Mysterious Universe - 36.05 - MU Podcast - Visitors From Within - Extraterrestrial Sexuality - part 04

Episode Date: August 7, 2026

Welcome to Mysterious Universe Season 36 Episode 05, as today we continue our epic saga with part 04 of … Visitors From Within by Lyssa Royal and Keith Priest. Offering us greater insight into the Zeta Reticuli and their unique perspectives on sex, sexuality, intimacy, and emotion. What a world looks like when you abolish those icky things from your advanced culture altogether, and exactly why they are looking to get back up onto the sweet saddle and get to riding again, reminding us all to lock in our safety words for the experience ahead. Then in Plus+, we continue with Alien Lives Matter and ancient astronaut researcher W. Raymond Drake, who argued that the gods of Greece and Rome were real flesh-and-blood beings whose history became mythology. We look at his interpretations of the Titan wars, Saturn's Golden Age, Atlantis, giant skeletons, mysterious artifacts and ancient traditions that he believed preserved memories of an advanced civilization interacting with humanity. Visitors From Within by Lyssa Royal & Keith Priest Mushroom causes fairytale-like hallucinations Beneficial Long-Legged Flies in Gardens & YardsPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE. Alien Lives Matter: It's OK To Be Grey LinksLinks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

universe this is going to be season 36 episode number five today we're going to continue our epic saga with this is part for joe of visitors from within from lisa royal and keith priest and they're offering us heaps of insights this episode here on sex sexuality why they consider us to be the most attractive bunch of hornies in the galaxy and exactly why they're looking to get back up into the sweet saddle of ass to get ridden reminding us all that having a safety word on all levels, very important at this time in our life. Mine's pineapple juice.

I don't think you're supposed to say. I'm your natural order of things loving host. Brandon Thomas, and with me as always, is the Daly Capadidity expert and pest prevention proponent flageoist Hodgian. Oh, I like that one. Yes. Did you catch that?

Flachioist. Yeah, yeah. Fladjoist. So a philatoist, do you know what that is? floutist or a philatoist no with a pha h no so we're all going to learn some things on your i mean i know you already know what a dolly capidity is because you're the expert in it but i'll go over it for everybody else but yes a philatoist is a stamp collector somebody who collects stamps there you go definitely not me dolly capadidity though is are these little long-legged flies they're

super small little predatory insects and they're characterized by these metallic body colors and they have these long slender legs. They are beneficial pest control, and they take care of everything around here that will fit in their mouth. They look like mosquitoes with their, like, they got punched in a cartoon and their noses all bashed in a little bit. They don't harm you. They don't bite you at all. They're fascinating. We saw them today for the first time.

Absolutely interesting. Do they have a proboscis on it? Do they have a proboscis on them? Was it proboscis? Is that the butt? No, I think a proboscis is like the little, like, sucker thing out of their mouth. Oh, I'm going to guess. Maybe. They eat

aphids and all kinds of shit in your garden. So they're incredible. And you being the expert on it, I thought would be important to point out to everybody. Oh, yeah, I should probably brush up on that college course I took on those things. So this book, though, is the gift that keeps on giving. What are we? Chapter 2 or 3 now. You're 4 in, and we are 3rd Chapter in. So you have four, we're four episodes, third chapter in.

We still have at least two more on this. We're going to go over the abduction phenomena from their point of view and then how to control the abduction phenomenon. All of this has been setting up so that we could rewrite our psyche about our interaction with these things. They're admittingly fear conquerors, but they conquer with exposure therapy. And we're going to go over the sexual component to all of that today because sex is a huge controller. Think about how motivated people are by sex. It's the bottom line of marketing. I mean, the bottom line.

And what happens if you completely remove it all together from your culture? And it just disappears because you saw that it was a sense. in a sense, leading you down the wrong direction, and you identified sexuality and emotions as the two things that you eradicate. And what does that look like? And then are you happy with that decision? We're going to find that out today. Interesting.

Before we get to that, we do have a little just the tip, though, from a, I'm not sure if he's a listener or a plus member, this, Paul. So he wrote in, and he wrote, there's a special mushroom called the Lomonia Astatica, which causes those who eat it to see, rather specifically, tiny little two centimeter tall people marching by. And he said, according to the records at the UNAN hospital, 96% of patients affected by this mushroom reports

seeing an abundance of little people or elves, often dancing, jumping, and marching around their real world environment. Have you ever heard of this? Yeah, I've heard about this recently, yeah. This is so cool. So there's an article that I linked here. Let's go over just a couple of things with this, because I thought it was fascinating.

The article talks about the mushroom that offers the ability to see these little humanoid type creatures. And I love folks that write in and point these things to our attention because they look extremely real to the people that see them. Extremely real. But they're tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny little people. Tiny little cute guys. Interacting with our world.

So this article comes from this University of Utah, the History Museum of Utah, and its mushroom causes fairy tale like hallucinations. It's from November of 2025 very recently. So just to cover a little bit of it here, he writes that, Imagine enjoying a delicious bowl of mushroom soup when suddenly hundreds of tiny people dressed in cartoonish clothing march across your tablecloth. They jump into your bowl and they swim around in your soup

and they cling to your spoon as you taste it. Those are the effects of this mushroom that people are having here and it belongs to this different class of fungi than the more commonly known magic mushrooms and it still remains mysterious. How are they just finding? You'd think that would be part of, you know, tribal cultures for millennia. How are they just now finding it?

1934 outsiders in the western highlands of Papua New Guinea encountered the perplexing site after consuming this wild mushroom that they called the Nonda, N-O-N-D-A. And the local people appeared temporarily insane exhibiting these sudden striking changes in mood and behavior. But they also have collections of stories that go back from a long time. those affected by these things experience Lillipusian hallucinations. Do you remember that word Lillipusian? It sounds familiar, but I couldn't define it. We brought it up one time on the show,

and I've only heard it one time on the show from researching it because of the one time that we brought it up when we referred to the miniature UFOs. When we were talking about those little guys, they were described as little Lillipusians, and Lillipusians were the little things on Gulliver's travels that tied him down. They were from the island of Lilliput, Lilliput,

So they were called Lillipusians. So it's all from this. So is this the only psychedelic effect is seeing these little critters or do you get the psilocybin effect too? That's it. It's no other wavy colorized patterns, no breathing of the walls, no anything. It's almost like they're revealed. That is fucking weird. It is.

I like it. What's the name of this mushroom again? Asking for a buddy who just texted me about it? Right. So it's the Lennamea Azetica. And I'm sure it's already banned or illegal, right? Actually, they sell it everywhere because it's in the cuisine. Because the purpose of this is undercooking it.

So did you know that it's legal to grow San Juan Cactus in your garden right now? They sell it at Home Depot and Walmart. San Juan Cactus? I know San Pedro. San Pedro. Yeah, that's what I meant. So the San Pedro cactus, you can buy that right now, plant it in your yard and have it. But if you cultivate it and use it for psychedelic research, that's when it's illegal.

So you can get a hold of this stuff. just what you do with it afterwards. This is why they sell bongs as water pipes, right? You can throw tobacco in that thing if you want. It's not illegal. It's to do whatever you want. So these things are still available. Folks, go over there and try them in cuisine all the time.

Because that's the only effect. Did she temporarily go insane? Hey, everything's legal unless you get caught. That's very true. This is not a, you know, condoning of anything in particular, but I am intrigued. I want to see a little cute little people. It's a rare psychiatric syndrome characterized. by the perception of numerous small people autonomously moving and interacting about the real world.

So again, they're small, but they know that they're small. So they see the spoon as big. They see your bowl as a pool that they swim around in. So this is a two-way. They see you too. Yes. So I'm assuming they always see you, but then once you realize you can see them, they're like, oh, no. It goes both ways.

So this is, there's, okay, so there's an elder tribesman. There's a few stories in here, which are really cool. An elder tribesman describes seeing these tiny people with mushroom. around their faces teasing him and trying to get him to chase them away. What? And he was trying to chase him away too. So you have all these weird, like he would see them, tease them, he would try to chase them away kind of thing. They would notice and then scurry back, interact again.

Play and hide and seek. Exactly. This thing mainly occurs in Yunnan, China, which is in southern China, and Quinn Ming. I played Kunming when I went gorgeous. South was my favorite in China. It's home to 40% of the world's wild edible fungi, and it's really. noun for mushrooms. And in recent years, these summer rains have brought more than just mushrooms.

They've sparked these new articles reminiscent of fairy tales because all these people now are exploring because of the bounty of the new rains. There's new mushrooms about. Folks are now taking them. So now new fairy tales have started popping up of people seeing these things. Wow. In conjunction with the abundance of mushroom. How long does the effects last?

Because I don't know if I could do eight hours of seeing these little fuckers getting around. I don't think it's that long. I think it might be just. so you poop. I don't know. I don't know what the rate is. That's just me guessing. It seems to be... All right, so 20 minutes. Yeah, directly affected to your metabolism, but I

honestly don't know. He said locals frequently report bizarre experiences after consuming, and now they call it the gin chow quing. Perfect. So a professor in Yunnan recounted seeing swirling shapes and colors after eating stir-fried mushroom. So he got a little bit of

the psychedelic effect. Since the psychoactive effects are familiar to him, because he knew about these things, He had researched these shout-ren-rens, which those are the, it's Mandarin for little people. But he found none. So he knew about these things. Started going, ooh, I'm just kind of, I know I have them, looking around for them and couldn't see him. Then he lifts the tablecloth and peeked underneath seeing hundreds marching like soldiers.

He said that he repeated this measuring them two centimeters high, these two little people as they marched and grinned. He said he did it a couple times, and then one time when he did it, all their heads stuck to the tablecloth and the bodies kept marching. So there's some physical interaction, or at least it looks like it. I was going to say, can you pick them up, put them in your pocket? That's the question is, can you like take them with you? That's a great question. Yeah. Can they stand in your hand?

Do they know they're in your hand? Can they... This is my invisible friend, Dave. He's two centimeters high. It's pretty much this. And then you wonder if something like this mushroom, whatever it is, a natural component, right? you know, if there's something in the food source, breast milk or something like this, where children, is this sort of their imaginary friends?

Did they have this filter temporarily removed where they can see these kind of things? And yeah, of course they're just running around. They're silly. Yeah. That still makes me think, though, that a lot or at least some of the psychedelics you can do out there are either turning part of your brain, you know, tuning it somehow or letting you see a different light spectrum or it's like things that are there and always are, just don't have the ability to see it. Or it's just a hallucination.

That's the mainstream explanation, right? It's just a hallucination. And that's the thing is it's which is it, right? Because these mushrooms may just simply remove the filter if not cooked enough. And then there you go. Plus, I mean, as nature intended, really, I don't think God or whatever intended us to cook the shit. You'd probably just intended people to pick the thing up and eat it raw, which would have then considered it undercooked. Yeah.

And then you would have had access to these things. So if you cook it too much, you don't get the effects. Yeah, correct. Only if it's undercooked. will it work like this, is what they say. So records at the Hunan hospital, again, show that 96% of patients affected by this mushroom report seeing many little people or elves,

often dancing, jumping, or marching around in their surroundings. There's this third century CE Taoist text that refers to a flesh-spirit mushroom that, if consumed raw, allows one to see a little person and attain transcendence. Seems like it's not a little person, though. There's a bunch of these guys. Heaps of them.

Heaps of them of all sorts of different persons. Like little elves. Like what the Keebler elves? Like you think those little cookies living in trees and shit? Maybe someone ate this mushroom said, man, I got a good idea for cookies. And it's this. Or maybe they told him to make cookies. I don't know.

He said an independent report from the Philippines. This northern calderia describes a similar phenomena. These indigenous communities that collect and consume this wild mushroom called sedesidim, which occasionally invokes visitations from little people called Encisit. That's just their name. name for them. So just like the Nanda, the Papa McGinney, the Jin shall quit in Yunnan, it's actually an esteemed edible mushroom that produces bizarre yet constant, like very

consistent psychoactive effects if undercooked. It's pretty cool. I'm going to have to find some of these. I know. So there you go. Thanks for writing in him, buddy. We appreciate you, man. He's up there in Humboldt too, the safest county in California to live in. Very cool. What was his name again? Paul? Was it Paul? It was Paul. Paul Paul and Humbold.

Cheers. There you go. Head up Joe, dude. He's right down the street for me. You guys can go investigate Shasta together. That'd be cool as shit, huh? Yeah, right down the road. Oh, and I forgot for Plus.

I knew you were about to get into that. For Plus, we're going to be going back into the Alien Lives Matter. It's Okay to Be Gray book. I started on the Tuesday show, The Plus Show. This is Timothy Green, Beckley, and Sean Castile, along with a lot of contributions from a lot of different people. Like I was mentioning on Tuesday, it's a massive book, tons of stories in there, and we're going to be going into a couple more of those in the Plus extension,

including what may be the first reported siding of a Tic Tac craft. Really? Stick around for that. Can you tell us the year or no? That's okay. We'll get to it in an extent. Really? I believe it's 68, yeah.

Interesting. Which is funny because I'd never heard of the Ticktack before 2017 with the Nimitz thing. So, yeah. Well, we're looking forward to it, buddy. Sign up in the links below. guys. You get a hard bitrate feed to listen to that on too. So let's continue with our saga here. Now again, guys, this copy of this book here,

Visitors From Within is going to be linked down in the show description. This is part four if we're keeping track here. And again, thank you guys so much for those who have signed up for Plus. You guys really get access to the running threads on these and the big insights that we get to pull from all this kind of stuff. So this is part four if you've been keeping up. And we still have a couple more to go after this, actually. This one, we're going to get into sex sexuality

and what getting rid of it all together looked like for these sages of time and wisdom and space. This one is simply titled Sexuality in the Zeta Reticuli. And Hiron here is going to be channeling through Lisa again for us to get a lot of insights. We have a lot of great questions from some folks that come up in this. Heron writes that sex was one of the symptoms expressing our dysfunction.

And so we denied it, along with the rampant emotionality that ran through our culture. he identifies sex as being one of the biggest issues for them as a species. And if you look at movies like idiocracy in the very beginning of it, when there's two smart people or whatever those intelligent people you could say, they are sitting there planning out, having a child, and then they end up not doing it. The guy dies all that.

And then the redneck guy is just pumping kids out like it's no tomorrow, right? It's always Cletus and Velvita. That's right. And that's the results of all of that. well, maybe they just saw it too. Maybe they saw that movie. And we're like, fuck this. Just stopped it all.

Go back in time. You know, he is so prophetic in his wisdom in that movie. So the authors know here that in any attempt to understand the Zeta reticuli psyche, one can examine their views on sex and sexuality to gain a great deal of clarity. Well, we know they're kind of repressed and weird anyway because they're smoothies, right? I mean, they don't have the necessary wedding tackle to perform the deed. Which is an interesting bit to this because how are they sexually interacting with folks when they start choosing to if they don't have the bits to do so? There's an answer to that, by the way.

Maybe that's why. Because it's something they can't do. So they're like, why do you guys do this? So they are inherently smoothies, but they are able to come up with genitalia is what I'll say. And we'll get into it. I mean, we know that from the bots. The bots. Extract things.

I mean, they know how to make them, but they don't come stock standard with them. And they can sort of. adjust on the fly. It's very interesting. That is convenient. That is convenient. So they're truly non-binary gender fluid. Yeah, at every sense of the word. And we're going to get into the chromosome doesn't mean anything. They just sort of pick one as a, okay, that's what you are. You're just in that vessel. Again, it's like Roger from American Dad. He can basically be or have whatever he needs at the time.

This is exactly true for this. It gets very interesting. So they say that there's a high degree of clinical curiosity here. And that's it. He said, and it also seems that there's an intense. desire for experiential understanding that has so far alluded them. The Zeta reticula have not yet seen the importance between the link between emotion and sexuality. Try as they might, they continue to examine the chemical nature of sexuality while struggling to understand how human emotions can be expressed through this chemistry. Their desire for absolute understanding on their part is what drives them toward seeking an integration between biochemistry and emotion.

Here, we are going to go over a conversation with Heron. This is projected from one of the holes of our tranch channel Lisa here. And Heron, of course, is a project leader for some of the genetic experiments as a Zeta reticulant. Zeta reticulent, is that what you'd say? Yeah. He has spent a considerable amount of time among humanoid beings from other races and uses his insights as an attempt to communicate to humans about the Zeta reticulae purpose and intention. So this dude's job is to make sure that he is an ambassador for his species speaking on

behalf of the hive mine, so one speaks for all. So this is Heron. A hero! Heron says. He said that we have already spoken about the history of the Apexian system. And if you are not on Plus, sign up for plus guys. Go check that out because it is fascinating. This home planet where sort of all started from and went down from that then shifted in time and space because it's a weird sci-fi shit. I don't know. Now, a clear understanding of this history will allow us humans to understand how they evolve the way that they did and why they know that there are certain things that they need to do to regenerate into their beings. So let us discuss the physiology and sexuality of the Zedarotikuli eye. In their past, they vowed never again to allow passion into their lives

in any area. They saw that that emotional outburst was not helpful. And so they just eradicated it altogether. So they began cloning out of their bodies all physiological reactions that could lead to an emotional response. They actually took out the physical neurochemical reactions that produce emotions altogether. Throw them out. We don't want them.

They wanted to react in a completely balanced way to any kind of stimuli that they encountered. There was no longer any emotion or varied response whatsoever. See, now is that actual balance? Because you'd think taking out all of the emotions, yes, you're left with what, a purely objective, even keeled response, but that's out of balance because we need the extreme of that, right? I would think so. In my opinion. And it seems that we are learning from each other. And it also, I have a wild speculation about what part we are on the body now based on this interaction, and we'll talk about it. So, Harone says, we discovered that we had made a mistake. The cloning process we had developed to solve our original planetary problems resulted in weak cellular structures with no variance and no adaptability.

We knew we needed to return to a process of biological procreation, which also meant a return to emotional responses. Now, that's a great question. Why do you need emotional responses just to stay biological in nature? Why couldn't you, let's say, get a handle on your emotions in a sense of being able to alchemize them in a healthy way, but still be able to procreate? And I think that that's still having them, but under control. Yeah, you don't get rid of them all together. It's like saying that just because you broke your arm rather than taking the time to heal it, you cut it off because it's of no use to you in the immediate. It's like, dude, if you give that thing time to heal, you give it some specialization.

attention, it's still useful and valuable. A bit short-sighted maybe. I'd say so, yeah. He said, but their physical bodies were now totally incapable of either. They had no sexual organs. They looked down, they're like, oh, shit. They had no physical differences between the sexes. So who are you kissing, bro?

You know? Everybody gay now. Everybody gay. He said, if you were to look at the males and females standing next to each other, you would see no difference at all. And there are some that see no difference. here. No, do they, Joe? That's not a male or a female.

That's not a new thing either as far as sci-fi goes or robots or AI nowadays, but the whole breeding out of emotion because then you have this purely logical society. I don't want any part of that. That sounds boring and

clinical as shit, which is probably why these little fuckers are clinical. But yeah, there's a reason, well, at least for humans, there's a biological reason to have things like anger and fear because it produces certain chemicals that help you get out of the situation. But I guess if you have no emotion, then it doesn't matter anyway because, like, oh, I'm going to die now. Okay, bye.

Yeah, someone else will take the place. There's many more. We just build them. No big deal, you know, or just they exist because we have a need for them. So there you go. It's bizarre. And then it is a great look at what happens when you do decide to do something like that. So there was a question from an audience member.

So when you were choosing a Zeta body for your. life, it makes absolutely no difference, whether it contains a female and XX chromosome or a pair the X, the male. And he said, correct, there is no physical difference. There's no psychic difference either. There's no polarization of energies. This was because of their decision to remove all emotional reaction and to become totally fused mind. They had to decide that their individuality was not healthy. It was an individuality with a denial of the whole. They then sought to become a the whole. Giggity. And thus, they denied their individuality. They chose this Borg state, but that's something I found very interesting on this, that there's no physical difference between

them, but why then, because it's interesting to think, again, like, oh, I have a left and a right side, but the issue with that is, is that they're both different. It would be better to have just all lefts, you know? Yeah. But is that true? Why would you do something like that? Or why would you say that you eradicate all differences within, from this perspective, it makes sense to them. But again, how you could take that over hundreds of years and think that that's your best option is that something that's going to inevitably happen for us because there's a lot of strife and free will and individuality. But it's also the blessing. Well, it's hard for us, you know, as individual humans to even conceive of what being in a hive mind would be like.

Right. But not to throw out Rick and Morty again, but the unity episode where the whole planet is one consciousness, but they're all different people. Again, super boring. They all have the same. So they never just disagree with themselves. So it would be like having a planet of one person's mind. So you're never going to think you're wrong or think that maybe you should do something different because it's all you have. That's all you can. You know what I mean? Like so they never thought again that, oh, maybe we should introduce emotion again at some point because it's just one singular mind going through a bunch of creatures.

Exactly. Kind of creepy. It is very creepy. I've got a song lyric. If everybody's thinking the same, no one's thinking at all. There you go. Harone says that there's no physical difference, so why does it matter there? He said that we have now seen the polarization even further as we wish to bring it centered

by incorporating individuality within our wholeness. He now sees that it is important. So again, it's like they, from their perspective, sort of bred this out of them for reasons. But if we're honest with them last Thursday, they woke up like this. They just have always been like this from some of their perspectives, you know? Right. So they're now seeking. wholeness from that perspective of lack of individuality.

We are seeking wholeness from a perspective of individuality. It's very interesting. So their right brain and humans are left brain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to get there. Because there's some speculation on this you're going to are going to go into because they give it away, kind of, and it's fascinating. And their interaction with us gives us away as well. So we have another question here.

Are you in the process of trying to integrate this individuality by attempting to reincorporate sexuality. And he says, yes, we recognize that it's a vital function for physical, biological beings. We feel that sexual behavior can help us experience emotion. We've seen that civilizations on other worlds who are very integrated emotionally and still have sexual relations and procreate as a species are happy and doing great. He said these qualities are desirable to us and they would serve our race well if we could incorporate them. How would it be desirable if they don't have emotions though? Like, why would they

even, why would they even want that if they're, they're lacking of all feeling, basically, you know? You're in it with me because the way things are described in this are emotionally motivated. They're not purely scientifically motivated. There's a desire and a curiosity which we've always, which we've just determined in one of these shows, guys again, sign up, is tapped into the wonder and the curiosity, which is more of an emotion rather than a tactical clinical exercise, right? Yeah. So maybe they actually kind of failed and they didn't remove all emotion. They just left a little sliver in there. And now it's nagging at them like a, like a, you know, a thorn under your fingernail or something. I think it's like running away from true nature. If you do this, if you're saying, okay, well, we were set up as a gendered species with one being one way, one being another. And we've decided that that's horrible. And so we're fusing it together and blending it out. You're going to, it's going to inevitably go back to nature, I think. And that's what they're seeing here, that they just kind of went too far. That is interesting too because they basically did what all of occult and like alchemists were trying to do forever.

The great work, the merging of opposites. Like this homogenization and then they went, oh shit, maybe we fucked up. This is why when I look at things like this from our perspective, it's like is the goal that we're said to be going after the true goal? Is it our goal? Or is it their goal? Have they implanted this idea of homogenization and wholeness into our psyche through various means which we're going to cover? it's so that we feel that we feel that way. Yeah.

You know? It's bizarre. A little bit of weird psychology they're trying to put on us here. It is. And this is another thing I thought that it was just kind of odd that we were kind of taken for granted is the idea of individuality and opposites. If anything, this has made me appreciate that our individuality more and that women are different from men and that we can come together and still make shit happen, though we are set up to be so polarized in so many different ways. But that's because equality was given to us. as everybody's equal and it's like, okay, you can treat everyone equally, but we are very different.

That doesn't mean lesser than or better than. It just means different. And that is actual diversity and that's what makes the place run is this polarities. Hilarious. Ironically, we feel that alien overlords are the ones that are putting all these liberal ideas into discredit and dysfunction and subjugate the movements of stability and harmony, right? But we go back then, too, that it was the Zetas that actually are looking for whole stability and harmony that planted this.

You figured it would have been the Draco reptilians. Hey, you know, we still can't roll them out. This is only a perspective from one of these characters in this book. And guys, we're not going to cover the whole book. We still got a couple more on this, but not the old damn book. There's still plenty more characters in there. We don't even hear much from Sasha at all. She's cool as shit.

So, Harone says that they don't express any physical affection to one another and that there's no reason, or at least there wasn't a reason in the past, and that there's no real one-on-one interaction between them. But there is interaction with a group. And this reminded me of like a super busy city or something. There's heaps of folks running around, but no real personal connection to speak of. You know, what remains of any type of ceremonial behavior they might have is merging with whoever's physically present at the time is what Heron says about this.

That's pretty bizarre. So they form an adorable little circle. They hold hands and they merge with, quote, the one. Not a one. They're the one. So he says that when they communicate, communicate in that way, they lose focus of their own day-to-day tasks, and they gain the focus of the whole. Giggedy.

So they're meditating. Okay. Pretty much. And he says that you could say it's a sensation of expanding and merging. He says, quote, we would assume that it is the closest thing that we have to sexual interaction or affection. So like an odd orgy of convenience, obligation, and proximity kind of a thing. And it sounds odd. Brain orgies.

Again, demolition, man. Yeah. thing and I like that. Now we have a question from the audience here. Do you feel any love for the others during these times? And Huron says, I did not really understand what love is, but I do believe the correct response would be new. He said that they resonate with an idea, not another individual. And maybe that's where they're so adamant about the bang dolls there. They're like, well, here you go. It doesn't matter what it looks like or how it feels. It's meant to be doable for the purpose, not a long-term commitment kind of thing.

Well, and to be fair, for most dudes on the planet, they're correct. They could just stick a hole there and they'd get the job done. It's sort of that reductive. It really is. It's just sort of a bit of an empty into the one you with kind of a thing, you know? Harone says that those on your planet place such an importance on the sexual act, an importance that goes beyond the need for procreation. But it makes us very curious.

This is just banging just a bang, man, you know, because it's fun. like going to riding a bike or seeing a waterfall like it's right cool they're not hyper-focused on people who choose to ride motorcycles it's it's pretty much close to the same thing and they can't wrap their heads around that because it's it is it is it has no utility unless it is for procreation again that sterile clinical scientific type of thing there's no need to do it unless you're trying to have a baby it's like no well it's there's no function right it's there's no porpoise so he said we see it connected to emotions but we're at a loss to understand it so he gets he's they can see and observe this as their voyeur making cucks of us all.

Remember in a weekend? We covered that guys because you all gave permission for them to spy on you while you're banging. In a plus episode, sign up in the links. But he said that they're still trying to figure out what it's all about. He's like, we see why you do it, but we don't get it. Yeah, again, this logical brain side where they're like, we understand that you do that for whatever we just don't get it. So is that what they're doing?

That's what the whole voyeuristic thing is. they're still trying to figure out, why did they do this unless it's for procreation? That's what they say, okay? That's what they say. But I'd say you've had hundreds of years of watching people bang. And maybe we're going to get to that they haven't even really correlated the data. They've made chimeras and don't really know what to do with them and don't know how to interpret the data that they've gathered. So they made a heap of shit and don't know what to do with it.

So maybe they're not as smart as we thought they were. This is the key thing here is to assume that these things have it all figured out. No, they are shooting from the hip, fuck around, finding out. Literally and figuratively in most cases, just like the rest of us. They're doing science. They're doing science about it. They're doing something about it for sure. So we've got another question here.

So what happened at the beginning of your race when your race first denied its sexuality? And Heron says the energy was channeled into other areas, especially into our mentality. Now, I've got to say that this is sort of like the Seinfeld episode. Do you ever see that when George stops having sex and he gets super smart? George? I didn't know he ever did have sex. Oh, well, they pretend that he's some sex guy on this and he has a lot of it. But either way, it was the 90s, who knows.

So he stops having sex for a little bit. He becomes super smart, successful. He starts speaking Portuguese, like doing all this crazy shit. And then he bangs the Portuguese waitress because he speaks Portuguese, right? So he now learns this language because he's so smart, bangs the waitress. And then he gets super dumb and simple again. He, like, starts playing with toys and, like, fiddling with things like a silly thing, right? And Harone says that not until generations upon generations later do we understand that this increased focus into our mental process that was narrowing our view of reality.

Now, if you think about this, if you're fapin all the time and you're shooting loads all over the place, then that energy is useful for things other than that. And if you are doing it for other than procreation, then it's, some would say wasted. Some would say you spend your time how you want, who gives shit. some those say again that channeling that energy in more of a tantric way will produce higher vibrational states of the mind and more mental clarity but the question is is abstinence the way is it to never joe i would i would think again with most things balance yeah but that's the hard part in having balance in your balance i think i've monologued about that before about uh having moderation in moderation itself yeah which gets

It's really convoluted, but... We're here for all of it. But it's interesting that they lose touch from not touching. You know what I'm saying? So that's pretty much what happened. So again, guys, harmony here. Moderate your moderation. They realized that they could no longer see new ideas.

It made them creatively stifled, not to O-Face. Because they have too narrow of a focus mix, dull Zeta Joe, you know? Yeah. So we have a question, whatever passion you had was removed from all the physical and emotional aspects of your life and was it directly solely into your mental abilities and harone said yeah so that we could solve what we thought were the most pressing environmental and genetic opportunities in disguise

and it's like someone says stop having the sex everyone climate change and whatnot so they just stopped banging to focus on whatever the most pressing environmental matter of the time was so that they could all build their brain power up now steve falconer talks about this if you stop just fapping all over the place you will return that colostrum, which drops every 29 and a half days out of your brain down your spine, turns to a vapor, and then returns back up to the pineal gland, which then it's used for other things. And brain capacity is one of them. That's what's touted about this.

You know what this reminds me of? The beginning of the grays was actually just Silicon Valley tech bros that never got me. And now they're trying to take over and make everything clinical and must be, you know. And access to sex in this way. If you think about it, there's a lot of unquivoccurring. questioned access to sexual energy in this way. A lot of folks just sign in the fuck up for it. A lot of tacit consent.

We're going to go over in this as well. So, yeah. He said that they assumed that they had become imbalanced because they were allowing their emotions and passions to supersede their mentality. And out of the emotional mind and into the mental full scent. So that's just what their choice was. And again, we can do anything we want.

It's just fascinating to see these little lineages and lines and directions if this is some sort of giant god body, how they interact, what they choose, how they start, where they go. It's fascinating, man, just kind of scale this stuff. Well, yeah, like we talked about, like, a cell from the heart would probably have nothing in common with the cell from, I don't know, the balls or your foot. You know, they'd be like, what are these cells doing down there? Like, that makes no sense.

That doesn't make any sense. It's weird. And great point. There was a question. Was there any thought that the denial of sex would lead to a higher spirituality? and Harone said that they didn't look that far ahead, that primarily they just saw that sex was one of the symptoms, again, expressing their dysfunction.

And so they denied it along with the rampant emotionality that ran through their culture. It's like some Fahrenheit 451 shit, you know, you just abolish the feeling, you know? Have you ever seen the movie Equilibrium with Christian Bale? Yes, a long time ago, I believe. Same thing. It's basically a 451 just about emotion.

They burn all the bugs. It's really cool. That's a cool book. Heron says it was not until after the denial occurred that they began exploring spiritual connections with sexuality. So they deny the thing, they get worse off, and they're like, huh, maybe we miss something with that whole banging thing. So we had a question, who decided when a new body would be cloned and when a new life would begin for a Zeta? Harone said, it was simply decided by need within the society for another participant. They just said, oh, we need another hand over here, so let's make one.

He said the authority didn't come from one position or the individual. It's a realization overall throughout the group mind that more are needed. Like needing something for your house and just 3D printing it kind of. It's just like, oh, okay, we need this. So we get another question here. Now you're attempting to regain emotional response by cloning it back into your bodies. And he said perhaps splicing it back in would be more correct. And I thought that that was interesting.

So now they're attempting to incorporate things minimally back in genetically. Again, this neurochemical shit that they just said that they abolished. But again, saying that you abolish something could just be the story that your society has been carrying on. Maybe you never started it with in the beginning. Yeah, it sounds like kind of grafting a tree or something, you know. Exactly. That's what I got out of it, this genetic manipulation. So we had a question, are you at the point to where you're at the, you are beginning to feel the twinges of a,

physical and emotional responses. And Heron said, we may be at the brink of beginning to feel, but right now, even jumping into a fire, would simply be curiosity. We would feel no pain. He said the way we gauge our feeling is how intrigued we are with an idea.

If there's a curiosity and a single-mindedness toward the discovery of an idea, then we know perhaps that the road leads to the discovery of an emotion. So they're saying that they're following the trail of curiosity to get to the payoff of emotion at the end. Weird. It's so interesting to think about the psychology of this, like how that functions.

Okay, we had another question here. When you realize this curiosity about sex, what did you do about it? And Arun said that we knew that we needed a gene pool that would allow us to regenerate our emotions. We needed an existing genetic structure from which we could take DNA and splice it back into our own to reestablish the chemical reactions for us to feel emotions again. And I think we have an answer for where we are in the God body.

Hmm, hit me. All right. So I think, I think, take a guess because you've kind of already hinted at it a couple times. I think you're on the trail anyway. Well, I was, I was just going back and forth thinking left and right brain hemispheres, but I mean, it could be, you know, the heart and the gut or something. I don't know.

What do you think? I think you're on to something with the heart, the left and right brain hemispheres. I don't disagree, and also I would add to it, heart-brain interaction is what I'm feeling more of here. It sounds contradictory that I think that we have a heart, that we're a heart cell, but to think that you're something that feels is what we're talking about here. But it seems that these things are brain cells of a sort. They're just action. They're just forward thinking. Just thinking in general.

It's all quantitative, right? So I'm with you on the brain cells on their part. And I'm just curious about the interaction of the heart-centered introductions into their genetics would offer. And I think that that's what they're searching here. If you think about the connection between the head and the heart coming together, that's all sorts of shape. Well, I mean, yeah, they both need each other too. And again, wildly different cells and different functions, but you need both in order for the universal human to function. Correct.

Coming from very different perspectives, coming from very different worlds, and then attempting to come together and interact. because the mind doesn't always want what the heart wants and the heart wants what it wants, you know, kind of a thing. And then the mind just sort of tries to reconcile or talk itself out of her, understand in this case. So it sounds to me like this is the mind cells coming into the heart cells or interacting with us. We've invited them, if you think about it from that perspective, which we're going to get into more in the abduction phenomena, how they view their invitation from us.

And also, it seems like then that the heart would invite the mind to come into it and get a little bit of empathy, walk around, see what this feels like and feel emotions and share it, that seems to be an incredible thing for a God body to do. If you're sitting there reconciling your thoughts with your heart, that's psychology with yourself. That's healing, right? It's like our God's healing itself by doing this, which might be why they consider themselves to be invited. Got to love how alien gray, Zeta reticulize, are matching up with Swedenborg. How does that happen? Well, of course it happens, Joe, because this dropped in my lap right when Sweden, Swedenborg was gifted to years by an incredible plus member.

All of this is one big thread. Like we talked about before, these shows all together. It's not Plus and Friday. It's one giant album like a Pink Floyd album where all the songs just kind of go into one another. We're doing what we say all the time is that science and the woo side should merge a little bit more and maybe try to figure each other out. Kind of like the heart and the brain cells. Like we need to bring this together and kind of figure out what's going on because it's bigger than any one discipline, you know. Exactly. And then you think of how you can empathize with this, because how many times have you thought of something and not done or said it?

Oh, all the time. Why, though? Why would you not do that? Mostly because I'd go to jail. I don't know. Well, you have a natural curiosity to discover. So what holds you back from the simple scientific awareness of the outcome based solely on curiosity? Well, I mean, it's like a little kid. They don't have filters because they don't understand cause and effect yet or future consequences. it's why teenagers are fucking retarded half the time because they don't see the longer picture. And that's great to a degree because they're kind of free, right? Then life comes along and whips them up the ass and then they turn into boring adults like everyone else.

It's that domestication, right? It's just, but what if you never had any of that? What if you just acted out of curiosity? And then how would that be perceived by folks who are bound by fear, social contracts, emotions, things like that? How would we perceive other beings being that bold? if you will, you know, being that themselves, being that authentic, right? So we had a question, did you find a suitable species to crossbreed with? And if so, where?

Joe, any guesses? Earth? Her own said, yes, your Earth. Your planet has all the primary genetics from our previous history, which is interesting. Plus super hot chicks. Right. And it's all in one place. It's perfect.

The mammary is there. It's, like, you're really interested in these, floppy things on their chest. We don't get it, but hey, you have it in abundance. This is sort of making more sense whenever we got to the bang dolls, why they were constructed the way they were, why the tits were too high that that guy described it. He felt it was weird. He's like, we don't know why they're, that's why they kept throwing them on there because we're interested in them. We do realize that they like symmetry, though, so we tried one bigger than the other. It didn't go so well. Didn't work. Yeah. Well, tits are naturally, one is bigger

than the other. Yeah. And so it would be off if they were symmetrical from our point of view. We'd be like, Hang on, something's weird. If you're right-handed, that left it should be a little bit bigger. Anyway, Harone reminds us, unasked, of course, again, that we are to please understand that they're not doing anything against anyone's will or wishes. They really want you to know that, even though no one's asking them that. He said that to us, we have invited them. Rather, we know it consciously or not. Harone says, quote, we have always assumed your subconscious was the voice of your conscious.

Now that we have been communicating with you for a while, we have learned that you do not always know what your subconscious says. And this is a deep-ass point of reflection from the visitors from within, dude. I'll be honest with you. Or you ignore it, which I would say is more the case. We're going to get there. We're definitely going to get there. He said, we've looked to humans whose subconscious minds have invited us in. And we did not realize that these invitations were something not recognized by the conscious mind.

The next damn sentence, Joe. I love you. So he says, we have also understood that the part of a being that makes it sentient, the part you call the soul, can give permission for certain events to occur. And you hear about this bullshit in the contracts, right? Oh, you signed a contract to go here and live with your parents. Your soul agreed to it, even though you're not consciously aware. But they are aware. You signed it under duress, apparently, because you don't remember it.

Yep. You guys need to sign that. TDC, thread duress, and coercion. Nonna sums it. Look it up. Now, there is no such thing as someone being preyed upon. or being a victim, he says. You will always draw to you what you want or need to experience because you are as curious as we are.

You freaks. Now, he says that with this in mind, then they have approached our planet and sought out individuals who have given their permission, rather on the conscious level of the soul or the soul level to become participants in their experiments. Now, this is heavy task of consent, dude, because how are you able to recognize this? this, they still know that most folks don't operate in the subconscious and that most are only beginning to uncover what they would have stuffed down inside of them there to get through their day to day. And if you think about that, what is your subconscious for?

It's all that shit you don't want to deal with right now. Well, that's what they're listening to you on. And how many freaky woo cases have been described as folks who don't know anything about the woo? They're completely unaware. They're completely uninterested in it before experiencing something like this. We end up talking about it on the show. You know what I mean?

It's those most likely to be wholly unaware of their true medious operandi, like them, their modus operandi are the ones that are being affected by this kind of stuff. So prime victims. Prime, yes. Well, prime participants is what her right. Prime informed consent, volunteers, we'll say. Yeah, informed-ish consent, right. You're informed that you've given informed consent. Yeah. And so you just have to trust that. Or get very clear with yourself, which we're going to get back to.

So we had a clarification question here. So you're saying that you've never performed an experiment without the agreement of a human being being involved. And Harone says, correct. Quote, we cannot perceive those who do not completely agree. They literally can't see you unless you're looking for them in any part of your conscious being. You're invisible to them. this is where it seems that getting to know yourself just got a whole lot more valuable, it seems. Yeah. Corone says that they literally cannot even find anyone physically because of their differences in vibrations. It's your vibe in way too high for these things.

You're not a match for them and they recognize the shit out of that. Weird. And it still reminds me of the vampire thing where... Yes. You have to invite it. You have to want it and let it in for it to happen. Which, again, explains, we talked about it on one of the last shows that the reason we've never had, as far as we remember,

had any kind of weird experience like that is because we really don't want to. Stay a fuck away from me. Don't do that. He will talk about you. And the other thing, though, and we're going to get into this and changing the abduction phenomena because you actually have complete control over it. So now I'm kind of, after going through the work and we'll present it here coming up, guys, sign up in length, then I now I'm actually looking forward to it a little bit more. And maybe I haven't because it hasn't come at the vibration I was ready for.

I was a vibrational match to greet the experience the way that I wanted to, and therefore I just have said no thank you. But it seems that with the information we have coming up, I might be pretty interested in it. I might go the way of Dolly Saffron start flying these fucking things around. Or it's a Zeta reticulate propaganda to get more victims. And that, I can't roll that out either, which is also why we're not a vibrational match for it, because we're aware of that, Joe. And I think that that's, again, the same thing. So if it does come with fuckery, it doesn't come to us at all. If it's coming sans fuckery, then you know it's true because we're a vibrational match for that.

Yeah, like do something for me. Like, give me the cure for cancer. Actually, don't do that because then I'm going to get thrown in a black site somewhere. But no, give me something usable. Time Machine. Like how, you know, anything. I'd go time machine. I'd go a little pocket dimension thing.

You know, just I know about, I keep it on my belt or something. I could step in it anytime I want. Fucking go wherever, you know. Just a quiet place. You want to get out of and you just disappear into your pocket dimension. He said that they have been watching us throughout most of our recorded history because they understand that. the development of our culture possibly could parallel theirs in the past.

So this is sort of that future humans coming back in time machines, Alan Butler kind of shit. He said their curiosity reached full force in our 1940s. And in the 1940s, again, he saw the civil legislation had gotten to a point of progressing the ability of total destruction, much like theirs had earlier. Now, he doesn't say the word atomic weapons, but I think we, and I don't think he needs to because I don't think it's the atomic. implied. Well, and I don't think, though, that it needs to be because the atomic weapon idea is what he means by us being on the threshold of being able to kill ourselves. Remember, the ideas are what are important on the physicality of them. Yeah. And so he never mentions atomic anything in here. He just says a time period and that we were then heading towards self-destruction. Well, it's actually a breath of fresh air then to not have aliens, you know, talking about nukes and stuff. fucking lecturing us about a shit, we got nothing to do with.

He said that they understood and recognized that they were at a threshold, and that we could go either way, that we could annihilate ourselves or that we could reach this ultimate potential of our consciousness. He said that they saw that we could be of service to one another. So we asked with our actions, kind of, and this is tacit consent. If you're behaving a certain way, someone steps in, you don't tell them not to, or your actions alone denode in. involvement, that's tacit consent because of the way you're acting. It sounds, instead of tacit consent, it sounds more like implied consent.

They're kind of like, it looks like they want this. So we're just going to say they do. And then tacit would be where you don't say no. Correct. They have implied consent. Ours is tacit to agree not to disagree. Correct. That's exactly right.

It's great way to put it. It's just psychology games with these fuckers. That's all it is. And think about that too. Of course it would be mind games with them. Why? Because that's, yeah. They're the freaking brain cell.

man, right? Yeah. So they started gaining permission to view humans in sexual acts. Thanks, G-Maw, you slut. He said that this provided a storehouse of data that they still do not yet know how to process. So they've just got hours of footage of banging all over the place and they still just don't know what to do with it. I love the mental picture of that of gray scientists just with screens everywhere and chalkboards and they're like trying to make equations. All right.

So he went in at this angle. Whoa, he went in that hole? That's, oh, we have a whole new data set now. Like, I don't know. What is the purpose of that one? That's an exit only. Oh, my goodness. Like, wait, uh, uh, uh, Harone.

Wasn't this the, didn't you say that was that the exit hole? Why is it, why is it going in there? Help me, Harone. Well, this is why we're here, guys. This is why we're here. Just record it all. He said that they have very basic conclusions that are not representative of all the data. He said, no conclusions that they reach are ever true across the board.

He said, you just keep looking for a solution through our problem through our program. Am I right? That was on me. Okay. He said the next step was to obtain the assistance of humanoid races, not of your earth, to engage in sexual encounters with humans. Now let's mix it up a bit, huh?

Is this what if fruits feels like in a smoothie, a bananas, like, oh, yeah, I'm getting in there and then it realizes it's only there for the orgy with the strawberries. You know what I mean? It's like, I wasn't good enough. I need to bring in a freaking, is it a quifiticuli over here? He said they watched those experiments to see if an interaction with another species would it change our sexual behavior. So they wanted to see what beastiality looked like on us, on how it affected us. And what I'm hearing here is, are we too sexy, Joe?

Is that what it is? Is that the deal? Heron says, though they're not yet able to interpret the data, they still collected it anyway. He said that we encounter an emotion at times. This is like a wall to them. So again, like you, why is it going in that hole? Why would they ever choose that? And it's like a wall to them.

I don't get it. Maybe that's why they started tearing cows apart and corring their buttholes out like an apple. They're like, we got to figure out what this is for. It's for something other than poops because humans are using that a lot, like a lot. Heaps, like an alarming amount. They think that if they do that, that God can't see them. It's really weird. They're fascinating.

Heron says that you call it fear, and we cannot read beyond this. atmosphere. So it has considerably slowed our data collection. It's all of our scaredness, man, that's throwing things off. It's our unpredictability, Joe, our pattern interruption. And you know there's studying that, too, this weird, unpredictable nature, because they are so predictable, because they're so logical in the middle of the road on everything. So they're like, this unpredictability, you shall not stand, man. We cannot have it. We cannot have it. Glipped lorpe. And I was thinking about this, too, that some folks are into some freaky shit. Some folks ain't. And everything in between. Oh, yeah. If you pull a ball gap out,

out for one who's really into it and think that we're all like that, you're going to get pretty confused with the kink variations and specificities, man. Oh, yeah. Because not everybody's into everything. And it's so wide and variety that I don't know how you'd ever. They'd have a better chance figuring this out from their perspective, just going on the internet, like all day. Just go on the internet.

You'll figure it out really quick. People are just weird. But that's not a good example either because it is. It's so crazy. Like I think that, like you said, they could see that and then see that it would be a fruitless undertaking to want to quantify that. Like, how would you ever? Right. From what we've seen on the internet today, everybody is really into a bottle shoved up

their poop. Okay, so now we have to do that next time. And that's why they're probing us in the butts all the time. Great. That's how I got my new Hot Wheels car. Now we have a question here that we have also agreed not to remember these incidences. And Harone said, correct. There are some who do remember, but apparently they experience the emotions that you call

guilt or embarrassment. This is like remembering what you did last night when you were drunk, but getting drunk to do the things that you wouldn't normally stand to be sober for to do and then hope that you forget that the interaction happened after the outing. It's so weird. It's like there are heaps of humans who are contradictory and masked up as fuck, and they only read what you are, not what you're saying that you are. Yeah. So interesting, man. So we get a question. When does this kind of thing occur?

And Heron says, first of all, we will interact with you at night, simply because our eyes cannot adopt to your sunlight. They're too sensitive. He said, so let us say that you're sleeping in your bed there. And you suddenly become aware that a being is standing next to you. He said a great many of you approach this idea with fear. What?

What are you talking about, Heron? And they should know that by now. He said that they have no intention of frightening us. Be not afraid. He said, think of it this way. If you were to meet a strange culture on your planet, then perhaps you would unknowingly frighten them. But I think that we have a little bit more social awareness to be able to walk up to someone, not while they're sleeping and stand next to them and stare at them. Again, it's just lack of-

Because we have emotions and empathy and they don't. So they're like, why would this scare you? We're just here to do our experiments. Like, why are you scared? And then the thing is, is like if we understand that, is then us waking up, changing the experience, knowing that they're standing there, knowing that that's just how they are. They're just doi-doys like that. They don't get it. They should be walking around with helmets.

They're just space autists. Space autists, that's right. Now we have another question. What's your next step in the experimentation here? He said that it was for Zeta to have a sexual interaction directly with a human on Earth. And you say, how? How are we going to do this, buddy, right? Because like you said, Sands unit.

We shape shift the parts. He said this is where he asks us to allow him to explain that there are three different forms. of Zeta consciousness interacting with our planet. The first are the straight Zetas, right? Which is a very high vibrational energy that cannot interact with us physically. Now, these Zetas can appear to us only in the quasi-physical stage, such as the dream, the hymnakabit, Gagic, Hypnipompic, right?

And these other altered states of consciousness, like psychedelics is where these things hang out. So they're non-physical whatsoever. So there are beings in those realms that you are interacting with, is what he's saying. Well, that makes sense, then, why there would be so many different types of abduction where it's physical for sure because they come back with some markings or implants or whatever,

but then there's other times like we were talking about where they get floated through the ceiling. And it's like how did that happen physically? That's astral or what we would call astral, I guess. It's like they were able to allow your consciousness to concentrate itself into that subconscious that you've been beaming out to come pick you up on. They finally hop you into that thing and then zip you out that way. Leave your physical behind because it didn't want to have anything to do with this. This other part of you did.

And so that's the part that they take with it. Well, and it also makes sense, though, too, if they're abducting you astraly or out of body, that still will have physical effects when you get put back in because inner world, outer world type of idea. Kathleen Martin talked about this on my old show that she was watching them from the astral, her astral body jumped out with another thing's astral body sitting right there, probably one of these type ones, and is watching her physical body get worked on astraly, and then went back into it, felt great. Like it's had some knee problem or something like that.

I forget what it was, stomach thing. And was totally healed afterwards. But she didn't see them do anything to her physically. That's why there's no markings on her or anything. It was all astral. And then she was physically healed from it. So you're absolutely right. Energy field.

Yeah. Yeah. So category number two is these altered Zetas. And this is the broadest category of the Zeta reticuli. The reason for the alteration is so that they can interact with us more on a physical level. So these non-physical beings said we need physical bodies to be able to do this in. So they created a type two of themselves that would be able to do that. They made a meat suit for themselves.

Exactly. He said the altered Zetas will interact with us for the purposes of learning through energy, through viewing, through observation, through thoughts, dreams, feelings, and repressions. He said those who interact with us in any form physically will be an altered Zeta stock. Just so you guys know. So we can start delineating, right? Oh, cool. So maybe the one in your head's a dick, but the one that comes to you physically is cool.

Maybe you can choose just to work with that guy. Yeah, and choose your own representative there. Choose your own adventure. Yeah. He said the third category is a hybrid consciousness, which is a combination of Earth, human, and altered Zeta. And this hybrid consciousness is primarily unstable. So Elon Musk. Yeah.

He said although there are some strains who are able to communicate with us and who can physically interact with us during our encounters with them. Heron places himself within that category of the altered Zeta. He's unique and then he's a very small percentage of Earth genetics up in him as well. well. Sounds pretty sweet. And where do he get those? Exactly. He said, I've got that answer for that. He said that there's a stepping down vibrational frequency that's accomplished by placing a straight Zeta into an environment energetically and vibrational charged, which will stimulate a denser reality. Did you get that? So what I'm thinking is being a grown-ass adult and having to try to like talk to a toddler, you've got to reduce, you. your adult vibration down to their level so that they'll understand not to take a shut on the floor. Like you can't just say that. They'll be like, what? So you have to like get on their level, so to speak, to be like, no, here's a popsicle. You eat that outside, okay? This is exactly correct.

And it's one of the things that whenever we work with authors in the publishing house that I challenge them to do, I challenge them to take their 700 page idea and reduce it down to a kid's book and get an illustrator. And it's again, that model of jazz. It's when there's no more to take away. but sometimes that takes a re-imagination of the entire way to present the material, exactly like what you're saying. You can't just go to a kid and start explaining these things. You've got to get jangling keys and colors and references. And, you know, you've got a creative way of which to even deliver the information.

And for them, it is exhausting. They've got to lower themselves density like we talked about going to family dinner or Thanksgiving or something. You've got to sit there and go, ah, fuck, I've got to talk about this shit instead of stuff I want. And that's okay. Exactly. And it's somebody who's super smart, you know, admittedly, that can do these like crazy complex math problems and be like, this is how the universe works because of all these numbers and dashes on this board.

It's like, okay, well, if you're smart as you say you are, you should be able to explain that to somebody who doesn't know this. Yes. Put it in layman's terms. And a lot of these super smart people can't. So it's like, I'm not saying you aren't smart, but if you were smarter, you might be able to explain it to a ding-dong like me, right? You should, in theory.

This is where it comes into the super-smart versus relatable. Again, the emotions versus no emotions whatsoever. You can know everything about something but have no wisdom with it whatsoever. Like the mercurial spirits, right? They only want knowledge, knowledge, knowledge in the Swedenborg work. But they had no desire for context, no desire to apply it in any way. Right. They're just hoovering up information for the sake of who have ruined it up.

Harone says it's like the immersion of a being into another environment to get them assimilated to a different density. So I thought about, remember the movie The Abyss when they have to go to different pressure levels? and wait for a minute, or they get the bends when they're going underwater? I don't think I've seen that. Oh, really? The Abyss? James Cameron? I could have. Oh, all the actors hated watch it. If you watched nothing else, watch the behind the scenes like because everybody hated that

fucking movie. It was nightmare fake. It was terrifying. Yeah. And it's a great movie. It's a classic, man. Yeah, so The Abyss. Put it on that list if you don't mind.

But I thought about this. Okay, scuba divers, you can say. Whenever they're coming up from being underwater under those deep pressures, they have to do it in stages and decompress, right? And that takes time. And so this is sort of the way that. I could relate it. But again, if you think about it, it's densities.

You're moving from a pressure density to another, and it takes a minute for your body to adjust via a contraption that will alter the field. They're able to do this with their densities. He said the state of altered Zeta can be permanent or it can be only temporary. He said it's both a physical alteration and a physiological psychic alteration. He said the consciousness will change as one is introduced into a new environment. This is interesting too. I saw a Venture Brothers one time where there's a,

they're young teenage guys, right? These dudes. And then the ghost of Abraham Lincoln had to hop into the body of one of the boys to walk around and do stuff. And when he did so, he freaked out because of all the teenage hormones and he was all horny and running around and like groping things and everything. He was like, oh, my bad, all these teenage hormones.

So the spirit was affected by the physical body that he hopped into. It altered his behavior. And he was then unable to, yeah, kind of restrain himself a little bit by getting into this body, which I thought was interesting. to say to see the same. Whenever they get down into those levels, they kind of change their conscience. Like when you're going to talk to people at Thanksgiving and stuff, you're not speaking like you, you sound a little different. You alter the way you present yourself.

It sounds like they would have a better idea about emotions after doing that, though. You know what I mean? Like if they're experiencing the neurochemical firings and the hormones and all that stuff, they would have a better understand. It would be like a, what is it, a freaky Friday type of situation, You know, you swap bodies and all of a sudden you understand it from their point of view a little better. You'd think they would. It's a great point to make, but think about psychopaths as well. There are human beings, allegedly, that run around this place, they can do horrible things just because they have no empathy whatsoever. There's nothing there.

Neurochemically, there's nothing there. These psychopathic serial killers, stuff like that. It's got to exist, right? So we have a question here. Is the hybrid category formed by taking Earth DNA and using it in the cloning process with an altered Zeta? and Heron says it's correct. That is what is considered a hybrid. It will be done through various laboratory procedures

in which human DNA is successfully bonded with an altered Zeta DNA. He said one of the difficulties that they've had in their experiments in creating hybrids has been trying to discover the correct environment for the Alta Zetas before the bonding of the Earth DNA occurs. And I wonder if this is how a wolf feels when they see a domesticated dog, when they see these altered familiars, but they're not quite right. It's like, ugh. Wolf sees a pug and is like, what the fuck happened to you?

He's like, oh, like when Kathy Davis sees her little daughter on the ship, she's like, it had this stringy hair and it looked like a sick doll. And she was just roasting this thing. I was like, God, she was like, that's not my kid. My kid's a robust and strong. She said that. So we have a question. Besides us being too goddamn sexy for her bed clothes, why would an altered Zeta want to have sexual interactions with humans?

Which I thought was a great question. And he said, to play at the sexual encounter. to see if it triggers any emotion in this. He's literally just seeing what it's like to get his freak on to fuck around and find out. I don't think they know how terrible a case of blue balls they're going to get when they don't have the correct tackle, you know, if it worked and they're like,

ooh, I'm experiencing arousal. But nothing physiologically happens. Yeah. You know, it's weird. I think blue balls is a myth so that you spew it. Because your body knows what you do with that stuff. I really do. I think it's a myth.

We can go on to that. I think it's a succubis myth, but we'll talk about it another time. Your body wants you to spew it. Oh, my God. But it knows what to do if you don't. It'll reabsorb it, and that's the whole point. I don't think that is an accurate line of observation. So, anyway, we have another great question here that you said that your sexual organs were atrophied.

How does this encounter occur with them then? How do you bang humans with no sex organs? So, Joe, you want to take a guess? I'm going to go with Demolition Man again where it's like, I mean, because they say that like, what, 90 something percent of an orgasm happens in your brain? So maybe they're just giving themselves

brain boners in orgasms? Sure. Heron said that we can stimulate organs. It's simply the solidification of energy into matter through the focus of thought. There you go. No big deal, dude. Just growing penises of JJ's on command.

You know what I mean? Because if you're that mentally intellectual, you would know how to physically manipulate your body to have a penis or not. So they're talking about on like the cellular atomic level they're grown a boner real quick.

Yep, real quick. Yeah. Or turning it into whatever. So if it turns in, if it's a dude, then they can turn it into a fuck doll, high titties.

And that's what their interpretation of it looks like. They 3D print, an AI version of whatever they think this thing wants, and then they bang it that way. And then they go pick up Julie down the street

after sucking in semen from Steve down the street. And then they pretend to be a dude and then extract ovum from this thing. Do you inject the ovum that Steve just dropped in its belly because the entity doesn't see the difference between itself? It's a receiver and a giver. Yeah.

As it wants. On command. Very, very nice of it. I wonder how many STDs are spread through these things. Harone said that we cannot yet create any physical sensations through these simulations, though. He said that we're not fertile with these simulated organs either. Just sex bits on demand.

Wait, so they can grow a dick just can't feel it. Correct. That seems like a waste of time. Seems masturbatory, doesn't it? But it's because they don't really care about that because they're using it for its function. So they're like, well, it doesn't, we don't need to feel anything. It just needs to get turgid or, you know, and then do the thing and then we're done. Like, we don't need to feel anything.

But has no one pointed out that the reason that nerve endings are on the top of a penis and a clitoris are for the reasons of that? You'd think they'd know that again. They could generate. You think they would have figured this out by now, but they just can't comprehend it. I wonder what it would look like if they only had their. genitals in the mind. You know, they had one stimulus. I think that would go rampant. I don't think that would be a good idea at all. They seem way too horny for

not having any emotions whatsoever. They're just so interested in it. Curious, right? Yeah. He said that no children have been born on your planet yet as a result of these experiments. You ho, Bubba. Have you ever seen some of these politicians, though? So I wouldn't be so sure, man. I think you could have had a load slip through here. Yeah. He said

though they may have altered DNA, but they're not considered hybrid. And my question was, what makes something the offspring of two things coming together to create a third thing that results in something completely different. How is that not a hybrid of some kind? Unless they don't consider their genetics to be foreign or separate from ours enough. Yeah.

Well, I think that it's odd to think that they have clarifications for beings who look very similar to themselves, calling themselves, no, that one's a hybrid. I'm not, you know, I'm a pure race yet they consider us closer to them than those other races. Do you see what I mean? How you're like genetically closer to a banana than something else, you know what I mean? Yeah, like you're 99% identical to a banana. he said that the issues that they're working on now is to strengthen the immune system of these children's because they're just weak.

Yeah, like Kathy Davis said, like this thing can just blow over in a little light breeze. He said that they possess portions of the human immune system and portions of the Zetas and that they're finding a bit of difficulty in achieving a stable balance. Again, maybe because these things probably aren't supposed to be mixed, you know? When you've got weird space viruses or whatever, like, I'm sure they're subject to different things than we are. so that would be a weird problem to fix. Right. He said that one experiment they conduct involves the impregnation

of a human female. The child lives within the womb for three or four months and then it's removed. And we've heard about this in a couple of those weird cases. He said the child cannot live on Earth because of the differences

in its vibrational frequency. They put too high of a vibrating baby in your vagina there and it's just you can't keep it. And they put them in the hyperbaric chamber up on the spaceship or wherever. For 10 to 12 months is what they said in that last.

time that we got together. Remember, it's a little longer. They got to cook them a little longer there. He said that another experiment is when a female is impregnated by a seed that is primarily of Earth origin, but with altered DNA structures. So they go in, they take seed when they suck it in the sex bot there, they altered a little bit, and then spit it in Sheila when she comes aboard. The child is altered in such a way as to become the next evolutionary step on your planet, he says, but it can still survive on Earth. So they're basically still doing genetic experimentation after all these years. That's what he says.

They're still trying to. With no real quantifiable data, by the way. They have got a bunch of noise, but don't know what to do with it. This looks like the next evolutionary step for reasons. Trust me, bro. For reasons, dude. We have a question here. What do you imagine you're looking for emotionally?

In our understanding, imagination is based on emotion. And our imagination only spans what we mentally can create. We understand that we cannot become like you because of our evolutionary processes, but the ideal that we move towards is physical procreation and an expression of oneness through physical contact, not just through mental or spiritual contact. So again, it sounds like these brain things that don't have real experience and tangibility seeking that within a place that's riddled with only emotions, tangibility and heart and feeling and opportunities for that, right?

The hurt, all of it. So we have a question here that we have heard that your females wish to learn once again how to nurture and love children and that they're viewing humans in order to learn this. And Hiron says that in our history, we created a separation between children and adults that grew very wide until we no longer knew how to reach out and cradle them in our arms. Often the female Zetas will choose to run the maternity section of our hybrids. So they do have females. They do, but there's no distinction, polarity-wise or genetically.

So it's just what they choose. It's what they identify as. That's what they identify as. That sounds familiar. It does, doesn't it? Don't a lot of these themes of this like coercion, this gray everything, nothing different, all of those themes, these are them scaled out. These are them pushed out. And now the ideas themselves are like, oh, a little too far.

We're going to come back. So is it chicken or the egg? Like if it's us from the future or some future evolutionary version of us, but they're coming back to influence us to become like them, even if it's unintentional, you know? How I'm seeing this is it's all happening at once. no past present or future. It's just you and I are here now, doing the thing now, and we're just new versions of ourselves for a time, if you want to say time. And that what they're doing is they have access to across the Mobia strip. They can see it. And we can see them allegedly also. Like there is this noticeability, this quantum entanglement, if you want to say that, that what happens

now, retro causality affects them. And so as they interact with us, it affects them. And what we do affects them and then what they do affects us. I saw a weird thing the other. I saw a weird thing the day too that said your present self and your present actions affect your past. Yes. If you're talking about time is non-linear, that does make sense. And that's retro causality. And then you get into the Mandela effects and shit like that. Yes.

Which is by them affecting, by us noticing is that us all shifting these timelines, kind of merging them all together and abolishing the old, which meant that there are no other of those options available, right? So you just switch the timelines together. We ran every simulation possible. Now we're reaching towards the singularity. that's what it feels like, these collapsed of simulation timelines. That is what it feels like, yeah.

He said that this is with the thought that certain maternal instincts they once had would be reactivated if these chicks just sort of like stimulated them by being around these little weird babies. He said, so far, though, there's no change in the feeling. They all have sort of the Casey Anthony postpartum thing or they don't want anything to do with it, but they feel like they are obligated to. He said, that's why we're so honored by your agreement to help us remember how to nurture these children. And that is what they talk about a lot in these cases is women are just asked to hold these babies. They're like, will you just hold this weird fucking baby for us for a little bit?

They're like, okay. We have no paternal or maternal instincts. Hold this thing. And a lot of women will. They're like, man, it was disgusting, but I felt so much love for it. Like, there's this innate desire for them to be nurturing. Like, think about the chicks with those ugly dogs, right? They're like, those pitiful dogs with the no skin or the no hair and their teeth hanging

and the tongue hanging out of the mouth. I believe that's called oxytocin. Is that right? A chemical interaction when you have a baby that makes you go, oh, I love it. I have to protect it. It's weird. And even though they're like nursing mothers of goats or something, they'll take care of another baby even though it's not their own. It's pretty bizarre.

But that just, and they recognize that in humans. He said that your civilization is teaching us how to love in a way that we have not experienced for a millennia. So again, looking at us from across this time of if the libs had their way scaled out to the world that they get, which is that. He said, when we create fetuses of your race and ours, please do not think that. that we are callous or cold. These fetuses are the forefathers of a new race. They just spent so long saying, we don't have feelings,

but please don't think of us as callous or cold. Please do not project your feelings that we are where you have onto us. And why would you give a shit if we did that, right? Why would you care? Because you don't have that. Would that make you offended? Yeah, oh, the bother you?

I really doubt it. I could throw you in fire and you wouldn't give a shit, right? He said that a new race that's supposed to be a part of it. of both of us and we cannot express to you what this means to us. The only way we could measure the feeling would be through our level of curiosity, and there is a high level of curiosity with the creation of the hybrid babies. This is why, in some of the work we do with your race,

females and males are brought to give love to these infants like we talked about. He said that we understand because they are part human, they need human tenderness and love. We're not capable of giving this to them, so we invite humans aboard for two purposes, to give love to these children and to teach us about love. Not one of them saying stop snatching people up and doing this. Why would they care about giving the children love, though?

If you're that sterile and clinical, you'd be like the baby will be fine without love, it will grow up and be a logical being, you know? And they did do that, and that's why they found it didn't work at all. Like they had no productivity, they have no new ideas, they have no desire really to do anything.

It just, again, it's not out of emotion or empathy. It's out of utility. Now it's out of utility. We found it better if we give them this weird love thing. Okay. Because it's needed. They watch us and they go, oh, well, the moms hold babies and they do great. The moms that leave their babies in rooms screaming, they grow up to be serial killers and, you know, all of that.

Huh, that's interesting. Maybe if we just had them hold our babies, we'd have a higher success rate because they did a lot of this thought. I like that they think that that'll be enough. Mm-hmm. Like, just hold the baby and then it'll grow up not a psychopath. Right. Or it'll be way more of a psychopath because it has these vague memories. of being held by a mother and then grew up with Roger from American Dad.

I'm curious about the real studies on this. I mean, I know that we're sort of getting a nine out of ten dentist type of thing, and you don't talk about the other hundred dentists you didn't mention that thought this was a bad idea, and you're only presenting this one, right? I am very curious about the outcome of that. And do they put them in sort of like a planet or in a ship where it is the different environment and all that? But they simulate it. Maybe it's like a giant flat earth.

Like it's a massive Truman show, basically, to where they have this level. and then they can raise it, almost like, again, if it's a pressure system, then you would be moving through different densities. Maybe they adjust the pressure in this thing, the density in our huge environment as we're floating to higher density. So you literally have this environment where all this can happen, but you're moving through densities as we do. And maybe this is what we're experiencing.

The yugas and the ascension and all that, is that our chamber is decompressing to a higher dimension density state that these folks are integrating. Not taking it off the table. Fuck, no. Why would you? We have a question here. so it is your premise that this breakthrough to love

will come when you've had the ability to regain chemical ability through the creation of a new physical body. They said, yes, as they work with the altered Zeta bodies, they are incorporating the simulated neurochemicals that they create in the labs from their data that they've collected from us. So all of our just memories and feelings in a little bottle, again, like Dark City. He said they then coupled this with their observations of human behavior,

I would say what we train them to see. He said the premise is that this combination of the neurochemical simulation and the observation of this behavior will trigger a neurochemical emotion response in them. All this is very well thought out. Please, Heron says again, please understand that I'm affected by years of evolution. To me, the idea of loving myself or appreciating myself for this would be a waste of energy that can be channeled to the whole. Like why it's not about me.

He said, your civilization is very, very individualized, and you do not feel very connected to the whole. He said, we, on the other hand, are like a mass mind. He said, we each have our own identity, but that identity is what motivates us in our lives. The connection to the whole motivates us, and we therefore receive all the nurturing and what you would call love through this connection. He said, we bred out our emotions because we thought we didn't need them. from our point of view, you're highly individualistic and highly emotional. But again, now he's seeing that it's a big deal. And you could say that maybe in your own life where your brain has told your heart to fall out of love with something or to hide emotion or to say that's not valuable or important because it makes me too vulnerable.

And maybe a mind sits with that for long enough and becomes these things. And then now it's maybe gotten a chance to change its mind a little bit, you know, and open its heart a little bit, right? I like it. You said that they're like the brain cells and we might, you know, be the heart cells. But that would make sense why they always talk to us telekinetically, right, through the brain. And what are they? Yeah, is there miles never moved. And where does telekinesis come from? In the movies, it's always they show the eyes and the brow, right? Because that's where it's coming from because you can't see the mouth movement. All they use their little weird slip mouse for for sucking up peas anyway. So. Right, right. So we'll wrap this up here. He said that we have a question.

here that there seems to be so much difference between us that I still wonder why you're so interested in Earth. This is from an audience member. Heron said for several reasons. He said, you're approaching that point that we were a very long time ago when we moved from this point to the creation of cataclysmic changes on our planet. He said, you don't have to take that route. You have a choice. And this is a time for you to make that choice. It's also a perfect time for us to interact with you because the chemical you are secreting will also stimulate or parallel the chemical that we were secreting in the same circumstances. So they're just manufacturing it or trying to like reverse engineer it.

Yeah, because he's seeing that it's important in us and where we are. And also they're monitoring our direction from our neurochemicals, which is very interesting. So that tells way more than our actions and behaviors because neurochemicals tell you long term what we are going to act like and behave like. Yeah. He said, you see, when we began our cloning process, we totally shunned our past. and we have no records of what we're like prior to that time. He said that we have no way of knowing, for example,

our indigenous chemical makeup when we could still feel emotions. I thought this was interesting too. They have no record or memory of it, even though an idea of a record or memory exists, does it really? Or did they, again, last Thursday, just pop in how they are and their job is to learn how to do bigger things like our job is to learn how to do bigger things. He said, you're the closest we can find to what we may have been.

And we're attempting to heal our past. It's that simple. There is an agreement between our species. You are teaching us about the love we supposedly have within us that we want to unlock and how not to fear our own individuality. And we are teaching you about your fears and how you can turn those fears into your strengths. Our relationship is a symbolic one, for we are part of the same whole. Harone out. Heron, Swedenborg.

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