Mysterious Universe - 34.23 - MU Podcast - End of an Era

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

This very special episode of Mysterious Universe marks the end of an extraordinary era. After nearly two decades, we are honoured to pass the reins to a talented new team who will carry the legacy forward. Join us as we introduce new hosts Brandon and Joe, and reflect on the remarkable journey of MU—celebrating the unforgettable moments, the strange and wondrous discoveries, the challenges we’ve faced, and everything in between. It has been an incredible adventure, and we would be delighted to have you with us as we close this chapter together. We’re also excited to share that the guys will return next week with a brand-new episode, and we will be joining you again with our new podcast, Inescapable, launching in mid-February 2026. Thank you, truly, for your unwavering support, your kindness, and your belief in us over the years. None of this would have been possible without you, and we are deeply grateful to have shared this journey with such an extraordinary audience. First MU Website Wayback Snapshot Podcast Hibernation Mysterious Universe Coming Soon Mysterious Universe 2.0 Mysterious Universe 3.0 Container Studios Symptoms of Psychic Attack, How to Clear a Negative Energy Attack Green Juice Recipe Past Life Regressions MU Meson Experiment Our award winning roaming reporter giving us the scoop on the solar eclipse Indian couple banned from climbing after faking ascent of Everest Connie Nakamura "The Little Mermaid, Part of your World" by 仲村コニー Connie Nakamura Adam! Australia Haunted LinksPlus+ Extension The extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join, click HERE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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GoogleFi Wireless is not subject to data traffic deprioritization during times of high network usage. Welcome to the Mysterious Universe, season 34, episode 23. Coming up on the show, we're going to share 19 years of memories. I'm your host, Benjamin Grundy. Joining me is Aaron Wright. What an exciting show, because honestly, I thought being the last show that this is going to be, it's a bit of sweet moment, right?

I mean, it's wonderful that, you know, we've achieved so much and we've got. But, like, Mysterious Universe, as the version it is, it's ending. And you and I are going to go off, and of course, we're going to do the new show Inescapable. We've got two new great guys coming in who all. appear on the show a little bit later on, but it's still like, it's a little sad, but I forgot some of the crazy stuff that we've covered over these, stuff that I've completely blanked. I know.

Just going back through some of the golden years, it's just been really fun. It made me realize how much fun we used to have when we were younger, you know, just doing silly things all the time. Cheers, brother. Oh, cheers. Yep. 19 years. Yeah.

Well done. Thank you. Mm. Mm. Get the champagne out. I've been waiting for this moment. since the day that we announced this was our last year, I've been waiting

for this moment. Thank you for doing the decorations, by the way. Oh, you're welcome. I'm a little bit like a manic clown when I came in this morning, but I thought that, yeah. It's like a Al-Qaeda clown came in and his suicide vest was full of ribbons and balloons, and he just

exploded. And by the way, like you're going to Japan tomorrow and I have to clean this shit up. Well, you know, like I've got to get, if I haven't mentioned it before, 600 kilos were the books that I've been shoveling out there. So you can clear a few, you know, a few streamers. That's true.

Yeah, I know. We made it, man. We made it. I know. It's just crazy. I really don't, I don't know how I feel. I'm just happy. I'm happy because, you know, the one thing I was thinking about this morning, like,

what's the most important thing that's happened with Mysterious Universe? And it really has been, like, what other job would I have been given the opportunity, not only one, but to spend, like, time to sitting down with my best friend talking about stuff I enjoy talking about. And then just also having the freedom to be able to do that to not have to worry about a corporate job and all that kind of stuff. And for so long, two decades. For so long.

Where we've just got to hang out and talk about these things that we love. And just have fun. And it's not like we've just scraped by as well. We've done really well. This show has given us so much. We've put a lot in. We've sacrificed a lot for this show. Late nights, no holidays.

you're being scrutinized constantly, people making up rumors about you. No social life. No social life. Just working on this show. But in saying that, though, as I've gotten older, it's become less social anyway. I'm just like, oh, I'm sorry, honey, I can't come to that mother's meeting because I've got to go work. It's been good to us. It is been good to us.

I check the download stats and it's over 50 million. 50 million. Yeah. I don't know the exact number. because a lot of the early years, those numbers are gone. Gone. Yeah. But it's at least over 50 million.

But we've had things like, you know, moving studios twice and one day because we went to one studio and there was construction going on, studios flooding, you know, just crazy things happening over the years, mold coming into a place. It's like, let's get into as much of it as we can. Yeah, we should. And I want to, we're going to introduce Joe and Brandon, our new hosts. They're starting next week. They're nice guys.

Again, Mysterious Universe isn't ending. It's literally continuing next week. They're starting on Tuesday for Plus members, and we're going to have them on a little bit later for a call just to introduce them. And we should say they're doing audio only for at least six months just to get, you know. Just get him underway. Get the production workflow going, settle down into how things run, and then we'll look at introducing video for them maybe six months into next year.

So they will be on the video later. but it'll just be like their Zoom set up. So looking forward to introducing them. And again, they're starting next week. Aaron, you and I are starting our new show in February next year. After a little R&R. We're taking a much-deserved break. It's been 19 years.

Yeah. 19 years. So we want to take you through our memories. This is a show for us. It's for Aaron and I to reminisce about where we came from and the journey that's taken us to 19 years of doing this show. So when did you start? because I found you listening to you back in, was it's either, it's probably 2006, I think I started listening to you.

Yeah, 2006 I started for the S-O-H network in Sydney. On my iPod shuffle. Yeah, on your iPod shuffle. And I did a bunch of shows with them. I didn't even have my own website. No, I remember that because they had, I think there was like Chinese folk stories or something as well. It was good. Yeah, it was like a little community station.

And then I eventually split from them and built my own site. And I thank God for webarchive.org, the way back machine, because it's all there. So it's all there. Yeah. So this is the first website. Oh, wow. That's the original logo. Remember the triangle?

And when I was with that radio network, they used to complain about the gorilla. They really didn't like the gorilla. They're like, oh, no, you have to get rid of gorilla. But isn't that Bigfoot? Well, it's Bigfoot on the left, but it's a gorilla all right. Oh, it's a gorilla. Okay. My friend Neil designed this for me, and he did a great job.

Well, you've got to remember as well, like, this is hindsight of like when you started and when we started together, there was nothing. Like to, like, I mean, yeah, you had geo cities, but really to serving up podcasts, people didn't know what podcasts were. People were reluctant to use PayPal because there was fears about it being a scam. Like any type of digital money really didn't exist. Yeah. And there was certainly no infrastructure at all to serve up podcasts really outside of what Apple was doing. Well, I remember I went with a friend of mine to one of these first podcasting conferences. I remember that. You covered it.

Early 2007. I don't know when it, but 2007 sounds good right. And there was a service there called, I think it was Nancast or it might have been something different, but there was a service there that allowed me to charge for the show. And I thought I came back from that conference in L.A. Yeah, we were with Nancast for a while when you first started. Yeah, it might have been something different. But it was one of these early platforms.

And I thought, great, I can start charging money for the show. did that when I got back. Probably, I think maybe in one of the first shows in Australia to charge for a podcast, maybe one of the first in the world to charge for a podcast. And you can see there in the top right, it was five bucks a month for the premium membership. And that lasted about a, I think a year. I just totally burnt out. Yeah, you burn out. Completely because I, I underestimated the work it would be to manage subscriptions, to take care of people's support problems, to motivate myself because it was just me to get the shows out. And I'm not a great manager of my own time. Like we, I think both of us rely on each other to do that. That's exactly the thought I had

this morning I thought because it went, yeah, like I'm pretty good at management. I'm not great, but I'm pretty good. I like to think I'm a pretty good business manager as well. But it's like, over the years for shows, there's definitely been times where you've been like, I just can't do it. I'm like, just get going. Just do it. Drink coffee. get going and then it's a reverse where I'm just like, Ben, I can't do it. You're like, you're just going to do it. I remember the first time I was super mad at you. Really? The very first time. It's because we've been running for a while and we were pretty like set. We were putting shows out and I was like, dude, I need a break. And I think you took a

one or two week break. Maybe it was just a week and you went somewhere. I think you went on a cruise or something. And then once you got back, I went to Japan for a week. And I was in Japan. I was in Japan. for like two days trying to relax because I was so stressed back those days. And I walked into the Japanese hotel and my phone starts ringing and it's you. It's Aaron on the phone. I'm like, oh, there's something wrong. And I get on the phone, you're like, I can't do this. I can't do it, man. I can't record the show. I don't know what to do. I don't know what I'm doing. I was like, dude, I'm a holiday. What do you want me to do? Like record the effing show. I remember. Yeah, I remember. You were in Kyoto and you're like, I've just seen a geisha. I'm like,

You're calling me what that's? I'm like, but then when I think about it, it's like you hadn't, you didn't have the audio background I had. No. So it was like a massive learning curve. And to your credit, after we, I yelled at you on the phone, you just put your head down and did it. Because I had to.

And this is a thing, like over the years, people have contacted us. And I'm not comparing myself to others, but it's just like an observation. And people like, how come you guys have been so successful? How come you guys? It's like, because I just, we, we both. We just kept going. There's times where, yeah, I've missed family events. I've actually lost family members because of mysterious universe because I neglected them.

You know, there's other issues there, but really it all kind of came to a head because I was like, I can't. I can't come. And every time it was like, you need to come to this. I'm like, I can't. I'm working. I'm sorry. I don't have a normal kind of weekend or schedule that other people do.

Like, I've got to keep working. And so those sacrifices, you know, they come back in the show because you put so much effort into it. But it's like there are, you know, there are drawbacks. Yeah, we really have put in a lot. a lot of work over the years and yeah, made sacrifices. But like I said, the show's given us so much back. Oh, it has. And then so when I was solo, I eventually crashed out hard and I posted this on the original website. This is July of 2008. The Mysterious Universe podcast is currently in hibernation

until further notice, you know, sign up below for updates for the possible return. And I think I made it 94 episodes and I was so burnt out. I was so behind on tickets. I just said anyone who wants a refund, contact me, I'll take care of it, but I was done. And I just remember the stupidity surrounding that as well, because people were like, just saying really not, because it's the internet, we're saying really nasty things. And one of the dumbest things that came up was that you had taken off to join your band and travel the world. And I'm like, I don't even play an instrument. Yeah, I'm like, he's an electronic musician. He's actually stated that. Like, what the hell? I've never been in a band in my life. Yeah, yeah. It was just stupid.

But I feel like, and after doing the show as well for so long, there are cosmic forces that definitely are at work. Like, absolutely they are. Like, things happen for a reason. And it's, I've always kind of been rather, I guess, neurotic about it, that it's like, or selfish that it's about you, like these cosmic forces. But it's like, no, there is this symphony of the universe that's causing things to happen in your life that will affect other people's lives and vice versa. Well, I took a year off and I tried to start another business. I tried to start an online retail business selling baseball caps. Baseball, I don't know this. I've known you for decades. I didn't know baseball caps.

And because, you know, the American baseball caps, they were hard to find in Australia. They're licensed too, right? And yeah, they're all licensed. That was my little, I thought that would be a niche that I was, but I never got it off the ground because it was hard to find a distributor. I didn't have the funds to do it. But then you, you reached out to me. You called me out of the blue. Well, I emailed you because I went to the site and I don't know if it's on there anymore,

but I went to the site and the last thing the site ever was was like maybe mysterious or something on the lines of, I'll see you on Mysterious Universe. in this life or the next. Something like that. It was brutal. But there was a contact me. And I thought for the hell of it, I'll contact. And the reason why I contacted you was because I was in policing and I hated it. Like it was just, honestly, there's a lot of great people in policing. Don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of bad people in policing as well. And you were having a rough time with them when you called me. It was just, it was just horrendous. And stuff has since, I mean, I'm not even now allowed to talk about it, but stuff has come out since about, you know, like these institutional problems

that are like a big issue. But basically I was like, I'm not this kind of person. I don't want to be involved with any of this. I don't want to know about any of this. It's corrupt. I just don't want anything to do with it. But I couldn't get out, right? I was 22 years old.

I didn't have any money. I'd just move from Canberra, which is a cheap city to Sydney. It was an expensive city. I was like, my entire life had been turned upside down. So I couldn't leave. I'm like, what am I going to do? Like, how do I do? And I had 50 bucks sitting in my loto account.

right? And I was like, to get it out, I had to fill out of form. I'm like, I'm not filling out a form. So I just played it. And I won a little bit of money. I didn't win the jackpot, but I won a little bit of money. It's a pretty big windfall for someone in their early 20s. Oh, it was. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, okay, all right, well, what am I going to do with this? This is my way out. And so I, I thought, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to buy a mysterious universe. Yeah, you wanted the big cheese move of just coming to buy the whole thing. I was going to buy the whole thing. So I emailed you and you and I met for lunch and long. cart and it hadn't even crossed my mind because I thought that you really hadn't moved on,

but you said to me, why don't we just do the show together? Yeah, it just felt unfinished for me. And it was funny suggesting that to you, like light bulbs going off, like, do the show together. I'm so glad we did, not just for the point that, you know, we've made a great friendship. But it was also because I actually had no idea what I was getting myself into. Like, no, no idea whatsoever. And I really is kudos to you how hard that you've always been like with this perfection with the audio. Like you've really just like made it sound incredible. And you keep on like learning and kind of adjusting.

And like if I wouldn't have done that, I wouldn't have known. It's because my background was with electronic music. Yeah. But before I started doing Mysterious Universe and I was in retail for a couple of years, you know, in my early 20s, but I was signed to a music label in Sydney. And the guys that ran it, they were just like hardcore production values. to the point where I remember one day we sat in the studio and I watched the owner of the company who was also the main mix engineer, EQ a kick drum for like six hours.

I'm going to give it up after three. And that's also one of the reasons why I left them was because he was too much of a perfectionist. But it rubbed off on me just enough that I always had standards for audio, which in the early years of podcasting just did not exist. It was so rough. They still don't do. Do you remember blog talk radio? Oh, yeah. Gosh.

Like, just there was nothing. They tried to sign us, remember? They did. And we said piss off. We just started, we got on a call with, like, the CEO and just started laughing when he offered to sign us. And he was like, I like your bravado. I like your bravado. Yes.

Okay. No, thanks, buddy. Yeah. Like, it's worked out well. But, I mean, you've got some photos here because I went digging through my, I pulled up a couple of photos. I don't have a lot. Well, once you and I got together, we made an. announcement on the site, we put up this, Mysterious Universe version to the curtains opening,

and people actually loved that. And we built a website. We got this new logo. You built this, didn't you? So yeah, I designed this website, which I was proud of because I didn't know how to, you know, build stuff back then. And so, yeah, well, that was the first logo we had, that one there. That was the triangle. What do I have in the pictures here? Yeah, that's me. That's me after a year of doing it by myself. Well, that's the thing as well. There was no like real proper ticket support systems for this type of work and oh my God, I was a, I was a ham. Why was I so bloated? That's so funny. Oh, see, if that's the thing that I was, like, this was actually when I was like drinking a lot and not eating properly, not exercising, and I was freaking miserable. We were both so fat. Yeah.

So that's you and I back in, um. That's 2008, I think. That's in your living room. 2008 in my living room. Yeah. And then we put out these back cataloged. discs. Remember these, these DVDs? I do. I've got like a picture of like all of them piled up ready to go. Which was just like a data disc with everything on it. It was just a DVD. It was just burnt season one to it. Yeah, that's right. And then later on we did these USB sticks. Remember they sold like hotcakes as well. So we were just like, we were just milking the, when I was solo, all those shows I'd already done, which was nearly 100 shows. And that really got us some funds to start rolling out. And we, you know, we. eventually did the plus membership on that site I designed. Do you remember when we started,

we were so nervous. We were like, all right, we're going to charge $9 a month. We need a thousand subs. We need a thousand people to sign up by, you know, the end of the month. Or it's not we're done. Like, we need to find regular jobs. And I was so nervous when it went live. I was like, is this actually going to happen? I think even hitting a thousand, though, I think it took us a year. like it took a long time like we slowly moved up but it's like we were dirt poor and supported by our partners for so long this was like but didn't we have a target we had to reach to kind of break even and we hit it within three weeks yeah but that it wasn't a thousand wasn't yeah yeah but we did you're right but i think we were making such minute like we were making i was making less than i was in my other

job but it was like i was happy like i was actually starting to come back to normality so it was like it didn't matter and for whatever reason it always felt like mysterious universe was going to become something. Like it felt, I could feel the longevity there. Like, and it's funny, because people think I'm insane, but I really don't care. I feel like Mysterious Universe itself has moods. Like, it has formed its own, I don't know, like a... It's alive. It's like a torpic kind of entity. It's an aggregate goal. Yeah, it's an integral. And it really, and it wants to live. And when we thought about, you know, switching out to another show and we thought, well, maybe we won't bring a new host. So it, it got mad. It got mad. Let me just say it got mad. Lots of

stuff happened in both of our lives. It was like, I'm like, is this... In the plastic extension coming up, we'll do a tell-all. Oh, we'll do our tell-all. Yeah, that's right. We'll burn all the bridges. Not all the bridges, just like 90% of them. So, yeah, that's right. In that plastic extension, we will go into our tell-all

because there's a lot of stuff we've had questions over the years that I want to go into, but I'm not going to do that on now. Just to give you a sense of how far we've come, I want to play you just a snippet of one of my early episodes when it was just me. This is episode 81. So I'm 81 episodes in. So you've got to think I'm pretty proficient by this stage. But it is the most cringe slop you've ever heard.

I'm sure it's not. Let's take a listen. Remember that intro? I find this scientifically fascinating. All that is visible must grow beyond it. Extend into the realm of the industry. The intro is way too long. How long does it go for? It's like a minute 30 before I start talking.

Let me just get it. Dancing with fans and. What's that muddiness? You can hear the room and the chat. Don't just listen to how bad it is. Appeared to treat the humanoid robot like a peer rather than a toy. You sound so young. I sound young.

It's like that voice I put on when I'm doing like a Black Ops American character. You know, I got to get the show going. I've got to get down and record this one. That's how I spoke. Like I had a voice on the show. Yeah, also have a persona. You get a persona when you do mysterious unit, and it changes, right? It kind of, it moves and evolves.

So it makes perfect sense. Like, you're a human being. Of course, you're going to be different almost two decades later. But then, of course, you came along. So let me play season two, episode one, which was your debut. Oh, no. And you can already tell, like, we did a lot better. Let's take a listen.

Another minute of music? Way better. But I've still got that cringe voice at the start. Wait for it. It's about three minutes in. Okay. Five minutes in. Welcome to this movie universe.

Hello and thanks for joining us. You're listening to The Mysterious Universe podcast. Who is this? Episode one. I'm your... So low energy. Benjamin Grundy. And joining me for the first time ever is a new co-host, Aaron.

How are you today, Aaron? Good, Ben. How are you? What the hell is with my voice? Second time recording, because we're pretty nervous the first time. We're both pretty green. because the low tempo as well, no. Over a year.

I'm treating it like we're in some jazz lounge. Yeah. Sipping wines or something reading a novel. You've got way more energy than me. I'm just too cool for school. And I'm just cringing myself out. But do you remember this, though? You were in like some weird phone booth and I was sitting outside it.

You're like you in a sink. Yeah, this thing. The recording studio, the sound booth. Yeah, so you were outside. It's like a cupboard. You were outside the booth. And I'll look at you through the window. It's like I get the nice booth.

You can sit. But it was so sweaty. It was so hot because I remember we used to have to stop because your apartment didn't have air conditioning. It was like a 1920s apartment building. And we would have to run a portable air conditioner for like five minutes to 10 minutes. And then, oh, look at you. That's the seat you used to sit in.

That tiny. So, so see in the back corner, that's the portable air conditioner I had to buy for that room. And my wife and I would just sit in there when it was a heat wave, just in that. tiny room. And it would get hot. That was our original M-box interface. Oh, I remember that. It's funny going through my old photos because I'm more interested in the old gear I

had than people. I've got all these pictures of people I don't care about. And I just always bring up my old gear. And I'm like, ooh, I remember that. I remember those headphones. Oh, look at all your headphones. All those cans are probably gone now, aren't they? I remember those audio technicas were amazing.

Yeah, we had the Woo Audio, W-A-6 back then. Yep. So, yeah, you would sit there and... So then we moved to your house in 2009. Was it 2009? You lived in Wuronga. And we thought we've got to get out of this tiny place. And so we started to build a room in your house.

Yep. And remember that we got those ready bags. We ordered these bags from the United States to fit bats in insulation. Insulation bats, yeah. And we dressed up in, I don't have the photos of us dressing up in overalls to put them all together. Yeah, because all that stuff would come flying off them. But yeah, they were all like affixed the walls. And that was the old studio we record in there.

I don't have any other photos of that, I don't think. And I have this one, which is an interesting one. This is at your place, and this was after your aunt had passed away. It was like an hour after she had died, if less than that. And as we're there talking about it, this bird, just this kookaburra just came out, and it hung out for hours while we were talking about your aunt. It just stayed there and was like, wasn't scared. like it was listening to the conversation nodding along. It was really bizarre. Well, the really

profound thing about that is my aunt loved birds. Or I mean like love like she really just loved and they loved her. And because she had cancer, it got to the point towards the end there where she couldn't eat anything but hot chips. That's the only thing she could heat because all the drugs had caused all the ethelial like cells to kind of break down. And so I remember with that, like I was with her. I was holding a hand when she died. And when that was happening, that bird came down. Not only did that cooker baro come down and sit next to you and hang around for so long, it took a chip off your plate. That's right. It did. It was so ballsy too. It's just like, I don't know, for me, that was like a message and nod that things are okay. And that, from that point,

that kind of, because I was, as much as I really enjoyed doing Mysterious Universe, it really was always kind of like up until that point, a temporary kind of thing. It was like, oh, yeah, we'll just get going and we'll just do this a bit and we'll just see how we go because eventually it's just not going to work. And after that point, that was kind of like a sign from my aunt, the universe God, and I just went, we've got to do this. We're to go hard on this. And after I would, you know, come over to work at your house and you would just be there in a kimono, just drinking your hot tea in the morning. It was a yukarta, for starters. It's a men's Uganda. Aris is getting around in this lounge wear all the time. I think we both came to the

agreement pretty quickly. We need to get a separate space. We need to get another office. Because your work, your home and work should never be in the same location. Yeah. So we both learned. That led us to our third studio, which was in a shared office space, like a shared office building. And we had our own little room. It was tiny. Yeah, you look, McFucking out of there. I'm going to put it on the screen. There we go.

It was 13 square meter room. Do you know what, though? It was fun there. Yeah, look at this. We got like gym mats up over the windows to stop the noise coming in from outside. And Elliot, remember, he was sitting in that left-hand chair over there. So there's three of us in this space. Yeah, there we go.

That was your spot. I was in the middle. Yep, I was over the back. And then Elliot was in that corner. So that was the first time we hired someone too. Elliot joined the team, Elliot Birch. And we brought him in to do design work for us. And he covered the show a couple of times.

He did well. Yeah, he did really well. There was a bunch of shows where, again, you and I were taking holidays and Elliot would jump on. He was on some of our live streams as well. There's a really funny show that I did with him while you're away. I like that photo. Aaron's sitting in a box. We had fun.

We were just like kids. We were just kids in our 20s doing a podcast, getting paid for it. Yeah. You know, it was fun. And I actually have a video of the 2012 live stream. So it was around that time that we were in this tiny office. Did we do a video for the live stream? I forgot about that.

Remember 2012 was, of course, the big countdown to the end. Everything was going to change. And we did this big live show, this 2012 live show from that studio. It was still on YouTube. It was archive. It wasn't live, like publicly viewable, but I downloaded it today. Let's take a look. Let's take a listen.

Oh, wait, look how young we were. You look at you. You look like 16 in the back there. This is like looking at our high school or something. So, yeah, we eventually... The stress had turned me gray. ...and left the building. The workers followed him outside.

Your ass! What? Remember how 50 shades of gray. 50 Shades of Grey was the big thing this year. Well, Gilbert Gottfried, it was like a... He did a reading of 50 Shades of Grey. In fact, there's another one there, Ben. Have you got the other one lined up?

Lined up is a relative term for this show. I can see your schmutzklitz. This dumb clips. She eventually channels Foth, which is actually pronounced Tahiti, the old Egyptian pronunciation. Oh, we should play this clip. Oh, was that Spurs Kitty?

Yeah. is an activation to prepare us for the blue moon events. This is a channeler called Spurs Kitty. I think I've got a clip of it coming up later. Awakening us and knowledge and downloads and things. She's got a kid there. Yeah, you might notice. She's got a small child with her.

Keep listening. Thick and intense. I've actually got that clip later. I think by the end, Micah joined us. Yeah, he did. And his brother, right? Yeah. You know, some of these people, I mean, you know,

and Grater, we've been having a lot of fun with it tonight, but I'll tell you this, a lot of these people, they actually look how bad stream is. That's our Australian internet back now. Yeah, like, yeah. Because they're an expert. And at the end, we did a dance. We did a stupid dance.

We were vogging. Were we? We were vogging. Oh, that would be all. Let's do it. Yeah. The song would start. Here we go.

It's so cringe. I have to play. You know what? After doing this now, I just, I have no shame anymore. No. And we made them do it as well. And Mike is like, okay, I guess I'll, I guess I'll do whatever you are weirdos are doing. We're just dancing in the studio.

Oh, my God. And look, they're just like, should we join in? What are these guys doing? Good times. You know, this kind of stuff used to embarrass me, just not anymore. Who cares? And around this time, we went to our first Nexus conference as well. The first one was great.

That first Nexus conference, even though it was wild, it was actually a lot of fun. I remember the first Nexus conference, after the first day, you were in the hotel room going, I can't do this. These people are insane. I want out. I want nothing to do with this. That was the second one. Was it?

Yeah, the first one was really fun. And then the second one, I was just like, I can't. I can't do this. I just, I can't. And then I was like, yeah, okay, you can do this. That's when we were introduced to Ormus, the vibrational elixir of life. Isn't it strange how life comes full circle? Because this is just down the road.

Ormus is, yeah. Yeah, and like we, but like we would come up to the Nexus conference. It was such a like a long trip. It wasn't really. It was like an hour and a half plane trip. But it's like, we ended up living up here. Which is just bizarre. It's just weird, isn't it?

Yeah. It's just down the road. It's just down the road now. They'd hold these conferences. And I remember we went to one of them, which wasn't as good as the year before. and then we just shit candid on the show. It was the second one because it was like a couple of things happened. It was there was supposed to be certain guests and the guests just weren't there so they just played YouTube videos.

That's right. And then it was just some of the people we were dealing with were just like truly wild. Do you remember Jim Mars came on and he just started dropping the N word? Yeah. And we were like young in our 20s like, ooh, that's, ew! Why would he say? And all the boomers are like, yeah, fuck him. It was horrifying.

It's still horrifying. I was like, whoa. The boomers loved it. Yeah, I was like, come on. So, yeah, that was bad. And that's actually one of the only times, like, since we really got going that I was like, can we do this? I better spot that. The next thing I wanted to show, well, the next thing in my list was because it was around this time we did the table tipping.

I like that photo. Did you have to put the camera up on my face? That's the only photo I have of the table tipping. I've got photo. In fact, I've got a whole bunch of audio that I can play for. Yeah. So let me have a look. at my, my, uh, clips here because I, I wanted to talk about this. So, uh, let me have a look

because I've just moved it. Where are we? Where's my list of files? You've got, we've got one of these. If you go, oh, hang on where are? Yeah, okay. So if you go up, it's like Philip expense, so it's two, so go all the way up. Go up to two dash four. Yep, go all the way up even further. There's more. It's like two dash one, two dash two. Oh yeah, I see. Two dash one. Yeah, so played, so what happened was we went to Mou Mason, which was, uh, Jamie and Asper. Leonada, great people. And we went over to their little, I think we actually explain it what happens

because we went to recreate the Philip experiment. And it was like, I think one of the most profound things that I've ever done in this field that's made me go, yeah, it's real. It really was paranormal, wasn't it? Play number, I think there's a photo in there as well. Okay.

I'm not in this one. It'll be the next one. I play. So on Monday night, they had a recreation of the Philip experiment, and we'll give you a bit of background on this. In 1972, under the guidance of Alan Robert George Owen of the University of Toronto, eight members of the Toronto Society of Psychical Research undertook the task of producing macro-psychokinesis. They adopted a seance-type setting, but instead of involving a so-called medium, they decided to create their own ghost.

The agency's name was Philip, and together they gave him a tragic story that could have appeared in a typical book of ghost stories. Philip was a good Catholic man and loyalist who lived in Diddington Manor in Warkshire, England. One day while riding around his property, he happened upon a band of gypsies. Then he met a girl named Margo. The two fell in love almost instantly and participated in an illicit affair. He quietly moved her into the carriage house to carry out their liaison. But his wife, Dorothea, ferreted his mistress out and accused her of witchcraft.

His lover was burned at the stake, and soon thereafter he committed soon. suicide by throwing himself over the battlements of his home. All just a made up story. No, that happened. That was all made up. This is a fictional story. Apart from the Didington Manor. Yeah, exactly.

That was the only thing that was true. So I'm sure it was more detail than that, but that was the gist of the backstory. So once a week for over a year, the group, including psychologist, Dr. Joel Witten, as an observer, sat with their hands on a table, trying to wheel anything seemingly paranormal to happen. Now, for over a year, nothing happened. The table remained quiet. Eventually, they changed their approach. They adopted a new tactic.

They just sat around the table, talking in a relaxed atmosphere, and not really expecting anything to happen. Finally, they heard a knocking noise from underneath the table. And that is exactly, I included that because I wanted to give you the setup, because that particular night, that's exactly what happened. So you and I went there, we're pretty green, we don't know any of this stuff, we don't know any of this stuff, We don't know any of these people.

I think at that point, you and I were both fairly reserved. And it was like, okay, well, you know, what's happening here? And we watched a documentary, which was great. And then we tried to recreate it. And everyone was so stiff. Like, no one kind of knew each other. The other big factor, we had cameras. Like, we actually had cameras running.

We had a video camera. We were trying to capture what was going on. And you also had like, remember that big Zoom recorder? Yeah, I was capturing the audio. You were trying to capture the audio. Nothing was happening until two things happened. I turned the video off and we all started laughing and we're going to involve. If you play number two there, Ben, two, two, this is, you can hear, this is the, everything

change when the table starts moving around the room because we're all jovial about it. After about 10 minutes, and Jay was, you and me in the background, just take a break. Nothing's, nothing's happening. There was ever such a slight movement. Yeah, let's take a listen to what happened. More of the same place. Here we go. Excellent.

Everybody's thing. Thank you, Philip. More of that place. Because I think you all need it. Oh, good. So at this point, the table is just spinning around the room. Yeah. You can hear it in a second and it kind of comes back down and scrapes.

And no one's forcing it. Everyone just has their fingertips on it. And it is flying around. It's actually become bent. It wasn't bent before. Yeah, it bent the leg of the table. It's still going. You've bent the leg either.

I hope we're getting this on film because, you know, We weren't. That's why it was doing this, because we weren't filming it. We'd just stop the recording. I've been impressed already. I'm not done. Is there any more, there's nothing after that. No, you just hear it really kind of arc up.

But in the next clip, it's just me describing another person and Jamie as well, describing what it actually felt like. We've got a bit of audio of Jay and yourself describe. what it felt like when the table was moving and lifting. Let's take a listen. And you actually feel a pressure. This is what I felt at times. That's Jamie.

Something's under the table or something's in the wood. And when it starts to levitate, it's this force. You can actually then, when it gets really strong, you can push down on it. And you know what's really usual too is right at the beginning of it, it's like you hear the wood, the grain in the wood itself turning, buckling. Funnily enough, initially I could feel in my fingertips, I could feel the vibration in the wood or

like it wasn't even a vibration, more like a tingling. Is that you? Yeah. It stays with you afterwards as well. Yeah, it does. And I feel a little drink. And do you feel like a pressure? I felt like a pressure underneath. Like there's something underneath that's not what I felt before. There was some type of force. There was something that did,

especially when it started moving like that. I mean, even now, that feels totally different. Yeah. It was super strange. I remember, you know, you said we went in green, but I specifically said to you that night, remember I was like, I'll film it and I want to document this, but I'm not touching that table. Yeah, I remember that. I was very guarded because even back then I was very wary of, because I wasn't a skeptic. Like I understood. You were believed that I was a skeptic. Yeah, I understood this phenomenon is real. And, you know, knowing what I know now, especially after we've been doing

the show for so long, I'm glad I didn't get drained to that day. Yeah, I mean, I also had that dickhead arrogance as well. You've got to remember, I'd just come from hardcore, you know, forensic policing. And it was like, you know, four years of university and in hardcore science. Like, none of this stuff was real. Yeah. None of it was real. And there was also the arrogance of like, you're foolish to believe it. This particular moment just changed everything. And then it caused me to realize that, yeah, look, I probably had a lifetime of experiences that I haven't been dealing with. And this kind of moment was like, okay, it's real. And I think, is there a third track there, a fourth track? Oh, that was just, yeah,

You were talking to people afterwards because they were describing their experiences. I'm going to play it? Yeah, just play it. Yeah, we have a bit of audio from people we captured after the experiment was over, and the audio is quite loud because everyone was jovial and talking, but let's take a listen to what they had to say. Then there was a point where I felt that everything turns to jelly, but just a second, like my hands went through the table.

What? And both times I had like a little, not a rush, but just warmth in the chest. Yeah, interesting. It did seem to be moving in its own. And the first time with the lights off, it was, it was light. You could just feel it wanting to bounce up. And then with the lights on, it just felt heavy. And I was, I was touching as light as I could because I found it moved less I was touching.

That's interesting. So, there was no activity when the lights were on, but he said when the lights went off, it was ready to perform. But also, his hands going through the table. I'm like, yeah, like this was, and I really have to highlight that is that it's not like you're pushing a table around a room. something changes, something from a physics standpoint, actually changes, and it really does become indescribable. It's funny over the years how we had this balance between really being open-minded about the phenomenon, but also recognizing how silly and ludicrous a lot of it was. Yeah, and we still do. People often credit us with that approach. They like that we still

find things hilarious and point out when things are really silly. Like one good example to compare it with the table tipping, which was obviously some kind of real phenomenon, was people like Linda Dylan. Remember Linda Dylan? Oh, Linda Dylan. Didn't she have like, wasn't there like some Archangel Michael coming or something? She was going to hold a spiritual concert. She would channel angels and she would get on with this guy who was clearly, who was clearly in love with her and she'd get on with this guy and she'd channel different angels every week. And we used to make fun of her because she sounded, it sounded like you were calling a sex line.

Yeah, it did. Let me just, I've got a couple of clips of her. Let's take a quick listen. There's always awkwardness between him and her, though. Maybe there's something going on between the two of them. But this is where she transforms because she brings in Archangel Gabby. And this is always my favorite part. So last time we featured her, we made a little improvement to the audio.

Significant improvement. We've done so again. I said I had 80s music coming up on the show, so let's take a listen. That's right. Greetings. I am Gabriel. And you may call me G, you may call me Gabby. I forgot.

But let me explain again, my beloved friend, and the Trumpet. I am the Trumpet. I've been waiting for this moment for months, and it's finally here. So we used to have fun remixing her, and I remember just milking this chick for a long time. For episodes and episodes, like we'd always come back to her and do some different remix. So this was like her money shot, riding the dragon. It's actually better with this music. Remember this one?

Doom, do, do, do, do. Just listen to what she says. It's hilarious. This guy would be on with her every week. Yeah. Welcome. you, my brother, and welcome to all who attend with and to me to open my arms. Yes, and I invite you to climb with me upon my dragon.

Oh. For there is nothing more joyful, and there is no greater sense of freedom. And then we did this concert version of her. That's because there was a coming cosmic concert or something. Who is it? It's Linda Dillon. Our favorite channel of all time. She's on stage.

Oh my God. It's her own. Yeah, you're peaking. Oh. Greetings and thank you for having me. Yes, I am surprising your readers and listeners. Yeah. It was just the same.

It was the same gag. It's just done over and over and over again. It was always funny. Oh, my God. You know what's funny, though, about all this stuff is that I was going through all these old shows that we've done. And it's funny because there's always been like both of the sexes, but a lot of the time, there's been a lot of really crazy women. You know, like the woman that was shoving yoni eggs in herself and then selling them online or.

Sucking the cream out. Yeah, that. Yeah, that was Grace Diaz, I think. perhaps there was also the woman that did the knitting with like pulling it out of her out of a cooch and that stuff but all this stuff right when i go to the show notes to click on like the link it's all gone so i don't know if it was taken down or if it was just sheer embarrassed but when people go oh yeah i probably shouldn't have been doing knitting from my menstrual blood yeah you want to hope that it was they realized that it was just awful yeah it used to be taken down you know

what someone that we covered actually was uh doctor Amanda Noel. Oh, how could I forget? From Aphrodite University. Now, she is someone who is very much still around. She is very much still around. And she hooked up with this guy. So basically, she offered PhDs in Blissness. And, which God knows what that means. You have a clip of her? I've got two clips of her, actually. If you go into the videos, it's not in audio clips. It's in video clips. When we first caught up with her, though, she was talking about the fact that she had a yeast infection down there for a period of three years, like three years. And she realized that, look, I'm willing to give her the opportunity to explain, you know, like using spiritual healing. Well, she did. She somehow

used spiritual healing to clear up this horrible infection. But I'll let her explain what happens, because it was a very, yeah, it was a very, yeah, it was a very, one. Last year that I did an exorcism, and I want to share this with you, because if you have a discise that's coming from an entity, an energy of the dark. You can totally clear this. And there was an entity or an energy that wanted to overpower me. He said, ah, my child, now it's time. I've been following you. I've been following your father. I've been, and my father was actually a nice Templar, so it's pretty interesting. It's like I've been following you, and I've been following your bloodline for quite a long time, and I've been waiting for you to own your power. It was a high creedithes. And what did I

do? Well, I channeled, which was that I shot, I fireball. balled out of my pussy, a ball of light. This is like such an amazing shamanic tool. Take some notes if you're a shaman here. And I used my ancient tantric tools that I remember this lives and I beamed out this light towards him and he dodged it. You got a little bit of it on him and it actually turned him from a man to this sheepy snake looking demon. So I remember using the Dahlzim sample from street fighter like yoga flame in the show. do you did. Between six in the morning and I believe it was eight in the morning, I completely clear this infection.

Oh, nice. That's a good, that's a happy ending story. You find the topic entity responsible for whatever's going on in your pants and you fire out of your genitals and I'll get rid of. So, of course, we followed her because after we're looking at this university course that she was running, she also does these videos and these videos give you advice on what you can do. Of course, she did the V-steaming. If you actually give like a whole mixture of like what you can put into, and then she would actually do it on camera. Vagina steaming.

Vigina steaming. It's still around. It's still around. But the thing that really got our attention was she gave you advice on how to make a green smoothie. She did? Hey, girl. It's Dr. Amanda Noel again of Dr. Amanda Noel.com.

I'm the blissus coach teaching you high-heeled precesses, modern day high-prestices, how to turn your bliss into fixed-figure blissnesses, the healed world. Today I'm going to share with you the green money goddess juice recipe. So you'll literally be vibrating at six-figure bliss-gasm. The goddesses lack the money. The next thing is to jump up on your counter and then you put your blender between your legs. And then you ride your blender like a princess four-stop. Oh, my God.

And this isn't your edit. This is just what she put out. This is her edit. Oh, my God. So that's funny because I had a green smoothies clip. But it's a totally different thing. I remember the woman that had the green smoothies for green poop. Is that the woman?

Oh, let's play it. She really has given the term cheapskate a whole new meeting. We'll link to that in the show notes so you can check it out if you dare. I use greens in my green smoothie. Make your green smoothie every morning. You know, put an apple in it, an orange in it, and a piece of lemon. Make sure you put some lemon in because lemon cleans out the organs. And that will help raise your vibration.

You want to raise your vibration. We're in a time where you need to raise your vibration. Remember that was the thing, raise your vibrations? Yeah. Green smoothie every morning, Aaron. That's the answer. We've started getting emails with green smoothie recipes. Yeah, I can't remember.

I just, I can't remember what the video is, but I just remembered the clip. You don't have the clip of us calling in to one of Amanda Noelle's live cacao ceremonies. I went to go and find it because you were Benya. And I remember that I remember that I had. had to leave the rude because I was laughing so hard that I had to leave. And you were like stuck there on this phone call. I remember asking for advice like a lot because she had a session with like 12 other women and I was just in there as Benya. And then I raised my hand to ask a question. I told her I had like some infection on my balls and I needed her help. She answered like she gave

me an answer for what to do. It was like imagine a fireball coming out of coming out of there or something. Yeah, I saw him though. So her partner, this guy, he called himself Jack Cousteau. He had all these different names. But ultimately, he ran like something called conscious cock power. That's right. And it's the biggest cuckoldery that you could ever see. Conscious cuck power. Actually, I sent a photograph of you, of him, sorry, to you the other day. And I've totally forgot about it. Ah, let me see if you can find, because he looks, like, talk about fox spirits. Drained, yeah. Drained. She drained him. Like, she drained him with this madness. Back to our timeline, we moved out of that tiny studio, the 13 square meter studio.

To somewhere in Wilma, we were in Artarman, remember? Was it Artarman? Remember Artarman? I don't have any photos of Artarman. Here's Elliot who came with us for that move. He was still with us. But I do have a video from Artarman, which was our second end of year live stream. No recollection.

You don't have a recollection of this? I remember that tiny studio space. Let me fly it. So we are live. Oh, look at just these crappy studios we went through. We're going to check out. We're still healing, drum solos, you know, psychic readings, sand readings. I'm looking forward to a sand reading.

So I'm going to do everything that I can't stand. That was a weird space. That was a weird space, yes. Because there were people living directly above us. I apologize for seeming distracted, but our site is getting bombarded right now. What? Is it? Yeah.

It's really, it's down. So I just want to apologize for that. It's okay, though, it's because this is all through YouTube. So try not to go to the site, just go to YouTube. We already here, so it doesn't matter. Well, yeah. You know, rough weather up there and stuff. People would call in.

It was fun those life shows. It was light. After that. Did we do a dance at the end? God, I hope not. I hope we've grown up since then. Because if you think about it in a group, that person who's great at that stuff is probably

yelling even more. God. Okay, so are we raised now? Is that it? Well, I feel manipulated. What about you? I've still got those blue light classes. That's right. It was a 5D ascension countdown because back then people were saying that the dimensions were going to upgrade and we were going to go from 3D to 5D. I don't know what happened to 4D, but that was the theme because 2012 was like a big countdown thing. So they kind of, they tried to copy it for 2013. It didn't have the same vibe though. So we're in our Tarman for a while. You know, a lot of, A lot of interesting, good memories from there. You know, that was us back then. I just remember being fat in the 2010s. And I was thinner then. So you and I were doing this weird Oprah thing of going up and down and our way.

Well, the funny thing, the funny thing about back then is that, you know, I think I've got a photo of like, let me bring it up. Because when I look back at all these old photos, I just look at you and you've got your shit together. You're like handsome, thin. You know, you're hearing your nice backyard. you've got your barbecue going, you're cooking for everyone. What a handsome together young man. And around the same time, this is me.

So I don't know, was it just because I was staying up late, mixing the show until three in the morning? I was just burnt out. I think back then I went back in an exercise kick. Yeah, around then I was back on my, I was working out again and running and yeah. I thought that was funny.

And then eventually we moved to North Sydney, Terry's studio. Remember Terry's studio? Yeah, of course. I remember Norse. That was actually great. Terry and Brad, because they had their, what was like an audio mixing, like they did commercials for. Audio post-production company. Yeah, yeah. They were really nice guys. Like Terry was just, I didn't realize just how far back his career went. But really nice guys. And that studio was fun. Yeah. That's where we met Bobby Cosmos, remember? And I've got Bobby in these photos.

There's Wendy. So Wendy joined us around this time. And I think the, um, The amount of wine drinking and crying in the company went up like a thousand percent after she joined. I don't know if it's related. But yeah, she was great. Did you remember the end of year episode that she did? She got so drunk that she could barely walk out of all. Wendy was funny as hell. She was a total train wreck, but that's part of a charm.

That's what made it funny. Yeah, it was definitely part of a charm. That's right. She had to sit in this little booth that was on the opposite side of us. Yeah, we'd lock her away in there so we didn't have to listen to her. Cry. Yeah, she was great. Oh, yes.

And there was always like, see, there's a bottle of wine. There's a glass of wine. There's always a bottle of wine, a glass of wine. I must have been drinking back then because there's two glasses I see. Unless it was Bobby. There's Bobby Cosmos. He always had a glass of wine as well. So that was when we started doing casual Fridays.

Yeah. The problem with casual Fridays is we'd record on a Thursday night and I'd be knackered because I'd be editing until 3 in the morning and then we'd come in all pumped for casual Fridays. And I was like, oh, God, sustain this. Can we just go home. Yeah, that's typical casualty Friday's look. And then, yeah, back to Handsome Barbecue.

Good memories. That studio was really great because it sounded good, it was cozy. All the walls were like flocked and soundproofed. And there's around that time that we launched the Android app as well. That might have been earlier though. Remember the apps? That was a disaster. It wasn't a disaster.

It was just like expensive to build the apps and maintain them. The iOS app was great. And it was a really nice Irish. guy who ended up contacting us and doing it for us. And he was amazing. He was really, really good, like really switched on nice guy. And then we got this company to do the Android app. And like, you and I kept on getting builds. And it was literally like these guys had no idea what they were doing. But they seriously had no idea. And we paid a lot of money. And it got to the point where I was like, okay, I'm going to sue you if I don't have the money back in the account by five

o'clock this afternoon. And they went to the bank and literally put the money into it. So, yeah, because I was like, that's it. Like, this is done. And we eventually got in contact with a guy from Birmingham who did our Android app for us. Again, a fan. This is a thing as well, like over the years. Like, we have to thank you guys because there's been plenty of times where we've been in a fix.

And it's been you guys that have stepped in, contacted us and helped us. Put a call out for help on the show and someone would always come through. I should have said this straight up, right? But the reason why is while a mysterious universe has been so successful is it's because of you guys. Like, if it hadn't it been for you guys and the support. and the kindness. And it's been hard as well in some ways. Well, some of you think we're talking about you, but we're actually not. We're talking about the good people. So don't assume that we're talking

about you. There was, it's really sad. Like, we had one woman who sadly passed away. She used to call the show a couple of times and she contacted us just before she knew that she was going to pass away. And she was like, you know, thanks for the memories, guys. And I was like, oh, that, that hurt. Like, that was really hard. We've met a bunch of people who have said, you saved my life. I was going through cancer treatment and the only thing I listened to was your show. I was really, really touched by a woman by the name of Robin, and she came up to us at the Paradigm Symposium in 2012, and she had this little card and little gift for us, and she was like, because her daughter passed away, but she's like, while I was at my daughter's bedside

for hours and hours on end, I would just listen to you guys, and she's like, it got me through. And it's not like we were doing that for people to, but it was like, we offered a distraction. And it really touched home. And what was really sweet about her is that I maintain contact with her. And so when I lost, it was a very different circumstance, obviously, because my child wasn't born. But when we lost our daughter, she got in contact with me straight away. Oh, wow.

Yeah. And she was there for me. When I was like, it wasn't, I probably came across okay, but I wasn't good. That's amazing. And that happened. Yeah. And she was there for me. So, Robin, thank you so much.

Yeah. I've had a couple of fans send me pictures of their tits, too. So it's quite good. Like, overall, the interactions with the interactions with the. fans have been amazing. Speaking of Wendy, I've got this, remember she was terrified of spiders? Horrified. I didn't realize she actually had real arachnophobia. Oh, she did. Oh, the VR. And I put her in the VR headset when I had one of the early Oculus riffs. And one of the demos was like a dinosaur that comes out. And you've got to interact with this dinosaur. You've got to keep your

fingers on the keyboard while different things come out. And if you take your fingers off, you lose. and I didn't tell her that right at the end because I didn't know she was genuinely that scared of spiders No, we didn't know until after this event And so at the end a massive spider comes out And I just want to play her reaction And I've actually got the video She is in my old

Old apartment Oh, have I got all my ear? Get out of my fucking hair She was so funny, man Oh, oh Jesus, fuck So she's turning around looking at a dinosaur. Let me skip a head.

This workplace. I think the spider comes out here. A fucking spider. No, don't turn the fucking lights out. My hands are on the stick. Don't touch me. Don't, don't. I don't want a fucking spider, okay?

No. No. No. Ha! Ha! No! No! Oh!

Why doesn't she just take the head? I don't know. I just love it how you're just not helping. You're just filming, laughing. I thought she was just reacting strongly to the VR. But I didn't realize she has actual arachnophobia. It's like she was frozen in fear. That's why she couldn't.

Because in that, she went running out of the studio one day because in that little room towards the back and that control room, there was a spider in there. And it's just like, because it's soundproof, all I just see is this woman like a hair flailing. I'm like, what the hell's going on? It was around this time that we ended up going to Japan as well. So that was one of our big trips overseas.

Obviously, we went to the US a bunch of times, which was always great to meet up with the fans. But that was squeezed into the car on the way to see the snow monkeys. That's right. We had to share the same seat. I've actually got a photo as well. Yeah, there's a photo of where we rocked up, though. And, yeah. There's a man.

People don't believe that this happened. I kid you not. There was a monkey with its hand towards its genitals. and one of the guides is literally got his pants down. I don't know what he's doing. Why was he flashing the monkey? I don't know. And then we got the mini cubs.

That's right. Yeah, I've got another photo of that too. We went to the Science Museum and I've got a video of it. And we're just two giant Westerners riding around on these tiny little machines while these Japanese school children are just like, what are these guys doing? Let's take a look. Here we go. That's right.

Look how dorky. Like slam into the glass. Like, oh, Gaijin. That was a good trip. Yeah, it was a good trip. I want one of those. That's like, that's like 10 years ago, 11 years ago now. Yeah, all of this stuff is so, so ancient.

So, yeah, Japan was fun on the minicubbs. And it was just a good trip. Sexy zone, remember sexy zone? Sexy Power 3. Yep. And remember these giant trucks would drive past in Tokyo with huge advertisements for sexy zone.

Like everywhere in the book. It was like sexy zone was, I don't even know what the hell sexy zone is, but it was everywhere. They were big. I wonder if sexy zone, maybe they're up to like sexy power 12 now. So actually that reminds me,

speaking of Japanese. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's right. That was a one of the sex, sex dolls, we hired. Yeah,

no, it wasn't. It was the future museum that we had, we wrote those carbs, but that thing was freaky. Oh, Dan. Dan.

Dan, Man, that's when I came back from, that's when I came back from Vermont. Danny! Yes. So, yeah, this was our new studio. We moved to St. Leonard's again. So this is like our...

What is that? Is that your image? That's Dan sitting there. What's that guy got on his genitals? I don't know. I don't know. Dan was sitting at his desk. Someone stepped a photo of whatever he was looking at.

So obviously we tasked him with doing something for work. That's where we built the studio. That was the best studio, I think. That was the best studio. that was in St. Lannes. Because we were underground. We had no windows. So it was like, it was a little bit depressing in that sense.

But there was just never any noise. It was so good. The aircon was good. And while we were waiting for it to be built, Dan and I went to contact in the desert. There's Jeremy Corbell. That's right. We caught up with.

And I think you were on holiday. You must have been in. I got married or something. I think. Yeah. And traveling with Dan is just on another level. Because he's either sleeping, farting, eating, or just shit talking about Americans.

Like, Dan... In the airport line! We'd be in the airport lining up with everyone. In America. He'd be like, have you ever noticed that Americans are just really, like, loud and obnoxious? You mean like Australians? He would be loud and obnoxious saying this, and people would turn and look at him. And I'll just see, oh, God.

I don't know. I don't know. He would do it, like, constantly. Like, I remember he was in the hotel pool at wherever we were staying, some shitty hotel hotel at near contact in the desert and he's in the pool with like some boomer American couple. And I don't know why. He just goes up to them and he's like, you know, did you ever notice that Americans are just like, you know, there's a little poor.

Like people are very poor. It's just like, have you been to Western Sydney? He would just bring up this shit. Like, what are you doing? Why are you even bringing any of this up? Why are you talking to these people like this? Like, this is their country. I was really unreal.

You know what? Dan reminded me of. Dan was like a big Labrador that you had that whenever someone came to the house, he would just slobber over everyone and embarrass you. Yeah, he's a little bit like. I mean, he was a funny guy. This is where we went out to, yeah. Did you record with her one episode? Was it her?

No. No? No, this wasn't my friend, Julie. You're thinking of Julie who I stayed with, I think on the second trip. She's great. But we went to the Integritron. I think Dan farted in there. It was quite loud.

But see this image, I wanted to show you this image. So we're out in the desert. We went to that giant rock out in the middle of the desert. And at one point where everyone's packing up ready to go? And I'm like, where the hell's Dan? And I look around. And I don't know if you can see near the end of the horizon. I can.

Yeah. That little dot. What is he doing? In a trance walking out into the desert. Like, just walking into like the middle of nothing. Why? And I had to scream out to him. and run and get him.

And I said, dude, what were you doing? Because he was just walking. It was like a mile away. I said, what are you doing? He's like, oh, man, I don't know what happened. I just like zoned out and started walking. He was just like, he was in a trance walking into the desert. And I thought, that's how missing 4-1-1 happens.

Yep. Someone just gets like zapped and out he goes. That was what you got me from Amman. And that was our completed studio when I came back. That was great because we had, like, we were able to have a few people. people, you know, come and interview in there as well. We had, was it, I can't remember a name. Isn't that terrible?

Megan with the crop circles. Yeah. She was wonderful. It was a great space. That's the day we're moving. This is the library, which is now going to the U. It's much bigger now. But here is like the last day where I went, oh my God, we forgot to move the books.

I just piled them into the boot of my car. It's awful. And we got everything. It was a really nice space down there. Yeah, it was good. Nice clean office. We had our artwork up supplied by fans. We had our trophies that we won for being.

you know, Australian business of the year, pretty much. Yeah. It was just a good little space. We were happy in there. And that's where we had our children. Our children were born when we were in that space. Yeah, I've got photos of my son actually on that blanket. And we also had the Theosophical Library, which is just across the road.

They were lovely. Yeah. And they viewed us initially, I think, with a lot of skepticism. Yeah, they were wary of us. Very wary of us when we first. Because, you know, basically the minimum age there was 90. So when you get these guys in their late 20s, 30s coming in, like, I think they were concerned.

But very quickly, like, they just, they warm to us and we warm to them. And it was a really, really lovely resource as well. It was like a content renaissance during those years because, and this was 2016. Yep. Because we just had so much at our fingertips. Like, if you were running short on content, you could just go up to the library and find something so obscure that it would kind of make the show. And I was happy.

I was really happy in those years. And then obviously some of us weren't. So this is a very special. specific photo. This is what I call the no content car coma. And Aaron and I would often fall into the no content karma. Hey, by the way, to be fair, this was after my first son was born. And even though he slept, it was still like, yeah, I'm done. I've just, you're just passed out. I was passed out. But it would happen when you would go through like four books and you can't get a story for whatever reason. You just can't pull a story out of it. And you just so exhausted, you just fall into

this no-content coma. And usually when you wake up from the coma, the first thing you pick up would have a story. Yeah. And you'd be set. Do that was weird back then as well, because that was when I, remember when I was like phasing out?

Like I literally, like, my memory was so stuffed. Oh, that's right. That like, I would like try to walk to work and I'd forget how I'd come to work or I'd like kind of come to not realizing where I was. It was really freaking terrifying. Were you on drugs or something? Sleep deprivation.

Okay. I was so sleep deprived that I actually found out, I was in such a sleep debt that it was like, it was completely stuffing with my mind. So that was terrifying. But as soon as I got out of that, it was like straight back into it. And all that weird stuff with like not being able to find. I just went away. And then we, after that, we went to Chicago. Remember our trip to Chicago? Yeah. That Chicago experience was a real turning point. It was a turning point. It changed a lot of things because it was like, we went to this, that podcasting conference. And I kid you not, it was like a

fucking communist woke meeting before any of this stuff became something. And I remember, look, I don't care about the color of your skin. I don't. I judge people on who they are. And I remember we walked into this conference and it was like everyone was under a fucking spell. And there were these two women from, I think the podcast was called another round or something. And the first thing they do was they get up on stage and they go, hey, but you ever notice that white people fucked everything up.

And everyone's like, oh! Everything. I'm like, you're not helping. Everything was anti-white. Everything was anti-men. Black women in power. Like, it really was, and it was funny, us being from Australia, we had that in spades, believe me.

Like, we had a lot of that, too. The rest of the, it was everywhere in the world. But America really was the tip of the spear for the victimhood. Yeah. And like, just grifting. And it was a real culture shock to go there and just see how immersed people's thoughts. Like, everyone was shackled by that ideology. to the point where we went to this, you're right, this podcast conference and we just realized,

is this, this is a cult. Yeah. Like, this is actually a cult. And it was after this, you know, the Black Lives Matter thing kicked off. And we'll, let's talk about all this stuff in the, the plus extension. We'll do, again, we'll do a big tell all in the plus extension coming up. We'll go into some of these details. But that was a big turning point for us because it was so woke.

You know, you especially were like, I think I'm done. I think that's the end of the show. Well, if this is the future of podcasting, I don't want to be part of it. I just didn't because it was like, it wasn't about the personal characteristics of the individual. It was about how oppressed are you and how much can I complain about it. And like this whole, I keep you know, this whole conference was out. There was one guy, some white guy who got up and he was like, oh, like, I'd adopted this little black boy. And like he put his hands up on the slippery slide.

And when he did that, like it suddenly came over me. It was like he was doing hands up, don't shoot. And everyone in the audience was like, oh, What the fuck are you talking about? It's unreal how it was. You're messing up that kid's life, but I didn't believe it for a second. Wasn't it funny? We went to that conference, and one of the first vendors were handing out these cards,

and it had our show on it. Just some random vendor was advertising our show. We didn't know them. It was totally bizarre. But it was funny because I remember sitting down with you and just really pleading with you to stay on because I was done. I knew we had more in us, and I knew that the bed, the best years were yet to come.

And they really were. Which turned out to be true because, I mean, the culture wars turned a corner after that because Trump won the election, of course, and it was the first big pushback against everything we found distasteful about that culture in the United States and in Australia at the time. And we ended up being even more successful after that. Like our subscriber numbers went up. We made more money after 2016 than we had.

Up until that point. Up until that point. We just were really doing extremely well after 2016. and it really was, I'm so glad that we stuck with it because it turned out to be quite a boon for us. Well, we also continued to meet some really great people. And as much, and we'll go into the plus extension because then like we had, you know, the 2018,

2020 kind of stuff. And that really rocked the boat. Like that made things pretty difficult. But I think because we persevered, it's like we came out well on the other side. You know, it's like it was really kind of a test of our character or a test of our determination. and I feel like from the spiritual perspective, we passed.

Yeah, we did. Yeah, because it was so tempting to go with the status quo back then. It was so tempting to just fall in line. But obviously, that's the antithesis of our show. I mean, our show is beyond the mainstream. That was the catchphrase. It's the alternative. It's always been the alternative view.

But before we go into our plus extension, let's introduce Joe and Brandon. That's a great idea. Yeah, we had a call with them earlier. So these are the new hosts of Mysterious Universe, again, starting next Tuesday for PLAA and next Friday for the rest of the listeners. Just again, a quick iteration that this is audio only for them when they start. Yeah, these videos don't represent the guys. We'll sort their studio out a little bit later. They don't have lighting or their cameras aren't set up properly.

So it's like a rough Zoom call. But let's get their audio right, which they will do. Yeah, let's introduce the guys and we'll come back. we're welcoming Joe and Brandon to the show. Let me just switch the scene here and get them on for the call. There they are. Gentlemen, thanks for joining us. Handsome lads, ready to go.

How are you feeling? Can't wait. Feeling amazing, honestly. Unstoppable, really. Thank you guys. It's just so great to have you guys taking over. It's been a bit of a process with the selections. But like Aaron and I have been saying, like you guys just had this spark when you sent

through this demo. It's something. It's something that you can't quantify. It was just this gut feeling. And we just went on pure gut feeling, didn't we? We're just like, but we always have gone on gut feeling. And you're right. Like with like the moment we heard you guys, it was just like, yep, this is it.

This is the guys that we want to run with. And yeah, we're very happy to have you guys on the team for Mysterious Universe, taking over the reins. And we're very excited. I mean, it's an absolute honor. And I do speak for Brandon with this too, but it's a total honor. I mean, we've known you guys. You don't know us, but we've known you guys for. over a decade. So to be stepping in on the shoulders of giants here, trying to fill your massive

10 and a half size shoe is going to be crazy, but we're here for it. Totally here for it. Aaron's actually big of the 10 and a half. Yeah, I'm at 11. I'm 11 too. There you go. Yes, we're extremely excited guys. And we're not even attempting to do what you do. We're, you guys have just handed us the reins of a UFO and we're going to do our best to learn how to fly this thing our way, you know. and just thank you for your faith in us. And thank you guys for sticking it out and giving us a shot. You know, Joe and I are extremely excited about this,

and these guys have great taste, and they chose us for a reason. So definitely stick around, definitely sign up for Plus. We have so many wonderful things ready for you. Joe and I have these creative calls constantly, and we have these scheduled things lined out that you guys, it's going to take it to the next level. And that's our goal here is to just expand

on what's already been built, this incredible legacy. I mean, again, which we're not going to try and emulate. Well, that's what that's what Aaron and I said on a recent show when we were talking about you guys. You know, we said Joe and Brandon have this, you know, 2008, Ben and Aaron, Aaron. Energy. Yeah. And you're also across the topics. Like, you're in depth, because you have followed us.

Like, you know what's going on the topics. But also you have your own opinions and your own views. And I think, especially in this genre, it's really important that we get like a 360 view of what's going on. So I'm actually looking forward to listening because I never listen to our shows ever. Yeah. That's a bit nice. on it anyway yeah exactly but it's sad but i don't listen to anything else but i'll be listening to you guys oh pressure oh i was gonna say no pressure damn i'm not watching you like enjoyably listening

this giant this giant camera watching you guys every time you record oh Aaron's just gonna listen can you put a speaker on so Aaron can talk to you while you're doing the podcast that's a good idea now Aaron's just going to listen to make sure we're not talking shit which we will oh we're gonna talk shit I'm good with that I've done plenty of that myself over the year well you guys sent me a demo show and the first thing I said to you was you need to talk more shit. Like you need to be a little looser. You need to be a little looser. Well, speaking of that, actually, no, you go, Joe. Oh, I was going to say we were really excited about that actually to get your feedback on our first couple practice rounds because we weren't sure how to play it really and how to,

are we super professional? Do we kind of, you know, mess around a little bit? No, forget professionalism. Don't worry about that. Well, I want to ask both of you actually, because like when I started, I remember I teamed up with Ben and I was telling him some of the stories about what had happened to me in my life to get me into these topics, to get me into this stuff. Have either of you had personal experiences that have driven you to go into the paranormal or is it that you just had an interest in it? I'll let you take that one first, Brandon. Go ahead. You know, it was around the time of 18. I really sort of separated from a lot of things and moved out of the house two days after graduation. It was just a very interesting dynamic environment in my life. life at that time. And that's when I was exposed from a Baptist Christian upbringing, very, very

small town, moved to Houston, Texas, graduated with a large class, got exposed to all kinds of things, left there and moved out on my own, just like I said, on foot, didn't have a car, just graduated, got the paper, checked the box, and moved out. In that time, there was a lot of self-exploration, right? You're on your own, you're doing a lot of things. I found unity consciousness with conversations with God to be a book that was handed to me. And another one, you're a lot of the Four Agreements by Don McGill-Ru-Ruiz. And these two books just opened me up right around the time I also discovered psychedelics in hand. And so really there was this about a 20-year stretch of psychonautness that I was just exploring all kinds of good stuff with all sorts of expanded topics.

And being a musician, I was putting myself into all sorts of interesting situations with that and expanding minds in those ways. So it's been a deep path of mind to search and explore. And then to get to do it, this was then inevitable. Did you come across, you know, Alex Cori, you're talking about the hollow moon or Jordan Maxwell or something in lizard turds, right? And so it was easy for me to go from all the music that I was listening to, to the concepts from psychedelics, sitting there just simply going, wow, this world is definitely not, you know, what reality prescribes it to be. And it's just been a fascinating thing from there. So it was a lot of coast to coast. And I didn't find out what podcasts were until about 2018, 2019, late to the game.

But when I did, you guys are one of the first. once I found out about the invisible ninja midgets are the ones that got me on plus and so thank you for that always gets people in it was great I was like I got to hear more yeah that was our biggest boost ever was it real and new subscribers was the and people what about you Joe nothing's ever happened to you except that are that one time you're abducted and uh yeah besides that's on backwards yeah we don't talk about that though we know the uh that's happened to everyone. The only, I guess, close to paranormal is we saw a UFO, me and my wife both. This is just four years ago, so well after I got into these topics. But it's more, I kind of grew up the same as

Brandon. We're a conservative Christian Baptist background and totally turn my back on that and decided to go do my own thing. And then started questioning everything, including that. So I was given a great start to question everything. And so it naturally leads into these kinds of topics. And it's great, though, because I love it. I love these topics. And there's so much to learn. And the old, you know, the old cliche that the more you learn, the more you realize you

don't know is very, very true. And I have more questions to this day than I ever have. So I'm looking forward to learning along with everybody else and delving into these topics to use an AI term delving, which I hate. Yeah, that's the delve. I hope you've got your reading glasses ready because we've got orders at like $12,000 in shipping of books. $14,000 worth of books. Oh, wow.

You went with the air free? Shipping cost. But they were going air freight and I was like, how about the ship? And he's like, oh, you would have sent him by a ship? I'll be half. I'm like, oh, that's, oh, yeah, much better. Okay. So they'll be here in like.

I hope you got room. They'll be here in August of 28 or what. Three-Eye Atlas have already come by and bestowed this knowledge upon all of us, you know, just telepathically. But we're still looking forward to the tangible medium. Yeah, I can't wait to get you guys all those books we've been collecting over the years. That's going to be awesome. I could have scared it, but honestly, I'm like, I'm not scatting that. Yeah, you're going to love it.

And we should mention that you guys are audio only for around six months, the first six months. So, you know, this is just your Zoom set up. This isn't going to what isn't going to be, what the show is going to look like. You're going to be audio only for the first six months. Yeah, I just wanted to call and pop in and say hi. We're looking forward to the old school, the art bell. the way that I heard these topics originally was just on a CD that somebody burned

for me and gave me some conversation of guys, some guy talking about something going on. And that's the way, right, old school, guys. So you could sit there just buy your radio, you know, with a nice cup of Joe, something like that, by the fire, and just enjoy the craziness. Joe and I are going to make you laugh. We're going to make you think and definitely

expand your perspective. Probably offend you. Definitely. Right. Good. Challenge your perspectives in interesting ways and everybody's here for it. And so thank you guys for being along for the Red. Gentlemen, we can't thank you for what you've done for us personally, for

what this means for us, for our homes, for our immediate realities. The people I'm calling Ben Tejada Angram is a dear friend of mine. You guys covered him season 30, his lost dinosaurs of the last world. Yes. And Jose Miguel, Perez Gomez is a dear friend. He reached out after we covered it and gave us a big thank you. He's amazing. So very excited. Again, you guys have just expanded all kinds of worlds here. And just thank you for your kindness. You've been amazing to work with. This has been incredible and insane in a lot of ways, but you guys have both been just so kind and sweet and patient and awesome. Ben Tejada Ingram is one of our newest plus subscribers now as of today. Yeah, he's signed up. Oh, really? We're already bringing

people into the fold. Yeah, that's right. Fantastic. But yeah, like Brandon said, though, you guys are, I mean, we look up to you and we're not going to, you know, do too much glazing, but we look up to you as professionals, as knowledgeable people in these fields. And also, I've learned a lot about audio stuff the last couple months. And thanks to you, my other mentor is Midnight Mike from OBDM, one of my favorite shows, too. He's a great dude and knows what he's doing. So thanks to those guys and everybody else who's helped us along the way with little tidbits and how to set things up. and it's just going to get better from here, I'll tell you that.

Well, that's the other thing as well is, you know, we've had this conversation with you guys because you're new and it's going to be, you know, it's going to be a little bit rough at the start because we listen back to our first shows and I just like, I just cringe. Like I melt in cringe listening to even like season four, I just cringe. But yeah, you guys, even just with a couple of shows I've heard you do, you've improved massively. And so I think this is a good way to get your, audio running smoothly and then we'll look at video about halfway through the year.

But I'm excited to hear your show on Tuesday next week because I've heard the signal chains that we've developed for you. They sound amazing. It sounds so good. Amazing. Yeah, really nice. So I think you guys are going to hit the ground. I mean, I knew you guys knew what you were doing, but to take the signal I sent you from this room into what it sounds like is wizardry. It's probably sorcery. There's probably some dark arts involved, but whatever, it sounds amazing. We've got a cauldron over the back. You never see it. It's always there ready to go. We're here for it. Just pour it in and just plug-ins and away we go. We're here for that. Just take that white witch nonsense with you, all right? Yeah.

Burn the studio down. Get rid of all that nonsense. We're starting fresh here. Torch it. So you guys are doing like an eight-part series on the white lady's to open with? Pass the curse over to you guys. We're mentioning it here and it shall be like Voldemort. We're just never going to, the name that Shelby not named, yeah. Well, thanks so much for joining us, guys. It's great to connect you with everyone and, yeah, great to see you. I can't wait for the first episode on next Tuesday for our Plus members. And of course, you'll be back next Friday.

So best of luck. Fellas, thank you so much. Break a leg. And, yeah, thank you for MU Next Generation. Yep. Is that like a Star Trek? It is actually. There you go.

You nerd. I love it, too. Yeah, we're so here for. for all those. Thank you guys so much for listening. Sign up for plus. That's where it's going to be at. I'm telling you, we're saving all the good shit for that. We're just going to fuck off for the Friday shows. You guys get sign up for plus, I'm telling you. That's where it's the barnacles. The barnacles get the fuck off of us. Yeah, we're just going to phone it in. Just to sign up. We hide the right guys. Hey, love you guys so much. Thank you all. Thanks,

guys. Take care. Yeah, big thanks to Joe and Brandon for the quick introduction. Really looking forward to hearing their first show on Tuesday. And again, just to reiterate, if you sign up for at MU Plus now you'll get access obviously to Mysterious Universe Plus, but coming soon, we have our new show starting in February inescapable. And if you remember, you'll have a dashboard, you know, you go to mysteriousuniverse.org forward slash dashboard. And of course, you've got your feeds when you scroll down. You can copy your exclusive feeds and paste them into your favorite podcast player. It's not there yet, though, is it? No, but starting, I think it might even be up as early as, well, it'll be before Christmas. There'll be another feed down there underneath this one, which will be

inescapable. So if you're a plus member, you just go to your dashboard. We'll announce it on the show. We'll get John Brandon to announce it on the show when it's there. And you'll just have to copy that feed. It's an extra feed. And you get that as an exclusive access to our new show and all the new material we put out. Obviously, you'll get all the paid and extra stuff we put out on Inescapable. So sign up before our new show comes out and you'll get access to both shows. for the same price. That's our pitch to you. Good deal. And with the new guys, you know, give them a bit of slack because it's going to take them a while to get their groove on. You know what I mean? Like they're going to pump out good shows from the get-go, but they're

just going to get better and better as they kind of settle into the role. Yeah, they will. I believe in them. Give them a bit of leeway. You know, they're going to be a little off around the edges when they start, but that's natural. And also, like, they're not us. So it's like, don't expect, and I don't mean that isn't, as in that we're better or anything. All I'm saying is like there will be, change is uncomfortable for anyone. There will with that moment of like, oh, it's not been an hour. Just give them a chance. That's what I said, that they're going to be okay.

That's what I said to them. I said, don't try and be us either. No, make it. No. Make it you. M.U. The next generation. It's version two.

Yeah. Or version three, because we already did version two. Well, let's take a break here. Let's call it for our free audience and say. Oh, I've got so many clips coming up to say, oh, au revoir. Thank you, though. Thank you to everyone who has supported us along the years. And it's, um, it's been.

an incredible journey and I am so grateful and as much as I'm going to miss you, we are back with Inescapable, so don't worry about that. But let's just say that it's something that I cannot express how grateful I am for what you guys have done for us over the years to get us to this point. Yeah, a huge thank you to everyone who's listened, everyone who's subscribed, everyone who's paid us for so long, all the people who have emailed in sent in calls, sent in stories, experiences, sent us books and gifts in the mail. everyone that supported us through the good times and the bad times, thank you so much.

We owe you absolutely everything. I also want to say a huge thank you to all of our riders who have been with us for years. Paul Seaburn, Brett Swanson, Brett Swanson, Big Bo, Nick Redfern, who I hope is out there somewhere. We might talk about the Nick story after the break. I hope he's out there listening. and just everyone who's been with us. Micah was with us.

Micah Hanks from the very early days. You know, there's been so many people. I'm sorry if I forgot anyone. Sequoia Kennedy. I want to give a special thanks to Floor, who's been our support staff. She's going to continue working with us with the new guys. Her house was literally blown over in a typhoon,

and she's like, guys, I don't have internet for 24 hours, but I'll be back on up my friend's place. Yeah. She's incredible. She's amazing. She'll go through natural and man-made disasters to keep answering support tickets. She's been fantastic. She's been with us for years.

I want to give her very special thanks to Nat Sherwood as well, who has been our mix engineer for quite a long time now. I think it's... I don't know if it's quite 10 years. But yeah, actually, it might be just coming up on 9. I think it's 9 years with Nat. And he's just always been there for us. You know, he's the kind of guy who's up at 1 a.m.

waiting for the files. Like, he's ready to put the show out. at 3 a.m. And, you know, he's just been fantastic for us. So, Nat, thank you so much for everything you've done for us. And yeah, if there's anyone I forgot, thanks for you, thanks for everything. Thank you. Yeah, there's just, there's so many people that, you know, if I don't mention your name, it's not because, you know, you haven't meant anything to us. Like, you've been, people have been so wonderful. It's just been so much and it's actually so overwhelming. Well, it's, it's trying to remember 19 years worth of people that have been

there for us. There's a lot of people. There's been a lot of people. And that's That's our au revoir for us for the free show. Of course, if you're on plus, there's more coming up for you. Bridge burning time. More crazy clips. I want to play, I haven't even played like a dolphin birthing clip. What was the, what was the anal thing down there? Anal breathing, I haven't played for you.

I haven't played, we haven't played the Adam clip. We've got Linda Kirby. Linda Kirby? Oh my God. Connie Nakamura. Connie Nakamura. Remember the. artist that was hanging in a tree, all of that's coming up.

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