Morning Brew Daily - Dockworkers Officially Go on Strike & Stock Market Has September to Remember

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

Episode 421: Neal and Toby explain why dockworkers are going on strike and what will happen to major imports if demands are not met. Then, the UK’s move to end its 142 year run on using coal as a fo...rm of energy. Next, the Stock Market has a really good September…no thanks to AI. Also, after decades of will-they-won’t-they, DirecTV is buying its rival Dish Network for only $1, but taking on its billions of debt. Meanwhile, Hurricane Helene could potentially shock the tech world as rainfall blocks access to a rare quartz mine in Spruce Pine, North Carolina. Lastly, vintage clothing is booming and has caught the eye of giant fashion retailers to do the same. Vintage is so in. Subscribe to Morning Brew Daily for more of the news you need to start your day. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app. To learn more about how Wise could work for your business, visit https://wise.com/business/  Get your Morning Brew Daily T-Shirt HERE: https://shop.morningbrew.com/products/morning-brew-radio-t-shirt?_pos=1&_sid=6b0bc409d&_ss=r&variant=45353879044316  Listen to Morning Brew Daily Here: https://link.chtbl.com/MBD Watch Morning Brew Daily Here: https://www.youtube.com/@MorningBrewDailyShow 00:00 - Jimmy Carter 100th birthday  02:40 - Port Strike Implications 08:30 - UK Drops Coal Production  12:10 - Q3 Stock Market Recap  15:15 - DirecTV Deal  19:45 - Quartz and Hurricane Helene 23:00 - Vintage resale  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:28 Good morning, Brew, Daily Show. Neil Fryman. And I'm Toby Howell. Today, get ready for more supply chain chaos because the dock workers at East Coast ports have gone on strike. Then the country that started the coal power boom over 140 years ago is officially coal-free. It's Tuesday, October 1st. Let's ride. Today is October 1st, a brand new month, but also a special date for one prominent American. former president Jimmy Carter turns 100 years old. He was already the longest living president, and now he's the first to reach the century mark. No one expected him to make it this far. When Carter entered hospice care more than 19 months ago, his family and close friends weren't sure he'd
Starting point is 00:01:17 last another week, but not only is Carter still kicking on his 100th birthday, but family members say he's even perked up in recent months and has been following the presidential election, listening to Bob Dylan and the Alman Brothers and following the playoff bound Atlanta Braves and this stat will absolutely break your brain. Carter has lived through 40% of U.S. history since the Declaration of Independence was signed into 1776. He has literally seen it all in the time that he has been alive. The U.S. population has nearly tripled.
Starting point is 00:01:51 And I have to say, too, Carter is a huge Atlanta Braves fan. If they had not made the playoffs yesterday, who knows? if he would have made it to his 100th birthday. But yeah, truly an incredible accomplishment. He has seen so much of U.S. History, 40% since the U.S. Declaration of Independence was signed. Kind of a mind-boggling stat right there. Now, a quick word from our sponsor, Wise Business, the app for doing things in other currencies. Neil, ever feel like we're juggling too many things with the podcast? Every day. Between early mornings and late night prepping, it's a dang circus out here sometimes.
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Starting point is 00:03:41 walked off the job over a contract dispute, shuttering ports from Maine to Texas and leading to another round of supply chain chaos. These 36 ports on the East and Gulf Coast handle an estimated 60% of all U.S. shipping traffic, including consumer goods like China. shirts, produce like bananas, numerous raw materials that are used by manufacturers like automakers. With no one to load or unload the containers that grease the economy's engine, international maritime commerce to and from the United States is going to significantly slow down, and the damage could be significant. So should you rush to the store to stock up on toilet paper or canned food?
Starting point is 00:04:19 No, the impacts of the strike aren't going to be immediate, and shippers prepared by hustling goods to ports ahead of the shutdown. Still, the longer this lasts, the more painful it will be. Shuttered ports could cause shortages of goods, which could drive prices higher for consumers. Oh, God, there's that word, inflation again, and cause manufacturers to pause production because they ran out of parts. So we'll just have to wait and see how negotiations play out between the dock workers' union and the port operators, but it's certainly a nasty curveball for the economy. Yeah, I mean, you said it. The longer it goes, the worse it gets. that's probably the drum that you're going to be hearing beat a lot in recent days,
Starting point is 00:04:59 in upcoming days, because what we're looking at right now, specifically, is perishable goods because you can stock up on things like importing cars or other goods, but fruits, vegetables, America's most popular fruit, the banana comes in through these very important East Coast ports. I mean, Wilmington, Delaware itself is America's largest banana port. who would have thought that, 1.2 million metric tons of bananas flow through those ports. 90% of imported cherries also flow through ports on strike right now. So you start going down through the list of some of the things you want to make a yummy fall fruit salad with.
Starting point is 00:05:36 And all of a sudden you realize that after a few days, if this strike extends, you won't have that fresh fruit anymore. And of course, there is some domestic production of things like cherries, not so much for actually things like bananas that can make up the gaps. but we'll start seeing these cracks appear, maybe in the supermarket aisle, more quickly than any other kind of sector of the business world. Yeah, these perishable goods are just going to be sitting on these ships in the Atlantic Ocean kind of rotting. So what is this dispute? What do these longshoremen want? There's two main sticking points. Their six-year contract is up this year, and they haven't agreed to a new one.
Starting point is 00:06:14 So the first one is wages. They currently make $39 an hour. That is up 11% from the start of their previous six-year contract. But over the same time, inflation has crept up 24%. So that's eaten into their wages. They want a $5 an hour raise in each year of the new six-year contract, which amounts to a 77% increase overall. Looks like the employers are offering annual raises of half that.
Starting point is 00:06:42 $2.50 an hour. So there's a large gap between the wage. increase in the scope of the wage increase there. And then the other sticking point here, this may be, this may be the bigger issue is automation ever since the 1960s when dock workers go on strike. It's all about new technologies automating their jobs and taking away their jobs. So the longshoremen want protections against the increased use of automation at ports to protect their jobs. And we'll see what happens there. I have seen, though, a lot of pushback, especially from kind of the tech community here saying that when we resist automation,
Starting point is 00:07:19 we're not actually doing ourselves a service. The Milton Freeman quote actually comes to mind. The famous economist Milton Freeman said, if we all want jobs, we can create any number. For example, have people dig holes and then fill them back up again. So if you resist innovation, if you resist kind of this push towards automation, yeah, you keep the longshoremen's jobs, you protect those jobs. But also maybe you're doing yourself a disservice in the long run by not advancing to a I mean, if you look abroad, too, like you see these factories and these ports in China doing things entirely automated where you have a vehicle, a driverless vehicle pull up and start unloading stuff.
Starting point is 00:07:59 So you see the world advancing around you and you don't necessarily want to be held hostage by this union who does not want to kind of make progress and automate some of their jobs away. So, of course, you want to protect people's wages. and you want people to get paid what they're worth, but you also don't want to be so resistant to progress that you kind of set America back in terms of like the global landscape when it comes to port automation. Yeah, if you look at Shanghai's port,
Starting point is 00:08:25 they move an average of 113 containers per hour, and then you go back to New York and New Jersey just down the road here. They move about half that, 57.6 containers per hour. The ports here in the United States are a lot less automated than ones in Rotterdam and Shanghai and Asia. And critics of the lack of automation here say that it is a national security issue because back during COVID, we saw all of those supply chain backups at these ports on the
Starting point is 00:08:55 West Coast and the East Coast. And they say, well, that's because we don't have automation. There's one port over on the West Coast that move goods a lot quicker. And that was the most automated one. And that was the Long Beach container terminal. So I would say this strike is. going to cost the economy, according to J.P. Morgan, $5 billion a day, equivalent to 6% of GDP. And yes, the longer this lasts, the more you'll actually see it show up in the consumer aisle. The end of an era. You hear the phrase throwing around a lot these days.
Starting point is 00:09:27 But yesterday, the last coal-fired power plant in Britain officially closed, marking the end of coal in the very country yet used it to kick off the Industrial Revolution 200 years ago. Britain has been synonymous with coal. power since Thomas Edison opened the very first coal-fired power plant in London all the way back in 1882. The shutdown yesterday, though, makes the UK the first country amongst its G7 peers to fully phase out coal and fulfills the deadline it's set in 2015 to ditch coal by 2025. The last plant was a striking example of a now-bygone era. The boilers at Ratcliffe-on-Sore power station have been going strong for the last 57 years. They powered four.
Starting point is 00:10:10 500 megawatt turbines and belts smoke out of a 650-foot-tall chimneys. But environmental groups have calculated that the Ratcliffe plant was likely emitting between 8 to 15 million tons of carbon dioxide a year, more than the emissions from around 2 million cars. So now its turbines have been shut off, paving the way for a new era of renewable energy in Britain. The decline of coal in Britain has been dramatic and rapid. I mean, as recently as 1990, coal provided about 80% of Britain's electricity. And then as recently as 10 years ago, coal was still the leading source of the country's power, generating about a third of their electricity. But then all of a sudden, wind and solar just became huge going from 7% a few years
Starting point is 00:10:56 ago to a decade ago to over 50% today. And then coal absolutely plummeted to just 1% last year. Back in 2014, they set a goal to shutter all coal plants by 2025. But the, The growth of renewables has been so strong that they said, I think we can get this done in 2024 by October. And then they did it yesterday. So it's really been a dramatic decline for a power source that really has defined this country and defined a lot of the social, political labor struggles over the past century there. So truly the end of an era. Worldwide, though, coal is still not gone. China, India, Indonesia, still are places where a lot of coal power is relied upon. Even the United States is moving away from coal.
Starting point is 00:11:38 but a little bit more slowly. 25 years ago, coal generated more than half of electricity in America. Today accounts for right around 18 to 16%. So it has dropped a lot. Like we are doing well, maybe not as dramatically as the UK has. But you are correct, though, that this plant and this industry in the UK is so synonymous with the place where it was kind of built. Smog was actually first, the term smog was coined because of the kind of smoke that
Starting point is 00:12:07 was bellowing out of these coal-fired power plants. And this plant was something else. It was the size, it's the size of Monaco. It took up a footprint of a 0.8 square miles. It was kind of the marvel of its time when it was first open. And now it's been a very prominent part of the community because you drive by, you see these 650 foot tall chimneys. But now each boiler could produce enough thermal energy to bring the water of an Olympic-sized swimming pool
Starting point is 00:12:37 to a boil in 11 minutes. So it truly was just this amazing marvel of technology, but it is part of a bygone era, and we are moving on from coal onto renewable energies. Pretty amazing that Britain has been able to produce enough renewables to replace a power plant like this. Like a plastic bag blowing through the wind, the third quarter of the year has drifted on by.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Let's see how your portfolio is looking and how the economy at large is humming along in a Q3 recap. First things first, the September curse has officially been broken in the stock market. Remember, over the past century, September has been the worst performing month for stocks, losing about 1% on average. And after four straight years of the September effect holding true, the market bucked that trend big time. The S&P 500 gained 2% overall in the month, in about 5% in the third quarter, buoyed by the Fed's rate cut announcement and increasing confidence that Jerome Powell and Co.
Starting point is 00:13:35 pulled off a soft landing, bringing down inflation without sending the economy into a tailspin. Speaking of the economy, it's looking pretty good. Unemployment is still hovering at a manageable 4%. Inflation is sitting just above 2%, and the U.S. GDP grew at a 3% annualized pace in Q2 beating expectations. Neil, let's start with the market. What was the big takeaway from Q3 for you? Well, it's not just an AI story anymore. For the first half of the year, AI, the revolution, an AI dominated the stock market, as in video went, so went the markets. But that's just not the case anymore. Value stocks, be growth stocks, small-cap stocks, be large-cap stocks. Utilities, actually, was the top performer of any industry in the S&P 500. And second was real estate, which climbed
Starting point is 00:14:26 15%. Even the Magnificent 7 didn't all grow uniformly. Invidia Alphabet, Microsoft, and Amazon, ended lower while Apple, Meta, and Tesla went higher. So it really was a broadening out of the rally, which investors really wanted to see because you don't want the entire stock market to depend on one or two companies on this unproven technology AI. And it amounted to a great quarter. Now, the market just put together its best first three quarters of a year since 1997. What we are looking forward to, though, is that we've had this soft landing narrative. I said it in our intro. That will be a little bit tested by, one, the jobs report that comes out at the end of the week on Friday. Plus, corporate earnings start, this corporate earnings season, if you want to call it,
Starting point is 00:15:14 start in October. So we will see if kind of that optimism that did buoy the rest of the stock market that did broaden this rally, if you want to call it that, if it's supported by the actual fundamentals of the companies themselves. So we are in a good spot right now. Q3 was solid for the market. It bucked that September trend that we spoke about at the beginning of the month. But right now, the general attitude is like, all right, let's see if they can put their money where their mouth is. Let's see if the job market is where Jerome Powell wants it to be. Let's see if companies' earnings are as strong as maybe their stock prices are indicating. So that's what we're looking forward to as we enter into Q4. Which is typically the strongest for stocks. There you go. Happy holidays, everyone.
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Starting point is 00:17:00 slash price match for details. Yesterday, the satellite TV provider said it was acquiring a rival satellite TV provider DISH Network and a deal that would create the largest pay TV company in the U.S. with a combined 20 million subscribers. The price tag is what you might find at a garage sale, just $1, but DirecTV is going to assume Dishes $9.8 billion in debt, so it comes with some significant baggage. Direct TV was also involved in a parallel deal yesterday with its parent company, AT&T, selling off its majority stake to private equity firm TPG for $7.6 billion. These moves, AT&T, ditching DirecTV and DirecTV merging with Dish,
Starting point is 00:17:44 don't come from a position of strength. It's more like the satellite TV industry is huddling together for warmth as a blizzard rages outside. That blizzard is all the streaming companies, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Max, that have lured away DirecTV's customers in recent years, and it's been bleeding them ever since. When AT&T bought DirecTV in 2014, it had more than 18 million subscribers. Now it has about 10 million.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Direct TV thinks scaling up with DISH to create a satellite television behemoth, it can better weather the storm that's upended the industry. Yeah, this is like the death rattle where they're kind of teaming up to try to milk whatever last little bit of value they have. It is a relatively big company now, though. I mean, it is going to be the largest satellite TV provider. in the country now. So they do have that benefit of scale. But it's just been the same story that pretty much all traditional TV providers have been dealing with. It's been dragged down by
Starting point is 00:18:42 dwindling interest, dwindling demand. And then also you have the headache that is the streaming industry kind of nitpicking you from all sides. You have the Netflix's. You have Hulus. You have Prime. They have all been peeling away these small millions of subscribers here, millions of subscribers there from paid TV. They have lower price tags. They have more on-demand. content and you look at your direct TV subscription, you're like, I'm paying for a lot of channels that I don't really necessarily want here. Let me go instead pick Amazon Prime and Max because that's what I actually want to watch. So yeah, it's just been the downfall. It's been these pretty much the same that we've been seeing and we've been speaking about for years now. Let's see if maybe
Starting point is 00:19:22 the combined might can reverse that trend. Yeah. What you mentioned is kind of exactly what they want to scale up and try to do with negotiations with programmers, TV channels. He said, when you get DirecTV, you have a zillion channels, 98% of which you don't want. Direct TV and now DISH want to combine so they have greater leverage and negotiating power to go to programmers and say, we need skinnier bundles. We need smaller packages so we can sell it to customers for less money because you're cramming us with so much programming, so many channels that people don't want. Give us a sports package.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Give us a family package. Give us an adventure package. Let's figure out ways to create skinnier packages to sell to customers because what we are working with you now on is just way too much. It's too expensive. And it's just not a good business proposition for us. And remember, one of those headaches happened to customers earlier this year at the beginning of September.
Starting point is 00:20:18 DirecTV, their 11 million subscribers. Actually lost access to ESPN right in the middle of the U.S. Open, we should add, right in the middle of some important college football games too, over this carrier fee and programming flexibility. They were trying to take the fight to Disney and win those skinnier packages like you discussed. So maybe with a little bit more heft, a little bit more might behind their negotiation,
Starting point is 00:20:40 they will be able to win those things for consumers. And I should add that DISH and Direct TV have been trying to combine for 20 years now, but regulators have tried to stop it. It doesn't look like regulators are going to care that much about this particular merger because they are just small fish in a big pot at this point. Officials are still assessing the damage from Hurricane Helene,
Starting point is 00:21:01 which killed more than 130 people across the southeast, and wiped entire neighborhoods off the map in western North Carolina, which suffered unprecedented and unimaginable flooding. Roads are in such a bad state in the area that mules have been called in to deliver aid to places that cars can't reach. But it's the fate of one small town in the North Carolina Mountains that has the attention of the business world, spruce pine, which is home to mines that produce the purest form of quartz on earth. High purity quartz is critical to making the semiconductors
Starting point is 00:21:35 that power modern life. They are used in smartphones, data centers, cars, solar panels, and more. And the manufacturing of semiconductors wouldn't be possible without the quartz found specifically in these two mines in the Appalachian Mountains. You can't find this quality anywhere else. The professor Ethan Mollock noted, without hyperbole, wrote that the modern economy rests on a single road in Spruce Pine, North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:22:01 So, how the flooding from Hurricane Helene impacted the quartz mines is of great interest to companies around the globe that use semiconductors without spruce Pines quartz. Chipmakers can't make chips. And it does seem like production has stopped, at least for now. The biggest
Starting point is 00:22:16 company operating at the quartz mine, Sibylco, said it had temporary halted operations at its spruce pine facilities, and its top priority remains the safety and well-being of its employees. Yeah, I mean, I was digging into why is this quartz so, so important for the silicon and semiconductor industries, because you need to this quartz to produce, they call it a crucible, but it's essentially just this vessel that you melt the polysilicon in. And the reason why you needed to be so pure is, like, the manufacturing process of these very
Starting point is 00:22:49 refined silicon wafers needs to be as undisturbed and without purity and high purity as possible. And quartz is for some reason just the perfect element for that. It doesn't contaminate the molten silicon. They can withstand the high temperatures required to melt that silicon without introducing those contaminants that we spoke about. And it's just great because it is chemically inert as well. It minimizes reactions with the silicon. So all of these things feed into this specific mineral that comes from this specific,
Starting point is 00:23:19 place in North Carolina being so, so important for the chips that do power just pretty much our entire modern world right now. So it is crazy that we talk about that. The entire economy rests on a single road, but it is not that much of an exaggeration to say that. And it's just a quirk of geological history that this place in North Carolina Mountains that has been hit with unprecedented flooding is also home to a material that is used in the tech industry around the world. One thing that might be. be difficult to assess just how operational these plants are, is that these companies are extremely secret because they have processes that are very, that they want to keep under wrap.
Starting point is 00:24:03 So sometimes workers, when they go to particular parts of the facilities, are blindfolded. And contractors working with Uniman, which is the parent company, this Belgian parent company that operates the mines, are often required to sign NDAs. So trying to get these people, you know, I read a zillion article. about like what is going on with these minds. Trying to get these people on the phone to have them say anything about what's going on is nearly impossible. So while all the attention is certainly and justly on how these mountain towns are recovering
Starting point is 00:24:32 and obviously the search and rescue operations are still continuing, there's also this interesting business angle to the whole thing where this quartz mine is just being the focus of the entire economy. The feel of well-loved genes. the odor of a second-hand quilt and the joy of uncovering a hidden gem. These are the sights and smells thrifters know and love, and it's why I wanted to talk about the vintage and resale boom on today's edition of Toby's trends. Business has been good in the vintage game. There are over 25,000 resale stores now in the U.S. while secondhand apparel sales are up 11% last year
Starting point is 00:25:12 compared to 2022, according to Capital One. It's outpacing the wider garment industry, too. Apparel resale in the U.S. grew at seven times the rate of the broader retail sector, according to Thread Up, to reach $43 billion. Just six years ago, it was sitting at $23 billion. And downtowns are loving it because trendy resale shops are finally a reason to come shopping again. After all, every item in a second-hand store is one of one, so it's not like you know how a brand fits you until you physically put it on. Neil, everything that is old is new again, especially old clothes.
Starting point is 00:25:49 And brands are absolutely hopping on this. It seems like if you open up a trendy new store, then at least you're going to have a small section dedicated to vintage or resale. Banana Republic just opened a 70,000 square foot store in New York. And within it has a 225 square foot shop that sells its own branded clothing from the 1980s and the 1990s. H&M also recently opened a store in New York with kind of the same thing. They have a vintage store within a store. store REI has two standalone stores where all they do is sell secondhand items.
Starting point is 00:26:24 So I'd love to hear your take on why this has become such a big booming industry within the apparel space. I think it's just young people see resale and see vintage as almost a core part of how they identify themselves because one, it's better for the planet. You are wearing clothes that have already been produced. It's kind of the exact opposite of fast fashion. And then also you can just express yourself very well. I mean, if you've ever been into one of those vintage shops, you see some outrageous things.
Starting point is 00:26:51 And so it just allows you to kind of express your creativity a little bit more. One company that I think is doing very well in this space, I mean, everyone knows it's called Goodwill. It's the largest secondhand operator in the country. But they've started doing things like hosting wedding pops-ups and bridal shows within their stores, because it is just, it adds a little bit of verve to your wedding if you have some second-handed and thrifted stuff. I recently did just go to my cousin's wedding, and all of the bridesmaids picked out thrifted candlesticks. They each got to just go around and find a candlestick that they think
Starting point is 00:27:25 reflected them or reflected the bride a little bit. And it was super cool. I mean, some of the table settings were uniform, but some of them were unique and thrifted and had that secondhand pop to them. So that was very cool. And I think it's just emblematic of the broader trend we're saying. If people were just wanting to be themselves and not buy stuff from H&M, not buy stuff from Sheehan all the time.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Sometimes you want to go to those secondhand stores. Yeah, and the people who are loving this are landlords because a lot of the vintage resale experience is going to the stores, brick and mortar, and buying it online is just not the same. And then if you walk around my neighborhood in Brooklyn, every other store is a vintage shop. It goes like vape shop, vintage shop,
Starting point is 00:28:05 vape shop, vintage shop, you just walk around. So they've really occupied so much retail space. So it's pretty important for downtowns and cities to this boom. It has some wide-ranging effects. Okay, let's wrap it up there. Thanks so much for starting your day with us and have a wonderful Tuesday. Let's get October started
Starting point is 00:28:24 off on the right foot. For any feedback, questions, or comments on the show, send an email to Morningbrewdaily at morningbrew.com. And don't forget to share Morningbrewdaily with your friends, family, and coworkers. If you can't think of anyone to spread the word to, that's why we have Toby. He has ideas.
Starting point is 00:28:40 I want you to share today's episode with someone who is your crucible, of pure quartz, that person that you can't function without, who can withstand heat and pressure to keep things operating smoothly. Find your crucible and send them this episode. Find your crucible. Okay, let's roll the credits, Emily Milliron is our executive producer. Raymond Liu is our producer. Olivia Graham is our associate producer. Yuchetawa Ogu is our technical director. Billy Minino is on audio. Hair and makeup has gone thrifting. Devin Emery is our chief content officer and our show is a production of Morning Brew. Great show today, Neil. Let's run it back
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