Morning Brew Daily - Seasonal Jobseekers in Trouble? & Waymo Will DoorDash Your Burrito

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

Episode 694: Neal and Toby preview the incoming influx of part-time seasonal workers expected to surge this holiday season as the accessibility of full-time continues to be scarce. Then, Uber is giving its drivers more options to earn cash through completely small tasks – think of it like small side quests. Also, Waymo partners with DoorDash to deliver meals, but the biggest question is, who do you tip? Meanwhile, Neal shares his favorite numbers on the world’s most powerful passports, phone thefts in London, and how well Americans think they can do practical tasks. Finally, the famous ‘rat hole’ in Chicago is actually a…squirrel hole? Get your paper tablet at https://www.remarkable.com today Get your MBD live show tickets here! https://www.tinyurl.com/MBD-HOLIDAY  Subscribe to Morning Brew Daily for more of the news you need to start your day. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app. Listen to Morning Brew Daily Here:⁠ ⁠⁠https://www.swap.fm/l/mbd-note⁠⁠⁠  Watch Morning Brew Daily Here:⁠ ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@MorningBrewDailyShow⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Then prepare to get your pad tie sands human. Waymo is getting into the food delivery game. It's Friday, October 17th. Let's ride. Good morning and happy Friday. Did you hear about the governor of Illinois cleaning up at the black table. Yesterday, Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker released his tax returns, which showed $1.4 million

in gambling winnings. Pritzker, a billionaire heir to the Hyatt Hotel's fortune, said the windfall came from a single trip to Vegas while playing blackjack, calling it incredibly lucky. Pritzker didn't divulge any juicy details, like whether it happened in a single run, how much he wagered, or whether it took place at a special high roller table. His spokesperson said the money would be donated to charity. But Mr. Governor, I guess, I got to ask, who do you like in the Red Wings Lightning game tonight? I mean, that is a heater of all heaters, but he's worth $3.9 billion. So $1.4 million, kind of like you or me, winning $100 at the table, entirely plausible,

especially at a high roller table where you can bet $25,000, $200,000 a hand. But the New York Times talked to a pro gambler to see what his take was on the whole situation. He said, I quote, oh, my God, someone actually declared their gambling winnings because most people do not do. that. They just say, I probably lost more than I won in the past year or so they just leave them off entirely. But maybe Pritzker wanted to disclose it. So someone would ask him the question about his heater of all heaters at the Black Jite Table 5D chess. But congrats to him, I guess. Didn't even know government officials were allowed to gamble. So you learned something new every day. And now a word from our sponsor, Remarkable. Neal, when did you last feel like you had a truly

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at the end of September compared to last year and were 50% higher than in 2023. On the other hand, seasonal job postings were up just 2.7%. Indeed, senior economist told Bloomberg, it's a microcosm of an American job market that's frozen over. What we're seeing in the seasonal hiring market is what we're seeing in the broader market, he said. People are going out and looking for jobs and just finding fewer of them going around. A separate report from Challenger, Gray, and Christmas adds to the worries. They found that retailers intend to add fewer than 500,000 seasonal jobs this winter,

which would be the lowest number in 16 years. Of the companies that announced seasonal hiring plans, Bath and Body Works is looking for 32,000 workers, 700 fewer than last year. Michaels wants an extra 10,000 employees, 5,000 if you were then in 2022, and Santa is hiring 800 elves half of last year's total. So bottom line, if you're looking for a holiday retail position, as so many of us have done, start your search now because the competition is going to be fierce. I'm aiming for that elf job up in the North Pole, but this is indicative of the broader job market as well, the low, higher, low fire environment that we currently find ourselves in because

inflation has constrained margins a little bit. It's pushed down discretionary spending. You are seeing these things filter through the job market at this point. I think back to our conversation with Fed President Austin Gouldsby yesterday. Great interview. You should listen to that. If you haven't, it was on yesterday's show. But he basically said that we were at this equilibrium point where these businesses do not feel comfortable laying off workers, but they don't feel comfortable hiring workers either. They kind of just want to stick with the people that they got. So when it comes to the seasonal workers, the Christmas period, the holiday period, we're seeing that exact same dynamic play out. It didn't change. There's not suddenly this massive rush of need for workers

because everyone just kind of wants to stay put, stay where they're at, stay in that equilibrium zone. So the forecast is for 500,000 seasonal jobs to be added this winter, which would be the worst since 2009. But where are those jobs coming from? That's a decent amount of jobs. Well, half of them, $250,000 is coming from Amazon itself. Amazon said it was going to hire 250,000 seasonal workers this holiday season, as it does every year, it hires many hundreds of thousands of people to come to the warehouses so they can package all the gifts that you got for your family. So half of all seasonal hiring is coming from Amazon specifically.

And that's not any growth from the past few years. That's the same as they've done in 2023 and 2024. Yeah, Amazon is essentially the. seasonal job market at this point. It is a monoculture when it comes to it because they're just so much bigger. I mean, you're talking about Bath and Body Works hiring 700 less people. Amazon is 250,000 people. So this was not always the case. During the 2000s, no single employer represented more than, you know, 15 or 20 percent of the total holiday hiring now. One company basically drives the entire seasonal workforce at this point. The one thing, a data point I'm also looking at is the lack of data point coming out of

companies like Target, UPS, Macy's, Colts. They haven't disclosed seasonal hiring targets yet, which is a big difference because last year around this time, they had already done so. So they're being a lot less transparent this time around. So sometimes no data is worse than some data because how bad must it be if you want to read between the lines, if they're not saying anything at all, are they not going to hire any workers or did they just not want to disclose lower amounts than the previous years to set off alarm balance?

They're definitely going to hire workers. but yeah, I think the fact that they're not saying anything all is indicative that they're certainly not going to hire more workers than in years past. So it's going to be a tough seasonal job market out there. Moving on, Uber wants its gig workers to pick up more gigs in between trips. Later this fall, the ride sharing company is introducing a new job category called digital tasks that will allow U.S. drivers to earn money for completing small online assignments. No, they're not handing out math homework. Instead, these mini assignments are things like uploading restaurant menus. recording audio samples in different languages or other data-related micro-tasks that take just a few minutes to

complete and yield small payouts. What's the method behind the madness? All roads lead back to AI. As AI companies run low on material to train their models, Uber is marketing their AI solutions arm as a way to get high-quality data and model training tasks all completed by Uber's vast network of independent contractors. You know, you can almost see the boardroom meeting where this program came to be. For Uber, gets to monetize its workforce during downtime. For AI companies, they get more high-quality data, and gig workers are the ones left doing the axle work for a little extra dough. Yeah, maybe your first thought, as mine was, are these drivers going to be fidgeting with

their phones filling out all this data labeling stuff while they're driving or while they're waiting? But no Uber says that it will be away from their cars. This is just another way that they're trying to leverage their army of freelancers. drivers wouldn't say they're freelancers, but in order to make some more money and also help Uber in the data labeling business, which has absolutely boomed in the past few years because AI, large language models, need a lot of data. And they don't just need a lot of data. They need a lot of data that is labeled and cleaned up. You can't just force feed it, you know, some raw huge data sets because it won't exactly know what to do with it. Thinking back to meta, which bought Scale AI, which is probably the biggest data labeling company out there, paid 14. billion dollars to bring scale AI on board. Now that's valued at $29 billion. And it's not just related to large language models, but also robots. They're these robot AI startups that are paying up to $150 an hour for you to do physical tasks in the world, like folding laundry,

loading dishwashers, or making an espresso because they need to learn, the robots need to learn from humans if they want to make humanoid robots. So it's not just happening. Uber, they're probably not paying them anywhere close to $150 an hour. But this data labeling business is absolutely booming. It's going to come to maybe you or I, if we want to make a couple extra bucks, we can start folding laundry. But you are correct. It is, buck is actually probably a better term than bucks at this point because the example

that Uber gave when they rolled out this new program was uploading a menu yields you a single dollar. So again, it's not life-changing money, but again, Uber's sort of messaging around this is it is another way for our freelance workers, for our clients. contract employees to make money during their downtime. And they're not the only ones doing this. You can go on Upwork and find data labeling jobs right now on other freelance platforms. And then also, this is not the first time that Uber has experimented with extra gig work for its gig workers. Remember, two years ago, it tested out this program where you could hire an Uber driver to come

do a household task for you, assemble furniture, something like that. So that is, they're always looking for ways to utilize this workforce and give them more opportunities. to earn. The big question mark here, too, is, are drivers actually training their replacements right now? Because whenever you talk about AI, it leads to autonomous driving, which leads to a world without any Uber drivers anymore. And Uber said that, no, this is separate from it. They say that the data attained from driver tasks will not be used to develop driverless vehicle. So that's just a little bit of a PR landmine that they're trying to skirt around saying, we're not making you train your own replacements right now, which would obviously be a bad look for them.

Uber isn't the only one shaking up the gig economy. Waymo is also trying to deliver more than your drunk self home after a night out. Yesterday, it announced a new partnership with DoorDash to test out an autonomous food delivery service across the Phoenix area. Customers will be able to choose a Waymo option in the DoorDash app to get their grocery or meal delivered by car. Just car. That means no tip either, unless you want to tip car.

Waybo's spokesperson said the program is meant to boost fleet utilization because the same autonomous cars can serve both passengers and deliveries. It's also looking to capture a portion of the nascent robot food delivery market, which is already seeing tests in the so-called last-mile delivery segment. Serve Robotics has rolled out sidewalk robots to deliver burritos for Uber Eats in L.A. While DoorDash is also debuting a tiny electric delivery robot in Phoenix, that's one-tenth the size of a car. Neil, the trend here is one, blurring the line between moving people and moving goods, and two, the last mile is starting to go driverless.

Personally, I like my food delivered the old-fashioned way via fork because I made it myself at home. This is going to be a key test of Americans' laziness, because already they're going to be ordering delivery to their home. But if you live here in an apartment in New York City, you know that delivery drivers sometimes come up to your apartment or if you live in suburbia, they get out of the car and bring it to your porch. I mean, is our American consumers going to balk at that? Because in this case, what Doordash and Waymo are doing, is you have to go out to the trunk of the car, open it, and then get your meal and then bring it back into your home. And I know it sounds so silly that we would be so inconvenienced to leave our house to get a meal that we ordered delivery from. But it will be interesting to see, at least in this Phoenix test case, whether consumers say, well, I'd rather do that than maybe add three or four dollars tip for a driver. And maybe he's, this whole thing is, I mean, this whole thing is intended to bring costs down across the board because you don't have to pay humans, but we'll see whether how people respond to that. I was also thinking on the other side because the restaurant workers themselves are now going to have to come out and put them in the car before, you know, someone would come in and pick up the restaurant. So there is just some

logistical, I mean, we're talking about last mile delivery, but we're now talking about last 30 feet delivery when you don't have a human in the miss. What does that look like? Which I think is a very valid question. Waymo has also aspired to have a delivery business in the past early on in the company, which is, this is a subsidiary of Google. They made deals with UPS, Wayfair, J.B. Hunt, and Uber. They wanted to apply their autonomous driving technology to last minute delivering, too long-haul trucking. This has always been, you know, the other pipe dream. As long as moving humans, let's move other stuff around. And they kind of slowly sunseted that program to focus on robo-taxies. Now they feel robo-taxies are in a good spot. Let's dive back into this world again,

if people will, you know, exit their homes to pick up their burritos that were already delivered in a self-driving chariot directly to their front door. All right, we're going to take a quick break and come back with Neal's numbers. We all have that dream trip. We've been wishing we could go on. But too often life or usually price gets in the way. That's why Priceline is here to help you turn your dream trip into reality. With up to 60% off hotels and up to 50% off flights,

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but we pushed it to Friday because this week's been a little chaotic scheduling-wise. For my first number, the U.S. passport used to be the envy of the world. now it's about as good as our soccer team. In the latest Henley Passport Index, the U.S. dropped out of the world's top 10 most powerful passports for the first time in two decades.

We're currently in 12th tied with Malaysia compared to 7th last year and number one 10 years ago. What does it even mean to have a powerful passport? The rankings reflect how many countries a traveler can visit without needing a visa, a number that's been dropping for U.S. nationals as America increasingly isolates itself from the world. The creator of the index, Christian Kalin, said the steep decline of U.S. passport strength was a sign of its waning superpower status.

It's, quote, more than just a reshuffle in rankings. It signals a fundamental shift in global mobility and soft power dynamics, he said. Nations that embrace openness and cooperation are surging ahead, while those resting on past privilege are being left behind. That's because reciprocity has a lot of influence in passport rankings, as in we let people in from your country visa-free, and you do the same with us. But the U.S. doesn't have a lot of that going on. Currently, U.S. passport holders can access 180 destinations without a visa, but the U.S. itself only allows 46 other nationalities to come here without one. As recently as April, Brazil ended visa-free access for U.S. nationals because of a lack of reciprocity.

First of all, I've got to clarify, you're talking about our men's soccer team, because our women are still doing just fine there. We are still top of the heat. But also, Americans, how would you react if you started to see your most? mobility start to fall a little bit. You used to be number one, but now you are seeing yourself not having as much access as you once in the past. So what would you do? A lot of people are seeking alternative residence or alternative citizenship because they want to have that additional freedom that that allows. So 67% surge Henley's data found are looking for those alternative residence

programs that also looks like you're hedging against declining U.S. mobility. You're like, hey, my passport doesn't get me into this place. Maybe I'll go see if I can snag one from Belgium or a European one. Who's my grandma or who's my grandpa? Try to get that dual citizen going. So that's just kind of another trickle-down effect from this statistic of the U.S. falling from its once high perch. Let's look at the leaderboard.

Just overall, Asian countries dominate the upper rank. Singapore is number one. They have visa-free access to 193 destinations, followed by South Korea with 190. And the third place, Japan, with 100. In last place at the other end is Afghanistan. They can get into 24 destinations visa free, but the U.S. is in free fall, so I wouldn't be surprised if we fell down the leaderboard even more. Okay, for my next number, if you're headed to London, hold on to your phone till your knuckles bleed. The city has become the European capital for phone thefts, clocking a record 80,000 stolen phones last year, a big increase from 64,000 the year before.

As the New York Times reports, this is no Oliver Twist-level pickpocketing, but a sprawling global crime network. New phones nabbed in London sell for big bucks in China, sometimes up to $5,000, fueling a multi-layered industrial-scale enterprise that has a bedeviled police. And it would help if they actually tried to stop it. Law enforcement has been slow to respond to the phone thefts, in part because they didn't put in much effort. British police budgets were slashed in the 2010s, and whatever resources were available were directed away from. from low-level offenses and toward more serious violence and sexual crimes. And the phone robbers got away with it.

About 106,000 phones were reported stolen in London from March 24 to February 2025, but fewer than 500 people were charged or admitted to an offense. Now the police have decided to crack down, conducting raids to root out the middlemen who fuel the black market for phones. Recently, they arrested two men who were accused of sending 40,000 stolen phones to China. They were seen in Costco buying 1.5 miles worth of aluminum. foil to wrap around phones so they wouldn't transmit a tracking signal. There are so many little things that kind of all culminated in this epidemic of phone theft.

So one of it is the fact that they figured out that tin foil and aluminum foil was an integral part of this entire system. So one and a half miles, you could literally buy anything at Costco. But the other part that definitely enabled this is e-bikes, actually. Lyme bikes were introduced into London in 2018, and they've turned out to be the perfect getaway vehicle for phone tests. They're very easy to ditch. They're very easy to pick up.

They're quiet. They're fast, actually. And please say, we don't even try to chase these people because, one, it's just too dangerous for us going through crowds. And two, we couldn't track them down even if we did set after them. So e-bikes have been a massive enabler for this as well. And then also, humans are an enabler, too, because you forget that the thing you're carrying around your hand all day, this tool that's always in your pocket is worth $1,000 on the black market, a thousand quid. excuse me, we're talking about London here. So you're not necessarily paying attention

when you're just looking at your Twitter feed or you're looking at Instagram and you make an easy target when you're not paying attention. So it is fascinating that you forget that they've just become so ubiquitous, but they still are a very valuable thing. Some people say you wouldn't count $1,000 in cash

right on the sidewalk in front of people and yet we look at our phones without a care in the world. So there are different parts of this from our literal intention spans to e-bikes that create this, you know, massive epidemic. All right. For my final number, Americans tend to think they're a pretty

handy bunch expressing high confidence they can accomplish a variety of practical tasks in a new survey from the Pew Research Center. So Pew asked American adults whether they could accomplish each of 12 different practical activities. And many replied, oh, easy. 95% they could definitely or probably remove a stain from their clothes. Ninety four percent said the same about cleaning and caring for a wound, and 76% said they could probably or definitely understand which chemicals not to mix in household cleaning. Confidence scores were particularly high for tasks related to health and food. 88% said they could make sense of nutrition labels.

83% could explain what yeast does in baking bread, and 83% also said they could grow a vegetable garden. So what are the tasks that people need to call in a little help for? The more technical ones, unsurprisingly, 39% said they could explain a, high pressure system on a weather map, and just 29% said they could fix a problem with a car's engine. Toby, I'm surprised at the broad confidence on display here. I wonder if most people who responded thought, sure, I could do this after watching a couple YouTube videos, of course. That is the data point that is missing from this entire data set is, do I have my phone

available? Can I look it up on YouTube? Because I would feel confident about fixing an engine if, you know, I can look up the exact problem in front of me. Were there any of these, you know, practical tasks that you thought were a big delta from your own experience? Or did you think you fell pretty much in line with what most people responded to the survey? I feel like I fall in line, but you know, remove a stain from your clothes. 95% of people said they could do that. I don't know if I could do that. I think the same thing.

I mean, I know how to use it. I'm 34 years old. I don't know if I could do that. But there are, yes, there's different materials. There's different substances. Like, do I know how to get blood out of linen? I'm not sure. Can I get coffee out of my sofa?

Maybe out of water, dab. maybe my mom is rolling your eyes right now. Maybe I should know this better. But yeah, it's just fascinating too. Also fascinating to see the generational differences as well, where the biggest shift is that older generations feel very confident, calculating a tip without using their calculator or their phone. Younger generations feel a little less confident.

This feeds directly into the conversation of people saying, oh, the youth these days, they don't know how to do anything. They have to check their phones for everything. But there is an actual gap. 90 plus percent of older adults feel like they can do it. Only 77% of under 30s feel like they can do it. Just move the decimal people. Move the decimal in double it.

You got this. You should feel more confident about that. And I'm not sure that explain that high pressure system on a weather map is a practical task that people need to know. So I'm not surprised it's low at 39%. No, it's high. It's high pressure system. All right. All right.

But I do think that maybe is that's one thing where I could do that. That other people can't. I mean, all I know is a high pressure system means. good weather. So that's good enough, right? I absolutely cannot do that, so the more you learn. Yeah. All right, let's sprint to the finish this Friday with some final headlines. It's not Silicon Valley Bank all over again yet, but regional lenders took a beating on the market yesterday after two banks warned they were exposed to alleged fraud by borrowers, adding to the growing worries there might be some rotten loans hidden across Wall Street. Zion's Bank lost 13%

and Western Alliance Bank doubled 11% after making the disclosures, while investment banks Bank Jeffries dropped more than 10%. Safe Haven assets like gold, silver, and bonds jumped as investors started to bite their nails. All of a sudden, it's become a nervy time for the banking sector. Remember, two auto industry companies, first brands and tricolor, collapsed in spectacular fashion over the past month, leading J.P. Morgan boss Jamie Diamond to warn, quote, when you see one cockroach, there are probably more. Maybe they're starting to find the colony. Yeah, we woke up this morning and sure enough, uh, the European stock. their bank index fell nearly 30% in early training, and it honestly feels like not this again. Remember,

we go back to the regional banking crisis that was set off by Silicon Valley Bank collapsing a few years ago. That trickled into the world economy, the global economy where European banks also were affected by that. So to see them start to react to this news as well, you start to think about Jamie Diamond's cockroach comment. And now we are wondering, are we going to start to see a couple more of those pop up? we are going to see this today because a lot of U.S. regional banks are reporting earnings Truest Financial, Huntington, Fifth Third Bank, Regions, and Comerica are all set to report. So suddenly these regional bank earnings, while big bank earnings came in pretty stellar, we're going to look a lot more closely at these smaller banks to see if some of that contagion is spreading.

Moving on, pour one out for TiVo. The iconic babo-boop-sounding, commercial fast-forwarding little magic box, quietly ended sales of its device and accessories this month, bringing to end one of the most iconic runs in TV history. When TiVo launched in 1999, it totally redefined how people watched Law and Order reruns. It allowed viewers to pause, rewind, and record live TV, rendering commercials a thing in the past if you were patient enough to pre-record.

It became a verb unto itself, regardless of what DVR you had. I distinctly remember TiVoing episodes of American Idol growing up, even though we didn't even have TiVo. But all good things must come to an end, and TiVo wasn't built for the streaming era. We now find ourselves in. TiVo and other DVRs were built for cable, recording live from channels,

but the rise of Netflix and others rendered that model increasingly obsolete. Neil, I just caught the tail end of TiVo's cultural zenith. Do you have any memories from using this fantastic piece of tech? Yeah, as I was reflecting on TiVo, I think the one thing that my family used it for that I clearly remember was when the Summer Olympics were overseas. I think it was either Sydney in 2000 or Athens in 2004. There's so much awesome

stuff going on while you're sleeping. So I think we pretty much just recorded every single competition on TiVo. And then we woke up in the morning, ripped through it because a lot of stuff in the Olympics can be a little boring or drag out or have a lot of commercials. So we just used TiVo, recorded everything, and then watched it all later. And it was absolutely revolutionary for that, but also for just TV watching in general. And now you can do all of the same things that TiVo pioneered with streaming services and a bunch of the cable providers also rolled out more first-party tools.

TiVo still lives on. They're trying to become an operating system platform and they're diving more into software and automotive entertainment. So you might start seeing them in the backseat of your cars on those screens, but absolutely what a run, change the way people watch TV.

I'll be forever grateful for TiVo because I watched so many fewer commercials than I was initially expecting to. Okay, finally, prepare for your world to be turned upside down, Chicago's infamous rat hole was not made by a rat, according to science. If you haven't heard of the rat hole or splat tattooy, it's a viral attraction in Shytown where people make pilgrimages to an imprint on a sidewalk that looks like a giant rat got stuck there. And why wouldn't it be a rat? Chicago was named the ratiest city for the 10th year in a row

last year. But then the Buzz Killington's got involved postdoctoral researchers. They studied the rat hole like it was a law and order crime scene and published a study in a real scientific journal this week that concludes the rat hole was made not by a rat but by a larger rodent they said with 99% certainty it was left by either an eastern gray squirrel or a fox squirrel i'm all shook up toby what else just chicago lying about are you about to tell me the bean isn't actually a bean or there's not a person trapped inside the bean that's another chicago lore but the squirrel does make a lot more sense unfortunately those pesky doctor researchers make a good point. One, they call out that squirrels are active during the day when

concrete is most likely to be poured. So that is one that check in the squirrels box. Also, the absence of footprints around this rat hole suggests that it fell from above rather than scurried across. Again, makes sense. Squirrels are probably in trees, rats, not so much. And then the proportions of it, it looks like the reason why they call it a rat is because it looks like there's a little rat tail. But squirrel's bushy tail just probably didn't leave a mark. And so that explains the tail as well. Unfortunately, they make a lot of good points. I don't think anyone cares. They're not going to start calling it the squirrel hole.

I think it's still the rat hole, and it's going to be part of Chicago lore from here until. This is a thing Chicago people do. They call things by their own names. I mean, the Sears Tower switched to the Willis Tower in 2009, and I don't hear anyone ever call it the Willis Tower. They just say the Sears Tower. So people are absolutely going to still call it the rat hole as they should.

All right, that's all the time we have. Thanks for starting your morning with us. Have a wonderful Friday and an even better weekend. If you have any feedback on today's episode, send a note to Morning Brew Daily at Morningbrew.com. Let's roll the credits. Emily Milliron is our executive producer. Raven Lute is our producer. Our associate producers are Olivia Graham and Olivia Lake. Hair and makeup is learning how to identify a high pressure system. Devin Emery is our president and our show is a production of Morning Brew.

Great show today, Neil. I wish you all well.