Mysterious Universe - 35.01 - MU Podcast - BRB...Dying - The Science of NDE's

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

This week on MU we cover the great book by Dr. Jeffery Long, Evidence of the Afterlife: The Science of Near-Death Experiences. From a man collapsing in the ER and meeting God/Buddha/Jesus, to another that is electrocuted right out of his body, these stories are powerful examples of consciousness surviving the physical experience. Welcome to your Plus+ Extension! Smashing out of the holiday break and into another freaky story from Preston Dennett’s book,  “Inside UFOs - True accounts of contact.” Due to the story covered from this book on the last Plus+ episode with the story of Seaman Kevin and his, “out of this world” experiences, we still have more to say and another story on the topic of “Inside UFOs”. Adding more convulsion to the already deep mystery of this bizarre experience. Dr. Jeffery Long, Evidence of the Afterlife: The Science of Near-Death Experiences Inside UFOs | True Accounts of Contact | BY Preston Dennett  Preston Dennett’s YouTube LinkPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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How's it going, buddy? I am Brandon Thomas. I am with you. Not physically, but man emotionally and spiritually and mentally I'm here with you, Bubba. This is, and with all of you. Thank you for joining us. And so how was everybody's holiday? Hope everybody had a good Christmas, Hannaquanzica.

And, you know, the fake New Year, the Gregorian New Year. Yes, let's talk about this. Do you want to talk about it? Yeah, give them a heads up on this. Okay. So if you are chucking around happy New Year's at this time of year, the roll of the calendar from December, which means Deca, which is 10, into the new year, which is 2026, allegedly, then you are on what's called the Janus calendar. Okay, you're worshipping Janus worshipping heathens out there on the wrong timeline have been apprehended and it's just a skew. And that's no big deal.

Now, what's fascinating is when you look at it like this, if you think about it, September means seven. And then you follow it up. Yeah, you follow it on up there. And then it makes more sense. Plus, it's just a feeling thing with me. This, whenever I heard it, it made so much more sense to me. So I will wish you a Happy New Year, Good Sir, when it actually shifts over in late March, early April. Yes.

That's it. That's it. That's it. All of that aside. That's okay. But anyway, happy January. Do we do the MU Weather Report? I mean, we did.

We did that on the last plus episode. The weather's been the weather. But it has been weird as shit. We had an Australian Christmas out here in Texas. It's just been warm. And it's been nice. We usually do have a warmer, warmer this type time of year. Well, not warmer, but at least sunny.

And it's been just dumping rain, which, yes, we need the rain. I get it. But now I don't have to work out in it. So I'm actually a lot more stoked about the rain this year. And that has been the Emmy Weather Report. So what do you have coming up in plus? Oh, I guess I should kind of tell everybody what we're going to talk about today. This is, I'm going to be covering.

Well, it started with a book by Lois Wetzel about it, I don't have in front of me, but I ended up ditching that book because it wasn't great show material. But it was a, it was the seed that led me down this trail. We're going to be going down today, which is OBEs, NDE's in general. And this is this dude named Jeffrey Long. And it's a book called Evidence of the Afterlife, the Science of Near Death Experiences. And that was actually a seed, too, that led me to his site that has all these. great stories. It's a gold mine. If you're into near-death, OBE, that kind of thing, gold mine, and I'll give the, obviously, we'll link down to it in the show notes, but what do you have coming up on

Plus? Well, that's incredible. I'm looking forward to it. I mean, out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, these are some of the most fantastic and fabulous. A lot of, you know, it's got so much interest in it because we all die, allegedly. And so if you're thinking about it, this is an interesting thing for the human to go through experience and then come back, because it's not unlike psychedelic experiences or some of these other extra-dimensional type things that we encounter and talk about on this show. So coming up with the Plus extension, we have more inside UFOs. This is going to be true accounts of contact by Preston D-Train Dennett. Very excited about this. This is just another story I pulled out. It's 10 stories in this book.

This woman, Jill Wheeler, which is a pseudonym, obviously, because of all the freaky woo-o shit that happened to her. I'd change my name about it, too. It's wise. And it's crazy. And it goes down the deepest of darkest rabbit holes. She's just in her living room one moment is transported to this massive white domed, interred space, like a stadium. And it's got blue cubicles all over the place. But the weird thing is it had this real tough carpet on the ground of the UFO all over the inside stadium. And these blue cubicles everywhere, she was seated in one, sees a dude sitting across from her, and it's creepy. And then sees this huge alien. I'm not. going to spoil it, but definitely stick around for the plus extension. It goes deep and that's only one of the wild experiences that she had. A warehouse with shitty carpet and a bunch of cubicles sounds like she was either transported to hell or maybe an Indian scamming warehouse. Well, there's a nine-foot-tall red-haired alien there that had a cape. Okay, so Ginger, you know, Dr. Ginger Cape wraps her up in this thing. She's unable to move and this is like his move is to sedate these

wiggling monkeys that are screaming and tears. She said she's screaming and she could not, she could hear herself screaming but couldn't stop doing it. It's that traumatic for her. And this dude just was creepy, took some silver bells, did some magic, and then all of a sudden she's back in her room

and allegedly healed from some wild illnesses that she had, which we'll talk about. But it's an incredible story. There's some of those weirdest ones. I love those stories, though, the healed by UFOs or healed by aliens stories. That's where it takes you to,

oh, it's not all bad. Some of them are good. They just took this dude's cancer right out of his neck or whatever. You know, there's all kinds of those stories. Well, then you think she didn't report having any illnesses before any age of five. And then after 80 to age of five, she had some contact weird. Teddy bears coming out of the wall. We'll talk about it.

And I know. This one's really creepy. And then all of a sudden had all these health issues, fatigue, all this stuff. We're, again, getting to go deep into it. But it's the question I get is, are they writing wrongs that they wronged? You know, because some of the stories in Preston's other book, healing UFOs. One of the cases, the guy breaks his leg from running

because he's scared of them appearing and scaring the shit out of him, so he runs and breaks his leg, but then they take him on board and heal the leg. But technically it's sort of the matrix idea that the Oracle says, don't worry about the vase. He wouldn't have broken his leg had they not scared the shit out of this guy, right? And so the question is, are they writing wrongs?

Are they healing illnesses and dis-ease that they implanted into these individuals along the timeline? And, man, are they just experiments? Do they not care, right? it seems like they're pretty apathetic. This one, and she says, when he looked at her, he just goes, all right, it's your turn.

And just very cold, very just like a lab rat. Like you'd say to something very, oh, very clinical, man. It's just creepy. The whole thing, the size, she's a very unhuman. She describes his features. It's an amazing story. So definitely check the links down below, guys, and sign up for Plus. We're going to have Preston's Book Link down there as well.

And yeah, it's just check it out. It's an incredible story. And definitely check out the last plus extension, or the last plus. episode, season 33, episode one, where we go into the first story in this book. Dude, it's wild. The whole time. Great stories. Awesome. Great artwork, too. Well done on the artwork for that show. Oh, it's fun, man. This has been such a cool thing because, yes, you do the shows, but we're learning how to create the artwork as well and the music and all that fun stuff too. All that fun back-end stuff that nobody, most people that listen to podcasts don't even know goes

into doing one hour of a show. It's a lot. I didn't realize it either. Oh, it's a ton, guys. And to make this quality, like what you are hearing of this voice right now and how it sounds and how it performs, how it touches your soul.

That takes a lot of work. It takes a lot of stuff to run it through to get it to sound like that. I don't just walk around sounding like this butter. It's close. You know, we're not polishing turds here, but it definitely does a lot. All right.

Well, let's get into this. This is, again, evidence of the afterlife, the science of near-death experiences by Jeffrey Long, MD, with another dude named Paul Perry. So this is published in 2010, and I apologize if somebody's already covered this before, but I had never heard of it. Oddly, because I loved these subjects. But the, so what started me on this is I had a book in my audible library by Lois Wetzel. Again, I can't remember what it was called. But I'll find it and link it in the show. notes, but I started listening to it and realized it was kind of not show fodder because she

actually does readings for people. So it wasn't like firsthand accounts of people's like past lives or anything. It was her going into a trance state and being like, this is why you're with this guy right now or whatever, not great stories. So then I started looking around and found this book. And this guy goes into NDE's and, you know, know, afterlife stuff in a real scientific way, which is great because he, I mean, it's measurable, you know, all the scientific method that goes into it. And, uh, but really stuck out. So I'm going to get into a little bit of this book at the beginning here and just tell you how they, kind of how, how he approaches it. And everybody that sends in one of these accounts is required

to fill out like a hundred question survey. And that, was cool to me because then they can kind of categorize and, you know, find similarities between all these stories. And whether they're, whether they are verifiable or not is, yeah, I mean, some of them are. How do you verify any of this stuff? You know, it's like a psychedelic experience. How are you going to tell somebody else what their experience of something was? You could point someone to the same patch of woods and you could say, look at this woods and draw it, just to the best of your ability. And even to describe it, even if you showed them two pictures of woods, one was a place they were in and one wouldn't. I don't know how many people could actually do it.

And it's, I mean, I guess you could call it anecdotal science. Nice. Jeffrey started this website called Enderf, N-D-E-N-D-E-R-F.org. Enderf, Enderf, the Near Death Experience Research Foundation. And at the time of the books publishing, they had about a thousand cases. And I was like, oh, perfect. That's plenty of stuff to sift through for the show. but this is also back in 2010. And his research actually goes back to 1998. He built off of the work of Dr. Raymond Moody in his book Life After Life, which was published in 1975.

Which I was not impressed by, by the way. He's like the Bob Dylan of indie e-books in my mind. Very overrated, I think. I know it was foundational and I get it, but the stories in there I don't feel were that crazy. Like I feel like Dr. E. The Fury's The Unquiet Dead was like more compelling to me, just the way it was written and things like that.

And that's just a personal opinion. Shots fired. That's fine. Send your hate emails. I'm not reading him anyway. I was going to say he's dead, right? It doesn't matter. He's a lot.

I'd say to his face in cursive right now. Well, they have, now they're going on well over 5,000 cases on this site. And that's when I went, oh, I have my work cut out for me. I'm going to be in front of this computer all day looking through all these stories. And the newest one as of yesterday was actually from December 31st just a few days ago. Really? And it's not all of them are, you know, accounts that just happened. It's just, they're just reported to this site. So a lot of those stories I'll be covering are actually from, I think one's from 84, ones from 2011. So they kind of go all over, but they're recent additions to this site. So I thought that was cool. do you know how excited I got about it we're you know just a few days into January here and I'm like

damn that was fast and then in my mind thought about it and I'm like well they probably didn't have it that quickly you probably didn't do it and then you're sitting there in the hospital and you know on the website typing up your story as you're doing this it probably got home integrated reflected healed and then was like ah I should probably share this with someone yeah no and I'm glad that we can bring this out to people if any of the listeners have had any of these you know experiences don't email us put them on this site. And I'm just going to go over a couple of the questions from the survey. Yeah, put them on the site and then send us a link to your posting on the site. And we'll check that out. Yes. So he starts out with kind of defining what an NDE is. And really simply, there's no widely accepted definition because it's, you know, pseudoscience or freaky woo-woo.

He describes it as events that take place as a person is dying or indeed is already clinically dead. which makes sense. Okay. He kind of expands on it a little bit with calling it a lucid experience associated with perceived consciousness apart from the body occurring at the time of actual or threatened imminent death. Damn. So Ender took a pretty straightforward approach by defining both the near death and experience components. The NDEers were generally unconscious and often clinically dead, no heartbeat, no breathing. cases studied had to occur at the time they were near death and had to be lucid.

So they're excluding descriptions that are fragmented or disorganized. So they want a narrative. They want to be like, no, from A to Z what happened? Not this, like somebody telling a dream. I was in this mall, but it wasn't really a mall. And then there was this dog, but it wasn't exactly a dog, you know, that kind of thing. So they kind of weeded those out. Yeah, very helpful, ma'am. Thank you.

So, yeah, these studies, like I said earlier, they complete a hundred question survey so they can better categorize and organize the varying events in defining aspects. And obviously no two NDE's are identical, but when you get this massive of a collection of cases, there's a common set of patterns that start forming. And they often start occurring in consistent in almost predictable order. I don't know if it's just Jeffrey, but he says researchers in general have concluded that most cases include some or all of these. following 12 elements, which is the OBE is number one, out of body, heightened senses, intense and generally positive emotions and feelings, passing into or through a tunnel, encountering a mystical or brilliant light, encountering other beings, either mystical or deceased relatives or friends, a sense of alteration of time and space, a life review, the classic life flashing

before your eyes. Yeah, looking forward to that. What are you going to ask in your life review? I want to know how many times I've farted in this one. I don't know if you get a choice. Well, I would think you could key search it, right? You could go farts, how many? And they go, oh, $8 million. Just like asking chat GBT. Exactly. Yeah, asking post-life G-PT. What was chat? Chat G-O-D. The ultimate. And then number, I don't have them numbered, actually, but encountering unworldly or heavenly realms, obtaining quote unquote special knowledge, encountering a boundary or barrier,

and lastly, returning to the physical body either voluntarily or involuntarily. Yeah. So like I said, he approaches it pretty clinically and a lot of it's really dry and its stats and percentages. So I'm going to leave most of those out,

but I thought it was interesting to include a couple of them here. The OBE being one of the higher percentages of yes when in this original study that they're basing these these numbers on are from 613 of these cases and so he says often the first element of an NDE is an OBE or hearing or seeing things that should be impossible you're clinically dead no heartbeat but you can hear the conversations of doctors and nurses two rooms down or the classic story that I always loved this one always stuck out to me is the guy that floated up through the ceiling when he coded and saw the shoes on the roof.

When he got back into his body, he told the doctors that, he's like, why are there shoes on the roof of the hospital? And they're like, there's no way you could know that. You've been dead in this room for the last, you know, 20 minutes or whatever. And they went up there and found shoes. So whether you think that's a veridical account or not, it's still interesting, anecdotal as it may be. And there are a ton of them.

The woman who knew what colored the surgeon's pen was, even though she never saw the pen. Like his gold pen and floated above his bed. body, all of these wild stories. And biolocating is a weird one man, the sound of body experience, because technically your physical body is in one place, but your consciousness is now seeing that physical body somewhere else. Like we talked about in the last plus show with the guy that's floating off on the UFO, but he sees himself shaking the shoulder of the guy trying to get him to look at the UFO he's on. What's going on with this? Are there multiple experiences that are available to

us? And this is showing you that, meaning that your physical body is just one sort of anchor to a realm. And really, once you discard this, there's been this thing that's been running it the whole time. You're just now only that thing because you outgrew the shell, the car. You know, you're getting a new vehicle, whatever. Right. Meat vehicle. Yeah, meat suit. Yeah.

So out of all of these, the OBE was a 75.4% yes, that they left their physical body, which is startling. If that's ever happened to you, I imagine it is startling. The second one was 74.4% reported height. and senses. And obviously our vocabulary kind of fails to describe colors that don't exist. So how do you describe that? But crystal clear, you know, 25K vision, a lot of things that come up are it was more real than real. And I don't, I mean, I've had pretty lucid, realistic dreams, but I would never say there are more real than real. So that's something I can't really wrap my head around either. And you hear that so much. They're like, oh, there are colors that don't exist.

How do you describe the color red to a blind person? It would be the same type of idea. Or like to you, you have to take our word for it, that red is what we say it is, because you have that red-green thing. Oh, that's right, yeah. See, you can even see colors. And even on that spectrum, like there's a spectrum, right? I'm not going to outlive that one.

We, you know, we bring it up because it's relevant. It's important, you know, for the narrative to let folks know that even with your disability, you're still able to, you know, function like normal. I'm going to have to put that on my next job out. application. I am technically disabled. And I also identify as black. So hire me. The last two that I'm going to mention is the intense emotions. And they say that this is one of the harder ones to explain because again, words don't come close to relaying the actual feeling. But over and over again, you hear this total unconditional, all-encompassing love. And also compassion,

peace, warmth, safety, belonging, understanding, and joy. Just, incredible feelings of peace and pleasantness. Just overall, it was great. Which is what an Arkhan would try and flood you with if they were suckering you back into coming into this bitch again. And that was at a 76.2% of these people surveyed said that that's what they experienced. And then a little lower, 33.8% said they passed into a tunnel or enclosure. And so we're going to start out with the first story here. This is from, these are all anonymous from what I can tell.

so they'll say the first name in the last initial, but this is from Jene B, and this is one of the newer ones that was just reported, but it happened in January of 2000. So Jenae is pregnant. She's laying in the labor delivery unit and preparing to pop one of these kids out. The anesthesiologist comes in to give her the epidural,

but he kind of screwed up and didn't realize that she had allergies and extreme sensitivity to medication, and as soon as he inserts the needle, it struck her spinal column and one of her legs just jerked violently upward, which would be hilarious if you weren't, you know, pregnant. Yeah, if you Jean-Claude Van Damme your doctor, you know, across the room, that's great. So she says it shot through her body like an electric shock.

She's trying to ask the nurse what happened, and she's all dazed, and the nurse is like, hey, just stay still, don't move. It's not on Jackie Chan. And then right after that, it says she believed another medication was injected. So I don't know if it actually was or if she was just kind of high. But she became very lightheaded and nauseous and told the nurse. And so they turned her onto her side. And all of a sudden, the heart monitor just speeds up and then slows down.

And she could hear all this frantic movement. It was like chaos in the room. The doctor's shouting that her blood pressure was dropping. I think they said it was like 30 over nothing. Which is not good for blood pressure. No. And that they were losing her, which is not a good thing to say when the patient is right there. Yeah, could you have a code word or something?

Like penguin fart or something? You don't have to say, we're not losing her. She's fucking dying. As I'm still conscious. Even saying code blue or everybody knows what that is at this point. Yeah, pick a different one of the day. Like code word of the day. Put it on a board outside.

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Yeah, but you got to do it calmly because then you're going to know what Saspirilla means anyway. That's right. Sassparilla. Yeah, yelling at each other. Hmm, doctor. So she's fading out, fading to black. Her blood pressure has fallen to almost nothing. And her final conscious thought that she remembers was of her unborn child.

And she just, in her mind says, I'll see you on the other side. Then just black. Fades to black. So she kind of came to, so to speak, and she remembers leaving her body and seeing it lying on the hospital bed, which is unsettling. I would imagine. Yeah. I've also heard of NDE cases where they'll say that they saw their body laying there, but they felt as if it was just a pile of clothes that they had taken off from the day and discarded in the hamper. Like it wasn't a big deal at all. They had no emotional ties to it whatsoever.

So it kind of, I think that's the purpose of the surveys, because they're kind of trying to figure out people's, feelings about, and a lot of people are totally unattached and are stoked to leave their body. I'm sure some people more than others, but then other people are just freaked out. And it's probably people that don't look into these topics. I feel like if I left my body, I would be like, oh, I know exactly what's happening. I've read tons of stories. Yeah, you've got some heads up for sure. So she leaves this glorious hospital bed, and it's traded out for, she's standing in a, like a

breathtaking park, you know, rolling hills, luscious shrubberies and grass and trees, even sidewalks and flowers. And again, this comes up glowing with impossibly vivid color. Yeah. The air was peaceful. The birds, you know, saying unlike anything she'd ever heard, everything radiated beauty and calm beyond description, the classic, you know, idea of these NDEs. And then she noticed a woman was standing next to her, just speaking gently.

But she wasn't really, she said, She recognized her, but she couldn't place how she knew her, kind of like in a dream, you know. Yeah. Then she realized, oh, that's my grandma, who had died decades earlier at the ripe old age of 55, but she was appearing as a young woman, maybe about 18 years old. But she was still not really paying attention to her grandma just blathering on. She's like, hey, this is my NDE. Can you not talk to me right now? Not now, grandma.

She was overwhelmed by the scenery. There's people. She says there's angels singing. I mean, so for most people, you'd be like, oh, you went to heaven. That's our description of heaven kind of, right? Well, it seems a little overstimulating. I wouldn't want that kind of heaven. You show up like an arrival to Hawaii, and you're getting like lays thrown on your neck.

Your grandma's showing up. You're like, dude, I just got here. What's going on? Oh, if I go to heaven and there's people, I know I'm actually, I actually went to hell. Because when I go to heaven, I don't want there to be people. It's a nice forest. there's dogs everywhere and it's great. Nice and quiet.

Nice and quiet. That's right. So then she's out of the corner of her eye. She noticed her sister and her sister had died in infancy. So how she recognized her, I don't know. But her sister is walking towards her carrying her son. And all of a sudden she's paying attention to her grandma saying, she's bringing your baby to you.

And that was the first moment she was like, oh, okay, wait, I got to pay attention. So her sister who died in infancy is carrying her unborn child to her in this astral or whatever state and her grandma's like, hey, pay attention. You don't have a Virgil, you don't have somebody narrating this for you, like, hey, heads up,

this crazy relationships that you know. It's almost, and I'm just going to say this just for the sake of it, the archons just sort of cram in all this stuff that they know aren't present on the other side but that you would like maybe, you know, and then project all this kind of stuff. And then it's almost antiquated.

It's sort of like some of the UFO stories we hear about they took a guy to his house, but it was years and decades in the past. It's sort of this temporal thing based on an algorithm almost, almost like a screen memory, right? Almost like they can project any version of anything that they want to you and also make you feel that it's any entity that they want to or that it's appearing as something.

It's just interesting, this whole mind-fuckery, even at the end here, it seems that you can't trust it. You've got to be on your guard almost. Yeah, it's like they're looking for whatever, would best influence you. Yes, it's like a time fear. A lot of times that's fear

and newsflash the government has figured that out. Best way to control you is fear. Huh. Hmm. You don't say. Yeah.

So, you know, is there anything actionable we can do about that, Joe? Not pay attention for the most part. Oh, disoblige that reality perhaps. Yeah.

Live our lives in our communities. So it says the singing grew louder. So these angels or the birds or whatever, and it's just surrounding her, and it was passing through her. And again, words fail with these types of things, but you can imagine it. And it felt as though it had become part of her. The voices saying, they kept singing over and over, he's coming, he's coming, he's coming. And she looked around trying to figure out who was coming. Her sister and son were now closer, perhaps 20 feet away, and yet she remained focused on the sound and the presence approaching.

And all of a sudden she's enveloped in this profound sense of love and peace. I need that sound drop. More complete, again, more complete than anything she'd ever known. For the first time in her life, she felt entirely at peace. And this presence stood beside her radiating that love. Instantly, she knew it was God, because that's how humans immediately, you know, think, oh, it must be God. That's G. She did feel humbled, grateful, and overwhelmed.

and her sister and her unborn son are still coming closer and closer, both near and strangely distant at the same time. And then this voice spoke to her in her ear, Do you want to stay or do you want to go? And she answered without hesitation. Absolutely, I want to stay. This is great. And then she saw her sister stop walking.

So looking at her son, although she was unable to see his face, she kind of reconsidered and said, oh, that wouldn't be fair to him because I've already got a chance to grow up and live my life, but if a choice had to be made, it should be made together. So we'll either stay here together or return together. And she just didn't want to be separated from her child. In an instant, she was back in her body,

snapped right back to reality, fully conscious. She was lying on her right side, voices filled the room, a doctor declared that she was dead, a nurse responded angrily, and then she managed to move a finger and somebody noticed. And then the nurse just goes, oh, wow, she's back. Oh, my God. She's back.

And it doesn't say exactly how long this whole experience was, but I imagine it was probably seconds. Yeah, seconds, right. Maybe minutes. Well, you hear this about that otherworldly stuff, as a time does not a thing there. Even these people who have their full life reviews, everything that happened in your damn life,

you sit there and you see from a vantage point of observer, and it all happens in the blink of the time that, you know, it took for a car to meet Joe Blackieu across the highway. You know, it doesn't take. long at all for this kind of stuff allegedly. Because then, you know, the time is just different. And this is, again, where we get back to realms and dimensions and scales and time perceptions. Because if it is so, you only perceive time the way that we do here.

Other than that, it's just a series of moments and events like kind of on a screen that you can access willy-nilly and really it doesn't pass the same. It's another key factor of these type of stories that also connect to some of the other bits of the phenomena. Everything, everywhere, all at once. So she was actually furious that she returned, even though. apparently she said, yes, I want to go back. But that overwhelming love and peace were gone. When she told the nurse that she had died and gone to heaven, the nurse believed her.

Nobody else did, though. Not the doctor, not her husband, her parents or brother. Only her sister-in-law actually showed some interest and was like, wow. So that's the first one. That was Janae. So interesting, man. What song would you want the angels to be playing whenever you got up to heaven if a soundtrack was offered? Ironically, probably highway to hell.

just for shits and gigs. Shits and gigs. Okay, that's a good one. I like it. This next story is Brian D. And this is a newer one. This is from 2018. The way he writes this story is actually pretty funny.

So he's apparently a big fat guy. I'm cutting out like the first, I don't know, two thirds of this story because it was just kind of his background of his life. I wanted to get right to the meat of him dying. Yeah, tell us how he died, bro. Yeah. It's like the recipes that have this life story about their grandma's shit before it's like,

no, no, give me to your chocolate. Just talked about that the other day. It's like, I don't care that your me ma made this in 1972. Tell me how much flour to use. I don't care about it. She was in the Underground Railroad and it's from the war. And the special ingredient. It's cream of tartar.

She had to smuggle it in a prison pocket for miles. So he starts out by saying he was eating an extra large chicken, bacon, onion barbecue pizza, which is one of my my favorites. Okay. And washing it down with a two liter of coke or something. Oh, what you do, I suppose? All of a sudden, he gets a sharp sudden pain struck under his lower right ribs,

which is weird because he, this is actually, he had a stroke. So I don't know why, is that part where your heart is? I don't know. I've never been, I've never needed that kind of wake-up call. I don't know. No, yeah. So just minutes later, he's lightheaded, dizzy, he's got this pain. he started breathing really, you know, labored.

And he felt really weak. Yeah. And so he sat there for like an hour and it just keeps getting worse. And so he's asking his wife's like, hey, you got to take me in the hospital. Something's happening here. And she just said, oh, you have indigestion, but drove him down anyway. And this lady drives her husband. She must feel like ass after this because she drives him to the ER, drops him off, and drives

drives off, like just leaves him at the, the ER. She's not living it down, I will tell you that. So he enters the hospital, totally alone, gasping for breath, gripped by fear. He knew it wasn't like, oh, something's happening. He knew that he was, like, going to die. He got narrowed, you know, tunnel vision. He could only see a few feet in front of him. His heartbeats going out of his chest.

He had crazy tinnitus, too, at the same time. And the world's just kind of fading away. and every step felt like he was walking through like thick mud and it took all his concentration just to move. So he's getting towards the intake desk and everybody loves ER intake desk, don't they? Fill everything out in triplicate, make sure you know you have a credit card on file for incidentals,

you know, like Kleenex. But he gets to the desk and he knows he has no time to fill out paperwork. He's dying. Fucking dying, dude. Yeah, it's the ER. Yeah, he sees a nurse pushing a girl. Bernie and he's basically like, I need that. I need that.

Oh, my ride's here. Yeah. He raises his hand. He's trying to ask for help. And what emerge instead was an unintelligible sound. He describes it as kind of a, you know, stroke sound. Oh, like that woman who had the stroke on camera, that poor girl, who's the news anchor, right, on the field. And she's standing there and she had that damn stroke on mic.

That's crazy. There's been worse news bloopers, though, and they're funny. So he collapses to the floor And in that instant, as his body's collapsing to the floor, he experiences this violent internal sensation. And he really tries to describe it for people who wouldn't know what this feels like, but he said it's like a

tearing or ripping accompanied by an intense vibration and a feeling of being forcibly separated from his body. So he saw himself leaving his body as his body falls forward. So it's like this and he actually included a link to a YouTube video, I guess, that he said, this is the closest I found to replicating the sound

I heard, but it was a dead link, so I will never know what this sounds like. We just have to imagine, huh? Yeah. Shit. So you're saying that he was standing up and just like aboard his body fell, but his astral body, or whatever, just kind of stood in place and watched his other body fall?

Yeah, what a trip, right? And you hear this big ripping sound as his body falls forward. He's watching his body fall forward. and he's like, what? Oh my God. Could you imagine that shit, dude? I'm trying to.

Well, right. The tinnitus part of it as well is very interesting, too. I heard a dear friend of ours Ben Carroll, he had an out-of-body experience, and he talked about that whenever he was going out of his body as he was ascending, it was pure tone. It was like a, ooh, ho, ooh, and it kept going up in octaves as he ascended, like a tinnitus in your ear. But each level or realm that he passed, it was a higher octave of that tone, almost like the tone is suspended by the realm is suspended by the tone itself and that you're keyed to this and so you would

hear a sound so the tinnitus is very interesting but man his body falling out here in the ripping sound and then watching it that's crazy dude i mean we hear these stories all the time of obe's but like to it it would be so much more powerful if you were experiencing it so try to put yourself in this dude's shoes he just got left he got abandoned by his wife and then he watches his body fall and he's just standing there going what everyone's leaving me So then he's watching the nurse And he again, he's like third person view He's watching the nurse rushing to revive his body

But his perception shifted a little bit into What he calls a spherical 360 degree awareness Oh, you hear about this shit too Where people 3D camera themselves where they see them Google 360 themselves, yeah And you hear this a lot when people are like Oh, I was just pure energy

I was formless. I could, you know, perceive everything around me all at the same time. This seems to be what happened to him. Then it hit him that he was no longer physically embodied. After watching his body fall and the nurses come over and being able to see everything all around him, it finally hit him that he's like, oh, I'm dead or at least very, very close to it. But he also didn't have an awareness of, you know, what people call the silver cord between your body and your astral body. He had no perception of that.

It was completely severed. Like he was done. He was out of his body. He thought for sure, oh, this is it. I'm dead. Maybe that's what the ripping sound was. Is that silver cord snapping? Yeah.

So he panics, though. He wasn't immediately love and light. He panics. He's like, how? He started asking kind of scientific questions, really. He's like, how can I perceive all this without eyes, ears, or a brain? How am I doing that? I can see my brain and my body and everything is down there with the eyes and all of everything

that's included with a body is down there. So how am I seeing this? But then he could also, he was sensing things. He says vibrationally. So he's feeling the molecular textures of metal, plastic, fabric, all the people around him. And he says speech was not heard but felt. So he's trying to figure out how he's perceiving this. And it's all basically feeling. Any word, you know, it's telepathy, that kind of thing. But then amid all this confusion, this realization kind of hit him that this state felt deeply familiar. This is another common thread that when they go there, they go, oh, I remember this place. Yeah. Like a liminal space that they remember, you know, like this waiting room, this in between. Now, the question is, is if he can hear everything and

sense everything and it is telepathic, could he sense and hear people's thoughts around him or just the audible words they were saying? I don't think so, but he does have kind of a telepathic conversation with God, of course. God seems to love this liminal space that people go to when they die. I think there's a middleman, perhaps, in that liminal space, and you're not done with the fuckery in that space. So as he realized that this place felt familiar, or this state that he was in, he also sensed that his physical body had always been temporary, and that this form that he's in right

now, this weird, pure awareness, was his actual true nature. but this urgent concern arose that he had not completed an important purpose. Though he could not remember the details, the sense of an unfinished mission caused him distress. So he's panicking about it, but also going, oh, no, I remember this now. But also, there was something like, why did I come into the kitchen? You know, that kind of thing? Like you forgot something. So he's watching the medical staff lift his body onto a gurney, and then all of a sudden, all of his fear just went away.

And guess what? Love washed over him. calming, deeply familiar. This whole profound, loving presence just redirected his attention totally, bringing peace and reassurance stronger than any comfort he had ever known. And then to his right appeared another presence, brighter and more luminous than himself. And though largely featureless, it radiated golden light and conveyed warmth, familiarity, and recognition. He felt as though he had known this being for an immeasurable length of time. The entity communicated directly into his awareness, reassuring him that he was safe and had time inviting him to walk and talk.

Because again, time dilation. He's like, no, don't worry. It's only a couple seconds on the other side. So they're walking, but all of a sudden it just, it's not hospital anymore. He's in a luminous, what he calls a luminous space, brilliant, white and gold, but without defined walls. So try to imagine that. Put that into mid-jurney and see what they come up with. It's kind of like what they describe on board UFOs.

Light sources you can't see the illumination of and walls that you can't see the edge of. I would like Jeffrey, the author of all this, to examine the similarities between on-board UFOs and this weird NDE state that people find themselves in, because it does a lot of the times have some similarities. It'd be pretty interesting if sort of like those man on the street things where they'll take quotes from politicians who people don't like, but then they'll say it's the politician that they do like and they'll say those things and then they'll say the quote but then they're like oh fuck that fuck that trick question but it was really their favorite one and they're like well we talked anyway it's kind of like that you could do this in a way where you didn't tell the person who is observing or going over the experience whatever clinical

professional or whatever professional capacity you have you don't tell them without leading him you don't tell them that it was either an indee or a UFO experience you sort of just give them the facts of the case and just say what do you think happened here so this particular god figure that he's talking to. The first question, he's like, oh, are you God? And he's really good natured, this God guy, because he just kind of chuckles and goes, uh, yeah, sure. And he's like, are you Jesus?

And he laughs again and says, uh, sometimes. He's like, well, are you also Buddha? And he's like, uh, yeah, you're kind of getting it now. Yeah, you're a trickster, Jen. And he's just playful with him. Yeah. Yeah. So that each question was met with confirmation and warmth.

suggesting that the presence embodied many forms at once. Because if this is, you know, the idea of God being the all, he literally is everything all at once. Right. Okay. You would just need to appear that those folks sort of like speaking in their language. He wouldn't show up as a white dude over there. You show up as a Buddha. You know, they're going to listen to that guy.

Right. Different strokes for different folks. Nailed it. And then he started understanding that all the spiritual traditions pointed this toward the same source, and that his lifelong exploration of diverse beliefs now made sense. He felt he had been in this realm many times before and had chosen in this life not to remember. Another common thread.

And then he gets to the rapid life review. All of a sudden, just everything that happened, you know, he recalled it being in like a place of learning, like a school alongside other non-physical beings, accessing vast repositories of understanding. Time felt both instantaneous, and infinite all at once. And that's another common thing with psychedelics,

especially DMT in particular. When he asked what he needed to do upon returning to his body, because again, this guy's a big fat guy, and obviously you don't need to be eating chicken bacon pizzas anymore because that's what caused this unfortunate thing. But the being responded to him and said, you need water, aspirin, citrus peels. And he's like, what?

further guidance, though, followed about fasting, eliminating sugar and soda, cleansing the body and caring for his health in general. And he's like, good call. I probably should. Why would it include a prescription medicine? Or, I mean, a medicine, right? A pharmaceutical medicine, not a prescription. My apology. Maybe it's because it's a quick fix. Quick fix for thinning his blood, because isn't that what leads to strokes? Is your blood's really thick? It's just interesting. I'm not a doctor. I don't know. His awareness expanded again, though, allowing him to access a higher level of perception. He became aware of countless other souls, people in the process of dying, newly dead people, or caught between states, which I would imagine is what a ghost is. He sensed their confusion, their fear, their cries for help.

He wondered where their guides were. He's like, I'm walking next to Jesus Buddha God. Where's your help? He looked up, he perceived larger, more advanced, luminous beings assisting these souls, calming them, guiding them, and preparing them for what came next. He recognized the place and realized that he himself had once served in this role. He had chosen this lifetime deliberately. One of the larger beings noticed him and greeted him like an old friend telling it was not his time yet. He's like, oh, you're here again, but you've got to finish out your fat guy life down there, okay? Another joined in insisting that he still had important work to complete. One of them retrieved something he had previously entrusted to them a concentrated sphere of vibrant energy and thrust it into him. What is up with that? That would be unsettling also. You're already in this half-dead astral state, and then somebody sticks an orb into you.

Well, it's almost like an alien implant, isn't it? Mm. Hmm. Yes. But right at that moment, as this dude thrust this sphere of energy into him, his awareness snapped back into his physical body. He awoke to a nurse performing a sternum rub. Not what you think it is. Get your mind out of the gutter.

No. And asking him his name. though another name surfaced in his mind he answered with his legal name, which is good. He was informed that he had suffered a stroke caused by a major blood clot. Emergency treatment had broken it apart, but smaller clots remained threatening his heart, brain, and lungs, and surgery was being prepared.

What a nice way to wake up back in your body. You kind of died, but you're also about to die again if we don't do some surgery. Yeah. They were about to give him a sedative, which he refused. he insisted he knew it to do and demanded water, aspirin, and citrus fruit. The nurse, visibly shaken, but trusting him, complied. He consumed a large amount of water mixed with crushed aspirin and chewed citrus peels. This is not medical advice, people, by the way.

Shortly afterwards, his heart monitor flatlined. So he does what the God Buddha Jesus told him to do, and he flatlines again. So they're preparing to defrib him, you know, clear in the whole thing. the paddles on the chest. And he just instinctively, he said it was a conscious thing. He started coughing. So he's flatlined, but he starts coughing.

And he describes these two distinct internal sensations as Klotz passed through his heart. He said it was like a squish bluish, and then a bluish squish. And he could feel like the plots going through his heart, which is gnarly. Whoa. And then his heartbeat returned on its own.

They didn't defrib him, de-fib him. and he was discharged three days later, minimal lasting damage. In the years since, he says he has heightened awareness, heightened intuition, and sensitivity. He feels drawn towards healing, grounding, and helping others. He believes his survival was purposeful and that everyone carries a role often forgotten in a larger design. So that was a net positive, I guess, for the guy, and he's taking care of his health now and probably not wanting to feel clots go through his heart much anymore.

I know I wouldn't. Man, you think about these stories. You know, I get that it's health of the individual and all these things. It's just from certain perspectives, one could say that there's an energetic investment on your part. And yes, you're not done yet because you still have milk to produce cow, basically. Like you still have energy to produce for us. You're not done in that capacity yet. I get that it can be couched in all sorts of things, but policies get past every day.

under the guys of not doing something horrible, but then something horrible is done in a result of the passing of the thing. And so it's this interesting inversion that I'm just cautionary against about people wrapping their arms around these kind of ideas and just embracing the beings on the other side, whatever that is. It sounds very suss to say the best to me in the best case scenarios,

even though it would be something that I'm like, oh, fuck, yeah, Inde, like let's go to heaven, man, that's where Jesus is. I got all my past dogs there, G-Maw's up there hanging out, she's got a big fountain rolled for me. All those things sound great. But this is the point, like, Is that just another sort of level of this?

Because you do hear, again, about this sort of arc on influence. It's right on the other side of that. And the big light might just be the moon's soul trap and all of these sort of things that I think are important just to sort of offer to the folks. That's some sort of, you know, just devil's advocate, if you will. And if you want to say, I'm a devil because I'm sitting here talking about there ain't no heaven.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that what may be happening right afterwards could be misperceived and that the real heaven is seeing, beyond the illusion of that and recognizing that. Oh, for sure. And that's, we've talked a lot about that too, about I don't deny that there's these entities outside of our, you know, physical awareness. No. I think they're there, but you have to test them. Yes, definitely check them. That's the point is, you know, freedom is an active sport. Even when you die, it's not like, oh, okay, I'm released. Don't get. When you go into a theme park, it's not like you're all safe and good,

you still got to bring your wits with you in there. You know, there's amazing and fun. things there and it's awesome it is like another world but it's still a place where danger can occur i feel is where at least you your discernment still like don't leave your discernment at the door is what i will say about that right it's the old adage that uh just because you're dead doesn't make you enlightened absolutely not look at some of these ghost dick heads running around here it's just weird man you don't even know you're dead like how enlightened is that i would think that you'd want instantly to know you're dead to reap the benefits of that awareness and move on you know it does seem like people have this idea that especially you know religious folks they have this idea that when they die

that everything is you know in light you're enlightened like you know everything now i know the true history of earth now now i know what god was real you know and it doesn't seem like that's how it is really at least from what these you know people that do these cases are reporting it doesn't seem like they're all knowing all of a sudden but they do that is one of the questions that's on the survey too is did you receive any you know special knowledge and that is a huge kind of know them by their fruits type of idea where did you get some special knowledge and nine times out of ten it's yes i did the answer is love and we talked about this before i'm like okay it's great great what a revelation that was good thing you had to stroke out to find that out

yeah good thing you had to stroke out but if you think about it most of the most of the times what occurs they do encounter love. They'll encounter the love of a stranger that saves their life. They'll encounter a loving partner. They'll at least drive them to the hospital. Drop them off, yes, but drive them. Maybe. Stay with them for a bit?

Maybe. And then you've got the love of self, which is ultimately, I think, what they're talking about, these whatever's on the other side. If you were to put a positive spin on this, and I would say that it was beneficial at a point, it would be that self-love

is the outcome of most of these cases. Folks start taking better care of themselves. They start being more present. And in the moment, they don't get as distracted. they're off of the screens more, they're with their families, you know, they're engaged in new hobbies and activities, maybe even unlock one that they put in a drawer that we really needed them to write that book or to write that song or anything that they weren't before. And these are just important aspects of this, because if you're self-loving and doing all of that, do you need to have the NDE? I'd say maybe not, you know? Maybe you just take these and we say that a smart man learns from his own experiences, the wise, can learn from the experiences of others. We don't have to have an NDE to love ourselves or to love the world. So, maybe we take that to heart. Yeah. And a lot of these, they do come out as, at least the ones I've been reading it, they come out

as a net positive. Like people don't come out of these experiences and go, and then the next day I felt like killing myself. Like, they're like, wow, I feel like I know so much more about myself, about, you know, the way the universe works because I've seen the other side type of idea. What was that book a couple years ago? I think it was a kid that wrote it or, you know, somebody ghost wrote it for him, but it was like, was it called heaven?

I'd have to look it up, but it was really popular, and then I think it got debunked. But, I mean, what level of debunked do you even believe these days? Snopes is a pile of garbage, so. And technically a lot of the debunk stuff, they'll go, oh, this is in real. And then you look at it, you're like, actually, there's a lot of value here. It's not baby with bath, there's a baby in here. You know, you just threw it all out. There's something to be enjoyed here.

And if nothing else, it just allows you to question. I think if anything, it just shows that there's more possibilities here, which is the ultimate goal of this. Keeping the mind open, yes. Exactly. To transcend that idea of duality, that there are only two doors, that when you die, you have to go to the light. See, this is one of them. Maybe not. Maybe there's something else. Maybe if you turn left or look to the left. I've heard Alex Coyer talks about this, actually. He said, if you go over and you go to the light, look at it, turn around. He said, if you turn around, you will see the heavens behind you, and then you will shoot off automatically to where you're supposed to go, which is home. It's this huge attractor in the sky, and this is planted.

This seed is planted also in pop culture everywhere. Don't go to the light, don't go to the light. You know, and Pulitzer guys, I mean, animated movies all over the place. Oh, don't go to the line. It's just an interesting thing that rolls around in this inverted reality. Yeah, and my dumb ass, I could see, I mean, because we've looked into these topics. Maybe that's part of it. I'll all dying and see the light and then try to jump out a window, you know, end up in the upside down.

Well, and think of anglerfish and how they work. Think of UFOs and how they work. There's a bright light. and then all the sudden missing time, or there's a bright light, then all of a sudden I'm on the UFO, or this bright light is associated with these interactions, or rather you find them to be valuable or not is up to you.

Either way, they definitely shake your reality up. Oh, yeah. Because also, if you think about it, these things that are implanting in you, perhaps, waves of chemical emotion, and maybe it's just piped in through the air system over there. And when you show up, they know that, oh, wow, this chemical concoction is going to make them basically,

like your, like MDMA will do that, man. it makes you love everybody and that's right here you can just go i don't recommend it this is not a plug for that but you can go get some inexperience that here so if it's simulated or can be simulated and then therefore you can be simulated by it what's to keep anything from knowing that making you overwhelmed with that some sort of truth serum but really it's a love everybody serum and get back down there and you know keep producing lush for us kind of a thing you know maybe and that's a new thing i'm actually glad this kind of came up in the general zeitgeist of the world is toxic positivity.

And normally these trigger phrases like that are just annoying. But I get what they mean by that. And it's the people like Dr. Amanda Noel. Remember her? Follow your blissness, whatever the hell that means. But it's this, you can do that. That's fine. But also recognize there is a dark side to everything.

I think, like in most areas, moderation. Don't focus on the darkness. But you also can go the other way and focus so much on the love and light that you're missing out and you're, you just become delusional at that point, in my opinion. Middle ground. This is what they say, the symbolism of the Galgoth is all about, right? The Jesus, when he's up on the cross, you've got the two on either side. One of them is Aramon and one of them's Lucifer. Those are the two extreme options available of experience in this realm, just extremes of them.

Aramon, very straight-laced, very, everything by the book, right? Society, normal, structure. Leufer of course, is exactly. And so you've got Jesus, where's he at on the cross, which is right in the middle? And it's interesting to the symbology of the cross, because if you take a cube and you unroll it, what is that? That's a cross. And so that's sort of what they're saying here is that we're in this hyperdimensional space cube, and that when you break out, you unfold it, you raise your arms out.

You've popped out of this box, if you will, that unfolds as a cross, because then it can no longer contain your energy. And the idea is, is not to go one way or the other, not too hard Aramon, not too hard Lucifer, but don't go, oh, it's Lucifer, that's on the bottom of that's scary. No, man, that's the dark. That's very important. You need that absolutely. But it's the harmony between the two that is sought here. That's your opportunity, and that's transcending duality. You've got it. Beautiful. I'm grateful you brought this up. They even, that's known. I mean, Alastair Crowley, you know, for one, uh, androgyny. He embraced the left-hand path,

which would be that, what, is it, Aromonic? That's Rudolf Steiner's stuff, right? It's Lucifer. It's the do as thou wilt, sort of that, no rules, just do whatever you want, everything is permissible sort of activity. That's more Lucifer. That's the Morning Star.

Yeah, yeah, and too much of that, I mean, obviously. But to say then that you can never have a Snickers bar, you know, it's silly too, because if you think about it, any extreme of anything does not terraform you for this place. If you were extremely healthy, like that Jim Fix guy who died in the 80s while jogging, if you were extremely healthy, you're not suited for this realm because this realm doesn't provide the environment. It's not terraformed for that.

You've got to have some toxicity in your life or you're just simply not going to make it. The other is true, too. If you're too goddamn dark, it's just, man, it's honestly what the dark did for me. It got boring. I got so fucking bored with it because it was all this blue balls, honestly. It was all doom and gloom and things are going to happen. And nothing fucking happened. I'm sitting here going, okay, what?

And nothing. And then the dark shit is so, like I said, just boring. It's just boring, man. The balance, though, is what's important here because you got to love those demons at the same time. You hate them and all of that. They're the thing that motivated you off the couch to do something in the first place. You got to have that. But the love of it is where you love yourself through all of the rungs on the ladder that you walked to get where you are.

It's this brilliant, brilliant harmony here, man. I went off on a rant a couple years ago about that. It was kind of a shower thoughts type of thing where people that preach moderation need to be moderate in their moderation too. And that's kind of a weird thing to think about. But like if you're always so moderate that you don't step out of your reality tunnel from time to time, then you're not being moderate because you need to do some extreme stuff every once in a while. That doesn't mean you need to go, you know, shoot somebody up or not,

not talking about it like that. It's step outside of your day to day. And you talk about that on disabliging. We've talked about that a couple times about switching it up, you know, putting in some seasoning into your life a little bit. And I am very guilty of that because I get stuck in ruts where I'm like, I do the same thing every day, at the same time. And it just becomes a drag, really. And you're not, are you really living at that point? if that's how you're doing things. It's the programming. And this is one of the main paradoxes of this place.

Because this place intellectually, when you get to a certain point with it, it's riddled with paradox. You can't quantify it from an intellectual perspective, which then invites you to offer other senses to be able to calibrate your senses here and to know your position in place with all things, right? So within that structure, that opportunity, you are able to see, okay, well, if there's a paradox here, then what's the deciding factor? The deciding factor, every time in the time.

paradoxes, what do you think? You get to choose your own adventure on this thing. And if that's the deciding factor, then really maybe what this entire thing is is a training for godhood. And you are learning how to self-govern. You are learning how to be sovereign. You are learning how to stand up to say no to arcons when they dress up like your grandma. You throat punch them and then you go to the third door and then you actually go home. And maybe this is it. And this is this whole realm and lately just with all of this stuff, man, with the opportunities, with the crossovers, with the phenomena in general, it offers us, I think, a bigger opportunity. to see how we decide to interface with this place

and our relationship to it. Because honestly, the things out there that we don't like, we have an opportunity to change. And it's a very safe place to do so when you really get down to it and start doing it. It's fascinating, man.

Love it. So, we rabbit trail in some philosophical... God I love it. You guys got us off on some fucking wossiling here. Did you know getting pink eye from farts as a myth? Really? I asked Mary if you could give yourself pink eye.

And I thought it was fascinating that by smelling your own farts constantly, you know, because everybody loves their own brand, you give a waft, you go, hey, what does that smell like? You don't give yourself pink eye more often, but it's because it's a myth. So I'd like to clear that up on the show, and then we can get back to the stories. Thank you. I imagine if you were able to stretch down far enough, you could give yourself pink eye, but that's why kids always get pink eye. It's because they're nasty, and they stick their fingers in gross places and then touch their eyeballs. That is true, but it's not exclusively farts, which that's why it's hilarious too is. Why do you not from your own farts? Because

obviously we do that. We scoop them up. You are dutching. ovening yourself, you know, I mean, I live in the world too. Even in the shower or something like this, you'd think that it would be you're cooking in there, right? But it's a myth. So we'd like to dispel that myth right now for anyone passing along the idea that you can get Pink Eye from farting on your friend's pillow. I mean, good luck. Mythbusters universe. Yeah, yeah.

Thanks for tuning in. So this last story is Andre. This happened in February of 1984, and guess what? This was translated from French. It was in French. It was a French story. Okay. Well, things happened in France.

So I cleaned up the grammar a little bit, but if it, if there's some weird grammar going on, it's because it was fucking French. Translated. Yeah. So he died, he just starts out with, Andre dies in a workplace accident. He did survive it, obviously, or he wouldn't be here to tell the story. But he was an electrician. And I thought this is funny because I actually have some electrical weirdness going to on in my house right now where one circuit is just down and I have to go start opening

outlet covers and checking wires and stuff so I'm going to take the advice of my wife and make sure somebody's home when I do that yes sir plug a lamp into it make sure it turns off yep so for two days Andre and his colleague Mark had been attempting to diagnose a malfunction in a spectrometer which is a device used to analyze particles suspended in liquid. Shortly after 3 o'clock, he climbs onto a high stool and reach toward the plasma torch housed at the center of a square two-meter-tall metal column. To access the internal mechanisms, the protective panels surrounding the column had to be removed. So his body's resting against one exposed wall, while both hands gripped the upper edges of two nearby panels

set perpendicular to it. His balance was unstable, and his familiarity with the device was limited. He positioned himself to verify the torch's ignition while Mark standing roughly two meters to his right operated the control panel. Mark was focused on the computer screen displaying the parameters they had been waiting for over the previous two days. He asked whether it was safe to start the machine.

The answer was, okay. Mark presses the switch without looking away from the screen. So Mark is totally focused on this screen, just turns it on. Instantly, Andre's body locked, locked rigid against the metal. He was completely paralyzed. This overwhelming heat surged through him,

obviously with unbearable pain. He tried to scream, but no sound emerged. Sounds like some tales from the crypt type of thing. Can't scream. Yeah. And in that moment, he understood that he was being electrocuted and that he was going to die. What a realization to have.

Wow. What he did not yet know was that his chest was pressed against four electrical resistors aligned vertically. The highest resistor just below the shoulder level carried a direct current of 4,000 volts at 5 amps. That's a pretty gnarly charge. That's a gnarly charge. I don't know exactly how all the

volts, amperages, and all that stuff work. I just know that it's bad. It's just lessen what the Ghostbusters are using in those packs they got. Yeah. But then the second part that he was on was positioned at the level of his heart. No bueno there. And that was carrying an AC current

of 220 at 10 amps. And then the other two carried low voltage, low intensity current. So those first two that are the troublemakers. So terror consumed him. And he started this internal dialogue. He said he refused to death. It was too soon. He's like, no, absolutely not.

I have kids. I have a 10-year-old, a 7-year-old, and little David still very young. And Mark, this whole time, is unaware of what's happening. He's looking at the screen. He heard nothing. No sound escaped. because he's literally just paralyzed against the wall being cooked. Just being cooked and Mark's just do to do to do to do.

What's the only one you want to listen to do right now? He's probably talking to him too. And all of this happened within look here. I think it was, I want to say it was only like maybe 20 to 25 seconds that he was being cooked on. Only, how long does it take to electrocate somebody in an electric chair? I don't know. I'll Google this while we're doing it. Go ahead. You could probably find a video on rotten.com or something.

Oh, I'm not interested in that. No, no, no, no, no. Certain things you can't unsee. Be careful what you see. Yeah. So the pain became intolerable and his strength, both physical and psychological, just collapsed. He's done. He was unable to endure, and he just surrendered to death.

He's like, whatever, I guess I'm dying. I'm done with this pain. Here comes the life review part. It says in rapid succession, images of his measurements of his memory. material attachments passed before him, the car, the apartment, furniture, each one just released. It's like, like we talked about earlier before the show, swipe and left. He's in this almost meditative state. He's just saying goodbye to everything, basically.

He saw, then came the emotional attachments, you know, his children, parents, women, friends, each farewell. He's just saying goodbye to all of it. And then finally, lastly, his own self-image dissolved. The idea of Andre disappeared completely, freed from all. attachments in concepts, personal identity just ceased to exist. And at that moment, a doorway opened onto an infinite and blissful consciousness. He was flooded by an intense luminosity and submerged in immeasurable, omnipresent, eternal love.

Hey, death by electric chair, by the way, typically takes between 15 minutes or more from start of the procedure until the person has pronounced dead. The actual time, though, can vary of crout, of course. But listen to this. Standard procedure is only 500 to 2,000. volts. Wow. This dude was getting 4,000 in his shoulder, right? Of the DC? Yeah. And I imagine, I know that amperage is, I'd have to ask my, my brother, he knows more about the electrical stuff. But yeah, the amperage has a big effect. Like, because I know, um, I used to have a self-defense like taser, not a taser, but a stun gun. And it was like 20,000 volts. But it was at an amperage that wouldn't kill you. It'd probably just make you maybe pee your poop yourself, maybe. Do you ever shock yourself with it? Be honest. No, I did not. I was deathly afraid of it. Okay. But the sound it made scared dogs off. That's what I use it for mostly. I bet, man. Fuck that. So besides being, you know, coded by this omnipresent, immeasurable love, he describes being existing only as awareness. This kind of goes back to the stroke guy. He's just just in awareness. He's like a little bubble just floating around. And all seeing gaze spanning more than 180 degrees with extraordinary, clarity. So he didn't have the 360, but still a pretty good field of view, 180. Yeah, that's not bad. He floated above his body, so he's watching, he's watching himself getting

cooked, but he's outside of it. So he's like, ah, it doesn't hurt anymore, whatever. But his body was still trembling. So he was technically, like, still alive. He just popped out of his body. He felt no pain. There were no thoughts, no moral divisions, no boundary between life and death. Everything was love, and love was eternal. He remained a neutral witness for, serene and profoundly happy. So this is, again, one of those ones that falls into the category of, it was amazing. Like, I was happy. Yeah.

And I imagine you would. If you, most people don't get the opportunity to feel what it's like to not have any physical pain or, you know, all this. A lot of people, when they come back into their body, they say, oh, it was, it feels heavy or I feel, you know, claustrophobic almost because you were used to being free of the meat popsicle. so. In a sudden flash, though, he perceived his entire life and recognized how unjustified fears had deprived him of genuine happiness. He saw how guarded his love had been, constrained by excessive judgment. He understood that he had feared loving fully and recognized the bitterness and poverty that fear had created. He realized that love is humanity's true nature and that weakness in this regard leads to profound personal and collective suffering. Paradoxically, within this state, all life possessed meaning. Whether experiences were joyful or painful, long or short, none of it mattered because everything was ultimately good. That's right. Then he meets the god figure, a luminous presence appeared, radiant, loving, infinite, and knowledge. He felt loved as he had never had before.

Its radiance filled his soul. He understood that in this realm all was possible. There were no obstacles. Movement occurred at the speed of intention. Without hesitation, he descended instantly to hover above the playground of his youngest son. David's nursery school. So this is, he says it's about a one kilometer away from the site of where he was working. And he just watched him playing and, you know, just was like, oh, I'm visiting my kid. And, but he also says later that it could have been a hundred kilometers away and he knows for sure he

could have just snapped right over there. So like he says, the speed of intention. So where am I at here? Oh, and then he stopped by his other. kids, he like basically went and visited his kids and we're like, oh, how are my kids doing? This is awesome. I can go see them whenever I want. He contemplated a sun radiating incandescent love. Within that light, he saw his children's faces with unparalleled clarity through telepathic communication. His kids asked him to return to his body because they needed him. What? How old were they again? I think the oldest was 10 at the time. And so, but he see, this is the weird, so he sees like all three of them and they're telepathically saying, hey, you need to go back to your body.

Wow. But he actually didn't want to go back to his body, but then he's like, oh, my kids kind of need me. So it says he could not resist the call to go back to his body. So he returned to hover over his body. So he jumps back. He's over his body again. It says through an indefinable form of telepathy, he asked Mark, who's still face to the screen.

He asked him mentally to press the emergency stop button. Stop cooking me, basically. and Mark did so instantly. And later, Mark explained that he had felt something was profoundly wrong and acted without conscious reasoning. So Andre basically jumped into his brain for a second and was like, dude, push the button. I'm dying here. Holy shit. And Mark just did it.

So where do your thoughts come from? Maybe it's from somebody being cooked right next to you. You don't know. Wow. As his vision narrowed, he re-entered his body and the return, oh, was painful. His body was paralyzed. His heartbeat was weak. Breathing was difficult.

his hands were burned, his arms and shoulders twisted violently, leaving him feeling broken and humiliated. For a moment, he longed desperately to return to the other side, but it was impossible. He remained under medical supervision and slept continuously for two days. When he awoke, the doctors told him he was extraordinarily lucky. He had been electrocuted by 4,000 volts at 5 amps for an estimated 20 to 25 seconds. His muscles had contracted with a force equivalent to lifting two tons. despite being a trained athlete with a strong heart, his survival was described as a medical miracle. Even now, his body remembers the intensity of the event.

Writing about it causes trembling and tears. The accident opened the door to eternity. A daily nostalgia for that lost paradise remains. He says his life can never return to what it was. Everything was illuminated, as if a torch had revealed the shadows long ignored. But he did make fundamental changes, striving always to love intuitively and, truthfully. I do like this part.

So he says superficiality, gossip and false relationships now disturb him deeply. Here, here. That's something that disturbs me deeply, too. Here, fucking here. I've never been cooked for 20 seconds. Again, you don't need it. You can just go, ah, it's not for me. I think that'd be my number one pet peeve in the world is just fakeness.

Just fake ass people. Fake butts, fake tits, all of that, you know. So he says he seeks all. authenticity in every encounter now. This openness has brought sincere friendships, but also isolation. In a society consumed by fear-based emotions, like jealousy, hatred, and possessiveness, his way of being, places him on the margins. He lives with melancholy, often alone, expanding his energy to give love without fear. Many attempts fail and disappointment brings despair. The revelation he received was a divine gift, but a difficult one to live with in ordinary reality. He's now,

about 64, his children are grown, and he lives alone in a secluded like a hermit. Damn. He said he's withdrawn from the world, though he has shared his testimony publicly in past years. Sufferating. Sufferating. Wow, that's a new word. Suffering from a debilitating illness and consumed by longing. He waits patiently and earnestly for the ineffable light of love to open its doors to him once more.

So he's basically just like, I can't wait to die again. Fuck. It was awesome. Dude, could you imagine, man? And this is the part about being terraformed here. Have the snickers every now and then because if you're too healthy, you're going to die. Don't go nuts on the after-death experiences because you won't want to live. This is insane, man.

This is one of those things. And it is interesting, too, that so many people have such productive positive lives after this, almost as if they got a second chance at it. Because some people like this come back and go, fuck this. I don't want anything to do with it. This sucks. Why am I here? I know.

That's one of the, the, that he actually the person ends up kind of being bummed out about it because he's like man I should have just stayed dead that was awesome I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often honestly

if it's that much better yeah I mean if you if you believe in the reincarnation thing and that you choose your next lifetime and he would have come back soon enough anyway if he wanted to I guess but this is the thing is that does that impression

kind of make us call into question the idea of this reincarnation then you do get to choose or is it just sort of a roll of the dice, they shove you in a vessel with a situation and you wipe your memory and then you're back in the lushe farm here. You know, that's a, that's sort of the insight on that is, is it beneficial? Sort of again, to the idea of that all UFOs heal you, well, some of them hurt you and then heal the thing that they fucked up. Otherwise, I wouldn't have done anything for you, maybe, or just scared the shit out of you done horrible things, popped your pooper, and then

kicked you back out of the UFO, you know, found out you don't have any seam into milk and then get pissed about that and drop you off. It's just interesting when we consider all these implications and then your relationship to them. This is the big part here. Really, this story proclaims that even deeper. It's up to what you do with it afterwards, you know, how you interpret it. It's all about integration. And that's a big thing with, you know, what they call plant medicine is it's not the experience itself so much as how you integrate it.

Like, you could go to church every Sunday. And if you're not changing things and you're just thinking going to church is going to help, it's really the integration, the other six days of the week, that is, you know, what's good for your, you know, what you perceive as good for you is how you deal with the information you have. It's not up to the pastor. It's not up to the plant medicine or that anything else that you think is going to, you know, the self-help books. There's only work if you help yourself. That's right. You can't just read a book and be like, I'm good now. Yeah, it's done. The information's in there. Buddha Jesus is going to come down and take all this pain away from me you're absolutely right and beautifully said man well I think that is a wrap for this one why don't you give us a little sneak peeker at the next

story just a quick rundown for the barnacles well it definitely involves quite a few elements of this it is going to be again from Preston Dennett's inside UFOs this episode though this extension we're going to call more inside UFOs because we did a little bit of it we did another story from it on the last plus show, which definitely goes, go check that out. It's a lot of fun,

man. We killed that one, honestly. So this comes from Inside UFO's True Accounts of Contact by Preston D-Train, didn't it? And it's just fascinating. He has 10 stories in there. I just picked up a couple of them. One we, like I said, again, just did on the last show, but this one has to do with a lady meeting, or basically finding herself in a space with a nine-foot-tall, red-haired being. She definitely knows that it was not human. It had this massive chin, massive head, rocking a cape. It's the first alien encounter I've heard of as someone rocking a cape. Stylish. It's just really fascinating. This woman has had a lifetime of experiences, and we go through quite a bit of it, and especially this time period between 9 and 12, she was visited quite often, and then also a case when she was 5, and just a

fascinating case about her mom putting aluminum foil up on the windows. And it pissed off these aliens because it fucked with them and almost like foiled their plans. And is that where the term comes? from maybe. Nice pun. Thank you. So it's really cool and it's brilliant. You guys can get access to all of this cool shit that we're talking about, all the fun that we're having over there because we really turn it up over there.

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shit, guys. If you've got a story in, you are going to take the time to write it in. Make us go, holy shit, we've got to write that. We've got to read this. We've got to talk about this on the show. And we appreciate that feedback. We've actually. gotten a lot of really cool topics that people have written in. I was going to say, thank you to everybody who's sent in recommendations. I appreciate that. We're always looking for new content. Yep, I've started a folder in the email. Yeah. And so thank you guys very much. And we've responded to a couple of those. And just thanks again for the overwhelming response. And for being awesome. And Joe, great job, man. That was amazing.

Oh, thanks. Absolutely incredible. It just makes the mind wonder. I hope you do more NDE stories, honestly. Those are fascinating. We are going to. I'm going to stretch this into next Tuesday's Plus show. Another reason to sign up. If you're into these types of stories, that's where you want to be because there's so many of these and I'm still sorting through them. These are just four. Actually, I didn't even read, I didn't read one of them. Maybe I'll do that one next week. It's a lady who almost had her insides torn out on a boating accident and she met God. And it was one of those ones kind of looking over my notes here. But yeah, she had a weird experience speeding God, I'll just leave it there.

But, yeah, so tune into that next week. If you're on Plus, if not, we'll see all you Barnacles next Friday, right? All right. Thanks, Brandon. All right. Everybody have a great week. We'll catch you next time. Welcome back to your Plus Extension for this season 35, episode one.

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