? He's like, what's up? You have fuckers and he's talking shit and he goes,

and he's trying to give them like advice. And he's like, listen, when you're out there on the tour, shit gets crazy. He goes, it'll take your life man. It'll take your life and they'll laugh. And they're like, that's it, we love that shit and he goes, no, you don't understand. And so then he jumps down the ground,

he goes, give me your straw, takes the guy's straw and snorts up a line of ants. I knew it off the ground. I heard that like before, okay, so they actually shoved footage of this. Oh yeah, so he's stuck those like an urban legend. No, it's not footage, it's all reenacted, right? But it's a true story.

Snorts up the ants, everybody's freaking out. They're laughing their asses off. He goes, you think that's crazy. And then he takes a pee on the fucking deck, and then he gets down and licks up his own pee. Oh my god. So now everybody's like, what the fuck? And they're laughing, they're like,

Ozzy's fucking crazy. So Nikki Six, who is also a maniac, and he's thinking like, you're thinking, oh shit, this guy's out doing it. He's out showing everybody how crazy, because I don't give a fuck, I'll do that too. Takes a P, goes down, Ozzy pushes him out of the way,

licks fucking his p.o. Oh my God. And everybody's like, you're okay. You win, like why though? That's a true story. You know, you did it. You did it. You did it a post or a meme,

I think it was yesterday on, I think is so true counter culture Yes, and it was a picture of a guy from 1980 and he had like the anarchy tattoo and a shoulder and he was flipping off He had the spike mask at mohawk died hair and then the 2018 counter culture and it was like a guy with his kid and his wife. Yeah I'm like, that's not true. It is though. I mean, it's kind of this, that's what we're seeing right now. It's that's why that's that's I'm telling you right now.

There's going to be a net flander's bad. There's going to be a, there's a, a growing wave of youth that are like, we actually, we we actually value the things that you get from abstaining from certain things and from structure. It's gonna start to grow because everything's so accessible. Now that everybody's starting to realize that's not the key.

And you know what's crazy about this? That actually is funny. Did you guys see, and whatever, did you guys see Amanda Bucci's post? Yes. I'm so glad you brought that up. I'm so glad you So she did this whole post and then she wrote this whole article about first of all okay first of all before you go into it The thing that right away hit me is like why like why do it or why

Yeah, exactly why why why display it and talk about it I that's what I don't understand. I don't understand what the point of, because I mean, teach their own. I'm not here to judge anybody who's, if you're not hurting anybody, whatever. Right, that's how I think we all agree and believe on that. But what is my sexuality? Have anything to do with my business and my following

in the people that I mean, unless you're trying to influence and encourage them to do the same thing. I think you're looking for, you know, I'm speculating here, yeah. You want people to validate you to make you feel like it's okay and whatever. And look, if you're not hurting anybody, I don't care,

but here's the thing that I find surprising. And what surprises me the most is that the fitness, health and wellness space is the space that seems to be pushing this lifestyle, but the way that they're promoting it as an evolved way of living. They're not saying, this is what I do

and I have fun and whatever, they're saying. Interesting how you can go to just go to burning man and then come back and now I'm into like multiple relationships. Yeah, okay, so interesting for me. So hear me out on this. Hear me out on this. These same people who are in health and wellness who understand the value of abstaining

and structure around food and activity. So these same people will tell you, you can't just fucking eat cake and cookies and shit all the time. Even though you desire and want those things, you don't because they bring you poor health. So in reality, you have to learn to have a good relationship with food and eat things that really serve your body. They understand that. They understand the value of that. But then they go to relate with sex and relationships and they say oh, it's it's evolved to just have sex with everybody because that's what our desires wants and It's great and it's challenging. You know why it's challenging. I have why I'm a sex it is

Totally and again, I don't care. It's like you know teach their own again. If you're not hurting anybody then that's fine But I will tell you something right now, I think it's far more evolved to identify your desires and lusts and all these things. Just like you have for food, just like you have for drugs, just like you have for sloth and not wanting to work out. My desires is sit on the couch and watch TV all day long, but I make structures and do these things and I abstain from leisure sometimes because I know it's better for me just like I do with food.

Being with somebody that you commit to and saying we are going to abstain from these things and develop a deep long relationship because here's what happens at some point. At some fucking point you get old. At some point sex is gone. It's just this. It's just, if you live a long healthy life in your 90, you're probably not

going to have tons of sex or whatever. What do you have left? You have this other relationship, this deepness that you've developed. So I don't think it's a bit of evolving. Yeah, your entire relationship around sex and how to like, you know, figure out how to keep it spicy and everything like crazy. If that's like what you're leading how to keep it spicy and everything crazy. If that's what you're leading out with, I mean, obviously that's gonna have a shelf life to it. If that's what you're looking to seek out in a relationship primarily,

and it's an attraction based. Yeah, so to me, it's just tough. It's an interesting new message that this is so popular right now. It's really not new, right? It this is so popular right now. It's the it's like it was really not new right It wasn't it was huge in the in the 60s and you know 60s and 70s and big deal right it's because These and this is that whole you know Carl Jung said beware of unearned wisdom So here you are you take these mind expands expanding

hallucinogenic drugs which which are very, very powerful tools. And you don't have any guidance, you don't have any real training, you don't have somebody who's like a real spiritual shaman or anybody who's really coaching you on this. And you just do it and you come out and you're like, oh, I have all this wisdom now. And I should just, yeah, you know, it is a struggle to be with one person because I want to fuck lots of people. Why don't we just fuck lots of people and still date? You know, they just call that back in the day,

just people you got sex with. Yeah. Right, being single. Yeah, one is called being single. Yeah, just say, hey, we'll have sex if I can. You have a good relationship with some of these. Like, that's the part that I don't understand about announcing something like that.

Yeah. Like, you're not in a relationship. You're not. You're fooling yourself to think you're in a relationship. It's attempting to put a scaffolding and structure around. You know, it's like somebody, you're exactly right. It's like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, Iros and my calories, and then it's all gonna be okay. No, it doesn't work that way. It's no different than saying, if I could engineer and design pizza and cake

and all these crazy, hyper-political foods to be healthy, then all of our problems will be solved. No, they won't, because most of what you gain from learning how to eat properly is not because the food that you're eating it's the process along the way. that's really where it comes from. And it's no different. So, to say it's evolved, I completely disagree.

I think everybody to each their own again. Yes, it fit in those sprinkled doughnut holes. But it is interesting how the fitness and health and wellness, there's a whole segment of the space that's the ones that are pushing that, which to me, and it's just, you know, they are, they're fit, good looking people's all this. Do you think that is, or again, like I always like to me, and it's just, you know, they are they're fit, good looking people's all this. Do you think that is, or again, like I always like to challenge the way we think

with stuff like this, is it just our bubble? Is it just this little bubble that we're in right now that, you know, we're directly connected to the on a crew which are openly all like that too. We know that. And most of people that I think that follow them religiously know that too. Lots of people on the radio too, really.

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that. Jason Ellis, I know, is one. Yeah, there's lots of this talk of polyamorism, I've heard a lot lately and it's interesting to me. It's got a nice name now, you know, he's called Free Love. Yeah, you know, is what they used to call it. I don't know, man, at the end of the day, here's the bottom line, and this reminds me

of another article I'll bring up in a little bit. At the end of the day, here's the bottom line. And this reminds me of another article I'll bring up in a little bit. At the end of the day, the person that you need to show the most empathy and love and respect to first is yourself. And if you treat yourself like something to be respected and valued, typically don't just lend it out to, to be with whoever you want or whatever. And that's just my personal experience.

And again, I'm not trying to judge. Like, I think if you're not hurting anybody, you're doing great. You know what I'm saying? But I just, I just think the, I don't know, I think it's irresponsible by people at that level. I think that if it's something that somehow you figured this out and it works for you and it serves you, then biomeans. But I don't think that, especially if you're in a place like that where I mean, she's got a massive following. I know the on a crew has

a massive following. I just, you could argue all you want that it's evolved or whatever, but let's be honest then, the 90% of the people that are paying attention to you are not on that level whatsoever. And you're probably going to end up fucking sending them down a terrible path of destruction, of despair, of fucking bad relationships and jealousy and all this shit that comes with that. And so I find it a little bit irresponsible for someone to do that at that level. And that's just me. I mean, again, I'm not judging what they decide to do. Like, if you want to go do that, then go do that. You know, there was a time in my life in Katrina, even when I shared with her, she's like, you said you could have been like that. And I said, well, yeah, no, I talked about when we first went to on it, that this

is like this at 25 years old, this is what I would have wanted. I would have wanted. And you gotta think about that. Why at 25 and not now at 36 or 37? Right, because I've lived parts of that life, right? And I know what it's like to be in multiple relationships at once and I know what it's like to be honest with all of them and they know of each other. But it's not what everybody thinks it is

until you get involved in it and you do it. It's more work, you know? It's less happiness, it's more work. You know, it's less happiness. It's not more, it's more challenging. And then, you know, I know she presents it in her thing, like, you know, this is the universe trying to challenge me. I'm like, okay, maybe.

Or it's like a really old smart guy who's figuring out that you're on a bunch of hot shakes. And it's like, this is definitely the girl that I want to convince. You know, it's crazy about this. Is if you look at men and women generally and naturally, women are far more selective with their mates naturally. Of course, on an individual basis, this totally can break down.

But we're talking about general here. And evolutionarily speaking, it makes sense because for all of human history, except for relatively recently, women bore the burden of the potential consequence of sex, which was getting pregnant. And for most human history, that could be a death sentence, especially if you didn't have a hunter that partnered with you, that would help. Hunt for you and take care of you,

especially during the last trimester of pregnancy when you're not able to do many things. So women are far more selective. And I think this whole movement of polyamory of having sex with lots of people and not worrying about being committed or whatever, it's almost a trick that men have promoted and promoted. This is like, hey, everybody do this and people are buying it.

I read the same Chris Reim book, you know, I read Sex Adon and it was a great read, it was an incredible read. Katrina and I read it together, incredibly challenging for a relationship to read that. But what it ended up, and I think what I saw is how it affected something. Some people used that book to give them as the excuse

to go out and go do that. Her and I looked at it completely different. What it gave us was empathy for each other, for why it's so challenging to not go out and fuck everybody. It was like, yeah, it's kind of in our nature, right? It's kind of, it's animal instinct to want to go do those things, but we've evolved this human beings. And so, in my opinion, to be more involved is to recognize the dangers,

the bad things that come with that, and then learning to abstain from that. So it only strengthened Katrina and I's bond together, because it did. It gave more empathy for each other like, man, wow, you get bond barred at all time by the opposite sex wanting to throw that you the fact that you still to abstain to be just with me. That's the growth. Yeah, exactly.

Abounded us tighter instead of looking at it like some people go, oh, wow, you know, as monkeys, we used to just to fuck everybody. So maybe that's how we're supposed to be today. As fucking, that's not smart. Our animal instincts, we did a lot of things like throw shit at people and stuff in fact and like probably not a good idea to do that. What is fitness, health and real true wellness all about? It's acknowledging your animal instincts but developing practices because you are evolved.

Oh, that's all it's all it's all it's about. Because your animal instincts tell you to eat whatever the fuck is in your face, that tastes good and not eat what doesn't taste good. Your animal instincts tell you to not do hard work, just relax and be leisure and lazy. Your animal instincts tell you to seek pleasure at every given moment.

So if you had access to drugs, do all the fucking drugs. But what is health and wellness teach you? What's the wisdom that comes from that? Yeah, it's having control over all your urges. I mean, that's one of those things. It's like, I don't wanna eat the entire cake. I do wanna eat the entire cake, but I won't because of the aftermath of it.

You know, and like, it's very similar to that. Like, it's tough. It's tough to be in a relationship with one person for like eternity. You know, it's like, wow, that's kind of a crazy ask. But you could throw statistics at it all day. Like, it's not gonna work. Like, you know, and so therefore, we shouldn't even try.

Look, all the major religions of the world have been around for thousands of years. And they exist and impact people. And now religion, just like any powerful tool, can be manipulated and used for bad and trust me, lots of bad things have happened because of religions. But they exist for a reason and that's because there is lots of wisdom in all these religions, whether it's Buddhism, whether it's Christianity, Islam, whether it's Hinduism, they all contain a tremendous amount of wisdom. Now look inside deep in them and what you'll find is practices around how you live, practices

around how you eat, practices around sex. They all have practices around sex. Why? Because all these religions found wisdom in the fact that if you just go with your animal instincts, shit, in reality is great and as awesome as it feels on the surface on a deeper level, level it can become poison. And this is with all those things.

And look what we're encountering right now in modern times. We have access to all, look at celebrities. Celebrities have all the sex, all the money, all the drugs, all the food, all the leisure they could ever want. Look at their suicide rate. It's insane. Celebrities are constantly depressed and addicted to drugs and killing themselves, and they have all this shit.

So you know the answer is not there. The answer is in abstinence in certain way structure and in value. It's in call it's meaning. It's not in the fun all the time. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. And I'm not judging anybody that's in the middle that by all means no, but if we're gonna teach wellness like oh I agree You know teach well I agree hey this weekend you did you do another one of your all-day workouts? Dude I love oh man. I get every time I do when I invite us again Well because I did the all-day workout so you know what I did this time That's how you know how I found out I was actually inviting him to work out with me. Oh My all day workout. So you know what I did this time? That's how you know how I found out. I was actually inviting him to work out with me. And he was like, I'm doing my all day thinking I'm right.

I'm like, yeah. No, it's great. Every time I do it, I get a little stronger. I build a little bit of muscle. And then it's really inspiring because I write in between the workouts and I find that, it only takes me 20 minutes to do the workout.

Except pick three exercises that you three sets Five reps. Are you rotating the exercises? Are you pretty much picked this I've done different exercises each time But this time I did the three that I did the very first time which was squat bench press and row just major kind of movements Mm-hmm And what I did is I took cordyceps Throughout the workout the four-sigmatic cordy, because I needed, I wanted the stamina and energy, but I knew if I took caffeine, at some point I would crash. I was a bonky.

Yeah, so I stayed away from the caffeine, I did the cord sets. I did the workout. No, the thing between. The last time you did it, did you use the cord sets, or was this the first time you used them? No, this is the first time I did the cord sets, and I did notice a difference,

because it's a different kind of energy and stamina. It's not like, you know, I'm not wired from it. I just feel like I can keep working out. But just like the last time, the second and third workout, I got way stronger, fourth and fifth. I started losing my strength. The fifth workout, inflammation started setting in. Now, since you were riding, did you notice it made it,

did it have any cognitive benefits? I was. What would you ride about? Oh, so I rode, and it's not up yet, but I rode a guide on digital digital wellness. Oh nice. Yeah Cool cool. Yeah, so I wrote a whole thing on and practices and stuff. I'm so fucking glad we're going here Yeah, I really I'm really I mean this has been on me for the last couple years And I know what we teased me for a while for reading the book but man

I there's there's not like the first whistleblower well you know It was it that's why it was just so impactful when I read it, that it just was, it blew my mind. I was somebody who never had to have a cell phone around him, didn't really use it that much. I wasn't on fucking Facebook, my, my space, all those, those things. And then we, we've decided to build this business that was literally the foundation of it, was built on social media and a platform like this that we use our phone for.

And, you know, I like to think I'm a self-aware person and I saw my own behaviors and habits that were being formed and created from all these things now. And then I also started to see the effects of that in all of my relationships, in my relationship with Katrina, in my relationship with my best friends.

You know, it's always a great reminder when I go back and I see my two child-of-best friends because we've done everything together since we were in fourth grade. And we've seen each other consistently our entire lives, but we've all kind of gone off and did different careers and different things they have family and kids now. And when I go hang out with them,

like they never have their cell phones. They never have that. Now when I'm with a lot of my friends over here and a lot of work and business friendships and relationships that we have, a lot of us are all in the mix of podcasting, Instagram, Facebook, World, and marketing. And so it's very normal that we all have our phones with us

and out and using them and everybody really gives each other ship because it's you understand. Like if I'm sitting there and I'm hanging out with one of our you know podcasting buddies or friends and they pull their phone out like and they start working a little bit or answering something it's like I do that too right so I get it but I'm reminded when I go back and I see these relationships that I've had for a really long time. And I also pay attention to like the connection and the interaction that we have with each other.

And I go like, man, fuck, this is, yeah. This has gotten out of control. It's gotten to the point where, especially the younger, younger generation, the eye generation, they've grown up so much with technology that their behaviors have solidified with these devices. So what happens when we know this through nutrition? When you're trying to help somebody eat healthier, but they've never developed good eating habits,

they've never developed a good relationship with food that just starts starting as a child. It's hard to do even the smallest change because those behaviors have been solidified for two or three or four decades, right, or longer. So when you're talking about, you know, doing digital wellness practices, for example, here's a simple one, this one's really easy. Easy, it's simple, excuse me, but not easy. Tell people, hey, you know, starting right now, here's a good, well, digital wellness practice,

don't take your phone with you into the bathroom when you go sit on the toilet. And people are like, oh, that was suck, I don't wanna do that. It's supposed to watch the paint peel. And it's like, yeah, you just sit in there and just be quiet. That alone makes it so difficult for people. It's interesting that really, how bad my poop is.

That you wrote about this right now, the whole man-to-bootie thing that we just talked about, I think it's another example of this. Right now, it's going to be really hard to try and convince people. So be interesting like after you release the guide, I'm really curious to see how much you get, because we can track, we pay attention to all the stuff that you write and how it gets shared and if it goes viral or it doesn't. I'm really curious if how far ahead we are on this or if it's the right time for people

and people are ready to hear that message because right now I see lots of celebrating all the things that we have with tech and not a lot of people are talking about okay well what how do we use it right? right and what are some of the bad things if we don't actually pay attention to that and we just like you just pleasure pleasure pleasure use use use use the time. And we don't think about, well, what could that potentially do to some of our relationships? And what am I doing to my brain?

And what am I doing? Like, here's a great one right here, just like with food. And the reason why a digital wellness has really struck a chord with us for the last couple of years is because it's directly, it's just like any other wellness practice you have, including like nutrition. Like, what happens when you eat hyper-palatable food

all the time? How does your perception of normal whole natural food change? Right? Totally distorted. Right, so what happens when you're on your tech, your phone all the time, and by the way, technology is an incredible gift.

It's an incredible tool. It's just how you use it. So I don't wanna come across as saying, we're anti-tech, because we're definitely not. But let's say you're on your phone all the time and you're getting those dopamine hits constantly, constantly, your brain adapts. It adapts to receiving these dopamine hits all the time.

So what ends up happening is, bored and quiet become far more painful than bored and quiet used to be. Bored becomes outright, I can't even handle it. And if you're listening right now and you're thinking, oh, this sounds crazy, literally try this. Well, this is the next time you stand in a long line, don't pull out your phone and see how fucking painful it is.

If you're like, if it's unbearable, it's because your brain is adapted to the crazy dopamine hits that you're getting from. Well, I told you what Inzo said, right? I mean? I mean that's why I love that kid is that he is Very open right and he shares that which is nice as it gives us this pulse on this younger generation That's 17 years old right now and he said dude 15 minutes. He gets anxiety He's like after hearing that first episode you guys talked about the digital wellness I started to trying to abstain and trying not have a look at my phone every five minutes

He goes I he says I've clocked it. He goes 15 minutes and I start to get all like fucking shaky and angry. But this is the Jesus. So we're talking about like, you know, digital wellness is probably the next big frontier in the wellness space. But generally speaking, if I go larger and let look more wide and philosophical, the answer to modern life moving forward is gonna be all about abstaining, all about abstaining. Because we have all of it. And think about what we've been saying since way back

when we hung out with Tom Billi, anything that can be free will be free. We're only, we're heading in a time. I mean, we have everything we want. And this is the funny thing, and here's the thing about free societies and free markets. Free markets allow humans to pursue their self-interest and work together to do so in the most efficient ways possible.

And so what you end up seeing with markets is this stuff that we want and desire gets built and made really, really fast. And we're going to learn, we're going to learn learn and I hope it's not the hard way that getting everything that we really want all of our desires and immediate Wants are gonna be met. We're gonna all the food we want all the fucking relaxing time We want all the fun and in in distractions that we want all the altering our brain chemistry We want everything that we want and we're gonna end up being like what the why are we so? depressed and anxious and lost and then we're gonna end up being like, what, why are we so depressed and anxious and lost? And then we're gonna go back and be like,

oh, let's look at the ancient wisdom. Those fucking people knew what they were talking about. Well, here's the thing too, I don't wanna be all hippie about it either. Like, I don't think, I don't wanna demonize these tools. I think that it's just like we talk about food. Like, we don't demonize having cake or doing things like that, but becoming aware, that's all, I mean, that's it.

Just, I think that's the message is just, hey, listen, I, you know, just think about it for a second, like, and pay attention to these things and what it could potentially do to you. I'm not saying, don't use your phone, don't do those things. Absolutely. Use all those things. There are incredible tools that have helped us. Don't, I mean, don't not have a piece of cake at your son's birthday. Do those fucking things. Is there a maintain control over it? So your behaviors aren't dictated based off of like reacting to the phone. It's you are determining those boundaries.

You're intentional. Yeah, you're intentional every time you're using it. Yeah, even if it's leisure, you know, even if you wanna go on and waste time, it's intentional. Hey, I'm gonna, you know what, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go on for 30 minutes and just go through Instagram and just waste time.

And you're more productive that way too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Hey, I'm gonna, you know what, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go on for 30 minutes and just go through Instagram and just waste time. But it's intentional. But it's intentional. But it's intentional. And we're productive that way too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You sent over on the thread, Sal, a vegan thing in floating. What was that all about? There's all these vegan, on YouTube.

Yeah, there's all these, there's this whole vegan community on YouTube of these young YouTube stars that do vegan gains and stuff like that. Yeah, that just, you have these huge followings through promoting like a vegan lifestyle or a raw vegan lifestyle. And what's happening is they're falling like dominoes. And the reason why they're falling is

either they're getting caught eating meat or fish or they're coming out and saying, I was vegan for four years. I have to. Who's the girl that had to like apologize because you got caught eating fish or something? She's like? She did. And she said that it was because her doctor told her to,

because she had to, because of her health. Then there's that one dude that, that one high level athlete that I can't remember his name. He might be in the article. I'll see if I can pull it up. But he said that he had the eggs again. And after he ate eggs, you're gonna love this. He said he ejaculated for the first time in years.

Oh my God. Because his health had gone so bad, I know. In that case, years? Yeah, yep, yep. For years. A couple weeks didn't go by and things are bastard. Right? Well, you know what, when you're,

when you become, when it becomes a religion. Yeah, you know. And because what happens is a lot of vegans are motivated by empathy towards animals, not for health. Then they start to justify it with health, right? But it's all about like, I want to be empathetic towards animals. I think killing animals is immoral.

And so they become vegan based on that. And that is, you know, it's a very powerful motivator. And so they tend to ignore a lot of the symptoms that happen many times when you're pure vegan, which is nutrient deficiencies. And yeah, and all kinds of crazy. What's that guy's name, Doug? Tim Sheep.

Tim Sheep. Oh, wow, he was on what the health and forks overnight. Yeah. He was a free running champion or whatever. And he had to eat eggs in salmon. Wow. Damn that. Now when you're somebody who is on those documentaries promoting that stuff, then you

come out. That's another thing too. The vegan community rips them. Oh, I bet. Oh, dude. They're probably venomous towards them. Oh, one of the girls comes out and then she's getting messages like, no wonder you look bloated and, youated and look at me.

I'm so skinny because I'm still vegan. You look like shit. It's terrible. Damn. Terrible shit, bro. Wow. That whole community's, and I wrote about this and I said, the thing about this, I think,

and I know I'm gonna get hammered for this. First of all, I understand that there's a lot of empathy involved with being a vegan, and I admire it. Like, you're doing it because you think something's immoral and you're doing it through action. And I admire that because there's a lot of people that pretend to care about shit and don't actually do any actions behind it and those people are full of shit. You actually follow through, and you have a belief. But, you know, so here's something that Paul Chek said that I thought that was important. He said, you don't want the most important animal to be empathetic towards, first and

foremost as yourself. And if you're following a diet that is hurting you, your empathy is being misplaced because you're not being empathetic to yourself. And when you're eating a pure vegan diet, it can definitely be done in a way to where you can probably, you can live the done in a way to where you can probably, you can live the rest of your life doing it, but the only reason why it can be done today is because of modern technology. And vegans oftentimes need to take supplements and you have to be very, very well planned

and informed on how to organize and structure your diet. Because if you just say, I'm just not eating any animal products and you just eat whatever and you think, oh, this is healthy. I think this is a, you might, you don't know when you when you eliminate one of the most nutrient dense foods that we can find out There which is meat when you think about all meats, okay? The some of the most nutrient dense foods are meat and when you completely just say hey, I'm gonna do I'm gonna try and follow this that falling a diet period is hard right? We've already that we falling a diet period, it's hard, right?

If only a diet period is really, really challenging and difficult, then if you're going to eliminate the foods that have some of the most resources for you nutritionally, and then say, you're gonna, doesn't mean it can't be done, but it means holy shit, you've got an uphill battle. It's gonna be a lot harder to do that. And like you said, so, I commend those

that have this ability that if you, you do have feelings for the animals and you have made a choice that, hey, I am gonna take the more difficult path. And I'm going to do these things and have to plan my day out. And I know it's gonna be challenging to get all those nutrients,

but I care that much about this movement that I'm gonna be a part of it. The problem that I have with it is all the justification that's coming around around it being so healthy and it's so easy and trying to debone. If we had stomachs like cows, you know, like if we were set up biologically to just eat plants, you know, that would be a different story, but we're not like we need like meat. And it's removing yourself from nature in a sense, like the circle of life. So it's like, we're trying to create something new as humans, and it's just not working.

You would not survive in nature if you were trying to be vegan in a natural hunter-gatherer environment. You wouldn't, because plants don't grow, you don't get the wide variety that you get the supermarket now because of modern technology to where you can fill in holes. Now meat provides you with pretty much everything you need.

And so I'm not saying veganism is wrong, what I'm saying is, if you're going to be a vegan for ethical reasons, first of all, it's hard enough to eat a healthy diet when you eat meat. And that provides you with a lot of essential nutrients. You take all the meat out, you better plan your shit, you better really inform yourself and be smart about what you're doing and understand what you need to supplement with or know what food combinations you need to eat because

otherwise you'll end up with like some nutrient deficiencies in issues where a lot of these girls are like I didn't get my period for four years and you know I had SIBO and all kinds of different health issues because of something that they were doing that that thought that was healthy. All right. This quads brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap

with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-added edge. Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com That's a large a N I F I dot com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout First question is from Michael Sousel What are some exercises you guys hate doing but no we are good for you?

Oh, I you know, I have one that see we talk on the podcast about this. And I think a one of the things I didn't say about this actually this movement is that I fucking dreaded it and hated it forever, which was Bulgarian split squats. So I have posted about it. I've talked positively about it, but I never shared the history of that that movement for me. It's not like I just found out about Bulgarian split squats. I've talked positively about it, but I never shared the history of that movement for me. It's not like I just found out about Bulgarian split squats. I've known about Bulgarian split squats for a very long time. They just didn't consistently get into my routine until like the last five years or so. So I for the first 10 years, I hate it. And I would just every once in a while because I'd read some research on it or find something out. And

then I'd go to the gym and do it and be like, fuck this, oh, cause I don't wanna do this. So I wouldn't do it. I'm just being straight up. I'm gonna go do something else. I step up, fucking leg press, anything but that. And it wasn't until I started to first really address

my mobility and get to place. And so the limiting factor, let me back up a little bit. Part of why I think I hated it so much is because I really lacked the mobility to perform it really well. My ankle mobility and my hip mobility was so terrible that it was just painful. It was embarrassing, I'll be honest.

I remember having girlfriends that would, we'd be both doing, because girls love that exercise, right, they've been marketed to a million times about how great bogey In but split squats are great for but so every girl does them and so I'm doing them You know many times like this when I've got a girl with me and you know It's fucking embarrassing when I'm she's doing as much or more weight than I am on it because I'm struggling to get it to do it So I avoided them like the plague forever until I addressed the ankle and hip issues that I was dealing with. And then I could get into a place where I could

actually do them really well and feel actually comfortable doing them. And then when I started to press them, it was just game changer, game changer for me. And it's a movement that I didn't do forever. Now I do it now. So I know that you still, do you still hate them? No, I actually love them now. And this is why I wanted to bring that up is because I've had this relationship with many different exercises, squats. I could go in and talk about the history of squatting for me.

It's the same way. And this is again, something that I say on the podcast a lot. Normally what's best for you are the things that you're not doing. And you know, these movements that we know that are good And you you avoid them because they're difficult You know those are the ones that you should be working towards and if it's like in my case where it's limiting factors because of Mobility you shouldn't just hang it up and say oh I can't do that. I can't do squats because of x y and z

It's like how about you address the reason why you can't do them, and that's you working towards getting to a place where you can squat. Yeah, I have a love hate relationship with barbell squats. I've been barbell squatting forever, as long as I've been working out. And, you know, I'm okay, Adam. I've got pretty good at doing them at one point,

but nothing exhausts me like hard set of barbell squats. And I don't know what it is exactly. I can do any other exercise hard, and squats always make me way more tired and way more wasted. Like if I do three hard 12 reps sets of squats, the rest of the workout suffers because it just takes so much out of me. So I have this like, but I love them because,

when I move away from squats when I go back to them, I just see great results. My legs develop, my back develops, I feel stable, I feel strong. It improves my mobility. So I love them because of the benefits that they give me. And years ago, when I've told the story many times, I first started barbell squatting when I was,

I think it was 16. And because of barbell squats and deadlifts, I gained like 15 pounds over a summer. I remember building all this muscle. So I love them for the effects that they give me, performing them. They're just grueling. I have to be in the right mental state

to do a barbell squat. Whereas other exercises, I can get into it and start loving it. But if I to be in the right mental state to do a barbell squat, whereas other exercises, I can get into it and start loving it. But if I'm not in the right mental state for squats, it's I end up cutting myself short. Yeah, I threw out pull ups there in the very beginning, and I'm serious about that to where I couldn't stand pull ups. And it was mainly because when I was going through sports,

the major goal for me was to build mass and to build muscle and to get really strong at these core foundational lifts, squats, bench press, overhead press, lots of pressing, and then power clean, so even a little bit of deadlifting, but not intense deadlifting like I'll try and do now. But in terms of pulling overhead, I just was not doing that. And so on top of that, like gaining all this mass, now like the strength to weight ratio,

I'm having to deal with the fact that I have all this like a mass than I haven't accounted for it because I'm not actually You know putting myself in a position where I have to Use you know all of my strength to you know against my weight So you had to pull that big cake. I was heavy man. I was hated anchor And so that could I call me he puts the ass and man yeah So that like that gear I told guys, like I spent specifically on body weight training, like was me, like punching myself in the face, basically, like I have to do

this. Like I have to get better at pull-ups. I have to incorporate it and then I went like all in. Now it's like, you know, it comes up more regularly within my workouts, but there's still a little bit of dislike there. Yeah, it's the nine out of 10 times, the reason why you don't like in exercises, is you're not good at it. That's it, I mean, it's... Yeah, good at the exercise, and you'll probably...

You end up loving it. You'll love it. It's actually one of the most rewarding things. I mean, I'm going through this right now with swimming. When I got in the pool and I just swam across the pool, I mean, my mechanics are terrible. And I, and by where I'm at now is still, you know, it's just a little bit better than terrible. It's just bad now, right? But it's, it's that overcoming that and then getting good at it. Like what, what keeps me going every day is that I know

like actually when I get really good at it, it's fucking really, it's so rewarding to know because I know where I just, where I came from. And so when you try to, when you do a movement that you're just like, oh, I hate this. And it's like, well, there's probably some reasons why you hated it. It could be hard.

You may not have enough stamina to do some of the things you maybe weak. Those muscles are weak. You may be lacking the mobility. A lot of things, right? Or just flat out. It's a challenging movement like a squat. Like that's very mechanically driven and can be challenging for a lot of people. And it just flat out takes a lot of reps before you actually get pretty good or get in

the groove. So, you know, the thing you got to remember is that those things that suck or you hate, if you have the discipline to work towards getting better at it, man, the reward when you do is that you do, you end up loving it and it pays you back a bunch. And it's also changed your expectations. I mean, okay, you suck at an exercise. So what? You're going to hate it more like Justin with his pull-ups, probably part of the reason why you hate it pull-ups so much is because you weren't good at them when you were good at other exercises, right? Right.

But if you have no expectations, if you didn't know that you were supposed to be good at them, it might have changed your perception of whether or not you like them or not. Like, if you knew nobody could do pull-ups, but you could do too, you'd be like, cool, I like these, because now I could do too, and no one else can. I think, change your expectations. Like, when you go to the gym, don't think to yourself, I should be lifting this much, I should be able to do this much stuff. Just do it and just be okay with what you're doing. And you'll find you'll probably hate what you're doing a lot less.

Next question is from Lawless Fitness. We were sold information about meal frequency and it turns out there isn't a big difference when you eat. It's overall calories. You guys preach about training frequency with a vested interest in selling programs. What's to say, science won't disprove the need for frequency and that only volume matters. And if that happens, will you pivot and change your programs? Oh, I don't think it'll change only because this is based off of not off of science. This is based off of decades of experience training people. That being said, of course, none of us are so sold on an idea that we're afraid to change

our position. If we're working with people and something else comes out and it works better You know what we'll probably do create new programs that reflect of course our new understanding 100% we would but in this Situation because there is research is coming out and I see somebody posting something the other day about this that How how close it is to being you know even study like if if if all things are equal, if the volume is equal in the training, that the difference between someone doing it all in one workout or two workouts or three workouts, we are kind of splitting hairs.

But the part that I think that we drive home more than just the research with science is the psychological piece. You see adherence? Yes. And learn teaching people to train that way versus this all out on a muscle group and hammering the body and being super sore for X amount of days.

That comes with wisdom, training people. Right. The long term, not just for a, you know, whatever, 12 months study. Yeah, even however long it is. Like we've seen patterns within, you know, hundreds of people to where we come to these conclusions. But yeah, of course, we're gonna be open to,

well, challenge our own ideas all the time. It's like this too. If you were to compare two study groups, one group followed the way, I coach somebody nutritionally, where I say, write down what you're supposed to eat, or write down all the foods that you currently eat, then I assess it, I pick one thing

that I want them to follow and change about it, and we do that for the next two weeks, and then I add something two weeks later, and then six weeks go by, and I've only changed two or three things in their diet. You take that person, and you compare that group of people, and then you compare to another group of people that get a caloric, restricted diet

right out the gates that they have to adhere to, and we measured the people in six weeks, well guess what group is actually a show better results. Not my group. My group won't show better results, but that doesn't mean that I don't still preach that and talk that way because what I'm thinking about, I'm taking a part, I'm taking a consideration factors that these studies don't always take into consideration, the psychological piece that I want this person to create new behaviors for the rest of their life. And this also goes to the point of frequency and hammering a single body part. Sure, it might work for the body builder.

And studies might show that, you know, volume, I just had somebody tag me and ask me about this exact same question. So it's funny that we're here that maybe it maybe it does one day. I still, I don't think that I would come out and still think that the the way we're talking about Frequency is not a better way if it's show that they are negligible and I still say this about meal frequencies So I still see value in lots of meals for certain cases if you're somebody who's eating five or six thousand calories I advise five to six meals a day. It's pretty fucking hard to get four or five thousand calories in two meals.

I don't think it's a smart strategy. So there doesn't mean that, you know, the science comes out and says it's negligible just like the meal frequency, that there isn't some value for some people to use these tools. Yeah, I just think it's, I think it's superior to go to the gym and practice your lifts on your whole body more often than not,

rather than hammer a body part once a week and lose that practice throughout the week. There's that component as well. Like, you know, nine sets of squats on Monday versus three sets of squat Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Even if they built the same amount of muscle and strength, practicing it more frequently, you're gonna learn the movement, in my opinion, amount of muscle and strength, practicing it more frequently. You're going to learn the movement, in my opinion, much better because you're just doing it more frequently.

And you're less likely to overreach too much, which in our experience, okay, all the clients I've trained when somebody pushes, okay, and is motivated to lift into train hard. We're more likely to, and we see this in ourselves, still as trainers and knowing better. I'm still more likely to overreach than I am to under-train. And so it's creating good habits in people. So there's a lot, it's also, look, here's another one that just came to me, that's silly, but it's true. When you're doing one body part a week,

excuse me, a day, and you're hitting it once a week, whereas biceps on one day, chest on one day, back on one day, look, all of us have an area on our body that we don't like to train as much as the others. Guess which day people tend to skip when it's a one body part a day type routine. The one they don't like. So when you have a bunch of guys doing a body part split

and they hate working their legs, and leg days Thursday, chicken legs. They usually miss Thursday. If they have to hit legs three days a week, they probably will hit their legs at least twice, at least twice. And so what I find when I have clients do more frequent training and control the volume to be the same,

just the adherence is much better on all counts. So it really doesn't matter to me what the study says necessarily because the real world is a little bit different. And the studies definitely don't say that more frequency is worse. The studies are saying that it's either better or the same if the volume is controlled. That's what they're showing right now.

Because there's studies right now that show that more frequency is better if the volume is controlled and a new one came out that said, oh no, it's just about volume. It doesn't make a big difference. So in my opinion, the jury's still out. Nonetheless, you're better off, in my opinion, hitting the body more frequently for lots of other reasons, not just the, right, you know, muscle growth and, you know,

that kind of stuff. Well, and that's my, that was my analogy of the food thing that I talked about. Because 100% if you were to compare my way of eating or teaching my clients to eat versus somebody who gave them a calorie restrict to diet right away, the calorie restrict to diet people are gonna show better results in six weeks. And then the studies will be like,

Adam's, you know, mind pumps method of taking it slow, tracking, changing behaviors one at a time, not as effective as throwing everything but the kitchen sink at people in a six month period. Why don't you follow it for six years? Now let's see what happens. I mean, we know what happens. And this is how I feel about full body routines.

You know, when you're first beginning and you're creating these good habits, I believe this is the way to go. That's like how we met. When we met, I was just starting to piece that together after 10 years. Like this is the way to, now later on, should they or could they evolve to a program like,

map split? That's why we, that's why we did that. That's why I came out five programs later. But we still, I think the philosophy of the full body routine is going to benefit way more people, especially those people that are first coming in and learning these good habits of training. And then when you're at this level,

when you're five years deep, you've been training consistently, fucking A, by all means, I split my body up all the time. I train more like that right now. That doesn't mean that I would tell my clients to do that just because I do that. I'm in a different place in my fitness journey, than 99% of the people that I'm talking about. But I would also like to see more studies too,

because look, I tell you what, like if you do 15 sets for your back or your legs on one day versus five sets three days a week, the exercise selection tends to be different. It just does, like, I know if I'm doing five sets three days a week on my legs, the exercises I'm gonna pick from are the big most effective ones,

because I'm only doing five sets and I have the gas to do it. I can do barbell squats, three days a week if I want. I'm do it. I can do barbell squats three days three days a week if I want. I'm not gonna do 15 sets of barbell squats all in one day. It's just not gonna happen. What tends to happen is the first five sets are the good exercises and the rest are all these other exercises were because I'm fucking gas and I can't do anything else. So I'd like to see more studies on this. I'm not at all. There was one that came out and I was like, oh look it's it's only I would the tag on more studies on this. I'm not at all, there was one that came out and everybody's like, oh look, it's only one.

No, I would tag on it. That's why I thought I was fun. Did you, I don't know if you picked it? Oh yeah, I've got tagged on the same thing. And it's like, yeah, no. In the real world, I don't think so. But I'd still like to see more studies that compare back to back.

I think that, you know, if the volume is controlled, I think to a certain extent, to a certain level, of course, you can't do this to infinite. But to a certain extent, more certain level, of course, you can't do this to infinite, but to a certain extent More frequency is gonna be more but is gonna be better even when we're just controlling for strength and muscle and there are other studies to show this That's a great great question though. I love to be challenged on the way we think because yeah That's in the day if anything came out and we were like oh my god, you know, I think we were wrong We will totally change.

I have no problem doing that. We've already done it shit, the way we talked about foam rolling in the beginning, totally different the way we talk about it now. There's lots of things we've already changed our minds on. This would happen with training too. Next question is from Jay Skittles.

How important is it for a personal trainer to be in shape? Do you think a trainer who is obese can succeed? Oh, you know, I don't think it's super important for a trainer to look in shape, although it makes a difference when getting clients it always does. Right. But you're the marketability. But does it make a big difference to practice what you're preached to be a trainer? Definitely.

Definitely. It would be very hard to be successful. There's a big spectrum on this. Definitely. It would be very hard to be successful. There's a big spectrum on this. Yeah. Because you could be, and Justin loves them and pick on them right here. You could be like, no, just a wait. No, no, no, listen, for real.

You could be like someone like Justin who at first glance, doesn't look like he's this shredded trainer ripped dude, but if you see him move in the gym, you 100% know that. So there's, and there's different things that I think are important. Now, if you were somebody who's overweight and deconditioned,

you move like shit in the gym, I think that you need to be practicing what you preach more before you're going off and you're teaching others to do something. So I do think there's an area. Then I also have seen people that are complete, I've had lots of trainers who work for me like this. Never, okay?

In fact, I'm trying to rack my brain and think of at least one before I say never, but I can't think of anyone right now, talking my head. That was my most ripped, finished trainer. That was also my most successful trainer. It never happens. Just because they look a certain way,

they've only proven that they've figured it out for themselves. And a lot of times, they've spent so much time figuring it out for themselves, they spent no time communicating information to others and getting others to adhere to eating correctly and exercise. And so they're terrible trainers. So yeah, no, I don't think you need to be the ripped trainer, but I also don't think being obese is probably. I had a trainer once that worked for me who lost something like 90 pounds on his own and then came in and talked to me and has been working out fitness had changed his life. And he wanted to train other people. And you look at the guy and he was still a little

bit overweight, not massive, but he didn't look like your stereotypical like ripped fit trainer, just kind of look like an everyday guy, maybe a little bit of extra body fat. But I loved him. I loved his attitude. He had a real passion for what he was doing. And he practiced what he preached. And so we brought him on board. And guess what? He was quite successful, especially with the people who were intimidated by the shredded trainers and the people who needed to be able to connect

with someone who understood where they were coming from. Well, it's, be honest, that's more people than the other side. That's right, a lot of people want people that they can relate with. And so there's that part of, it's not quite as marketable from a visual perspective, right? So as you're walking in, who's most impressive

is gonna get the immediate attention. And, you know, and there's still a place for people that do maybe, you know, they just lost a bunch of weight, but they're still on a journey. And, you know, now they're coaching people. And so we've seen this before, and like very successful trainers have been able to relate on a level

where you're narcissistic, shredded guys are not going to be able to achieve anywhere with that person. I think this question comes because of how much that's exaggerated today. I mean, we see- It's so social media makes you see that. There's a lot of quote-unquote coaches, health coaches, nutrition coaches, trainers online now, and their whole model is built around, check out me. Look how shredded I am, take a look.

You wanna know what's funny? If you're super, super shredded and you're young and you're a trainer, it might actually hurt you. It might actually make you no joke, it might actually make you unapproachable or you'll get, people will look at you. The average client is not young. The average client that hired, because personal training is expensive.

The average personal training clients, mid-30s up to 50s, okay? So they're professionals typically a little bit more mature, a little bit more intelligent, have a little bit more money. And if you're like a 20-year-old shredded-ass personal trainer, they might look and be like, well, yeah, of course, you're 20. You know, when really, really being fit, it becomes a big bonus when you're an old personal trainer. If I've had 45 year old shredded female and male trainers, and that was the ones that clients go,

I want to hire that guy over there. He's like, 40 something years old, look at it, I want to hire that guy over there. That's when it would kind of make a difference. Other than that, you just gotta, just be healthy. Just look healthy because obviously if you look unhealthy people aren't gonna believe that you're practicing what you preach.

But it's really what's inside of you. And if you practice what you preach, you're gonna be a much better trainer than somebody who preaches health, preaches fitness, but doesn't believe in it, doesn't work out, doesn't eat right, or maybe just have great genetics, takes anabolic steroids, and then they go in it, doesn't work out, doesn't eat right, or maybe just, you know, have great genetics, takes anabolic steroids, and then they go and train train

clients. Those people never, they're never do a good job because they don't relate to the average person. They really don't know how to communicate to the average person. So I think you definitely need to practice what you preach, but in shape is a wide, my most successful trainers of all time, or not the most impressive, just like what you were, but in shape as a wide, my most successful trainers of all time were not the most impressive, just like what you were saying Adam.

I never, they were never the super, never impressive. I was trying to think of one, but I really don't think I've ever had one who was the fittest most ripped guy or girl, and then also was my top performer. In fact, more often than not, they were the ones that were, they were so into themselves that they weren't really great

with their clients. It's normally the middle of the row type of trainer who, yeah, they're healthy, they're fit, they take care of themselves, but they're also very passionate about helping others and they're very, growing and being more educated and learning themselves, that those were the ones that were the most successful.

Yeah, I've had a couple bodybuilders work for me too, like national level competitive bodybuilders, and they were terrible trainers. All they cared about was gotta get my meal in, at the right time, gotta get my training, and then the way they were trained clients was like they were training other potential bodybuilders. They purely survived off of the small percentage

of people that wanted to be motivated by that. Because there are, there's people that absolutely buy it. I've had people come and buy training from me and say, I want your most ripped trainer. I want your buffish trainer. But there are very small percentage of people that are... They're training like 15 sessions a week. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Very few clients. Yeah. Very, very few people that are like that. Most people want somebody either that can relate to, connect to, or that's truly going to help. That's right. I mean, I had a lot of clients at a very early age, and 18, 19 year old Sal was not impressive, it just wasn't.

I was a young kid, I was a teenager, you know, with my clothes, my shirt on and everything, I don't know, I kinda look like I work out, but I had, I was working and competing against other trainers on my gym that were shredded and jacked and whatever. But I could communicate and I was passionate. I really cared about what I was doing. And I had three times as many clients as they did.

So along, if we were to look at the laundry list of things that you need to be a successful trainer, being impressive, super impressive physically, doesn't even make the top 30. That's literally, I'm not exaggerating. Doesn't even make the top 30. That's literally, I'm not exaggerating. Doesn't even make the top 30. Next question is from KaiJCraft. Tips are not being so socially awkward.

Oh, yeah. You know, it's funny about that. It's like that's directed at me. Yeah, not at all. You know what's hilarious about this? I learned this as I got older. Some of the most charismatic people I've ever met were also unabashedly somewhat awkward.

They're kind of off, but they're comfortable with their offness. That's the key, right there. The key is that we had a question that was directed to Justin at the last live event we just did and it was around this. And it was about being quiet. Yeah, it was about being quiet. Well, I think being really quiet in social settings

can all show. Some people can feel like they're being awkward. Yeah, well, and a lot of times they are socially awkward and they know they're socially awkward so they don't say anything and that's why they're quiet. Sure, sure. So it's along these lines and Justin answered, and then I kind of put my two cents in because I think that because I talk about being this extrovert and I've

been outgoing, I've been outgoing my whole life, like yada yada yada, at one point I didn't feel socially awkward. Like I 100% remember those feelings. I remember totally being that person, but I got to a point in my life where I stopped caring what other people thought about me. And that was the real, that was really the moment where I transcend into this quote unquote extrovert

where I love being in front of lots of people. And I don't mind talking, but really the transformation was, I just stopped truly giving a fuck. I stopped caring what people thought if I said something wrong. And those that have been listening to this podcast for a long time know that because I mean,

at the beginning of it, and that's my nerves coming out, right? A lot of times when I would fumble in a word or make a word up, when we first started this podcast, it's because this is a new set of skills that we are trying to learn. I have the thoughts in my head of trying to come in,

we would joke about it and tease me that you just didn't come out right. But I didn't allow the teasing and then the comments to bother me. Like I really, I don't care. I'm comfortable with who I am. And so I shared the story of Tom Billiou interviewing Gary Vee to this

kid and said, you know, and I, because I think it was a very impactful statement that he made to Gary Vee. And Tom Billio asked Gary goes, you know, you know, you know, what your super power is. And Gary's like, what's that? And Tom goes, you don't judge yourself. And Gary was kind of blown back because he never heard anyone say that before. I think that's such a true statement. I think the people that are the best that just go out there and speaking their minds, they just have got to a point in their life where they don't judge themselves anymore. Because they don't judge themselves, and the people that I know that are the most socially

awkward or the most quiet are also the ones that are in their head the most. They're in their head the most and they're so worried to say something because someone's gonna make fun of them or someone's gonna be like, that's stupid. Or they're like, who cares? That's the absolute worst thing that could happen. That's not gonna hurt you.

But this isn't do anything. So I think having that attitude, going into it and learning to practice that to stop judging yourself first and not worry what other people think. Yeah, totally. And I definitely, I appreciate people that connect to that, you know, me on the show

and just the evolution of like, have I had to deal with expressing opinions and really being a little bit more vocal. The irony is growing up, I was very outspoken amongst my friends and peers, and there's a way that I was able to deal with social awkwardness, and it was really through humor and just entertainment and just deflecting.

So in terms of where my real uncomfortable side of me, like when I start to analyze what comes out of my mouth and making sure I don't sound like a fucking idiot, and that's, again, the judgment like you're talking about, that's where all of that came from in the anxiety around that of trying to be smart

and even though I know a lot, I know I have a lot of education around certain topics and I can interject where I want to. You know, that's the part of me the most where I'm like, I need to work on this. And so for me, it's about a continual effort. And thankfully, it's my job now where I have to work on this like every single day. And it's helped me to grow. And it's definitely like trickled into the rest of my social life

and situations where I'm in public. And I have to talk to people and I have to interact. I've never met you before. The small talk piece. It's funny because my dad and I were talking about this and he remembers distinctively like all his friends thought I was like Radio silent like does your son ever talk, you know like this whole time But all my friends knew me is the most social outgoing person they've ever met in their life and You know and that's that's something that I I realized that as I mentioned a long time ago, bar tending really started the catalyst for me to understand how to relate to somebody. You know, in the small talk format, I have to get to somewhere with this person and connect. And so, you know, there's there's ways to do that, where it's just as simple as, you know, saying hi and talking about the weather, all that bullshit, like surface stuff.

You know, it gets there. You know, it's a good example of, you know, kind of what we're talking about where they're just confident being themselves, but they have all the characteristics of what you would consider a classically awkward person to have, Ben Greenfield. Ben Greenfield classically has all of the kind

of weird, awkward ways he talks and movements and subjects and clothes. I mean, we met with him in San Jose a while ago here and he met us at this restaurant and he's wearing these weird Jesus sandals and these super tight pants that ended up tearing because he squatted down or something. And like red blue blockers.

The way yeah, red blue blocker glasses and the way he sits on a chair, as he kind of perches up there like a vulture. But he, Ben is Ben, and he's very confident being Ben, and he just talks and does his thing. And it's magnetic. Next thing you know,

there's people sitting around him talking to him and he's just kind of doing his thing. And it's, you know, it draws people. It draws people because real confidence isn't boastful and it's not loud and in your face. It's literally just authentic. It's authentic self. You're just being comfortable.

This is the advice I give people sometimes, and they're like, oh, I get so nervous sometimes, talking to people or talking to groups. What do I do? One of the tips I tell them is, tell them you're nervous, right out the gates. Let them know, oh my God, I'm so nervous right now. Just get it out, let them know that you're nervous,

be okay with it, and then watch what happens. Oftentimes it makes people feel a lot better. But if you're comfortable with yourself, that's what you can be weird as fuck. In fact, the weird, comfortable people are the most charismatic people in the world. It's a fact. Think weird comfortable people are the most charismatic people in the world. It's a fact. Think of the most absolute most charismatic people and they're kind of different. They're just super, super comfortable. When you meet them in person, you can't help

by being drawn to them. So it's about that self-judgment. If you eliminate that, you probably won't be so or feel so socially awkward. And with that look, go to mindpumpfree.com and download some of our guides for free. They cost nothing. You can also find us all on Instagram. My page is Mind Pump Sal, Justin is Mind Pump Justin, and Adam is Mind Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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