Mysterious Universe - 34.21 - MU Podcast - The Edge of Reality

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

What creatures reside at the edge of reality, and what happens when we cross into the space of nonreality where we can’t trust our perceptions? On this episode we explore reports of floating jellyfish drifting through the sky, squid-like beings gliding over forests, octopoid forms appearing out of nowhere, and entities hidden behind cloaks of invisibility. From dark forces stalking remote woodlands to encounters with creatures that slip between worlds, a strange intelligence seems to be moving just beyond the visible. Then for our Plus+ members we turn to the mysteries that emerge at the boundary of life itself. We examine accounts of terminal lucidity and the sudden clarity that arises at the brink of death. These profound experiences invite us to consider the structure of consciousness and whether such luminous parting moments reveal doorways to other realms or realities far more wondrous than our own. Surreal Encounters with Flying Jellyfish, Sky Squids, and Other Utterly Bizarre Beasts Strange Encounters with Flying Jellyfish, Walking Squids, and Octopod Monstrosities Outlandish Encounters With Invisibility Cloaked Entities Invisible Bigfoot? Dark Force Entity AP Magazine Monsters Among Us On the Banks of the River Styx: New Perspectives on Terminal Lucidity and other Near-Death Phenomena Swedish stroke patient hears doctors discuss removing his organs Coma and Near-Death Experience: The Beautiful, Disturbing, and Dangerous World of the Unconscious 29.08 - MU Plus+ Podcast - Dimensional Delirium Dark Retreats LinksPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is Exclusive to Plus+ Members. To join, click HERE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition for Citizens Bank. Welcome to Mysterious Universe, Season 34, Episode 21. Coming up on the show, we've got encounters with non-reality, terminal lucidity in animals, and the entity Sci Effect. I'm your host Benjamin Grundy, joining me is Aaron Wright. Wasn't it Rupert Sheldrack actually that recently, I think, was involved with

or publish an article about, was it end-of-life experience and animals or pets? Did you cover that one? I touched on it. We didn't go into it in any great depth, but that's not what you're going into with this. Well, kind of. There's a new essay in this book I picked up today. It's on the banks of the river sticks, new perspectives on terminal lucidity and other near-death phenomena. And of course, terminal lucidity is those stories we've covered in the past of people that are really on their deathbed.

often in cases where they've got some kind of neurodegenerative disease like Alzheimer's. Yeah, or dementia is a big one. In other circumstances, it's like if they've had a stroke and they literally have had like, like what's it called? See, now I'm having one. It's where there's like the cut off of oxygen leads to the actual death of the brain tissue itself. It's like they shouldn't be able to function normally and yet seemingly right at the very end,

they do. They come back and be their normal cells. Yeah, sometimes it's hours before. they pass away. They're like, I'm ready to go. Oh, they get up and they pack their bags. They get everyone to say final goodbyes. And I had never heard these ones with animals. And animals do the same thing. And there's a bunch of stories I've got coming up towards the end of the show in the plus extension where Fido, he's been sick for months. And he wakes up, suddenly gets up out of his dog bed. And he goes to every single member of the family. That's what Sheldraig looked into. Every member of

the family, he sticks his paw out and he looks him in the eye. And he goes to every member of member of the family and they all say goodbye and then he lies down and dies. Yep. Or I think in Sheldrack stuff, it's like they do that, they say goodbye, but then they kind of wander off somewhere. And it's like they're just saying their goodbyes and then, you know, literally wandering off so that they can, you know, pass on to their other realm. I like those stories.

There's something sweet about it. Yeah, some interesting. There's some funny ones as well. Okay, fantastic. So I'll be talking about that. There's some pretty grim topics like terminal lucidity in children is a new one that comes up, which there's new cases that have never been seen before in the recent. research. Well, it's not as grim as you expect because a lot of these stories, you come away.

It's a very positive view of death because the person that passes away has no fear in the end. That's good. They're talking about where they're going. Often in these cases, they're describing to their loved ones and carers what they're seeing on the other side. And with the children especially, you know, they're talking about crossing a rainbow bridge and going to a castle and there's other kids. there and they can't wait to play with them. It's really incredible. It actually doesn't leave you feeling down. It leaves you feeling positive. Because that's not really what you want. Because I suppose when you think about it, when we talk about cases like terminal lucidity and other end of life experiences, usually we're talking about people that are in hospice care, for example, and they've

lived very long lives and happy lives. And it's like, well, it's like, this is the last step of your journey. So it's like, it's not, I mean, even though it's still sad, it's not sad as when you hear stories of people that haven't lived their lives. You know, and haven't had that chance so I can see why even research would be reluctant to look into that. But this sounds like it could be quite intriguing. Yeah, it's interesting. So looking forward to going into that. What have you got coming up? Well, I want to go into what I call the encounters with the non-reality. And I came across this today in a very interesting concept. It's like there, there's a whole bunch of experiences out there that people have. And isn't this just the modern world, non-reality?

No, it's not. It's not like that. It's not really that it's some type of avant-garde, you know, new way of experiencing reality. It's just literally, it's like, if you see a UFO or you have an encounter with a ghost or you have an encounter with a cryptid, it's still all very much in your reality. And what I mean by that is like, well, you know if you see a light in the sky and you can't identify it as a normal aircraft and it behaves in unusual fashion, you're like, oh, that's a UFO. And people, when you go to someone and say, hey, I saw this, I had this experience, people go, oh, that's a UFO. It sits in reality. Like it does now. Maybe it wouldn't have in the past, but now it does. Or if you experience a spirit in your house, it's like, oh, well,

that was a ghost. And people go, oh, yeah, that's a ghost. But there are these cases of where, and you know me, I really like there's outlying cases, these strange one-off kind of cases where people see an entity that shows up and it never shows up again. But like the Flatwoods monster is one great example of that. But more so encounters with the non-reality are experiences that people have that certainly could be classified as being supernatural, being strange, being unusual, but they're so bizarre that it's like it doesn't fit into any reality that we could possibly create for ourselves. So it becomes an encounter with a non-reality. And where this kind of started off funnily enough was with the encounters with the sky jellyfish, right? So the sky jellyfish

has been something that's been around for a while. You've got people that have looked at this. You've got people like Trevor James Constable all those years ago. There was this belief that there entities that are usually translucent that hover around in the sky and they could be classified as UFOs, but they're not UFOs. They're very much organic and they have been described by people who encounter them or see them as being sky jellyfish. Yeah, biological life forms that exist in the upper reaches of the atmosphere somehow survive. Like what's their ecosystem? Well, thrive up there and what they're feeding on, no one has any idea. But there are people throughout history and of course I mentioned just one there, that believe that these things may be responsible for some UFO

sightings, not all of them, but not only that, in some cases, people report these things coming down to lower altitudes and interacting with people. And when they interact with people, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but sometimes it's just simply odd and unusual, and something that people can't explain. So let me give you an example, right? So these sorts of experiences are classified as a subspecies of UFO reports, but they really don't get that much attention. They certainly don't get any attention really in these modern reports. Some people maybe in the 90s suggested that falls of star jelly. So it's like when people come outside and they find a weird, unexplained kind of a blob.

Wobbling blob that's like strewn across their yard that it looks like frog spawn, but it's not because it's been analyzed and they can't determine what it is. Some people say it's like might be connected to some type of star jelly or sky, sorry, sky jellyfish that's come down and it's kind of disintegrated as it's come down. what really stands out about those cases and you can see why they make the link is because a lot of the time when people experience things like angel hair so it's that material that falls and it's like it just coats everything when people collect samples of it or even simply pick it up

it just vaporizes. It just simply vaporizes in their hand or if they put it into a sample container and try to rush it to a lab by the time they get to lab they tear the lid off and it's like oh there's nothing there it's gone. Didn't you have a couple of stories months ago of a mother got her child to put all the angel hair in a box and then they put it in the fridge. That's right. In the morning it's just gone.

Yeah, yeah. And there was that French case as well where it fell like all over the trees and all over the house and they went running outside and they were just in shock and awe to see this material being spewed from a UFO. So it's a little bit different because they saw the craft actually spewing some material out of it. But after it fell on the house, it was like 15, 20 minutes. It's just all evaporated. It was just gone. So this is what fits in with these sky jellyfish cases. So these sightings have gone back. They're much older kind of reports. We go back into the 1950s. For example, a really classic case is of a police officer in England. He reckons that he had an encounter with one of these low flying sky jellyfish.

And some people have suggested the reason why we had this kind of uptick of encounters with these things and coming down to lower altitudes and people experiencing them more commonly was because of the invention of radar. So I'm not entirely sure about that. I'm not entirely sure how radar would have affected that. Maybe it has to do with something of signals perhaps bouncing off the ionosphere or something that might be interfering with them. I don't know the electromechanics of it. But there is a strange correlation with the development of radar from the Second World War onwards and these things interacting with people.

But this particular police officer claims that he was just simply riding his bicycle, he was on patrol. And he said this thing just drifted down right in front of him. Where is this? This is in England. It just came down right in front of him. And it literally looked like some type of weird floating jellyfish. but diaphanous and kind of like soft.

But he actually rubbed up against it because he didn't have enough time to stop. He kind of rubbed up against it. And rather than it being like a... Was it wet? Wet? No. He said it was like brushing up against a soft blanket,

but it had the smell of mildew. Oh, gross. So it's still like that wet if you leave your washing in the washing machine for too long kind of smell. A moldy sky jelly. That's right. Yeah, there was also a case from 1958 from Florida.

What happened to it? It just basically... He just kept on writing. It just flew up back into the sky. And that was it. Like, nothing kind of happened to it. 1958, though, opposite side of the world. You've got Florida.

Once again, a policeman. You've got this police officer. So these are reports of people that are supposed to be, you know, regarded more so in our community and supposed to be trustworthy. Not all the time, but should be. This guy, his name was Fauston Gagos. He encountered a purple transparent blob. He said it was the size of a soccer ball outside his house.

Apparently, he approached this thing. And he said it seemed to be some sort of dying creature. He then picked it up. and he said as soon as he picked it up, it evaporated in his hands. How big was it? The size of a soccer ball. It's just like, lo, blah, kind of there. Why would you pick it up?

I don't know. Take it to the vet. Maybe. I mean, like, what would you? Give it mouth to mouth. Yeah, well, I mean, it's probably better than poking it with a stick, I suppose. I don't know what you're supposed to do with it. But of course, at 1958 as well, like, this stuff really wasn't known.

Like people, and even today, like me talking about this stuff, if you're at the UFO field, you're probably familiar with these sorts of reports. If you were to mention to someone just out of, just out. in the street, and people don't even know how many US states there are. If you mentioned out in the street what a sky jellyfish is, most people will be like, what the hell are you talking about? Are they jellyfish that float up from the water? There was also this case here from a man that posted in a blog called NorCal blogs. His name was Pi Guevara. That was his screen name. He claims that his uncle actually had taken part in a scientific survey of these creatures back in the

1950s and 1960s. Apparently this had been conducted in the San Francisco area, north of San Francisco. And it was basically triggered after a state of sightings, which had gotten the town or the people in this area, into quite a flap about these strange space jellies that were falling out of the sky. And so the uncle wrote to him and said, look, we've been monitoring these space jellies for quite some time. They seem to be part of a seasonal migration pattern

over the Western Pacific. So it's like they come through with the wind. He said they seem to go from high altitude, dropping down to low altitude. We've deployed long distance aircraft to try and track. these. He said it's a very strange kind of creature that we're tracking. They're disturbed by the approach of larger aircraft. And he says also there seems to be like a pattern of them growing from small to more mature forms. And the mature forms are the space jellyfish. It seems to be part of

what we see with this phenomenon where it's a focused time. It's a focused time and place. And then you never see them again. Because you would suspect if this was a real biological phenomenon, would have reports going back through history. Yeah, maybe. But you don't hear modern reports of sky jellyfish. No, you don't. You don't hear ancient reports of sky jellyfish. You do actually, strangely enough.

Okay, well, is there ones going back to the 16th century and not Europeans writing about them during the Renaissance? Not directly these types of creatures, which I'm describing the sky jellyfish, but you do get the jelly falls. So the jelly falls do go back into even medieval writings. Really? Yeah. So you do find.

these strange falls of gelatinous material, which are inconsistent with what people regularly know. Like, people know what Frogsbourne looks like. People know what certain oceanographic, you know, style, I shouldn't say oceanographic, oceanographic, oceanic materials look like. This is not consistent with that. And it goes back into medieval writings. Why isn't it just jellyfish? Because if weather systems can pick up fish and amphibians and dump them, why not jellyfish? That's true. That's a possibility. But jellyfish don't disintegrate when people pick them up. I mean, they do break down, but they don't simply, and they disintegrate as in like the moment they're hit by any type of physical touch, they just start to completely dematerialize. But guess what?

This particular uncle who was writing in, who apparently was part of it. And look, take it with a grain of salt because it's like, who knows wherever this is. He claims, though, that in 1973, in the fall of 1973, which happens to be a peak year in eulphological activity and cryptic activity, he apparently encountered some of the fall of 1973, which happens to be a peak year in eulphological activity, encrypted activity, he apparently encountered some of the, these strange jellyfish. He said he apparently ran into one. He hooked one. I don't know how he hooked one. But it didn't survive the experience. And within minutes, it dissolved into an odd, steamy smoke in his hands. What are these things? Like, it's just really strange. But this stuff kind of continues. So one thing I'll note, though, that Uncle, which I wasn't going to include, he claims that as part of their program, because it was so cold, he got a gorilla suit and filled it with fur on the inside so he

could stay warm while he was at higher altitudes. And as soon as I read that, I'm like, and I'm like, okay, come on. I'm not so sure about that. That's what the pros do. They buy gorilla suits from fancy dress shops, turn them inside out. God, I think that's a bit of a tall tale, that one. But going on, though, there are more reports which are more reliable. So apparently falling yet again into these categories of cases that are quite difficult to

classify, it's not just jellyfish. They're also described as sky squid. reason why these terms come up, it's not so much because of the way that they look. It's that they just seem to have a lot of tentacles hanging from below them. It's like they're a blob-shaped form or a blob mass with tentacles that come out, but the tentacles seem to be able to undulate and move and even direct them when they're flying through the sky. So this report actually comes from December the 24th of 1999 from Belarus. And on this day, two witnesses said that they saw an enormous cigar-shaped object that was blue and red in color. They said it was like the clouds.

at sunset and had this slightly angular quality to it. It was asymmetrical with this rear section being described as being rather blurry. It appeared bright in the evening sky and actually looked to be strangely fluorescent but also semi-transparent. And that is something that people have described when they see these sky jellies. They do say that they have like this iridescent kind of translucent look about them, almost like, you know, petroleum on water or something. It's got that strange colored iridescent look. He said, or in this particular report, both witnesses reported that whatever this thing was, it appeared to be swimming in the sky, rather than flying. It was completely silent the whole time. The sky was completely clear, and the witnesses described having

the feeling that they weren't looking at any form of aircraft that they knew, and in fact it wasn't an aircraft, but rather a living creature of some kind. Rather oddly, after observing this object for a short time, one of the witnesses would say that it suddenly seemed to disintegrate into dots before completely vanishing. Oh, so this one we should talk about. You've just put this image up, actually, which I'll just... It's just from a Reddit thread. It's describing people seeing these jellyfish in the upper atmosphere over the last 50 years.

I've got the report for this particular picture. Oh, you do? Yeah, I wasn't going to include it, but I will tell you. So let me just find this one for you. That was just the first thing that came up when I was searching. Oh, great. So also, what was strange about the report from Belarus, though, is that there was this twist that earlier, about 15 years earlier, back in 1985, there was an aeroslot pilot who had

been flying over that particular area. He'd actually made a report of encountering something very similar right there. So it's like, could these guys have read the report? Probably not. Like, it seems like it's a rather obscure thing to go looking for to make up. It just seems like it might just simply be that this is a habitat for them at this particular altitude. But then we head to the Netherlands. If we go to the Netherlands, there's a strange report that comes from Harry Penton. So he was outside his home taking pictures of the sky. Apparently it was just after a storm. So the clouds had this very beautiful kind of effect that was going on. And he thought, oh, this is a great photo opportunity. But he said as he was looking into the sky, he noticed

something very odd. And that's the image you put up on the screen here, Ben. But if you're not looking, I'll describe it for you. Apparently moving across the sky was this pulsing, flashing, flashing, flashing green light that appeared for a short time and then simply vanished. At first, he thought it must have been some weird-looking lightning strike, some remnant, from a retreating storm, but then he got home and checked these photos and saw that one of them actually seemed to pick up some type of strange object that looked like a jellyfish with an eerie green luminosity streak behind it. So it's, I don't know of which direction though it means it's straight. It kind of looks like the light is kind of being projected off the top of it.

The sky jellyfish thing is also a rocketry term. Is it? Yeah. So if there's a wiki entry on it and it actually looks like this on the screen. Yeah, it kind of has the look of things. the Norway kind of effect as well, not that that was a spiral. So, yeah, space jellyfish is a rocket launch related phenomenon caused by sunlight reflecting off the high altitude rocket plume gases emitted during morning or evening flight. That would make, I think that's, yeah. Kind of looks like that. But obviously that doesn't explain all these other reports that you're talking about.

Yeah, exactly. And that's, I think you're probably right. And that's something that really should stand out with these particular cases, right? Not every photograph explains every case and not, like, that might be. simply of just a misidentification. Well, if I'm to lean your way as well on this one, Ben, I think with that one, you're probably right. Because it does have that rocket kind of effect.

Even you can see, it's kind of difficult to see, but like the gaseous effect from the cone center there, kind of coming out to the sides. And the things that people report are very different to that. Okay. This has got, yeah, it's got a streak behind it, but people can see very clearly defined tentacles beneath these things. So let's skip forward another five years or so. We go to a weird report that comes from.

the 3rd of December in 2004. We've got two witnesses. They're driving from Point Pleasant in West Virginia along the Ohio River when they saw something that they say was hard or very difficult to categorize. As they drove along in that early evening, they noticed a movement over the road in front of them. Before out of the gloom came this gray smooth wing shaped. They described it as looking like a flying manta ray with gray translucent skin and a wingspan that was wider than the two-lane road. this outlandish beast sort of just glid towards them and then performed a figure 8 manoeuvre swooping over their car and disappearing.

Not long after this sighting, there would be a separate report from a woman and her daughter at the local river who said they had seen a manta ray-shaped creature glide over their car and towards a lonely rural property. I remember that report. Yeah, I think Lon Strickler reported that initially. Or there was another one, which I'll link to. But these sorts of translucent things.

No, I'm sorry, the one that came from Lon Strickler actually came from Perth. So there was a report, yeah, there was a report that came from Perth, Australia. The witness was referred to as BD, but this witness claimed in 2012, he was at the front of his house one evening having a cigarette, how very Australian, his attention was drawn to some light patterns and stars being disrupted by something passing over them. At first he thought it was a plane, but soon it became apparent that it was no aircraft. He says, as it got closer, the way that it moved resembles the way that a jellyfish would swim if it was horizontal. It was hard to describe, but looked like it was expanding in the front like a balloon, then using that air to propel itself along.

So it really does have like a sea-like movement to it, doesn't it? It's like an octopus kind of movement. He said this thing was roughly 100 metres above me and I watched it for 10 minutes. After that, it was out of sight. This was during a very clear night sky in Australia and I'm familiar with aircraft because I live relatively close to an airport. This certainly was not any type of machinery that I know of at the time. It's funny you just read that one because I was looking at this a moment ago. Oh, you really? Giant Manta Ray in the sky. I'm not sure where to post this, the poster said on Reddit.

It's in the cryptid subreddit. I was hanging out with my friend the other day. It was raining a lot, first rainfall of the year. We were sitting at a baseball diamond in a dugout to not get rained on and just had some coffee in a chat. But for some reason, I didn't want to leave when he wanted to. I felt this urge and calmness to stay. So they stayed there and enjoyed the feeling a little longer. But they said the sky.

and the clouds looked different. He said, I fixated on the sky, gazed at the clouds, and noticed a really big shadow. It looked like a plain object, but when I looked at it more, it resembled a giant manta ray. Clear as day with legit behind it, I just couldn't get over how much it resembled a giant manta ray. Boom. Yeah, so, I mean, people from different timeframes and different areas are reporting that they're encountering these things.

What was strange about the Perth report as well is that apparently there was a follow-up report from a different witness who claims that they and a friend actually witness and possibly the same creature in Perth at around the same time. They said, look, I would like to confirm this story of this flying jellyfish creature that was described by BD. Two of us actually saw this thing. We were in the Perth CBD, having a glass of wine with some jazz music playing behind us. I was so thrilled that another person had seen this.

Essentially, they looked up into the sky and they saw this jellyfish-like thing, but this thing didn't have long tentacles. It was about the size of a conventional balloon. So when they say balloon, I think they mean hot air balloon. it was kind of changing according to the different colored lights attached to the balcony. So I don't know if it was responding to the lights that were on the ground there. A very strange way to describe it. But yeah, this is around 9 or 10pm Friday or Saturday night.

They can't recall exactly. But they definitely saw something that was quite similar. There's a bunch of other people in this Reddit threads claiming they've seen Manta rays in California. One guy said in the fifth grade in 2005, he saw it flapping through this guy because it's actually flapping its wings. Really? So it's not like it's a misidentification of a plane, which is what I thought the earlier one was. And another person said back in 2003, I always saw one in the sky flapping its wings in the afternoon. They said I saw it so often it became a routine and then just suddenly it stopped.

Isn't that weird? If we can take these accounts and these comments seriously, but it's a little bit weird. People are saying that they've seen it as well. Well, I mean, it's weird in itself. But the reason why I'm saying isn't it weird is because these cases seem to kind of, occur in waves as well. It's like people see them briefly and then they never see them again. It's like, why is that? Like, do they just drop to a certain altitude where they're visible at certain times of year? Is that what's going on? Like, if they were some type of animal,

they would have migration patterns, which that silly article suggested, but I don't know what to make it. Well, I always wonder if it's people, if these accounts are true, if it's people that are seeing into other dimensions momentarily versus, you know, a real physical thing flying around that's going to be picked up on radar or the traffic control can see, it makes more sense that they're seeing something that's kind of in another dimension. Yeah, I think that's very plausible. I think that seems to be more likely because I think it was Louis Proud, right? Like years ago, Louis Proud described, I can't remember if it was a hypnotic...

Well, just think about Robert Monroe. I mean, describing these weird jellyfish creatures in out-of-body states. I mean, we hear this all the time. Weird floating things, you know, it's almost like it's the... creatures from the sea when you're in the out-of-body state. Yes. We'll see all sorts of things. Yeah.

So, you know what you're describing makes more sense that it's from another dimension. It's not in our physical dimension. Yeah. Well, Louis Proud said that he saw jellyfish like entities floating around his bedroom, if you recall. So they're much smaller than the ones that we're describing here in these sky jellyfish encounters. But what's strange about it is like many other things that come up in the paranormal is that, well, they seem to be non-physical in some circumstances. And you're right, like this idea that they're possibly interdimensional or something. Yeah, but then you have physicality.

Some policemen sees it plopping around on the road. I mean, is it the fact that, because I'm thinking it might have been Monroe, it might have been someone else, but these entities were feeding. They would feed on the luch, right? This tiny little jellyfish creature would come and like attach to the person's astral body and start sucking their vital energy. Are these giant ones floating around in the sky? Are they just like ticks that have had too much of a feed?

Like they've sucked the loosh from so many people that they're now these huge behemoths floating around in the atmosphere. You've got no idea how close to the mark you are. Like the next story I've got coming up answers exactly that. Yeah, because I'm like, okay, if they are animals, they obviously are part of the food cycle. You know, they obviously have to consume. So what are they consuming? What are they living on?

Is there some type of weird skyplankton? Is it energetic? Like, what are they living on? But they come down. Like, they seem to come down so often. And there are these encounters where people are, I wouldn't say, attacked by them. But you could interpret it is that they're attacked by them, even though they're very light. And, you know, sometimes, though, it's like, what are they doing?

But they're not necessarily attacking people that are living. But perhaps they're feeding on the dead. Oh, my God. And that comes from a report from the battlefields of World War II. from a particular battle on the island of Okinawa in Japan. Actually, I think Okinawa is a collection of islands, but it doesn't matter. Down in Okinawa.

This was in June. It was from April to June of 1945. It was an 82-day-long battle. It was essentially connected to the invasion of Japan. It was a horrendous fight. Like, it was absolutely horrendous. So much blood was shed. It was really horrible.

But this story comes out of it, right? There's stories of. Japanese troops that were apparently surveying the smoking battlefield, but they said that they saw something wandering amongst the troops. They claimed that they witnessed what appeared to be very large octopi picking through the corpses. These creatures were said to be around four feet in height and would rather slither about like you'd expect a normal octopus to do. They would use their tentacles to walk with their heads held above the ground. When one of the beasts was startled or on alert, it would apparently stretch up its tentacles to hold its head much higher like a camera mounted upon a

tripod. Making it all more sinister is that the soldiers who saw these creatures claim that what they seemed to be doing was coming to feed upon the corpses of the fallen. It's hard to know what to make of these reports. Is it just one of the wonders of war? Or is there some type of legend that's got out of control? Of course the Japanese army has tentacle horror stories. Oh, of course I do. Yeah. But, you know, you hear a story like that and you go, oh, that's kind of strange. And it sounds like it's absolutely absurd. But then you've got the reports, if you recall, that I covered of the Russian guy that said that he saw cat-like creatures that were leaping from body to body on a battlefield during the Second World War as well, seemingly consuming people. So or feeding on something.

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It matters where you stay. Hilton. for this day. But then you have other things that are a little bit, again, this encounter with non-reality, because it's like, if you see a Sasquatch, you know what a Sasquatch is really. Like, everyone really knows what a big foot is, even though they go, oh, it's not supposed to exist. If you see a one, that's fine. If you see a hairy octopus running across the road. Hairy octopus. That's about the size of a Sasquatch. Then you're like, that's non-reality. Like, that's just absolutely non-reality.

Octosquatch. It literally is octosquatch, right? In the summer of 1961. The 29-year-old truck driver named Archimedes Sanchez was driving along this mountain road in the Basque Mountains of Spain. It was around 11 p.m. He was with an unnamed companion, and they're on their way to a town that was in the local area. As they rounded a bend, their headlights hit a very bizarre and rather monstrous being standing upon the embankment nearby. It prompted the pair to stop the vehicle. When they came up to the muck, they got past the muck ahead of them. They claimed they saw a hairy octopus, which stood around four feet tall, had glowing eyes and, tentacle-like arms. The witnesses and the thing apparently sat there completely frozen

Andy Mobile for several minutes as both parties just were startled and as scared of each other as they were of obviously each other. Before Sanchez snapped out of it and slammed on the accelerator, it caused the weird apparition to scurry backwards away from the threat and disappear into the wilderness. Apparently Sanchez was intent on running it over. Fair enough. Based. That's the way you deal with hairy Sasquatch, weird octopus creatures. Is there a Sasquatch that's been cursed by the black pearl and is transformed into an octopus creature. Maybe that's what's... He's still a Sasquatch, but he's got this curse that he needs to break.

It just makes me think that... Well, when I hear stories like this, I think of more like it being shapeshifters, and they just haven't, like, it hasn't manifested in our reality the proper way. Like, it probably did intend... Maybe it was a Sasquatch that did intend to come through as a Sasquatch, but it was thinking of food or thought of octopus. That's how it came through. Let's go with that one.

that works well. Apparently these two men were finally willing to stop their vehicle to investigate. Apparently they found nothing at all. They drove off just to get the hell out of that situation. But then even more recently, there's this rather outlandish report that comes from Carmel, which is a town in Highland County, Ohio. This is from December of 2014. Apparently the witness, a former Marine and his wife, that just moved to the area, and one day they were driving along this rural road. So once again, isolated, quiet, locations. They came around to bend and they encountered a seven foot tall creature. Apparently though, it had muscular but bendable tentacle-like legs, a tubular body without any arms, and a head that

seemed to be quite large. It ran in front of their car and into the woods on the other side of the road, narrowly avoiding being hit by their vehicle in the process. Now, the couple would later describe the thing as being some kind of walking squid. What the hell? Now, some people apparently have... There's Korean guys listening to this podcast, and they're just salivating. They're just like, oh, fresh. Well, some people have said that apparently because people push back, this is a kind of well-known report amongst the annals of paranormal history, but people have said, oh, no, it's made.

It was some type of white-tailed deer. And there's been plenty of pushback. You can tell the difference between a white-tailed deer and some tentacle-like weird tubular body thing that's like, oh, it says here. It looks like a dull, sickle. gray colored walking squid. Like, come on. And that area, by the way, that particular area, Carmel itself, is known to be a hotbed

of strange activities as well. There's been a whole collection of strange reports coming out of that particular area. So, and just not these strange, I mean, that's one very, very high strangeness-related case, I suppose, certainly unique. But there are other reports of things coming out of there, including strangely enough, cloaked like beings. So the whole predator affect beings, which we've touched on in the past, like what was it Bruce McAbee's wife described in missing 411, like that siren

rap kind of effect? Yes, the light being distorted. That's being reported in that particular area. So it's not the same thing, but it does suggest that there's some type of, I don't know, distortion, reality distortion going on there. Maybe it's some type of gateway for these things. I don't know, but I don't think that's a deer. Like people, even if you're new to an area, you know what a deer looks like, even a sickly emaciated deer.

It's a squid squash. Well, yeah, a squid squadsw. Simple. It's a new category of... Say that fast when you're drunk. A new category of cryptid. Oh, I've got an image for you coming, my friend. Oh, do I want to see it?

GPT 5.1. Oh, great. I take back everything I said about AI. It is the greatest thing ever. Has it even generated yet? Well, it's very slow. Admittedly, it's taking a while. From the topic we were on five minutes ago.

So, going on from that, actually, so what people have also described, though, is like these encounters with translucent kind of beings, that kind of thing. And that actually does fall into a separate category of cases. But again, it still fits with this non-reality, right? Because even the translucent beings, they just don't fit any particular type of normal category you'd expect with these creatures. Okay, show us. That's the perfect cross between Sasquatch and that octopus captain from the Pirates.

of the Caribbean movie. So you need to generate something like that for the show image because that's the show image. That's the show image. We could just, yeah, we could just crop that one. I just save myself like 30 minutes tonight. Perfect. It's just ready to go. That's, that's brilliant. So I've been digging through some of these cases actually because I wanted to go into this, so people encountering these sorts of these strange creatures as well that are on the limits of reality. Like these things are right on the edge that people can't even see them, but they know they're there as well, which makes it even more difficult for a person undergoing this experience. Because if you see, something that you can kind of fit into a certain category, you go, oh, well, it looked like a man,

or it looked like a big foot, or it looked like something. It's like, no, it looked like some weird and visible form that was traveling, like, who knows what the hell it is? So this report came from a witness that said in their youth, they were visiting their parents at Lake Orion and Michigan. And apparently they went out one night with their friends to explore the area and, you know, get to trouble as young teenagers do. But at some point, they felt as they were being watched. And apparently, the group of them felt like that there was something there, but they couldn't tell what was causing them to have this feeling. It was then that the witnesses noted something very bizarre. They said, I saw this figure that looked like it was made out

of water. It was a humanoid figure, but it was translucent, and it made the background behind them look wavy. It had this defined, strange outline, and under the street light, you could see the light reflecting off it. I thought that my mind was playing tricks on me, but I was already spooked out and thought, well, maybe I was just, you know, getting too freaked out by the entire situation, but other people saw this thing as well. Apparently it kept pace with them. So as they tried to get away from this thing, this thing was able to keep pace with them. And when they would stop, it would stop, something which we hear a lot in these sorts of reports. It was only when they finally rushed home and were able to run inside the house that they were

able to look out through the windows and say that this thing had disappeared. But apparently they told their parents and the parents were a little bit disturbed by what they were describing. I don't know if that suggests that they knew or had heard other reports. I don't know what to make of that. But these sorts of reports continue. So many of these styles of report, or this style of report, has been reported to Mufon, of course, the mutual UFO network. But there was this witness that claims that they encountered a cloaked unknown intelligent creature near their residence in Florida. The witness says that he pulled into the driveway of his house. And he said it resulted in a weird series of events that evolved as soon as he went inside. He said it was very dark outside and

there was no cars or streetlights nearby. I stopped my car and turned it off. Then I opened my door and stepped up and got out of the vehicle. As soon as I stood up, I saw that there was something standing near the house. It was difficult to describe. With the car door still open, I looked and kind of squinted and could see a cloaked creature walking around the corner of the house from the backyard. It was hard to see, but I could certainly see it. It looked like the shadow of a human, but it was around the size of a human, but it was totally black, and it moved like a person upright. It blocked out whatever was behind it, and I could see a distortion that it was causing. The distortion had waves around it like it was surrounded by energy. I could make out its head and shoulders, but only in a

vague form. The creature took several steps, and an instant I thought to myself, what is that? When he thought this, it seemed to respond to his thoughts. It stopped dead in its tracks and appeared to look directly at him. He was scared to death of this creature. had noticed that I was looking at it. After a few seconds of looking at each other, much like the earlier report, it simply turned around and walked back behind the house and I never saw it again. The entire encounter only lasted around 20 seconds, but it's something that I've remembered for the rest of my life. So it's like, you can go, look, it's dark, there's no streetlights, there's no car, did you just see a prowler? But I think prowlers don't have energy, or I shouldn't say I think,

prowlers don't have energy waves going around the outside of their body. And what this particular reported in that moment, like you know what you're seeing. I would know if it was a person, even in a balaclava and black clothing stepping around the corner of my house, even in the darkness, there's still enough light from the ambient sky to be able to see that. This was something else. And what he was reporting there is consistent with what other people report to move on with these strange types of encounters with these cloaked beings. But what are they? They're not as crazy as being like some weird squid-scotch, but they're still kind of up there. Sure.

So another witness actually was studying at an Art Institute college, and they said that this was in Los Angeles and California. It doesn't say what year this was, but I suspect it's the early 1990s from the way they're talking. Apparently, they were staying in this two-story townhouse in Arcadia. One day he went out to go and collect something for the kitchen, and he said, as he came back into his kitchen, he came across some very strange entity that was actually in his home. He said it was early evening. I'd been outside, you know, and then I'd come back in. I was

watching TV. I got up and had done nothing productive, really, and I wanted to go into the kitchen. As soon as I did, I opened my bedroom door and immediately, right before the door was a translucent humanoid. It was sitting on the floor with its legs crossed, facing the opposite direction to my bedroom door. When it noticed me, it started to get up from the floor and it turned its body to face me. It was clearly outlined, but he could only see the outline. He said it was close. He said it was cloaked just like a predator movie or something, I think it was quite smooth. Instantly a feeling of very negative malicious energy was shot from this thing, and then I quickly closed my door and locked it. He hid as long as he could. And then finally, when he went to

inspect the following morning, obviously this thing was gone. But this isn't an intruder. Well, I shouldn't say it could be an intruder. It's not a prowler. It's not a human being that's invading people's homes. And I doubt that this is even simply someone having a hallucination because this is very elaborate. And again, it's consistent with what other people were reporting. So is it a ghost? Is it an interdimensional being? Or is it just someone's wild imagination just really getting out of control? I don't exactly know, but I think there are enough of these reports that suggest to me that it's got to be more than just simply someone having a really overactive imagination. So we'll continue on some of those reports in a minute.

I'll come back to some of those because there are a collection of these strange. They're known as intruders, right? Like it follows this category, actually, of these cases. And so one person who describes, you know, these sorts of things, of course, Nick Redfern has reported on these sorts of creatures. Like, if you recall, he recalled a case that happened back in 2019 to a friend of his, her name was Angela. Angela apparently contacted Nick after something very terrifying had taken place in her bedroom between 3 a.m., somewhere between 3 a.m. and 4 o'clock in the morning. Apparently she was violently woken from her sleep by something that she really couldn't understand, but she described it as being a tightly

packed mass of insects swirling furiously around the room. Now, she was in a state of shock because it wasn't insects, but it was something. And she said she couldn't describe it, but she said this thing was moving around, her dog was going crazy. It plunged her into a state of unbridled chaos and extreme fear. Like it caused this impulse to overtake her, and she said she leant forth and touched this strange mass. As soon as she did, she felt something that was like an electric shock. Of course, she pulled back, moved to the furthest point of her room to try and get away from it, and as soon as she did, the swarm was gone. Now, she called Nick, and Nick was like, well, I've never heard of a report like that before. Apparently this Angela woman had said,

oh, well, my daughter had actually seen that there was some type of weird strange entity, strange entity that was living in the house before, but didn't want to tell me. So whether they're connected, who knows. But she said, look, I got in contact, Nick says, I got in contact with the daughter and asked her about it. And apparently, yeah, like there had been just a few hours before this incident with Angela. There'd been some weird activity taking place in the backyard like some creature was moving about. It was a strange, dark, triangular-shaped shadow. Apparently it started appearing on the walls of the house and in the living room.

So Nick contacted a friend of his who happened to be, I think she was a psychic or someone that was in this field. And she's like, oh, that's a dark force entity. These are earthbound entities that have come from lower levels of the astral plane and they're stuck here for whatever reason. He says usually insects are associated with these low level entities. So while it's not necessarily translucent, its form is completely, pardon me, is completely different to what these standard reports are, are people experiencing a ghost or people experiencing. It's like, again, this non-reality case of what people are experiencing. So what the insect swarm is attracted to these beings?

It wasn't insects. that was the form that was the being. Yeah, that was the form was taken. So, you know, talking about these kind of thing, you know, some people have alluded that, well, it might have something to do with invisibility. Like, maybe invisibility is what is happening with some of these beings, but they're dropping down from different dimensions. It's like when you have an electron drop from, you know, like one layer to the next, right? It releases a particle of light or it absorbs, you know, that kind of thing. Like, there's all this physics involved in it, right? But essentially, when they phase from these different dimensions. They drop from lower dimensions. And when I say lower, but that would suggest that they're

coming up, but it's like, it's a dimension or a layer that exists over the top of Earth. Sure. They drop down when they do to become physical. That's when they do things that seem to be physical, like with the jellyfish, like they leave some type of mass behind, which eventually disintegrates, or in the case of a Bigfoot, and there's plenty of Bigfoot reports, like just a standard Bigfoot, well, they consume things, but then disappear in a flash of life. I mean, it's like what we were discussing on the last plus show with the UFOs and their orchestras and their orchestras. occupants seemingly being able to traverse between our physical dimension and somewhere else. And it's no problem for them to do it. It's no problem for their technology to do it.

It's no problem for them to take us from here to there and vice versa. And so, yeah, what you're describing with, and what people see with these strange entities, I've often suspected that Sasquatch is in this category as well. I think so too. Their true nature is of another dimension. They're not from our realm. where they occasionally stepped foot here? Listen to this.

There was one report I was reading. I don't have any in front of me, but it was of something very similar where it seemed to be very mundane. So this woman lived in a rather, like a less safe area, you can say, and she was quite concerned about recent spates of these break-ins.

And so it was on her mind, right? And I wonder if that in itself, it's like, there's some suggestion that your thoughts create your reality, you know, and it's not so much the secret of like, if you think yourself rich, then you'll become rich. But it's more like the general,

kind of way that your thoughts, or the thoughts that you focus on, it does influence what happens in your reality around you and what it attracts, like what entities come to you. So this woman was living in a less safe area. There'd been a spade of break-ins. It'd have been quite horrible. And one night she wakes up to find a man standing at the end of a bed. And immediately her thoughts are like, oh my God, like someone's broken into my house. And it was like, I knew this was going to happen. I knew this is going to happen. And like, this is what's going on in a head. All very quickly, right? It's all very rapid because you're waking. up and you've only got moments, like not even seconds. Like it's just, it's a split second to understand

what's going on. And as she starts to scream, she realizes she can't scream. Like she can't get it out. She's not paralyzed. Like she can sit up, but she can't scream. This thing, it just looks like a black space in front of her, but in the form of a man, right? But then as she starts to kind of come, you know, more too, she says, this thing, it just grins at her. But rather than grinning at her. It's like it makes this big, toothy, Alison Wonderland grin, like almost like the face kind of stretches out. And she's like, holy, and as soon as she thinks that, this thing directly in front of it does this green, it just goes into black smoke, but the black smoke hovers for a second. And it's almost like the smoke looks for where to go, but doesn't know where to go.

And then it's like, oh, oh, and then it just goes and flies at the window, but through the window. So the window's not open. And it goes through. So that's obviously not an intruder. But when I thought, thought about that case afterwards, I was like, was it that? Because think about her thought patterns here, right? The moment she wakes up, she's not like, holy hell, what's in my house, it's, oh, there's an intruder, I was expecting this. I was waiting for this. And then the thing grins. So it's manifesting following her thoughts. That's what I wonder. Yeah. And I don't think it's being generated by her thoughts. Like, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that like, for whatever reason, because she's thought this is generated. I mean, it's a possibility. But I think it's more likely

what's happened is she's gotten herself into a mindset of someone's going to break into the house, I'm not safe. And this thing has kind of responded to that. That's what they warn about in certain meditative practices, that if you reach a certain state and you, you know, see yourself from another state of mind, you've got an altered state of consciousness, you look inward at yourself, and you might have the thought, wow, I'm really accomplished, aren't I great? And then you'll transform into some resplendent God. And then you have to have. that for you're like I am actually great like maybe I'm the greatest person ever and then you'll transform again but the point is that yeah the ego is that the ego is manifesting what you experience

in these alter states in these other dimensions yes and so it's always warned against to be careful you know be very careful of your thoughts because they'll on this other side they'll instantly transform things they'll instantly manifest absolutely and I think that's what occurred there and And what makes that case stand out and the reason why I actually included it is because what she saw, though, I have to insist, was very physical. Like it started off as being, it was very physical, it was very real. She could clearly define, even though it was dark, she could see it. And then, though, it did something which is non-physical. Like it turned into a smoke and then it passed through solid glass. So it's like, that's when it's changing dimensions. And that reminds me of a great case that we covered years and years ago. But I want to mention it because it actually highlights this perfectly, right?

there is some suggestion that people in the know, I'm not saying it's the government, maybe it's a special group, I don't know who, but they know that there are invisible interdimensional interlopers that wander amongst us, right? They do, and they interact with us. But apparently, according to some research, I shouldn't even say research, reports upon research. This was covered by, it was Craig Woolhita back at Cryptomondo all the way back in 2007. I remember that name, yeah. So he reported on a report that he got, and I will add here, this is very important.

I'll link to it directly at the show notes. It's still around, but it does say here, by posting this information, I in no way endorse that it is factual. So, okay, fine. So apparently this guy contacted Craig and said, look, I've been involved in some things, I should tell you, but look, it was fairly common knowledge in the Bay Area. So Bay Area again, so apparently that group of the guy with the gorilla suit, like snagging jellyfish.

Yes. Right. So totally legit. Maybe it's the same guy that wrote this. But he says during the early 60s, early 1970s, there was a Lawrence Livermore National Labs. They had several Bigfoot in captivity. Right. Several UC Berkeley staff participated in this study. The first Bigfoot, though, escaped. It caught them by surprise. Wait, this is the old classic Bigfoot escape story that we've told like 10 times in the show. I want to include it though because, get this, right? Apparently this thing escaped by simply walking at the front door. The reason why it walked out the front door is because a janitor left the door open and this thing became invisible. Right? It remained up. A janitor left the door open. So imagine being the janitor at the Sasquatch holding facility.

Well, you'd have to sign an NDA obviously. Do you need a top secret clearance to be sweeping up the hair and fur balls? Believe it or not. At the Sasquatch holding facility? Believe it or not, cleaners, get top secret security clearances. You would have to. You need cleaners. Because you need to follow the.

the, obviously the agreement, right? So apparently that he thought that this was an empty holding cell, but it wasn't empty because there was an invisible Sasquatch in it. Apparently, though, this thing hung around the facility for a couple of weeks, and they knew because it would get into all of the food. They would float around. Apparently it would stumble through, but they started conducting experiments, according to this report,

because they realized that the Bigfoot was able to shift into the fourth dimensional phase, and this is how it would become invisible. So it would be in the third dimension where we'd be able to see it, and then it would shift. When it would shift, they were able to see what was going on. It roamed around the lab for a couple of weeks, making its way into the break room where it ate food and made a mess during the night to be discovered the next day.

Apparently, secretaries would detect where the fourth dimensional Bigfoot was because they were more sensitive than men to picking up on its electromagnetic cloud that was associated with its presence. Apparently, it liked to sneak up on secretaries from behind and they would drop coffee pots. Okay, that's fine. The best part is, though,

I'll link to it so you can read the flick because it's a very long story and I'll let you link to it. The bay that got to the point though that it was invisible and they couldn't get it to phase back into 3D form. So they had to get rid of it. You know how they got rid of it? They got a bunch of pots and pads and bash them together to scare it out of the building. Yeah, they cut off the peanut butter supply and he committed suicide. That sounds about right. That sounds rather accurate for Bigfoot.

So yeah, maybe that's what's going on. So anyway, that obviously, again, you've got to be very careful with stories. I mean, it's a great story, but it's like, come on, I'm not entirely sure. But these sorts of things, though, they are consistent with more what appear to be legitimate reports of what people encounter with these things. With no doubt, there are a bunch of people that had reported encounters with Invisible Bigfoot. Like, there was one that was described by, let me bring it up here, it was by Linda Godfrey in her book, Monsters Among Us.

You've got the Roachdale Chicken Rustler. So this was reported in 1972. It comes from Rochdale, Indiana. This is apparently 35 miles west of Indianapolis. Apparently it's known for its cockroach races on the 4th of July. You know, the little details for the town. That's not really important. What it relates to, though, is the Rogers family. So the Rogers family had a little farm, and they claimed that they would encounter this eight-foot-tall, wide-shouldered creature over the span of a week and a half in mid-August of that year. Apparently, one of the witnesses in the family said it had an ape-like face and it was covered in thick black and rust-colored fur.

But this creature remained nocturnal. Apparently, though, its sighting would be preceded by bright lights hovering over nearby cornfields. So it's like, yeah, Linda Godfrey points out that bright lights don't necessarily mean UFOs, but it is weird, this weird connection between, again, around the time that it UFOs were being sighted with Bigfoot, you know, in Pennsylvania, you've got this going on here. You know, maybe there's something else going on here, but it is a bit strange, this anomalous light activity being connected to high strangeness.

But apparently the hairy creature's anomalous side was obvious. It behaved very strangely. It gave off a putrid smell. Apparently it made its way into the Rogers home. It groaned loudly, usually stood up and walked upright, but sometimes it also ran on all fours. Apparently, it would ferociously attack the 200 chickens that they had a dundian. of which would die at a time by being mauled and bloodied. The creature seemed to be more interested in mutilating chickens and eating them. It was doing it for fun. It didn't leave any visible tracks and made no noises, though, when it passed into the nearby brush.

But weirdest of all, this is why I mentioned this case, weirdest of all was that on some occasions it actually appeared to be transparent. Like they could see it, but more like they could see its outline and the distortion that it created. So it's the predator. Well, it says there was an article that was published in Strange magazine that quoted the Rogers family. And apparently the farmer, the father said, look, the funny thing is, is that it never left any type of track, even in the mud. Even when it ran through tall weeds, you couldn't hear anything. You could see it. They knew that they could see it. They could see what,

not directly the creature, but the effect that it was creating. But they said it was like, when you looked at it, it was like you could see directly through it. It was like a ghost or something. Now, the number of eyewitnesses that saw this effect was between 40 and 50 people. 40 and 50 people, 40 to 50 people in this town saw this thing. And of course, a surprising number of Bigfoot UFO sightings actually popped up in Indiana around that time. Indiana, sorry, Indiana around that time. So it's like, it's a bit weird. You know, it's not just a Bigfoot. It's a big foot that's connected with these kind of like other categories of cases, something of course, which Stan Gordon, you know, highlighted in his 1973 report. So, a bit of high strangeness there. But then what I want

to bring you to is like, well, could this stuff just all simply be some manifestation of the mind. I don't necessarily think it is, especially when that last report highlights that there was, you know, 40 to 50 people that saw this thing going. I don't think 40 to 50 people are having hallucinations, pardon me, or, you know, there's a possibility, but I think it's highly unlikely. But some of these cases that are edge of reality cases or encounters with non-reality tend to occur in places where people are comfortable and familiar. And usually it's the bedroom, right? And then also they're passing into that hypnotic state, which in itself is kind of the edge of reality before you pass into another state where we just even scientifically

don't entirely understand what's going on in that dreamlike state. But let me tell you a couple of these cases. So there was a woman who was lying in bed, she was hovering on the edge of sleep, and then all of a sudden this very strange sensation crept over her. And she said she got the feeling that the room was somehow, and the only way she can describe it, the only word she could put to it was slipping. She said the corner of the bedroom began to pull away from her, and she said it was as if someone had hooked the walls and was slowly dragging it backwards. The space stretched, the distances grew, but her body stayed pinned to the mattress. So she was experiencing a form of paralysis, which we normally see in sleep paralysis experiences or old hag experiences. But she said the bed felt

as though it was sliding away from the wall without actually moving. The carpet seemed to lengthen beneath her. The ceiling climbed higher and higher, retreating into an impossible height. Then the furniture joined in, the wardrobe, the dresser, even small objects, began to elongate, drawing upward like a softened plastic being pulled away towards the ceiling. It was as if though the solidity of the building or of the room had been turned off, and the entire space was being needed and reshaped like dough. Now, the instant that she tried to scream, the effect stopped. everything just snapped back into place in a heartbeat, wall, ceiling, object, everything was perfectly normal.

It was exactly the way they'd been. But it was almost like a rubber band kind of bouncing back. Right. effect. So what is that? Is that just simply a weird hypnagogic effect as she's falling asleep? It's very strange. In all the hypnagogic reports we've covered, nothing like that. But there's more of these sorts of reports, actually. I should highlight there was another one, which I pulled out today actually. Let me get it for you. Actually, this one's really good. So this one, apparently someone woke up in the middle of the night, this woman. She woke up to a strange sound. It was late at night,

so she had to go out and investigate. She said she stepped into the hall. way and froze. Now she froze because she came to the staircase and the staircase descended into darkness. Now what's concerning here is that her house was a single story home with no basement and no lower level. There had never been a full flight of steps leading downwards. So she's like, the stairs. They were old looking. They were faintly lit from below by a dull yellow glow coming from somewhere. She doesn't know where. She said from the space beneath came the sound of voices. They were low overlapping voices. There seemed to be people whispering or arguing or even pleading. with each other. So not knowing what to do, she reached for the handrail. But when she reached for

the handrail, her arm went straight through. It was like it wasn't even there. And she said the banister felt like icy vapor. Oh, God. That you could feel it. Better go down there. Well, the second that she touched it, though, it seemed to destabilize the structure because the entirety of it dissolved. It faded like smoke. Damn. And then the hallway was once again a flat featureless floor. I love these stories at the doorway that's never entered. Isn't it weird? It's so weird. And she said she felt like briefly, she'd actually been in a different version of her house. Like it was her house,

but it was like it was in another reality that was intersecting or overlapping. Was it a really old house that had been remodeled? I don't know. None of those details are included. That's what I thought as well. I was like, is that what's going on? But going back to the first report,

here's another one. So one evening, a gentleman had gotten up to get himself a glass of water. It just wandered downstairs as he did normally. He was walking into the kitchen. But when he walked into the kitchen, he had to stop because he said he saw something that was out of some type of psychedelic nightmare. He said the door itself just began to sag.

It was drooping as if the wood had become molten. The lines of the door were warped and flowing downwards. It was like the door had been turned into a lava lamp. It was bending around the opening. It was no longer rectangular, but was just simply melting like wax, like hot wax down. He said, then the whole storted frame started to twist into a swirling mass of grey. missed. It was moving with this slow motion and it looked like it was smoke trapped in a glass. But then just as quickly as this had taken place, he said everything snapped back into normal

reality. The frame was straight again. The kitchen looked completely normal. Yeah. He said he avoided walking through the doorway for several days afterwards. Yeah, you would. What is this? What are people experiencing? Here's this other one. This one's a little bit unusual and it makes me wonder though, are some of these cases, see, those other cases where people have just woken up. you know, and they're in their homes. But this particular case is that a woman's at a supermarket. She's just at a supermarket, a place she knows very well. Ordinary supermarket day, she reaches up to grab a box off the shelf. And as soon as she touches the box, she says everything just like, just like everything stops all the noise, like just think that you've got music playing,

you've got people running about, you've got kids screaming. Everything stops and the color, like the tone of the room, it all changes. And she said she didn't faint, she didn't stumble. She didn't know what she was doing. She just found herself standing there in the aisle, and she said everyone was gone. The background harmed the noise, the mechanical sounds of the store, fridges, air conditioning, beeps of the checkout. They were all missing. The lighting had shifted to this cold blue-gray tone, and the place felt hollow like some vast, empty space she was wondering about. It was almost like a stage or a set of some kind. She wandered in confusion trying to spot anyone or anything. And then just as abruptly, the world slammed back into normal. She said all of a sudden there were people directly in front of her that was almost like, oh, sorry. That's weird. So she must have been standing there, just comatose. Yeah, it's like she'd suddenly just moved out of reality for a second. It's like layers of dimensions.

Well, that's what I get with these cases. I think this like is kind of like the whole multiverse idea with like the bubble universes or bubble realities. And occasionally they overlap and occasionally people get caught up in them. In fact, there was a really great example of this. Where was it, I think? I've got stories like that coming up. You might remember Alan and Beverly Pierce wrote this book, Comer and near death experiences. I do, yeah. People that fell into comas and then they would live these parallel lives. They actually did a contribution to the book I've got coming up in the plus extension.

Alan, Alan wrote an essay. It's got a couple more stories. And yeah, one of them was a guy who fell into a coma and he lived in the United States for like 20 years. But it wasn't the United States. It was like another reality. It was the United States. but when he looked at it on the map in this other reality, the map was totally different. It looked like a completely different landmass, and there were all these little weird details that were slightly different. And he talks about, you know, building a life there.

You know, these stories go, like loving his relationships there, having a daughter. And then when he came out of the coma, he's like, no, put me back. He said his relationships in the coma lifetime were more valuable and deeper than the relationships he had in his real lifetime. Yeah, how depressing is that? That's really sad. Because if you live 20 years somewhere else,

and you build up all those relationships, and then it's just gone, and then it didn't happen. It's not a reality. They never come back from it and go, oh, that was a weird dream. Or wasn't that a weird hallucination? It is realer than real.

It's just as real as this life they're living now. So the question is, well, did they go to some kind of horizontal dimension? Is it like the multiverse? Yeah, that's what I've got to wonder. Is that when they're in a coma, is that they're allowing them for the signal, it's almost like if you think of consciousness

being non-local. It's like if you're in a coma, the consciousness receiver is turned off here and then maybe it's like it's picked up by another radio. It's picking up dual signals. Yeah, in another reality somewhere. In fact, there was one here. I don't have it directly in front of me. I'll have to come back to it. But there was one of a guy, basically, it was a man in a while. It was a rather mundane story, right? But this is what makes these edge of reality cases kind of really strange as well. It's because people just don't know what to make of them. It was as if there was a man and a woman that was sitting in their living room. I just remember off the top of my head, just having their evening chatter, whatever, and they had a drinks table or something. And he got up to go and pour himself a drink.

And the wife is watching. They had a had a fight. They had nothing. They're watching. And apparently, like, she looks up at him. And for a split second, he steps forward and he disappears. Like, he's gone. And she says, not only is he gone, but the room is different. Like, the wallpaper is different. There's a different television that's, like, more modern than she can imagine. It's funny, because it's like they've got an old television and they see a newer sort of one she's like what the hell is this at all and then next second it's like

everything shifts back in normal and as his foot comes down like his next step it's like he steps back in and it returns to a normal reality now he has no recollection at all of like he just thought he'd gotten up and wandered but she's like

I had seen another reality but not only that he was in another reality but he wasn't in it so really like he must have gone somewhere else and then she was like it's so hard to it but all they were left with there's no answers

It's like, what the hell did I just experience? What did I just see? There's a couple I got coming up with hospice workers. We're actually loved ones of someone who's on terminally ill and dying. And in that moment where they leave their body, get taken away, the layout of the hospital room changes. Really? It's like they get a glimpse of some kind of other dimensional corresponding hospital. Yeah.

That's on the other side. But that's what, this is a strange thing. right about this, it's like, if there are multiple realities, what these cases suggest is like everything is actually very similar. It's like most things are very simple. It's only just subtle different. It's a totally different reality, but it's like just a subtle difference. So it's like the furniture will be slightly different or it's just like one different decision has been made. Yeah. And it generates an entire new reality. There's the idea that every particle of matter has its corresponding existence in other dimensions. Right. Like spooky action and a distance kind of

stuff, but within realities. Yeah, it's really quite peculiar. Speaking actually of hospital rooms, right? So this is one case as well, which is a little bit more fitting to what I've been talking about if we go back to the sky jully kind of thing. So apparently one late night evening, there was a nurse who was working aboard, you know, a certain ward. And she said that she wanted past a patient's room and she saw someone standing next to the bed. Now, the figure was tall, rather slender, and it was more of a silhouette than a clearly defined person. But she just simply assumed that it was another staff member because she was just walking past fleetingly.

It wasn't like she was paying any attention. But she said, oh, actually, that's kind of odd. So she steps back and she walks into the room just to see if the staff member needed any help. But she's like, there was no one there. Like the patient was asleep alone in the bed. But then she realizes as she kind of adjust to the light, she stepped out of the light into this dark room. She says, oh, actually, there was someone.

on there. But it was this figure. It's standing there motionless. And she said she watched as this thing was bent over the sleeping man. And she watches even closer. And she said she can see as though it's examining him closely. So she immediately snaps on the light. And as soon as she snaps on the light, there's no figure there. Now the patient is jolted awake. And he's breathing hard. And he's like, oh, I'm so pleased you work me up. I was having a really unpleasant dream. She's like, well, what? He said, oh, there was something standing over the top of me feeding on me. And she's She was like, okay, like she was so disturbed by this experience that actually she, within a fortnight, requested to be transferred to somewhere else because of how freaked out she was.

Because basically, yeah, like this guy, even though he thought it was a dream, it didn't appear to be a dream. It's like something was actually feeding upon him, which is terrifying when you think about it. Because again, it's like these low level. That's what Rachel Stavis describes. Yes. She has a specific name for the dream feeding entities. Yeah. But they basically inject a nightmare into the sleeper.

To generate fear. To generate fear and then they feed off the fear and the anxiety. Yeah, it's really creepy. Actually, there was one other case, because all my cases are over the place here that links up with this, which is, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, your tags in order. I know. What's the point of the coloured tags? I know.

Well, that was the cases. Uh, oh, here, so here's a really great example. The green tags for squid squash stories. No, no, they're not actually. That was just the translucent ones. Um, so here's a great example as well. This is a little bit different, but it actually ties it. And actually, we might wrap it up here.

is this ties in really nicely to this kind of this idea, right? So there's a couple of cases that I was reading today, which are a little bit unusual, but we were recently talking about mirrors being gateways, right? And I said that there was like traditional old ideas, both from the west and the east of, or when someone passes away, you should cover the mirror with a sheet or something

so that the spirit doesn't get trapped in it or, you know, they can keep on, you know, traveling through or bad things come through, those sorts of superstitions. But there was this one story of a woman who basically tried to summon UFOs. Like she was summoning UFOs.

Bad idea, right? She got caught up. I don't think she was a left-handed homosexual or Scorpio, but she was summoning UFOs. And she didn't summon anything, right? So nothing happened. She goes home. And it was like a week later.

She's sitting in the bath. And as she's sitting in the bath, she's got the bathroom mirror obviously adjacent to the bath and she can see directly into the mirror. And she's just there. She's having this nice hot soak and she's just relaxing.

And she starts thinking about the summoning of the UFOs. And the summoning of the UFOs, she's like, why didn't that work? Look, that's really weird. And then for whatever reason, she just feels this compulsion to look up. And she kind of looks up from the bath and she looks into the mirror. And in the mirror is a grey that is literally like sticking its head through, looking out through the mirror, staring down at her, like with this kind of almost,

you can't see it because the grays are emotionless, but almost like this grin. But there's this happiness that, yes, you called. And she's like, holy no, she jumps up straight away. And as soon as she does, looks back at the mirror, it's gone. Now, look, the question is, because her mind was already on, I'm going to summon UFOs, it immediately goes to the connection to ET, right, to being, so is that what happened? Did she hallucinate? But she has no history of hallucinating. So why is it that that very moment, a week after she'd been summoning UFOs and being disappointed about it, that she gets a gray coming through a mirror in her bathroom while she's in a vulnerable, relaxed, state. Now you can go, well, maybe it falls back into this hypnagogic thing. You're not falling asleep, but you're highly relaxed. You're in this calm kind of state. You're in warm water. It creates all these happy chemicals. Is that what's going on? I don't know. But it reminded me of this case.

So one night a woman was doing chores. It was late. She'd been cleaning the house all day. And she comes to, she's got this large floor-length mirror, right? And she walks past it, and she just finished up doing the last of the laundry. And she's like, really happy. You know how you feel when you clean the house. So she'd clean the house. She was great. and she's holding this basket. As she holds the basket, she walks past the mirror. And she just happens to glance in the mirror. And she's like, she stops.

She stops. And she's absolutely freaked out by what she says. She says this figure, like she stopped. It's not her. It's like a version of her. But it's going about doing its own thing. What? Like it's her in another reality doing its own thing.

Now, she said that this thing starts like, she starts approaching the glass. She said, whatever it was was inside. the glass, it was making slow and deliberate steps towards me. So it's like this other version of her had also now seen something different. And it was like, what the hell is this mirror? Like, what's this mirror doing? They both start heading towards the mirror. And she said, she went to go and touch it, but her mouth was agape. And this other figure also, its mouth was agape. And it was forming words, but of course, she can't hear anything because it's a mirror. So she drops a laundry basket. This thing runs off. She runs off. And of course,

she waits a few minutes and she comes back down and looks into the mirror. She forces herself to look back into the mirror. It's now her ordinary reflection. Okay. It's very creepy pastor. It is creepy pastor, I know, but it's like, she insists that this actually took place. And I'm like, well, it's strange and it fits into this idea of overlapping dimensions, because is it like, because mirror is just simply, it's just a surface, right? It's just a reflection. It shouldn't do any, but there is a long history of superstition attached to mirrors. And it's like, we've been talking about these other dimensional risk. Is it possible? Like, is there a fleeting possibility that maybe in that moment, the same mechanism that allows people

like that woman that was seeing her husband to kind of step into another reality, can it be facilitated by something like a mirror? And these two versions of the same woman just happen to pass each other being facilitated by that mirror. They just happen to be fortunate enough, or perhaps in some circumstances, unfortunate enough, to get a glimpse of that other reality. You'd have to flash your parallel self just to gauge the reaction. Just get it out, spin it around. Why is he bigger than mine? What happened in that reality? So look, great stuff. I'll link to it and the book, of course, from Linda Godfrey in the show notes at

at Mysterious University.org. Good stuff. Yeah, he's fun stuff. Well, coming up after the break for our plus extension, on the banks of the river sticks, some near-death phenomena, some weird ones as well. And I'm especially looking forward to, yeah, going into the work of Alan Pierce. Because there's some more of these stories coming up of people living these parallel lives. I love that stuff.

These are the bad ones, too. These are the brutal ones. I don't know if I want to hear that. So it's interesting, there's this difference between falling into a coma and, say, from an illness. They're both pretty bad. But apparently if it's medically induced and you get trapped in one of these coma realities, it's like hell. Really? They're absolute hell.

Who would have thought there was a difference? One woman spent 80 years being tortured in another dimension. She swears she was tortured in another dimension for 80 years. Okay, you've got to tell me about this. Brutal stuff. Pretty entertaining. Mysteriousuniverse.org. Brutely entertaining.

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