Mysterious Universe - 35.15 - MU Podcast - The Lunar Question

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

Was the Moon just a byproduct of planetary chaos, or does the Earth–Moon system show signs of deeper structure? In this episode, we dig into Who Built the Moon? by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler, exploring the strange mix of astronomy, ancient measurement systems, and numerical relationships that led the authors to question whether our nearest celestial neighbor might be more unusual than we’ve been taught.  Welcome to your Plus+ extension as we wrap up this “Salts of Salvation Saga Series” with a look at each of the salts in association with you and your loved one's zodiac sign, and some remedies for the deficiencies found in those signs as given at birth. There is a bit of a "gross wording warning" for the squeamish as some of this may be perceived as blasphemous and graphic due to the honest nature of the information.  Who Built the Moon? The Venus of Laussel Mathematical Treasure: Ishango Bone Healing with Homeopathy & Tissue Salts of Salvation - The Principles Podcast Spacebusters - Healing with Homeopathy & Tissue Salts of Salvation Book - The Zodiac and the Salts of Salvation PDF - Zodiac and the Salts of Salvation Book - The Biochemic System of Medicine Book - Facial Diagnosis of Cell Salt Deficiencies PDF - Man, Minerals and Masters - Charles W. Littlefield PDF -  The Chemistry of Human Life - George Washington Carey PDF - HOW TO USE THE TWELVE TISSUE SALTS - Esther Chapman Article - Tissue Salts for your sign Article by WortsandCunning.Com - Starmaps : The Astrological Body LinksPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE.Links Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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GoogleFi Wireless is not subject to data traffic deprioritization during times of high network usage. to Mysterious Universe, season 35, episode 15. We are halfway, actually more than halfway through this season. Son of a bitch. We have a break coming up in July, and that'll be our first official two-week vacay for us. I am Joe Hodgian joining me, as always, is Brandon Thomas. Good day, mate.

Good to see you, always. Yeah, good to see you too. How's your week going? It's been spectacular, honestly. A lot of focus, a lot of directed focus, undistracted focus. and seeing incredible results, my man. Yeah. Nice.

Yeah, this, if there's anything I've noticed about doing this as a profession now, is that it does take a lot of time management skills and definite focus, especially since we're doing this from our, I mean, our houses, like we don't have an actual studio yet or anything. This is, I have a dedicated room for the studio, but it's a double, I was going to say a double-sorted blade, but yeah, whatever works. It's, it's hard because I, like, I got animals constantly wanting stuff for me and doors slamming and things going on in the kitchen.

But it is also nice because when I get done with work, I get to go out and I'm just instantly in my kitchen. So can't complain. This week, though, we have, I mentioned it on the free show on two or the plus show on Tuesday, but I wanted to give a shout out to the mysteries of Durlin County. It's a dorky, dumb humor audio drama that's out there. And if you're into that kind of thing, this is the show for you because me and my wife have been doing some voiceovers as like actors, I guess. But we play cult members, just a quick heads up. But it's a fun show. And you'll definitely enjoy it if you like audio drama.

So that's the big reveal there. Now, to be fair, you said that we weren't going to start cults based on the raw material because the guy started a cult kind of and then killed himself. But then you also are now playing a cult leader in an audio drama. Do you see how, like, slippery of a slope this can be, my friend? I know, and I've got the hair for it, too. I do. I got to watch myself. Oh, and update, we should be getting our library of books in soon.

We're still waiting on the final ETA on that, but hopefully that's going to be coming in soon, and we'll just have all kinds of new weird stuff to look into, as if the 24 gigabytes of the archive isn't enough. It really isn't, like, nothing's ever enough, so I can't wait to have the hard copy books in. and start digging through all that stuff. I keep finding new sub files in the thing. I'm like, oh, okay, there's a list of a thousand things, and I'll click one of them, and there's a sub list of a fractal,

more thousand things that you could also click on. I'm like, holy shit, it really is truly just this narnia of information. It's so cool. Yeah. Well, yeah, because a lot of it's like the old, like, fate magazines and Nexam or whatever those other magazines are, and they have all kinds of cool little tasty tidbits in there,

but you've got to put them together, and it's like, it does become a lot. It's a whole tapestry. of all kinds of stuff going on in there. Just puzzles waiting to be arranged. Very cool. Can't complain though. But today we're going to get into Who Built the Moon?

And this is by Alan Butler and Christopher Knight. And I couldn't. So on Amazon, the paperback at least, says it was published in 2006. And for all the old timers out there, Ben and Aaron did cover this book about 10 years ago. But I think it was on a plus show. So we're bringing it to the free members who maybe didn't hear that one. but it's a really interesting take on the moon and all the weirdness associated with the measurements. It's a lot about, it is kind of dense as far as, you know, the measurements between the Earth and the Sun and the Moon, all these relationships.

But it's kind of worth a go over, especially since the Artemis Mission just, as far as we're told, just dropped down last week. And so, yeah, a lot of this is kind of, they're very, careful to stay on the, you know, the widely accepted, I guess you could say, narrative of things about what the moon is, but they, you can tell they're kind of leaning towards this is a, this is a, the moon's too weird to just take at face value that it was a chunk that fell off the earth or, you know, got dragged into our gravity or something. So they go over, that's the point of kind of the, the dense measurement section of this is to kind of point out how coincidental all of these things are to just line up the way they do.

So just kind of doubting Thomas the whole idea. Just, okay, we heard the accepted science version of it. Now, maybe it's something else. Well, yeah, they're using, and I love this approach too, because they're using the mainstream accepted measurements and all that to kind of show, doesn't that seem odd? Doesn't that seem a bit too coincidental? That's suspicious.

As we'll get into, yeah, mainstream astronomy, He does just go with that. It's coincidental. I mean, how lucky are we? But how often in science has that been an acceptable answer? So we'll kind of get into that because they kind of start out, and this is, again, Alan Butler and Christopher Knight, so I'll just hear-to-fore refer to them as they-them. They-them?

Because it is 2026 now. Yep, how progressive of you. Yeah. They start out early in the book just by kind of pointing out that. humans didn't just casually notice the moon at some point along the way. It's been sitting at the center of how we understand time for basically as long as we've been capable of understanding anything. And there is, I think there's another book too.

I'll have to look it up, but it's basically a book on a civilization that saw the moon appear or didn't know the moon was there or just didn't notice it or something. Yes. This is something I was going to ask about. Do they address the thought that the moon was either brought here or wasn't always here and that there was a humanity observing it, meaning then that the idea that the tithes depend on life based on the moon could be called into question,

because if somebody was here living without those effects, how does that explain? Basic thing they're alluding to is, like, in the tone of the book, I don't think they really come out and say that specifically, but you can tell it's kind of what they're getting at. Right, right. So, yeah, when you start thinking about how early humans would have experienced the sky, it kind of makes sense why the moon would stand out.

It's obvious the sun is kind of the same. overwhelming thing in the sky and you can't stare at it because it's too bright and the stars move slowly enough that the changes aren't obvious night to night unless you're really paying attention but the moon is doing something constantly visible it's it's always changing shapes it's you can actually watch it move across the sky i've done this out in my backyard i've watched it from a single point and literally seen it move past a tree like it's it's fast enough where you can actually watch it move in a pain in the ass in a telescope have you ever looked out of the through a telescope. Oh yeah. No, I have a telescope and I've put my phone on it. It has a phone

adjustment or phone holder things. And I've taken some pretty decent pictures of it, but it is a bitch to focus on. Well, and you're constantly moving the damn thing. You're like, here, honey, come come check out this crater I just on. She's like, what do you mean? He looked back and it's gone. You're like, son of a bitch, and you've got to chase the damn thing. Yeah, and I'm by no means a professional astrophotographer. So I have little more than a toy telescope. It was like a hundred bucks. So counts. That's science. It's still fun. and still an amazing shot for an iPhone. But yeah, so the moon's always doing this noticeable things

and the obvious cycles that go over and over again. And you don't need math back in the day to notice that something's happening there. And they actually start out the very beginning of the book with the example of the total solar eclipse that happened in August of 99. And they kind of say that even in modern times, with everyone totally aware that eclipses are just, you know, these apparent orbital mechanics playing out, People still travel large distances just to stand outside and watch it happen.

I mean, the streets fill up. There's people passing around welding masks so strangers could look, you know, safely up at the sun. Yes. My buddies in the auto shop did that. They showed me through their welding glasses. I'd never thought of that before. And I was down there by fleet. And they were like, here, check out through this.

I was like, oh, yeah, that's brilliant. And it looked cool as shit. And then last year, we had the huge, or a few years ago, we had the huge one. And I have a pair of Dysonian dye goggles that I got from the museum and Tara guy. and we sat out there and looked at them through the phone and you could see these different reflections. It's got Tyler Hansen grabbed part of it and said that that's why we had multiple firmaments.

I'm not claiming that. I'm saying that we caught the footage that he passes around. And it was really cool looking. I mean, everybody, you know, we laid outside on the blanket and everything. It was just a, it's an ordeal, man. But then there are superstitions that say you shouldn't go out during the eclipse because it's like, I don't know, bad for your soul or demons are running around or some shit. Yeah.

No, and there's still noticeable things that happen. Like birds stop flying. you know, that yes. And thinking about it, uh, from an early man or early civilization point of view before they had,

you know, all these, uh, astro mechanical, you know, computations and whatnot. Daylight dimming in this pretty unsettling the way in the, in the middle of the,

the day would be something, you know, catastrophic to early, early ancient people. You'd have to do cocaine about it. Right. A lot of it, too.

Mm-hmm. So imagine experiencing that, but with zero prior, explanation at all. There's nobody who's like, oh, it's the moon moving in front of the sun or whatever. You wake up, you're going about your day, and suddenly the sky is dark in the middle of the day. What the fuck? Oh, my God. Oh, okay. All right. I guess I just keep doing what I was doing then. Yeah, especially depending on where you're at in the time of the year this, you know, happens. The temperature noticeably drops, too. Animals start acting strange and there's this glowing ring around where the sun was used to be.

And seeing it for the first time, you'd be like, oh, no, is the sun ever going to come back? Or are we just stuck in this weird twilight. It's like a cosmic prank from the gods or whatever. They're like, watch this. They all freak out in wave across the realm. It's great. Watch. They think something just fucking broke up there. Yeah, they told so many kids

because of this. Check it out. Yeah. And that's kind of what they're wanting, you know, what I feel they're wanting you to think about is not just that eclipses look dramatic, but that they can happen at all. So for the moon to completely cover the sun from Earth's point of view, their apparent size and the

sizes in the sky have to be almost exactly the same. And this is kind of a running thread through the whole book that the sun, again, according to, you know, the measurements were given, is enormous compared to the moon, almost 400 times wider. But it just also happens to be 400 times farther away from Earth, which makes these two things line up almost perfectly when, you know, depending on where you're at again. Isn't that interesting? It's co-winky dinks, dude. Co-winky dinks galore. right and so that exact 400 times you know difference is what produces that clean edge of a total eclipse instead of just a partial overlap so the proportions are even a little bit different eclipses would look totally different from what we see now right and again astronomers are perfectly comfortable calling this coincidence and i guess technically that's fair but uh the authors are kind of they lean more into like how strangely tidy this coincidence is especially when you consider how many variable variables are involved in, you know, what we're told is planetary formations.

And it isn't just the size match either. The moon also moves through the sky in a way that mirrors the sun's seasonal path. So when the sun hits low along the horizon and winter, the full moon rides higher in the sky. And during the summer, when the sun is high and dominant for these long stretches of daylight, the moon tends to take a lower path. And the geometry behind this involves, you know, what we're told is Earth's axial tilt and the tilt of the moon's orbit relative to Earth's path. around the sun, all these things that you learn in school,

or hopefully you, maybe not hopefully, you learned in school. And maybe we would say to that. That's a possible explanation for it. A possibility. A possibility. And most people never even think about this or notice it unless they're deliberately tracking where the sun and moon rise and set throughout the year,

kind of like what you brought up on the last show with the, what's it called? Analam. Yeah, you spelled like Anil Emma. And that's how I remember. remember it. Mm-hmm. Oh, it's a great mnemonic device.

Anolema. Anelemma. Mm-hmm. But yeah, once you start noticing that, though, it's pretty obvious. There's this structured relationship between these two things. And that idea that the moon behaves in a structured and predictable way goes extremely far back in human history. There's been archaeological reports that kind of suggests that humans were carefully

observing these lunar cycles tens of thousands of years ago. Sure. Little things like carved bones discovered in France. They show these markings that at least appear to correspond with these repeating lunar phases and cycles and kind of would look to be like an early calendar. I can't wait for Jim to die. His famer's going to make a hell of a calendar. What are we going to name this month after? There's one example from Abri Blanchard and has markings consistent with two-month lunar cycle with a two-month.

lunar cycle, indicating that someone was tracking changes in the moon's appearance long before the written language even existed. There's another artifact from Central Africa called the Ashango Bone. That's fun. And it contains sequences of notches that many researchers are seeing as like numerical groupings tied to these lunar observations. So when you see these similar behaviors appearing in these locations that are thousands of miles apart, it kind of makes you think that noticing of this moon cycle, wasn't some isolated, you know, curiosity or something, just a couple people were looking at. It was kind of this widespread, useful information type of thing. And it would have, it would have been one of the easiest repeating natural patterns to track

because you don't need tools or lenses or anything. You just basically need patience because it's, as we'll get into, there's like an 18 and a half year cycle that apparently a lot of people back then were figuring out. Any patience and a reference. Yeah. Right. Yes. There's also the Venus of Lasol carving. It's this limestone carving found in France that dates back around 20,000 years, if you can believe that.

The figure is holding a curved object marked with 13 lines, which sounds a lot like the 13 lunar cycles that occur each year, which is why we should probably have a calendar that is 13 months, 28 days each. Things got some sweet tits, too. I'm going to share screen and show it to you, because it would be selfish. Shamias is a good partner or not too. Look at these tits. Look at that. Oh, why would I say no to that?

Check that out. Boom! It's got the Fupa, too, the front butt. The beep-po-pe-pe-po-pe. A lot of those old carvings had that, and it was like a fertility thing. They're like, oh, look at how big my gunt is. This thing looks fertile as fuck. Look at that.

Oh, yeah. She's ready to bear. Full of child. But holding the horn, and if we see it, it's a ram's horn, if we're, you know, it looks like a ram's horn, which could signify the age of Ares, maybe. And then there are 13 notches on it. Yeah, that would perhaps correlate to the moons. And then the woman's menstrual cycle, 13 cycles per year.

And that's how they would track it there, the moons. And our menstrual cycles are synced yet again because that's the next thing I was going to go into. God damn. Reading each other's minds. I love it. Yeah, this whole interpreting the moon cycle of fertility, and that shows up everywhere across early cultures. I mean, like you said, the average menstrual cycle lasts about 28 days,

which is very close to the length of a lunar month. Obviously it doesn't take much imagination to see why these early societies might have connected those particular cycles and rhythms. When something in the sky lands up closely with something happening in the body, humans like to assign meanings to things, even if there isn't any. But like we've gone into as above so below, it's easy for those early people to go, wait a minute, something's going on here. Why do these match up? And that's to say if they ever didn't know it in the first place. and this is to toss ignorance on the ancient folks and to say that they didn't know exactly what the hell they were doing here. And perhaps this is more art so that lizard turds couldn't tell that they were depicting in this amazing-titted woman here.

Then I'm going to go ahead and link an article about guys so you can share on this. It's a woman standing there with a horn, 13 notches. And so things like this are encoded. And again, that's to say that and not to malign the ancients. That's the whole point here is maybe they were so in tune with this that they got the as above so below nature of it. you talk about the indigenous folks talking that they lost a sight after they started integrating where there was sort of a vision that they had of lights, of interconnectivity, of communications happening that were unspoken, but they could see visually with colors and they could see sound

and things like this. And they lost that when they were domesticated by speech and writing and reading and things like this. So perhaps again, maybe they knew exactly what the hell they were talking about. And they were just doing their best to pass it down to us dummies in this time when we were going to be removed from the wisdom. Right. And we'll get into kind of how that information is passed down over the generations. But, I mean, there's even the Egyptian mythology links with ISIS with lunar symbolism and the Greek tradition associates Celine and, guess what, Artemis with the moon.

Ah. Aply named moon mission. Yeah. Hey. And there's a... I happen to catch a video. I don't mean to. I don't do it on purpose.

somebody sent it to me and it was of people filming the astronauts they were all very excited to see these folks they were like oh look it's the astronauts but then of course somebody can see the camera of the person taking the picture in front of them and there's no one on there there's a blank stage there where there should be these bright orange objects that are in these jumpsuits right again or fuckery it's very interesting we're having a good time with it i saw i actually saw that same one today and of course you have the people are like it's ai and this is the the point where i're at now in time where you can't believe anything because there's always going to be someone in the comment saying that's AI. It's great. Yeah, that's awesome. And there's similar, you know, mythological themes even with a Celtic or Roman or even Mesoamerican traditions that, you know, associate the moon with this feminine or fertility type of thing. So, I mean, even the structure of the calendar still is connected with this, you know, the word month traces back to the moon cycle, moon through whatever. And some religious holidays still rely on lunar timing. Easter, for example, set up the first Sunday following the first full moon after the spring equinox. Right.

But the Butler and Knight here are basically just pointing out that way before formal science, humans were already using the moon as a way to organize experiences because it marks time and predicts tides. And it has a lot to do with planting and the timing of that type of thing. Well, this is the thing about Easter. What does it celebrate for the Christian tradition? the death of Jesus actually or the resurrection I guess technically right which happened at a very specific time in history did it not but yet their cool was just kind of oh maybe this month or that month we're going to do it the first moon after the thing you know we'll just do it yeah it's consistent arbitrary and moves around though but it's very very important it's the hallmark right it's the whole point it's the whole point yeah and they kind of say that astronomy may have been the very first discipline where humans recognize that nature follows that these predictable rules. I mean, if you track the moon long enough, you notice that these phases repeat, obviously.

That's a lot of the stuff that they start out with is pretty obvious to most people these days, but then you can start noticing the eclipse patterns and then you expect it. And the ancient Mesopotamian astronomers even found out about what we now call the seros cycle, which is the eclipse is, you know,

predicted roughly every 18 years, 11 days, and several hours. And that kind of prediction, requires really careful record keeping, but across generations, which kind of suggests that knowledge about the moon was treated as something worth preserving. It wasn't just this, oh yeah, does this thing every once in a while. Yeah, yeah. They made sure people knew about it. Absolutely, in statues of women with tits. Yes. There's also apparent fossil evidence suggesting that around 30,000 years ago, humans began living longer on average, meaning more individuals survived well beyond reproductive age. and that matters because older individuals can transmit all this accumulated knowledge instead of having it disappear every generation because I mean tracking even the the 18 and a half year eclipse cycle it still takes 18 years of observation to and then another 18 years to go okay yes we're on the right track here with every roughly 36 years two of these happened or whatever yes obviously depending on where you're at I know it happens every year but if you're in one

location. And that's the thing, too. It's an interesting fact that a lot of the traditions and mythologies look at the zodiac the same no matter where they are in the realm. They just have a different legend about them. So, for instance, we're in Australia. Orion is tilted on his head. And they call him the hunter that fell.

So he's this dude that got tripped and fell on his head. So from their point of view, it's still a dude. He's still upright and in that, or he's still got those anatomical features of a humanoid, but he's tilted. And so therefore, there's a mythology about how he fell. on his head because of the position he's in in the sky. But it's still a dude. You see what I mean?

The same zodiacs, but they have different because of where they're at. It's so interesting. I know. So obviously these longer lifespans allow for more of a specialization in these disciplines that we'd call them now. And then the specialization leads to an even deeper observation. And then that produces better predictions. And over time, that whole process starts looking a lot like what we'd call science now.

Looks like science. And they also bring in the, you know, the megalithic sites like Noth and New Grange in Ireland where these carved patterns seem to appear to correspond with these lunar cycles in celestial alignments. And there is one carving at Noth has been interpreted by researcher Philip Stook as a representation of major visible features on the moon's surface, which would make it one of the oldest known attempts to map out the moon. I doubt they would call those things the same that we do now. but, you know. Right. Right. And they thought there were seas, right? And that what Galileo said, Mares, which is Latin for seas. So they thought it was a whole different world up there, with landmasses and oceans and all kinds of cool shit. Yeah. Own it all. Pay off your home, travel for life, drive a Ferrari. In celebration of the world premiere of the Monopoly, big board buck slot

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The new Grange megalithic site is aligned in such a way that light enters the structure at specific times of year, indicating maybe a deliberate astronomical observation incorporated into architecture. And that shouldn't be much new. I mean, even the pyramids. a lot of these old structures kind of even the sphinx certain times a year certain things seem to line up with these and so that's where you come into the debate of whether these megalithic

things were just marking astronomical things or whether there was something more because what the effort that was required to build these things seems to be a little bit deeper than just oh, the stars appear here, you know, at this time of the year, so we're going to build these huge monuments to that, unless they were that board back then, which I don't think so. I agree. I completely agree. And then in Zodiacs and Salts of Salvation,

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because of the zodiac if you look at it's got Aquarius and then you have its opposition which is Leo so it's it's about man taming the animal nature so the man's face which represents Aquarius because of the opposition on the body of Leo representing animal nature it's man transcending that and that's what it's supposed to signify and yes of course it's going to be lined up to the heavenly bodies as well I thank you for that I totally forgot to plug plus so that's all we get into this Yeah, we're excited about it. I could have just as easily plugged it any old time, too.

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Entertainment purposes only. Of course. We're not experts. We're just ding-dongs talking into mics. And they also, from there, get into a lot of not just how ancient people measured things, but why they would have agreed on this shared unit in the first place. Because once you start looking at these megalithic structures, not only across Britain, but also broader parts of Europe, there's a pattern that shows up again and again that these things were not just thrown together casually.

As I was kind of saying, these stones are all placed with intention. And they're usually showing up in ways that line up with these astronomical events and the distances between key points and these repeat in ways that maybe suggests some sort of standard was being followed. That's where this dude named Alexander Tom comes in. And he was an engineer, not an archaeologist or anything, but he looked at these stone circles and all these megalithic structures in the way an engineer would look at a machine. So he's coming out of thinking, okay, these builders had a purpose. And if they had purpose, then the geometry should show something about what they were trying to do with these things. So over the course of a few decades, he surveyed hundreds of sites and just carefully recorded all these distances between the stones and the angles, especially relative to the horizon and how different structures related to one another, especially spatially. And what he kept finding was that many of these sites appeared to use this consistent unit.

length, which he eventually called the megalithic yard. And that comes out to about 2.722 feet or just under 83 centimeters for our metric people. And at first, it doesn't sound like that interesting, but what kind of caught his attention is how often this measurement appeared in these site layouts that were separated by hundreds of miles and built, you know, across centuries. And so if that was accurate, it implies that people who had no writing system and no real, you know, centralized authority that we know of, at least across these vast distances, and no obvious way to distribute the standardized measuring tools or anything like that,

they somehow still working with the same reference length. And he kind of said that the megalithic yard was divided into smaller units, which he called megalithic inches, so apparently subdividing the larger unit into 40 equal parts. And whether every archaeologist agrees with that is obviously a different story, but Butler and Knight here are interested in the possibility, at least, that early builders had a practical reason for adopting this consistent unit. Because if you want structures to align with these astronomical events,

then obviously precision kind of matters. If you're trying to mark where the moon rises at a particular point in the long cycle, you can't just eyeball at once and be like, oh, that's good, whatever. You would need to observe that position over and over again and then compare these observations over years and then translate those observations into a physical layout, you know, some kind of standardized measurement.

But then the measurement might be the observations themselves. They may have determined that measurement based on the observations of the heavens. Like, again, maybe how far away the moon was from the horizon at these certain times or an average of that and that gave them that length. Right. That's what we're going to get to do. Shut the fuck up. Come on.

This is what I'm saying that when you look at this stuff, because if observation is key, then if it was being observed just openly and uninsured. influence, then yes, you would draw these same conclusions, right? And especially if you had some sort of, again, I'm feeling that the realm was much, much, much different. The way that they knew things, the way they came about information, and the way that they were also taught information, the way they perceived the world and their relationship to it. I think it was very different. Basically a different world back then. Totally, man. Totally. So yeah, they're,

they start wondering then if a standard unit existed, then what would it have been based on? Because body parts vary. We got into the cubit and how it's about 18 inches or the average length of the, you know, the tip of the middle finger. The elbow. Yeah. I was biting my tongue on this when you were talking a minute ago. Yes, because I was sitting there going over the different body parts. I had the joke of all, it was the

king schlong and juggler, ho. But then I was sitting there thinking, well, man, the distance from a leg or from a shoulder to the tip of the finger, but that varies so wildly. So yes, there needed to be a heavenly example of a standard of measurement. over time. Right, right. That doesn't change over the human body. A wooden rod or whatever they would use would shrink and warp over time.

The stone markers even erode, even as long as those last, they still erode. That's a brilliant. Yes, of course, because you could have been given some, like, let's say, best case scenario, okay, like some alien, okay? And it goes to all these different primitive tribes sitting around fires and hands them a tool. But that tool is probably made of a material. And over time, it either gets lost, gets copied onto something else. something else that like you said would then degrade or alter or fatigue be untrue is what we'll say

and the true is what you need and what is true at the clock above you man this is brilliant the sky clock wow yeah so a unit of measure is going to survive across all these years and it needs to be taken from something stable and observable by everybody so that's where they start looking at measurement and going back to astronomy again and obviously the earth itself provides several repeating cycles that could function as like a natural standard, the rotation of the planet establishes a consistent day length.

You know, then we have the year and then the moon phases are on the months and you go through all these cycles and so I guess if early observers were already watching the sky carefully,

then it would make sense to get some units of measure from things that anybody could reproduce by observation alone. Right. And one of the things they get into is that early astronomers may have conceptualized geometry differently than we do today.

So we divide circles into 360 degrees, mostly because of the historical convention that comes from Babylonian mathematics. But the authors here are saying that the Earth completes 366 rotations relative to the stars during one orbit around the sun. Right. So the difference comes from the fact that Earth is moving along its orbit while rotating, meaning it must spin slightly more than once for the sun to return to the same position in the sky. on consecutive days. If you're spinning around.

But if it's spinning around you, it may be understood differently. Right. And we're going off of, and the authors are going off of what we're given. Right, right. And this is funny too because even Tom's calendar includes 366 days. And it's divided by 75, I think. And that was the only way that he could do the math correctly, which I'm sure lines up with this as well.

Very interesting. So each sidereal day is about four minutes shorter than a solar day, and those tiny little differences accumulate across the year to produce that one additional rotation relative to the stars. And they're kind of saying that early observers who focused on star positions rather than clock time, as we do today, may have thought about circular motion in terms of 366 instead of 360. Which makes sense.

If you're going over natural cycles, you would go. go over, and that's probably, if I'm betting here, what they determined would be the longest length that they would measure off of. And then they would break that longer length, which represented the year down, because then the moons would then break that up as well. And that's how they would determine a measurement system. God, this is so interesting. So, yeah, so basically from there, they would say that a unit, unit of length could be derived from dividing Earth, Earth, circumference into fractions tied to that system. Earth polar circumference. is often estimated at around 40,000 and 8 kilometers, depending on how the measurement is defined.

If a circle representing Earth were divided into 366 parts and those parts were subdivided further, the resulting lengths can be made to correspond closely to the megalithic yard. And it's not, they're not really saying that ancient people, you know, calculated Earth's circumference using the modern methods, obviously, but that long-term astronomical observation could have produced, these proportional relationships that were consistent across regions. Right. Even though the Earth is apparently a pear-shaped or not.

What did they call it? What does Neil de Grassy Tyson say? They're a sexy pair, right? We bulge out in the middle. Oblique. Spheroid. That's right. We're just making shit up.

Electricity Gremlin. I love it. You just put more it together. It's in the movie. They're basically saying that the early measurement, especially the standardized measurement, may have come from observation instead of this abstraction that we use now.

They also discussed the geographic placement of these major megalithic sites, and pointing out that like Stonehenge sits near a latitude that produces an unusually long, near continuous oceanic circumference when traced around the globe, they argue that

such a line passing mostly through water rather than land would represent a geometrically distinctive feature of the planet's surface. This is one of those areas where mainstream archaeology tends to be a bit skeptical, but they see it as another example of how ancient builders may have been paying a lot closer attention to planetary geometry than we would assume. Oh shit, I just skipped ahead. Sorry.

Whoa. I just scrolled way down. I love that. I'll go into my notes and I'll click something and it'll go, whit. I'm like, no, motherfucker. I'm going to go find it again. I get it. I know. My scroll thing is backwards too, so if I push up the wrong way, it goes, ugh. They also bring up sites like Kalinish in Scotland, where the stone alignments appear to correspond with lunar. standstill positions. So the moon's orbit obviously shifts gradually over that 18 and a half year cycle,

causing the points where it rises and sets on the horizon to move slightly over time. And at certain moments in that cycle, the moon reaches extreme northern or southern positions relative to the horizon. And tracking that cycle requires patience and continuity because you can't observe an 18 and a half year cycle in a single lifetime without recording information

for future observers, especially if you want, want to make sure that that's correct over, like I said earlier, over like 36 years and then so on and so forth. Yeah, you got to convince your kids or somebody's kids to go out there every day and do this with you. You know, they're like, but dad, I want to do. Don't we have anything better to do? Like, try not to starve.

Yeah, this sucks. I don't want to watch the stars like you did and like grandpa did. Like the fuck you dads of the time. Yep. And, of course, this brings back in the idea of intentional knowledge transfer and the moon pops up again because the moon. because the moon provides one of the most visually accessible long-term cycles available without instruments. It's large enough that everybody can see it clearly and its obvious motion and, you know,

really measurable phase changes that everybody can see. And better than that, it can be tracked across seasons and years and centuries. Yes. They're basically saying that early scientific thinking may have been shaped by the need to understand celestial cycles well enough to predict them. And if those cycles became the basis for measurement, then astronomy would have influenced architecture and land planning and the layout of some of these ceremonial structures and maybe even cathedrals, who knows? Mm-hmm. And whether or not that's correct, the bigger idea here is that early, early builders appear to have treated the sky as a reference system. And I don't even think that's even arguable.

Now, again, this book was like 20 years ago. So I think more people are on that boat. Yeah. I mean, even something as simple as sun dials, right? We knew that they've been tracking the sun and keeping time by that for a while. Oh, yeah. So once they kind of finish laying out this idea that ancient people may have been paying a bit closer attention to these cycles and we give them credit for, then they start going out the moon a little bit more directly. This is where it shifts from archaeology into astronomy and they start talking about or talking less about how humans reacted to the moon and more about whether the moon's physical characteristics are as ordinary.

is we tend to assume. There you go. One of the things they were looking at is just how large the moon is compared to Earth. Like we're talking about earlier, this weird relationship between the sun and the moon. And to kind of bring that out more, most of the other planet moon relationships

across what we can apparently see in telescopes are tiny. The moons are super small compared to the planets they're orbiting. So Jupiter has dozens of moons, but Jupiter is enormous. Yeah. Mars has two moons that look more like captured asteroids than these like perfectly round,

were supposedly perfectly round bodies. And one of them allegedly has a huge monolith on it that Buzz Aldrin talked about. Oh yeah, I remember that. That's right. Yeah. But Earth, on the other hand, has a moon that is more than one quarter of the diameter of Earth, which makes this Earth moon pairing kind of pop out as unusual compared to the other rocky planets. Yeah.

And that size difference does matter. see, and size does matter because a large moon, apparently, what we're told, exerts a stronger gravitational influence on the planet orbit. So one consequence of that influence is long-term stability in Earth's axial tilt. So if Earth is tilted a little over 23 degrees relative to its orbital plane, that's what we're told gives us the seasonal variation because you're going back and forth, right? Mm-hmm. The wobble. Right. And without something moderating that tilt, the simulatory.

regulations they've run at least suggest that the angle could drift pretty crazy over long periods of time and produce more extreme climate shifts. And maybe that's where we get what they're, what are called, you know, ice ages and whatnot. It reminds me of the game skip it. Remember that as a kid? You slipped your foot to your ankle and this big ring and then it had a weighted end on the other thing. And you spun that around your leg and jumped over it with the other leg and it was supposed to be fun. But it's like this moon out there orbiting, but it rocked. your inertia a little bit and that was the whole point right is that relationship and that's sort of

what they're saying about the gravitational body series is because of its size like you can imagine a skip it a giant one like the size of a big yoga ball you could sit on or something that bitch is going to throw you around yeah it's just interesting when you start talking about gravitational forces and bodies that react through the mainstream science then yes they do need to come off some pretty interesting explanations for the things that are seen that are questionable yeah right uh the biggest explanation is that it's just a really lucky coincidence. Man, like where you were born, you happen to be born in the country with the correct God. How great is that? How lucky are you?

I know everyone is. Yeah, exactly. How wild. So they're basically saying that the moon acts as a stabilizing factor. So it doesn't lock Earth's tilt into a fixed angle, but it helps prevent dramatic swings that could disrupt these long-term climate patterns. Then they go into the tides because everyone associates the moon with the tides. tides. That's what shut down the throats, isn't it? Oh, life would not happen without the moon. And they don't really go into it in like a mystical sense because that's, you know, it's for a different show, different book.

Right, right. More of like a physical consequence of this gravitational influence that it has. So the moon's pull apparently causes ocean levels to rise and fall in repeating cycles, creating constantly shifting coastal environments. Some researchers have proposed that tidal zones could have played a role in early biological development because they repeatedly concentrate organic material in shallow areas where chemical reactions can occur more easily. Even if that specific scenario isn't the full explanation of how life developed, which I don't think so. What? That covers it, Joe. What do you mean? That covers it. That's it. That's it. We don't need to ask any further questions or books written on it. People have made money standing there talking to you about it. Okay, science is settled.

Science is settled, yes, sir. Of course, then there's also the way the moon has influenced the length of Earth's day. So early in Earth's history, and again, this is the official story, the planet rotated much faster than it does now. And over very long time scales, we're talking hundreds of millions of years. These tidal interactions between Earth and the Moon gradually slowed that rotation. So that gradual change affects atmospheric circulation and temperature distribution. which in turn influences a long-term environmental stability. And again, none of this really, and this is where they kind of are careful to not be like,

well, somebody made it, but I love that the title is Who Made the Moon? Yes, I like that, too. Because none of this requires anything artificial. They're just kind of pointing out that the Moon plays a more active role in Earth's physical system than most people realize, or think about, I guess you could say. And if it's, let's go woo with it, man. Let's go Alex Coyer, someone brought it here. It's a freaking machine or something.

then you have the influence pulsating on you constantly, right? The they live sort of ideal that there's a tower that's beaming down that you can't, it's masking the lizard terms but also keeping you in slavery. It's this ideal that, yeah, the functions of the realm would still continue. But life for the people who wrote the books, because remember that, who's giving you the message of what's important? If it's the realm giving you the message and it wasn't coming from the true wisdom, then it's on behalf of their motives and their agenda.

So for them, yeah, it's probably great for all life, because we get stuck in slavery, if this is the case, based on that Moon Matrix, whatever, Saturn Moon Matrix type of idea. And then now this is the soul trap also, because now that's got to come into play, you've got all these ideals that from a perspective, it's wonderful for the slave holders.

But again, ask who it benefits, perhaps. Yeah, and that's why I like looking at everything. Even the, you know, the mainstream explanation for a lot of these crazy things is helpful to look at just so at least you know where maybe some half-truths or straight-up lies are being weaved into actual truth. And you can't know that unless you're looking at all of it. So it's important to look at all of it.

The numbers they choose to throw out at your great examples of this, the satanic increments and sizes, the perfect speeds and ratios and things like that. Oh, you've seen that the sigil of, you can Google this, the sigil of Lucifer, which doesn't matter what you think about that. If you look up the sigil of Lucifer and then look at the way the light apparently comes from the sun and goes around the moon like that it's the exact same thing it's just crazy like how what are the odds i've used this as an example so many times there's an old eye chart with the way that the pattern of how the eyes receive light and it is identical to the sidereal lucifer

even the sidereal lucifer i feel that back part of it that comes down in hooks and comes back around it doesn't complete into two circles that's like the back of your two eyes is what i'd see there so Of course. Exactly. So cool. Yeah, again, so this, they kind of come back to eclipses again, but they're kind of emphasizing that the apparent size relationship between the moon and the sun falls within this narrow range that allows the eclipses to occur.

Look, we brought up earlier, the moon is roughly 400 times smaller, but 400 times closer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they, but astronomers actually consider this coincidence temporary because the moon is slowly moving away from Earth. And apparently they've done these laser measurements showing that the distance is increasing by a few centimeters each year, which means that far in the future, the moon will actually no longer appear large enough in the sky to completely cover the sun. And Butler and Knight find that timing a bit interesting since the period during which total

solar eclipses are possible represents this really small portion of the solar system's lifespan, according to the numbers were given. Right. The other thing I thought was funny is when I was talking about this with our buddy J.T. over there at J.T. follows J.C. And he's like, why don't we see the silhouette of the moon not only right before an eclipse? Like, you can't, wouldn't you see a black disc going all the way up until it covers the sun? That's just a normal silhouetting, right? There are so many challenges with the moon being physical when you start talking about eclipses.

It's very interesting when you look at things this way. Another one is that no eclipses have ever been filmed from space, yet we get two a year, and none of them have ever been filmed from space. Well, the Artemis just filmed one from the backside of the moon. Okay. It was a great picture they put out. It was totally not AI. It looked really real.

That's right. But the shadow moving across the earth from an eclipse I don't think has been filmed, or that interaction from space ever. It's just one of those odd things. Like they deleted the footage, really? They erased all the moon footage? The question I had is, like, so on a new moon, right? The reason that you don't see the moon on a new moon is because it's not reflecting any of the sunlight, right?

So from the perspective of the realm, yes. Right. Wouldn't you at some point, somewhere on Earth, at like dusk, say when the, when, you know, the sun's going down, wouldn't you be able to see the silhouette of the moon, like up there, like a black disc? Wouldn't you'd think you would be just, you know, thinking as a homeschooler here, you'd think you'd be able to see that. But that's not something we see. We just don't see it at all. Just a thought.

Even the simple concept of seeing the moon and the sun in the sky at the same time. Those are very interesting, like a full moon and then the sun right across. How is that? Yeah. Well, I guess the standard explanation is because it's straight across from the sun. So it's reflecting all of it, right? Mm-hmm. There's always explanations.

There are some interesting explanations. And again, when you start looking at it, there's an awesome lady called Nicole Murphy. If you guys want to take a listen to her, she's got some fascinating perspectives. She talks about this place from the Ken Wheeler perspective. It's possibly more of a territorial environment where we're on an inertial plane, not necessarily a ball hurling through space. Even, you know, Teeds argument, Cyrus Teeds about the cosmology, about the internal sphere. Again, this calls into question with similar observations. what we could be seeing, but it doesn't limit the idea.

It actually frees it from the restraints of the limitations of the idea we find now, such as the question you have about new moon. There's an ideal that it's all magnetism. And really that perhaps, if you go with this twirdle idea, that there is the Black Mountain or Hyperbore at the very center of this realm, perhaps, and it's got an effect and that there's a giant hole there that maybe there's a black zone within that is projecting our sun and moon, which there's simply projections or vibrable. from different realms.

And then if you look at it, that the other planets could be then just simply other suns vibrating in another structure of the realm, another layer of it, just a dimmer one at a higher octave. And then you bring in harmonics and music and all kinds of stuff into this, man.

Then it starts to look a little bit more interesting than the mainstream story that has so many questions about it. Oh, yeah. And again, these are just fun thought experiments, people. Yeah. Yeah, I just, The funny thing is that even the mainstream science will say that the earth is teroidal with having the north and south pole.

It does have that kind of teroidal effect, at least. This is not to infer a certain shape of the earth, but it does have a teroidal magnetic effect. So that's not even questioned. The concept also has an explanation for the Van Allen radiation belts, meaning the reason that you can't necessarily go, those belts of radiation that they're certain are there, they just called Van Allen radiation belts. they could perhaps be this dome or whatever, you know, this edge to the turtle field, which is just energetic in nature.

And then the question is, is there a way to usurp that or something bigger going on? Like a force field, like we said, yeah. Yeah, exactly. You look at Project Domino and Fishbowl and things like this that occurred where they were shooting off nukes in Antarctica allegedly. And hitting something about 13,000 feet up, you know, is that what they were hitting or running into? It's like this plasma field almost. Very interesting. So then we come back to the ancient astronomers who tracked this eclipse.

cycle of the seros cycle, which is approximately 6,580s. Tracking patterns that come about over these decades, again, require this continuity of observation, which again references or reinforces the idea that these early sky watchers were methodical record keepers. They also look at the moon's internal compositions. So, according to the mainstream, compared to Earth, the moon has a relatively small iron core in lower overall density, which is the answer. for why it has, what, is it a six, wait, what's the, I didn't look it up, the, the gravity that the moon's

supposed to have. It's like, anyway, modern planetary science explains this through the giant impact hypothesis, which, and again, even modern planetary science explains this through a hypothesis. Okay, that's interesting to know. which proposes that the moon formed from debris created when a large body collided with early Earth. But they're pointing out that while this model explains many aspects of the moon's formation, there are still details that scientists continue to argue about regarding orbital evolution and compositional distribution. They also talk about the interesting thing that happened, apparently, during one of the Apollo missions, where these instruments that were placed on the lunar surface recorded these vibrations that caused by impact.

and moon quakes. And because the moon apparently lacks these large-scale tectonic plate movements in internal fluid circulation like the Earth does, the seismic waves travel through it differently than they do through Earth. But that's the story of the Apollo Moon mission landing and ringing like a bell. Rang like a bell. That's right. And then they hit it with nukes. They hit it with nukes too, didn't they?

Well, that's what they say. I think they said that, yeah. And just plumped it. moon. Bring it like a bell. How is that a true story? How retarded are you that if everything's the way we're told, why the hell would you shoot a nuke at the moon?

What is wrong with you? Who is in charge? They had real estate locked down for a little while. They wanted to make sure that nobody was going to be there because of its uninhabitability after they set one of those things off. And so there's just no real estate up there, guys. It's all being claimed. Now, I did go ahead and check out the mass of the moon much less than the mass of Earth.

And due to that, if you weigh 100 pounds on Earth, you would only feel like you weigh about 16 pounds on the moon, 16 and a half pounds. So it's much, much, much difference. It's 9.8.1 milliseconds squared where the moon is 1.62 milliseconds squared. So your jump height is normal on Earth. It's six times higher on the moon so that you can jump away from those shark side of the moon creatures that are up there. You get an NBA level jump there. Yes. Yes.

So in other words, this Earth Moon system provides this, what they're really getting at is it. This exact system provides a stable environment while also making the mechanics of that environment visible to observers capable of recognizing the patterns that it brings. Yeah. And that combination is kind of what's interesting is that it's this, not only provides a stable environment, but then it also has this like sky clock, like you said. Like it's a visible measurement calendar that we can look at. If you'd like to, yeah, it's right there. Very cool. I love this shit, man.

I think it's so fascinating. We are going to get to Tom's calendar very soon because this has inspired me to kind of put the calendar work to the forefront for the new calendar system that he's got. Oh, let's do it. Yeah, we'll do that real soon. So then they start looking at it as less of this natural curiosity and more like something that can be analyzed the same way you'd analyze a machine. And not in the sense that they're saying there's gears and bolts or something hiding inside the moon. But I like to think there is. I do too.

Oh, again, the freaking... Like a death star. You know what I'm talking about when I say Alex Coyer, right? Where he would stand up there and rant about the hollow moon and that it was brought here and then it's a huge machine. And he gives the example of the death star. And then if you look at the moon, I think it's Ganymed, which is the one that looks like it's the Death Star. It's freaking out there in space. I think it's around Saturday.

It might be... Is it Ganymed? I think it's Ganymed. Anyway, there is one that has the little notch in it. It looks exactly like the Death Star. And then there's one that has a seam around the outside of it. so it looks like a nut to where it was like welded or something and not buffed. Isn't it the same one?

Maybe it is the same one. You might be correct on this. Again, I'm... We might have to... On the fly. We need on the fly? Okay.

But Alex Coyer, man, had the coolest shit. We may do a thing on just that guy alone and his work because the first I heard about the Hollow Moon theory, because I was obsessed with the inner earth shit. I heard of Gartha and Inner Earth and the, you know, bird stuff and Admiral Bird, and I was just like, what the fuck? It blew my mind. And then Alex Coyer comes sauntering into my life with this. hollow moon business and I'm just like holy shit same thing again gears uh inside very cool and the

brilliance of it actually with the mechanics of space this is how creative you get when it when it comes to the realm it says okay things are flying around out there you got radiation you got distances you got age you got time all this stuff then you come up with some really interesting creative solutions to how if the moon was brought here because i think he was pretty inspired by the idea of older civilizations talking that the moon was a time before the moon is what he said but if you think about it then of a civilization that could travel interstellar distances, it would make sense to hollow out a planetoid,

put all your shit in there, and then float the thing across space so that those little asteroids that scientists talk about don't harm you and they can just beat off the surface, which is why this one's potmarked to hell because it was sort of... Yeah, giggedy, because it was kind of drug through shit to get here and

all these things bombarded, saved you from radiation, all this kind of. And then you hide amongst the heavenly bodies when you get to this place and it doesn't look like an invading force, beaming down mine bullshit all over your planet, enslaving you. It was just a fascinating concept. We'll have to do something about Alex.

It's just a cool thing. No, so I looked it up at Saturn's Moon, Mimas. Mimas. It's famously known as the Death Star Moon due to its uncanny resemblance to the Star Wars Space Station. The funny thing is that this was apparently noticed from the Voyager mission in 1980, and Star Wars was written in 1971 to 73. So was Lucas ahead of his time?

Well, and that's what they say right about Roddenberry, the guy from Star Trek and Lucas and Kubrick, right, that they were kind of in on shit and they've been seen at NASA meetings and all this kind of stuff. Like they've been given advanced technology. And that was the thing that Roddenberry hung out with Skunk Works. Damn it. You know who I'm talking. Ben Rich. Rich, right? The guy from Skunk Works talked about that we have the ability to take ET home.

I think it's been much. Yeah. I don't remember his name though, but I remember that quote. Yeah, he and Roddenberry used to hang out. And so you've got the head of Skunk Works, Lockheed, hanging out with the head writer or creator of the most popular, one of the most popular sci-fi series of the time using all these interesting technologies and all kinds of show. Very cool, man. That's where you start asking, like, is it, is that when it was first discovered was 1980? Is that just when we were told about it?

Right. Like you said, maybe Lucas was given a heads up and he's like, oh, I'm going to make this Death Star look like this. a memus moon. Or did it come out and then the planet was found because folks expected it based on the art? And so did the tulpa of that moon was it created and just now it's out there? Because isn't it the thing with Saturn? They keep finding new moons with that damn thing. It changes any reference I looked at it, even at my most nerdiest when I was super into astronomy.

I would look and it would say anywhere between 60 to 120 moons this thing had. Yeah. They were changing all the time. So is this a tulpa because we expect spaceships and stuff because we had Sife. Moondella. I like that. A Moondella effect. It's just interesting, man. This whole realm is wild. I know. We'll wrap up here and get into Plus soon. But just to kind of close it. And again, this is, if we were to do a complete deep dive on all these books, it would take hours to actually go over all the things. I mean, this is why we recommend that you buy, get the Kindle for whatever you want to do. If you want to look into these things deeper and get their full argument on it. is because, yeah, an hour, hour and a half is just not long enough to be able to fully flesh out their arguments.

And again, this is a 20-year-old book. So keep that in mind. But yeah, by the time they're done kind of wrapping it up, the whole thing they've been building towards isn't really about proving the moon is artificial in this sci-fi sense, which would be way more fun. They never have, you know, this smoking gun that says, oh, this was definitely manufactured. What they're doing is just asking whether this Earth-moon system looks more like a random byproduct of planetary formation or more like a configuration that just so happens to be extremely helpful for producing long-term environmental stability. And they keep coming back to the idea that stable conditions give complexity the time to build. And if a planet's tilt swings wildly over these vast timeframes, climate conditions would fluctuate in ways that would make long-term, biological development more difficult.

And again, that's where apparent ice ages come in, right? Yeah. If rotational speed changes dramatically, atmospheric behavior changes. And if ties are too weak, ocean circulation kind of behaves differently, if cycles are chaotic, predictions become harder.

So they're basically saying that the moon is just the perfect, besides the fact that we're in the Goldilocks zone, as far as Earth goes, the moon also plays this huge, huge role in making sure that we survive. And the main thing that I got out of it was that the sheer size of our moon compared to all of these other planetary bodies that have these tiny moons that really don't affect their gravity or anything else the same way the moon does.

And again, the size versus distance, all these different things. There's so many, and there's so many more of these in the book, but just all these anomalies or apparent coincidences just really kind of point towards either somebody put that there or this whole system is it's like a clockwork like we say like it behaves like this well-oiled machine whether it's gears and knobs or not it's this whole well-oiled machine that's easy to notice and repeat and apparently measure from too so you can set your watch by it

I mean isn't that the whole point that's the whole thing very interesting man this shit blows my mind honestly they basically have these three possibilities and then we'll close on that but uh one possibility is that the moon formed entirely through natural processes and just simply happens to possess these characteristics that are beneficial another possibility is the aspects of planetary planetary formation are not yet fully understood and that future research may clarify why these configurations occur okay that's probably the most honest one that's a temporary truth right yeah and i and i The third possibility, of course, is that intelligence played a role in shaping planetary environments in ways that leave detectable structural relationships behind.

And obviously, the third is the most speculative. But the way that they put it in the book is kind of like, huh? What do you think? You could combine two and three, though. If you really thought about it, the explanation of three could explain two. And then that's the whole, this is so interesting, man. I am going to tease something that I'm reading right now. I'm not through it yet.

It's this from the mundane to the magnificent Vera Stanley Alder. I highly recommend it, guys. I'm going to recommend it again when I get to it. But as you're going through this, what I'm thinking about is there's a bullshit chapter in there. Well, what I thought was a bullshit chapter, chapter five? I was like, what the fuck is even the point of this thing? She talks about just these soldiers coming in to start occupying half of her house because it's set in wartime, blah, blah. And then finally, we get to chapter six.

And holy shit, chapter six blew my mind. I was telling Mary about it. I was like, are you kidding me with this shit? Because it's talking about, again, this cosmological cellular sort of biology to where it's all connected. And when you start talking about heavenly bodies and things, she's taken out of her body, kind of spoiler alert, but I'll go deeper into it. And she's shown things in this astral form. But the key to chapter six is that they shrink down and it explains why Chapter 5 exists because then they go into the poorer of a soldier's foot. so setting up that the soldiers were there is why we needed that.

We go into the poor of the foot, but she shrinks down even further and keeps going and keeps going and talks to a cell, and then keeps going and goes down and talks and sees an atom and sees that it's simply another solar system. And that it's all one big-ass thing that's a part of another huge big-ass thing. That's all scaled and fractal. It's turtles all the way down. And then she delineates the difference between physical site and electrical site. So there are different ways in which we can't even perceive the world. And then there's fairies and all sorts of things.

Entities actually conducting the mechanics that you're talking about on a deep level that she has shown. So we're going to go deeper into that. The nature divas are elemental spirits. Exactly. But she's talking about that they're pouring green onto the grass to make sure that it's green and that you can see it in distributing color throughout the landscape and that colors themselves are entities that are choosing to have that form and function to make the, realm possible. And it's, it blew my fucking mind, dude.

So we're going to go into it a little bit later on. But we'll probably do a calendar before that now based on this because I think that's interesting. And that's funny because I actually was getting back around to looking at more near-death experiences again. And I promised I would stay off of it for a month or two. But I found a couple more that I'm like, oh, man, I want to do these. But there's just recently a new, not really near death, but this chick, it just came out.

I just saw this story and it was from like March 26, I think. I don't remember her name. I have it bookmarked somewhere, but she basically spent three weeks in a coma. But to her, it was 20 years of raising a family, having twins or triplets or something. And it's one of these newer stories. And I haven't found the full breakdown on it yet, but I might include it as part of, you know, a segment or something. But just another example of these people living entire existences with this time dilation while she's in a coma. and she woke up super bummed out because she's like, where's my family?

Right. I had kids and a husband. Like, why am I here? Like, oh, that would be terrible. Dude, these stories trip me the hell out. Please do this, definitely. That sounds awesome. There was a guy who had a trip, like a heroin trip or something like this.

He comes back. He comes back to baseline, basically essentially. Same thing. Freaks out, loses his mind. Swore he spent 30 years, had the love of his life there, had children. This entire life was huge. and successful in his career and all of this kind of stuff. And then comes back air-closed to his physical body and was just super bummed out about it and couldn't handle it.

Damn. And like we've talked about, maybe that's what it's like when you die. You just wake up and you're like, whoa, that was, what a trip. Where's my kids? Where's my wife? Or your friend's nudging you. Dude, hand me the bong. You've had it for a minute.

Like, come on. Stop hitting the salvia from the gas station. Fuck. At least I'm, hey, at least I'm not a bed sheet for 20 years in this life. Thank the gods. Right. No, God. Well, and then think about that.

If you're in a vegetated state, what is time like for you? Because if it was three weeks for her lived 26 years, this is like some inception shit. You're on the planet for 10 minutes, but 30 years go by and that poor dude's up there on space thing by himself or whatever. Like, that sucks. And then if you think about someone imprisoned in a body stuck there, what's their time dilation like? Yeah, like the Rick and Morty, the Roy game where he runs that carpet or rugstore or whatever. We've mentioned it a couple times. But yeah, it's the same thing.

He comes out and it's been like 58. seconds or something. Exactly. And this is where you get into scale with the book that Vera Stanley is talking about, which we'll get into, but scale has everything to do with time. That's the relativity of time. It's how big you are. So are you then when you're going into one of those states, is your consciousness going into a smaller realm relative to your size? I would like to think so because that brings up the Ant Hill thing again. And to us, ants only have, what, a couple days of a life? But since they're so tiny to them, that might seem like 80 years. Right. Because of how full lives. Yeah, exactly. It takes them

weeks to do something, but really for them, the sun travels in seven years. It takes like years to go across the sky. Yeah. They're like, we've got to get ready for the long winter because winter's seven and a half years. Which is just night to us. It's so crazy, man. This whole damn thing, fascinating.

I love it. I can't wait to dig into more of these indiey topics. I'll probably bring that for the next plus show. So if you're on Plus, stick around for that. And also the extension coming up after the break. Again, that was Who Built the Moon by Alan Butler and Christopher Knight. You can, I'll link to it in the show notes. Pick it up on Amazon or Kindle or wherever you want.

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