Murder, Mystery & Makeup - A "freak accident" or pure evil?? Unraveling the death of Phoebe Handsjuk

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Hi friends, happy Tuesday! Phoebe Handsjuk was a 24-year-old Australian woman who had her entire life ahead of her. Until one day, she was found at the bottom of her apartment building's garbage cute... after "falling" 12 stories. No one knew exactly how or why. So let's dive into the chilling details of Phoebe's death... because they continue to baffle investigators and experts to this day. Also, let me know who you want me to talk about next time. Hope you have a great rest of your week, make good choices and I'll be seeing you very soon. xo Bailey Sarian I sometimes talk about my Good Reads in show. So here's the link if you want to check it out. IDK. lol: https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/139701263-bailey _________ FOLLOW ME AROUND Tik Tok: https://bit.ly/3e3jL9v Instagram: http://bit.ly/2nbO4PR Facebook: http://bit.ly/2mdZtK6 Twitter: http://bit.ly/2yT4BLV Pinterest: http://bit.ly/2mVpXnY Youtube: http://bit.ly/1HGw3Og Snapchat: https://bit.ly/3cC0V9d Discord: https://discord.gg/BaileySarian RECOMMEND A STORY HERE: [e-mail] Business Related Emails: [e-mail] Business Related Mail: Bailey Sarian 4400 W. Riverside Dr., Ste 110-300 Burbank, CA 91505 _______ Personal styling for everyone—get started today at https://www.stitchfix.com/makeup.  Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to https://www.rocketmoney.com/makeup today. 

Hi friends, how are you today? My name is Bailey Sarian and today is Monday, which means it's Murder, Mystery, and Makeup Monday! Okay, hi if you are new here, hi again. My name is Bailey Sarian and on Mondays I sit down and I talk about a true crime story that's been heavy on my noggin and I do my makeup at the same time, you know, to keep my hands busy. If you're interested in true crime and you like makeup, I would say subscribe. So today's story is definitely one that's been heavy on my noggin because I mean, geez, this story is so weird.

So weird, oh my God. Has kept me up so many nights because it's like, you're trying to piece it all together to make it make sense and none of it makes sense. So if you're ever curious to know what I'm using I'll list it in the description box down below but other than that I will shut up and tell you about today's story. So takes place December 2nd 2010 in the heart of Melbourne Australia. So the story takes place at the Valencia apartments. You know, they stand tall. They're a luxury high-rise that promises like safety and sophistication. But

something, something unthinkable happens. Phoebe Hanstuck, a 24-year-old woman is found dead at the bottom of a garbage chute. Yes, you heard that right. A garbage chute. Now, it appeared she had fallen through the garbage disposal chute from the 12th floor where Phoebe had shared an apartment with her boyfriend. I know, already weird. Though the police had ruled her death as a suicide and the coroner had determined her death was a freak accident many many many many did not accept this as her cause of death no so let's not get

ahead of ourselves let's rewind and get to know phoebe a little bit phoebe sounded like a wonderful person she was born may 9th 1986 in melbourne, Australia to her mother, Natalie, and her father, Len. Len was a psychiatrist and he had, for a long time, he had been a psychiatrist for like 40 years now. She had two younger brothers named Nikolai and Tom. Yes. And the family lived in Richmond, which was like a suburb of Melbourne. Now, growing up, it was said that Phoebe was known to be a free spirit, a wild child. She had a really active imagination. She loved being

active herself, like going outside in nature or going to the ocean. She was also an avid climber and a martial artist. I know, she's doing a lot. On top of all of this, she was artistically gifted and very creative. In school, she was very popular. She loved socializing. She liked being around her peers and people just overall really seemed to like her.

She played on like a basketball team with some of her friends and she was very competitive. She was really good too. She would like zip from one side of the court to the other and like she was unstoppable on the court. It was also said that Phoebe was quite cheeky and playful and she had like a really funny sense of humor. But on the other hand, she could be extremely sensitive, compassionate, and also quick-tempered. Phoebe was known to like feel things pretty deeply. I was trying to think like, what do you call that? I think an empath, right?

I think she would like feel deeply, okay? And I think a lot of the times when you are a person like that who just feels a lot, it can lead to depression, you know? So Phoebe, she really struggled with that too. It just seemed like Phoebe had a lot of emotions as we all do but you know she felt a lot well when Phoebe became a teenager things got a little funky as they do with like you know a lot of teenagers they go through that phase she started experimenting with drugs and alcohol at 15 and you know to her parents it

was very troubling she was acting out it wasn't good at one point i guess she had like run away from home and she went to go live with this guy i'm sure how they met and stuff so it doesn't matter but she went to go live with this guy he was like an ex-convict and he was living with his kid and she went to go live with him for like eight weeks teenagers um again not sure how she met this guy but like that happened i guess eventually phoebe had she came home and then she got onto some antidepressants in hopes just to get her back on track and whatnot and um she did she like she seemed to get back on track But then not long after she met another guy. This guy was like twice her age and worked as a teacher.

And I guess they started dating for a while. But still, regardless, I mean, she was very protective of her family. She loved her brothers. And she had a very special and close relationship with her grandmother. And I guess like she would confide in her grandmother pretty often. Well, despite like these rocky years, Phoebe, you know, she still had like bigger plans for her future, goals in life. Like one of her goals was to travel and go to India and like do aid work. So life carried on, you know, and Phoebe, when she was 23 years old, she got a job working as a receptionist

at Lindley Godfrey Hair Salon in South Yara. While she was there, she was working there, you know? And like, that's where she met 39 year old Anthony Hample. Everyone called him Ant for short, so I'm gonna call him Ant. He worked as like an events promoter and he worked with like a lot of celebrity clientele, people who had money, you know what I'm gonna call him Ant. He worked as like an events promoter and he worked with like a lot of celebrity clientele people who had money you know what I'm saying he could like well he would come into the hair salon and get his hair done and that's how he met Phoebe. Many people

said or thought that Ant was quite handsome and he had come from like a really good family his dad was a supreme court judge oh yes his name was george hample and his stepmom was a county court judge uh not good but we'll get into it anyways she was named uh felicity hample well phoebe and aunt they you know they meet each other they hit it off and they decide to start dating. And the two of them end up dating for like five months, and then they decide to move in together. Phoebe moves into his place, his apartment. It's on St. Gilda Road, and they move in together in October of 2009. So again, this was in that like luxury apartment.

It was on the 12th floor. Luxury apartment building called Valencia. It's a nice apartment building. Big windows. Beautiful views. Lots of fancy amenities. It was money. So just like this. Like on the surface seemed like this glamorous cute couple. It's like beauty and business. Just living this fancy life. But you and I both know that it's never like that, is it, huh? Appearances are always deceiving. So it was said that, especially during this time, but Phoebe had an on-again, off-again relationship with alcohol. And at this time, she was drinking a lot i guess aunt and phoebe had a pretty rocky relationship

they would break up they would get back together break up repeat you know she started seeing a psychiatrist or she was seeing a psychiatrist but phoebe would tell her psychiatrist lots of things about her relationship with aunt like that he was verbally abusive that he was aggressive and mainly that she was upset in the relationship it was said that her psychiatrist her psychiatrist later like kind of testified or whatever but she said that like she was working with phoebe to like get out of this relationship or help her see that she needed to get out of this relationship like it wasn't good for her but Phoebe would always end up kind of going back. Phoebe had left aunt like four different times in the six weeks before her death and Phoebe's boss at the hair

salon said that aunt always managed to lure Phoebe back in one of those you know unfortunately Phoebe's fourth return to aunt would be her last so December 1st 2010 this was the day before her death Phoebe had sent a really strange text message to her brothers her parents and her grandmother, and her grandmother. Oh, and her boss. And the text message said, quote, hi family, I'm in bed and about to sleep. And when I wake, I will transform into the most incredible human being you've ever seen. Dot, dot, dot. Not. I will go to hospital. It's safer there. And I hear the special tonight is tomato soup. Delicious, nutritious, nutritious, nutritious, nutritious. There we go. I love you all very much,

but not enough to send an individual text. Sorry about that, but time asleep, and I must be on my way. Merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream. XO. I know, if you got that text message what would you do i'd be like uh k send i don't know you know i don't know what i would say to that but obviously it was concerning right phoebe's mother natalie she received the the text message like as she was boarding onto

an airplane so she knew she wasn't going to get a response. So she reaches out to like her mom, who is Phoebe's grandma. And she asked her, Jeanette is her name. Phoebe's grandma's name is Jeanette. So she asked Jeanette like, hey, can you can you check on Phoebe? Because she kind of lived close by. Well, Jeanette tried to call Phoebe. no answer. So she calls aunt, no answer. So the next day on December 2nd, at like 10.35 in the morning, Jeanette, Phoebe's grandma, she reaches out again to see if she can get an answer, right?

But this time she's able to reach aunt. And the first thing she asked aunt was like, is Phoebe okay? And I guess aunt was confused a little bit because he didn't know about Phoebe's bizarre text message. Allegedly, we don't know. He told Jeanette that he had left Phoebe sleeping peacefully that morning, but that he would

swing by the apartment and like check on her since his office wasn't that far. So on this day, Phoebe was, you know, just back at the apartment. At 1144 a.m., there was CCTV footage of her leaving the apartment because there was a fire alarm. Like, I guess the fire alarm inside the building had accidentally been set off. So everyone had to get out. So you can see Phoebe on camera leaving with her dog. And then she takes him for a little walk. And then it's not even that long she's caught back on camera returning to the apartment complex and then she goes to the 12th floor residence now nobody knows what happened in the hours that followed it's very bizarre what we do know for

sure is that phoebe was drinking heavily and that sounds kind of douchey to say but like she was she had a lot of alcohol in her system so at some point phoebe had left her apartment before seven o'clock p.m because she leaves the apartment and she like somehow plunged down the garbage chute it's so weird The garbage chute was like right outside the apartment, you know, on the wall. You know, you go to it, you open it and then you drop garbage into it. I hope you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. It's like with that thing that you open up when you drop off mail.

Trying to explain this. I think you get it, but sure. But it's pretty small. Like it measured just 14.5 by 8.6 inches so not huge but somehow she got in there and she fell nearly 40 meters or 131 feet down from the 12th floor she gets in there and falls now she survived the fall and I guess she was in the garbage room place. She was like desperately trying to get out. She's trying to get out the garbage bin that she fell in. Because she fell feet first, the garbage compactor at the bottom of the bin had essentially severed

her right foot. Oy, I know. Sadly, Phoebe bled out in the dark alone. And when she was found, her jeans were below her knees, kind of closer to her ankles. They were undone at the waist and her belt was only threaded through the first two of like five belt loops. So just a very odd, weird, what happened kind of scene. Okay so let me tell you the days leading up to Phoebe's death. So things leading up to her death I mean they seemed really off. That Monday morning Phoebe had an appointment with her psychologist who would later say that her mood was like very low. She seemed to be distressed regarding her relationship and on that same Monday night Phoebe and aunt I guess had gone out with some friends to get dinner but things didn't go so well. It was said that Phoebe was just like trying to open up and have a conversation with her friend you know fucking talk and when she

spoke aunt kept like shutting her down preventing her from sharing her thoughts or emotions, anything. The friends from dinner that night said that their evening had ended abruptly. Phoebe and aunt had left. Things were kind of tense, I guess. But when Phoebe and aunt had left, they drove back to the apartment and then they got into like a heated argument in the car park. It was said that Phoebe had like left the car park in tears. Then she called up an old party friend asking if they would meet with her for a drink at a bar nearby. So this friend agrees. I guess they go to like a bar, whatever. They have a few drinks and they stay for like about an hour. The friend had noted that her phone was ringing non-stop, call after call after call.

And later phone records revealed that phoebe had missed 27 missed calls from aunt during that hour she was at the bar the friend from the dinner said like the non-stop calls from aunt had made her like really upset obviously you know so when they were leaving the bar i guess phoebe was so annoyed that she like just threw her phone across the street and it broke. It was said that Phoebe had two phones. She had the iPhone, which she threw, whatever. And the iPhone, it technically belonged to Ant, it was his phone, but she was using it. I guess it's like a girlfriend perk. Like, you can have my old phone. Like, that was kind of the vibe I was getting and then she had her old Nokia phone I think that was like her main phone whatever but her Nokia phone has actually never been found no one knows where that went it was said that Phoebe didn't

return to the apartment that night she was really angry you know which is probably for the better she ended up driving out to her mom's house her mom was out of town but she hung out to her mom's house. Her mom was out of town but she hung out with her mom's partner and stayed up talking just about her crappy relationship and how unhappy she was. Then based off of phone records Phoebe had returned to her apartment by Tuesday morning after aunt had left for work. So Phoebe must have been feeling some type of way the next morning because on Tuesday she had made a couple of phone calls to a crisis line at Alfred Hospital. Then she called her psychiatrist. Her psychiatrist later testified that Phoebe told her on the phone that she was extremely distressed about her relationship issues, that she was

drinking heavily, and that she felt unsafe. This is what the psychiatrist said. And I was like, damn, like, shouldn't the psychiatrist have helped a little bit more? I guess, I don't know, I don't know. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Just feels like if a client of yours says like, I don't feel safe, that would be a red flag. But I don't know, it doesn't matter.

So she makes these phone calls. I guess nothing really comes of it. Then before 4 p.m Phoebe sent out a text to her grandmother Jeanette telling her that she would call her the next day. In a later interview aunt said that he when he got home Tuesday he had taken Phoebe's iPhone and took it to like a repair shop that was close by because she had broken it from throwing it but that's why she wasn't returning anyone's phone calls and stuff that's what he said so december 2nd in the morning it was like 8 30 9 o'clock aunt had left the apartment for work this is the day she passed away this day she had plans to have dinner with her father it was his birthday like a couple days ago and she wanted to have dinner

with him and they were going to meet up at some restaurant and have dinner together. It was noted that around 8 45 in the morning she had sent out an email and used the computer inside the apartment a couple of times and then again at 11 43 in the morning that's when the fire alarm went off. So she had left the building, you know, she had returned to the building at like 1150. And once returning, she went back to the 12th floor apartment. Again, she used the computer and they were able to like track like computer movement and stuff. Then between the hours of 12 p.m. to 7 p.m. Again, nobody knows what the hell was going on. It's very unclear.

Ant had come home to the apartment at 6 p.m. He was driving a Range Rover. He pulled it into the building's basement garage. Ant then took the elevator and like let himself into the apartment. Now, when he gets to the apartment, he couldn't remember if the front door was locked when he arrived or unlocked.

But what he did remember was walking into the apartment and his dog Yoshi greeted him but then he looks around and he notices that the apartment was just a hot mess. There were shards of broken glass on the floor. He said it smelled like incense either were burning or like were just had just been burning the living room pillows were ripped there were two wine glasses on the table what was most concerning was that there was blood spattered across the keyboard and computer so uh what then he said he peeked into the bathroom and that's when he saw that on the floor was phoebe's hair straightener and it was still plugged in i know if the hair straightener is plugged in and it's on the ground

you know something went down so on the kitchen counter was phoebe's purse wallet and her keys but phoebe was nowhere to be found now according to to Ant, everything is according to Ant, there were several like post-it notes with strange scribbles all over the kitchen counter. He knew that this stuff was, the post-its were new because the house cleaner had combined like cleaned everything the day before. So they were recent. Ant said he went into the bedroom and he found what he called a shrine on the bed. I don't know if I believe him on this one. There's no pics, but sure. He said there's a shrine.

He said that on the bed, there was like a photo of himself and Phoebe and a photo of her cat. And what he later described as rambled notes, the notes she writes when she's smashed. They don't make a lot of sense that's what he said so the apartment was concerning and phoebe was gone but and he carried on with his night like everything was normal listen he got some beer he made a couple phone calls to like friends and co-workers and then he ordered some food delivery you know which is so weird right like even if everything was totally fine let's say nothing bad even happened when you get home wouldn't like the first thing you do if you see broken glass on the floor you would clean up the broken glass right you got a dog your dog might walk in it spread it around everywhere

it's gonna get in your feet oh that's the worst when you get some glass in your foot. He didn't. He just like, leaved everything as is and went on with his night. I think it was intentional, but I don't know. Then at 6.51 p.m., it was like 40 minutes had gone by, okay, since aunt had come home. So Phoebe's father is calling phoebe's iphone len and aunt have different memories as to what happened next so according to len phoebe's father aunt answered his call on phoebe's iphone len said that he was calling phoebe's phone to let

her know that he was running late for dinner but it went to voicemail. Within one minute of her dad's call aunt for the first time ever called Phoebe's dad. So aunt tells Len that Phoebe's phone was not in the apartment but he just so happened to call her dad the same minute he called her. Does that make sense? Aunt said like it was just like an odd coincidence it's a weird one though so on the other hand aunt said that he called len from his own phone a minute later because he thought phoebe might have like gone to meet len and that he didn't know it was a minute later because he didn't have the phone it was just a weird coincidence that's crazy wow the universe is so weird right everyone regardless of who called who, when the

both of them talked on the phone, Len had explained that he was trying to call Phoebe because, you know, they made plans to have dinner to celebrate his birthday. And they were supposed to meet at one of Phoebe's favorite restaurants. It's called the Golden Triangle. And Len was calling to say again that he was running late but aunt told Len over the phone she's not here and then he goes on to say her bag and her keys are here so like she can't be too far away so Len was worried when aunt said Phoebe wasn't in the apartment and Len tells aunt that maybe he should report her missing and aunt again on the phone he's like he tells len no i'm not gonna report her missing like it's not necessary they don't listen until 48 hours have passed and she'll be

back by then everyone seems to always believe i don't even know if that's true anymore the 48 hours thing anyways but he was like no no it's fine meanwhile between 7 0 4 and 7.11 p.m., a concierge at the Valencia Apartments downstairs main lobby were there. Concierge was like, I need a broom. They got to do some cleaning duties, okay? So they go looking for a broom. And they try to open the door, the door that's going to lead them to the broom. And this door was stuck, right? Stuck, not moving. So then

after a couple attempts to open the door, that's when this person comes across Phoebe lying in a pool of her own blood besides the garbage bin. Oh, horrible. Could you imagine? No. I was going to say, could you imagine? No, I couldn't imagine that'd be awful obviously the first thing they did was dial 000 which is equivalent to 911 000 makes way more sense it's easy it's right there 000 I don't know why they make us do 911 like it's not 000 makes more sense thank you so the police end up showing up and they were given the keys to the garbage room where again it appears phoebe had just plummeted 40 meters to the ground floor she must have like landed in the garbage compactor leaving her with several injuries and almost a

severed foot they came to the conclusion that like phoebe when she landed she was still alive because around the garbage bins there were blood smears uh where she must have like gotten her strength to get up and like crawl out of the bin and then she was bleeding to death while she struggled to find the exit poor thing was so sad so an ambulance was called at 7 20 p.m which was like 20 minutes after phoebe was initially found so the paramedics arrived through like seven minutes later and their presence just seemed to add like chaos in this relatively small foyer and the corridor area that led to the garbage room so one of the paramedics her name was christy and she was told by police the name was Christy, and she was told by police that the room was a crime scene

and she was not, like, allowed to enter the area. Now, this went against, like, all of Christy's training and instincts, but still, like, there was nothing she could do. I mean, the police were in charge and they wouldn't let her enter. Christy wasn't happy about being prevented from trying to help, and it was said, like, well, she later said she lost a lot of sleep over it and that there were like no reports that anyone laid hands on Phoebe

to see if she was still warm or to check like if she was actually dead, which is fucked up. But the room was considered a crime scene. So police didn't allow anyone in until the crime scene specialist arrived which was like hours later so not long after one of the managers of the apartments shows up his name was eric so it's eric guy he goes up to police and he's like hey you know we have cctv footage you

know maybe you guys want to get that or i can give that to you and it would help with like the situation eric also told the officers that they would have to act quickly because the camera footage operated on a two-day loop, meaning that it would record over previous footage every two days. So Eric said in an interview, quote, I suggested to the police that if they needed any CCTV, they should start downloading.

He also said, quote, they didn't really respond to me suggesting this thank you eric so the cameras kept running police told eric like we'll let you know if we need the footage we'll call you pretty much so then two days go by and of course the police are like, hey, can we get that CCTV footage? It's not funny. It's just stupid, right? Yeah. Obviously the tapes had filmed over.

Some of them had at this point. So they were able to get like three or four of the camera footage from like the 16 cameras. Yeah. The rest had been filmed over with like new footage. Meanwhile, all this is going on downstairs and was just completely unaware living in his own little world you know so again he ordered some takeout he actually ordered takeout from the golden triangle which was like the restaurant phoebe and her dad were supposed to go to that evening don't you think that's a little weird i

thought that was a little weird like why wouldn't he just go with them? Or was he trying to make it seem like he didn't go with them? I don't know. I might be overthinking it. I just thought that was weird. So he ordered delivery just for himself and the food arrived just after like 8 p.m. The food was delivered to his apartment. Knock, knock, knock. Your food's here. So aunt answers his door and the food delivery man asked aunt like, hey, what's going on here? And aunt was like, what are you talking about? Like, what do you mean what's going on? And then delivery man was like out front, like the front of the building is swarming with cops, there are police cars, ambulance. Like I had to prop my bike up on the street. And then he left it with like, I hope your food isn't cold. So aunt

takes the food. He brings it inside. He puts't cold. So aunt takes the food he brings it inside he puts it down he has that downstairs where he sees a bunch of police officers and stuff and he goes up to one of the detectives and he's like what's going on? So this is when the senior sergeant told aunt that a woman's body had been found in the trash compactor room. Apparently aunt had followed that with oh no my girlfriend is missing could it be her my acting kind of sucks oh no so aunt like starts to ramble i think he's in a panic you know because his girlfriend is missing but he tells the sergeant like oh my girlfriend's been missing all day i've been at work i was trying to call her every couple hours i got no response he also tells the sergeant

like she's suffering from depression and taking medication and that she wasn't home when I got home. I tried calling her. No answer. Sometimes she disappears. Like, I don't know. Maybe she'll turn up. Just list of things like, OK. He even tells the sergeant about the post-it notes. He's like, yeah, and then she left some post-it notes. I have no idea like where she went. Anthony goes back up to the apartment to grab like a recent photo of Phoebe so you know they could ID her. So when Ant shows the image to the sergeant that's when they confirm like we think this is Phoebe. So the sergeant and another detective they go up to Ant and Phoebe's apartment to examine the area and the surrounding area. This is where the police completely flopped. The detectives noted that there were

several interesting factors. There were some broken glass and some blood on the floor. The Post-it notes were strange, allegedly left by Phoebe. And it was also strange that the dog was in the process of ripping up another cushion. They were like, noted. The two detectives also searched the entire 12th floor strange that the dog was in the process of ripping up another cushion they were like noted the two detectives also searched the entire 12th floor and found blood on the floor of the refuse room

where the garbage chute was like located they also found a mixture of dna from at least like two people who's in the bloodstains on the inside door of the ground floor refuse room. So they find all this like blood and stuff and like I don't know they didn't test any of it. I don't know none of it. So again they also found blood around the apartment itself like near the computer. Now the police, they took some photos, but for some reason they didn't take pictures of everything. They took like three photos, it seemed like. Also, they didn't test for DNA on that blood either. Police didn't take any of Phoebe's or Anne's devices. None of the laptops or cell phones were examined.

There were also large shoe prints that were leading away from the apartment that was noted, pointed out, but no photos and no samples were taken. Okay, I mean it could have been hers, but like based off what I was reading didn't seem like it was hers. It seemed like they were like questionable shoe prints. So again it was noted that there were two glasses on the kitchen counter area. One appeared to have wine in it. The other one looked like it was noted that there were two glasses on the kitchen counter area one appeared to have wine in it the other one looked like it was kind of empty but there were two glasses so a lot of people think there were two people honestly when looking at the glasses

I was thinking one kind of looked like it would have hard liquor in it and the other one was like a chaser that's what kind of reminded me of but like either way none of the glasses were taken for like fingerprints or DNA. There was one person at the scene who said like inside the apartment on like a wall that was kind of near the kitchen, there was a large smudge on it. And it was said to be like a dark substance. But again, no photos or samples taken.

It kind of sounded like this dark substance was like i'm jumping to conclusions here but like a like if when your skin comes in contact with the wall and it leaves behind like that it kind of gets a greasy and dirty looking just me all right but that's kind of like what it sounded like you know like someone had smudged up against it but they didn't get a photo so like i said many people believe like police really botched this investigation and i'm sure you can agree i think they did so when the time came anthony or aunt he told the detectives that he was too upset to view phoebe's body and id her so his her parents ended up doing it but once he was alone he called up his mom her name

was suzanne owen and his stepfather his name is robert he calls them at first he then calls phoebe's father len to tell him that phoebe had had died then len told like the rest of the family passed on the bad news uh so i guess when phoebe's grandmother was called like the first thing she said when she picked up the phone was like is she okay you know wondering about phoebe because like i said earlier jeanette was super super close to her granddaughter phoebe and like probably how the whole family sounded like phoebe and her grandma had a super close relationship and was one of like her closest confidants and in the days leading up to phoebe's passing i guess phoebe had actually gone and like visited her grandma and she told her that she was going to leave her

boyfriend and and her grandma told her gave her some advice and was like you should go back to the apartment and like tell him that it's over face to face you know and make sure like you end on good terms that's what her grandma says to her. And like in interviews now, like to this day, her grandma, I think we understand why regrets ever saying that. Jeanette, she ended up showing, you know, Phoebe's grandma, she ended up showing texts that she got from aunt from that morning, the morning of Phoebe's death. Jeanette had texted aunt asking like how they both were and he had replied at like 8.30 in the morning. He wrote back, thanks Marm. Marm.

She is sleeping beauty right now and not the beast she was. Resting well and I've explained now is the time to heal. Then when she feels okay, we'll work out a plan. So Victoria police concluded that Phoebe's death was the result of a suicide. And then the coroner, they ruled that her death was a freak accident. According to the coroners, Phoebe had a blood alcohol level of 0.16, which is like three times the legal limit. So they know like her final hours

involved heavy drinking. Phoebe also had Stilnox in her system, which is a prescription sleeping pill. And the coroner's believed she had taken like one or two of these sleeping pills. Now, the coroner's opinion was that Phoebe, while inside her apartment, had accidentally like broken a glass and she attempted to clean it up. And while doing so, she must have accidentally cut herself. And that's why there was, like, blood in the apartment. She then carried a garbage bag to the garbage chute, and because she was so intoxicated, she made the decision to climb into the garbage chute on her own,

which then led to her death. They even went on to say that Phoebe most likely was in a sleepwalking state after drinking the alcohol and, like, taking the sleeping pills. And, like, okay, sure. But but to many this didn't add up this didn't make sense and i'll tell you why police during their investigation didn't look into the garbage and you're like why would they do that because if phoebe didn't throw her trash away or whatever, and like this is the story that they think happened, then maybe they could try and like, you know, tie a garbage bag to Phoebe's apartment. Kind of help with their story to make it make sense. And if they find like a bag belonging to her and like their apartment trash, it would make sense.

But, you know, police failed to like make any connection there so at the scene phoebe's sunglasses were found right next to her in the refuse room which led to many people asking like why would she take her sunglasses with her while attempting to climb into a garbage chute like they were on her head or something they believe also when she was found her jeans were down to her like below her knees and her belt was only looped into two of the five belt loops now if she fell feet first into a narrow garbage chute her jeans they wouldn't slip down they would slip up or they'd be pushed upwards you know so like didn't make sense and also her falling down a garbage chute wouldn't undo her belt.

Many people have suggested like, oh, it kind of seemed like she was in the middle of like looping her belt into her jeans and then she ended up there or something. Like nobody could make sense of the jeans or her sunglasses. It was just kind of like a weird, it's super weird. There's no answers there. Not even the coroners or anyone could like make sense of it.

So Phoebe's grandfather. This guy's so great. So great. I just feel bad because like the circumstances are awful obviously. But her grandfather he's a retired police detective. And he was not convinced. He was like Phoebe was murdered. I think she was murdered.

And he wanted to prove that it would have been virtually impossible to climb into a garbage chute on your own. Because if these reports were true, like, Phoebe would have to climb into the chute feet first, which is tough, especially if you're in, like, a sleep-like state. Like, it's not on the ground or anything. Like, this garbage chute thing is like up high. The garbage chute had a 22 centimeter latch and the opening of this thing is like a little wider than a laptop. There were no handholds or like supporting structures

on the wall near the garbage chute. So getting into the thing alone would be super difficult. On top of that, once something is inserted into the chute, the door automatically closes, which again would make it very hard to enter the chute. There was like a retired detective, his name was Roland Legge. He would say like, one of the major problems,

apart from the dimensions, is that the door comes up against your lower back and jams you in. So trying to maneuver yourself is then not helped by the fact that there is nothing to grip onto. So this is where Phoebe's grandpa is like a badass because he's like, I'm going to do my own experiment. He had a model who was the same size as Phoebe. He brings them in and has them try to get into the shoot on their own, which

turns out was just not possible. There's footage of this because they uploaded it on YouTube. So you can actually watch it, but they tried numerous times with failed results every time. So then they tried it again. The model person had some assistance. It was like another person lifting her up and putting her into the shoot and that that worked but it required her to raise her arms above her head to successfully get in and that's worth saying because the investigators who analyzed the crime scene said that phoebe's arms were most likely by her side during the fall because she had a bunch of injuries on her arms and they're like that means like her arms were probably down by her side now this part is where it just screams like like i don't even know what the screams it's just annoying because

like they saw that she had bruises because phoebe had several bruises on her arms neck and wrists and they were like hand marks like come on like someone was grabbing. And they even say, like, in the reports, it could be from someone, like, being aggressive and grabbing. But it also could be from something else. It's just like, okay. But there was some on her arms. And there was one on her neck, too. Come the fuck on. The coroner and the police were like, nope, those are from the fall itself.

And they were like set on this. They still are. So then when the coroner came out and ruled Phoebe's death as like suicide slash freak accident, whatever the hell they said, and applied for Phoebe's superannuation fund. I'm sure I said that right australia but it's like um it's kind of like a retirement or savings plan that's used in australia in other words he was trying to receive a death benefit payment and like this was just not even long after they came out with the report i wonder if he had debts aunt's father remember, remember he was a judge, a big judge.

His name is George Hample. He signed a statutory declaration, which is like a legal statement. So in Ant's declaration, George Hample exaggerated the length of Ant and Phoebe's living situation. He said, or he like signed a thing that said that phoebe and aunt were living together for six months longer than they actually were in order for aunt to receive phoebe's payment no no now aunt ended up receiving a payment of 113 000 so that's a lot damn you guys got some good benefits out there huh so he receives the payment and then there were like several disputes uh obviously the family was very upset by this and they were trying to fight him on it and eventually aunt kind of gives in and he gives some money to phoebe's

brothers but the fact that he did that in the first place huh wow oh that's not all. So then aunt and his family, they hold a funeral for Phoebe at some fancy yacht club. It was said that like some of Phoebe's closest friends weren't even invited. I think it was just for show. And then Phoebe's family, they had their own funeral, which was more modest. It was by the river and aunt did not attend. just weeks after phoebe's death and actually sold his apartment at the valencia many thought weird so phoebe's family was really pushing for um like the police and investigators and the courts to like investigate this death because it was it's strange it's bizarre right but of course like ann and his family strongly opposed into looking into phoebe's death further the coroner had ruled that the combination of sleeping pills and alcohol had affected phoebe's mental state which led to her

entering the garbage chute and losing her life the coroners had like an assisting council they disagreed they were saying that this evidence left the possibility of third party involvement, which possibly included aunt. But what the coroner ruled, ruled. So it didn't matter what other people said. Just so dumb. I wonder who's paying them off. So Phoebe's family had actually tried to challenge the coroner's findings like multiple times, but nothing ever really seemed to come from it. They kept getting denied.

Phoebe's parents were straight up told like that it would be challenging trying to find a lawyer that would go against aunt's parents. Again, one was a Supreme Court judge, his dad, and his stepmom was a county court judge. So yeah. court judge his dad and his stepmom was a county court judge so yeah then in august 2013 a coroner's inquest into phoebe's death was launched they finally decided okay fine we'll look into this so obviously like anthony's attorney objected to the notion that Phoebe was murdered. He's like, no, look at what everyone else said. And during the inquest, coroner Peter White had testified once again that Phoebe sleepwalked herself right into that shoe. But there's a detective. His name is Detective O'Brien.

He was actually with Aunt the night of Phoebe's death. And he testified saying that Anthony's demeanor at the time was strange. I was like go on yes what about it what? In a statement to the court Detective O'Brien said that he remembered Ant cried but that there were no tears running down his face nor did it appear that there had been any at all. He added that Ant was sniffling, yet there was no sign of mucus or snot coming from his nose. He also said that his eyes were not bloodshot or red and his face appeared quite normal.

Again, that night, like police officers went to Ant and they were like, hey, we need to like get your statement. And Ant Tripp told the officer, oh, I can type the statement up myself. He told the officer like, I'm a really fast typist. I could just type it for you really quick. And the officer was like, okay. And he said, the officer said that as soon as Ant started typing his statement, he immediately stopped crying and appeared calm and composed. There was someone else who like came forward and said aunt was being weird. One of his longtime friends her name was Vanessa Levin. She was shocked at his unusual behavior after Phoebe's death. She said that he

appeared to enjoy all the people that were coming by his apartment saying that he was lapping up the attention. This friend also said that while she was visiting aunt he would be totally fine normal everything was great he was scrolling on Facebook answering emails but then as soon as like a visitor came by he would go to the couch grab a pillow go into the fetal position and just cry. Do we expect him to be crying all day every day? No. But this friend was saying that it seemed like he was turning on and off his emotions. You know what I'm saying? It seemed like a performance a little bit. Now when Phoebe's grandmother Jeanette came over to the apartment she said something was off. She looked around the apartment and she was

like there is nothing around this apartment that even belongs to Phoebe or like shows Phoebe's personality, which you would assume there would be like traces of your existence in your apartment that you live in, right? She said there was nothing around the apartment that was a Phoebe's except for carefully arranged photographs of aunt and Phoebe that were like laid out on the table she was like this is weird because phoebe liked to paint she was a colorful person like you know so she was just like this is weird so there was another friend this one's weird uh it was aunt's friend his name was christo i guess they were they were like work colleagues and it was said that their relationship was only professional but many disagree that it was only

professional they seemed extra friendly like there was many photos of them on facebook that made them seem like they were really good personal friends like there's photos of them on a yacht in europe and the two of them would like engage in some banter in the comment section people were like okay but that's not the point the point is that Christo would go to aunt's apartment concierge office and go speak with the lady who initially found Phoebe's body why well Christo had showed up with like a bottle of wine and some chocolate for for the woman and then started talking with her about phoebe's death and how she struggled with depression and that aunt tried to help her but that phoebe didn't want to be saved like going on and on about it yes this guy this random ass guy huh this friend

was telling the concierge lady like all of this now i guess it was said that cristo had visited the concierge like every second or third day for about two weeks and was like having the same conversation weird right so after so many visits i get the concierge pretty much told him like don't come back because you're upsetting you're upsetting me like i don't want to talk about this with you so they told him not to come back isn't that weird though right like what was that about what was that I mean it's not illegal to do that but like you know when Ant was like asked directly whether he had any involvement with Phoebe's death he said absolutely not just had to throw that out there he did deny it he told everyone that phoebe was depressed she was drinking a lot she was borrowing money from him and like maybe it was

suicide like maybe she was over it like aunt mentioned though that before her death he had bought tickets for them for him and phoebe to go to paris together like the next month it was like three weeks and that it was something that she was looking forward to and like this was confirmed by Phoebe's family that aunt had purchased tickets to go to Paris with her. So she had told one of her family members that she wanted out of the relationship but she was gonna like suck it up until after the trip. I say that only because it was kind of like part of their defense like see she didn't she didn't have killed herself she was making plans you know i don't know because phoebe's death was initially listed as a suicide this prevented further investigation or investigations like trying to access and analyze phoebe's computer and emails and phoebe's parents were finally able to like access her gmail

account only to find out that all of ph Phoebe's sent emails had been wiped out and deleted. So aunt had a sister. Her name was Chrissy, but apparently she had a pretty close bond with Phoebe. Like they're close. So Chrissy is a hample, meaning she has powerful parents, but Chrissy was like a bad egg. She would sell drugs. She would get into trouble, you know. But she would sell like drugs to aunt's friends and like some people in Australia's high society. And Phoebe was aware of this, you know. I think everyone maybe was.

But after Phoebe's death, Chrissy, she got arrested and was facing drug trafficking charges. But because of her family, they had a lot of power and a lot of influence and they were able to evade conviction. So she was let go. But then in 2016, Chrissy went on Facebook. I love when people go on Facebook and just say wild shit but she went on Facebook and she posted a picture of herself and Phoebe and then she wrote in the caption like in loving memory I stumbled across my favorite pic of beautiful Phoebe I miss you darling you were a

fragile little flower that no one watered you and your family were let down by the justice system and those who represent it. I only hope that one day the truth will come out so that they will have some peace. Ooh, the truth, the truth will come out. Interesting. So, you know, after a year and a half into like their investigation called an inquest um they came to the same conclusion that phoebe had either committed suicide or it's a freak accident and like anthony was off the hook so nothing came of it anthony was never charged or even considered a suspect to To this day, like, the case remains unsolved. The courts and all

that will say it's solved. They'll say, yeah, it was a suicide or whatever, but to many, like, it's unsolved, and to her family as well. They continue to search for answers, because it's all so weird, right? But then it leads us into one other little situation. So there's this girl named Bailey. She's 25 years old. She lives in Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia. There's some similarities to Phoebe's story. Bailey was known for like being outgoing, fun, beautiful. She was a model. She did, she did stuff. So then this leads us into our, like our little other mini story we got going on right now. 25 year old Bailey Schneider.

She was kind of similar to Phoebe in some ways. She had an active social life. She was very popular. She was gorgeous. And people seemed to really love her. And then on June 24th, 2018, she was at home with her parents. She was like on her phone and her parents are like okay we're gonna go out to like the

supermarket or something and she's like okay like she stays behind i guess bailey had like a bad day before her and her boyfriend had gotten into a fight at like a barbecue so she's kind of just bumming out over it right so parents take parents take off, go to the grocery store. And when they come back, that's when they find Bailey. They return home and they find Bailey's lifeless body slumped against the baseboards by a cupboard in the kitchen. She had a gold cord tied around her neck as if she had hanged herself. But she didn't hang herself.

It was odd. It was odd because because one there was no place in the kitchen where the 178 centimeter tall bailey could have hanged herself despite this like police concluded that her death was a suicide her parents strongly disagreed over a year later an investigation was opened regarding her death. And at this point, police obtained her two mobile phones, searched them, and they came to the conclusion that like it was self-inflicted. The connection here is that Bailey also dated Anthony Hample. Now, what are the odds of that? A guy has two girlfriends who kill themselves? Like, hmm, that's weird, man. That's random. He's got a lot of weird coincidences going on, doesn't he? So I guess like Bailey, it was on again, off again. It was very toxic. This is just based off of what i read there's like not

that much information out there about her i'm gonna make an assumption here i don't really know too much but i think because her background was a little she's like a party girl she i think she worked at a strip club and stuff so it's like they didn't really report just about her and like her relationship or anything like that couldn't find anything really except for surface stuff and the fact that like she was a stripper and whatnot so okay but like there's more to her than that what was i even getting at i don't remember but they both dated aunt at the time uh what's her name bailey was 25 and aunt was like 49 or some shit and like in his 50s maybe i can't even remember but it was something massive but both ph Phoebe and Bailey were kind of similar. Like a lot of people said after dating Ant,

both of them became socially withdrawn, secretive and reserved. I mean, that's it really, the end. Yeah, I wish I could have found out more about Bailey Schneider. There were so many like conflicting stories, but we do know that she dated Ant. Like, come on. I didn't do like a where is he

now with aunt i did come across i know why didn't i i don't know it was like i don't want to know where this guy's at to be the shit but i do i did read that he's like married and whatnot does the wife know how do you marry someone and they're like oh yeah i had two girlfriends who died wouldn't you be like i'm okay i think i'm okay like that's kind of weird anywho that is the case of phoebe handstruck and bailey snyder a little bit there you know for phoebe's family moving on from like their loss remains pretty much a lifelong struggle with these stories you always hope for the best i guess like some closure some answers maybe they'll find like a diary that belonged to aunt or something it's just like i don't know what do you think you think aunt did it or he

just has really bad luck huh i don't know there's so many things that like point to aunt i don't know how he did it though that's the the thing. Because there's many people who say like he was at work all day when Phoebe had died, that he was at work all day. Like a lot of eyewitnesses and stuff. So if he was at work all day, how'd he do it? You know, maybe it wasn't him. Maybe it was like one of the construction workers

who was working at the building. I don't know. Well, thank you for hanging out with me today. Today was a little long, wasn't it? I hope you have a good day. Make good choices and I'll be talking to you later. Goodbye.