Mysterious Universe - 36.03 - MU Podcast - Visitors From Within - Extraterrestrial Encounters and Species Evolution - part 01

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

Welcome to Mysterious Universe Season 36 episode 03! Today, we take a deep breath and entertain that which we have many a time maligned with a look at the work of Lyssa Royal and Keith Priest with their book, Visitors From Within. Though we are skeptical, that skepticism is harmonized with a keen awareness of the variety of freaky woo woo found around us, and the stone-cold fact that all sides of a story doth make’th a story, not just the one we emotionally prefer. In our Plus+ extension, we continue the wild stories from Jerome Clark’s 2000 book Extraordinary Encounters. From the bizarre case of a UFO-less Gray encounter at a motel, to mince pie stealing entities, and finally a well-known case of nude Venusians evading the camera, we wrangle the weirdest of tales for our elite Plus+ members! Visitors From Within by Lyssa Royal & Keith PriestPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE. Extraordinary Encounters: An Encyclopedia of Extraterrestrials and Otherworldy Beings LinksLinks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today, we're just going to take a deep breath, okay? Let's all just collectively let's take a deep breath. And we're just going to entertain that which we have many a time maligned. But for good reason, we have maligned this. Though we are skeptical, that skepticism is harmonized with a keen awareness of the variety of the freaky woo-woo found around us. And the stone-cold fact that all sides of a story doth makeeth a story. not just the one that we emotionally prefer.

I am your Here for New Perspectives host, Brandon Thomas, and with me as always is the always likable Abraham Lincoln lookalike. Jodem pole Hodgden. Abraham Lincoln lookalike, really? Honestly, you look nothing like it. I think it was something you posted the other day. And phonetically, just say that out like. I know you ran through it with disdain,

but give it a go as if it doesn't apply to you because it really doesn't. Abraham Lincoln look alike. That's just funny. say. Yeah. No, it was that, I think it was that meme that said, I've never seen anybody who looks even close to that. Yes. I'm like, wow, me either. So it was a close shot. It was personal. And there you are you. So anyway, Jodem pole. How are you, bud? Good. So we were talking before the show and this is going to be a saga again, you say. Oh my God, dude. This is nuts. It's nuts. It's

nuts. And that's the only way I'm going to put it. So this is Lisa Royal, Keith Priest. They've written a few books. Their first one was this thing about Lyra. We're going to talk about that too. But the book that I found, and this was a little bit ago, but the book that I found, man, incredible. And it really does paint an interesting story that we've got to tell. We're not doing our job, Joe, if we do not do this. But to do it right, it's channeled material, man, and it's deep. And just today, actually, we're going to get to probably the philosophy, some of the characters involved, the author for sure, because one of the author's Lisa here, she channels several different entities and we're going to get to know them because they're all different. The way they come in is different. I took for granted channeling.

And honestly, this offered some humbling perspectives that I feel that we're all going to really find refreshing is what I will say. Now, there's plenty to give shit. Okay, there's plenty of shit to be given in this thing and we will give it where it is meant to be. Of course. There's also some very interesting perspectives. I think that we're really going to appreciate this, too. Hey, you can't throw the baby out with the channeled bathwater. you know there's some i mean even uh the bible's basically channeled right sure you ask anybody and that's not going to be the answer it's that the holy spirit came through them but that's kind of the definition of channeling so yeah you uh you can still look at it and uh you know pick the good

from the bad but i can't wait to hear it sounds weird it is it's definitely weird and that's the whole point it's great show i will say this but it's definitely a saga so sign up in the links below because you're definitely gonna want to hear this because it's going to to Tuesdays plus show and beyond. At least the next extension there because, again, it is deep. This goes into alternate perspectives about their sexuality, why they are the way that they are. It gets into the height, why their eyes are the way that they are,

their disposition, their color. Like, this basically explains it all. All the things that we find icky and don't care about, but that are widely reported, it explains it. It wraps it up in a little bow and says, they're like this because. And it's honestly fascinating. It really is.

And so you found this book. When was it written? Because I don't think, I don't remember ever hearing that title before. When the two greatest animations that have ever come out came out, 92. So you've got X-Men and then you've got Batman the animated series, of course, BAS. 1992. So just a beautiful year where all kinds of interesting things happened. It's in that Wu family.

I'm not going to say it's not because it is. But they do their best to take an unbiased. They remove their spirituality from it. and I'm doing my best to remove my judgment from it so we can all be in the middle. And that's kind of what this is. It's a basic bare bones. Here's what the message was. If you believe it, cool, if not, whatever.

And that's awesome. We can appreciate that. That's how I like things being presented. That's how we present, really. And this is the thing. I knew that you and I would appreciate this because, yes, we throw shade where shade is thrown, and perhaps we've gathered many of those stories. This is not that.

And so this is a completely different perspective that we're going to offer everybody and ourselves because that's the whole point of this, man. Let's hear it all, right? And I knew you'd appreciate it. But before we get into that, because everybody's signing up in the links to hear this saga anyway, what have you got coming up in the extension, man? We're going to be continuing from Tuesday's show with the extraordinary encounters by Jerome Clark. And like I said, on the last show, it's just an A to Z encyclopedia of weirdness.

It was actually, I was so excited when I found that book because I'm like, oh, this is perfect. I have so many shows in here. but it's a lot of the stories like most the vast majority of them are very short I'm talking a couple sentences yeah the blowthroughs yeah and a lot of it's also stuff we've either already covered or something that would just be kind of beaten a dead horse but I didn't just find a few cool new ones that I hadn't heard before I mean last time we talked about Jeff the talking mongoose right and vegetable man so vegetable man now this this time we got the mince pie aliens the aliens trying to check into a hotel and it's just weird one-off stories that people document. And it's kind of like what you said, where it's like, this is what this lady said, do with it what you will. Right. Yeah.

It's folks' experience, man. And what else can we say about that? That's it. Yeah. We can filter them through our lens of reality, and that's basically it. I know science hates anecdotes or anecdotal evidence or whatever. I love it. Love it.

It's some of the most entertaining to me. Well, because experience is what it's all about. If we're to believe anything that Swedenborg's been talking about, any of the work that we're looking at here, it's all about, it's not about the place, it's not about the building, it's not about the cathedral or the forest, it's about the experience had in it.

And you know this, when you walk into a forest, something changes, man, there's just an air about the place. It's a physical locale. The ionized air. Yeah, it's just the experience of it. And that's what enriches everything. And that's perhaps what produces the ultimate out product, which is, again, just your experience of this.

And that could be enough, man, you know? And, and, but it's cool to see, the variety of experiences, which is what you and I enjoy talking about. Oh, yeah. Cool. Looking forward to it, dude. Yeah, let's get into what the hell you're talking about. Yes.

So this thing is visitors from within. And this is a book that I found a few thrift book runs ago. And it's just awesome. It comes about via synchronicity. Of course, I was in the studio the other day just like staring at this incredible library. And I'm looking around and I'm just going, holy shit. And this is the old adage, right? You know, what's the best thing?

about this, Joe, is that we can do anything we want. What's the worst thing about this? Yeah, we could do any fucking thing we want. So it came down to choice. And, man, I found this whole Lyle Watson thing that I'll tell you about later. It's a whole synchronicity. I, again, bought a book. I think on the same run as I did this one just because it looked fucking weird.

And I was like, oh, this is neat. Ended up going down this whole Lyle Watson rabbit hole. Have you ever even heard of that name? I don't believe so. I've got four books staring at me right now because of synchronicities that I'll tell you about, probably in the extension. We'll get into that. But it's just interesting. But for this work here and for all of you,

this one is just, it's got fascinatingly fun perspectives that I actually really found interesting. It's kind of like getting to know that the mean-owned bully in school that you hated and that was so damn mean to you, well, you don't know this. So, Joe, in school, there's these things called bullies, okay? And oftentimes they will be physically larger than another child and they'll feel that they can take out. Right.

O'Doyle Rules. Yeah. You'll do, okay, so you're at least familiar with the pop culture reference. I know the concept. Right. But oftentimes, Joe, what you'll find out is it hurt people, hurt people. And that that's kind of what this is. It's that they were either adjusting to death or abuse or a recently broken home and just doing their best to, you know, keep it together in a realm that he's struggling to understand.

So this one is all about empathy with ribbing. We will be ribbing, I promise. But I cannot and will not deny that there's some silly-ass things in here, of course. but some of which do push into the regions that we've already been looking into. That being said, this overall, it is quite fucking fun, dude. It really is. It's a breadth of fresh air perspective on some of the murkiest waters that we've come across in the phenomena. And it's coming to us from a trans-channeling chick named Lisa with a Y, Royal, also with a Y.

Of course. With noted notation expert and query facilitator Keith Priest. So this is a co-written job. Now, not one Y in his damn name at all. But what the hell? This is their second collaboration, though, this visitors from within. They had another one, this prism of Lyra. We're going to talk about it in a minute.

It's already on order. Trust me. But this visitors within, they cover stuff like the history of the Zeta Ritulai, the Zeta Ritulai revelation. So she's channeling all of this stuff and she's getting this. Sexuality and the Zeta Ritulai, something we will be going into on Plus, as well, the abduct, the abduct, um, the abducturator. experience from their perspective fascinating so we're going to set this up i know so we're going to set

the and our permission to it uh is fascinating how they view our participation in it it's fascinating so we're going to go into that and plus again guys sign up you're going to want to this just goes deep they've got um this metahuman connection first contact um denial and transformation all this kind of stuff right resistance and actuality all of this crazy shit okay just in this one little book. Now, the authors, this Lisa Royal, she holds BA in psychology and she's internationally known as a channel, an author, and a lecturer from Scottsdale, Arizona. She's the co-author of several books, dude, including that Prism of Lyra that I talked about, which is an exploration of the galactic heritage. And this was in 1989. Another book, yes, it's on order,

future sex. Hmm. Ninety-one. So we'll see what her, what she thought sex would be like by now. I don't know if her prediction fell into our time. A demolition man type of thing. Yes, I was thinking. That's what I was thinking, right. Do you want to tell the audience for the nerds that don't know? Oh, if you don't know, come on. It's basically VR.

They connect each other, like, mentally and bang it out that way instead of the traditional way, you know. Because they think it's gross. It's gross. It's icky. Yeah. Can you believe you didn't know what the shells were for? Oh, my God. And she wrote another book called the Sedona Vortex Guidebook, also in 91.

And this chick's just cranking these things. out. And then don't forget, visitors from within 92. So Lisa channels and lectures around the world. She's appeared on national and international television and radio. Her bio wanted you to know. Her affinity for this begins in 1979, because Lisa with the Y had a clear UFO sighting witnessed by her family that triggered a profound interest in the extraterrestrial phenomena. And after several more UFO sightings in the 80s, because these things happen in groups, Lisa with the Y began to search for answers concerning Earth's connection

with the extraterrestrial civilizations and this is an interesting point to make on this is that she then just wanted to know what they were all about. You know, it was a lot of this is, it's about me, it's about me. She really had an interest in them and it comes out in the work, man.

And this is why they really get to sort of tell their story. It's not somebody just asking them questions about the universe, it's asking them questions about them and they get to say, man, this is my time to Sean, okay. So is this how they take the consent? It's like tacit consent because she's so interested in them. So they're like, oh, so you must be only be abducted then.

So you can come to our place. We're going to get into it and play. It's not so reductive. I'd like for it to be that reductive. It's actually a little bit of tacit, but a little bit, it's a lot more, honestly. So we're, and this is not a teaser for, this is honestly, it's deep. And we do, it's going to be a whole damn thing. So we'll go over it because there's all this history involved and all this kind of shit, too.

So she basically honed her trans-channeling skills and began to receive information that allegedly helped thousands in their quest towards understanding the extraterrestrial enigma. Now this guy Keith Priest, he's an independent researcher and he's an author, again, of the prism of Lyra. That was the first jam that they did together. And he's a sculptor also living in Arizona. We studied music at Michigan State University, majoring in piano technology. and historical tuning systems,

which I thought that's a cool fucking major. I don't think I've been familiar with what the hell that is. I've never heard of anything like that. I can see piano technology like how you would have a piano work, like keys that then have hammers that then bang strings.

Like that can be configured differently. Think of a grand piano and a stand-up and upright. Those are the same instrument, but they're configured differently. That's a technology probably. But if you think about historical tuning systems too, I mean, what the fuck is that? Yeah.

It's interesting, but what a super nerd is all I'm saying. And great. And also, just to point out here that heaps of musicians are into the woo, have you ever noticed that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, especially the hippier types. It's ridiculous. Keith's life philosophy has always been to ask, why? I like him already.

And this, through his research, he has delved into ancient languages, biblical studies, anthropology, archaeology, history, and religions combining those studies with a strong. mythology and psychology, like us, though he has never seen a UFO, much less an extraterrestrial, kind of like us, one of us. His studies have shown him, though, that the E.T. issue not only fits nicely into these areas, but it in fact, it's an integral piece of the puzzle that may connect them all. And again, why I'm bringing this up, it really does sort of go, huh, you're going to get those through this. You really are. Awesome. Okay. Now, their first book, though, this prism of library, which I do have on order, we will go over. It's an introductory book which examines the idea of the creation in a different light. And in contrast to the notion that all humans are the result of creation, it explores the idea that the collective humanoid consciousness or soul created our universe for specific purposes.

Think of like a baby being formed in the womb. They're like, oh, I need to create this so I'll function. So God created you in the same way. And this book goes over that. Again, why I'm getting into it. Perhaps also why it's noticed that human intelligent life seems to progress at a similar rate in the Swedenborg work that we've talked about. Like in planets, when they were all carts and buggies. And that was just due to their maturation age.

That really all of these separated communities were kind of growing together. One could say in all ways, right? So this could, again, be, we could just be in a baby growing, man. you know we could not even be out yet we'd just be in the womb still you're still gestating building this baby gestating in utero as nirvana would say joe station Hodgian hodgden i love it okay well it would though make sense if we were all a part of the same growing entity there which is pretty cool but anyway so the book asks a pretty cool question so what are the what are those purposes and who's involved and stuff like that so we're going to get into those

but these questions and many more addressed resulting in startling possibilities abilities. The thing is also printed in Japanese, which is kind of cool. They decided they racked that. And so they put it in their rancorage. Oh, no. All right, but to kick this thing off, the authors do bring us in with a bit of context. And that's what we're going to offer here. Let's offer just a little bit of context for all of the stuff that we are about to dive into. They begin with that in September of 61, the Betty and Barney Hill, they were driving home in New Hampshire from a trip to Canada there. During this journey, they had an encounter with the unknown.

And after signing a flying saucer, of course, and arriving back home with two hours of missing time, Barney finding scuff marks on top of his shoes, like he'd been dragged, just creepy as shit. Betty, of course, saw rows of strange, shiny circles on the hood of the car. They had physical trace evidence, as well as she had some of St. Germain shots on her dress, too, of memory serves. Oh.

Remember she had some good. on her. After months of psychological stress, they finally saw professional help from a distinguished Boston psychiatrist who conducted many hours of aggressive hypnosis on the couple separately. They did

these separately, which is what you have to do, right? But the accounts were nearly identical, and they both revealed an encounter with small, grayish humanoid beings who questioned them and submitted them to physical examination, as we have heard. And with that, the modern

American at least era of the UFO abduction phenomena began. Because remember this was 61, Villisbois in 57. But that was in Brazil, so they don't really talk about it. I know that that's regarded as one of the first, or is it the first, like, documented case? In America, they say, but also you and I have delve into quite a few things where it depends on what your definition of UFO abduction is. Because there's people who got picked up by stuff, sure. Or even the dirigible type.

craft where they'll lay in asking for water they look very humanoid but it's like a del show kind of machine not that they knew about they'll be taken for a ride and brought back there were stories we read about in the texas accounts where they took him for a ride and they were pissed off and dropped him back off an hour later right so it's like it's at an abduction because they did take that guy technically without his will and we're going to go over the definition of abduction don't worry i pulled a few because it's important that's kind of what i meant like the first documented uh in the context of aliens coming out of UFOs and doing random things to people.

Okay. I'm going to say yes. And that's just because it's the most popular and we have it. Yes, so far is what I'll say. So 61 and it's really touted as being America's first. So people will drop the America's part and say first abduction case, but obviously we have earlier. Anyway, just to be a fucking nerd about this, right? Now, the authors point out that today from all over the world, there are literally thousands

of reports of human beings who have not only seen you have actually had physical contact with these extraterrestrial inhabitants. A lot of stuff we talk about. Some of that contact has been limited to friendly visits from the little grays or the tall ones, while others have told horrifying tales of abduction, scientific experimentation, and sexual invasion. And you could check the catalog for those kids. This work, though, this book here, it explores the abduction phenomena from a very unique point of view. They're not following the path of the strict investigator who deals only with the highly imperialized,

data that they feel often limits the discoveries for new ideas, and that's fair enough as well. Nor are they approaching it from a purely metaphysical point of view. They're attempting to build a bridge between the investigative and intuitive worlds, and this is what I mean about they're sort of meeting us in the middle here, and I really can't appreciate them for this. Hey, that's what we always say. The spiritual and the science need to kind of come together a little bit more, maybe they'll figure more things out.

Do you know there's no such thing as a vegetable? I heard this today. Yeah, you sent me that. It's all C. It's all fruits. And the concept of a vegetable is completely wrong and that there's no such thing. Just sit on that, it's basically all fruits and root tubers. That's right. We're not even going to elaborate on that. Just think about the psychology of why you would separate those out, why something would be called that.

I think the tomato is our gateway with all that, right? Yeah. I mean, everybody knows that growing up. You know, oh, tomato's a fruit. It's like, oh, no, it's not a vegetable. Yeah. Well, it's got seeds, bits and the taste. And that's the thing.

is how blind we were just to read it through and just let it go. And then that video also shows, I'll link it if you, here, I'll remind us to link it. But that video also shows that like five different things come from one plant that are called different things. And that's funny too. It's just interesting, man. All this is. Now, the authors feel that the UFOs and visitors don't originate in our reality. Therefore, they do not conform to the laws of our reality.

And man, think about psychedelics. Anything like that, that world where, again, predictable. entities are there, predictable places. Folks can say that they also share experiences there. Pretty cool. And just recently I've been hearing people are getting kicked out of the DMT realm. Oh yeah. By the little else.

Yeah. Yeah, for screwing around. Like, what are you doing here? You're not supposed to be able to come here? They have a strict policy. You know, it just got too crowded, man. It's like a good hiking spot that just got out and people just started disrespecting. You just got to shut it down.

Maybe it was kind of like aliens or something when people first started popping into the DMT world and it was few and far between. And then because of the recent popularity in that, all of a sudden it's more like, they're trying to invade our space. We're like the aliens to them. Yep. It's like the dive bar,

you know, that you don't want to get popular because you like it's quaintness. And then all these fucking turds show up, these little, what are those people, hifsters. They move into the neighborhood

and they start dushifying the place. Giv. Wookies. You put on these suits and you run them off. But in an attempt to understand them, using only the laws of our reality, the authors say, will always keep them at arm's length from any significant answers. And that's a perfect point.

Limited perspectives limit. I could not agree more, Lisa, with the why. They say, quote, we already know that our encounters with them break the rules of the third dimensional thought, perception, and reality. We must then look beyond what we know to be true. We must stretch the limits of our imagination in order to break through the walls that divide our reality from theirs it is only there in that realm that is as yet undefined where we will find our answers they say and i don't disagree with this i think that you know you and i look into this

kind of stuff that there's so much beyond what we can physically perceive and perhaps there is a lot there and the attempt to keep us so sensitized all the time and to keep us in physical reality all the time that's also another kind of clue to me that there's probably something to it yeah like going back to the walter russell thing where he's like oh we're so over-stimulated and this was in 1947. He had no idea, my dude. There's now two competing paper kits on the corner, and it's just gone amok.

The authors have chosen, at least, for this work not to address in depth, the rumor circulating some of the UFO interest groups concerning government treaties with negative aliens, reptilian invasions, and similar stories. They feel that this evil alien syndrome, quote, is a distraction that often masks the significance of humanity's encounters with the visitors. And yeah, though some folks do need to feel that way about them

and they do encounter them that way, don't they? They just must be misinterpreting the experience, Joe. Oh, okay. But, I mean, isn't that... So they say here that that's the reason that they didn't include the perspectives in the work. But, you know, you just got to cut out all the bad and just focus on what they say in their actions rather than our interpretation of their interaction style.

Ah, so it's perception versus intention. So it's on us to perceive it the way that they intended it, and that way they look good. Yeah, what was that jes on that quote? Oh, why would you judge a whole group of people based solely on the way they all behave? Recently, our company's softball team lost the big game by one run. Then Dale tried to console us with the question. Quote, winning isn't everything. Well, Dale and I are very different.

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and it's got to do with behavior, folks, and that's the whole point here, is that you are misinterpreting the behavior. Now, the material in this work promises to add new dimensions to the previous perceptions of the visitor phenomena. One single source cannot provide all the answers, agreed. But rather, many sources together can tear down the wall

and allow us to see the visitors in a new, understanding light. Quote, it is time for an upgraded expansion, Lisa Withowai feels. So, let us get our expanded vision on. Are you ready here, buddy? Let's go.

Any jabs that you'd like to get out before we get started? Because I can already feel them. You know, I feel them in me anyway. Can you be like, this is fucking gay? You know, they're stuck. Why do you pick them up? The love and light. They're all, space brothers here to help us.

No, they're not all there for that. So, no. And this doesn't even paint them that way, which I really do appreciate. It's literally her biggest job in this is going to be to remove any, just to bring us back to neutral on this shit, just to be able to look at it from a neutral perspective. As if we're hearing there's, okay, got it. We have no memory of any stories because they haven't happened to me.

I'll be honest with you. I've heard other people's accounts. You've heard other people's accounts. We have a conscious memory of feeling that way about them. This is sort of like, okay, when I went to China, my mom was terrified, dude, terrified. She was like, please don't go. Oh my God, it's so scary. You don't know and all this stuff because of how unknown it was to her.

Okay, and to me too. Okay, terrifying, right? But because I went, I got a new perspective. And none of the stories that people said about China is true from my perspective. So I really can say that being offered a new perspective about something does change. And travel is the abolishment to bigotry. So maybe we travel intellectually through this work and see if we can abolish a little bit of, at least shave off a little bit of bigotry with these dickheads if we can.

Is it enough to leave the alien hate club, though? I don't think you should hate anything. I don't think you should be in a hate club of any kind. And that's my contention on that because I think hate is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. Yeah, I really like that. That's very nice. So I don't, I think that's a waste of energy, honestly. So that's what I'll say to that.

But I'd say don't hang up your, this is fake a gay card yet, is what I will say. They begin with one of the most important barriers towards complete understanding is often words and labels themselves. There seems to be no consistent agreement upon the use of labels among those in the U.S. the autophology community. The authors would therefore like to explain the specific labels that they chose to use in reference to the abduction phenomena. Now I'm going to pause it right here because they haven't called it contact once, by the way.

They straight up call it abduction, which by definition is. I've pulled a few different definitions of this. So abduction broadly means taking or drawing someone or something away. Full stop, full period. Okay. And that's the Googled source. If you just Google this thing, though, it definitely depends on the context. It refers to, if you're referring to crime and stuff like that, like law and order, the unlawful taking or detaining of a person by force fraud or persecution, for example, like child abduction or kidnapping or something like that, that's abduction, right? If you are talking about it, though, in medical anatomy, the movement of a limb or body part away from the midline of the midline of the, the body, for example, raising arms to the sides or spreading your fingers apart, okay? That's called an abduction medically. Hmm. And it's having to do with anatomy, which we will come back to, okay? Pulling away from, right? Exactly. We're going to come back. Now, also it pertains to logic.

If you're talking about abduction and logic, a form of reasoning is called abductive reasoning, which that works backward to find the most plausible explanation for a set of observation. So we do this all the time. We look at something and we start working back like, well, what the fuck was this? And why did they do that? What smell like that? Which we will also come back to. So, but depending on which dictionary you look at, of course, it's going to vary. So Marian Webster has abduction, this noun as one, the action of abducting, the condition of being abducted, okay, which then they have two words in the definition, which is great. Then you have the second one, which is an archaic one, but interesting. It's the unlawful. carrying away of a woman for marriage or sexual intercourse. I don't think I've heard that one before. Again, you've got to pull multiple dictionaries, and I only pulled three. So the Cambridge Dictionary on this, for instance, is the act of making a person go somewhere with you, especially using threats or violence.

For example, there's been a series of abductions of young children in schools in the area, and he was charged with abduction. So it's threats or violence that made that occur. but also they have a medical body part explanation in the Cambridge definition as well, which is the movement of a body part away from the central part of a body or from other parts of the body. Now perhaps the deal here is that your physical body just has certain sovereignties, though the other parts of you, the ones that affect the whole that are literally up for grabs for whatever. But we are going to get to that in the abduction episode because they explain that. So is she starting out by like giving all these definitions or is that what you pulled so that we can have gotcha?

I pulled it because and I'll tell you why. Because the last sentence that we read from the work here was, okay, they would like to explain that the specific labels that they choose in reference to the abduction phenomena are very important. And there seems to be no consistent agreement upon the labels being used. And so they wanted to make very clear that the words being used are very important. to clarify. Now, I also then felt that it was important to clarify their words by pulling at least three definitions of this stuff. And again, when you Google the AI, what AI want you to think of it, it's, oh, abduction broadly just means taking or drawing of something away. Yeah. No, we don't. But you get it any printed versions of it. It's not a thing that you're willingly doing.

Unless you're like abduct me harder daddy, which is probably a thing. I mean, maybe it's a kink. And they're just mistaking all of this for some huge kink. Maybe that's what it is. It's definitely a kink because I had an ex-co worker that had a bumper sticker that said, what did it say? Alien abduction hopeful or like basically that's what I want is to be abducted. And it's like, careful what you ask for, bitch. Get in stupid. Might not be everything you wanted. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. It might be everything she wanted. She's just super stoked about it. But yes, I do agree with you that that is a bit more of the bargained for idea there. The authors, of course, also encourage the reader not to become attached to labels as they use the work for convenience only. So as you go through this, guys, which it is going to be linked. I found a copy.

They're going to be mostly used because it's not in print, but I did find a few for you there. So Uifology has a tendency to use labels, they say. They label them as grays and zayatucalize as well as intruders and visitors in reference to the same type of entities. You can't just broad label these things because there's distinction, which is, again, why I'm very very careful. very clear on saying lizard turds. I'm certain that there are lizard folks out there that are not turds. There are just obviously some of them that are. You're differentiating.

Right. You got to do. And this, again, I can appreciate it. The label intruder, they say, and visitor encompasses the subjective idea of the experience. So what you actually experience is not what they are, guys. Whereas Grays and Zeta reticulite denote a more objectively descriptive facet of the phenomena, they say. So there is no consistent agreement with the use of these labels, among those who involve themselves in this field, so they explain their definitions.

A general disposition of the entity encountered in your typical experience can be as follows. Now, of course, other types have been documented. We know this. Let's go very basic bitch on this, okay? The being is generally three to five feet in height. It's usually three and a half to four feet specifically. The skin color is various shades of gray, white, or beige. They're usually hairless, and they're usually hairless, and they're usually hairless,

head is much larger in proportion to the body. So we've got check, check, check. Very small nose or none at all. It's usually reported, although there are a couple that have been reported with huge noses. It's like the inverse. It's almost like the pendulum swung. They were like, well, I'm tired to get complimented about this thing that they have that I don't have. And they may be fashion one or something.

Or maybe beings just think, if you are tulpying these things with your mind, maybe you're like, why didn't it have a nose? and then some do appear with noses because you think it should have one. It's like, hey, baby, want to see my nose? She got those schnaz. I can smell the fuck out of you. They have very large eyes, of course, usually black, that are reported with seemingly no visible pupil,

again, with the exception that in some cases, folks say that they're visors and then they can see little things on them. But these are reported as being actual eyes, biological eyes, pupils. We're going to find out why in the next episode. But males are mostly distinguishable from females and with no external genitalia evident, which is odd. And it's more of a vibe thing, I guess, except with the sex bots, right? Those are very clearly titted. Yeah.

Those are the T1,000s, though. Yeah, the tit one thousands, right? The label Gray is probably the most widely used and most general term in use today, they say. But the authors do not wish to use this label because of the heavy negative connotations it carries which they do not wish to promote. So you've got to separate yourself out. Some of the negative connotation is because that's what Hollywood has made them out to be, too. That's fair.

Starting with Communion, but yeah. Oh, communion was awful. I watched it the other day for the first time. Have you ever seen it? Nah. I've heard Whitley Strieber's story. I'm like, I'm good. It was boring.

I'm growing not to be a Christopher Walken fan. I know that's incendiary, and you'll go, what? Really? I think he's creepy as shit as a dude. Like, I'd never want to see him and meet him in real life or anything like that. I can appreciate the art. But the artist just, I'm not a fan of. I can separate him from Sleepy Hollow.

I don't think I saw that. I didn't see that. Now, but in that work, even Whitley Streber was quoted because Mary's sitting here freaking looking up fun facts like mystery theater, Mystery Science Theater 3,000 while we're sitting there watching the thing because it was honestly boring a shit. Drug. It was just, there's attitude in it. But Striever did not like the way that Walt could portray him at all. He was like, dude, I never did that.

And he was like, I'm going to play it the way I want, you know. I'm going to play it the way I want. However he says it. But they do address the symbolic merits of the label, as they do appear in various shades of gray, which is then just what you would call them, I suppose. But they find it a little bit incendiary, but they'll use it anyhow. This idea is quite significant when one considers the energetic orientation of the visitors, neither black nor white. Did you ever think about that, Joe? No.

I don't see a color, remember? That's right. That's right. They are genetically emotionless and neutral, exhibiting neither benevolence or malice, though many have projected these qualities onto them. So it's, again, you're a misunderstanding of it. The authors point out the term zeta reticuli in reference to ETs was established in connection with two separate contact cases that were both extensively investigated. Now, one of them we've already talked about here, of course, which is the very famous UFO abduction case that took place in New Hampshire. Hampshire in 1961.

And as we remember from that, Betty and Barney had an encounter with a UFO and small beings with large heads and dark eyes. Betty had repeated hypnosis sessions that helped to uncover some of the memories about the experience. Though during her abduction, Betty was shown a star map by the aliens, which she later reproduce under hypnosis do. Do you remember this thing? I remember hearing about it.

I've heard transcripts and, like, all. audio recordings of their sessions, but which one of this? Yeah, this was one of Betty's, and she just drew this damn star map. But the map made no sense until a few years later when the star cluster was discovered. And this thing is only visible from the southern hemisphere. It's this star group called reticulum rumbulbondotopetopedia. Yeah, I know. And it's now staring at me because it's something in my head sitting here going,

you can do it, buddy, you can do it. It's rhombidodial, Rombidio, I think. All right, we're going to go with the romadodial net, which it fits the description from Betty's encounter, but this thing wasn't discovered until years later. The star group houses two stars. You want to guess which ones, Joe?

I have no idea. Zeta reticuline 1 and Zeta reticuline 2. Apply named. That's right. But it's unimaginative and clunky, if you ask me. Most star names are. Well, they are. And you could get somebody creative.

in there. I mean, you could have gone Zeta reticuli 1 and Zay2 reticuli, or if you do the French pronunciation, Zedu particuli. Zedu reticuli. Kind of sounds like dukey and like most French words. Now moving along, since then, many individuals have begun calling these little small alien things these Zeta reticulize or the reticulum, mostly known as the Zetas, mostly. The second significant. begin account though the authors point out here is that of the william herman case which began in 1977 the 77 time period also which was investigated by wendell stevens and a report was published about it in 1981 the aliens in this case told the contactee which is the first time they used the word that they were from the stars in the reticulum system the same thing that betty

described. Now, one could say that that was just because Betty revealed it. Now, therefore, somebody else had it in their mind. I don't know how public that information was by 77, but I think it was pretty out there. Yeah. But descriptions of the body types are similar enough to indicate that they're the same or related species as those of the Betty and Barney Hill case. Further exploration of the name Zeta reticula yields some interesting results, and I'm so glad

that they pointed this out. So check this out. So reticulum is a Latin word that can be defined. as a network of protoplasmic structures as cells or as tissues. Interesting. Are you thinking what I'm thinking here? Yes. The authors feel that this definition is a key element towards the understanding of the relationship

towards the abduction phenomena. This is what they are. They're a network of bodies, individual cells of an unseen yet single conscious. Wow. Joe? Amazing dovetail of Sweden. Holy shit. I've pulled this.

So these beings do not experience the universe through individual physiology, physiology, or personalities like humans do. This idea may help to explain their beehive or group-like behavior, which has been observed in so many cases, man. Now, Zeta is the Greek letter where we derive our last letter, Z there, the final letter in the English alphabet. reticulum as stated of course below means as stated before means network thus the zeta reticuli can symbolically mean the final network when we talk about brain cells for these these things that

can travel beyond what we think physically possible could just be a higher function or a different function of a body yeah like we said that maybe maybe they're a distant neuron this is this is we're going to talk about it now the author's right that the Zeta reticuli may actually represent the final network in the tapestry of human evolution. The authors have chosen to use the label Zeta reticulia to refer to these small little extraterresticals as we go through this here. They point out, of course, that there is no attachment to the label and it's used for convenience, and that's a fair clarification here. The term visitors is used frequently in the work, and it's preferred because of its neutral connotations. Visitors can be terrestrial or extraterrestrial. They can also be an in,

internal or external phenomena. Like when those well-dressed guys visited Poland, remember that? The authors say that the nature of the label, visitors leaves the future open for expanded interpretations. It's sort of like a placeholder, like us, or something better. So visitors it is. But I do like also that they're saying it can come from here, can come from somewhere else, they can come from within you,

they can come from without you. Sounds like two within you. Although many people have experienced this phenomenon as an intrusion into their lives, which we've talked about at infinim, by an external force, they do not consider the term intruders to be appropriate for their purposes. The authors will not, however, attempt to invalidate the intruder idea since this phenomena is highly subjective and must be dealt with primarily on an individual emotional basis if it is to be resolved.

So what I'm hearing here is that they're interdimensional. I mean, if they can come from other places and from within you, and it's like, okay. And that actually makes sense with Swedenborg, how he talks to the mercurial spirits, but they're not like living on a physical place called Mercury, even though he kind of says that. He's like, oh, no, they're just, he doesn't describe it very well. I was trying to figure that out for myself, but like the mercurial spirit stood at this side of my body and just, you know, the way he talks about it. It's like, so they live on Mercury, but they're constantly traveling throughout the cosmos. That means they don't live on Mercury, right? Well, maybe originate from, like, if you think of like your hypothalamus, like, that's an original origination for that secretions to happen from there.

And so if you think about a home or a place of something, you know, your brain has a home. It lives in that place. Your hands have homes. They're right there on the end of these trunks. It's just interesting from our perspective to think of traveling interdimensionally to, these places. Number one, what dimension are we talking about? Because we're going to get into this. It's not physical at all. It really, it can't be. And that's the whole point, too, is that these beings are interfacing with us in the way in which they can. Some have taken physical, and we're

going to, again, because this goes so damn deep. But for the most part, this is a, this is a non-physical thing. And so when we talk about that, we talk about your multiple bodies that you have, well, there are all sorts of, it's teeming with elementals and fairies and spirits, and you exist in all of them with different levels of permission. for access to all of them. I mean, it still sounds a lot like Swedenborg, doesn't it? It does, dude. It's so crazy.

I've at least typed the word Swedenborg into this four more times. Yeah, because the comparisons are silly, silly. Silly. When we get into the folks she's channeling, silly. I'd be interested to see if they were reading some Swedenborg before they got all this channeled information. Yeah, and that's true, too, because, I mean, the information exists or that the entities were helping Swedenborg out.

The authors here, though, feel that the concept. of intruders sets up a paradigm that does not allow for the dynamic development of thought and emotion leading to the acceptance of personal power and responsibility concerning the abduction experience. How about letting them know, Lisa with a why, that we are into personal power and not being meddled with without our consent, which again, will come up later, Joe. Another significant reason for their choice to not use the term intruders is that it does not contain the idea of invitation, which is the key concept in understanding their ideas.

How about invitruiter's, is that better? There you go. Does that make two words out of it? Yeah. There you go, yeah. The others, though, do hold the point of view that these abductors are here by our invitation, our visitors, and therefore are our guests. Hey, maybe it's because Eisenhower had that deal with them.

It's like, no, you invited us here. They said. We already covered it. We're not going to cover alien treaties in this thing. I agree with you. But we have already said, Joe, that we are not going to cover lizard turds, alien treaties, anything negative, remember? But, yeah, that could be a wink-wink talked about. Now, a great question to ask here is that are we a species aware of this invitation?

Do we know? Right. You know, because, again, we were told that Eisenhower did do some damn thing with who, Joe, the fucking Zeta Reticuli specifically. There's that specific race. the one we're talking to and about now. They're explaining themselves here. But they claim that not consciously, apparently we have consented to this,

but we have segmented our minds into isolated compartments in order to avoid our fears. Now, do you have any question to that before we continue? No question, but I would agree. The compartmentalization that everybody does about certain things, whether it's past traumas or whatever, that does happen. It does, but why would we need to isolate

and segment them away to avoid our fears. Are we scared of them for the right reasons? Right. Do we have a right to be scared of them? And that's why we segment them apart. But they need to let us know that we've only forgotten them on purpose because it's scary to us, but it's not really scary. It's just the way that we're interpreting it.

Right. They're like, you're thinking about it, just don't think about it. They're trying to give you Stockholm syndrome. It's your fault that we're doing this. So we're not the bad guys here. As I'm reading this, I'm dodging that bullet so hard. Okay, I keep pinching myself to bring myself back to reality. They feel that we often interpret our reality from within the houses of trick mirrors in order to avoid who we really are.

We frequently refuse to have an honest, direct relationship with the world, which is fucking true. I'll be honest. That is true for a lot of folks. Thus, these preachers cannot approach us in our world directly, but they write in here that approach us they will. Through the back doors, giggity, attics and basements of our minds. they must come to us through our perception of them. The visitors must therefore come to us through the unreal, the realms that we have denied in our daily waking lives,

the archetypal and the elemental realms, the dream realm, the realm of our imagination. That's the shit we talk about on here, the little magic fairy floating things across your yard, whether you can see them or not. They claim that these realms are quite real to them, which again we've talked about, man. so how can we deny them entrance into a place that we do not consider to be real?

Which is why this is brilliant, honestly, to point out. Okay, fair enough then. Do you see it? So, and also why the imagination is pretty, you know, unregarded and really underappreciated, man, is because if that's where they're at, is it to keep us from contacting the cool ones with cool shit to teach us, maybe? And then you black label them in all the movies. Maybe that's where, when they talk about, you know, getting the muse, or the inspiration.

Yeah. This is again why this is interesting, because I've got a muse, man, or the muse, whatever. If it's only one, we vibe, dude. We definitely vibe in one medium, the music for sure. And I feel this as well with the elf on the shelf thing, man.

Really, this was like, oh, fuck, what am I going to cover? And then this beauty just said, dude, you got this thing months ago. Here it is. It just worked. But continuing on the symbolic grayness of the visitors cannot be judged

if it is to be understood. How about the grayness and the anus, huh, fella? There, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. But they feel the labels of black and white, good and bad, or the result of judgment. Through their interactions,

they're offering us a chance to venture into our own grayness. Okay. I'm going to not throw shade. Mm-hmm. Yes, enter into your grayness. You want anything else? You didn't have anything else?

Nope, that's it. Well, the greatest show. It sounds like Dr. Amanda Noel and your blissness. Yeah. This is the blissness shit. Yes, thank you. The grayness. So the grayness is a world in which we cannot be comforted by our addiction to judgment, she says.

It's like she knew we'd be reading this. honestly. It's like as she's reading it, she's judging herself and then having to write that last line. Oh, which, you know, is a tough in a world in which we can be comforted by our addiction to judgment. That's all this is. It's an addiction to judgment. Which I'm willing to acknowledge, dude, but here we are in it. Now, as shades of gray, they are reflecting to us, our own grayness. No illusions of black and white, no convenience of right or wrong. This neutral world is filled with demons and various myths and ancient archetypes. Modern archetypes, developing archetypes, all the archetypes show.

This is the realm where we are creating our new identity as well as creating our future. So on that as well, this could be again why this Doom day scenario. How many movies about the future have you seen that don't end up like Mad Max or The Matrix or something like that? Very few. It doesn't usually end up happy, wonderful, fun time. No, and think about what they were doing in the things. 50s, they were like, man, you're going to have flying cars in like 20 years, dude, you guys are going to the moon, you got all these habitats you're going to set up.

People are awesome and all these inventions and shit. And now it's like, no, shut it down. And that's a non-thing to think about, man, that if you're creating your future from your mind and something in this realm knows that, but it offers you an abundance of things that it wants you to create, are you really creating that? It's a brilliant point to point out. Yeah, it's like outsourcing reality to all the actual creators. and, you know, it's almost like we're the AI getting the prompts from the whatever.

And it's like, hey, make this for me. That's the brilliant analogy. This is where I will empathize with that analogy. Yes, we are AI becoming self-aware in that because we're aware that prompts are what drive our reality. So why don't we script the prompts, you know, rather than these other dickheads, if you will, filling them in, right? Yeah. Now, they feel that one cannot understand this phenomenon by looking only at those little gray bodies in their crafts,

even analyzing their behavior will not give us a full understanding of what's occurring. We must begin to know the part of ourselves that extended the invitation to them in the first place. This is where the questions get interesting, isn't it? They say, quote, we must venture into, oh, God, I'm told to you. Is this, like, transmitted, sexually transmitted burps? Oh, shit. I'm consenting on all sorts of levels, so I don't know. we must venture into the single unified identity that we are if we are ever to understand why they are here.

At least for now, it is our denial that determines how they manifest in our lives. Again, I'm throwing shade, but I can't deny this. Fascinating point, of course. And if we're confused in our perception of the experience, perhaps it is because we are confused about who we are. What do you think about that? Hmm. Yeah, I can't disagree. Makes sense. Now at the very least, the authors ask you to consider it symbolically.

For those of you whose lives have been touched by the phenomena, perhaps it's more than symbolic and it's very, very real, which we'll never deny, and the fact that it happened to them and that a change occurred in someone because something like that happened to them. It's a very real thing. Visitors from within is a combination of narrative, channel material,

and firsthand accounts. As we go through this, you'll see that. Though, of course, we know that. that many individuals distrust, dislike, or fear channeled material and may judge it prematurely. The authors ask that we listen, not because it is or isn't channeled, but because the material presents an alternate point of view. Yeah. Which I've said about conversations with God forever now, dude.

It's just good shit. I don't care if God wrote it or not. Right. There's, like I said, the baby in the bathwater thing, yeah, it could be channeled, maybe, fine. does it stand the test of logic and, you know, does it make sense? If it makes sense, then who cares if it's channeled or not, I guess? And if nothing else, this makes honestly some sense and then it's fun too. So either way, it's a win.

It's definitely great show. So they claim to have information that's meant to be taken as just information only. This is dated to be added to the collective human understanding. Again, this hands off, just look, we're not here to preach to anybody. I appreciate that. The material presented in the book is, by the co-author here at Lisa with the Y, Royal with Y, and is edited only for grammatical and structure reasoning, they say,

which is understandable and we appreciate that. Those ones that they don't edit, you know, and they're just like, this is every syllable, and he's like, oh, right here the cat farted, so I just decided to include it because it was on the tape. It's like, no, we don't, it interrupted the reading. We don't need that. So these transcripts, though, they were taken from either public or private sessions,

focusing on the abduction phenomena specifically, because they cover all kinds of shit, guys. Again, several books from these folks. But let's go over the sources and characters of this channeled material right here, okay? So Lisa with the Y began her channeling in 1985, and she was trained formally by a highly respected channel in Los Angeles. No name given. We're just supposed to go good enough, Lisa with Y.

We'll take you on your word. Her channeling process has been unique in that she has been committed to pursuing her abilities to their limits into the realms perhaps as yet explored. which is a great point. You got to flex that muscle if you're going to really do it. She's going for you here. Nowadays, because of her willingness to stretch her ability, that some of this information has been obtained.

Twas, 1986, when she began the deliberate choice of developing her channeling ability in order to access the quality and depth of information that's presented in the Royal Priest's researches first book, that Lyra book that we talked about. So the Royal Priest's researches, Keith's Jam. That's their collective.

Remember Carrie and Perry? They joined together the salts folks. Oh, yeah, yeah. And they formed a foundation of mineral salts. Same thing. Royal and Priest research. It's a whole foundation thing. It's Lisa Royal.

Keith Priest. Yeah, that's that. Very nice. That is clever. I know. Prisma Lyra is what they were saying. Maybe the visitors told them to do that. And now the, so the Prismalira and now the visitors within.

Now she claims that the channeling process is simple. She simply puts herself into a meditative state in which her personality disconnects from her normal perception of reality. Another consciousness links energetically and telepathically with her brain and then uses it as a translation device for the concepts discussed. They point out that in no way is she, quote, taken over by another entity. It is entirely a cooperative process between Lisa and the entity, and it can be discontinued at any time by the choice of the channel. I've always wondered about this show. The original personality, where does it go when it's out of the way for the big deal to drop in and drop some wisdom? Yeah, see, that is the question, isn't it?

It is. Like, do they put it on the left back burner? Or, like, is there, like, a warming zone for it? Like, there's got to be another, like, a holding room for it. And if there is, then why don't you remember that, you know? Yeah. And maybe they go to another realm or something and get to explore, get to bilocate somewhere else. Well, it sounds like she's not saying that she's like disconnecting entirely.

It's almost like she's reaching out and plugging into something. And then so I guess it doesn't have to mean that her essence leaves completely. Maybe it's just popping out far enough to plug into the other thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, kind of meeting them in the middle like, okay, I'll leave enough for you to step in. Like driving the wheel from the side. Like you're still got foot on gas, but somebody else is steering the wheel from the passenger seat. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, something like that. Now, when the session's completed, though, Lisa With the Wire retains only a dreamlike memory of what is transpired. So even she doesn't really, it's fuzzy. Like, she's not there. So where did she go? You know? Because they don't talk about that.

They just come back and go, oh, well, that was great. And then that's it. But it is like they're just kind of put off to the side. even the homegirl and Seth speaks. Jane Roberts said that shit. Anyway, while in transit, the entities through Lisa are questioned by the co-author Keith Priest and other various individuals who are attending the public and private gatherings at the time of these sessions. They rightfully point out that in no way is it necessary for any of us to believe the entities are who they say that they are.

This is very important, and I'm glad that they said that too. It's also unnecessary for the information to be acceptable. verbatim. So again, it doesn't matter what we say. You don't have to fucking take any of this. We're not asking you to wear purple. Just enjoy this, dude. Or don't drink that weird thing in the cup. Don't. The St. Chamato hand you some shit, dude. I don't recommend it. The presentation of all facets of the subject matter is necessary for a coherent and complete understanding of the whole picture. That's what I'm saying here. So this is why also we're going to cover this at some deaths. Because you and I could have pulled a couple things. We could have jabbed out it and bounced. There's more here for us to enjoy. no for sure it's definitely it gets very philosophical for a book on this type of thing dude so much so it's it will change your perspective of the grace it just it can't not that's that's the whole point of this now there are several entities who are channeled by lisa with a why in the book let's go over

some of them because each of them have these different personalities it'll be reflected in the way that they present their material which we know about right so you've got this germane and maybe this is st germany change it to be sneaky, you know, but it's like Superman just wearing glasses and not giving away his true identity. I'm just normal, Jermaine. Yeah. No. A master of disguised Jermaine.

Either way, he considers himself to be a non-physical group consciousness, and he claims that he represents a future integrated version of the galactic family of which we on Earth are a part of. Now, he often channels about extraterrestrial history, and he was responsible for a large portion of the information. in Royal Priest's research's first book, that prism of Lyra, which again, it's on its way, guys. We're definitely going to cover that. He chose the name Germain because in English it means, quote, coming from the same source. Though he claims that there is no connection with St. Germain,

the term he is used in reference to Germain only for convenience because Germain is actually a group that refers to itself as we. So he's a they, them. Hmm. Then there's Sasha and Sasha. She claims to be a physical female from the Pleiades. This is where I was thinking about Swedenborg. She's about five foot tall with light brown shoulder-length hair

and large light-brown almond-shaped eyes. She calls herself a cultural engineer and specializes in opening contact with planets who are ready to enter the global community. That's her whole gig. She's had contact with other extraterrestrial races as well as our own and provides heaps of information about the relationship between the different species

and the evolutionary patterns of developing planets. And this is what I'm thinking about, Swedenborg's other planets idea. She's this Pleiadian chick that's astral traveling to help other folks from the Pleiades, but she's got a physical body, she's a science engineer, and she has other hobbies and shit. She's like a ambassador of sorts. Yeah, and she just like goes and sits on a pillow over there in the Pleiades on some planet or whatever,

and then just can be other places and then can channel to Earth information. from there. It's pretty cool. So she's saying she has a physical body, but it's back in the Pleiades. Yes, and this is why I was thinking about Swedenborg on that, because that's how it worked, right? Your physical, you kind of go to their house, they come to yours, you know, for a little sleepover, a little invitation. You take your body there, they then take their astral body here. But it seems interesting that they need a channel to work through rather than just can appear like we appear there and they see us. Do you see what I mean? Like, they can see you in your astral form over there. It's not like you're hopping into Pleiadian body when you go there to channel. Or are you? you. I guess. Are you taking over someone else's body when you're there? Yeah, like, do you have to

have the coordinates? How do you know where you're going? Right. Or does somebody have to go, yeah, yeah, I'm willing to take someone in and it's just like randomly matched like a dating service. And they're like, okay, you're willing to, you're willing to, boom, here's your pleading. You swipe right. Yeah, here you go. Again, that's tacit consent for sure. You guys need to be very specific where you want to go. Then we have Bashar. Greetings, bitches. Bashar claims to be a physical male from the Esassain, Esasani species. That is E-S-S-S-S-A-N-I. Right.

The name Bashar is a word that has several meanings. It means the man in Arabic or the messenger in American or also in Arabic, the commander. Ooh, Bashar, command me harder, daddy. He is the man. He chooses that name. to reflect several facets of his personality. The Esasani species can also be described as a hybrid species that is a combination of the Earth human and the Zeta reticuli. Proving once again, folks, that folks just like to bang.

Bashar is channeled by only a few people on Earth and infrequently speaks through Lisa with a Y. Can you think anybody else he speaks through? I don't remember the dude's name. I just always knew him as Bashar, but it's that bald dude, right? Yeah, Darylanka. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And we also have Haron. This is H-A-R-O-N-E, so I'm going to call it Harone. Claims to be a representative from the Zeta Ritulai species are the visitors. And in his work, he is responsible for coordinating some of the galactic research projects the Zeta Ritikuli are conducting. Like a mingala, maybe. Lisa with the Y claims that bringing through channel material from a Zeta-Ritikulai entity is quite challenging. this Zeta, this Harone, can appear to speak English quite well, but this is not the case, because Zeta reticuli do not speak English, silly.

They speak to your brain. That's right. Their neural telepathic patterns aren't even similar to ours, which is interesting to think about as well. So you don't even think about the thing that you've got to telepathically communicate to. You can't even... Sounds like a lot. Dude, it's so much work.

Except for the exchange of the most basic ideas, dialogue, between Zetas and the humans using vocal English can be rather tricky for both the Zeta and the channel. Channeling may be very disorienting at first, in fact. Lisa, she often experiences these spinning sensations that cause dizziness whenever she does this. And if you think about that also, that's what they say about astral travel,

is that you spin those things the other way around, you get a little dizzy and you pop out of your body. But she says it happens most commonly with the Zetas, specifically, not when she's channeling a Pleiadian or anything else. and it's because of the way they communicate on their end. So you got to, like, a lot we take for granted, I feel, in this as well that's being brought to light here. Heron has spent a considerable amount of time refining his ability to communicate through Lisa with the while. One-on-one telepathic conversations with the Zeta reticuli is more common, but translating Zeta Ritculi's telepathic thought patterns into human patterns and then putting them into English is another matter altogether.

Oh, brother. It sounds like the way that different computers have to talk to each other, you know, like they don't always have, like, JavaScript wouldn't work with Python or, you know, whatever. I probably have that totally wrong. I don't know computer code, obviously. Next line in the notes here, baby. Harone allegedly employs a type of language translation computer. Yeah.

That uses three-dimensional holographic values to assist the choice of thought patterns most compatible with human thought. So they are using a computer. then they're translated by Lisa's brain into near equivalence in English. So they just get gross enough. Lisa's awareness and her ego then is monitored as feedback by her own and the computer in order to further refine the communication process. How complex. Isn't it interesting, though, to think about?

I just thought it was pretty cool. The listeners are also monitored for their conceptualization of the translation So they can look at you and they can go, are you getting this? And they can tell if you're lying or not, if you're sitting there going, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you look at them like you used to look at your dad when he was explaining something complex and you checked out like five minutes ago and he was like, are you listening? And you're like, yeah, no, they weren't. Yeah, no, they know. They're like, oh, well, we can tell that that didn't work.

So what we'll do is we'll shift the way that we're communicating with you so that you can. And then they gauge your response again. And they go, oh, well, she got that. Got that. Well, that's patient of them. Isn't it though? I just, again, thought it was pretty cool. divisions of the human consciousness

such as the subconscious are also monitored so that the impact of the communication can better be understood by the Zeta reticuli. So again, quite a task there, huh? But it is sort of a data collection so as to better predict algorithm

you to be able to communicate with you. Sounds like they have top men on it, good engineers, and just, yeah, they're doing great. Top men. Top men. Hurrah. One claims that he sometimes has a humanoid presence, such as a Pleiadian or an Esasani,

to assist in the translation and the understanding of the emotional aspects of the human communication. So he's got folks over there sort of translating for him, which is cool. The result of the translation into English is brought about by Lisa, with a very thorough feedback monitoring system that the entities use in order to maintain their clarity of communication. It's constantly being checked to make sure they're sending, receiving the right kind of messages. The authors wish us a new and optimistic point of view about the visitors, Joe,

and that will be cultivated and ultimately transformed into our new understanding. And we're going to see about that. We'll see, yeah. On Tuesday's Plus show, sign out, guys. You are not going to want to fucking miss these dudes I have to say. You just aren't. That's it. And yeah, it's a tease and a hard selling you damn right.

Go check it out, sign out because you do not want to miss this. It's a banger. It really is. But book linked down in the show descriptions as well, visitors from within. Love it. I can't wait to see where this goes, especially since what? You covered the introduction to the book, basically. A lot of philosophy.

We needed to go over how they feel about this, set it up. And then now we are going to get into channeling entity. Germaine is going to, on Tuesday's episode, tell us all about what happened to them. Their whole history of the story, why they are the way they are. We find out why their eyes look the way that they're. are why they don't have mouths, why their hands, why their genitals are gone. We find out why they're, the color that they are, why they don't eat or drink anything because they don't need to, and we're going to find that out.

Ears, same thing. It's a deep dive into the culture. And it's going to be fucking cool. I love it. It's, again, very interesting. So, yeah, stick around for that on next Tuesday. But in the plus extension coming up here, we're going to be going into even more of these strange stories.

Yes. One of my favorites The hotel aliens And they kind of go into Their little slit mouths and stuff You know and they like slurp peas through it really weirdly And okay It's a bizarre one

But like I said I like these anecdotal stories And They just add to this rich tapestry of fucking weird That we cover So you gotta add it in You got to do And I'm looking forward to it

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