Mysterious Universe - 35.03 - MU Podcast - The Short Season

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

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Hell yeah. I can't wait. It's been too long since I've had my Ben and Aaron fix. I know. It seems like they just disappeared off the face of the earth, but now they're going to be back in a big way, so that's going to be exciting. And I'm stoked that they're doing the new show almost the same way we did our old shows, where we just jump on, hit record, and start talking. How funny is that? My, the table is turned. Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing what they have to come up with, just off the cuff, seeing what else they want to talk about, because we, will be listening as fans we were ready to. I can't wait. Yeah, so it's linked down below, guys. Definitely check that out.

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And this is also going to set us up for our next Friday show, where we are going to cover a mysterious lost land with some actual potential living fossils, some living cryptids running around in it that would be found in a movie or legends. You wouldn't think that these things are either still alive or exist at all. And it's really bizarre. Yeah, so this is going to set us up for that. Make sure you guys stick around for that and sign up below using that link. Perfect. Also, I did want to mention again, I can't remember if it was on a plus show or not, but we are on the social. So, search mysterious universe and we will be there and you can DM us there or talk shit, whatever you want to do.

Doesn't really matter to me. But yes, today, so we're going to, I'm going to kind of put on a theological hat for today's show. Okay. Something I teased, I think on the last extension maybe. And this is the idea of the little season of Satan. Now, you don't have to be a Christian to enjoy this idea. I think most people are familiar with the idea that Christians subscribe to, that Jesus died, resurrected, and he's coming back someday. And it's always that, that futurist mentality, that one day the Messiah is going to come back and fix everything and everything is going to be great.

I don't have a problem with it. This is a thought experiment more than anything. I don't subscribe to this idea myself. I don't know what to think about it. but it kind of reminds me of a different way to look at the Cali Yuga idea, like Bibu Deb Mizra's work in Hello, Buddy, thank you. Hello, buddy. Kind of a cyclic perspective, you know.

The more that I look into all these ideas and all these, the history and just, if you take a 30,000 foot look at it, everything does look like it's cyclic. There's big cycles, there's small cycles, everything is psychics. everything is cyclic. I don't even know how that can be argued or debated. I agree. From, you know, day to night to, you know, the different seasons to the years, it stands the reason that there's bigger cycles too. So this just seems to me like a Christian's idea of that and where they come from in their

worldview. So basically, it's the way the story is usually told is evil's defeated. you know, Christ reigns. Nations are healed. History is finally taking a big exhale and just relaxing. Ah, it's done. It's over. But then this all starts in Revelation 20.

And this is where a lot of the little seasoned folks kind of base this whole idea around is this chapter specifically in Revelation. So in this verse specifically, it's, and I'm not sure what version, I think it's NIB or something, but it's Revelation 27. It says, when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison for a little while. A little while. After judgment, after binding, after peace. So this is why it's such a kind of a controversial idea. and like I've said on previous shows, I don't understand why people get all hot-headed and mad about a new idea.

That's all it is. It's just an idea to knock around in your noggin. You don't have to believe it. You don't have to subscribe to this idea. It's just an interesting thought experiment, like I said. So it's popularly become called Satan's Little Season, and there's a lot of people out there recently. I'm not sure how new this idea really is,

but it's gaining traction in the last few years. notably a guy named J.T. follows J.C. He's on everything under that name, YouTube, all that. And he's a big proponent of this. And I had the chance to interview him a couple times a few years ago. Just because I thought it was interesting. I'm like, you've got to tell me about this. Jesus already came back and now we're living in some weird age of deception. It's perplexing. It's just a new layer of the awesome realm that is here because it's not something we were told. are taught growing up. Grandma, everybody taught you, Jesus is on his way.

You know, is this more you want to be when Jesus comes back? And to think all of the cool shit that we didn't do, thinking that Christ was just around the corner, but perhaps he's already come and gone and we could have gotten away with some dope shit as youths. Well, and it's funny because the whole idea of this overlaps greatly with the whole Tartaria thing. And what they think is a missing, you know, thousand years.

If you look into some of the more conspiratorial corners of the Internet and the podcasting realm, they firmly believe history's been manipulated, and it's a set of lies agreed upon. And I'm definitely on that boat to a degree. I don't know how far, because we have no idea of knowing how much it's been manipulated. But it is funny that the good guys always win.

As far as the history books are concerned, the good guys always win. Every time, how remarkable. Yes. And whoever wins gets to tell the story of whatever they want, and we've talked about it before, that the pyramids don't have inscriptions showing how they were built. They show inscriptions showing how they were found and dug out.

So they existed already and then were found. And when you look at some of the buildings, because a lot of this has to do with the architecture, a point at some of the architecture, especially the narratives that go into the time periods, the tools available, when power tools were available, the populations of the towns that were allegedly doing this incredible craftsmanship and that just everybody in the town was a craftsman and had to be laying a certain amount of stone for a ridiculous amount of, time and even AI, we can just throw it in here, has a tough time sticking to the narrative, because you ask it these questions of, okay, if these materials were available, this is the

narrative, would this be possible? And AI's like, absolutely not. Like this, you can't do that at all. This is silly. So, but this narrative repeats time and time and time again, and this is part of Mary and I's actually our anniversary now tradition is to go around to these different really cool little small towns anywhere you are, guys. You can find something like this that's fairly bizarre that will make you ask more questions than the presented narrative. And Mary and I go to do this. We look at these things and they're very interesting when you get out there. Yeah, the architecture is a big part of it and how we seem to have lost the ability to make these fantastic, you know, cathedrals in, and there's a big, that's a whole sidebar debate about what the cathedrals actually were,

were they, you know, actually churches, like they spent that much time for a church? Or was it something a little more interesting and thought-provoking? But, again, These are all thought experiments, people. You don't have to believe it. And when we think about it, we think about these grand buildings and look at them, but then, again, the argument was is that the narrative because of the people at the time, the thing the historical victors have told us, the ones who wrote the story, said, this is how they were built. But when we look at it and see that that doesn't jive, it makes you ask more questions and offers more opportunities.

And in my mind, this gives us the same excitement that the breakaway civilization does, this idea of higher knowledge, this greater amazing civilization that we perhaps come from and are entropied out of. And maybe the whole reason is because of this cyclical nature of the realm like you're talking about here. Yeah. The phrase itself, Little Season, like I said, comes from Revelation 20. In this chapter, it's almost like a theological Rorschach test. It's open to interpretation. Some people see a penis. Other people see a horse. I mean, it's, and not literally, obviously. I don't think there's any penises in Revelation 20. But yeah, a lot of how you interpret it is really dependent on what you already believe about history and time and God's relationship to power and whether you believe in God or not.

I mean, there's so many things that can color it. And that's not just for Revelation. That's the entire Bible. That's basically every text ever that's open to interpretation like that. So, but John of Patmos, who wrote Revelation, he writes of Satan being bound for a thousand years, unable to deceive the nations. And this would be Christ's thousand year reign on earth. And there's varying, you know, debates on that, too, about whether it's a physical kingdom on earth where Jesus returns and is literally God of this world and the ruler of this world. And that's where people tie in the Tartaria idea is that that thousand years. years that was supposedly removed from history is the thousand-year reign of Christ. And after that, Satan is loose for what the Bible says is a little season. And so the cover-up of that thousand years is apparently because Satan's like, oh, we're going to wipe that away. We can't let people

know that this happened. So we're going to, you know, just wipe that from the history books. Yeah. So, but yeah, during this thousand-year period, Christ reigns, martyrs are vindicated and justice, at least temporarily, is established, but then comes the twist, Satan is released. And not forever, not triumphantly, just briefly. There's another debate point. Why? And the Bible doesn't clarify that. Like, Jesus returns and rules for a thousand years just so he can let Satan out again. So what's the, I thought that that was the ultimate thing, is Christ returning and everything's good and groovy. Why would you then let Satan out to deceive the for a little season. I can't wrap my head around why that's a thing. I don't get it either. And same thing. And

a lot of households, even Christian homes, males and females, mothers, fathers, all of these people will be divided on pre-tribulation or post-tribulation rapture folk, meaning that are they going to get yeated out of their body or their body going to get yeated up into the sky before Jesus comes down? And then they loosen all the beasts and they start breaking the seals and all those kind of things. Or you're going to do the work during the tribulation and then go up after it kind of depends and i'll say that most males inherently will kind of view it as well we're going to do the work and then go up after and the girls are kind of like all right well let's just get the fuck out of here before the shit hits the fan males still kind of have this psychological component too that we've still got work to do we're

going to be back here we're going to be strong we're going to put on the armor of god and we're to go kick some demons asses right right and it's an interesting psychology the whole thing as well why the damn question man why why would god do this why would he but he loves you right why would he do this it's it's perplexing it doesn't i'm lost for the i guess competency of thought to sit and logically look at it from the perspective we have because we don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that this place is ruled by this egotistical weirdo that throws these odd curveballs resets, demons, lets this demon out for a little bit. But then everything was cool.

Oh, but you weren't in that time. You're in this time now. And again, it adds so much to the psychology. What did we do wrong to be here at this time if this is what happened? Why didn't we hang out with Jesus? Or did we choose to come back down here and hang out and just make shit dope through this process, knowing that we're here to make this place a bit better? I don't know, man, it's gnarly either way.

The whole thing is weird, really weird. Yeah. And I mean, there's so many, kind of like, the last segment I did in the Gulf Free 6, I've had to kind of piecemeal this together and draw from several different sources and I do I'm going to link down to some book

sources at the bottom of the notes. If anybody wants to look into this further, there's plenty of podcast and stuff out there too, but you can, if you want a hard copy book, there's a couple suggestions I have. One is for this argument and one by Ed Mayberry that

and if you're not familiar with Ed Mayberry super smart guy and he did into this and he's very academic about it. And he kind of has his counter argument. He's not ad hominem or anything. He's really interesting. So if you want to see both sides of this argument, I'll link to those books

in the notes. But so there's a Greek phrase McCron that basically suggests something short, constrained, and also notably permitted, which is the key thing here that God's permitting this. So The text does not explain why the release happens.

And again, that's a sticking point, only that it does, and that deception returns at astonishing speed. Nations gather again for rebellion. Old lies find new listeners. This silence, this refusal to explain, creates a vacuum. And centuries of interpretation have rushed into that vacuum. So where we're going to start out here is the early Christian thought on this. Is it literal, symbolic, or date? dangerous. The earliest Christians didn't agree on what revelation meant. And obviously that hasn't

really changed much, but they agreed on one thing that it was volatile. In the first three centuries, something called millenarianism. Nailed it. Big word. Thank you, mouth. The belief is that a literal thousand-year reign of Christ on earth was widespread. So most people believe that that was going to be happening. Figures like Papius and Justin Martyr seemed comfortable imagining a concrete future kingdom followed by a final conflict. But even early on, the discomfort crept in. The idea that Satan could return after being defeated raised some troubling questions. Was God's victory incomplete?

Was evil just intrinsic to creation itself? By the time Augustine wrote the city of God in the 5th century, the tone kind of shifted dramatically. Augustine rejected a literal millennium altogether for him the thousand years, the present church age, beginning with Christ's resurrection. Satan was already bound in the sense that he could no longer stop the spread of the gospel. The little season then was not a distant future event, but a brief period of intensified deception just before the end of history. This interpretation was kind of the dominant Western Christianity idea for over a thousand years, but the idea never fully settled. So as we get into the Middle Ages, Satan's old season became.

came less of a theological timeline and more of a psychological and social explanation. So plagues, wars, schisms, you know, political upheaval, all these things, natural disasters. They were often interpreted as signs that Satan was loosening his grip and testing the faithful kind of a Job situation. You know, let me tempt this guy and he'll curse your name. And God goes, all right. For real, for real, fan. go test them. Which is what do you want out of your Messiah, right?

You want this. You want your Messiah to go ahead and approve the most evil thing. It's adversary to go out and just have its way with you, with you, with the information you have now, with the unexplained nature in which you are being judged. It's all good. Thank you, Messiah. Thank you. Yes.

Appreciate the testing. Just so that we can then later die and live on streets of gold, which sounds awful. I feel loved, truly loved. So then we get to the Reformation and Martin Luther. Martin Luther believed he was living near the end of history. And this is something we see over and over and over again. There's always an apocalyptic something coming, whether it's Y2K, whether it's 2020, whether it's 2012 is another one.

Oh, yeah. Y2K, did anything go tits up for you? Did you guys do anything for it? I actually vividly remember Y2K because my parents were like, I don't think anything's going to happen, but maybe we'll get some bottled water. I'm like, cool, we'll be set. Thanks, Mom and Dad.

Great job. Well done on the provisions. No, but I remember exactly where I was. I was playing Mario 64 with some friends and my brother, and the clock clicked over to midnight, and we all just kind of sat there and then kept playing Mario. That's how exciting it was. for me. You just had the game running.

There's people that balls out though. There was, I mean, there's always been preppers, but Y2K was one of those ones where people really went crazy and were building bunkers, which I don't hate. I would love to have a bunker just so I can go down there and be away from everything. I could see it as just a man cave. It's just an escape, but as an excuse, honey, look at the world, right? Oh my God, apocalypse all around. Yeah, same with us. We went and New Year's Eve Party of the folks wanted us all together. I had my first beer with my dad that night. And the owner the home went outside and while we were all counting down till midnight he went to the electrical panel and shut it off right at midnight so it went completely black on everybody in the house

it's good it was actually really good well no we had a uh a windows 95 computer this is uh we probably had that same computer for about five years because i think we got it in 95 and i did it i'm stupid young teenager me i was like let's see what happens if we click the clock on this computer over to midnight on the year 2000 and see if anything happens. And of course, nothing did. I never thought, even at my young age, I was like, I didn't think anything was going to happen because what does a clock have to do with? The whole thing was so stupid in retrospect that everyone was like, why did everybody think

something crazy was going to happen? So dumb. So dumb. For those of you, maybe going with the fuck of these guys talking about, Y2K was around the year from 99 into 2000, that new year, there was a huge, I'm not going to called a sya up, but there was a huge scare that was running around the news outlets and everything that whenever the clocks rolled over to 2000, the banks hadn't thought about this and hadn't prepared the infrastructure for this. And therefore, everything was going to reset,

collapse, all geosynchronous orbit, satellites, all these things would then collapse because no one thought to roll the thing over to a second digit, a two instead of a one. And this nonsense, right? And so everybody lost their shit. It's almost the equivalent of thinking that a run on toilet paper is going to save you from an invisible floaty thing in the sky. It's really funny how they keep testing the they keeps testing the waters here and Satan's little season seems to be popping back up and proving itself once and once again with the outstanding citizens that continue to show up for these things. Thank you guys. We're doing better. That's actually the reason I like this idea in theory is because it's, it makes, it does wrap it up in a

nice box this whole age of deception we seem to be living in where everything's fake and gay and you just can't trust what you see it's just getting worse with AI like the the AI videos with SORA coming out it's just you can't even believe anything you see anymore I love it so much ever could but now it's even harder and yeah if you're out of toilet paper um just go out on your grass and do it like a ass race like a dog like you don't have you don't need paper to flush down the toilet you can use the three sea shells there's so many options he doesn't know that the sea shells are four. Yeah, you just do the truffle across the carpet. You'll be good to go. Yeah. You want an ass race, don't you?

So what I was getting back to, though, is these apocalyptic predictions are nothing new. We have the the Halbop Comet and the Heaven's Gate cult. Oh, yeah. There's so many of these, and it seems to come around every couple years where this date, this is going to happen. And I gave up on listening to these types of people very long ago because not only because nothing ever happens, but because I don't believe people who set dates for things like this.

It's the old adage that you respect somebody searching for truth, but reject the people who claim to have found it, that kind of idea. I like that. So Martin Luther, he believed he was living near the end of history and he spoke of Satan as active, cunning, and especially invested in corrupting the church from within, which you'd think Satan would be, that'd be his jam, right? For Protestants, though, the little season often meant Rome.

And Rome's obviously a massive historical empire that a lot of people think never actually went away, that Rome just kind of rebranded. Like the Nazis. And we're actually living in Rome now, the Roman Empire. But for Catholics, obviously, this was heresy. Each side accused the other of being instruments of Satan's final deception. Revelation became a battlefield text. Its imagery repurposed for polemic, not patience. So, and of course, this is how these organized religions, this is what happens, is that it becomes a battlefield,

becomes a dividing point because people interpret it differently. And then if you don't believe what they believe or you don't believe how I believe, then you're cut off and you're heretical. And I'm going to live my whole life like that, which just seems ridiculous to me. Which, if I may, same. I'm just planting seeds of thought here. We're just talking, right? But if your God's got to leave it up to interpretation, if your God has to leave it up to you, to figure it out, you are your god.

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there are two verses that we can go over here that may prove that the devil is the author of the Bible. And there's another, this actually has inspired me to cover something else in a future episode. I've already got it noted actually, so it's funny that you're bringing this up that has to do with Rome. So John 3-8 through 11, you belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. The devil is a sinner. Now, the Bible goes on to list all of God's accomplishments with killing 10,000 babies in Exodus,

and killing 42 young men for making fun of a fat friar and all these other things. Then we get down to Revelation 12, 9 through 11, which just simply reads, the devil deceives the whole world. So if you take the John 3, 8 through 11, that the devil is a sinner, and the devil was the murderer from the beginning, and you do the kill count of what's called Satan or the adversary in the Bible, and then God overtly, God's at 2.4 million kills, something like that. And then you have Satan who allegedly is anywhere from 0 to 11. So if we're going murder and kill count here, sinner from the beginning, the liar, deceive the whole world, that's what I would think would be the best thing the devil could do. Not that argument that to convince everybody he didn't exist. It would be to convince everybody to praise him as if he were, because then all you're doing is throwing energy to God.

You're not being specific. Maybe it is the devil, and you just don't know that. Right. And this is not to cast aspersions on anybody. Please stay with me on this. We're critically thinking here. Yeah, this is not, I mean, I wouldn't myself call myself a Christian, but I like the teachings of Jesus. The Old Testament God seems like a different entity entirely than Jesus' dad.

I agree. They seem diametrically opposed in the way they approach things. And you've got the Hegelian dialect of it all as well, this idea of problem reaction solution. You have the Old Testament God just murking everybody. You have the reaction, which is everybody hates this and things suck. Then you have the solution, which is him bringing Jesus in in the New Testament, and then everything's cool. If we zoom out a little bit, like you said, 30,000 feet or so, maybe 10,000 would do it, we can see that that same dude did all that shit.

So if he could have sent the dude to save you in the beginning and not killed all the babies and sent the bears and shit, then why didn't he just do that? What kind of God is fucking with you through this process? And to what end? Now, there may be some amazing sensei end to this, is an amazing ninja type of a thing, but the idea that this, this is the thing you've got to be suck in the dick of or else is silly to me. Intellectually, emotionally, all of it.

I've done my best to connect with that God. Raised in the Baptist and all that just didn't, hadn't yet. We'll put it that way. Right. No, and that's the thing is I have a really hard way to explain my theology or my personal, you know, relationship with what we call creator or God. And nobody needs to. show for a different day. Right. If you want, and nobody even needs to you, which is the best part, too. It's this controlling mechanism that's overt and out there. If you've got to be told what God is, it's probably got a mechanism behind it to control you in some bit, at least to restrict something about your get something out of you. Right. I don't have a problem with God, Jesus, or the Bible or anything. I have a problem with the interpretations that are forced down our necks by other humans. That's my main problem. Yeah, and you guys interpret all you want, but those interpretations shouldn't.

spill out and negate the freedoms of others, meaning their freedom of privacy, their freedom of choice, their freedom of religion, all of those things. That's the point is live your life, but you guys go do it over there if you're going to be dickheads about it. Yeah, basically, and this isn't to sound

Crowley in, but do your thing, just don't hurt other people, especially children. I mean, that's a pretty, that's what Jesus taught to, basically. I think it's pretty simple. Love your neighbor, love yourself, love God. have a blast. This is a

fun realm to be in. It's beautiful. And, you know, so that's why I don't really subscribe to the Gnostic idea that it's a prison planet or Yeah. It's... Or that were, the archons are sucking or lushe, even though it does seem like it, I think that's up to you, but...

Maybe the archons have to do with Satan's little season. And maybe it is a temporary thing, and maybe it is occurring, which is where a power's restricted at, but also we sort of perhaps signed out for that. That's what's fueling Satan, these little sentinel, gargol, top little sucker things that are sucking on, you know, the fuel of this place, it is making us stronger. If you don't contribute

to it, it makes you stronger. And the things you see that make your stomach hurt make you stronger as well, because you don't stand for them anymore. Right. I like the idea that Earth is a school of sorts or some kind of advanced academy for your soul or, you know, whatever. But that's, that's involving reincarnation and the fact that consciousness is non-local. Yes, I said the fact, because that's where I'm at right now. Mm, bold. So this is a key shift, though, during the Reformation. that Satan's little season stops being merely future and starts being diagnostic. If your enemy is winning, Satan must be loose. And that logic kind of never left.

So we get up into closer to the modern era, the 19th and 20th centuries brought something new. Precision. So this is when the rise of dispensationalism came about. And this is the general fundamentalist Christian idea. It was popularized by people like John Nelson Darry. Harvey and later the Schofield reference Bible, which is very, the Schofield reference Bible is a, uh, leans a bit Zionist. Hmm.

And that's where you get a lot of the modern day Christian Zionist. Oh. So Satan's little season became a clearly defined future event, neatly slotted after a literal millennial reign. So in this, this idea, this framework, Christ return, this is how it goes kind of, Christ returns, the millennium begins, Satan is bound, peace reigns. then shockingly, humanity rebels one last time. This interpretation emphasizes human depravity.

Even under perfect conditions, people will choose rebellion when deception is reintroduced. And we're kind of rebellious by nature as humans, which, you know, it's good. You question everything. That's kind of, and the Bible does say rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, so don't ask questions, just do what you're told. What does that sound like? That sounds like authoritarianism, totalitarianism, all the things we're kind of in right now. right exactly we're going to talk about why the bible sounds like that very soon and keep in mind guys that there are thousands of christian denominations estimated around 45,000 globally and they all

disagree with each other at least on a few points but jesus has your back i'm certain of it well yeah my god's the right god's the right one yeah uh i actually like the old i think it was rome actually weirdly that did they had these of these statues or something to all their gods but they didn't want to leave anybody out so they had one to the unknown god and i think that's my god i don't think we know his name i don't think we know and you can't wrap your head around god that's like trying to tell an ant calculus you know you can't it's never going to understand it and i think that's how god is too that's why i choose to call whatever that is whoever created all this whoever's the coder of the matrix, that's probably the one who's in charge of stuff because he made it.

Just an idea. Do you think that you could be that coder in here, coding it from the inside, like you created it, and then wiped your memory and hopped in here, and everything here is just guiding and directing you to remembering that? Well, that is another fun theory, too, is that people are just fractalized versions of God. So it's like a diamond with many facets where you're all one thing, but everybody's got a different, a different perspective and that's really popular actually is the idea that we're all we're all one and that we're all just living all the every possible iteration of a life so that we can

have every experience possible which explains for uh why good things happen to bad people it's because we signed up for it to experience that so we can experience everything and that gets way out there in left field but i like yeah it's solipsism and it's an interesting one, but it also raises a lot of philosophical questions for me personally, because do I want to be all of the characters in the realm, or what I like to just float through one as a central character, knowing that all these other characters exist and then interact with those as I choose, rather than being this sort of, well, you got to play all the characters. Well, what the fuck? Why would you sign up for Grand Theft Auto to then play all the hookers that you punched as well? It doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, and these are obvious counter arguments to a lot of these ideas.

Yeah. Now we get to alternative theories is the little season right meow. Not everyone places the little season in the future. Some theologians, especially within preterist or partial preterist frameworks. And if you want to know what that is, it gets in the weeds with how people identify, oh, I'm partial preterist or I'm full preterist or whatever. So these people argue that Satan's release already occurred, perhaps around the collapse of Christian unity, the rise of secular modernity or the ideological bloodshed of the 20. the 20th century, think, well, I mean, the crusades happened before that, but yeah, anyway. Allegedly. And it's interesting to note that the Statue of Liberty is a representation of this, that it's actually Lucid for it, it actually looks way more male than it does.

There are many Statue of Liberties all over the globe. It's not even just to hear the U.S. That's just the most popular one. And then you have the foot, which has the chain around it, which is broken. Right. So that's the whole point is that it's a representation. So allegedly, that's what tells us that we're in the little season. There's a lot of people that think the Statue of Liberty is actually a statue of Apollo. Yeah, there you go. Or some other Greek gods. But others see it as cyclical rather than linear. Moments in history where deception intensifies, truth fragments, and power centralizes.

Which is why it's so popular right now. In this reading, The Little Season is not about Satan escaping chains, but about humanity inviting deception. The binding was real, the release is permitted, and the clock is always ticking. So this is kind of where we get into the Tartarian hypothesis, and I know this horse has been beaten to a pulp in the last few years. If you're in any of these realms of alternative thought, this has been a big thing for the last couple years. And I hate calling it Tartarian because it's such a overused and just bastardized kind of term. And people go nuts with it. Trust me.

Just do a Google search on Tartaria. you'll find every crazy person on the internet talking about it. Not that it's all crazy. I just think it's misguided, maybe. I think that history is quite manipulated in that there's questions that are unanswered to me. To this day, this gets into the world fairs. There's a lot of things in the 1800s that are very odd to say the least. Very odd.

That's totally different shows. There's plenty of shows out there on it. So I'm going to gloss over this idea. But if you haven't heard of it, in recent decades, an entirely different interpretation has emerged, not from seminaries or councils, but from Internet researchers, University of YouTube, independent historians, and alt-history communities. So this view suggests that Satan's little season is not merely theological, but historical camouflage. So a lot of the, a lot of this little season idea is based on, uh, presuppositions and assumptions. Mm-hmm. But they do have a lot of good points when they point to some of these things.

So, uh, according to the theory, the so-called Tartarian Empire often depicted on old maps as stretching across vast portions of Eurasia and beyond. And that is true. There's old maps that say grand tartary or in, we're not taught about that in school, which is I think one of the, you know, the jumping off points for a lot of conspiracy-minded people is that why aren't we taught about this? We're also not taught about Starforts. There's a rabbit hole for you. Go look up Starforts. What the hell is that? That is a badass rabbit hole. We will have to do it, man. But you look up also the Tartaria. What's interesting is you're finding it all over in old books. And so like you said, the fact that it's been hidden and scrubbed away, not even well makes it's two things. Number one, it makes you ask. But number two, is that done on purpose? Was that,

scrubbed and knowing that it would of course become relevant soon. And then that lead to, again, another bigger picture of what we're exploring here, which is that this realm is absolutely not what we've been told it was. One of my favorites is the Great Wall of China. The Great Wall of China, allegedly, the towers on it, the fortification so that you're keeping something out of is on the China side. So they were keeping the Chinese out of that northern Mongolia stretching over into Russia area. And if that's the case, that's exactly on all. maps that that alleged to Tartaria was at. Tartia? That's allegedly where it was at. And so it's just interesting when you start

looking at this stuff that maybe China found the damn thing and said, no, yeah, this is our wall. We built it. But really, again, it's another case of that we found it. It was already here. So we had to come up with a story to suit the narrative that we're offering now. Right. So the proponents of this idea argue that Tartaria represented the literal thousand-year reign of Christ, like I mentioned earlier. It was a Christian golden age of peace, advanced architecture, and divine law. So in this framework, the millennium already happened as of today, and Satan's little season is now. The theory proposes that following this millennial reign, Satan was released for a short time and immediately set about deceiving the nations,

not only spiritually, but historically. Rather than attacking openly, deception took the form of narrative control. And we see that with the mockingbird media. We see that. We see that, I mean, the media itself is just... If you're listening to it, it's lying to you. Don't get me started. So the rewriting of timelines would be included in this, the destruction of records, the reframing of Tartaria as a vague, primitive footnote

rather than a global civilization. These massive cathedrals, the star forts, and ornate architecture, often dated ambiguously attributed to lost craftsmanship, are interpreted as physical remnants of this millennial kingdom. And then you get into mud floods, orphan trains, all these weird things that, you know, supposedly happened around the 1800s. And sudden population resets. Or, and you get into the cabbage patch baby or the cabbage patch.

Dude. That's, again, every single thing I'm mentioning right here is its own rabbit hole. I'm trying to kind of bring all of it together into one cohesive idea with this little season thing. You're doing great. So from this perspective, though, the phrase, quote, he will deceive the nations, takes on a chillingly literal meaning. Deception is not just moral or theological. It's archival.

History itself becomes the battlefield. There's revisionist historians all over the place that go into a lot of these things. And I'm just, again, glossing over it. There's plenty of content out there if you're interested in this. Do you write that? History itself becomes the battlefield? Did I? Well, in my notes, yeah.

Yeah, beautiful. It was just really well crafted, dude. That was awesome. I'm pointing it out. I'm a much better writer than a speaker. So I got to write my writings out and then try to... Scorpio. I have time to think about it when I'm writing, not when I'm talking.

Very excellent. It was just a great line. So this interpretation resonates pretty strongly with modern distrust of institutions, which has only increased in the last few years, if you haven't been paying attention. So if Satan's final strategy is deception, what better victory than convincing humanity it never lived under Christ's rule at all? Critics rightly point out the lack of primary evidence, the speculative leaps, and the tendency to connect unrelated phenomenon. As they would. But supporters counter that absence of evidence is itself the evidence, especially if the deception is as total as revelation implies.

Whether one accepts or rejects the Tartarian, you know, that whole thing, as popularity shows something crucial, many people sense that history feels edited, flattened or safe. And I would say sanitized being the key word here. It's kind of whitewashed. And like I said, the good guys always win. And I don't know how you could even argue. When people talk about history books or, you know, this definitely happened 200 years ago, I can never be sure of that. Yes, sometimes there's pictures, but it's just a dude writing things down and saying, trust me bro, this is what happened.

And then it gets put into all the history books. And it's like, okay, I didn't see that though. I don't know if that actually happened. And that's kind of a linchpin for the rest of this story, whatever you're looking into, is this basic thing. So if that's untrue, that means everything else beyond that is built on this assumption that this first thing was true. And that's kind of how science works too, especially in modernity here. We have theories, stacked on theories, stacked on theories, and then we say the science is settled. So what?

Yeah, gravity is one of those. When the first theory is built on a faulty premise and you build everything else out over that, it doesn't make all of it untrue. It just means that it's flawed. So to say that something is settled when it's built on theories or hypotheses, hypotheses? hypothesisi? It's just something to pay attention to. That's all I'm saying. It's a beautiful point to make. And then the question is, is that if it's all just storytelling and everyone believes it, is it true? Is it real? Because then we look at the idea that if everybody believes it, that's what they're seeing. That's what they're calibrating their RAS to pay attention to, to highlight, and to reinforce. And then also we look at the idea of Tulpas and all these gods and Satan himself may be. All of this. Egregors. Maybe it's all just, if you tell it enough, that's what's going to be created because we are the creators here. And all it takes is for something to whisper in your ear if you're listening to create that thing instead. And this seems to be the season that's what we all signed up for if that's the case. And it definitely seems to be apparent around here. Now, I will say this. If his deception was supposed to be total, it missed a few, man. Did you think he kind of did a shit job and that maybe he's going to need to take some notes for the next little season? and do a little bit better because, and it seems like either this is part of it,

meaning the awakening, like we're all awakening up because it took quite a while to get us all here. But it also seems like that maybe he's not that good at it because they leave a ton of clues. Allegedly the World Wars were to bomb out all the old Tartarian shit. But if you go down to Australia, there's a ton of questionable buildings down there, almost like they figured nobody'd make it out that far and just left it. It seems like clues have been left on purpose. So again, it doesn't seem as total as predicted. No, I mean, it's Satan.

He's kind of shit at doing his job. Yeah, fucking cocked it up. So to go back a little bit, though, and this is a big point that the Little Season theorists point to, a point that they point to, a point that they point at with their pointer fingers. Well spoken, Joe, good job. You're doing great. So we're going back to 70 AD. This is a big part of the idea.

So when Roman legions under Titus breached Jerusalem, they didn't just conquer a rebellious province. They erased the gravitational center of the biblical universe. Kind of a big deal. The temple was not merely a national shrine. It was the meeting place of heaven and earth. That's what they actually thought. Like this is the point where God with us, Emmanuel, like that temple. It's the axis around which covenant sacrifice, calendar, and identity revolved.

Jesus's prophecy that not one stone would be left upon another would have sounded impossible to his listeners, at the time at least. The temple had survived empires. It was thought to be impenetrable, like nobody's touching this thing. But within a generation, it was gone. Josephus, the famed historian, describes famine so severe that mothers turned on their own children. Factions murdering one another inside the city while Rome watched from without. fire consumed gold and marble alike, and when the smoke cleared, the sacrificial system, central to the law of Moses, was simply kaput, over. The theological shock could not be overstated. Judaism had to reinvent itself without priesthood or altar.

Christianity, though, still defining itself, was forced to reckon with a Messiah who had predicted catastrophe rather than political victory. Prophecy had been fulfilled, but not in the way anyone unexpected. This moment fractures interpretation again. Some see 7080 as the fulfillment of Jesus' apocalyptic language, the true end of the age that he spoke of. Others argue it was a shadow, a warning, or a pattern rather than the finale. Either way, something profound happens here. God allowed a sacred center to be destroyed. Again, permitted. That precedent lingers if the temple could fall publicly, violently, and permanently, then history itself is no way. longer anchored to monuments, meaning becomes portable, memory becomes contested, and prophecy

becomes vulnerable to reinterpretation. And now we get to kind of back to the modern age, the age of managed reality, and I always say this with, especially the media, don't get started, is that it's all about perception management. It's not really about what's actually going on. Yes, there are true things that the media reports and true stories, things that, actually happened, but it's less about that. It's more about the messaging that goes along with it and the steering people into a certain state of mind. And you see that with recent events, definitely not going to get political about it, but there's manufactured outrage, I think, is the term, where you're hit with something over and over and over again so that you're told, you know, if you're on this

side or that side, you have to be mad about this or you're not one of us. Divide and conquer. Be mad about this, the other side's mad about this, okay, now fight. That's if you're subscribed to those ideas. Yes, that is the narrative. But the best news is, is the duality that's tossed at everyone as the only two options is horseshit. Just like most things here, it is horseshit. So there's a third door at least, which is just disabludged that reality altogether and doing whatever the hell you want instead. And you're going to find so much more empowering opportunities and experiences in that direction. I guarantee. Another great one that you pointed out is even the disclosure movement I'm holding on bare quotes.

That is presented a certain way in the media with generals, with five star, with them getting to a part that we all want to know the answer to and them going, oh, but that's classified. Giggling, giggling in your face, as you, the taxpayer, do not get information to what he knows, but will not say. Horshit. Absolute horseshit. And so, again, to you, sir, I agree that that narrative focus, perception, massaging of the truth, that whole nasty, slippery little looking at you through the box, the tell-live vision, I'm

done with it, man, it ain't for us and there's nothing good for us there, except to see how the game is being played and then perhaps just to go past, man, no thanks. I'm really glad I cleaned out that little drawer in my kitchen with all the batteries and scissors and shit in it instead of watching that. I got stuff done. I made shelves today. I was productive. I don't even know what's going on in the world. I know what's going on in my world, which is all that matters. You could call that putting your head in the sand, but it's less putting your head in the sand and more acknowledging these things and going, I'm not taking part of that. It's the Mark Twain quote. He applied it to newspapers, but he said those that read the newspapers are misinformed. Those

that don't read newspapers are uninformed. But what are you being informed of? You're being informed of something that a narrative that they want you to know and that participate in and be emotional about. So therefore, are you informed? You've just got to choose your distractions at that point. What do you want to know? So that brings me to the modern world here. Deception would rarely show itself as straight up falsehood because that's easy to see, right? It's more of a curation of reality and, you know, carefully crafted. It could be 99% true. It's that 1% falsehood that gets mixed in that really causes the confusion because then people fight about that 1% within something that actually happened. Think about high impact events. We've had a couple of those this last year.

And they, whether the whole story is true or not is less important than the reason that people fight about that event. Yeah. Because it's like, okay, this one thing happened, but people are looking at different camera angles or doing, you know, whatever. And they're fighting about these little, they're splitting hairs on these little things. And I get it. That's our nature. That's what we do. and it's fine as long as it's an open and honest debate or, you know, an adult conversation, which seems to be highly lacking, especially on the internet. If you go outside and talk to somebody, it's, the internet seems real fake, real quick. Real fake. Like those dogs that are barking at each other and they're all pissed off and then you open the door that's separating them and they just immediately are silent and then they end up hanging out.

They're buddies. Then you close the gate again. Yeah, they're right. Fuck you, fuck you. Yeah. I love those videos. Keyboard warriors. Absolutely. Yeah. So this is an important point, though. Algorithms decide what is seen and not seen. Institutions decide what is remembered. Technology mediates nearly every experience of reality from relationships to history itself. And culturally, truth has become fragmented to an astonishing degree. Everyone has access to information, sure, but no framework for wisdom. The result is not ignorance, but paralysis. an inability to tell what matters most. Technologically, memory has been externalized. Think cloud servers.

We no longer remember. We retrieve, and this is painfully true. I mean, I have a 13-year-old, and it's so weird that, I can't remember who said it, but people are really, like, proud of their ignorance because they know that they can just look it up on Google, or so that there's no direct experience, There's no remembering something.

It's, oh, I remember the last time I looked this up. But if you think about the idea of digital book burning, where things on the internet can be changed at the drop of a hat, there's no solid framework to work from when you're, especially with history, but with anything else either, you think definitions of words being changed constantly. Dude, I've got some of those for the, I've got some of these for the extension here.

Dude, outstanding. This is so funny. That color is how people see everything. When you're changing the very definition of a word to fit whatever is going on at the time, that silos people into these confirmation bias echo chambers that they're like, no, this is what this word means, and this is why I'm mad at Nazis or whatever, whatever you're at wherever you're at this. Anyway. I'd say that you're adding attention to it.

If you're sitting there looking at it, if a toddler's throwing a tantrum and you're sitting there going, oh my God, what can I do for you? Oh my God. And giving it clicks and likes and filming it and putting it online. Like this metaphorical toddler just throwing a tantrum that's got nothing real to contribute to your life. It's not even your kid. But you've got to sit there and watch this thing because it's so loud and noisy. If that's all that it takes to get your attention, then it's easy.

This is why we can look around and see how well Satan's done, despite his laxadaisical effort. It didn't take much, really. if you look at it in the grand scheme because of the programming. But again, I think our generation, you and I are in this sweet spot because we know how to do practical things. We couldn't just look everything up. But then also, we're not being fooled by AI just yet like our folks are. So you have the younger generation that does not really have a retention or ability to flex

the muscle of memory and recall and to connect things more than just to looking it up. And then you have our folks who are just convinced that a little squirrel can be bloomed out of a cupcake, and then that's real. And then you look at those two generations on either side of us, and this isn't those entire generations, by the way. We're just casting a wide net here. But then you look at those and you say, okay, well, what's the next move with this? My parents are always forgetting their passwords and not knowing how to get into their shit, so they're past king stuff. Your son in that age range is always just simply looking things up on their phone. So my prediction here, if I may just make a prediction, and I'm not going to do it with a date on it, I'm just going to say, if we're reading the room here,

I'm going to say that this is going to be the easy next step to getting technology integrated into the human body. Number one, because of the lost element of it, it's inseparable from most people anyhow. And number two, this idea of biometric access will give people the ability to bypass the need to remember things because they could just simply have login access to everything all the time. It's going to be an easy sell, and I'm going to say it's going to be very, very cheap, if not absolutely free. So that's my call. That's my prediction. I'm a victim or willing participant of all that too. It's the smartphone thing ever since it came out.

It's like, oh, you don't have to remember anything. You can just save it and it'll be there next time, which is great. But this is where convenience replaces discernment. And the moral language survives, think virtue signaling, but moral weight is completely gone. So the words are there, but the actual intention or, you know, action behind it is completely lacking. And this is what makes this little season idea so unsettling is that it doesn't look like persecution. It resembles normal life. Yes.

You know, buying, selling, building, planning, all this stuff. And as Jesus warned, it looks like the days of Noah when judgment arrived amid routine. Just normal everyday thing. And all of a sudden, boom. In this light, modern suspicion toward institutions, archives, and official narratives begins to make sense, whether or not one accepts alternative histories, the intuition behind them reflects a deeper anxiety that reality itself is being managed.

So if Satan's final work is deception, the control of the narrative becomes as powerful as control of armies. Absolutely. And that's where you get to Info Wars. I mean, Alex Jones, love him or hate him, he came up with a great name for a show and a website. It really is the new World War III. It's an information war.

It's a perception management war. It's not so much storming a country and taking their oil, but that's part of it. It's like Bob Marley said, free yourself from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds. Rest in peace. He died from a toe injury. A toe is allegedly. Yeah.

It's a fascinating topic, man, and it does make the mind wander. And if you can get out of the, but big daddy's made at me, and that's why I'm here. I'm here and I don't want to be here. Maybe we get done with all this stuff and we treat it like at the end of this like it was a magic show. And we're just like, oh my God, dude, he really got me on a little bit of that. But man, you know, once I got the grew, I started figuring it out. And you know that. Magic show is a good word for it.

I mean, the Maya, right? The illusion. The Hindus of believe that for probably millennia. It's an illusion. We're living in an organic matrix. I remember Sam Tripoli saying that it's a, a, haunted house. Like it's a, everything's, you know, you run through this thing. You chose to be here. You participated. You paid money in this case of the analogy. You walk through this thing. You know

what you're getting into. You're going to be scared. You signed up for that. Your job was to go in and bumble around this darkness and be terrified by these predetermined monsters at these predetermined places. And it's interesting to think of the place like this. Now, Mary my wife, after going through my, what we would call the dark night here, rephrase that thing to call it a fun house, which I would much more agree with. It is a fun house. There might be a terrifying section of it that you feel that way about for a little bit, but after a while, guys, it really does feel like a fun house, especially when you're on the other side of some of these ideas of being so heavily deceived when it is so apparent and obvious. Now, it doesn't make you feel like Neo from the Matrix having

taken the right pill or anything, because again, those are two options still presented by the Matrix. It's much bigger than that. It's you seeing the game as it is and still choosing to shine your life, show up and play it. Yeah. And I like the, so the simulation theory has gained traction a lot too in the last several, I guess the last decade or so, but it's, I like the way a guy named Jordan Crowder puts it, and I think I've mentioned him on the show before, but he he puts it as, yes, it is a simulation, but the physical world is not.

The simulation's all in your head. He calls it the simulator theory. where your brain is simulating reality and that's why it's different to everybody. So there's objective reality, but it's different to everybody because your brain interprets these signals differently. So it's not that, you know, the walls here, my desk is made up of computer code, even though it doesn't kind of resemble that. It's that everything's being rendered in real time and this goes into the observer effect. you know, things are in, I like this idea because he says that it's gotten better because there's more people, there's more bugs. So it's like, does if a tree falls in the forest doesn't make a sound?

Yes, it does because there's probably bugs and other things there to observe it. There's probably a bear standing there. Oh. So it does render, everything's being rendered at once now where, I think he says, whereas it might not have been before because there wasn't as much life. but now there's so much life trillions of times a second observing this whole thing that it is all rendering in real time, whatever that looks like.

And that's an interesting way to achieve a refresh rate, right? And I thought about this, I've heard this when it comes to the simulation that when you blink your eyes, that's the refresh rate of the simulation, really. That's why we blink eyes. We're going to go over a cryptid actually that's lidless, so time may not continue for that thing and the extension here.

Terrifying. But if you do think about it this way, then, yeah, you've got all these miniature observers creating reality from their perspective all around you, which means that you are being created from the observations of all of those creatures as well, as you experience this realm that's being rendered by you, with you, alongside you. Yeah. Very interesting.

Yeah, there's a, and I'll get to my conclusion here soon, but there's a movie me and my wife watched the other day called The Life of Chuck. It is an interesting movie. I think it's Stephen King, so, you know, it's obviously going to be, weird but okay if you don't want spoilers skip forward you know a minute or whatever but shit what do i do if i don't want spoilers oh i won't spoil too much all right go ahead but it's basically that everybody's universe the universe does end all the time but only for that person they be he he basically frames it like your universe is made up of all of your experiences and memories and

all that stuff. So it's your own personal universe. So when you die, that universe in itself dies. Obviously not the real people, but the people in that universe. It's a really weird way, especially the very first part of that. It comes in three parts in that movie. The very first part, super weird. And I loved it because it portrayed all these characters as living, almost like Tulpas, they're living, breathing things in this guy's universe. And then the universe ends in part one, but it's just because the dude dies. And so all these people, they show them going about their lives and things are getting really weird. It looks like the earth is ending. There's all this upheaval. And then the universe literally, the stars start disappearing. And they're all

just out there watching it going, what the hell is going on? The universe is ending. But it's just the universe in his head, if that makes sense. It's really weird. It makes sense from a lot of perspectives because why wouldn't it be that way if this is a subjective reality if it is left up to you if your interpretation is driving this whole thing then it would need to operate that way and especially if we're talking about multi-worlds theory right so if you've got this idea that there are multiple versions of you you are simply another person's version of that character in their reality that goes when they go so therefore that's why you maybe don't have access to any of those memories and past lives and all that stuff because you aren't really there it's the idea of you

you because you exist in this, you're now in their multiverse as well. That's why also you're not necessarily affected, but if somebody close to you has a strong interaction with you through your life experience moves on to the next plane, maybe there is some sort of inherent Tulpa connection between you and all the other multi-universe versions of you, sort of like that the one with Jet Lee when he went around killing all the other versions of himself and then he inherited all the power. Remember that maybe? Yeah, maybe. That's old, right? Silly. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

No, yeah. It was just a good way to look at it where you're in the main, the main quote that stuck out to me was they're reading Walt Whitman, I think maybe. And one of the lines was, I contain multitudes or I contain legions or something like that. And they were trying, they were like philosophizing in the movie about what that meant. And the teacher describes that idea where it's like every memory, every person. every experience you've had is within you. And so that is kind of a quantum relativity type of thing where we are existing in multiple universes at once, but they're all within every other person who's ever met you's world and their version or their perception of you. So anybody who I've ever met, friends I had when I was seven years old or you,

I exist to you in a different way than I exist in my life because this is my experience. I exist in your head as a dude you talk to on the internet, you know? Coolest coworker ever. Yeah. And now we've just opened ourselves up to many more universes with our audience. So that's cool. We'll see how that works out. So is this immortality?

Is this what the deal is? And then could you transfer perhaps your awareness to a younger version of yourself in another universe, if that's the case? And if this is the way that it goes, how do we do that, Joe? Are you interested in that at all? I'm not sure. I'd have to look more into that, maybe meditate, maybe go sit under my tree or something. I don't know yet. Like I said at the beginning, these are all just thought-experienced people, and they're not,

I don't hold really any strictly held beliefs about any of this stuff. It's all just stuff I knock around and keep in my back pocket for later because maybe it'll be relevant at some point. Yeah, it's like pebbles on a beach we find that we think look cool. We're like, oh, that one, that one's pretty cool. I'm going to put that in the old pocket there and walk around with it. And then it turns out maybe to be a piece of a puzzle that connects to something else a little bit later. It's just fascinating because it does invite more questions, not necessarily to follow the narrative through and to say, oh, yeah, because Jesus, this, it just simply goes, you know what, there is some weird-ass architecture running around here. And you know, the official narratives don't really cover it for me.

And yes, there is some interesting gaps in history. And why does that building have a J on it in front instead of a 1? J-895, what's that about? It's all these interesting narratives that don't line up. And this is an interesting way to put the mass deception that could be going on to answer some of this deceptive shit running around here, man. Yeah, again, it's just another piece of the puzzle that if it fits, it fits, if it doesn't, chuck it for now. Yep, yep. So to get to my conclusion on this whole thing, so the little season theorists or supporters, they often point beyond Revelation.

And in Matthew 24, Jesus talks about deception so strong it could mislead even the elect, which is another tangent. Oh, is this determinism? Yeah, right. And then the Apostle Paul warns in 2nd Thessalonians 2 of a great delusion sent so that people will believe a lie. Daniel also describes a final arrogant power that rises briefly, speaks boastfully, and is suddenly destroyed. Hmm. Hmm. Taking together these texts form a pattern that truth prevails, deception returns, and judgment follows.

The critics argue these passages describe persecution or first century upheaval, not a post-victory relapse, which brings us to the objections to this theory, and why the little season idea might be in the stake. And again, I would recommend checking out Ed Mayberry's book, which will be linked. The strongest objection is theological, of course, why would God? God allow evil to resurface after being defeated. Thank you. Some argue the Little Season undermines divine sovereignty. Thank you.

Others say it contradicts the arc of redemption, moving history backward instead of forward. But again, that could be the cyclic thing that I talked about earlier. Still, others warn that obsessing over Satan's release leads to paranoia, moral panic, and constant enemy hunting. Historically, belief in the little season has coincided with witch hunts, authoritarian movement, movements and apocalyptic violence. So if everyone who disagrees with you is evident Satan is loose, then humility becomes impossible. So these are the kind of the pushback to this idea. And despite objections, though, the little season theory keeps returning, especially in

areas of rapid change. And why? Because it explains something deeply human. Like why societies repeat mistakes, why truth can win and still lose, why people who know better still choose worse. And the little season suggests that evil is not merely defeated. It must be resisted again and again and again and again. Victory does not eliminate vigilance.

So whether you see Satan's old season as future past symbolic or cyclical, it forces an uncomfortable thing to think about here. What if the final deception isn't brutality, but familiarity? And what if it doesn't arrive as chaos, but as order, like law and order? Dan Dan. And what if the question of revelation is really asking is not when Satan is released, but why people follow him again at all? And that's probably the most unsettling part of it.

Not that evil returns, but that it's welcomed. And that's, uh, yeah, that's kind of the, in a nutshell, that whole theory. And there's so much more to go into. And I would definitely recommend those books or looking up J.T. follows J.C.'s page. Absolutely. And he comes at it from, he's great dude.

I love to do it. I talk to him a bunch, but he, he could answer more questions. And he doesn't claim to have all the answers either. He's, he's building this together the same way I kind of did where I'm trying to get all angles of it,

which is impossible, obviously, because there's so many theories that I'm probably living out. And there's, there's little details that some of these guys will be able to answer better than, better than I could. But that's my, my rough,

rough shot, you know, compilation of these things. So it's an interesting thing to think about. I did want to mention, I forgot to earlier, that the whole rapture idea, I don't know if people remember back in the, I think, late 90s when the Left Behind series came out. Oh, yeah. If you grew up like I did, you will recall these movies and books very clearly. And it cooked my brain because I was so scared that, oh, my God, I'm going to wake up one day. and people's clothes are going to be on the floor and planes are going to fall out of the sky because people just got yeated right up to heaven and I didn't believe hard enough and now I'm

still here and it's a ridiculous idea. But knowing what we know now about the type of people who are going to be yeated, would you be as upset if that occurred? If all those type folks that thought that way, that voted that way, thought voted mattered, any of those things, those type of people, if they were all just to queef off of the face of the earth, maybe leave their clothes behind. That's fine. We can clean up after them. If that were to happen today, what would you think about that? How would you feel about it? I don't know. I'd be like, wait a minute, what I'd do wrong? But are they following the tunnel of light? Are they getting recycled? A lot of those type of folks are that type of mentality, that traditionalist, it's in a book, so therefore it's got to be true. We've got to follow it to the literal letter, even though there's 45,000 different versions of that literal letter that we need to, only, we picked the right one though, thank God, because we were born here. My mom took me to that church and therefore we were born in the right area.

But if all those folks were to yeat off of the face of the earth, and we were left just with the people who don't believe in that kind of stuff, do you think really that you would feel like you did something wrong? No. Because, again, it's hard to encapsulate the way I think about all these things in one conversation or even several conversations. Oh, God. Yeah.

It's a, I don't think it's as cut and dry or as black and white as the fundamentalist, not just Christians, but just the religious, the real organized religious types see it, because they see it in black and white. And you choose Jesus or you burn forever in hell is ridiculous to me. He loves you, though, Joe. I think the other, what was the other thing I was going to bring up? I don't know, talk for a minute while I think about it. Yeah, no, it's just very interesting.

And I wanted to come back to the cycle. I want to cycle back to your cycles comment. And that is paradise boring? Is this why we go through these Caligas and things like this? If reincarnation is a thing, if we did have access to the J.C.'s VIP party and we hung out for a thousand years, were we at about nine, at about year 999 going, man, this is cool, but I'm kind of bored. Could we release some bedlam in this bitch and kind of make it a little more exciting? Do you think that this is possibly what this is all about?

I mean, maybe. You get bored of paradise. I'm not married to any of these ideas. And I just remembered what I was going to say, too. So the general timeline that we're given, if you grew up Christian, or if you know this story or anything, is that Jesus returns. We all get heated up to heaven in the rapture, which is not mentioned in the Bible. That word's never mentioned. Right.

But the idea of it kind of is there'll be, you know, gone in the tweaked. twinkling of an eye and all this stuff. How, what comes next? And this isn't a question that I've found answered by any of the people who subscribe to this theory. So Jesus comes back, reigns for a thousand years, then Satan's loose for an indetermined amount of time. Little season. To deceive the nations for whatever reason. And then what?

And most of them point to another passage in Revelation I don't have in front of me. at the Battle of Gog and Magog, and that's supposed to be the final one. So even the Little Season people are still kind of being futurist by saying, oh, so we're still looking to the future for this final Armageddon battle, Gog and Magog type of thing. Okay, then what? And at the end of Revelation, he describes the New Jerusalem or the Camp of the Saints or whatever coming down.

Weirdly, it's described as like a cube. Which is weird. Black Cube, perhaps? Maybe. Came from Saturn? The direction of Saturn? Celestial City, the New Jerusalem, coming back, or coming down to Earth, and that's when it's all over, and then we go to heaven forever. But then it also describes a new heaven and a new earth, so the Earth is going to be rebuilt.

Again, sounds cyclic to me. Like, the Earth is reset again. But you got to ask, who's heaven are you signing up for? who's what because there are horrific evil versions of heaven that evil entities would love to see fulfill them from their perspective that's absolute heaven you got to ask these questions who's the god what are the motives what's my relationship to this and if i'm choosing this am i choosing the correct door and if so why is there even a door to be chosen in the first place why can i just not create as i see fit and not subscribe to all this bullshit like why do i have to be a red or a blue

and vote in politics at all. Do I have to subscribe to all the ideas red has if I go that route or the blue has if I go that route or do I need to do any of that bullshit at all? Right. And that kind of goes back to our previous shows on the near-death experiences where maybe death or the afterlife or the transition, whatever your energy in your body transitions to when your physical body dies is what you make it. It's what you aggregate it to be while you're in this body. and then you move on to the next one and you're like, oh, that was weird. Now I'm in this area.

Why is it just a void? Oh, it's because I was an atheist. God damn it. I messed up there. And then you think about, though, in the Bible, what did he say in the void? Let there be light. And all of a sudden, light and form, everything formed.

So then maybe your God in the void discovering that the void's boring as shit, and you were a former atheist. And then you are now the God that spoke reality into existence as the new one that commanded it. By just simply wanting to be out of the void going, Man, it's kind of dark in here. I wish some lights would turn on. Let there be light, somebody, and then poof. Existence.

I love, we've mentioned. I love sci-fi. And Isaac Asimov is one of my favorites. Dude went deep back in the day. And I can't remember the story name. I'll have to get back to you on that. But there's a great story. And it starts out with, like, an idea of AI, or at least his idea back then of

AI. And it basically, he does a cyclic type. of thing where it gets so advanced and humans get so advanced that then they, I can't remember how the whole story, it's really interesting though. It's a really cyclic idea over, over millennia, though, and the whole thing's great. Oh, fuck, I wish I would have looked that up before, but I didn't know that was going to come up, but it's all good. I looked at the Gog and Magog thing, and it's Ezekiel 38 through 39, where the great confederation of nations led by Gog from the land of Magog attacks Israel.

there you go. Hmm. Just to button that up for the nerds, so they're yelling it at your iPod. But yes, that's it in a nutshell, people. And I think that'll pretty much be a wrap for this one. If you're interested in looking more into this, there's a plethora of information on these ideas out there on the inner webs. Take it with a grain of salt. Do your own due diligence and have your own discernment with this.

And if you're not interested in it, then you've got to worry about it at all. Yeah, just do really easy. Yeah, that made it really good. I will link to some of these books in the notes. And why don't you give us a quick teaser on the stories you have coming up in plus? Yeah, we're going to go deep on the Crypto-Zoo-woo here. We're going to discover some hidden creatures hidden in plain sight. One of my favorite quotes about this is from the father of Cryptozoology himself.

This guy named Bernard Whelman's. It's really the study of hidden animals and not unknown animals, as Huelman points out, to those people that live near them, the animals are not unfamiliar. If they were, there would be no native accounts, and we would have never have heard of them. They are, however, undetected by those who would formally recognize their existence and cataloged them. And this is something that we talked about with Bigfoot being he has all these awesome abilities that humanity allegedly used to have in our last plus show that we did, and we lost. But Bigfoot still retains all of these things, and this is why it's hard to get a photo of him.

is why they're so elusive. It's this idea that they don't want to be found and that maybe they possess some really cool natural to some supernatural to other abilities that makes it to where they can just choose to live life as they want. Every now and then we do have these very interesting stories with things like this. And I also think of the old accounts of these massive sea serpents and lake monsters and all these kind of huge turtles. We've got a turtle story in here where it was reported as a shell of 45 feet across and that it was said that you could use the shell of the root, that you could use the shells of these things to roof your house. It's these massive entities like this that were running around the realm allegedly at some

point that where do they go? Do they still exist? The oceans are a mystery. And some of these accounts are terrifying sea creatures that really it's one of those things where absolutely this stuff could be true. What's, what's NASA boast about that we know more about the moon than we do about our own oceans? And there's still a ton of hunt of areas around the realm where these things could be hiding. We're going to cover a few things in West Africa and some locations around that area, but it's going to set us up for our next free show. We're going to talk about another absolutely incredible spot down in South America.

A guy named Ben Tejada Ingram, who the boys have covered on the show before, wrote a really cool book called Kuru Pira, The Hidden Land of Unknown Creatures that inspired Conan Doyle's Lost World. So we're going to talk about a few creatures that are potentially not going to out the realm here that fall into that category and set us up for a big adventure for our next free show. Hell yeah. Sounds good.

And I have that book. Thanks, Ben, for sending me that. And he sent me as another book, too, that I'm going to be taking a look at at some point. We love that guy. He is incredible. I've done some amazing work. He's the guy that introduced me to Jose Miguel Pèrez Gomez, which we will definitely talk more about.

He was in National Geographic last year for his discovery that he made down in Venezuela, tracking this unknown culture from 11,000 years ago through their artwork. It's fascinating, man. And through that, he actually has a story not looking for cryptids at all, looking for this artwork from this hidden culture, and he stumbles across what may be a Loch Ness on top of Angel Falls, like one of the highest Tupuis out there, just got this incredible lost world. And so much of those Tupuis in these high mountain ranges, with these artesian wells coming up out of them, too, so there's water sources coming from the ground onto these plateaus, and then cascading off. It's a whole world up there, unexplored. Oh, yeah. I've heard a bit about that.

Fascinating. And there's, you know, wars going all over. A lot of these places, especially where this Kuru Pira is, it's the borders of Brazil and Venezuela. And so you have a lot of conflict as far as guerrillas and mercenaries and things like this in these jungles that really make it impossible just to go explore the area out of curiosity. Just a very dangerous area in multiple ways. not to mention the freaky creatures running around on it. So very much looking forward to that. You guys can sign up in the link down below and get access to that and all the other cool shit that Joe and I are doing.

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