Mysterious Universe - 36.02 - MU Podcast - Other Planets & the Universal Human

Episode Date: July 17, 2026

Welcome back to MU! In our continuation of Emanuel Swedenborg's works, he claims that for years he spoke with spirits from Mercury, Jupiter, Mars, Saturn, Venus, the Moon, and even worlds beyond our solar system. We follow his incredible cosmic travelogue, exploring how each civilization lives, worships, and contributes its own unique role in what he called the "Universal Human"...his vision of a living, inhabited universe, unlike anything else written in the 18th century. Welcome to your Plus Extension and thank you for joining us on Plus+! Today we happen upon some freaky happenings on, in, and around the strange area of a ceremonial county in Northwest England known as Lancashire. The Woo Woo concentrated in the area was enough for Author Terrence W. Witaker to fill a book with. This charming 1980 release is populated with priest holes, stacks of murders and therefore stacks of ghosts, unscrupulous Boggarts and, of course, screaming skulls that come included with the purchase of your new manor. Other Planets by Emanuel Swedenborg(New Century Edition) PDF - Other Panets by Emanuel Swedenborg Lancashire's Ghosts and Legends by Terence W Whitaker Lancashire Ghosts, Folklore and Forteana Video - Lancashire Ghosts - Lancashire Ghosts Video - The Original RENAISSANCE ITALIAN BILL Weapon Examined LinksPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE.Links Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Universe, season 36, episode two. Today on the show, we're going to be talking Emmanuel Swedenborg part two. Yes. And if you aren't on Plus, you missed the first, well, the first episode of the Plus season this year, this second half of the year, whatever. And I got a lot of great comments about that, actually, some emails and text messages and all that, because it's, it was really a wild look at things. and it kind of made a lot of things fit that we've been talking about with scale and all these kinds of ideas. So I decided I'd look into a little bit more. And thanks again to Quinn for sending over the second installment here.

And this one is called Other Planets. He has a bunch of stuff, too. So I'm going to have to look and do a couple more. But I have a feeling they're going to be a row and kind of along the same track. But this one was really interesting. It also ties a couple other things together. And we will get into that. But I am Joe Hodgden and joining me, of course, is Brandon Thomas.

What's up, bro? Good to see her. Stop, bro. Weird times. Let's just talk about it because it's weird. Let's do it. We're feeling it anyway, aren't we? Yeah, we're talking before the show about the, I don't know how much anybody pays attention to the weirder things like CERN, the large hydron collider, hedron, whatever it is. And, you know, people, there's the Mandela effects. Oh, CERN, you know, screwed up our timeline.

Now we're in that's Mandela effects, all this stuff. But I did notice, and I've talked to several people now, then they agree that ever since they shut it off again for maintenance or upgrades or whatever a couple a week or two ago, I didn't even know that. And I already felt totally different. There was something that just had like a switch was flipped. And I'm like, what is my sleep's all jacked up? Then somebody comes out, oh, it's because CERN got shut down and they're upgrading it. But you've been feeling the same thing. I know.

We were talking about it. different, just absolutely different. And it's interesting, too, you follow the timelines of when these things turn on and shut down and, you know, what happens during those kinds of things. I mean, you know, the 2012 one was one of the most remarkable because that was the historic discovery of the Higgs boson and they were super pumped about that, you know, the building blocks of reality is what they claim. But then when that happened, that was also allegedly the Mayan calendar ending. We did see a lot of really interesting shit that then set us up to move on into the upgrade, which happened from 2013 to 2015.

And then there was a little bit of an emergence there. And we saw something interesting happened, 2018 to 2021, long shutdown. And then they had some successful things happened, 22 to 25. Now, 26, we have the present longest shutdown, a long shutdown. And that's going to go on allegedly until 2030, which is also, which is also interesting and almost, you know, prophetic if you're into prophecy. A lot of prophecies kind of hint at that. A lot of psychic say or used to say.

Some said that that changed. A lot of government documents. Some folks said that's far out. They could see psychically. So, yes, a bunch of interesting things happening, Bubba. I feel different. My sleeve has been adjusted. Still no dream, so I'm still rocking the prime.

But I have been more ready for bed in the evenings and slept in a little bit later than I normally do in the mornings. And I've also noticed an abundance of productivity. Now, one could sit there on the surface and go, oh, we're getting more sleep, so therefore you're more productive. No, no, no, no, it's not that. It's, there are more, there's more time in the day. I don't know how to explain it.

There's more hours in the day, yeah, than that. The days are longer. The days are longer. Instead of this quickening that we all heard about, like time was speeding up, and it was. It felt like that. I experienced that sensation. I don't know about you. But like we were talking about before here,

that yeah you feel i feel like i'm getting a ton of stuff done look up it's lunchtime not dinner time and it's odd been been an interesting change the slow inning yeah the productive ending and we'll take it honestly but it's been ought i but a change is what we will say yeah we are noticing a change well and i was talking to brandon before the show too about how i get uh i don't even know what you'd call it if it's retro causality or whatnot but i i get these gut feelings at different times and i've noticed it through pretty much my whole life, but the most notable one being in 2019. And then, of course, you know what happened in 2020. We all just continued our lives and lived like normal and everything got better for the

individual. Yeah. A standard of living went up. Is that what happened in 2020? Okay. That's what I remember. That's how I remember it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just a weird time. And obviously with all this stuff with AI and Lish stuff going on, you know, but we're going to take a break from that and get into some 1700s philosophy. But before we do that, what do you have coming up in Plus? Yeah, so I found a fun book, Lancashers, Gousts and Legends. Check this fucking thing out. Written in 1980.

It's an adorable little hardback. And I'm just in love with it, honestly, the writing style. Every other word is something that is going to sound like I'm making up. They're places, peoples, and things that happen in this book. It's going to be like, I feel like I'm having a stroke reading it because it's set in the the bramblefer of Plumpton Funk and with the queen of Duke Edinburgh. who then moved off to the plumpfurter. It's these weird names, but fascinating stories in here.

So there's one about, quite a few actually, about screaming skulls. These skulls that allegedly are in homes when you buy them over there. And if you remove the skull, like a decorating choice, perhaps, it will haunt you, torment your house until replaced back into the manner. And there are several accounts of that. And they scream. They scream. Yep.

There have been a lot of interesting stuff with that. We've got some ghostly dames that we're going to talk about, these broads of old, that haunt this place as well as Bogarts. Do you know what a Bogart is? Somebody who holds on to the blunt too long. Yes, it's an evil spirit that's mischievous and unfriendly. Yeah. Now, they are helpful, but we're going to learn in here some different things about stuff like that interacting with it that I didn't know. Witches and stuff will only start screwing with you if you give them something, if they accept a gift from you.

So if you're offering gifts to these things, that's why they're screwing with you, allegedly. Now, they will be helpful as hell. They will do anything you want. Just don't give them anything, allegedly. Especially not your hair or fingernails. And yeah, yeah, you talk about physical things that you produced with your body. Maybe not. And maybe that's, again, something else you're given in some of these crazy cases.

But either way, we're going to go over some really interesting stuff. And it's just fun. Like, that's it. Screaming skulls, ghostly dames and Bogartz. Well, the fun is what the plus members are here for. So we'll be looking forward to that later. Come out. But yeah, we're going to be getting into other planets by Swedenborg.

Again, about 1758. And you can actually, I mean, we'll, of course, link these books or at least this book. I think it's Swedenborg.org or something. But there's a whole site dedicated to all of his works if you want to, you know, dive a bit deeper into more Swedenborg. But this one, he's very. basically talking to spirits from all the different planets. And I don't know if he, I guess back then, the idea of aliens as we think of them now wasn't really the same.

I mean, they didn't even have a way to comprehend, you know, a rocket going to a physical place in the sky. So his was all spiritual, you know, the way he talks to these things. And if you did listen to the first Swedenborg episode we did, he had this 12-year period where he just said the veil was kind of lifted and he's able to communicate with all these different things that are getting around. And it's really hard. The way I took it is that these entities from, we're going to start with Mercury, because that's actually the kind of the biggest part of the book. But the way he talks about him is really weird because he says there. they're fully human, but they're also fully spirit. They have human form.

Like they look like humans, but in the way he talks about when they show up, how like one's standing a little to the left of him under his elbow or one's a little to the right, kind of in the area of his knee. It's really strange. And it almost does seem like that out of phase idea that we talk about where it's like, oh, these, these realities exist,

but they're just a little bit to the left, you know? Yeah. just in the periphery. Have you done, you've seen things move in your periphery and you look, nothing's there? Have you ever seen that? I mean, shadow dudes are in the corner of your eyes and stuff?

Oh, yeah, yeah. And then they disappear as soon as you look, yeah. And then one thinks that maybe your eyes are just simply focused on a part of the room with a certain limited wavelength that we have talked about and that really, but it blends off to the side there to where you can't see, there is stuff going on. And there is, that's sort of the edges of your ability to see stuff in this phasing,

I suppose, like we're talking. about here? It almost reminds me of the DMT laser thing, you know, where if you look at it at an angle, you can see it. Or, I mean, obviously the scientific explanation is you just had a narch eye popcorn in it, you know, as soon as you looked over, it wiped it out of your eyes, so you can't see it anymore. What about those little floaties, a little microscopic looking things that when you look out in the sun or the sky, you can see it, it's on your eye. Do you know what I'm talking about? Okay. What the hell is that about? I don't know, but it freaked me out. I thought I was dying.

First time I saw that. I was like, oh, oh, this is the end. That's it. That's how you know. But it's been like 20 years and I haven't died yet. I see them all the time. And I know I've all follow one, but you can't follow it either. It jumps right away from your center of focus, I suppose.

Yeah. So weird. It's really weird. Yeah. Maybe that's where the sky jellyfish are coming from. That's it. Yeah. But yeah, so he's out there, you know, pontificating and writing down all these things he's getting from these apparent entities.

and I mean he said sometimes they'd hang out for months, sometimes a week. But when they'd hang out for months, he would just like help them with questions about where they came from and how their societies work. And they're like, what's life like there? And ubiquitously, very large word. Thank you. They all say that they like they understand God as this thing that he calls the universal human. and this is why I thought it tied a lot of things together because when we were talking about scale

going in the dude's toe, all that stuff, when he attributes different planets and different sections of the galaxy to different parts of the human body, it's almost like he's looking into the cosmos of all the cells, you know, and going, oh, that's attributed to the lungs or that's the heart.

But this book actually isn't focused so much on that. This is a little bit more abstract. he had uh the the way he puts different uh planets in uh like mercury for example is more the abstract knowledge of the universal human so he's not a lot of it's like that he's not really like oh this points to the organ of this or whatever so modern astrology you know more about this than me but modern or maybe it's not even modern but astrology uh does have attributes to the human body does it Does it not? Yeah, each sign is assigned to a particular part of the human body, which is why medical astrology works at all.

Which is why anybody not asking you for your sign is not really helping you medically to the degree in which you could be served. So yes, you have like Ares would be your cerebrum there, your very top of your head, the torus then the cerebellum, the lower part, and then it goes on around the zodiac from there. So the Gemini would then be your twins or your shoulders, your upper extremities, but they're also assigned to internal organs like the lungs as well, them being twins. So yes, you do have Leo being the heart and on down. Sure. And I know Scorpio does correlate to the weenus area. Right. The stinger and the pooper, actually.

Yep. The stinger. So yeah, he's out there. And even back then, he's looking out the sky and going, oh, there's no way that there's not other intelligent life out there. There's got to be, like, no matter what you think of what these things are that we see in the sky. He's like, there's got to be, like, basically, why would God create all of this just for, there only to be humans on earth and just to look at everything in the sky.

Yep. So, and this, this didn't seem like a radical idea to him, but he was also a kind of a goober and talking to spirits and stuff. So, you know, he says that that idea is common knowledge in heaven. That would sound right. Yeah. Yeah. And that every, every inhabited world has its own spirits and angels.

And after people die, they usually stay connected to the planet where they lived. and they still know what's happening there and they actually still continue to help the people who are alive which is really weird because the first one he's saying that when you go to the afterlife you're basically in these communities

of either you know heaven or hell or in between but I think that what he's getting at is that because of your you know like we talked about your internal drives or motivations and where you end up is because you're attracted to that.

It would stand a reason that you'd be more attracted to Earth after you die than, I don't know, Mars. And this is the other thing I was trying to get, trying to figure out is like, okay, so if these things, because the Mercury spirits are, they travel a lot and they just absorb knowledge. So it's like, are they on Mercury in a different dimension than Earth? Like, it's almost like all of these different places he's talking about. They're kind of human-like, like us, but they exist, again, like in it out-of-phase scenario. So that's why when you, you know, when we send all those rovers to Mars that are totally not somewhere in Canada. Devin Island. That's why it just looks desolate because it's not in the same dimension.

It's what I got from it. Yeah. It sounds like a little bit of both. Now, when I'm hearing Mercury spirits, I'm thinking of it more alchemically. So Mercury, Salt, and Sulfur from alchemy. So you've got those three elements in Mercury being this, I mean, it's a metal, but it's also a liquid, right? So it kind of defies all the attributes that are assigned to it, but it falls within all categories as well. So spirits do this.

They have human physique because the architecture of God seems to be what this is. And if we are as above and so below in this bitch, then they would sort of take on this architecture, if that's the deal. If that's sort of the scale at which we're on, if you look at it like familiarity is what I'm thinking. of whenever we think about why perhaps some folks or why Swedenborg may say that we stick around Earth. What if, like you said, Mars is so bizarre and weird that your mind can't contemplate sending you there when you die? And so therefore, you keep thinking about Earth, therefore you keep creating your experiences on Earth because you don't have really a lot of reference, I would say. Yeah. If you could think or know a planet was off, could you then choose to go there next,

tap into that instead of just continuing to do this because if it is based on your idea your disposition your vibe when you die like sweetboard talks about it's just what you're attracted to well if you die all of a sudden you're out of body you're like well shit i better hang around here because i have concepts that that is home i have an understanding that life comes from there so maybe i should hang out there and you don't think to go somewhere else there's also what Alex coyer talks about with the soul trap if you're going to the light it's because you think that that's the only place you can go And so you go to old familiar in what you've been coached through the whole time. But Alex says, this is his words, if you turn around at the end of your life, instead of going toward the light, there's a whole vast galaxy out there.

And then you just simply say, I'm going home and you go there, which is not to the light, allegedly. So again, it's I feel about familiarity is why folks would stick around. Same thing with these disembodied spirits that don't know that they're dead. They just, they don't know what else to do. Yeah. The limited imagination is what it sounds like. Yeah. And from his first book, it seems like maybe your continuous incarnation in the heavenly realms would lead you somewhere like that in the future.

It's almost like an infinite exploring of the galaxy or the God with human form. He likes that idea because he says it gives the mind something to envision. Because God's not something you can envision. So if you think of we're created in the image of whatever God is, then thinking of him as like a human. makes more sense to Swedenborg. Completely agree. And formalizing it that way, forming it that way, would then lend to the idea that that something else isn't put in its place for you to imagine and create instead because

you're that powerful. So if you stick with a similar architecture, for instance, if you're given this sort of, oh, God's everything, then you're giving someone else space to put an idea in there for you. But if we say that the architecture of man, that's very relatable. that's something that you yourself can contemplate and understand. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just, I mean, and for our limited human brains, you know, anything that's easier, makes it easier to understand is productive. We'll take it. So these Mercury spirits that he starts out the book with, he tells them that he's like, you're going to be shocked, but God actually came here on Earth to be a man. And they're not even surprised and they don't even argue or anything. They're just, they're like, the way that happened here. Like, why?

Why here on Earth? and they've kind of mulled us over for a bit and one of the spirits just goes oh well i i guess that must have been necessary for humanity and that's it they're just cool with that and it's so funny the way he talks about the mercurial spirits is that they're they're completely obsessed with learning just learning for the sake of learning and the first time they show up they don't even like introduced themselves they they're not like hey how's it going they don't ask how he's doing or anything. They're just like, they start digging through his memory. I can learn some manners. They learn about not being rude. Yeah, they just show up and just start

pilfering his brain. And he says that, like, most spirits can do this naturally. So when they come close enough to someone, they can see what's stored in that person's memory. It's like flipping through a photo album. So he start, they start pulling up like every city he's ever visited. And, but they're looking at all this, all these memories. And they couldn't give a shit about anything physical, the buildings or churches or anything. Instead, they were like, oh, well, what happened there? What kind of government did they have or what were the people like? So they, he notices that they're ignoring all this 3D world stuff and they're going

like straight for whatever the, you know, abstract ideas behind those things are. Yeah, what it felt like. And he's like, why, why? And they're like, uh, because we're interested in what's real, which is hilarious. Oh, that's the most real part would be. you know, the architecture, the buildings and all that stuff. I agree with the spirit. I get this.

I get why they, do you get why they're saying that? Oh, yeah. Because it's only real for us and only in this incarnation. So everything else is way more real. Exactly. Yeah. The experience is the only thing that's real. This is why it said that that's what's coveted is the experience.

It's not the, it's the pursuit of something often, not the acquisition of something, which is fascinating. So, again, the journey. Yeah, there you go. Not okay, yeah, the building was there, but the building was there so that you would have an experience. What was the experience? Like they're familiar with the catalyst. Now they want to know the outcome.

That's which is going to be different for everyone. Yeah. It actually makes more sense, especially if you're, you know, encountering spirits from a different dimension or whatever. But he says, well, to these mercurial spirits, to them, the afterlife is, it's not a mystery. that people argue over is just part of everyday reality because they exist in that reality. So it's not like, it's like, yeah, no, this is where we exist now. This is where we are about it. And they, they apparently just, their whole deal is just traveling through the cosmos, collecting information.

They don't care what it is really. They're just, they're data vacuums. They just go through and collect all this data. And he actually says that it, it's got the way that they, the way that they, the, way that they collect this information though is just for the sake of knowing they don't need they don't need to do anything with it like he said that the the pace of their wisdom is out of sync with how much data they're hoovering up all the time right because they're doing it just to know more and he said you know they they tell them they're like oh yeah even after all

this time of traveling and oh we heard this one area of the cosmos or heavenly realms as he calls has this piece of information that we don't know yet. So we're just right there, right now, learning it, hoovering that data up. But they don't do anything with it. It's like they're just a massive hard drive. They're kind of clinical like that, where they're just kind of like,

we just need data. That's it. And this is in the 1700s. It seems to be that's what's the, that's what is the curator of the Akashic Records, perhaps, because it's not emotional. It's not skewed. It's just there for the facts,

just the facts, and then it records them and then moves on unemotionally. It seems like it's just some sort of record-keeping entity for that. Yeah, it's it is like it's like maybe they're the stone tape people. Yeah, exactly. But I do like that he said, but their wisdom is out of sync because they have no applied knowledge, which is what it's all about. This is the difference between somebody who sat in a college for four years rather than going out and being in trade school and getting a vocation and getting their hands in

whatever they were going to do later. The difference is experience and man, there's a ton of missing. It's funny that they're that ignorant to how much knowledge is missing in wiping the experience away from it. You know what I mean? Like just being skanks for knowledge but not for wisdom. Yeah, they're almost kind of confused too by his saying, hey, why don't you like do something with this? Like, why are you just sucking up all this information? They're like, to know.

Like, are you dumb? It feels like a data, like a data center entity or something like this. Like its whole job is just to collect data. That's it. Yeah. So then they get really confused because he starts writing something. Well, they're looking through all of its memories. And he said every few seconds they're kind of saying like, yep, yep, that's right.

All right. Correct. Exactly. blah, blah. And he says it's like they're speed reading everything he's ever done or experienced. And they'd only stop when they found something interesting. And so he's working on this manuscript. and the Mercury spirits are like, wait, he's, what is he doing?

The paper and a pen, you know, so they want to read it. And he's like, no, fuck you. I'm not done with it yet. You can't read it yet. And they get super irritated and they start like insulting him and shit. And he said that they even press on his mind so hard that he feels like actual pain running down the right side of his head. And he's like, it doesn't injure me or anything.

It's just like it got his attention and kind of snapped him out of it. But so eventually they, They calm down, you know, but then they get angry and they're curious again. And they're like, so what did you write though? And he's like, no, I already fucking told you no. And they finally kind of leave it alone because they're like, well, we'll come back later and learn that piece of information that you're hiding from us. So these are spirits in his head that he can visualize if he wants, but mostly they're in his head. They communicate with him through there.

So he says he sees them or he perceives them. So, you know, it's kind of this hypnagogic, trans-like state where dreamlike, I guess you'd say. But because he'll describe some of them. I think it's the people from the moon. They're very small like dwarves. Okay. And they come up to like just under his left elbow. I think that was them.

But they're just like little kids or they look like little, like seven-year-olds. I think he said it was about how old they looked. Oh, like even immaturity? Like they look young? I guess. Like what is this kid doing driving the space? People from the moon. Yeah.

How bizarre. Well, and it's interesting, too, to think that they've got, they're in his mind rifling around, but that he still has some sovereignty over what they have access to, even within his own mind. Because he knows that manuscript. They could just dip into his subconscious, it seems, and evaluate it. But he has to consent to that, which is interesting. He didn't need to consent to any of the other shit. Unless it was tacit consent.

And that's true, too. They're like, hey, we're going to hop in here and rifle around. And it's interesting, too, that when it got to his writing, that they were prevented from just, willy-nilly skimming over and judging and assessing. He had to give permission for a creation that he was offering for them to view it. That's pretty interesting. Yeah, it's really, it's just odd. Just bizarre.

And also, just to let folks know, I did find the PDF, and I'm going to be linking it. It's free just down there, other planets, Emmanuel Swedenborg. And it is on his Swedenborg.com. Very cool. He apparently meets other people, too, like Aristotle and has a conversation with Aristotle. Okay. And I don't know what that. I mean, it's, he claims to have met a lot of people, but, uh, he said the conversation

with Aristotle goes along, you know, very differently. He said, you know, he comes, he comes across as thoughtful and direct and, you know, pretty humble, but he says the impression that he got is that he, that Aristotle developed like this philosophical language because he really needed to describe ideas he had already discovered. But he said later philosophers did the opposite. They learned the vocabulary first. hoped real understanding would follow, which is kind of how most people learn now. You know, you read the words and we're like, okay, I'm going to understand this.

But no, he said Aristotle came up with these words to get something through that he already knew. So I think that's what it had to do with kind of the mercurial thing. He does, they were kind of like almost making fun of like the Mercury series because he's like, you know, an ordinary child naturally thinks more logically than philosophy. for sometimes due after, you know, spending years and years memorizing these formal systems. He's like, this is like somebody learning how to dance by studying anatomy textbooks. Like, you can memorize every single muscle in the human body and still be a terrible dancer. So you have to, you have to have the experience and the knowledge kind of idea.

You could be, you could have a body for a really long time. Some folks just don't ever have the man. And there's nothing wrong with that. You just, you just don't. It's bizarre, too, to think that maybe these grays, that we're talking about because they seem to have similar dispositions. They're curious, they're unemotional, they gather info. It's very clinical, but they're in a physical form,

but they also have attributes that don't need some of the pieces that they have, allegedly, their mouths, their ears, their nose, all that kind of stuff. They seem to be more props than utilitarian. But if you're thinking about it that way, then these mercurial spirits, then allegedly could have just found some minerals on the moon, figured out how to create bodies for themselves, inhabit those bodies circuitry and then travel in those things maybe and this could be the grays that people are interacting with these actual mercury spirits out here on a knowledge quest

but they're doing it now through physical vessels rather than just have it to annoy a guy in his head they learned from Swedenborg well maybe after a couple hundred years they decided to start applying some of their knowledge yeah because that is funny because the mercurial spirits even though he says he can perceive them as looking you know human like he says they still don't use words. It's still this telepathic thing. See? But he said, yeah, he just, in great detail,

he describes how it's this kind of breathing from inside their body that just kind of like vibrates your eustacean tube specifically. Isn't that weird? That is interesting. And that that's how you're hearing it in your head is because it's vibrating your eustachian tube. This is how the sky of skull technology works. Yeah, pretty much. The government allegedly is this is a natural then thing that then was probably apprehended and made a technology to, you know, put words in your head, to think God was talking to you or whatever.

And obviously, it was also not direct work. He describes the way they communicate as having, like instantly relaying ideas or pictures or emotions. But he said their mouth kind of like would move a little bit too when they were talking. It's almost like a natural like reflex where they weren't using their mouth or. speaking out of their mouth, but it would kind of do a... Oh, bizarre. And he said they'd change their expressions as they were, like, talking to you psychically. But I don't think they had that word back then, the psychic thing.

That's why he's trying to describe this weird way that they're talking. Now we'd say telepathy. Right. Yeah. But he didn't have the words for it, but described exactly what was happening. Yeah. But that's, again, like you said, it's kind of a thing we see with the grays. So it's like, hmm.

Yeah, maybe they did just take us up on the experiential bit of it and said, you know what? we're going to yeah this is a way better plan now we can dick with people and gain the knowledge we need in this way yeah wow and so he does go on i mean he there's a long section on mercury and his weird you know things with him but he he does go on to the other planets too but in uh the next one's jupiter so nowadays i mean modern science says that jupiter is a big ball of gas right and we can't land on it physically because it's gas but somehow it still, you know, sucks in meteors from getting to Earth and all that. It's like our big shield out there.

You'd think parts of it would be solid by now if it's collecting. It's got a bunch of shit down there. It's caught. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. At least parts of it would be solid, like the middle. I don't know.

I mean, it fell in his yard. It's his now. Yeah. So, but he back then was thinking of all these planets and shit as solid physical world. And that's why it was so confusing because he, he's, literally saying they're solid physical world where other humanoid like people live but they can also come to you in spirit form it's such a we that's what makes me think he didn't really have the dimensional vocabulary like it seems like a contradiction because he's

like no they're physical humans but they're they're in heaven they're in the heavenly world so which makes me think aliens and shit are interdimensional travelers or they're you know just out of phase or whatever well because what do you hear about this i mean you hear that sometimes in these galactic federation stuff no we're not here we're telepathically sending a message to you and we can apport every now and then these semi-cuporial things that can talk to you but mostly it's through messages and thinking and feelings like you said complete thoughts and ideas packaged in a download kind of a thing from somewhere else by locating yeah and like why would they want to and his answer to like why anybody would want to, you know, contact all these other places is just because he sees it as this big, uh, universal body, this universal human.

Mm-hmm. They have to talk to each other. And so if you start thinking about it, especially the mercurial ones, it's there, they are what? They're knowledge gatherers, but it seems like they're also knowledge deliverers. Yes. So they're kind of like the nervous system. If you want to think about it like that, you know, like they're the the knowledge transfer between different. areas because they're constantly bouncing around the whole cosmos gathering and delivering information.

So yeah. So yeah, then he gets to Jupiter. And the Jupiter experience were way quieter and they didn't come like ramming and thumping and flipping through his memory or anything. He just said they're kind of quieter and they seemed a little more interested in getting a feel for who someone is instead of just gathering another piece of information. Okay. And he says, well, God allows me to experience something different this time too instead of just talking. with the spirits, his, you know, his spiritual awareness, as he calls, is kind of carried along with them until it feels like he's actually standing among the people of Jupiter.

Oh. And he says, so, yeah, so he's actually kind of, like, biolocating. Yeah. Yeah. And this is also what we talk about in alien abduction things. Maybe that's what they're doing. They're snatching that part of you that can animate over there and leaving your physical vessel. Right.

He actually says that. He makes a point of saying that his physical body never leaves Earth. See. And he says it's also not space. travel. He says more like his spirit is brought into contact with another spiritual community. Yes. Yes. You're just there. Yeah. Which is again what he describes heaven has. Right. It's like you're turning into a nerve ending on that. And I love the way that he, and that he calls him Mercury is even more interesting as well because the God Mercury flew

around with those little wings on his feet. And he was the messenger of the gods. That was his deal, man. Yeah. Mercury is always known as like the messenger type. Yeah. But then he notices is like, so he's, he's among the people of the community of Jupiter, whether that's, you know, a rock floating way the fuck out there or that's not how he's seeing it really, though. It's almost like the things you see in the sky are like the markers of that, of that place. Yeah. Rather than the physical place itself. Yeah.

So it's like you align your vibration, like to get to a Jupiter place. And that's what that is. Yeah, you don't hop in a rocket. That's silly. you don't travel there. Swedenborg with New Age is shit. It really is. But man,

it's before all the filtery bullshit of it, it feels like. It's before all the ayahuasca and before all the folks trying to make a living off of this. I mean, it really is pure in an interesting way. Really interesting. Yeah. And as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, listeners, but I think this is the, he was kind of the first of his kind in talking about this shit. I would think so.

I mean, besides, you. know, if you go back thousands of years, the mystics and all that, and probably describing kind of the same thing, but in different ways. Well, if history is what it is at all, if it's not last Thursday. Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. And again, this book is kind of, it's not brutal. It's actually decently easy to read.

It's just so out there that you got to really, like, put your reading glasses on. And it was also, you know, translated from Latin, which it says in the beginning of the book, it was translated from the original Latin. You wrote this shit in Latin. Damn. So take that for what you want. I mean, we know how good translations are between languages. Right, right.

But, I mean, a lot of it, you know, it's interesting anyway. So, yeah, you notice the landscape of these Jupitarians. He said there's not these, like, huge cities or, I don't know, like commercial buildings or anything. He said there's just homes scattered across this wide open country. So families live with plenty of space between them. There's fields and trees. It kind of sounds like the shire, actually. And I like I like it.

Yeah. Nothing like the pictures we see of Jupiter at all. Did they talk about their physical bodies? They look like humans, he said, huh? He always says that he's 100% sure they are human. They're just a breakaway civilization from our perspective, perhaps. Just humans in a different dimension. Humanoid would be a good way to phrase it too, because, I mean, we're talking bipedal,

two arms, two legs, a head, torso, that kind of thing. I mean, think the non-examines, think the Nordics, you know, they're, they look exactly like humans. They're just a little taller and blonder. Right, right. Whatever. And point of years, perhaps. But he's like, hey, why don't you guys, you know, build larger towns?

And they're like, because we like having room. Yeah. They're like, living too close together just makes this unnecessary conflict. So we just decide to spread out instead. I'm like, man, I love these people. I want to go to Jupiter. Jupiter is a beneficent planet in astrology. It's great.

Yeah. When Jupiter comes about it, amplifies. and exemplifies everything in that and whatever you got going on there. So very cool. Yeah. I have a lot more room over there. Isn't Jupiter supposedly like 50 times the size of the Earth or whatever? Yeah, that's what they say.

Yeah. If we're going from that skill size science perspective, yeah. Yeah. So they got a lot more room. So they all just spread out and they're just living in the shy earth with penny whistles. Did they acknowledge that at all, the different sizes of any of the realms? Like, oh, wow, you have so much more room here than us. Or, wow, I feel really cramped here.

When we're on your place, that's why we brought you to hours. Our home is so much cooler. Like you go to Jupiter's house. You don't bring them to yours. Not that I remember. He isn't really talk about the size, the physical size, because again, it's a heavenly realm. So it's basically like a simulation where it can be as big or small as you want. And technically we don't know how big this bitch is.

So it could all be just the same size just utilized differently. Yeah. I mean, think about the different. So what? There's seven. all the different dimensions people talk about and people debate how many there are or whatever. But if they really are just the markers of these different dimensions, so we have all,

we have Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Mercury, all of them are just right here. Yeah. They're right here. They're just in a different dimensional frequency.

So, and that's kind of what I was saying earlier too, but that, I don't know, I like that idea a lot, but he's also kind of saying, no, it is way out there,

but you can also just go there instantly. because it's the grand universal human. Right. It's so crazy. That is so interesting. And to think that any part of your body could choose to go to any other part of your body. Yeah. And do that as well.

Like if you've got a cell in your liver that's sitting there going, huh, you know, I got contacted by these heart beings one time. They were pretty cool. I'd kind of like go check that out. And they just like zip over there for a little bit and see what that's all about. Like is it motivating for them to kind of make changes in their lives or something, you know? Yeah. Interesting. So he does talk about what the different beings look like, but most of them are pretty much, they just sound like humans with slightly different features.

Like he says the Jupiter people are a little bit taller and they have broader faces. And he said they have this kind of like this friendly openness about them. And they're also especially beautiful. Okay. Smoke shows, got it. But not in the physical way. Oh. He said what makes them like beautiful is that they're just completely genuine and they're not trying to put a mask on or anything or, you know, impress anybody.

Which makes sense because if they are in this other heavenly realm that he was talking about in the first book, then it would make sense that they have dropped that mask. And so they're just, and that's the place they feel comfortable in, in this place where they're, that's like they're heaven. They're in these open rolling hills, spread out communities, you know, and that's their heaven. but it's totally real to them the way that it is for us here. Sounds nice. But he does talk about a lot of them too that I can't remember which planet it was, but they, some of them are just kind of not really dickheads.

They're just kind of cold. They're just kind of like, why would I care about, like, you know, I have no interest in you. Like they're talking to an ant or something? Yeah, kind of. I mean, Mercury kind of comes off as that too. Yeah. So this whole, you know, genuineness or whatever.

He said as he's watching the families interact with each other, he says the children aren't raised to compete with another one or, you know, chase status or anything or what do they call it now the kids, aura farming. Yeah. He said most of what they learn comes from just watching their parents. And the whole society itself seems built around like protecting that sense of innocence for as long as possible. And these Jupiter spirits, they tell them too, they're like, we don't spend a whole lot. of time like worrying about wealth or anything. He's like if you already have what you need, why would you spend your whole life trying to get more of it?

So there are a very simple, simple people. And I love it. Yeah, it sounds nice. He said they also treat marriage a bit differently. He said they, they tell them that a husband and wife aren't just partners sharing a house.

They're meant to become one life together. Because of that, marriage isn't something that people just enter into casually. It says it's one of the most sacred things they have. they believe that that bond continues after death. And it's so weird to hear him talk like that because he continues after death. So he's talking to them like they're still alive. That's what makes me think it's this dimensional thing and not like after life spirits.

But when we die, we will stay together because we've chosen to. That's how it works for us. You're alive now. We're alive now. And when we die, well, this, when you die, you'll something else. Interesting. But he's talking to people like they're alive right now, not like they're in the heavenly plane. Right.

So. Like they're neighbors. like in another country or something. Yeah, and they just have these weirdly similar human type communities like that. They just have, it's almost like just traveling to a different country and seeing how that culture lives. And you're like, oh, that's weird. It's kind of similar, but you guys poop on the street. That's crazy.

You drive over it on this side of the road. That's weird. Yeah. Okay. Poop on the street. And Swedenborg had actually written about that idea before, that marriage thing after death, all that. but when he was hearing them talk about it, it was like, oh, wow, okay, so it's, I need to, like,

they're reinforcing that for me, basically. And there was one custom that really caught his attention. It's that when strangers meet, they don't, they don't just start talking to each other. They spend a couple minutes, like, studying each other's faces. And he's like, well, that's kind of weird. So he asks about it. And the Jupiter spirits are like, oh, well, a person's face tells you a lot about, you know, what's going on inside them, whether they're honest or kind or if they have any resentment or

jealousy. He said they believe those things naturally show themselves if you're paying attention to their face. So way before they even engage in conversation with someone, they just stare at each other for a bit. And he's like, uh-huh, all right? You do that in New York City. You're going to probably get punched. You can tell them. That's what we do. We hop on and Joe and I stare into each other's eyes for a good five minutes and don't say anything. And then we get started. Yeah, every time. I get as close to the camera as possible. That's clue. Lean in. It makes me, it reminds me David R. Carr's work with the facial recognition of cell salt deficiencies that you can tell a lot by looking at someone's face what they're going to be like.

If they've got a cell salt deficiency in Cali Foster, something you can tell by that, you're like, ooh, they're probably a little mentally on edge. So maybe I tiptoe a little bit with them. And maybe this earth place, if you can recognize physical markers like that, it's kind of like what they're doing. But maybe it's something we can all do. I don't know how you do it and not be weird. I say be weird. Fuck it. Just meet people and just stare at them and just be like, what are you doing? I can tell a lot by your face, actually. So I'm just going to stare at it for a little bit. And if they bounce, good, probably not a good conversation anyway. You look, I'm cutting out a lot of the small talk, you know, the bullshit. Like we're covering the EMU weather report and all that in

this, actually, so that we can just get to the shit. Well, isn't that, isn't there a word for that, too? and they used to talk about head shapes and whether you'd be a criminal or not. What was that in practice called? Yes, I'm on it. Hang on. What was that? I know what you're talking about.

I remember Ben and Aaron actually talking about that. It's, oh, the size of your cranium has to do with whether you'll be a criminal or something like that. There's a word for it. That's typecast. Scientific consensus firmly rejects the idea that skull shape determines criminal behavior based on this thing that I quickly looked up here. The belief that head shape or facial features dictate criminal. Stems from 18th and 19th century movements that have long been debunked. So there's pharynthology, which is popularized by, popularized by physicians like Franz Joseph Gull.

And this theory posited that specific mental faculties were located in different brain areas and that the skull's shape would contour to match these traits. Hmm. I thought there's a specific word for it. there's Caesar Lombroso, a 19th century criminologist. These are just names of folks who figured it out. Implicit bias research indicates that individuals with facial features perceived as untrustworthy face harsher legal outcomes. So they did this out of fairness.

So it's not a thing anymore, Joe. You can't tell someone's intentions by looking at their face. We have determined that that is not a thing for you so you can just not do it. Maybe there's something to it. I totally vibe with Jupiter people because I'm like, no, I get that too. It's not so much that I study people's facial features, but you can get a vibe for people. Oh, yeah. And it's a combination of how they move, their body language, definitely, you know, facial expressions and all that stuff.

But I totally get it. Like, I can come across people that I'm like, I have no interest in talking to you. Yes. I can just tell right now. And that might be a snap judgment and maybe I'm totally wrong. But you can usually get a pretty good feeling. Yep. Yep.

I completely agree. It's a vibe thing and you can totally tell. Also, Cesar Lombroso was the one who coined the term born criminal or Rio Nato. Is that it? Rio Nato? Okay. Primitive A, like, skull feature. So if you looked weird to this, dude, he's labeled you a criminal.

Put you on an island. Told you to enjoy the kangaroos. Yeah. So, yeah, along these lines, though, he asked if the people in Jupiter ever lie then. And they're like, oh, it does happen, but not very often. And it's not that we can't lie. it's just because it's so difficult to hide it. Like if your whole,

the whole community you grew up with has learned how to pay attention to character instead of, you know, appearances, as we would, you know, call it. He's like, deception doesn't get very far. It's like, so yeah, you can basically hear you can try to lie, but everyone's going to know you're full of shit, so there's really no point.

Nice. So. Love it. And he said there, the people in Jupiter are never actually alone either. He said, according to these. spirits. These different groups of entities stay close to them throughout their whole lives. Some are like teachers and others have a less pleasant job. He calls them punitive spirits.

It sounds kind of worse than it is, but it's not like these demons like running around, like hitting people with sticks like Crampus. He said it's just more of like this corrective role. And so one of the spirits is like, okay, so this is what the correction is like. And all of a sudden, Swedenborg says he gets this sharp pain in his joints. And then it feels like something is tightening around his waist and it's kind of hard to breathe. And the spirit's like, oh, that's how people in Jupiter are corrected when they knowingly choose to do wrong. If someone goes down that road, the warning becomes a little bit more serious.

He said they're told they could lose the joy of being with the people they love. And that's the consequence to doing wrong that is like the most frightening thing for Jupiter people. impact. They don't care about the joint pain or the inability to breathe very well. It's, they're not even, you know, afraid of death or anything.

It's the thought of becoming separated from their family and community that that is like the worst possible thing they could think of. So their, their corrective actions don't usually go very far because they don't need to. Because everybody's on the same wavelength there as far as, oh, no, I can't exist without my family.

So, nope, I won't, won't be doing any more of that. self-policing. It's like, wow, if that was only so easy to do, you know. Well, I think that we do this too, by the way. I think that if you really get sober and you get off of all the stuff and stop drinking,

you do feel like this when you're not in alignment with what you're meant to be doing here. And I think all of the things that SSRIs, the alcohols, all that, it's going to numb that feeling in us. And that's the real big difference here is we have a choice to numb it. They don't look like they do. And that corrective measure is available in you right now. if you kind of get sober enough to hear it. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, yeah, it doesn't seem like they have shire weed or anything. No, no, nothing like that. Yeah. Yeah, so there's a bunch more on Jupiter, too, but he goes up to Mars next, or they come to him, whatever. Does it talk about UFOs or craft or anything like that, how they move about anything? No, this is all, well, because again, he was very adamant that his physical body never left. He was just kind of, like we said about the, I think it was the way he described how angels move, like plasma, where it's like they're here one second.

They think about being on Jupiter and now they're at Jupiter, which makes more sense than, oh, we got to take a rocket and, you know, spend months to try to get to Mars. Unless the folks that you're picking up have all been trained that that's the way that space works. And then you use that to do whatever you want. I was curious because, again, before his time, all that, if he noticed any airships flying above in the sky when he was at, astrally on Jupiter. Yes, he saw the homes and stuff, but how did all the people move about if they wanted to go from one side of Jupiter to the other? They were all on physical bodies. So how did they move about? Do they have animals or like little dragons they flew on? I was just curious if you mentioned anything like that. It is funny. No, so I don't remember seeing anything about any like advanced

technology, which is what makes me think that these other dimensions or civilizations are kind of on the same timeline as us. Yes, and they move at the same pace as we do technologically. Okay, I was thinking of this too and you were saying it please go ahead that's exactly what i was thinking about that's just what it made me think of i'm like because i thought about that too i'm like i wonder why there's no like mention of uh you know crazy technology because that would be real prophetic if he was like oh they had these things with four wheels that made a weird sound and they got they went really fast right that'd be great but yeah it does seem like everybody's on the same uh chronological timeline as far as technology goes because everything for the most part everywhere he

went, they seemed like they were about at the same level. And it's like they're all learning together. And it's like, oh, okay. So you're saying the cells in this great universal human are kind of growing at the same rate and advancing at the same rate. That's what it feels like. And then maybe the heart invents anti-gravity technology. The stomach hadn't caught up to it yet, but the heart visits the stomach with its technology because now it can go to other parts of the body. And this would be a cool thing for the God King to do is to be able to send cells from its body from one part to another, to be able to communicate, to sort of get a feeling for the heart cells of what it's doing to the liver and what the liver needs to do to make sure that the heart's supported

and the brain and vice versa. Like you could go to all the different extremities, but like you said, it's at a technological advancement for what we all have. And this is where the AI could be coming in at, AI artificial intelligence, alien intelligence. It could be one of these other zones or realms that's figured out how to tap in digitally to this one. And then you have all sorts of interaction. and like now you've got social media between the realms, not just between the occupants of the realm, and they're all sort of influencing one another. And again,

you'd kind of want that in a human body. Yeah. Harmony. Yeah, pretty much. Wow. And yeah, it's, I can't believe how much this ties in with your mundane and the magnificent and all that stuff.

It's so stupid. It starts just getting this big picture in my head that I'm like, I love it. Thank you, Bailey, dude. All thanks to Bailey. Yeah. I've been nuts on scale. she just put the thing in our hands that could make it showable,

like that I could bring something to you and go here. Here's all the crazy shit of it thinking about, but in one sort of thing. And now, yeah, it scales, pun intended and applies to so many different things. But man, how fascinating that, of course, he'd be in carton buggy. So they would be in a Shire type carton buggy. Now I wonder what Jupiter looks like with all the advanced technologies if they've chosen to kind of keep a simpler way or if they also went the AI route.

Yeah, I wish Swedenborg was still here. So we could go there and be like, are they stacking each other on top of each other like New York City or is it still spread out? Yeah, you may have visited it a really nice time in life and gotten that snapshot of their civilization. But how did that continue? Because we have a 250 rule on empires around this bitch. That's wild. So yeah, the people of Mars, though, he says, are quite different than Mercury or Jupiter. So Mercury has this like curious nature.

They're kind of driven by this curiosity to know things. and Jupiter he sees as kind of this innocence. And what would you think Mars would be like the people of Mars? Dickheads. Right, because war, right? Right. I think war, I think dickheads, I think conniving, a little skittery little bug kind of things. I think that's probably more of the gray energy is that disgusting little Cosby sneak around kind of shit.

Yeah. So he says that the people of Mars. seem to be driven by one thing above everything else and that is looking out for each other. What? They've got a community. Oh, so that makes sense then because the realm inverted the idea in my mind. That makes sense. He says they're like crazy gentle but not in like a timid way.

He said it's more like they've gotten into a habit of putting the good of the community ahead of themselves. So I could still see where like if somebody came in and tried to fuck that up. Okay. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. So it's not like inherently evil because it's. it represents war in most mythologies.

It's more like they're looking out for themselves. They're nationalists, basically. I don't see anything wrong with the do no harm, but take no shit policy. That's actually my personal policy. So I don't see anything wrong with that whatsoever. Yeah. Right. So he said he watched, I don't know how, I mean, Sweden war, who knows,

but he says he watched some ordinary spirits from Earth kind of wander into the same spiritual region occupied by the Martians and it did not go well. No. He said the Earth spirits became. restless, like almost right away, they started getting argumentative and uncomfortable, almost like they couldn't settle down. And he said the Martian spirits weren't doing anything to them. The atmosphere itself was just so different that the Earth spirits couldn't relax in it.

Yes. But he said, on the other hand, the Martians stayed calm the whole time. And eventually, Angelic spirits stepped in and ended the encounter before it could get any worse. So it was basically it was yown damn fault. The Martians are fine. And this is when he went. To Mars, he saw other spirits there walking around as well, again, disembodied.

But they were walking amongst physical Mars people, and he was also a spirit there from Earth that saw other spirits from Earth have a real bad time on Mars spiritually. Right. So can the Mars people come here astraly and be okay on Earth, or is it the same type of thing? Is our realm what we're tuned to our frequency here, kind of uncomfortable for that? I don't know, because, again, that makes it hard to figure out if it's definitely not physical. from what I can tell, what he's describing, it's definitely not this physical thing, but it appears physical when you're in that state. And he says that a lot, actually, about how it's just a different state of life.

So it's not the physical realm we know, but when you're in that state, it's physical, but not in the same way. There's no way of wrapping your mortal head around this, I don't think. It sounds like you're just tapping into the system's sensory output. of that system. So you're able to feel to the best of your body's ability. It'll sort of plug the things in where they would have felt that in you and then simulate that in you.

But, dude, astrologically, if Mars goes by, there's some weird shit that happens on Tom's calendar on Mars days. It's a very real thing, the energy of the realms playing in conjunction with our own. Again, astrology is built on this. Hey, guys, don't do a certain thing between this time because Mercury's out screwing around, right? Mercury retrograde. We all know that one. Yeah.

it does have an impact. And it makes me feel like we're just in a one petri dish that other petri dishes next to us have figured out how to kind of get in and out of. And the one closest to the sun has the most active material because it's got all the messaging coming from the light source itself. So it's going to be right there. And then the trickle-down effect from that. But it does feel like a huge body at that point where folks are just sort of in and out

of each other's yards. And then maybe Mars is sort of the glandular system and it gets pissed off because it doesn't want anything in there. It's got a strict job. And so you've got to stay out to keep this sort of area pure and only running of that. And that sounds more like eugenics when you get to that. Yeah. I don't know. And it's, it's if you think about it like we were talking about how if you're, like an electron in an in an atom in a toenail, thinking about how far away, actually not even an electron, if you're an entity that lives on an electron. There you go. If you're thinking about, it in the solar system model, you know, it in a toenail, thinking about how many light years away the heart would be unfathomable and there's no way a cell is going to live long enough to travel all the way up there even if they could find a way to do it.

Right. So it's, yeah, so it's more of this like quantum entanglement thing that that's what it reminds me of when he's traveling to these places where it's like a toenail cell wants to know what it's like to live in a heart cell. And maybe when that cell dies, it gets recycled and eventually goes to the heart. known, gets recirculated through the body or gets excreted through the sweat or whatever, but it's still, anyway, yeah, this is great shower thoughts we're having here. But I think Swedenborg was the king of shower thoughts, because this is, this is a thing he was on. He definitely was. And if you think about this, your cells, what is it, seven days on a cell, your cells die, and then new cells are born all the time. So if that's occurring, maybe your cell, just like us and why Earth is so

populated. We can't, it's a limited imagination based on us as well. We couldn't imagine being another creature somewhere else. We have some sci-fi examples, but nothing really that we would go, oh, I'm comfortable enough to do that and to incarnate as that yet. But if you're a cell, you do know from a toe cell, toenail cell perspective, that there is a heart within this body, as we know that there is another part of this body to enjoy at some level. Maybe the question is, is then now every seven days, you're getting little spirits that choose to come back. and reincarnate into you as something else because they don't know where else to go. Again, it's a limited imagination.

You're home. You're their God. You're their body. My cell could choose to go over to your cell maybe. And maybe there's a scientific way to manipulate all that. But really, our cells also independently choose their reincarnation as well. Yeah. This is so interesting, too.

It's fucking crazy. And what was the other? I was going to, before we close out here, there's a bunch more, too. I mean, he goes through Saturn and all that stuff. but he also goes into extra solar planets. Dude, yeah, yeah. And that's basically like an extra solar planet, if we're thinking about it, like the universal human here,

would be a toenail cell talking about the heart cell. Like it's so far out of its range in purview that it's like, I might as well not even think about going there until the afterlife, basically, when my cell dies. It's the equivalent of you attempting to assemble yourself upside down, because yes, we're all working with the same basically, chemicals here, the basic mineral components to build out of, but your function is based on where you are in your environment. So like you said, you're just an entity on an electron, not the electron itself. Like, you're just a thing that makes the electron power that works it.

So we've talked about lusch that maybe you just kind of create and walk around and you consume so that you charge up the electron that is now then also orbiting around this one little cell in a tonal that's about to fall off or something. You have such an interesting perspective. with this because how would that thing even know what its job was from the electron's perspective? Electron's got a much bigger scope of everything, but the entity powering the electron has no fucking clue that it's even powering it most of the time, probably. Yeah. Fascinating, man. You do as much Swedenborg as you want. I'm telling you. This is, this is like the shit. So, Quinn, if you're listening, send me the next one. Thank you.

Quinn, keep him coming, all right? And I am, like I said, guys, going to go ahead and link this Swedenborg.com. That's it. Swedenborg.com. It is going to be the direct link for this PDF, but it looks like he's got a bunch of shit over there. So, yeah, I don't mind being the official Swedenborg stopoff place for everybody. This is awesome. Just truly cool. No, before, yeah, before we get out here and on to the extension, the other thing that caught my eye, and there's a lot, obviously, but I just kind of chose some of my favorite

little quirky tidbits from this. Oh, yeah. One of them I, because Swedenborg is a Christian, so I thought, oh, what has he got to say about, like, Jesus? And we kind of brought that up earlier with the Mercurians. where it's like, oh yeah, God actually became a human one time and came down here. And I can't remember which planet he was talking to, but basically he was saying the reason that Jesus had to come to earth of all places that he could go to. And incarnate as a man here was so that the scripture could be written because he basically says no other planet or system out there has writing.

From what I remember. He said they don't nobody else has like books. Everybody just knows things in their head. And I think it was the Mercurian thought it was absolutely ridiculous to even write anything down. They thought it was backwards because they're like, well, no, knowledge lives on like in us. Like why would you have to write it down? And it was so foreign to them because he's like, no, we have to write it down so that future generations can, you know, know it. And it just reminded me of a, it was almost like a metaphor for, I don't know,

DNA code, you know, having to be written. So we're like, yeah. The earth is kind of a, maybe we're a DNA or RNA cell or something. And we're, we're responsible for continuing this, this sequence. So we have to write it down, you know, like. And then, I mean, that goes into computer code and then circles back to simulation. I mean, I thought that was a really weird little bit of the book where he's like, the reason Jesus had to incarnate here was so the scriptures could be written because then it,

Oh, that was the other thing, is because he said, if it was written on Earth, then it can be distributed throughout the rest of the planets. There's a Bible verse about this. What you hold true on Earth, I will hold true in heaven. Hang on, I can do this. But it just sounds like distributing code. Yes. It had to be written here so that it could be distributed throughout the whole cosmos or the body, you know. And, okay, Matthew 16, 19.

in these verses Jesus tells his followers, truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. And whatever you loose on earth will be loosened in heaven. This is the as above so below. It had to be written here and therefore translated elsewhere. Well, that sucks. You got a bunch of human authors saying that this is how it should be written. And then what's, man, I don't know.

Now I've got an issue with this idea. Because Jesus, we don't feel as the good guy. And there's a lot of evidence to support that. There's also a lot of evidence to support that the whole Jesus figure. was created. So maybe what he was speaking with was the closest thing it could relate to him to would be Jesus perhaps. Well, so the interesting thing is that he said that it has been that and it would be via the mercurial spirits. It would be via them because they came here, found out that we had writing apparently, and then they would carry that with them through the rest of the

cosmos when they go around. It's like spreading. So his idea. it was that the scripture had been distributed throughout everywhere by now because it was written here on Earth First. So it's just, I was thinking of it totally more metaphorically, not Jesus or anything. It was more like I was looking at it like, oh, so the neurons figured out this DNA code or whatever and then dispersed it through the rest of the body. And maybe that's how all the cells keep reproducing is because they had this, you know, yeah, it's again, it's out there. That's why you're saying. Because the information is there and it's created and decided here, which would also be a good reason for the extremes, the duality, the options, if you want to say it that way, because there's so many, you know, because what is this? It's just potential and physicality.

But, yeah, to have somebody then distributing work that we create here without context is what would be challenging for me to understand. If they know that it's written as a guide for people to get closer rather than literal, which again, I think these higher state beings, would hopefully understand. Well, that's what I mean is that he was saying that Jesus had to incarnate here so that the Bible could be spread throughout the whole cosmos, right? But apparently writing in that style of preserving information is unique to Earth. So it doesn't mean just the Bible then. It'd be everything that was ever written here would also be distributed throughout the

cosmos because of these Mercury spirits, these neurons. So it would also consist of the Ethiopian Bible, the Gnostic Bibles, all the things that were pulled out. Just a complete word of anything. Yeah. How wild. Yeah. Just something fun to chew on, you know, this weekend while y'all are having a barbecue or whatever. But yeah.

Thanks again, Quinn. That was quite a read. Remind us again what you have coming up in place. Yeah. I'm just still on the thing. Okay. Lancashires, Ghosts and Legends. This is Terence W. Whitaker.

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