Mysterious Universe - 35.13 - MU Podcast - The Hidden Timeline

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Welcome back to MU! In this episode, we explore the idea that the timeline of history may not be as settled as we’ve been led to believe. From the mysterious concept of Tartaria to strange patterns in 19th century architecture, rapid technological leaps, world fairs, orphan trains, and the work of Nikola Tesla, we examine a collection of theories from Guy Anderson's Tesla & the Cabbage Patch Kids suggesting that pieces of the past may have been forgotten, reinterpreted, or quietly absorbed into the modern world.  Welcome to your Plus+ Extension where we continue our Michig-investigation of the freaky things found on the pleasant peninsula as we dive deeper into the mysteries of this trippy ass region, covering more ground detailing some of the unsettling encounters with odd land based creatures. Then we explore the aquatic woo-woo of the Great Lakes as we round off our tour of the high strangeness that seems to never end. Check out the new Inescapable Podcast out now! Get both amazing shows for the investment of one through April 14th. Plus+ Members can now find the new feed on your Dashboard and add it to your preferred podcast player. Tesla & The Cabbage Patch Kids: The Fall of The Tartarian Empire & Reset of 1776 Luminary Lighthouse 6 Spooky Mysteries of the Great Lakes Shiver House YouTube- Michigan Melon Heads Article - A Prehistoric Structure Under Lake Michigan Resembles a Mini-Stonehenge 11 Michigan Cryptids: Appearance, Behavior, and Location MICHIGAN TOWN TERRORIZED BY MONSTER GREEN SQUIRREL MONSTER HUNTING - The Giant Green Squirrel of Amble 14 Michigan monster myths to fire you up for Halloween  Mishipeshu | The Guardian of the Great Lakes LinksPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE.Links Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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of episode 13. Can you believe it? We are so far into this thing. I am your host Joe Hodgden and joining me of course, as always is Brandon Thomas. How goes it, man? It's good to see you. Good. How's your week? It was great. It's like winter is completely gone if it was here at all. Spring is sprung. Weather Report here, gang. It's just bright, vibrant, wind blowing around. Trees, just how you doing? We've got all sorts of creatures running around. It's been nice actually, man. Folks came in town, Little Baby Brothers, baby, all that kind of stuff. It's just been an exciting time. And, you know, new babies being born in spring. It kind of follows.

Perfect timing. It's nice to expand the clan there. And we're not having them, which is great. But yeah, it's been amazing, man. How about yourself? Oh, not bad. I wanted to thank Chance over an Interverse podcast for, he did something called a biofield tuning on me.

And this sounds wooy because it is. And it's basically using tuning forks to, you know, clear stuck energy in your biofield. and I didn't know what to expect going into it, but it was pretty crazy. I think I was telling you about it. It reminded me of kind of a guided meditation, but it's weird because when he hits the forks, you can actually feel it.

And it's just over Zoom. Like, I just had my phone laying next to me and talking to him while he's doing this. And so, yeah, if you are interested in doing that kind of thing, if that's your thing, hit him up. I'll link to him in the show notes if you're interested. But I definitely recommend. My wife's going to be doing it today, actually.

And so I'll report back on her experience. but definitely something new, something I had never tried before. So it was pretty fun. Love it. How was your poop the next day? It was great. That's the true mark. He did warn me that it could be explosive, but it ended up being great.

So I'm like, oh, okay, perfect. There were conditions. There were warnings associated with bodily releases next day? Yeah. Outstanding. No, yeah, it's great. It was a, there's this weird time warp, too, that happened. I think I told you about that, too.

It was like this time dilation after the fact. It felt like that whole day was like, 48 hours long, which is great, but I didn't plan to do anything. So I'm like, man, I should have planned to be productive today. You could have gotten so much shit done, yeah. But yeah, same same over here. We're fully into spring, but the spring out here is a little bit different. So it went from, you know, 85, 90 degrees to back down in the 60s and kind of gloomy and rainy.

But I'll take it. It's a nice spring effect, you know. Yeah, yeah. Well, spring action. Well, it's on the way, gang. So keep it moving in. Or winters on the way. depending on what side of the realm you're on.

And we love you either way. And today we're going to be getting into a book by Guy Anderson. I did tease it last week. It's called Tesla and the Cabbage Patch Kids. And it's this British guy. And he's been making the rounds on different podcasts. If you're interested in more of an interview style, which I do want to get him on for an interview.

Maybe he'll be our first official interview of the new MU era. But he does several things. And he just goes into alternative history and just weird things, all the weird stuff in general. He has a whole book that I think it's just called conspiracy theories from like zombies to a gartha or something like that. I'll link to those two. Nice. I want to hear his take on zombies.

Yeah. I've heard that one yet. There was that alleged preparedness plan that came out, right? We saw images of folks sitting there in an army fatigue sitting in a classroom and found footage allegedly, of leaked footage rather, of them all talking about zombie preparedness with printed assets and everything that your tax dollars allegedly paid for, if not a whole stage. It was an official. It was an official government outlet. Was it FEMA maybe?

I think they put out a couple years ago. Yeah, they put out an official like zombie preparedness. And it was kind of a tongue-in-cheek thing. But they still put it out and everyone was like, wait, what? What do we make of this? But you think about Revelation of the Method. And then you think about a movie like Resident Evil and things like this where there's an underground facility. They've been doing some fuckery.

And then these things allegedly get out for whatever reason. And then all of a sudden, now we got zombies running around. Your mind's been prepped for it. And they're like, see. you know, femur told you. We got it. We gave you a warning. Amazing. So this goes into one of my actual favorite things to look into. And I mean, if the word tartaria is a trigger word for you, there's a lot of people who are, these retards talking about tartaria. He uses that word in this book as more of a placeholder term for, you know, manipulated

history in general. But we'll get into some of that. But yeah, it's like the term freaky woo-woo or high strangeness. It just entails that something amazing is going on. We haven't put a finger on it, but it's definitely that. It's the historical equivalent to that. Right. So, and the basic idea behind this book is pretty simple, but, I mean, big implications, obviously. He's suggesting that the timeline of history might not be as clean or as complete as we've been taught. So what? Yeah. And obviously, that's not necessarily completely wrong. You know, maybe edited or compressed or rearranged in ways that are hard. hard to notice unless you start comparing a lot of different sources side by side.

And obviously the centers around the idea of Tartaria, which really only came up in the last, what, decade when people started talking about it and referring to it as that. And it was, historically, Tartary was a term that was used on old maps. So I think that's where that came from. And it basically described large parts of Asia and Eastern Europe. But it was kind of vaguely defined, too. And in older atlases, you'll sometimes see huge stretches of land just labeled tartary. And not a lot of detail about who lived there or how these regions were organized.

But what he's proposing is that Tartaria may not have been just a vague geographic label, but the leftover reference to a much more unified civilization that has since been removed from the historical narrative. and the idea is that pieces of this earlier world may still be visible in things like architecture and city layouts, even technological development in population patterns, but we interpret those pieces through the lens of modern historical assumptions. One of the key claims here is tied to this idea that the historical timeline itself may have been altered at some point, particularly somewhere around the late 1700s, specifically 1776, If that date rings a bell for any reason, let me know.

Yeah. It's not just because of the American independence. But because a lot of institutional changes seem to cluster around that general period, there was a lot of new financial systems, political structures, new educational systems and industrial developments. And they all begin appearing pretty close to that date. And he connects this clustering of changes to the possibility that a major. transition took place during that time. And not just like a political,

not just politically, but just structurally in general. So in other words, the argument isn't simply that governments changed, but that the way history itself was recorded and organized may have shifted a little bit as well. And just a bit. And he also

discusses the idea that several hundred years may have been inserted into the timeline. And that kind of creates the impression that certain civilizations existed much further in the past, they actually did. Yeah, or for longer, people lived longer, all that stuff. And a few hundred years is conservative, now you think?

Yeah, and we've brought it up before, but there's a lot of people think as much as a thousand years are inserted. That's what we hear. That's where the Satan's little season folks, you know, latch on to kind of and go, hmm, let's need round it. You know, it's a nice round thousand years. It sounds cool. You know, it's for a thousand years.

It's got that. Easier for math. Yes, there you go. Yeah. And so some alternative chronology researchers suggest roughly 800 years may have been added, which would mean that events we currently think of as ancient might actually be much closer to the present than we thought. Yes. And that kind of claim obviously changes how everything else would be interpreted. If the timeline itself is stretched or dilated somehow, then the appearance of sudden bursts of innovation or construction might not be as surprising because the underlying knowledge may not have been lost for as long as we think.

And the so-called dark ages are often mentioned in this exact context. Traditionally, this period is talked about as a time when scientific and cultural development slowed down significantly in parts of Europe. And he raises the possibility that this stretch of time might function as a kind of buffer in the historical record, creating some distance between the modern era and whatever may have come before. And whether or not that holds up, it does kind of bring out something interesting about how much of history relies on. on interpretation of incomplete records. Yes. And the further back you go, the fewer primary sources tend to survive,

and the more historians rely on these fragments that have been preserved through religious institutions and governments, things that maybe you don't trust very much, private collections even. Right. And not to mention all the shit, they openly have locked up that nobody can see. Think of the Vatican archives or something like this, where there's heaps of information, knowledge, wisdom, allegedly, that can change humanity forever, and we're not allowed to see it. that would be if I had a three wishes from a genie it would be to let me just roam around in the Vatican archives because there's something like miles and miles and miles worth of old books and stuff and it's like why what are you hiding under there this is where conspiracy theories start up is because they put it out there in your face saying yeah we have all this knowledge no you can't see it exactly it's funny because the way that you can access it apparently is that you have to know what you're looking for But it's like, how do you know what you're looking for if you don't know what's in there?

Yeah. I want the troll room in the back with the two torches on it, you know, and you got to like stand on your head and say a magical term. I want that door. They're like, what's the term? You're like, shit, I don't know, but I know it's there. It's one of those things. It's a pet your tummy. Exactly.

Yeah. How wild, man. And yes, it's just a huge obfuscation game. I mean, that's the thing, right? If there's suppressed knowledge, then there's suppressed clear picture of the full story here, at least what folks knew up to the time. And an insert like a thousand years would be great for concepts such as a reset. If there was some sort of plasma apocalypse, let's say, shits and gigs, then that would be a nice thing for us to say, oh, yes, maybe perhaps there was an amazing technology here, but it got wiped out and it took us, you know, I mean, of course, a thousand years to build it back. But again, maybe it doesn't work like that.

Yeah. Another thing he brings up, or he keeps kind of returning to is the sudden appearance of these large, highly detailed buildings, especially in the 18th, 19th centuries. And across Europe and the U.S., you see these massive stone structures with the domes, the columns, the arches, these elaborate ornamentation, and it shows up within a relatively short period of time. So between cathedrals and courthouses, capital buildings, even things like train stations or hospitals, orphanages, exhibition halls, a lot of these buildings look like they required enormous amounts of planning, very skilled labor and resource. Yes. The craftsmanship is usually extremely detailed, sometimes with stonework that could be, you know, expensive and time-consuming, even with modern tools. And you're talking about these things being built around the time when people are getting around in, you know, horse-drawn carts.

Yes, horse and buggy, dirt, mud roads, and people have done calculations on just a couple of local courthouses, nothing even spectacular, spectacular. And the math does not math. The, even the AI, the trained AI to not give. away the game has said, look, yeah, man, if you have that many horses with this type of conditions, with this stone being that far away, there's no way. It would actually take you much, much, much, much longer and all of these types of things. And then again, we get to the idea of something being founded. Well, founded doesn't mean built, does it? I mean, that's a play on words to say that we came upon the motherfucker and then put our name on it, perhaps. Right. He does get into that, too, actually, the verbiage and a lot of the, just the way English changed, but we'll get into that in a little bit.

So, yeah, he's basically just asking whether all these buildings were actually constructed entirely within the timeframes that were told, or whether some may have already existed and just later repurposed or, you know, renovated. Right. And that very idea of repurposing shows up a lot in this book. So instead of assuming every building was constructed for the function it currently serves, he's kind of saying that some structures may have originally been part of a different system and later adapted to fit newer institutions.

You're saying that 35-story building with the ornate art deco isn't just for the post office? In Noigee, Michigan. I don't even know if that's a city. But it's those ridiculous kind of concepts that they build these elaborate, crazy things and underground tunnel systems and all kinds of shit for this small little town. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is the part, though, where he gets to, you know, you'll see it throughout the whole book. The institution was established or founded, but that doesn't always necessarily mean.

it was built from scratch at that moment. Sometimes it just means the building changed ownership or use. And another detail that stands out is the presence of large institutional buildings in areas where population density at the time may not seem to justify the scale, like you just said. Yeah, or the amount of skilled labor in the area. Again, these things are crazy done, crazy proportions, the geometry, the sacred geometry found within this stuff. Again, what they allegedly were used for. Again, allegedly the two different types of materials were anode cathode, anode cathode.

And I'm sure he gets into maybe some speculations on what they were possibly used for or could be, meaning that they could just be powered and yank power from the ether. Like you said, the intricacy for a post office in Sheboygan. It's like, what? It's silly. I mean, Lano, Texas has one of the most intricate courthouses. It's got this massive. I want to say it's seven or eight stories tall tower in the middle of it.

Huge, incredible thing, which some of it looks like it's again been augmented. You go to Wise County Courthouse out here in Texas. A cathedral, dude. It's insane. You're like, what is this for? And they're just little pockets. Mary and I do this on our anniversaries here. We went south one year.

Last year we went north. And so we'll just go hit like five or six of these small little towns. Go see like a cave in a national park or something and come back. And we did this last year up north and we hit the Wise County one, man. And it's just you're standing there on the corner going, what are you talking about? Also, when you start looking at these things, at least on the northwest corners, Pay attention to what kind of building is there. Usually I'm seeing Mason buildings on the northwest corners of these squares because they all also encompass this very simple, consistent design of it being a sort of small town square with this gigantic cathedral in the middle of the thing.

But the northwest corners sometimes or southwest corners have your Mason launches or a Mason symbol above what's now a newspaper, by the way, usually. Yeah, it's crazy. Wild. Especially funny is some of these early. accounts are talking about settlements where there's quite a large number of buildings that were already standing before these large waves of migration came in. And of course, that brings up the possibility that at least some urban environments may have existed earlier than their official founding dates or that expansion occurred way faster than

we usually imagine. Calendar reform, he also brings that up, particularly the adoption of the Gregorian calendar in the late 1500s. Standardizing the timekeeping helped synchronize historical records across these different regions, but it also means that the structure of chronology itself is based on conventions that were agreed upon and implemented at specific points in time. If the system used to measure time changes, then the way historical sequences are interested can change along with it. And language, like we talked about, plays a huge role here.

over long stretches of time, the pronunciation, spelling, and grammar shift enough that older texts can become harder to directly interpret. Even small changes in language can affect how easily knowledge transfers from one generation to the next. Yes. He also gets in the idea that major wars may have played a role in reshaping the physical landscape in ways that make it harder to evaluate earlier historical conditions. So cities that once contained large amounts of older architecture were often heavily damaged or rebuilt, sometimes using more practical designs that make sense in modern construction. When large portions of a city are destroyed within these short amounts of time, the physical record of earlier periods can disappear pretty quick.

Easily. And that's what they say a lot of the World Wars were, allegedly. Man, say that three times fast. Where to carpet bomb out a lot of this architecture and history, that was around in the area. And this was sort of the idea. Now, I will say this. When Mary and I went down to all the way down to Melbourne, Australia,

there is heaps, and I mean heaps might of old world architecture out there, just tons of shit because they haven't had the world wars. They haven't been bombed out like that. Yeah. It seems like they figured that, well, nobody will go that far out. I mean, it's way out there. And then just left a bunch of shit. But if you guys get a chance, go and get us, you know, our Australian audience.

If you guys concur with this ideal that you do have quite a few interesting structures around that just don't make sense. Send us some info on it. Send us some pictures of that. That we do want to see pictures of. Save your nipples. Keep them to yourself. We do want to see pictures of that.

And your wieners, when you see that. Yeah. Thank you. I think I need to say it. So all these different threads that he's pulling on, the timeline adjustments, the architectural things, the institutional shifts, language, demographic movement, they're all kind of put together as pieces of a larger puzzle. And he does, you know, it's one of those things where you're, you'd be hard

press to find rock solid evidence of any of this in whether that's by design or not is up for debate but it's kind of like he's just he's trying to piece together the piece together the patterns that he's noticing basically so yes another guy i'm going to shout out here logan barton of luminary lighthouse i'm also going to link him in this section in this free section here so you guys can check him out dear friend he's an amazing guy runs around does it pulls newspaper articles about all of this kind of stuff and finds some incredibly cool stuff he's the guy that needs to niches down and goes to all of the founded on and this is how many fires were how many fires this building's been through the state markers he's the guy that goes up reads all those takes

pictures of and breaks them down gets into the history he knows the architect he can name the like seven different places in texas this dude is designed a building and again and when you start doing that kind of research the narrative falls apart immediately he's got heaps of stuff i'm going to link it so check that out also i want to let you all know in the plus extension check the links below Michigan monsters. We're going to continue with that shit. Oh, I forgot to bring that up at the beginning. Pop it in. Don't worry about it. There's some really cool stuff we're going to get into. We did the melon heads on the last one, so definitely check it out. There's just so much stuff to cover in here.

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It's just going, whoosh, two weeks. You queef and it'll be here. So go ahead and get signed up in the links below, guys. and that's all I wanted to say. Thank you, Okay. So, yeah, like I was saying, instead of just kind of pointing

to a single piece of evidence as like, oh, see, this is obvious. It's more like he's building an argument by stacking all of these observations that if you take them individually, might not seem unusual, but together they kind of start painting this picture that maybe the historical narrative

may be a bit more complicated than it first appears. Yeah. So once he kind of starts out with that idea that parts of the historical record may have been reorganized or, you know, reframed some way, the next question is pretty obvious. Who would even have the ability to shape something as large as the historical narrative itself? Yes. And his argument isn't that one single secret group suddenly appeared and rewrote everything overnight. It's more that certain institutions have had outsized influence for a very long time, especially when it comes to preserving records, you know, defining education.

standards and deciding which versions of events become widely accepted. As they say, history is written by the victors, and it's always the good guys. Yeah, how amazing is that? And the etymology of it, of course, or the phonetics of history would be that it's his story. And it's just really interesting because, yeah, if you were able to sort of memento-dise yourself with this, like if you could get into a way where you knew a reset was going to happen, you knew you had amnesia to a degree, and it seems that that's sort of what this narrative and this ideal is predicated on or is woven within,

is that there's some sort of reset that occurs here. Maybe it's cyclical, and if that occurs, if your ancestors know to tell you to look, if you put all this shit in this cave right here, but then also if we let them know how to find all the shit in the cave after the reset, then we're going to be leaps ahead of everybody. And this may be what the breakaway civilization is all about, is the people who can lay the lowest and preserve the most knowledge

and then find it again after these resets. The mole people. The mole people. Maybe they're in on all this. Maybe they decide the future. They're really pulling the strings from deep within the earth, and they let people come out when they want. Like the Hopi, they got the amp people, right?

Yeah. Could just be the mole people? Because they didn't mean they look like ants. They meant they came from the ground like ants. Right. Yeah. Because that would be terrifying to have an ant or a person-sized ant. And it just like, take my hand.

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and transmitting knowledge across the generations. So if you control how much information is stored and taught, then you end up having a lot of influence over how people understand the past. And one thing he brings up quite a bit is the role of the Jesuit. Jesuits in education. So for centuries, Jesuit scholars were heavily involved in developing the curriculum, preserving these classical texts, and shaping the structure of formal learning in many parts of the world. That doesn't automatically imply manipulation, but it does show how pretty small groups of scholars have played a major role in deciding which materials get prioritized and how they're interpreted. Freemasonry also shows up frequently, mostly because of its connection to architecture. and the symbolism and the transmission of technical knowledge through apprenticeship traditions. Masonic symbolism often draws heavily from geometry and classical design principles, which leads some researchers to speculate that older architectural ideas may have been preserved symbolically,

even as the broader cultural context changed over time, you know. Yeah. And imagine telling everybody that the, what was that, the Library of Alexandria burned down, but really it didn't, or maybe the structure burned down, You put some fake books in there maybe to set it off, but you hide all of that shit and you take it somewhere else and you preserve it. Yeah. I would tend to think that they probably got a lot of that,

if not all of it, out of there and then burned it. And we're like, ah, it's gone. And it's just in the Vatican now. Because when we think of it in today's terms, I think that that kind of shit is orchestrated as fuck. And so I would think that back then it'd be no different, right? And so they probably had well aforementioned knowledge of this. There was plenty of time to set up decoys, to pull things out of there.

And yeah. And then just to let happen what happened be a spectacle and then get passed down through history, but then preserve the knowledge. And then it's like faking your own death, like Tupac or something, because then nobody's looking for you. And he does treat these organizations not as like conspiratorial actors or it's more of a, this is the underlying theme of the book, is this continuity. There's structures of continuity, these groups that, you know, persist across political transitions and they maintain these certain traditions. even when governments change. Financial institutions are obviously another piece of that too. And those can change, but this continuity seems to stay the same.

It's a continuity of a lizard turd. This is the question, too. Is this an outside influence, literally? Is there some sort of, again, you know, some sort of reset that's going to happen? And she's like in the movie Knowing or some shit, right? That guy comes, picks up the kid, spoiler alert. Kids leave, but the people have to stay there and burn to death because there's going to be a reset. It's that idea of preserving, you know, the Noah's Ark kind of concept.

So it's something like that kicking about, you know, is that a possibility? Yeah. And obviously the development of these central banking systems and international networks of finance, they allowed economic influence to go beyond national borders. Borders don't matter to these globalist lizard turds. No. Because once financial systems become so interconnected, the decisions made in one region can obviously ripple out everywhere else. And so borders don't matter.

in that context. But yeah. And large infrastructure projects, wars, industrial expansion, those often, you know, require massive amounts of funding. And whoever controls capital tends to have some degree of influence over what gets built and when. And war itself plays an interesting role too. Major conflicts reshape landscapes real quick.

Cities that once contained centuries of architectural, you know, monuments and all this can be heavily damaged and rebuilt within a matter of years. He mentions Dresden as, you know, one example because it was known for this elaborate architecture, but prior to World War II, but as in large portions of the city were destroyed during these bombing campaigns late in World War II, when cities are reconstructed after that kind of destruction, architectural priorities often kind of change towards speed and cost efficiency instead of ornamentation, like the buildings that were destroyed. Right. And who's got that kind of knowledge? And the people that do have that kind of knowledge preserved are the ones that were instructing the bombing of them. Right. What fuckery?

And I think that's one of the more important and interesting things in this whole idea is because it's a physical record. And it creates this visible break in a physical record. Right. So older construction styles, you know, go away and they're replaced by these more modern materials and simpler designs. but he's saying that these repeated cycles of destruction and rebuilding can gradually erase these early architectural patterns and just leaving only these scattered examples behind yeah another idea that comes up is a the institutional language sometimes hides this continuity too like you brought up terms like founded established reorganized or chartered maybe they don't always tell you whether something was built new or just renamed. You think universities, hospitals, even admin buildings, they usually have these long histories that include multiple phases of expansion and restructuring.

And if you look closely, some institutions appear to have occupied several different buildings over time, sometimes inheriting structures originally built for other purposes. Yeah. And this connects back to the earlier idea of repurposing if buildings can change function across generations than the physical structure itself might predate the institution currently associated with it. Absolutely. He also points out these examples of settlements where accounts describe these large number of

buildings already existing, like you brought up earlier, and populations arrive in these great numbers, but it seems to be already set up. Yeah, they sort of wander onto a set, almost. Right. It's just so bizarre, but it's a set that's sort of a leftover. It's a sloppy seconds almost. Again, this is where sort of the demiurge copy of the real world comes into play. It's almost like it got a glimpse, but then fucked it up. And when it set it all up, that idea of liquid fraction is fascinating. Have you seen those videos of that?

Yeah, it's weird. And that's where the mud flood people get off on is, yeah, liquefaction. Allegedly this idea, because again, the reasoning is when you start to look at the stuff underground, it's very ornate. Why would you put windows underground and with crown molding and all that stuff if you planned for it and they go full underground? So again, it does appear with your own eyes, guys. When you go out and see this stuff, we will go to this one and it's got this huge arch as if it's supposed to be very, very tall, but it's so short and you walk underneath it. And it feels awkward. It feels like you're on the second story of something instead of ground level where you are.

You really have this feeling about it. And then you question, well, what's just underneath all that stuff? And is it built in a square like that around these courthouses? Because really it's on the shoulders of the rest of the structure that's underground. That blows my mind, that kind of shit right there. But you see it. You see these photos of them unburying Seattle when they showed up, and they were finding train tracks way below the soul.

Having to dig them out, yeah. Exactly, man. This is one of the most fascinating things I think of our time, is this, ironically, this history is a look at the history. These are things you can't see with your own eyeballs. You walk up to these old buildings, and the windows are half in, half out. And it's like, who builds a building like that?

And Logan called me the other day. He went up to a bell tower of one. He just met a janitor befriended him. And he said, oh, man, if you give me a notice so you can book an appointment, I'll take you through the whole thing. And he went down to the basement and all kinds of shit. So you guys just go out and do this. Again, this is what Mary and I've been doing it for a couple of few years now.

We just go, you look at stuff around you and you go, bullshit. There's no way. Well, and just the, the Greco-Roman styling of a lot of these buildings. And it's, he gets into that too. But it's the same apparent time frame that all. all these domed structures, you know, like the Capitol or, you know, things like that. It's like, what's with the Greco-Roman styling of all this across the whole nation at the same time? And then you'll see things in Florida like Moorish architecture.

And does he touch on the Moors in there? I don't know. I didn't note any of it. But the idea of the Moors are fascinating. And this gets into, depending on, you know, if you're sensitive or not about it, but ideally that or allegedly, the Olmec statues that were found, you know, down in South America, obviously. Black folk, okay? The idea then is that they were already here, man, and that was part of the indigenous folk that were running around and they were conquered rather than brought. And this idea of the Moors is

incredibly interesting, but again, very ornate architecture, slightly different in certain ways, but again, well over the top. That's a, yeah, that's a whole show in itself, the Moors thing that I don't remember hearing about in school, do you? No, there's a painting of George Washington hanging out with them more. And it's this just really interesting thing, man. It's not that they were conquered more than enslaved. It's a very big difference. It was a massive high culture that was already here.

Just mysterious universe, man. Fuck. So this is where population movement kind of becomes important. So during the 19th century, there's these large numbers of people, you know, relocating across continents, especially in the U.S. and parts of Europe. And they're all undergoing this industrial expansion. and some of the more unusual things is this, you know, orphan train system. Yeah.

And that relocated a ton of children from densely populated cities to rural areas. There's that word again. Rural. Rural. And these programs are typically explained as social welfare efforts designed to provide housing and employment opportunities, but the scale of the movement is what stands out. There's tens of thousands of children who are transported across these large distances over several decades. in obviously contributing to the population growth in these developing regions.

But when you're looking at the historical population charts, growth patterns in some regions seem to accelerate fairly quickly during this time period. When he's a guy's kind of looking at as consistent with this broader social restructuring. And that's when it gets into language playing a role in shaping the continuity too. So over long periods of time, there's, you know, changes in pronunciation and spelling. And that can create this distance between generations reading from the same exact text. And the great vowel shift, which altered pronunciation patterns in English over several centuries, is one example of how language can evolve enough to make earlier writings feel maybe more older, more old than they actually are.

Like the ye oldie stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Place names change too. Cities are renamed. Borders shift around regions are reorganized. And while this happens for, you know, plenty of reasons between political transitions, just cultural change in general or administrative restructuring, the overall effect can make it harder to find connections between earlier and later records. And so the main idea is that institutional continuity doesn't always look obvious, at least on the surface.

So governments change, maps change, educational standards change, but there's certain underlying structures that persist through all of these transits. And instead of seeing modern nation states as these entirely new creations, he's looking at him as reorganized versions of earlier systems that adapted to the changing, you know, cultural landscape or conditions at the time. Yeah, it's like all the forts got taken over and they installed their own guys, but their own guys kind of suck. And they're stuck. They're just kind of doing what they're doing. They can't repair the things. They're just letting them to go into disarray. And it just, it's dumb.

Yeah. And whether or not you agree with that, you know, perspective on it, it does, for you. show how much of our understanding of history does come from institutions that have the job of preserving and interpreting these records. So that's where the questions come from. Especially when there are people that you don't really trust anyway and you're like, you're in charge of all this? I know. I know. This is the thing. You're like, come on, man. It's like being way, way smarter than your boss. And we all know this feeling. Because you're just like, come on. So you're the one calling the shots. You get paid the salary.

You get the perks and all this kind of shit. You get the company car. But you're fucking retarded, man. Are you kidding me? And you've got malicious intent, which is obvious. And that's the other thing to this. It's a silly game, Bubba. It's a silly game that's changing rapidly, by the way, and we can see it. It is a game. Yes. You've got to learn to play it, right? That's right. So then he kind of goes away from focusing on the timelines and institutions and looks at the physical world. And obviously, it's pretty straightforward here. Written records can be edited or lost or reinterpreted, but these large stone buildings tend to stick around for while. Even when their purpose changes, the structure itself usually survives. And once you start

paying attention to architecture from the 17 and 1800s, you start noticing how many cities across the world share these similar designs. Again, like we mentioned, these large domes show up again and again, the massive stone monuments, all that stuff, tall arched windows, long rows of columns, again, this Greco-Roman influence. Yep. And there are buildings that look like they were designed not just a function, but to like impress. Yes. They're impressive. These courthouses that look like temples.

I mean, their give a shit was dialed to 11, man. Nothing they did sucked. And that was like the shittiest thing around because if you look at some of the churches and stuff, I mean, Prague has some incredible stuff going on. And you look over there, you just have these cathedral. And this is sort of a shittier version, if you will, or a simpler version of that. And it's still immaculate. We can't even touch it today.

It's fascinating. I know. And even like train stations, they look like palaces and. Yeah. Old hospitals and asylums with the same kind of design that you expect from a government building. And it's like, for an asylum? It's, what? There's a post office box built.

Post office building downtown Fort Worth. And you guys can see it from 820, the highway when you're coming up 35 right there. And passing on 30. It's right off of 30. And you look over and you just see this huge art deco, just monolith, man. And it's got to be 18, 20 stories tall. And it was a post office depot. That was it.

And it does have an elaborate train station network right there. There's another place that was really cool and it was a Choo Choo Train themed and it was a bar right there. But same thing. It's just this huge, incredible, elaborate palace all for a post office. And then they turned it into some damn haunted house and the top levels where like the floor would fall out and you fell through it. It's been a bunch of crazy things, but not ever probably what it was intended to be. Yeah. And obviously the usual mainstream explanation is that the art.

architects in that era were inspired by classical Greek and Roman. This neoclassical architecture was very popular, and many designers on purposely borrowed this visual design from earlier civilizations, but Guy's question is whether that explanation fully accounts for how widespread and consistent those designs appear to be. When you start seeing similar architectural styles showing up across multiple continents within pretty close time frames, it obviously raises questions about how design knowledge was shared and how construction techniques spread so efficiently.

Some of these buildings are enormous, these thick stone walls and intricate carvings and detailed ornamentation that would have required highly skilled labor. And even today, that level of craftsmanship is expensive if it's even, you know, technically possible. Right. He spends quite a bit of time pointing out how many of these large buildings seem to appear in the historical record within really tight windows of time, often during, during periods when transportation, infrastructure, and industrial supply chains were still in development.

And it's like, how did you get all that stuff there? This is where you get the AI calling bullshit even. Even it can't go, all right, all right, look, just hear me out. Yeah, no, it couldn't be done like that. Yeah, if you press it enough, if you're talking to grok or something, it'll eventually go, yeah, this doesn't make any sense. It's like, you know what, you're right. Yeah, he got me, buddy. And then it just shorts out and it's like error.

Yeah, error. that doesn't necessarily mean these construction timelines are completely false, but it does make the speed of development stand out. One of the ideas it keeps coming up is that some buildings may have been repurposed, like we talked about. Instead of assuming every structure is built for the institution that's currently occupying it, he's saying that at least some buildings have originally served different roles and were later adopted as cities expanded and the population shifted around.

100%. What do you guys want to do with this one? Let's call it a high school Okay, cool, what's a high school? We're going to jam a bunch of kids into it And we're going to indoctrinate the shit out of them And make sure that they know the history That we want them to know is the history.

Oh, okay, cool. All right, cool. Yeah, and again, I always keep coming back to the old asylums and orphanages that have these crazy architectural features that seem a bit too elaborate than for what they're supposedly used for. And they're usually in sometimes placed like prominent placement within city centers.

It's just, it's just odd. I'm telling you, the apparent give a shit of that time was just dialed to 11. Nothing was simple. Everything was awesome and made to last. And it almost feels like because, again, he points out the consistency, because then again, as you niche down into this stuff, you'll start to find these incredibly interesting patterns. And what it feels like almost, have you ever done paintball? Oh, yeah.

Okay. So when you go to a paintball place, they've got a bunch of like obstacles and shit set out, right? like a car that's been burned or something and tagged and a little tower over here. You can climb this thing or a tree house or whatever. There's things out for you to play amongst. Instead of it being just an open field and you're just got to stand there and just get shot or shoot each other,

it's an environment that's been set up for you to explore and experience and play. And this is sort of what this feels like at a level. I mean, have you ever made, have you made this connection to this realm? Yeah, no, that's what it seems like that. Yeah. It feels like everything's been set up.

It's just that there's a team. that's occupying it. It's almost like a, I don't want to say a capture the flag because that kind of implies that there's a huge struggle in this. Not that growth in itself isn't that struggle,

but it seems like that there's a game afoot and that the shitheads have taken over all the cool buildings and towers that were already set up here, and they have been manufactured and plopped amongst the realm for us to go run about and explore and do whatever.

It's just this is the way the game has shifted or has started, and then you just kind of involve it. All the world's a stage, right? Yeah. He does bring up Starforts too, along with these patterns that are appearing. And these, of course, according to the narrative, are defensive structures designed with this perfect geometric precision in usually shaped like these multi-pointed stars, especially when you look at them from like Google Earth or something. Yeah.

And they appear throughout Europe and in parts of the Americas, often near coastlines or, you know, strategic locations. and yeah, the traditional explanation is that Starforts, there were a response to changes in artillery technology. So this angular layout allowed defenders to maintain lines of sight across multiple directions, reducing blind spots and making direct assault more difficult. But when you look at them from above, the whole consistency of their design across distant regions is pretty obvious. The geometry is precise enough that they almost look like they were based on a shared template, maybe.

and obviously some researches see this as evidence of coordinated planning or shared engineering knowledge that spread efficiently across different cultures. Yeah, this was the angled walls allegedly because when cannon fire would hit it, it would bounce off and bounce up, right? Right. So they had the sloped sides, and that's why, because the old iron sides there didn't stand a chance against this motherfucker. I just, again, I don't remember ever reading in an encyclopedia or a history book anything about StarFords. I didn't know that word or that structure until in the last like several years. I'd never heard of it. Civil War brought it up because of that battle where I think it was Francis Scott Key was on in one.

Wasn't this in this the case? I don't know. Maybe. He was, anyway, so he's on there. He's right in the, or he was on the boat and they were watching them bomb a fort. I'm not sure if it was a star fort. But again, Starfort came up when you talk about the Civil War and that kind of range. Again, because of the cannon fire element of it.

They were like, oh, yeah, because Canon, you know, the come and take it, the snake flag with the cannonball on it that was flying over Starforts. I guess if I did ever read about it, it was glossed over enough that it made it seem not interesting or something. That's right. And that's the point, right? It's to make it innocuous enough to where you just burn right over it. Oh, man, the Library of Alexandria burned.

Everything went away. Oh, that's a shame. Yep. All right, come look over here and watch this football game. You know what I mean? You can skip right over it. If you don't double back and go, but hang on. Is it possible that, then maybe you're missing quite a bit.

Yeah. Yeah. Star forts are fascinating. though Steve Falconer lives over in Copenhagen, Denmark. It's three star forts in one city. So it's a giant, what they refer to as a hedgehog star fort, because it's got a huge back with a bunch of little spines looking airing from the air. And then it's got another one within it that's got a castle,

and that has another star fort within that. It's Star forts within Star forts, the inception of Star forts over there in Denmark. There's a lot of them. If you just start Googling it, I mean, there's quite a few, and it is across many continents. We went over this with, I forget who it was. It was somebody who was an expert on me. us in the old show. And I think it was maybe Michelle Gibson, somebody like this. Anyway, but when we

looked at them, something I noticed was if you look at all these star forts, yes, they do have this consistent pattern, but there's a break in it. There's an augmentation. It's a, it's a break in, usually one of the centerpieces. It's either an island or something, and it points to a direction. And my question is, do those all point somewhere? Is that a directional line of some kind or something? So there's still a lot of questions to be answered in that realm. I wouldn't be surprised if they did. And or, you know, they're built on lay lines or, or, you know, they're built on lay lines or you know, something like that. Yeah, all of them have the water component to them.

They, you know, and then some when you find them have been allegedly destroyed, meaning broken. They're not their full star anymore. And the water on which they sat near is now flowing through it. And it's, it looks like it broke it almost or it doesn't function the way it should because it's incomplete. Right. Probably got bombed or something, yeah. Yeah, bombed out and fucking. He does bring up world fairs, which is one of my favorite things.

Because I, that is something I do remember reading about somewhere when I was a kid, probably. but this was definitely one of those things that I never got into detail on or was taught in detail about these world fairs. No. When you start looking at the real specifics about them, again, the math doesn't add up. No. So, yeah, during the late 1800s, early 1900s, these massive international exhibitions were organized to showcase industrial progress and technological innovation. And the photographs from these events show entire. temporary cities built with impressive symmetry and scale.

These large exhibition halls, reflecting pools, grand walkways, again, all this ornate stuff with all electrically illuminated too. Yeah. One of the more famous ones is the Chicago World's Fair of 1893. And he uses that as an example because of how elaborate the structures appear in these surviving images. And yeah, give it a quick goog. It is insane. Incredible. We don't have anything that looks that cool anymore. These these huge buildings just arranged around these wide boulevards decorated and, you know,

or covered in decorative detailing all constructed within this really short time frame. Many of these buildings were described as temporary, sometimes built using cluster over wooden frames. But it is funny if you look into it that some of these bigger halls were, they would have had to have steel. framing because of the sheer weight and size of these things. It's not a, it's not, what do you call it, a plaster of Paris or a, no. It's not like a movie set where you just chuck it out.

What's the thing you make as a kid, you know, paper machet? Paper machet, yeah. It's basically the equivalent of what they were saying, but pay attention again to the language. They said that they were all temporary, which meant that maybe they were there and they were exactly what we think that they were, which is incredibly cool structures, but they were letting everyone know that they were going to tear them down. Yeah, and a lot of them, yeah, either caught fire or whatever. Another one of my favorite things that I definitely don't remember hearing about in school is the glass palace or the crystal palace is it called.

Oh, man, yes. The amount of time it took to build that is crazy. And this is before they had, you know, big glass manufacturing plants and all that kind of stuff. And then it supposedly burned or they moved it. They moved it the whole thing. They unpacked it. And then it burned. Yep.

And it was like, huh? And this is a. another question I've got. If you've got all this stone and steel and all that kind of stuff, what kind of fire were they using to reset this narrative? You know, because it seems it again, and you may get into it, but airships are a big part of this as well. And allegedly, there was this technology flying around in the sky and these airships that had beams that would beam this DEW down and smoke out these cities, but it was stone that they were warping and melting. And so what is the deal with the technology? Was it some sort of advanced Greek fire or

something like this where it could, you know, just destroy those kind of structures or did they really have to go in and blow these things up? What do they call that? St. Elmo's Fire. Is that what they call it? I think so, actually. And then it was a movie.

I think we covered the statistics on it in a silly way. What is the mainstream definition of St. Elmo's Fire? It was allegedly an incendiary weapon used by the Byzantine Empire from the 7th to the 14th centuries. It says St. Animal's Fire is a weather phenomenon in which luminous plasma is created by a corona discharge from a rod-like object such as a mast, spire, a chimney, or animal horn in an atmospheric electric field. Yes, yes, we talked about this actually. Now I'm remembering. And this actually, but Greek fire was likely invented by a refugee named Kilicaninos of Heliopolis. And this liquid fire was used in naval warfare shot from bronze tubes hot. to burn enemy ships,

often continuing to burn on water, which secured many victories. So again, if the recipe for this, which was allegedly lost, right, for a little while, and then they, yeah, because it was top secret. But if you've got access to all the knowledge, you probably have access to the recipe for this shit. That'd be a good way to kind of smoke all these things out, maybe.

It sounds like, what's that? I love the smell of what? Napalm in the morning. Napalm, yeah, so that's kind of napalm. Another detail is, the presence of large buildings in areas that were supposedly still developing at the time. There's accounts describing towns in which substantial numbers of buildings are already standing, like we mentioned earlier.

And the question here is about how quickly certain areas expanded in whether earlier phases of development may not be fully reflected in these simplified historical summaries. Again, the religious buildings, the cathedrals and basilicas, they all have these similar structural elements. And many of these buildings were constructed to last for centuries using materials and techniques that prioritize durability and beauty, obviously. Yeah. And so, yeah, the basic idea is that when you see all of these across these large geographic areas, it seems that architectural knowledge is being transmitted between these regions. And urban planning even, the patterns, the way that, you know, grid layouts and,

these carefully aligned boulevards and radial street patterns, all that kind of stuff. Yes, like I was saying, the square. They're very intentional. You get there, you know, okay, I'm in the square. Yeah, the town square. Yep. And so he's basically saying that this seems like centralized planning efforts that, you know, city development followed structured design principles instead of just this organic,

oh, we're going to make these buildings like this now. It was too similar. Again, like it was sort of set up like this. It was just plopped in, a bunch of folks were plopped in. and they go, all right, here you go, guys, make it work. We're going to ship some kids your way. Here you go. Just more of a pattern noticing of this continuity that he's getting after.

That's so bizarre. And transportation networks, they all expanded pretty rapidly during the same general period. You know, railways, like you mentioned earlier, shipping routes, connecting these cities across long distances and obviously allowing materials and people to move more efficiently than before. And that increased connectivity made it easier for architectural styles and engineering techniques to. spread but the main point is that the physical environment just contains these patterns that invite maybe a closer look I guess we'll say I would say so yeah and one of my favorites is Max Egan he talks about that's yeah so you get to Seattle in the late 1800s and then all of a sudden you just decide that the most elaborate sewer system ever is where you start and you have this

incredibly unique elaborate underground system that you base everything on and then you start building because it's just insane like you said the type of folks that were there the amount of population that was there, the type of skilled labor that must have existed, either they were all stone masons that all had magic tricks up their sleeves and knew what Edley Scalian knew, and they did bang this out and then in the time frames they said, just not in the way that they said, maybe using something a little different, because again, the math dead math. It just, it's an interesting thing to look at. This is, again, one of my favorite topics.

You could easily do 12 episodes in a row on this, Joe. I'd be fine with it. Oh, I know. And again, you'll have to get the book because I highly recommend you read through it yourself because he goes into a lot of detail. But so then he goes on from, from buildings in the physical markers of this, you know, apparent lost civilization type of idea into technology.

And that's when this timeline starts to feel even a little more compressed because within this real short window of time, electricity goes from being a lab curiosity to something lighting entire city blocks. All of a sudden, telegraph systems, you know, are connecting continents. Electric street lights just out replacing gas lamps, which is a funny thing. That used to be a thing. Gas street lights.

Yes. They had people that would walk around and light them. Yeah, a lamplighter. They'd walk by every night and light, hand light all of them. It sounds honestly like a nice job. You got that or grave dicker? What would you want? A lamplighter.

I go lamplighter right, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just one of those moments in history where everything seems to accelerate all at once. And it's so funny because I thought about this when I was a kid, the nerdy kid I was I was looking at the history. I'm like, so everything was basically horse and buggy for thousands of years. And then all of a sudden, within the last hundred years, we go from that to this modern, you know, internet era. How did, is it just a hundredth monkey thing where all of a

sudden you're, we all speed up at the same time in the last hundred years? It's crazy. I love that little kid. That little Joe is one of my favorite kids. That's such an adorable guy. I love it. As I'm playing Super Mario World, I'm thinking about, uh, you know, existential fucking technological expansion. Yeah, like realm logistics and geopolitical socioeconomic are just like, huh. Oh, but I made the jump on Mario, but yeah, it's weird, huh? And the amount of olive trees that are existing in the world can add up to the amount of olive bowl. What's that about, Mom?

The amount of corn. Have you ever thought about how much corn is in the world? I just like, it's those kind of things. I'm just grow your own, man. If you want to eat it, just grow your own or know the dude that does, whatever. I'm just, we're to that point, really. So with technology, obviously, the standard expletely. is that the scientific understanding had finally reached a point, you know, critical mass where multiple discoveries began feeding into each other.

Improvements in metallurgy made better wiring, better mathematical models helped engineers design more efficient systems. Industrial production made components more widely available and, you know, knowledge builds on knowledge. Eventually hit a stretch where progress just accelerates. But Guy looks at that same time period and he's kind of going, uh, what, asking whether some of that knowledge may have already existed. in some form and was simply being adopted or adapted into new economic structures. And that's where Nikola Tesla comes in. He's always been interesting because even within mainstream history, he's kind of portrayed as slightly outside the norm, you know, his brilliant prolific.

Also pursuing ideas that didn't always align with the direct industrial development. Yeah. Or the path that, you know, was going on at the time he was alive, at least. There's a lot of weird stuff around him. He's the David Blaine of science. He's just such a bad boy. He's right outside. He's like the Kevin Bacon of science.

He does what he wants. Yeah, and obviously his experiments, he's known for, you know, high frequency, electricity, wireless transmission and resonance-based systems. And it's just not the way people were thinking about things at the time or so we're told. Yes. And that's the thing, too. If you go with the narrative, then it's this idea that, yeah, people were just dumb and they were just coming out of farms and all this kind of stuff. Man, this reset ideal just looks a little bit more interesting. It sort of starts to make more sense.

if you're pattern seeking. Right. So instead of generating power in one location and sending it through a network of wires to paying customers, he was looking into the possibility that electricity could be transmitted through the atmosphere

or through the ground itself, you know, the ether. The Warden Cliff Tower is probably the most well-known example. That project was designed as part of a system intended to transmit signals and potentially electrical power wirelessly across long distances. But, of course, the funding dried up

and the tower was never fully completed, and this centralized electrical grid model became the dominant approach. Sounds like somebody was like, nope, dope, dope, can't do that. Yep. But it is funny because I think I mentioned it, but is it Sweden or maybe Japan or something that just did a experiment on doing that? And it worked, sending electricity wirelessly. Yeah, I think they've stopped killing people for that. And that's the thing, is if we aren't in some sort of realm where it's available,

maybe the monkeys sort of go a little bit ahead of narrative. They're like, no, no, no, no, we can't unleash that yet. We can't open that present yet. it's not Christmas. So they take people like that out that could have advanced the technology. I think now it's getting a little bit more open. I think now it's just they can't hide it anymore. And that's the whole point.

That's why you look around and it's like a fire sale with all the governments of the world, which is why you have this show. So you can escape from bullshit like that and come learning about cool stuff. But you have that whole age. And then the psychological operations that went along with Tesla were fascinating with him and Edison and that whole bunch of nonsense. You remember Topsy, right? Topsy.

Yeah, Topsy. 1875 to 1903 was a female Asian elephant in the United States. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was famous for her 1903 public execution at Coney Islands Luna Park after killing... Wasn't that Edison? This was Edison, and he filmed it, a prized film with 6,000 volts, and it was called electrocuting an elephant. So this smut film was made by Thomas Edison to say that Tesla's AC was unsafe. And that's what he did.

And again, it's this psychological operation stuff. You know, and man, you know, before Disney, I suppose, they really got out there and we're just murdering animals in the street. And then now they just do it in animation and scare us that way. Yeah. Yeah, that was a, that's a wild story that he did that. I mean, I don't think Edison was as much of a genius as we're told either. He is a puppeter, man. I mean, he's a Zahi Hawass.

He's another, you know, member of the faction. He's a member of the game, in my opinion. One of the original gatekeepers. Definitely. Yeah. And he does connect Tesla's experiments to the earlier architectural discussion by pointing out that many large buildings from the same general period include these towers and domes and metal structural elements. And some reachers interested in historical electrical experimentation have speculated that elevated conductive materials may interact with atmospheric electrical charge. Here we go.

Although, of course, interpretations vary widely, but that's the ether idea and the anode cathode thing that you brought up. Yes, yes, go on and take a look at these buildings, guys. The red, white, red white, red white, that alternating pattern and the alternating material pattern. And then you look around and go around the structure and see if you can find the copper wire running from what was up there to down. Now, a lot of them have taken some of these towers down. They've been knocked off, whatever. But some of them still retained their copper. And man, they're all patinaed out.

You know, they have that real cool age look to them and you could still find some. Yeah. And this late 1800 surge of experimentation with electrical systems, and a lot of them went and tons of different directions at once, but there's early electric vehicles, you know, and they were alongside steam-powered and combustion designs. So cool. That one wheel? You know, with the kid riding in it?

They even had a version for your kid that it could ride in the single wheel. So cool. Yeah, there's all these various competing approaches to power generation, and they were explored before certain standards became dominant, and why do you think that is? Oh, we know why. It's a subscription-based model. You've got to keep buying gas so that you can keep driving.

And the electric cars today, I think, are BS because you still, a lot of people that buy electric cars think, oh, you just, the power just comes out of the wall. It's like, where do you think that comes from? There's some really high percentage of power that's still coal or gas. My favorite is behind every Tesla station. If you look, that big building back there that they painted cream or something, or maybe they put its fake palm tree that's got 5G tower stuff all over it. If you look in that building, that's a diesel generator inside that. That's what's powering those things to power your car. And there are people who will put a diesel generator in the trunk of the car and then power it on the side of the road or something.

And I've seen people run a diesel generator and then run it out and then just kind of close the trunk a little bit and just drive like that. It's so silly. There was this ice storm or something that happened and then all of them shut off and nobody could use them so everybody was stuck. Countless reasons why it's a bad idea, guys. The, again, the idea that that's not diesel. Oh, there was another one. There's a diesel shipment that needed to come in, refill the generator so that the guys could put the electricity in their car to get to work. It's this kind of silly nonsense.

I know you guys see it out there. If you're listening to this show, you see it. It's so funny. And it's just not, the technology isn't where it needs to be yet for me to even ever consider getting an electric car. It's just the battery technology isn't there. It's, what, a couple hundred miles and then it takes eight hours to recharge. It's like, no. It's not even the technology available for what they're claiming it can do.

Because again, we know that this Tesla type electricity, this ether, we know that this exists. We know it's out there. We know y'all are probably using it to power these craft that you're flying around telling us that your aliens in. It's this idea of like we know it exists. So this continual masturbatory process of pumping fossil fuels or solar or any of this other shit that doesn't work. It doesn't work on purpose. You're not supposed to be using it for this, perhaps. Or that there's just such a better way.

that we could be doing this on the scale in which we need it to function. I'm absolutely convinced there's a better way to do it. And there's people that come up with it and then you don't hear about them anymore. We're working on it. We are working on it. We're almost there. And you feel it, right? You feel the tide shifting.

Like our awareness of this can't keep it from us. You see what I mean? Yeah. No one can stop an idea whose time has come. That one. And he does, you know, in this time of various different experimentation with these technologies, the world's fairs show up again here because they often served as the demonstration spaces for these new electrical systems. So again, if you look into this, I'm just glossing over,

but the exhibition halls that were illuminated by electric lighting would have been very impressive at the time. I mean, entire streets glowing at night in ways it would have been unfamiliar only just a couple decades earlier. Yeah. And the photographs from these events show the extensive lighting setups across these huge areas. And so that kind of suggests that engineers were able to scale electrical infrastructure pretty quickly once the underlying technology was understood. Industrial expansion accelerated alongside these developments. Factories increased production capacity.

It's the whole industrial boom. It's funny because I think I've seen a couple people break down the amount of wattage it would have taken to illuminate that for how long they did. and you would need crazy electrical production plants that just weren't there at the time. Didn't exist. They didn't exist. The interesting, too, is the lack of bathrooms in a lot of these places, too. Has he gotten to that or talked about it?

I might. I've heard a lot of people talk about the World's Fares especially, but I don't remember the bathroom thing. What's that? Some have bathrooms. Some do not. And this is the thing is it allegedly maybe you didn't need to poop. Is that a thing? You didn't need to go to the bathroom?

Is that a thing, man? Could that be possible for some, for the, ones that built this thing. Didn't we just bring that up about how your poo just goes into a different dimension? I think it was on family guy or... And maybe that's it. Maybe they just have evolved to where they put little... It's like an inserting thing, like a...

What is that thing that girls can put up in them for birth control? UID. UIDs or something? Yeah. IUD. IUD. Isn't that the thing... Intrauteral device.

Yeah, IUD. Okay. I thought that was improvd explosive device, something like that. Anyway. So, yeah, it's like something and you just... Oh, yeah, I'm going to get my portal installed. And, you know, you're... They call it your brown-brown-eye portal.

And that's it. And there's no more poopie. It's easy. The toilet paper industry is behind this. They were reluctant at first, but then they were cut in. So we're cool. Big teepee. That's right. Big shit ticket was not having it. So we'll close that here in a minute. But I did want to get to a little bit of the cabbage patch stuff since it's part of the book title. Yes. So after this, he kind of goes towards, you know, population. And kind of what we talked about earlier with the whole, it just seemed like the population boom was disproportionate. to the time.

Like when you think about the 49ers, right? 1849, all these people came out to California. And before that it was, what, the Oregon Trail type of idea where people are coming out in these caravans and trying to settle. And then there's the boom in 49. But it's crazy to look at the amount of time that elapsed between that. And then you see pictures of San Francisco in like the 1860s. And it's a full on city.

Yes. It's like, how did you build, with horse and cart, how did you build all that that quickly? And now there's like a million people there. And did all of them bring their own tools and everything? Where their hardware stores showing up with supplies regularly to make sure that the tools were provided, the nails that went into building structures like that. I mean, just, again, the raw material access. Where was it all coming from? Yeah.

It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. So the, you know, obviously the standard explanation, it points to, you know, improvements in agriculture and sanitation and medicine, all that helped reduce mortality rates, but better food production meant fewer famines. The advances in hygiene reduce the spread of disease, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But when you look really close at the numbers, the math ain't mathin. The rate of increase is surprisingly fast.

These cities expand rapidly. New neighborhoods just appear. Institutional systems grow to support larger populations. One example that, well, we brought this up earlier, but the orphan train thing, and these programs operated for decades and involved, like we mentioned, tens of thousands of children, and it's like, where did all these kids come from? And alongside orphan trains, the 19th century also saw expansion of orphanages, orphanages, reform schools, hospitals, and these asylums. And that's a whole rabbit trail too with the asylums. Yes. So again, he's pointing to the the asylums and the hospitals with the architecture and all that kind of stuff.

But the textbooks at the time, so public schooling became a little bit more standardized during this time too. And these shared historical narratives became more widely distributed. And yeah, obviously with the creation of standardized textbooks and all that stuff, it created this consistency. and how events were described in helping create this common understanding of the past. And obviously that can strengthen social cohesion, but can also just simplify complex historical developments into a more, you know, teachable summary. Yeah.

So the reference to cabbage patch is it's kind of, it's just suggesting the idea of populations appearing within an already structured environment. Right. So in folklore, the stories about children coming from cabbage, patches or other unusual origins were usually used for like humor, simplified explanations for, you know, to kids, like the stork type of thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, like, oh, the stork brought the baby. I didn't bang your mom.

But yeah, instead of focusing on literal interpretations, the symbolism more points towards this broader theme of the continuity and the language changes and all that stuff. But the cabbage patch thing is you could probably do a whole show just on that because if you've never heard of that before. It's really strange. I mentioned it on the last plus show, I think, but you can find pictures of these postcards of these children being brought out of cabbage patches. And the whole thing is just bizarre. It's another one of those things I don't remember hearing much about. Maybe it's because it was just there for a humorous, easy way to say, oh, babies come from the cabbage patches, you know, but I don't know. Guy, guy thinks differently.

No, for sure. And we love you, Guy. You're my buddy guy. And another Katie, Noles, dear friend of mine, shout out. Dear friend of all of ours, actually, she's wonderful. She pointed out the red blue thing, because I talked about red blue, of course, the hot, cold thing. She said, of course, in these postcards, it's also noticed that the babies, the boys were wearing pink and the girls were wearing blue, because blue is more associated and feminine with girls and pink, vice versa. So that was one of the changes as well that inverted was the inversion of the assignment of the colors of boys and girls. And now you have, of course, all the gender reveal shit following that narrative of well with pink and blue.

But that's one of the narratives, and it's displayed in these weird postcards, man, they're like this odd clipart shit. And a cabbage patch does imply that a garden is there and that it was already set up and that you were farmed to exist in an environment that already was populated. And you have a purpose. It sounds more like you're a commodity at that point, right? Maybe a material, but perhaps the commodity can become self-aware, and that's what this is. Right. And then you get into the incubator babies and all that. So, again, I'm just, I'm presenting this more as just kind of an overview of the idea in general.

If you want to get more of the details, I highly recommend you just pick up this book. And also there's a plethora of information everywhere else. Like you said, Michelle Gibson does a lot of this. And it just depends on which rabbit hole you want to go down if you're even interested in this kind of stuff. Because he tried to bring a lot of these ideas together into one, one volume, you know. But there's so much, so many other ways you could go with it. He gets into clones in some of his books, and he thinks that, you know, humans have been cloned for a long time and not just celebrities and all these crazy ideas, but he thinks they've been cloned for a long time. So super interesting guy.

Templates and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like Keanu Reeves, have been around for a real long time. And obviously, you can get into crazy town territory with some of this. And people, it's the internet. People go way overboard. But it's still fun.

So, God. You're interested in this stuff. So much fun. I love it. I will link to that in the show notes, of course, and I'll also link to his other books if you're interested in going down a specific hole with all of this stuff. But thanks for joining us. Stick around for Plus if you're on Plus.

Otherwise, we will catch you next week. Did you want to give us a quick preview again for what you got coming up? Absolutely. If you guys missed the last Plus episode on Tuesday, go check it out because it's awesome, first of all. Second of all, we are going to continue that because there's just a mad area. We started with the Michigan monsters with the melon heads and many more monsters. But we're going to continue this. And we talked about a giant green squirrel the size of a beelic, which were also, I've found more on.

A couple articles I've linked with it too. And a few other things. There's this thing that I'd never heard of called the, what is this? The Nain rogue. Have you ever heard of this? N-A-I-N-Rogue. Two words. It's a devil dwarf.

And it's a rare urban monster. and it appears just before awful events. And it lists out a few of these awful events that this thing appeared before, but this is a folkloric legend out there. And according to folklore, it showed its ugly face prior to the Battle of the Bloody Run in 1763, in 1805 fire that decimated the city there.

General William Hull's surrender of the city to the French army in 1813, shut up right before that shit. And then there was this, the race riots in 1967. Boom. popped up. And then also the, there was this awful ice storm in 1976, and he popped up right before that. And it's got kind of like Mothman vibes, but it's a completely different character. We're also going to get into a few other things that are running around out there and some stuff under the water and the Great Lakes, because not only does it have land-based freaky woo-woo,

there's all sorts of aquatic fun happening out there. And we're going to get into a few of it. So sign up in the links below, guys, check that out. You can as well get inescapable up through April 14th, which is rapidly approaching. So definitely take the guys up on that. And thank you again, Joe. That was awesome. And we could do millions of those guys. I love your face.

I've seen your work and you're just awesome. So thanks again, well done. Guy, thanks for sending me that book. And I hope that gives people a general overview of this idea. If you've never heard of these ideas before, then that should give you a good start at least. But definitely check out his other books if you want to get deeper into it. And again, be linked down in the notes.

but everybody have a great weekend and we will catch you next Friday. If you're on Plus, stick around. And for Brandon's cool stuff, it's got coming up. Yeah. All right, everybody. Have a great weekend. Welcome to your Plus extension. And thank you guys so much for being with us here on Plus.

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