Mysterious Universe - 34.25 - MU Podcast - Occult Louisiana

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Occult Louisiana is a documentary made in 2023 by film maker and all around great guy, Chris Mathieu of Forbidden Knowledge Productions. This film takes us exploring into the mysterious happenings in and around the swamps of Louisiana. Chris brings great presenters to speak on a variety of fascinating topics from hidden ancient history, voodoo, pirates, cryptids to modern conspiracies. Check the links for his website and how to watch Occult Louisiana, available on Tubi, Roku, and Apple TV. What will you be using to thwart the easily twartable Rougarou? Then for our Plus+ extension, we peruse the work of Oliver Sacks and the stories of strange neurological conditions, including a man who couldn’t see faces, another that had the short term memory of a goldfish, and a woman who couldn’t stand unless she was looking at herself! Are these isolated, exaggerated cases, or just another manifestation of perception being intricately linked to personal reality? Occult Louisiana Forbidden Knowledge.news 13 Sacred Nights - Lara Day LinksPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE. ⁠The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat: And Other Clinical Tales⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We got that right. Okay, we only had to try twice on that one. Perfect. You did it. Professionals already. I'm Joe Hodgson, if you haven't listened before, and my co-host is joining me here. Brandon Thomas, what's up, buddy?

How you doing, Mike? Are we ready to do this thing for the second time? Well, I mean, second time on the free feed, I guess. You know how interesting, because some folks are, only hearing us on the free feed, which we highly don't recommend. You know, you check this out and you go, wow, they're fun and you should see what we're doing on Plus because it's really wild over there. Oh, yeah. And the Plus audience hears all of this stuff. So they get the grand context of everything. So definitely go sign up for Plus Guys. You get in there now before

the boys launch their new show, which of course is called Inescapable. Very excited to hear what they're going to do there. Then you get both shows for the price of what you're paying there. So definitely go down there. Check it out. You get multiple tears. A couple weeks left. A couple weeks. left, come check us out, hang out with us on Plus. And you've got a bangor plus extension coming up after this, man. Yeah, I can't wait. It's a book I've never heard of before. And thanks to Simon over in the UK across the pond for sending this over to me, it's the man whom this took his wife for a hat. And it's, it could border on hot chaff. And I have a couple things to say about this once we get into it. But it's basically about really wonky neurological issues that people have. And this book is

full of them. I'm only covering a couple of them, but they're really interesting and weird, and I mean, again, something I've never heard of before. If you have heard of it before, stay tuned anyway, because it'll be me telling it, which will be different than you've ever heard, I'm sure.

But for this free show, what do you have coming up? Dude, we are going to be covering occult Louisiana, and this is by, we both have the great honor of calling this guy a brother. This filmmaker, Chris Matthew, he is a forbidden Knowledge News.net. You guys can check out his website as well as this podcast, all podcast platforms,

Forbidden Knowledge News. Now, he made this film, uh, 2023 called Occult Louisiana. And it's a documentary by Forbend Knowledge News Productions. And it explores the mysteries of Louisiana, the swamps, the food, the culture. But it's also got a ton of things about ancient history, voodoo, pirate love, modern conspiracies. And it's incredible. All of the stories that are in there, the presenters are wonderful. He does a great job with it, and it's just got such a variety of action going on again in this very localized area. And we talked about on the last plus episode how interesting that is, these very localized, regionally specific incidences that occur. And this is riddled with it.

Yes. Anything Lafayette, Fayette, and also, what was the other one? Anything with devil in the title. Oh, absolutely. The boys have covered that a lot, too, and it's anything devil's tower, devil's, devil's, devil's uh what was the the UFO uh story terry lovelace yes it's it in at devil's den yeah so all these how all these you know names kind of seem to have a a common thread for some reason and is it because of the name is it because of the name or do they name it that because of all the weird things

that go on but yes chris uh i absolutely love that guy one of the few people i've got to meet in the podcasting world in real life and hung out with him and a bunch of other people. And he's, he's great people. He's really branching out as far as his artistic expression goes and moving instead of just, you know, audio podcast. He's doing documentaries. And he has a second one out called Doors of Perception, too. And that's kind of a different, different vein, but still, still a bit mysterious universe. So how do we start out with this one, dude? I have not seen the documentary documentary myself. We had talked Tuesday about that, and I decided not to watch it because I want you to tell me what it's all about. So I will hand it over to you, and we'll get going on this.

Awesome. Yeah, so this thing is available on Tobe, Roku, and Apple TV. You guess we just go down there and check it out. It's linked through his website. So definitely check that on. That is linked down below. Forbidden Knowledge. News. Now, Chris over here talks, he opens all of this up with the conspiracy theories that sort of surround this area. And are you familiar with Corey Hughes? Yes, absolutely. He's the author of a warning from history. And this dude figured out JFK long before the guy that went on Rogan and talked about it did. He has had this information for years, and he goes into massive depth about it. He's, I mean, from everything, from corrupt mayors and officials to the plot actually occurring in Louisiana. And then there was doubles of Oswald that

were seen around. And then he was verified in the Soviet Union at the same time. So there's a lot of conspiracy straight out the gate that takes place there. And Corey Hughes does just an awesome job on that. I highly recommend checking out his work. And I'll say it again, a warning from history, which again, he discloses the evidence of JFK assassination. And a lot of the plot took place in New Orleans, which is fascinating. Well, Corey's one of those not officially autistic, but as close to autistic as you could get with this subject. He's, I would say that book is the, definitive, if you don't know much about it, or if you're missing some pieces from the whole JFK story, which is really the OG conspiracy, go check that book out because he fills in a lot

of missing pieces. And I think he has his own ideas of exactly, you know, what we're not, who was behind it and what went on. But again, that's for you to decide as a consumer of this content. Exactly. Yeah. And he go, Corey is amazing. Just like you said, definitely spectrumy and we love you Corey. I say this out of reverence, dude. I think we're all a little vaccine injured-ish, and that's sort of what the autism, but artistic, autistic, artistic, artistic, or very

close phonetically. So I think that's interesting as well. But Corey definitely channels it in a healthy direction. I will say that. I went and married Chris Matthew and his beautiful bride, Jennifer, and there's pictures of us standing barefoot in a river under this awesome, like, awning

thing, this archway that they crafted and made and... Damn hippies. Oh, it was incredible. He had these mushrooms, this five different strand of mushrooms that he grew and danced naked over for weeks before. And they sang to and all this stuff. And that was the time that I broke my mushroom, I guess. I came out of retirement for that and then put it back down. But, dude, we had an amazing time. But Corey and I wrote up to the place where we camped for a couple of days together.

And it was an hour and some change ride. So we had a lot of time to talk. And that guy is fascinating. I mean, we could just honestly hit record and let him go nuts on it and not say a word. and he would just blow your mind on the whole JFK subject. So he does that in there, and I'm not going to go into it here. But just know that it is riddled with fascinating stuff, and he does a great job because Corey's featured in the film as well.

Nice. So he also goes in here and talks about a psychic named Catherine Lane, who is a, she speaks about the psychic energy of the place, and she can't even walk down certain areas of New Orleans because of all the psychic heaviness of that area. Like she fills the spirits and she can fill this negative energy in the place, and she said that she can't, she, there's some parts she can't even go to. A bit of a psychic fog.

Yeah, yeah. And then he also talks about voodoo priestesses in there and pirate kings. Of course, Mary LeVoe and Jean Lafayette. There's another Lafayette. And this dude was a pirate and a bad ass pirate. He ended up actually helping them win the War of 1812 with Andrew Jackson. And so they got a pardon from this governor who, they had a lot of contention in the town. and he was basically forced to pardon all these pirates because they showed up,

like a thousand pirates showed up to help this war. And it was just incredible. So it's riddled with fascinating information, man. The whole thing, the scene, and if you've ever been to New Orleans, Louisiana in general is wild. Driving there from Texas, I've been once. I've been twice. I went to Baton Rouge once, and I don't recommend that. No offense, guys.

But I drove through to New Orleans to pick up a guitar player that I was in a band with at the time. He was moving back from New Orleans, so I went out there to spend the night and to grab all of his shit and bring it back. And ended up learning how to skateboard drunk on Bourbon Street, like at 2 a.m. or whatever. We stayed in the French quarter, and the place just has an eeriness about it, man. It wasn't during Mardi Gras or anything like that. It was just an off-season Tuesday. And it was fascinating, though. It's a weird place for sure.

I've never been there. What I know of New Orleans, especially Baton Rouge or the Mardi Gras area of that whole place, is from movies. And from what I've heard, though, it's actually pretty spot on with how it is there, and it does have that weird, eerie vibe. And I can't say I have any inclination to go down there myself, unless it was to do something like this and make a documentary,

because it's just not my scene. I mean, I was born and raised in California. I can't see myself being down there in that. I think of it as a swamp. It's just a humid swamp. And apparently it is. It is very humidity and very swampy. Yes, the drive there from Texas, because I went in from Houston,

and there were countless bridges, man, through the swamps. And it was a really cool drive and honestly a really cool town. I highly recommended it. The food was really great. And that's another thing that Chris reveres in this film is he just talks about the culture and just all of the things that occurred there. Because if you think of all the history there, there's this guy who runs French Quarter Tour Guide.

He's this guy named Luke Seidel. And he talks about hexes, black magic, voodoo dolls. And he talks about that being thought of as voodoo is an evil thing and hurting people, that's all Hollywood. He said that voodoo has a very strong idea of the like attracts light kind of a thing in karma and the rule of threefold. So any voodoo practitioner knows if they're doing something to you, it's going to come back to them threefold. So they're very careful about how this works. Now, a lot of it is, and voodoo is simply emerging of a couple of different practices. It's West African practices and Catholicism.

And so whenever you put these things together, you've got this interesting history that occurred there. When the French were there, it was actually, they were all Catholic, and it was illegal. They didn't have freedom of religion, so they had to bring religion with them and then make sure that everyone practiced Catholicism in the new world, right? So as they settled in, everyone was Catholic that came to. there. And so they brought this religion with them, but also you had this West African influence as well. So they would be forced to go to Catholicism during the day and teach their kids this. And then at night, they would sneak out to the deep parts of the swamp and do their actual magic celebrations. And he talks in here about whether a believer of voodoo or not, it's history and it's central

in all of these foundations. He talks about in 1718, this is when the French came in and that it was a law for you to have to absolutely practice Catholicism because you did not want to be branded a heretic. To be rented a heretic, you were outcast, killed, or worse. So they enslaved a bunch of people, brought them to New Orleans, and the first generation enslaved Africans, which were just a bit different, the British colonies bringing enslaved people from the Caribbean, and they were being forcibly converted to Catholicism. So you had this whole thing going on that as enslavement was being, you know, paraded around the Louisiana purchase this whole time, then you had a lot of interesting things happening with the mixture of different cultures and religions. And he talks in there

that in voodoo, the voodoo doll, right? So what's your knowledge about the voodoo doll? Just that you make a little, you know, cloth or something, you stitch together with people's hair or their teeth or whatever you have, their DNA, and then you put needles into it to harm them. Or I guess you could do something good with it and be like, here, look, you're in a great place now. But I don't think that's usually what people associate with voodoo, correct? And that's the thing. Is it actually voodoo was more of a thing to where you made the embodiment of a deity or you made an embodiment of you and then you channeled energy into the point, the focus point with the needle on

yourself. So let's say you had a brain tumor or headache or something like this, you would then put the needle in your, the doll that you made of your own head and put it in your own head, and then it would channel your positive energy and intent into that area and heal you. Sympathetic magic, yeah. Yeah, so this, you know, inverted nonsense, right? You're thinking of Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom when that kid has that doll and he's holding it over the fire and freaking short rounds got to come in there and, you know, scissor kick the kid. Yeah, that voodoo is the Hollywood type. And so really, really again, you know, voodoo practitioners know better because it comes back on on threefold.

That kid got his ass whooped. So if you look at this as well, there are all kinds of synergetic religions that occur, and that's just when two religions, one or more, joined together to make a sort of third religion as a mix or a blend of the two. They both had very similar things where they sort of had the idea of a virgin mother. The African virgin mother is much more metaphoric and less pure than the Catholic one. but the biggest and best was they both had ancestor spirits that they prayed to. So if you take your prayers to God, then he can't hear them. So you did this through saints or through venerated souls, these dead souls that had already passed on,

and these were the ones that carried your message right to God or this monotheistic source that they shared the understanding of. Voodoo practitioners will use a term called Loa, which is a bit more of a general term, and it applies to a sort of voodoo that a saint used in a understanding of, it basically projects like angels and demons and things like that that were never human. And then you have things like the idea of there being a central figure that stands at the threshold of the other side for you whenever you die. So Papalegba is the one in voodoo, right, but you then have in Catholicism the idea of St. Peter. And so these are these entities

that guard the other side to decide, you know, allegedly, if you go either to the good place or the bad place or whatever. Now, my question is, what happens is you kick pop leg bone the dick and run the other way? You know, you choose no door. Is there a third door Joe? Oh, you're interrupting reality. We've talked about that already. Yeah, don't go towards the light. It's something that we may talk about at some point. You're familiar with those kind of things, the Demiurge and the Archons and the Soul Trap and the Moon Matrix. Yeah, the Moon is collecting souls and that's the light you see when you die. Yeah, yeah. Now, let's talk about the Voodoo Queen of New Orleans, Marie Levo. She was an herbalist, a midwife, and a voodoo practitioner. Born in 1801 as a free woman of color.

She was a spiritual teacher, and she helped to heal the sick in her community. Now, her voodoo practice had ties to Catholicism. There that is again. And she used a blend of West African spiritual traditions, Catholic saints, and indigenous herbal knowledge. Now, she was known for healing rituals, protection charms, love spells, and spiritual counseling. There were claims she could curse your enemies and protect your ally. She died in 1881, but people reported sightings of her for decades after that. One of her daughters could have acted as her creating the confusion, which we'll get to, and some think that Marie never died spiritually or physically. Though not a slave herself, she did associate herself with other,

folks of color who were perhaps slaves. And they, of course, were in the households of all of these aristocrats of the time. The aristocratic people would just talk openly around slaves and around their servants and things like this. And they didn't think of it was a big deal because the servants, they thought, were never going to tell anybody about it and didn't talk amongst themselves. I don't know why they felt that it was such a secure environment, but come to find out that the slaves talked. And then she was able to impart knowledge about all of these. aristocratic folks and it seemed like she was psychic. So this woman just kind of made a name for herself. She started mixing up potions and healing people and doing these different healing ceremonies and

things like this. And then it's interesting because she had about four daughters. Two of them at least ended up dressing like her and being acting exactly like her and calling themselves Marie Laveau. And somebody would show up to this psychic thinking that it was this lady who'd been around forever, right, this 50-year-old woman. And then it was this young, beautiful. smoke show that sits down and they're like, how is this possible? We know you've been alive for a long time. It sounds like St. Germain vibes. It is St. Germain vibes, but it's really just a physical bait and switch. And when you get into sort of the history of it, it's not as fun, but it's still interesting, right? How you could imagine puppeteering around this masquerade and this time where these

fucking people were so goddamn gullible, it seems, right? Well, they're really into beads from what I hear, too. Love the beads, man. Love the beads. With the Louisiana Purchase, in 1803. This guy showed up with his brother Pierre Lafayette. This guy named Jean.

Jean Lafayette. Here we go. Oh, it's fucking French. I knew it. So, yes, Louisiana purchased 1803, this dude showed up with his brother Jean Lafayette

and Pierre Lafayette. Now, he was 24, and Pierre was like 22. They were both incredibly handsome, well-educated men. So they were us. Yeah, absolutely. There you go.

Come on. So Pierre was a kind of like a sexy nerd He kept the books for John and ran some of his businesses and stuff like that But John was really your quintessential pirate dude Like the hats the feathers the coats the whole thing Gay In some ways the character of Jack Sparrow is probably based off of this guy But the big difference is Jack Sparrow's like kind and nice and all this stuff

And John Lafee is like a fucking horrible No Jack Sparrow was just drunk all the time That's it But John Lafitte was this horrible, drunk, murderous captain pirate thing. Oh, okay. He was one of those. Yeah, he was like a full-blown pirate, but folks didn't hate him in New Orleans because he had this romance about him.

You know, he was apparently just very good looking, and he spoke four different languages, so he was just spolution panties all over the place. But he did be incredibly wealthy. He was hunting down folks in the Gulf, and he started a huge smuggling ring, like black markets and stuff like this, from this business out of New Orleans. And he was sort of this local legend. He set up shop in Pirates Alley, which is right beside St. Louis

Theater, sort of this heart of the French Quarter area. It was like an open air market. Now it's just this place in Pirates. There's a Pirates Alley bar there today, but it was actually the back of a prison where they used to hold Pirates. So that's fun. And you guys can go there and drink. Now, I wouldn't be very interested in going out to New Orleans. Like with you, Chris, something like that, that would be fun because there's a lot of really cool stuff out there. Yeah, I'd have to have a crew with me to go down there. I'm just a small white man. I don't know how much I'd fit in down there.

I think you'd fit in just fine. I am a quarter of French, so. Then he talks about this William C.C. Claiborne, he was this dude that Thomas Jefferson sent down after the Louisiana purchased to be governor. And this dude had a big issue because he didn't speak French, and this did not go over well with all the folks. So he and LaFay ended up having this rivalry between the two. the pirate would do something crazy.

They would chase each other. They would lock him up. He would break out. So he puts up wanted posters for the pirate. And they were wanted $500. And the next day in their place, it was a picture, those posters were replaced with a picture of Claybourne wanted for $1,500. Sort of like us pirates have more money than you and you're being ridiculous. 1500 bucks back then was nothing to sneeze at.

Yeah, that was quite a bit. Okay, yeah, and then this is where the war of, and this is where the war at 1812 comes in. This is British's last attempt to make a colony here, and he says in the movie here that if we lose this, we're all speaking English, which is funny. Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition for Citizens Bank. It's peak pollination season, and my business is scaling fast. To keep the nectar flowing, I need a phone plan with top priority data speed.

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There's the treaty at Ghent, which ends. the war, but it had been signed over in all these places in Europe, but it did not sign by everyone and hadn't been signed over here in the U.S. So Thomas Jefferson had given Andrew Jackson the order. He said, you keep fighting until everybody has signed the treaty, right? It's not, it's not law until it's all signed. So there's 26,000 troops on the other side of the river, and Andrew Jackson has about 6,000 defenders. They were incredibly outnumbered, like 4 to 1, dude. And so the day of the battle comes and 1,000 pirates show up on the battlefield. And that's where this happens. Jean himself didn't show up because,

he was cutting off supply lines in the swamp. He was kind of scared that if he did show up, people would arrest him, which may have actually happened. So in this, though, there's over 2,000 British casualties, about 200 American casualties, and it's like a huge victory for the Americans. Then that's, of course, what would propel Andrew Jackson to become president, and then probably get assassinated for wanting greenbacks, proper currency, without debt attached to it. So Andrew Jackson for his heroism and eventually Claiborne were politically forced to give Jean Lafitte and his men all a free pardon because they basically saved the United States. Lafitte and his men sailed off to Galveston, Texas. He built a little cabin there.

He got bored, because he's a fucking pirate, and pirates can't sit still on land. And so he ends up going with his men to an expedition out to South America. And then they say in here that very romantically, none of them are ever heard from or seen again. Chris then goes on in the film to touch on Mardi Gras and how it was predominantly, you know, these days it's a predominant. a Christian celebration. If you can believe that, did you know that? I did not. I thought it was more about boobies and beads. Yeah, right? That's absolutely what it's right, which makes sense that it's Christian, actually. It gets its roots from pagan origins with the celebration of fertility and life, of course. And it originates from practices like Saturnalia. Are you familiar with that? I am. That's the old Roman basically Christmas, right? Yes, yes, and they would let all the, everybody just go buck wild, man.

And they would have these huge sex in the streets, kind of debauchery type things. The poor would be served by the rich and all of this inverted archetypes and all this kind of stuff. And it was for a very short period of time. And it was just sort of like a purge. So people didn't lose their shit and revolt. Yeah, keeping the masses happy as they do. He then gets into zoological creatures of the swamp, namely the Rougaroo, the Dogman. What's another name for it?

Do you know that? Werewolf? Chupacabra? Or is that Mexico? I think that's Mexico in a different... Are chupacabras? Could those be? Like sort of a subspecies? I know they're... I think they're native to South America, but I think there are reports of them in the U.S. too,

but it could just be, I don't know, paradolia of the cryptid. Who knows? Yeah, maybe you reduce it to a chupacabra because a roo-guru is too terrifying to look at. So what do you know about dogmen and rogueroo? I don't know anything about Roo-Garoo. What I know of Dogmen is from, I think it was Tony Merkel, who put out a documentary a year or two ago, and it was the dogman of something.

I don't have to look it up. You caught me naked here. But, yeah, he did a whole documentary about hour, hour and a half about just Dogman in particular. And I know we've talked about this, I think on the last episode, maybe the one before, but about how these things kind of like. like Skinwalkers, they appear differently to different people. And is it a dog man or is it an alien gray who's just like, oh, I'm in this area. So I'll appear as a dog man right now or it could be Mothman or Bigfoot. Yeah, any of this stuff, right? It's just interesting also. There's a, there's an account in here by a guy named Scott Pace, which I'm going to get to here in a second

that's fascinating because it involves a Bigfoot and a dog man together like they were hanging out. It's a wild story. And then he has even wilder stories after that as they do. So, Mary looked up some Rougaroo fun facts for you if you'd like, and it's a variation of the French word lup garou, meaning werewolf. It's described as a human cursed to become a monstrous beast with canine features, sometimes described as a shapeshifter. So allegedly these things can shape shift as well.

And you'd hope that it wouldn't be as painful as the movies depict the werewolf transitions with the skin being ripped off and that whole deal. Bone breaking, all that stuff. It's more like, you know, ethereal, do you think? or are their bodies in ethereal to begin with, and that's why they can change them and shape them in any way that they'd like. It's not bone they're moving around. Yeah, that makes more sense to me,

is that they're either half etheric or completely etheric, and that's why they shape shift like that. Or, I mean, we are getting into a time now where nanotechnology is at a point where that might actually be physically possible, too, where it's almost like little pixels, but in the 3D space, and they can shift into different, forms because they're just such tiny little particles. I'm not well versed on that yet and we'll

see what happens. Maybe it's, again, art imitating life. Who knows? Or technology imitating life, I guess. But what is the, what is occult Louisiana put forward? Is there a theory that he puts forth in there? I'm just going to say, though, that I've never heard that Joe. And I think it's fascinating that, you know, nanobots, of course, you know, you think of all the sci-fi tech and all that. nanorobots could be assembled into a freaky wooa creature like a bigfoot or something like this. That's incredible. I don't know why that never made sense to me that it could be, but of course they could. And it's even better because then they presume or appear to be this ethereal creature, but really it's microscopic.

And this gets us back to scale. Because scale-wise, I feel, and we're going to go off on this in another episode, we don't, we're not going to spend much time on it here. But scale-wise, this could solve the whole disappearing in the blink of an eye idea. It didn't shoot off somewhere. you got real, real, real, real, real, real fast. Or dispersed. And that's the thing, too. Maybe, yeah, it's got this ability to span out real huge and engulf everything beyond space and time that that's the mechanism.

Who knows? Well, it's the hive mine type of idea. And I know that, especially China, I've seen a lot of reports coming out of China with all those mini drones and they do the light shows and they're making these fantastic huge, I don't even know, like dragons probably because it's China. but but then they morph into something else. And that's, that's with lights and little drones, like physical little drones that are getting about. But I don't see why that couldn't be translated into something you see right in front of you, too. Is that revelation in the method, though, you know, to your concept here?

Is that just a large, clunky scale version of what's really occurring at this tiny, tiny scale? Totally possible. We're in 2025. I both believe and don't believe everything I see now. It's a weird spot to be in. It's a beautiful point. And thanks for bringing up another one. I hadn't even thought of self-assembling nano robots.

I could then just shape-shift into these things. Absolutely, Joe. Well done, man. Put it on the board. So unlike the werewolf, though, the rogueroo does not require a full moon to turn. It can emerge at night anytime when it feels necessary, and especially when it's hungry. So usually it haunts swamps and sugar cane fields. And according to the legend, if one discovers the identity of a roo-garoo, it must be kept secret.

For either a year and one day or 101 days, it will be believed that you will be turned into a roo-garoo by revealing the identity too soon. That's an oddly specific amount of time. These things, dude. Like Homegirl's casket, right? You walk around it seven times a noxial answer, but six, and she's like, oh, man, you just missed it. Yeah. So, this, of course, he punishes those who break Catholic rules, which then comes back to this tie into Catholicism in the area, right? that even this thing knows that it is an agent of God

and that you should not be thinking sinful thoughts and it will punish you for breaking Catholic rules if you do. Classic way to mind control people. Somebody's always watching you, watching you stroke the salami like ninja midgets. You think that they, yeah, absolutely. They will absolutely watch that shit. They're nasty.

They're into it. When you think of these parents who sit there and say to their kids, they want them to grow up Catholic and they're like, oh shit, well, we have this scary monster story. Let's just tie it in, like elf on the shelf or Santa or anything else. else. And then let's just tie it into this moral obligation to kind of follow the rules that we want you to. I mean, any way to keep people doing what you want them to, if it works, it works. No matter how crazy it sounds. Respect this curfew. Follow these orders that rooooo is going to tear your fucking face off little Timmy.

It goes back to boogeyman. What are there some other Santa watching you, you know, all year long and you don't get presents unless you're good all year. It's a great way to keep people in line. Fuck yeah, you got elf on the shelf, snoop on the stoop, you got all kinds of stuff going on, man. And in the 16th century, it was common to blame crimes on the roo-garoo. Villagers would capture anyone they suspected of being a roo-garoo and subject them to a public trial,

which is probably incredibly fair and impartial. Often the accused was found wandering the woods or a villager whose behavior seemed unusual. The court would ask the crowd if they thought the person to be a roo-garoo, and more often than not the crowd would agree, largely under fear that they might be outed as a witcher a roo-garoo themselves. So you have this mass panic, right?

Were they acting odd? Were they gathering herbs to make a poultice for a wound? Oh, that sounds like a witch to me. Burn her! He hunted an animal on the 7th. Oh, shit, he's got to be a roo-garoo, man. And apparently the roo-roo, this is my favorite one, by the way. Apparently, the roo-caroo cannot count past the number 12.

So in order to protect yourself, you should lay 13 small objects by your doors, and the Rougaroo will try to count the objects but will not know what to do. How to easily confuse a Rougaroo. Just put 13 things out there, and you're good. That's it. It frustrates them, and they will just keep counting over and over and over again until the sun comes up and they have to flee. Such easy problems to solve. I'm glad we have these great minds coming up with these things. There's a Rougaroo Festival that occurs every single year in Huma, Louis.

Louisiana, and there is a Rougaroo exhibit in New Orleans. Very cool. So let's talk about Scott Pace. He has this really interesting story, man. It's unlike anything I've ever heard. He tells it on the documentary, and I'll just kind of sum it up here. He talks about that he was out hunting on a hunting lease. He had an account with what he called Bigfoot, which is a force person. He rightfully tells us here. And a dog man walked up on him when he was in the hunting blind. Okay, so it's about 5, 6 p.m. He goes out there with a backpack and a 30-odd-6, which is a rifle. So he gets to this stand, right? It's about six foot by six foot. It's not one of those tree stands. It's up in the trees. It's on the ground. Okay. So he gets in there, 6 p.m. at night, sets his backpack down,

sets his rifle in the corner to his left, and he's just sitting there hanging out. Then all a sudden he gets a very high-pitch ringing in his left ear. That makes him wince. He looks over. And he looks up to his left. And the right. And the right. rifle in the corner is vibrating. So he grabs it to steady it. He picks the thing up and is like, what is going on, looks over to his left and sees what he says is a black figure. It's all black. It's huge and black. So what he does is he picks up his phone. He takes a picture of the thing and zooms in on it, right? And then he looked at it and he was blown away. He said that it was completely jet black and it had oily skin.

So he picks up his rifle, looks through the scope, all right, just look it through the scope, sees then that this thing has this long black hair all over it, oily, oily skin, and then he sees something move to the right or to the left of the big foot, which is the right of him, right, to his right, to the left of the big foot. And he pans his rifle over it, looks through it at the scope, and he said it is a huge black dog with a massive snout, huge pointy ears, black hair, and this thing is just nasty looking. He said the eyes of the Bigfoot actually looked orange and red, but with the black people in the center.

So they weren't glowing or anything, but they were orange and red. And there's another account in the New Orleans area of a werewolf that has the same description of the eyes, and we're going to cover that one another time. I mean, that comes through in a lot of stories. The glowing eyes, I mean, maybe not quite glowing. Maybe it's eye shine or, you know, from whatever lights or. but that comes through a lot in these stories. Yep.

And he said he definitely, you know, because it had like dreadlock looking things. He said it definitely had these huge eyes. So he said that the dog man though had a black snout and it was just massive. He said it really drove him nuts. He was absolutely terrified of what he saw. Did he mention a smell? Did it smell like farts or rotten eggs? You know, he didn't mention a smell, actually.

He said that as he was sitting there, this thing just sits here. and looks at him. And all of a sudden, it makes a grimace with its face. And he's like, what in the hell? And so at this point, it mindspeaks to him. And that's what they call a universal language. Have you ever been mind-spoke to? Not that I'm aware of.

Not by somebody who was good at it? No, definitely not by a dog man. Yeah. So he didn't know anything about telepathy or anything like that. He didn't know anything about mind-speak or anything, and he didn't understand any of this stuff before any of this. So what happened is that he froze And he was then told to put the gun down

He the dog man in his mind Telepathy said put the gun down Or I'm gonna come over there and tear that building up and kill you In his head dude And he's like, I froze He said I didn't know what to do At the same time he just froze with the gun But he didn't have his finger on the trigger or anything

And at the same time the Bigfoot turns to him And talks to it in his head But the Bigfoot made out contact with Scott, okay? And he says that he cannot explain this. But whenever it made eye contact with him, it did something to him. And it was like transferring information or something like that. He could hear the Bigfoot and dogman talking after the Bigfoot allegedly mind spoke,

transferred information to him. Talking to each other or talking to him? Talking to each other in his head. But it was only after this Bigfoot made this eye contact with him, like this intense Zoolander sort of look at him or something like this. Yeah, this blue steel. Now he can mind speak. Now he can hear all this stuff.

It's kind of like, what was that maybe? Ant Man when they had to drink the goo and then he could hear the language of all the people around him that spoke different languages. It's like this translator, but it's a mind speak translator. Yeah, so you can't blame the guy for freezing up and not knowing what to do. I mean, especially if you've never had that happen where somebody's talking to you in your mind, let alone some mythological creatures right in front of you and you're holding a gun. I would have a hard time not pulling the trigger and just dragging that bitch back and probably eating it. But you got to take pictures first so that, you know, with your potato camera, of course.

Of course. People know. Yeah. Well, and that's the interesting, too, that it maybe can be wounded because it told him not to shoot. It said, if you fire that gun, I'm going to come over there and tear that thing up and tear that building up and kill you. Now, does that mean that you might get one shot off, but you better kill me with it? And then that implies like a fear as well, sort of like the animal knows it. it can be wounded. Or implies that you can actually hurt it with the gun because there's tons of

reports where that's not possible. Skinwalker Ranch, the big dog, remember at the very beginning of that story, he shoots it like five times and it basically does nothing. It either goes through him, bounces off, or just does nothing, which infers, of course, this etheric element and this non-nuts and bolts idea. He may got a hold of some bath salts and PCP though. Yeah, he just didn't feel it. Right. Yeah. It is interesting, though, because it does imply that they can be harmed in a fear. And then it says, well, then are they ethereal? Or is this sort of a human that's shape shifted into a Rougaroo like we heard earlier can happen?

And now all of a sudden, it's a physical flesh and blood creature that's just hanging out with this Bigfoot buddy. You know, it's just out for a jaunt in the woods there. Yeah, they were just working out early in the morning. And all of a sudden this guy comes along with a gun. I'd be mad, too. I'd be talking, mind-speak to this guy. Hey, put the gun down, dude. We're just getting our steps in.

Try to get gains, man. What is this? Yeah. Getting swole, bro. Leave me alone. Do you think this jacked physique comes just from eating farmer's daughters? Hail, no. Comes from wood knocking.

I'm definitely. I didn't even on trees, but I picked out the double entendre that you intended for me to catch. And thank you for that. No, that was an accident. I'm glad it landed. Okay. Okay. So he said that after this, he could hear them talking to each other in his head, okay?

And so Bigfoot was arguing with this thing. And Bigfoot says to the dog man, he's not trying to kill you. He's not trying to hurt us. And he said, you know, don't say that to him, okay? Don't do it. And the dog man is going back and forth with him. And so he just started thinking, he's like, my finger's on the trigger. I'm not trying to kill you or hurt you.

I'm just looking at you. And so they're kind of just talking, you know, going back and forth. and this other audible voice says get out i instantly put the gun down and the phone in my pocket grab my backpack put it on and i just got out of there he said that he started moving but the whole time he's looking around he's got his finger basically on the trigger walking around looking looking looking and he's like okay and they followed him out uh the whole damn thing and he said that it was definitely more than one and more than two he was at least three or four of those things walking together really heavy and he could feel the steps as they were walking breaking the

brush and these trees as they're traips in the long like noisily like knocking shit over angrily as this like leading him out of the woods like yeah you better fucking go so uh the whole time he's looking back he's looking around and he's looking at them he's kind of looking behind him and in some cases uh he said look he gets this hard dick here and he goes look and man y'all y'all can kill me today but I promise you I'm going to take out at least two or three, you motherfuckers. So he had his one last word there before he went out. So he said that the creatures probably knew him and knew that he was in there, murk into other things, and just knew what that gun could do,

knew what he could do, and wanted to scare the piss out of him, and it worked. How many of these stories do you think end up not like this, where the guy didn't escape, and he decided to pull the trigger, didn't work, and then they murk him? Probably a lot. This is one of the few that we hear of, because he escaped apparently. Right.

And then, you know, the 411 of those responsible for some of the folks that either just ended up in the wrong place or wrong time. Maybe they got a dog man there that didn't have a Bigfoot interpreter and just took the guy out. Oh, yeah. That's 401-esque all day where all you end up finding is they're folded up clothes with their shoes on top on a stump. And you're like, this guy just went out hunting. Why would he take his clothes off and fold them up? It was the dog man and the Bigfoot, obviously, being nice. after they killed a guy in folding his clothes up for him.

They were raised well, absolutely. We live in a society. History solved, yes. So, I mean, it's really interesting because are these things indigenous to the area? Are they creatures at all? Is it some sort of psychosomatic thing, you know? And, of course, Alexander Petakov's done a lot of work on all of this kind of stuff, and he's just a great dude, too.

I'm sure we're going to cover some of his work. He did Bigfoot Beyond the Trail. You're familiar with his stuff? I don't think so. It's so cool. So there are other fascinating things, though, about Louisiana and the hidden wonders of this area. And Dr. Greg Little is featured in this film as well.

And this guy's been doing research into Native American mounds and archaeology since the 1980s. He did an article on the top 10 mound sites in the United States. There are several that are incredible. And when you think of burial mounds, what do you think of when you think of this? Like basically just a small conical hump? Yeah, so that's one of those ones that I hadn't, I mean, I've heard about a bunch, but I hadn't really given too much thought to. But the last couple years, I've heard a lot,

lot, lot of these popping up in different places. And they just kind of look like hills or, you know, little, again, mounds, but they end up digging them up. And it seems like there's a lot of regulations on just digging up a random mound, either because it's on, you know, reservation or federal property or whatever. I'm talking about in the states, of course,

but there it seems to be kind of a hurdle to get through to excavate these sites and figure out what's under them and we actually have a lot of that um it's actually called rolling hills uh down south like an hour south of where i live but yeah it's called rolling hills and there's all these mounds everywhere that just it could be hills sure but it also could be something buried under there i don't know i haven't looked into it that much it's fascinating and when you look at these things, there are several. So the way that these look is a conical hump, right? It kind of looks like an ice cream cone. And that's what the word conical means, right? It's curved. So they would lay the body in there and then just put dirt over it, and that's the idea. But what people don't get is that there's probably a million of these things in North America. And in the United States alone, probably a million. They're very, very old. And they've been here for a long time. A lot of those conical mounds are huge and extremely well. well-made chambers in them, like these massive stone chambers within these things. They're also

called mound platforms. And platform mounds are also truncated pyramids. And so they're usually like rectangular or square mounds or something like that. Sometimes they have a base of several hundred feet, like a square base of 200 to 300 feet. And they can go up to 60 or 70 feet high. Then on the top of those, they had temples or structures built on top of them. And then some of the elite in the tribe would stay in those things. But either way, they were. for the shaman and they were key and important for the folks in that area. There's Moundville, Alabama, for example, and this is one of the most important, one of the most important top five sites in the United States. It has 20 platforms arranged around this gigantic plaza. And the center

is this platform mound and all these others, and, you know, Dr. Little things that they were used for astrological alignments. And the shaman would go out there and look at them from the top of the mound, like across another at the distance, and then they could see sunrise and sunsets at equinoxes and things like this. So they watch stars from these things, star alignments, and we're used for various rituals. Yeah, it's bizarre. Like, who knows what they're actually, what they were used.

I mean, these are our thoughts on it, I guess, in retrospect, of what they were used for, but who knows? I mean, same with the pyramids. There's so many different ideas. You have Dr. Joseph Farrell thinking it was a, I think a weapon. He called it the Giza Death Star. And if you're interested in that,

look up the Giza Death Star by, Joseph Farrell. He, I mean, he makes a good case for it, but there's people that have, you know, supposedly debunked him or said, no, that's obviously not what it was. But I just think we don't know what these things are. And we just are stabbing in the dark trying to figure out what the hell they would have used these for and spent all that time, all the resources and the effort to build these structures, mounds, whatever. And we just kind of don't see why they would have. So we're left guessing and talking about it like we are today. It's really interesting. There's a guy named Adam Stokes, who's an author and a teacher in here who talks about as well, is that they're

basically evidence of metropolis cities that existed. You know, 1,500 years ago, these are the kind of epicenters of all these Native American cities in North America. And he thinks that a lot of the stuff going on with the mounds, mounds were the remains of ancient cities, like the Egyptian pyramids and things like that. But when you went back in ancient Egypt, there was a whole lot of buildings and towns and fortifications all around those pyramids that would have looked much different than they do today. And so with the same mounds here in North America, you could see that the epicenters around those mounds

and buildings were fortifications were basically small towns and even great-scale cities. And you can think of the things in South America that are buried in the jungle that they are using LIDAR to uncover. They're just these massive metropolis cities down there, these huge things that were never seen before. Yeah, and how much to believe of LIDAR, the ground penetrating radar,

I mean, Ben and Aaron covered the supposed underneath of the Great Pyramid at Giza a year or two ago. And it was in Italian, not French, but there's been so many people that have come out and kind of looked at these data points that the Italians were looking at when they supposedly did these ground penetrating radar or LiDAR or whatever. And going, okay, there are these structures, but the CGI that were given doesn't look. it's not necessarily what that is. So what, there is something there, but what are we looking at? And why would there be these spiral structures underneath the pyramids? Like, how much do we believe of that? And why is this not more well known?

I mean, you could blame, what's his name, Hawass, or whatever his name is, the Egyptian guy. Zashi Hawass. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's gatekeeper for sure. And he's just, he's sticking to the script with, you know, narrative history. So a lot of these things I don't think we'll ever find out, but we can maintain hope that maybe somebody, some rogue agent will come forward and squeak something through and we can actually figure out what's going on. We've got a great ally in Larry Paul, the president of the American Pyramid Association. You guys check him out, Larry Paul, P-H-A-P-A-H-L, yes. And just a really cool guy.

He's doing some amazing stuff over there, working with Robert Grant, things like that. We will do our first Mysterious Universe expedition tour with this. guy. He's that cool. So Dr. Little comes by and gives us a little bit of a framework for the timeline on all of this stuff. So geometric earthworks were built roughly around 500 to 600 BC, somewhere in there, up to 200 to 300 AD. So there's a time frame of about 700 to 800 to 800 years in there in the Hopewell area. Virtually all of those were used for some sort of rituals. So a long time ago, mound building around began around 3,000 BC. And so they said that the time, the mounds started in the northeast and up below the Great Lakes in Michigan and Minnesota,

and then it started about 3,000 years ago, and then it changed. And then they said that mound building began in Ohio, around the same time around 3,000 years with the adenic culture. Then they started finding mounds in Louisiana, poverty point, for example, that's dated back to 800 BC. So for some time, poverty point seemed to be some sort of outlier, that it began mound building in the United States. So these things have been here for a very long time. And again, what they're used for is just pure speculation on our point for the most part, because some could say that they may, some of these things are probably built on older sites like we find with Lebanon, Balback, and all these other places where they just took these places on either grid lines or where there was

already things established there and then just built new on top of it. And this happens all over the place. And lay lines are a weird thing or grid lines, whatever you want to call them, because they're, they are recognized somewhat by mainstream as, I mean, the latitude lines or whatever they're called, but they, when you talk about them as lay lines or as energetic points, that's where you lose the mainstream. That's where they go. That's BS. They're not, you know, energetic or whatever. Then you look at how many places are built on these exact lines. And it's like, well, they were on to something. I mean, they knew something because why would they, they put these exactly on those lines all over the world. It's not just in one area. If you look at the map of laylines and how many like significant structures are built on these lines, it's beyond the probability of chance. So there's something there that we're missing. Absolutely. There, there is got to be something there that we are missing. And so they say then here that for a long time South America, the report was is that there was no interest in South American archaeology.

and the oldest mound ever found down there was 8,400 BC to 10,400 years ago, which is absolutely bizarre because there's a ton of interest that needs to be involved in that. So in 2022, in June, eight geologists and anthropologists that joined together, were that of a couple of archaeologists as well in this group, did research on the site at Louisiana State University. And he shows a shot of these mounds in the film, and it's two huge hills with this, like, shitty chain-length fence around it, right there on campus, man. So they go into these two things that are just surrounded by the

shitty chain link fence. And he said that there's some of the earliest mounds dated in North America. It's started 9,300 BC. People think that the pyramids in mound building began in Egypt, but it's totally untrue. Mound building in Egypt predates the pyramids. And all the Egyptian textbooks in Egyptology that mound building was the prototype of the Egyptian pyramids, even confirmed that. So the oldest known mound in Egypt dates back to, some 3,200 years ago BC, and that's the oldest mound known for the Egypt dates about 5,000 BC, and that's in Abados. So that's it. It's roughly about 5,000 years more recent than the mounds here. The older mounds in Turkey, Turkey and the southeast in Turkey, were probably a civilization that

now began at least the civilization that we call a civilization, more modern one. It dates to about 5,000 BC. And it's actually not too far from the side of Gobeckli-Tipe, which you may have heard of as well. And that's what, 12.5,000 years, so they say? Yeah, he talks about 9,000, but somewhere in there. I know that these datings are very tricky and hard to do, but he's talking about the difference that Gobeckle-Tepi is on a mound. It was intentionally buried, you know, sort of like Darren Kuyu, right, as well, one of these tunnel cities that was just buried.

And people always fail to mention that there's so many pyramids, like I said, with the laylines all across the world. And most people, the normies, as we'll call them, that don't. don't look into this alternative view of things, don't realize that there are pyramids all over the world, even in Antarctica. Yes. What is that? I mean, it's not just the Egyptians. They're known for the big ones, you know, the big-ass stones.

And I know Ben and Aaron got into the geopolymer idea and that maybe these were cast and they weren't actually quarried from granite or whatever. But there's so many pyramids all over the world that you can't really overlook that. And if you're being intellectually honest as an academic or as a professional, why are you overlooking these intentionally? Because they're there. They're all over the place. They're all over. China, Bosnia, all over the place, man. And, yeah, I think that some folks are starting to get a little bit more access to these things and starting to get, you know, more buzz around it. Archaeologists cannot ignore this much longer. They're going to have to open that. Especially in the age of the internet. I mean, it's getting harder and harder to ignore alternative.

perspectives as we call these types of shows because there are things that we're missing that you're just glossing over and why are you doing that? This is where conspiracy theories form is because there's things out there that the mainstream is just either intentionally glossing over or just they have blinders on because of their view of history and how we're told it happened. So they're not looking into these alternative possibilities because it shakes up the very foundation of the history we're taught. then it's funny because you think of that, you know, all of this stuff is coming around so quickly

that really alternative is going to be the silly word for it very soon, just like all of these things. Oh, you think Kennedy was actually killed by, you know, Oswald, and you're crazy. That's the crazy perspective now. And I love that, man. I think we're right on the wave of that. Oh, it's coming. The Gen Z, maybe not Gen Z, maybe it's Gen Alpha, but my son's age group, so he's going to be 14 here soon. but that age group, they're not buying into this mainstream narrative on like almost anything.

And it could just be the rebellious nature of a new generation where they're like, I don't believe anything I'm told. Good. Don't. Look into it. Prove it to yourself. Prove it to the world. You have access to the internet.

You have TikTok. You have all this stuff. And there's a lot of garbage out there. Don't get me wrong. Like you log into TikTok. I don't have TikTok. I know you send me links all the time. I can't open them.

Sorry, dude. But you have an account there. I sent him to the account you started. I do. I started an account and then I got- Joe will love this. I think the third video I posted got taken down because they said it was misinformation. I appealed and they were like, oh, actually, it's not misinformation. Like, oh, so all you have to do is just appeal it.

And then they're like, oh, shit, sorry, my bad. Yeah, you call them out on it. That's it. Yeah, because otherwise it's called tacit consent. And this is a good one to learn here, kids. Tacit consent is the word of the day there. And that is when you consent by not saying no. It's one of those, oh, I didn't know you weren't cool with that because you didn't say anything. And so therefore you consented.

And that is called tacit consent. Let's just be aware of it. And that's basically the world we live in is a world of tacit consent. We're taxed because we don't say bullshit. It is interesting when you start to challenge that which you are told. Like if you're told something and then you ask for it in writing, usually whatever you were asking for it appears in your hand immediately. It's fascinating. It's fascinating.

It's fascinating. Yeah. Hey, can you just put that in writing for me? Oh, actually, sir, we can do that for you. Oh, well, that's, that's silly. Just, you know, and what's the Gauthier quote? Freedom isn't free. The price of freedom is ever vigilance, right? And it's one of those trust but verify things. You know, just look around, guys. Ask you questions. We've talked about this. I think we did on either the last show or the last plus show. I don't remember. It's all a blur now, bro. But it's weird right now. Just, just looking into it and exploring these ideas and entertaining them without believing them is very important. and I can't stress that enough. It doesn't matter if you believe in them or if you agree with the viewpoint, look into it, then make up to your decision because you might find things that you didn't know before. Very probably you will find things you didn't know before that change your worldview in a pretty dramatic fashion.

And as long as you can keep that open mind and then use the discernment, yes, I got that word right. The first time, nailed it. Yes. Then the sound effects board. I know. I'm working on it. It's going to be a week or two. but I'll get you.

Insert awesome sound effect for Joe remembering that word here. Yes. In your brain, you can do it. That's right. So Greg Little points out in here that he has searched and searched and he cannot find any mounds in the world that predate the ones that are now at Louisiana State University. Again, with this very, very shittily, shabby, haphazardly put together chain-link fence around the thing. So he points out in here that Poverty Point,

according to mainstream archaeology began around the year 1800 to 1700 BC. So that would be about 38 to 3,700 years ago. So where it came from, they don't know. Although there was a very strong suspect that it came from the Olmec culture. Are you familiar with the Olmec statues and stuff that they found buried in South America, but they have the real wide African noses? Is that like Easter Island or are we talking about different things? We are talking about different things.

There's these huge heads and I wish we were on video. That's okay, guys. Look up Olmec statues, O-L-M-E-C. there's these massive statues found in the Yucatan Peninsula, part of Mexico. And these things are huge, but they're out of place for the people who were allegedly inhabiting that area the entire time. Unless maybe you look into the Moor theory and the Black people were here the entire time. And then actually, that's a fascinating one. Have you gone down that rabbit hole yet? Oh, the Moorish people. Yeah, that's a big one.

It would answer the Olmec thing, because they do find these huge statues. And folks have been digging these things up. And I mean, if you look at the images of these, whenever you see, them digging one up, I would be terrified by digging anything like this up, but you're digging it up and all of a sudden, boom, face. And it's huge, man. I mean, they're massive. Some of these, and it's just the head. And some, some are like six, seven feet tall above people standing on their feet. There's just this massive head that, again, the physical features of the statue itself do not reflect the people that were in the area at the time or have ever been there, allegedly. Yeah, according, this is where the mainstream diverges from these ideas.

is because you're like, according to your timeline and what you say was here, that doesn't make any sense at all that these statues would be here based on the, in my opinion, bullshit carbon dating, because there's a lot, there is a lot of problems with carbon 14 dating. And that's a different rabbit trail. You can go down yourself, go Google it. But there's a lot of problems with it. And the official timeline is wrought with inconsistent.

at least inconsistencies, but, or straight up lies. Again, for you to make up your own mind on. It's crazy. And then even Quetzalquattle, right? The great South American deity that came in on this flaming dragon was a white dude with a beard. So this Olmec culture begins structures very similar to the way that they did in Poverty Point. So Poverty Point was for a long time considered the first mound site in America. It just seemed to come from nowhere.

But it's still an anomaly. And it's very, very strange, he says in here. It's just been made more strange because these old mounds in Louisiana just don't make a lot of sense archaeology. And this is what you're talking about, man. If it doesn't make sense archaeologically, then what's wrong here? You know, did somebody come bury these things to test our faith in the archaeological model? Just old school trolling. They're like, we're going to bury these statues here just to fuck everybody's idea of what happened.

That's the Bill Hicks thing, you know? He was like, Christians bounce up to him and say, yeah, well, God created the earth in 6,000-year-old. Bill Hicks would be like, well, what about dinosaur bones? And he would say that they would go, well, God buried those here to test our faith. And he would honestly say, well, I think God put you here to test my faith, dude. That's the important part to take away from that. This is the point here that South America and this area are much older and very, very different than what this has been taught about. And again, this one film has all of this stuff in it, guys.

It's just rich with all of this. So check the links down below and check out a cult. Louisiana, Tobe, Roku, and Apple TV. Native American culture had many of these great mountain-building civilizations along the way, the Hopewell, the Adina, all of these things in North America, and they were left so that we could find them, you know, so that we could look around and go, wow, there was something here before us, and it's sort of like you get a lot of this new world stuff from the Old Testament and the Native American peoples, and they think that a lot of it, not only the culture, but there's giants involved here as well in the DNA.

and that giants retained a lot of the Native American culture. So natives have mentioned this before that the tallest and some of the tallest people that you could ever see in the world do not come from Africa, but they are Native Americans here in North America. And this is where Dr. Greg Little gets into our favorite historical institution, the Smithsonian.

What are your thoughts on the Smithsonian there, Joe? Oh, they're full of shit. In general. They're hiding some stuff, just like the Vatican. They're hiding stuff. So there were two reports, Dr. Greg Little points out here that the Smithsonian did in 1894, and he says it he thinks the other one's 1887, where the Smithsonian did their mound survey project. Smithsonian dug into two to three thousand mounds trying to find the origin of the mound builders. And that's why they did this project.

And in the reports, the Smithsonian had these findings of 17 large skeletons between seven feet and the tall, one was 7 feet 8 inches in height. And since that time, the Smithsonian and other archaeologists published for the Hay Foundation and the Cardigee Institute for the Harvard Institute and many other mainstream publications that they found 15 to 20 very large skeletons, anywhere from 6 feet, 7 inches and height to 7 feet and a 7 and a half feet tall. So this is where the, that's as big as the mainstream reports get. But there are hundreds to a couple of thousand newspaper articles that of course claim that skeletons in 10 and 12 feet height increments have been found. So this Clarence Bloomfield Moore, who dug into over 3,000 mounds himself.

He took a shovel out to these things and hit them, more than the Smithsonian did in their entire mound building project, by the way. This guy did himself. And his goal was to dig into every single mound along the rivers of the entire southeast. And he spent 30 years doing this shit. He was also looking for giant skeletons. And all these skeletons with no exceptions that were reported by mainstream marketing. geologists came from the adena area mounds. With statistical analysis, they showed that there were way, way more of these giant skeletons out of the adena mounds to account for the population.

There were just two goddamn many of them. Their rulers were these tall people that believe that the population of Denisovians came in around 11,000 to 15,000 years ago, and that the population was originally called the Sultrines, and that they were in France, in Portugal, and Spain, around 20,000 B.C. So then Tony Merkel in here talks about giants. And we love Tony, by the way. Confessionals podcast, guys, if you have not heard it, check it out. He is awesome. Love you, Tony. He's done a lot of great documentaries and all kinds of stuff, too. He talks about sightings of giants. And there's a friend of his that's dark waters on the show. And he said that probably a year and a half to two years ago, that he said that he was down in New Orleans. And he said that there was a big storm that went

through it and opened up part of the swamps that people hadn't been able to get to with their boats for a while. He said that he was talking to a fisherman who went into the swamps and that they were going to this new area and he saw a very tall humanoid being. He said the thing was so tall, it was looking over the trees at him. Then he said that the guy came back and that they were reporting stuff like that they were never going back again. He said, so what's that? Are there giant human beings that exist out there? It's amazing. And then the stories of the Smithsonian dumping artifacts over ships as, you know, crew woke up, scientists would wake up in the middle of the night and walk outside that this sound of splashing and all of their research that they just went and dug out of

these hills was being pitched into the sea by the Smithsonian representatives. So let's come back to Scott's story in here because Scott Pace has more experiences that they come into later in the film. And again, guys, can't recommend this film. And if it has all of this in it, this is one film here, and I'm just touching on a few light points of it here. So Scott said that after that event with the Bigfoot and Dogman, they started talking to him. And in the end, they would come at different time. He would get this high-pitched noise in his ear, and he would start talking to him. Sometimes he would have a hard time comprehending all this stuff at first.

And then he would said, well, this stuff doesn't work like everything that you believe. And then he said, well, it's not what you believe at all. If you're willing to accept it, it's really, really cool. Whenever the Bigfoot looked into his eyes, something came from him. And this was that sweet blue steel that he shot the guy in the woods, and then he was able to hear that mind-speak business. it came into his personal belief here, Scots, that the Bigfoot and the dogmen are not of this world.

They're not of earth. And they were brought here. He is the idea of that they're very different. They don't live like we do. We live in family units and they can communicate with each other. But it's a lot through mindspeak and telepathies and stuff like that. So Scott says that some people see them and some people don't. And he thinks that they're in trees.

He means that they're all around us all the time. but they have the ability to cloak or be invisible. So maybe some mini bigfoots. Do you think they have midget bigfoots that could have been hunting Dion down? I don't see why not. I don't see why not. It makes sense. It would make any less sense than anything else.

After his encounter and everything like that, he started reaching out to a couple of people just because he was very curious now after this. And one of the guys he reached out to, he became really good friends with. And he was this American Indian guy. So started talking to him. And over the years, the dude said the,

that he kept inviting him out. He goes, look, Scott, you've got to come with me and you've got to see these things. And so they set a time with him in October and he was able to go. So it's in Macy, Nebraska. They had a little camper there. They stayed the night. And he remembers that the wind is howling and that it was freezing cold. He said it was like in the low 30s. His friend went outside and then came back and opened the door and he said, Scotty, come here. I want to show you something. and he stepped out and he said, have you ever seen eye shine before? Do you know what that is?

Atactam looked in that eye shine? Oh yeah, that's what you were talking about earlier with the orange or reddish look to their eyes. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And so he said as soon as he stepped out of the campter, he looked out and about 10 feet off the ground, there was a dark figure.

Then it began to see the eyes. And he said that they looked like kaleidoscopes, that they were just turning, you know, like tubes and kaleidoscopes. so he locks eyes with this thing and he said that there was this prism that went from the thing's eyes to him and then back to the thing

and it kept going back and forth from his eyes to there. I want to know what kind of peyote they were doing. He says it locked eyes with him that he was either thinking that it was trying to read his life or something or get in tune with him or something. And then that was it.

The next night he didn't sleep, he couldn't sleep. So his brother Derek asked him if he wanted to go to this different spot called the Hard Knocks. And so they go out to this place. He said that there was, there was no noise out there whatsoever, that there were no crickets, no critters, no birds,

nothing. He said, you couldn't hear anything. He said, all of a sudden, we see a magenta light come down. The way he describes it is that it's like this purple or dark pink color, magenta. I'm very familiar with magenta because I had email in the late 90s, and that's what you use as your background. Magenta background and neon green font. I don't know why we did that. Nobody does to this day. He said that all of this sudden, this light came in. And he said that all he can describe it is as a light person, a light beam. And this person comes down and just starts walking straight out of the light beam as if it's nothing right in front of the truck.

So they stopped the truck and they're all looking at this thing. They hesitate for a second and then continue down the hill. This thing went down. And he said that they were sitting in the truck and they were just silent. He said nobody was hardly breathing. Everything was very, very quiet for them. They didn't say shit. He then starts thinking in his mind.

he's actually asked for peace with these things. He didn't want to hurt him. He never points a gun at them. They come right up to him. He's had some things happen recently and it's just really picked up, like really picked up, as if the Bigfoot's a dogman and then he meets a guy that takes him out to Nebraska that then a light bean comes out of, that then this kaleidoscope, eye shine thing happened the night before he couldn't sleep because of it. He says that he's had visitations and stuff and he doesn't know what it is. He doesn't know if they come and pick him up and use him for something, but Right after they come back, he is very, very disoriented. He said that they took him what was like on the weekend and all this stuff was going on,

and his sinuses were really, really messed up. And then he blew his nose and there was this real fine sand type of stuff that came out of it after one of these encounters. Gross. Yes. And he also had some markings on his leg, like these three pinpoint markings on his leg the next morning that were not there the night before. So he thinks of what happened is they came and got him. They went somewhere. He does not know where it is at.

He didn't know if it was on another planet, still on Earth or whatever. He can tell you what it looked like because he still remembers that. He said that they were in a big, old tunnel, like a real huge tunnel. And on all sides of the tunnel was carved out of rock.

And each side, there were columns all the way down it. He says that they walked a long way down the tunnel and that there was this light inside of the tunnel. Like, not like this regular light. It wasn't an iridescent light or anything like that. But it was, a light that they could see, but it was the whole way in there. And he couldn't see the source of the light or anything like that.

And there was no noise, except that they were, the noise that they were making when they were walking. What strange is, who was with him at the time? There was a Sasquatch person with him. There was an insecticide, and there was some bigger grays that were with him as well. Not the small ones, the big ones, he clarifies. Everybody was taller than him. So he was sort of the run to the bunch of this rag-tag group of folks here. So they kept walking down this thing.

It would kind of, you can call it a hallway or a corridor or whatever. And so he came to this one spot in it where there was a sarcophagus and it was black. It was like jet black and made it some kind of stone. Where there the Sasquatch went over there and he picked up the lid and moved it over a little bit and told me to get inside. Now, Joe, would you hop in a black sarcophagus in a column line tunnel that a Bigfoot asks you to get into? I guess it's, the context is relevant here, but in general, as a general rule, no, absolutely not. I think that's good boundaries. I would have either empty, like, mag dumped into this or GTFOed by then.

I'm not even getting that question because I'm not going, I'm not doing that. So he says he couldn't hardly get up there. So he climbed up and the little big foot helped him up inside, which was very sweet. And then when he got down in there or whatever, he said it had long fingers and because he had seen the fingers come up the way they were trying to hold him, and he remembers trying to get out of it. And he said to help him get out and come on here, this thing's got me, don't let me go. Now, remember, grab me on my leg and actually punctured my leg.

Now, this thing was in the sarcophagus, so this big foot tried to get him into. The next thing, he remembered that he was waking up the next morning, and something was touching his back, like the back of his leg. Creepy. He said, and it was sitting on him in bed. He said his sinuses were so giant, like something was. in it, like when he blew it again in the next morning, it was just red, orange-looking color. Go to the doctor.

Yes. Wasn't a researcher at the time, but you watched YouTube videos and stuff like that and shows, and finding out that Bigfoot, you know, had heard some things in the woods and seen some things, and it's supernatural things, like forest people and all that kind of good stuff. So he didn't believe they're from Earth. He actually thinks that they've been here for a long time, and the amazing thing is that they are able to cloak and go invisible. So now you see them, now you don't. He said that at night, whenever you look at these things, it's just a black shadow.

You don't see like the hair or any definition in these or whatever. You just see a very dark, like darker than dark shadow. People with abilities can see them. And he said that they are entities with abilities. So maybe you just leave them alone. And that's his belief 100% is that they are from another planet they were brought here some other time. What do you think about that? Bigfoot from another planet.

that's the exclusive option we have. Not at all. Not in my mind. I like the idea that he's a... What is it called from Star Wars? Fuck. The Bigfoot from Star Wars. What's his name?

Chewy. Yeah. I like the idea that, yeah, that he's... That Bigfoot is from a different planet or something like that. But it goes back far enough in lore and Native American mythology and these kind of things that it makes me think it's not

from a different planet. It's either native to the earth or it's interdimensional. And I like that idea. I've mentioned it a bunch and you're going to get sick of me saying this, but I think that these things are one foot in, one foot out. They're, I don't, I don't personally like the idea that they're from a different planet as we know it. That doesn't make logical sense to me that they've either whether it was millions of years or thousands of years or whatever and they've come here from different planets and they just set up shop here and they're getting around in the woods that doesn't make as much sense to me is that they're living in a parallel like phase i don't know it the interdimensional thing is so overplayed at this point but that they're out of phase but

they can pop in when they need to find trees and pop through the portal when they need to and get the fuck out of here. I like that idea a lot better just for myself. So I don't think that Bigfoot or UFOs or and it could be a lot of, it could be a lot of everything. It could be also coming from another place or the gin idea or, and that kind of plays more to the interdimensional part of it, the gin thing. But for me, I would like to think that Bigfoot is just out of place and he pops in every once in a while, which makes sense. It's not the potato camera. It's because he's literally out of phase with this reality,

and he's jumping in, and whether that's time travel or current time, just out of phase, I don't know. There's not enough language, at least in English, to describe, but I think most people get what I'm going for here. Yeah, we're smelling what you're stepping in.

It's bizarre. It's absolutely bizarre. And then you think of things like the stone tape idea where all history happens in this area, but just at a different time, and allegedly under certain conditions or atmospherics, or even laylines, or even proximity with certain bloodlines, maybe, or if you have a certain stone in your pocket, you could see these things. And it's this idea that fascinates me, because then the idea is, is then do Bigfoot's get human ghosts and stuff like that? Do the dimensional realm see dead uses or stone tape versions of Uses just living our lives? And they're like,

what the fuck is this thing doing again? See, that's why it's interesting is like, is when Bigfoot jumps in and we can see him and he can see us, is it just as surprising for him? Yes. Where he doesn't realize that he's jumped through an anomalous zone? And he's like, what, what is this? What is this unhaired hominid that I've spotted? And then he goes and does a podcast about how he sees this elusive, hairless being in the

woods that just disappears. Who knows? Yeah, and he's like, guys, I stumbled through the craziest thing. It was two trees. I walked up one of these staircases in the woods. I know that you all told me not to. I walked up and there were these freaky pink hair. Hairless things over there. One of them shot at me with something, and it kind of heard it was really, really small weaners, too. Like, it was crazy. Embarrassingly small weaners.

It was cold. Yeah, it was cold out. Yeah, they looked cold. They didn't have any hair. It's this idea that I absolutely love. Man, it's kind of like, you know, you own an instrument. Let's say a guitar, okay? But when you play a song on it, it's got a life of its own, and those strings are occupied by your fingers doing things, manipulating them, and creating a certain frequency and pattern. and all of this. The same could be said for the next song that you play. It's not the same song. You have other options there, but you're on the same realm. You're in the same fretboard, for instance. It all occurs in the same geographical location,

but there are two completely different instances, right? And so perhaps our time here, you know, everyone's time here is just like a song on the fretboard of reality that you get your song here, and sometimes they kind of bleed over. Yeah. No, I love it. Trippy as shit, dude.

But movie's going to be linked down below, guys. So definitely check it out. Thank you so much for hanging out with me for this. There's so many cool things in this thing, and that's the reason I'd like to touch on it here and give you guys just a sample. And this is a taste. So definitely check out the link down below. Cannot thank Chris Matthew enough for existing, actually, in the realm. Again, this dude is awesome. Hung out with him a few times, married the guy for fuck's sake. And he is a blast and a sweetheart. In reality, he lives this stuff. And his love language is Bigfoot T-shirts. So if you'd like to send him a Bigfoot t-shirt, I'm sure that he would love that. And definitely check out his amazing show and his film's forbidden knowledge news. forbidden knowledge dot news. Yeah, I think you fucked that up at the beginning.

Did I? What's forbidden knowledge news. Dot net or something like that. Shit. All right, well, forbidden knowledge. dot news is his thing. So there you go.

And thank you guys for the faux pause. This is all still a little overwhelming if I'm a little honest as we're recording this shit. We're working on this being loose and light like we'd like it to be. Still a little stiff from my taste on my end. And this is me being very vulnerable here.

But thank you all for hanging out and sticking through the faux paws. Oh, one that I made in the extension was, I said that my China tour was 2009. That was actually my U.S. tour. China was 2007. There we go. Oh, see, you're just screwing shit up left and right.

It's one of these things, and I'm like a dog with a bone. When I say it, I'm like, okay, got it, and that's the thing. But two corrected there, there you go. So 2007 for the China tour, and thank y'all for your patience and listening and being awesome. I'm very excited about this plus extension and what we got going next. So what are we getting into again? So yeah, again, and thanks everybody for sticking it through with us.

I know it's going to be bumpy, like we've said. It is. It's just what it is. We're working through some technical difficulties. My computer decided to be an ass and just stop recording. There's so much that we're not telling you guys about what's going on. So to even get episodes out right now is fascinating at all. But just thank you guys again for the clunky nature and all this stuff.

It's just as interesting for us. It's MU2.0 garage band edition. and we're punk rocking it through this. But we'll figure it out and we will not stop. We can't stop. So for the plus extension, if you're on Plus, again, if you are not, mysterious universe.org forward slash plus. And again, sign up before the end of the year.

This is the last free show of this year. So this is your last chance. If you're hearing this, go sign up, get Ben and Aaron's new show if you miss them dearly like we do already. you can hear them with their new show coming in mid-February last I heard. But for the Plus extension, if you are on Plus, we are doing The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat by Oliver Sacks. And this book is chock full of weirdness. Let me tell you, it's neurological weirdness.

And like I said at the beginning of the show, I do have a couple caveats on these stories, but they are fascinating nonetheless. So besides the man who mistook his wife for a hat, we have the Lost Mariner and the disembodied woman coming up. And those are just three of the stories from this book that has a bunch. And I'll read off some more of the titles of those. But again, if you're on Plus, stick around for the good stuff after the break.

If not, we will see you all in about two weeks for the start of 2026. Very excited. Can't wait. Brandon, masterful job. Great job covering Chris's work. Hope we did it justice, Chris, because I know you're listening. And I guess that's about a wrap, right? Have a Merry Christmas, everybody, because that's what we say around here in America. America.

Did you have something else to say? I got one more thing, yes. And just again behind the curtain here, we had an awesome episode plan that we recorded with Laura Day, and we were going to cut clips of that. It was going to be amazing. It was production-wise over my head, and so we just didn't. I am going to shout her out and thank her for her time because we were looking forward to getting that out before the holiday because what she does is something called the 13 sacred nights. And I am going to link it down below, even though it's right here sandbagging at the end. Thank you, Laura. I'm going to link it down below so you guys can check it out. She created the system based on the old Germanic ways of how to enjoy the winter rather than getting wrapped up in commercialism. Okay. And that's why I'm slipping it in here to make sure anybody who wants to take us up on that without us being able to deliver the information ahead of. the time you still got time. You got time to get this, getting familiar with the practice. She's got

a lot of work out there that you can check out as well and alchemize this thing, perhaps, for you and your family as something to do rather than carb loading and drinking your ass off and running around to 12 Christmases and stuff like that. You know, nature kind of dies down and dulls down and takes it easy and recharges during the winter holidays. And it seems to look at us like we're silly as we run around hurried. And so it's an interesting practice. And, And I just cannot appreciate Laura for her time for sitting down with us. And just thank you, darling. We were not able to make it happen when we said that we would, but we will get to you next time.

And then also this occurs again for the Southern Hemisphere in June. So we may pick it up with her then for our Shreya family down there. Hell yeah. Again, appreciate everybody. And we hope you have the merriest of holidays. And when we come back in 2026, I will have finished my day job. And we will be able to hopefully figure out. some of these rough patch technical issues.

Dude, focus on the content, which is what we're here for. Again, thank you all so much. I'm telling you, you cannot, like, I don't know how to articulate what this is or what we've, you know, you know what we're doing, basically. Well, you know what it is, is that we do know what we're doing. It's like being a sketch artist being told, okay, now you're painting. And that's what it's like, honestly. It's a very new medium, but we're still artists.

And so we will dial this in, and we're here for the challenge. And again, guys, thanks so much. We really appreciate y'all. And Joe, thank you so much for hanging out. I cannot wait to get to this extension. So let's fucking do it, guys. Let's do it. We'll see you past the break.

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