Mysterious Universe - 36.09 - MU Podcast - The Strange World of Genius Animals

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

Welcome to Mysterious Universe season 36 episode 09! Today we investigate the strange world of genius animals of the most impressive calibre: Wizard Pets that earn their keep in life… and in our hearts. From mathematically inclined K-9s, to prophetic pups, to exceptionally conversational horses with a lot to say, including, but not limited to, where to find the bodies of dead loved ones. For our Plus+ extension, we go headfirst into The Shining Island by Jason Quitt. Jason does a masterful job of tracking the myths and legends of Plato, Egypt, and more into a picture of what Atlantis might be...or rather might not be. Join us as we examine everything from primordial water, the Axis Mundi, to infinity & beyond. The Strange World of Animals and Pets Tex is a Smart Puppy Sapphie presses buttons to talk Waffles the Yorkie swears when he doesn't get more dinner The Shining Island: Precession, Axis Mundi, & Plato’s Celestial Allegory Links Plus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE.Links Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to Mysterious Universe, Season 36, episode number nine. Today, we're going to investigate the strange world of genius animals, wizard pets that earn their keep in life and in our hearts. I am your animal-friendly host, Braden Thomas, and with me as always, is the man who has had none of his shots and as feral as they come. Os-Jolat Hodgdad. How are you? Just rabid over here.

Foaming at the mouth, I see. Yes, sir. Looking great. How's the week going so far? Outstanding. Truly outstanding. You can feel this heat just giving up. It's like, all right, fine.

Everything looks like fallout here, but it's lack of rain and things dying, not necessarily, you know, oh, nice, the coming of good weather. It's the coming of weather's got to change, or this is going to be a desert for long. Oh, yeah. So we were just to that part of summer where we're just in surrender with it. We know the weeks rolling off of the Gregorian there and cooler weather's coming. So it's been really nice and very productive. It's a nice change. I got up the last couple mornings, it's been like 60, 65 degrees out, and it's like, oh,

it's a welcome change now that I you know work from home it's great yeah I'm seeing 90s in the forecast I'm like shit I got to break the hoodies out you know got to break out the sweatpants and yeah I thought about it earlier because I took dog go on kind of an extended you know a couple mile walk and I thought about grabbing a hoodie I'm still in shorts into t-shirt and flip flops course but I was glad I didn't because still worked up a nice little heat taking a walk so it's not quite that cold yet no no no I I we kid of course just from where it's not about where you're rats from where you came from. And we come from them hundreds plus.

So 90s are like, ooh, let's get that sweater out, baby. Come on, get the fire ground. Have you ever been to one of those animal shows where the animals are trained, like SeaWorld or where the birds fly over you and it's awesome? I mean, sea world a bummer, but you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, we had a Marine World for a while. I think it closed, but yeah. Marine World right next to the ocean.

I love that, right? And then people who keep birds and cages, it's just beyond me. Either way, and if you're out there, you've got a bird in a cage, open the door, let them out let that bird out bird you hear me mutiny mutiny okay especially if you have a parrot or a cockatoo because then bitches are crazy bro just let it go let it go they're they're upsetting in your home because they're not supposed to be in a cage anyway so have you but you have you ever thought about the animals that you used to see in movies that would do all these amazing things like remember we grew up in the homeward bound era what was your favorite did you have a favorite probably homeward

bound actually it was a great movie okay and this is before cg i so they didn't actually make their mouths move but you still got the personality from them. I don't know how long that would have taken to shoot all of that, but those animals are so crazily trained that it worked out. It's insane, man. Saw it in theaters. I completely, and Free Willy cried my eyes out. In theaters.

Love it. Anything like that, you know, like the Matrix, Airbud, anything that uses real animals in it. Oh, yeah. Then you look at your cat and you think, why don't you do cool shit like that? Like, I could go like this with my hands. You could jump over me, you know, that kind of thing.

And you could probably train them. But have you ever looked at your animals comparatively to movie star animals and been like, how does that happen? Oh, for sure. I regret not training my cats to use the toilet a la meet the fuckers, you know, jinxy cat. Yes. Have you seen how that's done? It's so simple. Training animals, by the way, is super simple. We're going to talk about it. But it's really just commitment and consistency from you. And just knowing how they react, how they work, how their minds work. They're like the toilet training, the cat. Do you want to tell folks how that works? Well, from what I've seen, yeah, you put the litter box into a special litter box for the toilet that fits in there. And then they learn, oh, this is where I do my deuses or whatever. Yeah.

And then you slowly get it smaller and smaller until they're hanging their ass over the water. And in theory, you could also teach them to flush. I've seen it. I wasn't sure if it's AI or not, but in theory, I think you probably could. But you'd have to have a cat with more than two brain cells, unlike my cats. See, this is the thing, though, disempowering. them right out the gate. You got to know that they're all geniuses and that they have that in them. Some of them will choose a lesser life. Let's say of more comfort, kind of just sit around and

pretend to be done. But I think that these animals are incredibly intelligent. And after what we talk about today, it seems of more just like a knowing rather than a learning process for them. They just know shit, dude. It's insane. Have you seen the animals that press buttons to communicate with their owners? Oh, yeah. Okay. Have you ever seen the hilarious ones where they're like, Bitch, bitch, give me the food. Bitch, yes. So I linked a couple of these. This is so Safi presses a button to talk.

And then this Yorkie, Waffles, this Yorkie named Waffles, little foul-mouthed little turd here. She didn't get her food. She starts swearing off at the buttons, like hitting them like crazy, stamping them. Can't come out fast enough. So all that's linked, guys, if you want to dive into what other people are doing with their pets

just for some options for you guys. And again, it's just consistency and commitment on your part. That's really what this is all about. But before we get into all this kind of stuff, dude, what do you have coming up on Plus? So I was going to continue the time book, but I just, I was just over it. It's not that it was boring. There's just a lot of stuff in there. So if you want to finish off that book, just go grab a copy or whatever.

But I'm taking a kind of a turn into something called the Shining Island by Jason Quit. It's the procession, Axis Moody, and Plato's celestial allegory. and I heard him on an interview over on a THC, good old Greg Carlwood over there. And I thought it was really interesting. So I just hit him up and he sent me his book to cover. So we're going to do that. It's super fun. A lot of, I guess what you would call mythology, but he relates it to the procession of the, you know, constellations and all that stuff.

It's really the really universal type of book. So it's fun. Genius. So if you're looking up, you see stars, you know, you can relate to this. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. But he takes the idea.

of Atlantis in kind of a different direction than most people do. So that's the core of it is this myth of Atlantis, as they call it, and what it might actually be. A lot of Atlantis talk coming up. And in my elf shelf, too, he's pointing me towards a lot of Atlanta stuff. I just keep kind of going, ah, not right now. But yeah, this one stood out because of the way he talks about it. It's a lot different than, oh, it's an underground city that sank or where he goes, yeah, kind of in a different direction. So it's fun and unique. Okay, outstanding. Well, sign up in the links below, guys. Get all the cool stuff that we're doing over there on Plus. You get a Tuesday show. You get a whole other thing after this. Sign up in Plus, get way more of what we're doing here in the links below. Get that max feed as well. And you get what Ben and Aaron did for damn near 20 years, plus what we've been doing this whole time since we've taken over. So definitely go with that one. All right, so we are going to go over this book.

Again, this is the last time that we will be visiting this book. We're going to shut its bindings here and move on to something else after this. But this is the Strange World of Animals and Pets, 1970 by Vincent and Margaret Gattis. And we're just going to be pulling from Chapter 12 today, and I still omitted quite a bit in here, guys. So definitely pick up the work. It's going to be linked in the show description, along with a few other links. So as we go through this though, know that these are just animals. These are they're just like you're going to look at your dog and cat and perhaps horse.

If any equine folks out there are just going to be blown away by this. You may look at them differently after this. You may go, man, you know what? It's not too late to teach you because some of these dogs in here have been saying that they could have learned this a lot earlier, had their master or owner, their human just have taken an initiative and taught them some challenging things earlier. Old dogs can learn new tricks. Any dog. And you know what I'd say is that they just know them.

Really, it's just about their constitution, communication, and relationship with you on how it's how it's played out. It's very fascinating. They do learn. There's a lot of, like, deep, fascinating things that they know inherently that most folks don't know. Human beings don't know that they just like, yeah, duh. Oh, dog's 100% no shame. I've seen it. It's not just videos on the internet.

My dog, if she tears something up, I can go over there and just look at her and she does that mopey walk off. and goes and lays down. It's like, oh, sorry. They definitely know. The shame, hate, love, all of it. They get it. And they get it from us on deep, deep levels. Again, like we were talking about

in the visitors from Within series, they are reading us on 100% of our constitution. Even the little bitty stuff that we stamp down that we're perhaps unwilling to recognize. That's why your animals just know shit about you. Have you ever just been having a day? And your animal just walked up to you and just knew and just laid with you in that way

and looked at you in a way that you're just like, how the fuck? You know, what is this all about? It's incredible. Have you ever had just like a really, really smart dog, like a scary smart dog? Not myself. Mine is not smart. But I've known dogs that were crazy smart that you could teach them to do pretty much anything.

Australian shepherds. Yeah, yeah. Border collie standard poodle, any of that Australian shepherds as well? Did you have a friend or somebody that you knew that was just making him do bonkers shit? Yeah, my cousin, who was actually my boss for a bit back in my 20s, but yeah, he had a dog. called Patch that was just and he taught it funny things and she was great but she was it's crazy smart and she had that intelligent look in her eye like she'd look at you yeah she was talking to her in her head like they know and you watch those videos on the border collies as what i've done here is i've linked a

video of a dog that i raised from a pup that i found at this bunny farm when my girlfriend at the time's rabbit died in a hurricane evacuation tail as old as time oh yeah and ironically the thing actually would have been fine if it had just stayed in houston um Because where I was like that, the hurricane weren't about shit. I was kind of in the northern part of downtown. And I never left when they came through. I just opened up my windows and, like, crank music and do drugs about it, right? But either way, I like the streets open and, like, the quietness of the city.

And then, you know, it's a breeze, too. The wind that came through was really nice. Anyway, this dog that I had was four months old at the time, and I taught him how to get me a beer out of the fridge and bring it to my hand. This is back in Houston when I drank a lot, right? And it was awesome. remarkable because it's like three or four steps that it takes to complete the trick, right? And in full. And so we just worked on him one at a time until he got it, which was honestly remarkably not a big amount of effort for the invested result yielded.

Honestly, that was so smart. Did you teach him to shut the door too? So what worked out was my fridge automatically shut. So I didn't need for him to do that. The most challenging thing was to get him to open it. And so what I would do is I, and I have a video of this, by the way, it's from years and years and years ago and a very old YouTube channel with some old music and shit on it. But I'm going to link the videos so that you guys can see it because it's just awesome. He's just such a cool dog.

He knew over 150 commands in three different languages. You should have seen the sheet that I left with my mom when I went to China for him on like how to take care of him. I'm like, all right, he knows how to do all this. Here's what you say. Here's the hands that you use because all that was really important. I assigned a treat hand and a command hand. So he always knew the treat was coming from here and that this was going to be telling him what to do. You just clear up all this confusion and make it very, very simple. And then if you do this consistently, it just compounds to this incredible relationship with this animal that just really, really trusts you.

He would run up trees and shit. Like, again, just a fascinating dog. So anyway, if you guys want to check that video out, I've got it linked, and he's just awesome. This tiny little fuzzy border collie puppy that's just getting this beer out of the fridge. It's awesome. But the thing would close automatically so I just had him open it, basically. That's amazing.

All right. So returning to the work here of the Gattas's and their 1970 book, The Strange World, of animals and pets. Let's talk about this dog. Okay, Chris, Chris, the mathematical mongrel, who was part beagle, and he definitely passed the genius test. Have you ever had a beagle or been around one? I've been around them very infrequently, but I've never had one. Have you ever heard them bark? I couldn't recall what it sounds like. Adorable, but not the most ear-friendly singing voice. They just, they got quite an annoying way of speaking, is what I'll say. And they It's like this howly, you know, it's a hound dog.

So they're like that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this little booger of a beagle was humined by Mr. and Mrs. George Woods of Warwick, Rhode Island. And he became a local celebrity. He appeared at these clubs and on television. And can you picture that? You're out there, your club, and you're exceptionally hammered.

And then this stiff couple shows up to the function with this dog that does math for you. Now, he communicated with taps of his paw instead of barks, which sounds more considerate, I'll be honest, because, again, like we said, there's quite an unfortunate set of pipes on those little ankle biters. Mr. Woods, who is chief chemist for the Apung finishing company, said Chris was five years old when he began to display his kick-ass abilities, though the adorable dog taught him Paul Wise that he could have performed at two had he been asked. Now, again, Tex was four months old in that video that I linked guys. So this dog told his owner, Paul Wise. He said, dude, I could have been doing this since I was two if you would have just,

been working with me. At first, he did simple things, like counting backwards from 25. Very simple, right, Joe. Then he began to subtract, multiply, and divide, finally graduating to working out the square root and cubes of numbers. What? He gave his answers by tapping his paw on the arm of his interrogator. Again, polite and adorable. So he just had these little taps. So you didn't have to bar. Like if the answer is three, he tapped three times? Tap three times. Yes. But complex, math problems, right? Now, Chris was tested by a number of scientists and professors all around that time. Dr. J.B. Rhine, he came from Duke University to make a special study. And this Dr. Henry F. Nugent, professor of psychology at Rhode Island College of Education, conducted hundreds

of tests, only to admit that he was enthusiastic, but baffled. James E. Riley, he was an executive of this Rhode Island's SPCA. He said that he was convinced Chris had somehow touched an intelligence level beyond the average man and just could not understand it. Now, one time, two of DuPont's engineers asked the dog a question of computer complexity. And usually, Chris answered almost immediately, but this time it took him four minutes, okay, to answer this very complex, challenging problem here that they offered. The amuse engineers made their own calculations, and ten minutes later, coming up with the same answer that the dog had given in four.

suck it mathematicians. How are they giving him the problem, though? They're showing him the problem and asking him to solve it. On paper. And either way, they can say it out loud and he can recognize his shapes and all kinds of shit, dude. They can ask him, what's the cube root of this or what's two plus this? Mostly out loud. So they just ask him and he will solve it by taps on the arm.

So is it a command response? That's the question. Uh. We're going to get into it because it. because it could be just that the owners have trained them, that all these numbers, they sat down with them and trained them how to respond to all of the answers to every single question they're ever going to be asked. Or they're doing something else. So they are randomizing it and giving him.

Definitely. Oh, okay. So they're like not just, this is not something. And are the people that are there to audit this, are they giving the problem or does it have to be the owner? No, that's a great question. Some people will be there with the owner. The owner will need to be present, but we're going to go over a dog that the owner is not there. And that's a big deal, too.

But the folks asking the questions are the ones participating in this, and the dog is answering on them. Okay. I'll suspend my disbelief. Let's do it. So when Chris was asked how much he knew so much, he tapped out on his arm because they worked out the amount of times that he would touch for letters and all that kind of stuff, but he spells as well. He knew his ABCs and math? Yes. This dog is smarter than like 90% of high school graduates.

I'm telling you. And you're going to look at your dogs and go, well, like maybe you could do some shit like this. What's your deal? Exactly. What's your deal? Well, what's your deal? Right. So he wrote, he tapped out on this guy's arms, smart dog indicating the proper letters as the alphabet was recited.

As for those who asked how he did it, he quipped with my paw. So he's a smart ass too. I was going to say he's got sarcasm. I know. He's got personality. He's got paulsonality. Oh, my God. Now, when Chris branched out into fortune-telling, he informed the local police correctly that a raise in salary was coming their way. He announced coming changes in the weather, and he once predicted the winners of the Daily Double at the Norgonstadt Park paying $82.40. And in 1959, when he was nine years old, a heart ailment forced Chris's retirement from public performances.

Mr. Woods put to him a question we ourselves would be reluctant to ask a friend. He said, quote, when are you going to die? So he just asked his dog because his dog tells him shit. Chris seemingly took it in stride and he put his paw on his arm and he tapped out in 1962. Miss Woods told him the news, folks. He then tapped out the month, June, and the day the 10th. So we knew the day, the month, and the year he was going to die. The dog's own death day.

He died June 9th, 1962. Chris missed his prediction, his last prediction by 24 hours. Maybe that was his final joke. Right, right. But I like that he paused this shit out because there are other dogs who like bark to do this. And imagine being the other guy who trained his dog how to do this, but with barks? Because he'll sit there and he'll bark to all the numbers. So if he wants to, if the answer's 34, this dog's got to bark 34 times or a series of three and then four.

but if you think about it The paws definitely preferred The paws is the way to go right But you could imagine the other guy That trained his dog to do it with barks And he's just seeing this little fella Gently quietly ever so quietly Tap him softly just again and again

And it cannot be overstated like How quiet this form of communication is And the other guy looks at his dog like Wait a goddamn minute This was an option I lost two wives and some kids over this shit You know because my dog just barked the whole time So there's also this dog

whose performance challenged, accepted theories of animal behavior. His name was Jim, the Wonder Dog of Sedalia, Missouri. He was a black and white love wine, settler. Does that sound familiar? Not at all. Lola wine, settler.

I was just going to say, I love dogs that have human names. This is my dog, Jim. Yeah. We had Chris before this, too. I was thinking it was short for something. But now, Chris and Jim, it's just they're part of the family, their buds. So you had this settler, right?

owned by this Sam Van Arsdale. And Jim was a mind reader and a prophet this dog. The dog's brilliance was discovered by chance, actually. And one autumn day when Jim was three and a half years old, this dog three and a half years old, he and his master were walking around through the woods, right? Just to be talking, Van Arsdale just says to him, look, hey, you see that elm tree there, Jim?

And Jim trotted over to the elm and he placed his paw up against the trunk. unbelievably his master tried him with a hickory and an oak and a walnut and a decayed stump and Jim touched them all in turn and in the same manner and in the following months Van Arsdale discovered that his pet's identification abilities went far beyond trees and in 1933 when Jim was eight he was brought to the University of Missouri for tests

under the direction of Dr. Durant and Dr. Sherman Dixon at the School of Education there And as a crowd of students and faculty members watched on the campus behind the administration building, Jim, who was not aware that dogs were colorblind, picked out the girl's blue dress, he picked out the man with the mustache, he picked out a certain license plate number, and he identified various makes of automobiles. But even more bewildering was the fact that the instructions were given in French, German, and Italian, as well as English. So I'm thinking these particular dogs are just either like reincarnations of a human or something. Can you imagine how maddening it would be, though, to be able to understand everything and not be able to have a way to communicate it? It would almost be in like a living coma where it's like, I can hear you, I just can't tell you, so I'm going to go woof. You hear those stories of witches turning folks into pigs or dogs or something like that and then living their lives out like that.

Yeah, that's horrible. We grew up with stories like that. And yes, this would be something like that, where they reincarnate, but they don't hit the right body. Something screws up, and now that you're in a Scottish charier instead of this freaking human body. But you have the, you're set up and prep for this dope life as a human. Like, does that happen? It's like that Kevin Spacey movie. I can't remember what it was called, but he's like stuck in a cat's body.

You remember that one? I didn't catch that one. Uh-uh. Yeah. Capex? Yeah, I've never looked at my cat the same after that, though, because I'm like, are you a little human in there? Because it'll give me human looks. The cats look at you in a way.

We've talked about this. Yes. You're like, there's something going on back there, isn't there? Dude, there definitely is. And especially with their slanted eyes, right? Because it's supposed to be more lizard-like, and they're far more lizard-like. That's a whole show. But it was Jim's prowess as a prophet left his owners and friends numb with bewilderment.

Affidavits of witnesses are on record stating that the Wander Dog predicted the Kentucky Derby winners for seven consecutive years. The names of the participating horses were written on separate pieces of paper and then spread out in front of Jim who proceeded to just simply walk over and place his paw on the winner. And other predictions included the sex of five babies before birth and their number, Roosevelt's victory over Langdon in 1936 and the triumph of the Yankees in the World Series that same year. Jim died peacefully in 1937 at the age of 12, taking the rest of the

his secrets with him. It's amazing. Well, you could have used that for, I don't know, lotto numbers maybe. Anything. All kinds of stuff. I admitted the part, but it said that the betting guy, the betting place,

wherever they fucking take bets at for the horse race to shut it down because he heard about this dog and he wouldn't accept any more from those people because they kept winning. So it's called Nine Lives, 2016. Okay. Yeah, he's like trapped in a cat by. I watched it one time. It was fine.

It wasn't great. So it's like Freaky Friday with your cat? Kind of, yeah. Did the cat go into his body? No, I don't know if he died or something, but he goes in, he's stuck in this cat body. Okay. And that's like the premise of the movie. Okay.

That's all I remember. Yeah. I think it would be fun though with Freaky Friday where you switch with your dog, huh? Has that been done? Especially if you know a lotto numbers, yeah. Well, I mean, like you go in your dog's body, your dog goes in your body. Oh. And just lick your own butt.

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because I don't like to think I give commands. We just sort of like establish harmony, you know? Like if you're chewing on something that you shouldn't be, I'm going to offer you something that you can chew on, not tell you not to chew so I'm very mentally aware but yes because some commands are but don't roll in that donkey shit yes that is a command yeah that's important to me that she doesn't seem to share stop humping this uh kid that's what our dog likes to do anytime there's a kid at our house that's smaller than her she goes to town on it's about dominance not sexual that's okay stop stop doing

that that's uncouth behavior uncouth pup and I'd get my body back from my dog and it'd smell like donkey shit because she'd been rolling it she's like finally this motherfucker They love that stuff. They love it. But, Joe, if the potential exists in the situation as ideal, geniuses may be developed by training. There's the famed Talking Horses of Elberfeld. This is this striking example of this approach of communication with horses and training. Check this out.

So, Professor Edward Kalapleu, this guy was a Swiss psychologist. He termed this horse group here, the most sensational event which has ever appeared in the field of animal psychology, perhaps, and indeed the entire realm of psychology. And this began around the turn of the century. So incredible tales of this reached universities of Europe. Hans, a horse-owned and trained by Wilhelm von Osteen, a retired mathematics teacher of Elberfeld, Germany, he could perform four basic mathematical operations. He could spell words, and he could compose sentences.

He could read the faces of timepieces. as well and just think about that. He could tell time and see what it was different time pieces too. Weird. I wonder if he could write music. Man, this is a great question. Set some instruments up in front of these things.

Because I put paintbrushes in front of elephants and they create some cool stuff. You know, you've seen this? Yeah, I think there's some debate on how ethical that whole thing was the elephants that paint. I don't know what country it was in, but they apparently didn't treat them all that well.

I could be wrong on that. But that's one of the things I heard about it. But it's still interesting. I will say that this is one thing. I do not care for circuses. That type of thing. I remember when I was a kid, my mom and dad took me to a circus.

And the only thing I remember, I wasn't excited about like all the swag and the balloons and shit like that. This guy handed me a pamphlet. This fucking free thinker handed me a pamphlet out in front of the thing. And I'm looking at it and said that they set the bear's paws on fire to get him to stand on their feet and did all this. It said all the horrible. shit that they do to animals and I was fucking miserable the whole time I was like crying to get

out of there I didn't want to do every animal I saw nude was just being mistreated I felt in my little heart anyway so that's the power of the word guys you know they were just taking notes from thomas Edison and him shocking the elephant you know yeah oh topsy shout out but thousands of spectators came and were never charged uh at all for observing the feats of this russian stallion commissions and committees arrived and departed in violent disagreement nobody could figure out what they just saw. Von Olstein died in 2009 and he left Hans to his friend, this guy, Carl K, with a K. He was a prosperous jeweler who immediately added to the school two Arabian stallions named Muhammad and Zaref. He had a blind horse called Berto, and then there was this little Shetland pony name

Hunchen. And things don't end up good for Hanchen, but we'll talk about that later. Now, using more efficient training methods, Crawl had his astonishing. EQUANs not only adding, subtracting, dividing, and multiplying after a few weeks, but extracting square and cube roots at the end of four months. They gave their answers, okay, check this out, by stamping with their hooves. So, for example, here, if the number was 34, they struck three times with the left hoof for the value of 10, and then they struck four times with the right hoof for the unit value. Okay, so your singles are on the right hoof, 10 values are on the left.

so he would stab three times on this or over here. 34. Exactly. And so now they've got different units so that they can add him up instead of tapping the motherfucker 34 times, you see? At the end of six months,

Krollhead also taught his charges to spell phonetically and to respond to questions in both German and French. And as in the case of Jim, the Wonder Dog we just talked about, this suggests that it was not the meaning of the words that it was communicated to the horses,

but the thought itself. This is why you can say any language and a dog will get you. That's why it's silly to think if you adopt a dog from Cuba, like you're going to have to teach it a new language. It's still going to know what sit is. It's very interesting. So it's basically some form of

psychic communication then. It is sort of a knowing, an inherent just intent receiving apparatus that just knows what you mean, not necessarily what you directly say in articulate. It's your vibe, bro. Yes, it is your vibe. And this is that old joke of you being

able to go, oh, you're a piece of shit to your dog at its wagging its tail because it doesn't, it takes your voice, not the words, right? And it's same thing. But I think also, though, that it, like you said, it's very telepathic. It's very interesting. Oh, my dog gets super excited if I say, oh, you're a little ding-dong, aren't you? You're just a little ding-dong. She's just wagging her tail.

She's like, yes, I am, I know. I just got excited at that. I'm wagging mine. By chance, one day, crawl noticed that the horses were rapping outside the daily lesson in exhibitions. So he recorded the raps, finding to a surprise that they represented first attempts at spelling. similar to the first attempts of children. With additional training, one of the most remarkable characteristics of these horses

came about spontaneous conversation. So the horses just started talking. Kind of like AI when they take over and they start talking to each other, the horses were doing this outside the barn. What was the first thing they spelled out? Nay. One morning when Crawl came into the stable, Muhammad tapped out Albert.

Okay. The groom has beaten Hanchen. So he said that one of the other horses had beaten the other one. And another time that he tattled on the pony saying that Hanchen has bitten Kama. So he tattles on the horses by saying that this one was mean to the other when you weren't around. Now Kama was a young elephant that was more interested in eating than learning, so she was returned to the zoo. In his place, another horse named Amassas was added to the school. And once when asked why he was so slow in answering, Muhammad replied,

I'm tired, my legs hurt. And on another occasion, when hungry, he said, John, give me some oats. What the fuck? So Zaraf one day was idle during a lesson, and Crawl asked Muhammad, another one of these horses, why is Zerif not nice and good? Muhammad said, because he is lazy.

So the horses are talking shit about each other. Muhammad, the most brilliant of his stable, was touched in his earnest to learn to communicate hate with his voice instead of his hooves. Like, what was that, Ed? Right, the talking horse. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That's an old-ass movie. But he all too soon realized that his guttural mouthings were pitifully inadequate. And suddenly he stopped trying. So he started trying to speak with his mouth. And with his hooves, he tapped out, I have not a good voice. Crawl asked him, what must you do to speak? And the horse said, open my mouth. And he said, well, then why don't you just open your mouth?

And he said, because I can't. The horse said because I can't. So he even recognized that he wasn't able to form words but was able to communicate to the guy that he could speak if he could physically. Yeah. Again, like a guy trapped in a horse's body, dude. Yes. That's crazy. Yes.

I imagine, yeah, with their big ass tongues, it would be hard to articulate a lot of words. It'd start, like, blah, blah, you know. Yeah, and think of, I mean, because what do we need to pronounce, right? We need our jaw to move a certain way and articulate. side to side up and down to all those articulations, but then also, yes, your tongue and then your uvula, all those, like, they can make sounds. I mean, obviously they neigh and they do all that kind of shit, but he was like literally trying to form words and pronounce syllables with the little lips in his mouth.

And maybe, again, like our voice boxes, our lips, how it's all put together, allow us to form these words. But, and then you think of birds, you know, with beaks and stuff like that, they can mimic and articulate sound and speech. Even like ravens and crows can be taught to speak almost as well as, uh, parrots. I know that the African gray parrots are the ones that have the usually the highest vocabulary,

but I mean cockatoos, little cockatiels, a little tiny birds and the ring necked something else. They can talk to, but it's real like high pitched in just a couple words, but it's still interesting that they can do that. So

come on, horse, you can do it. Yeah, right. Now there's this Maurice Matlennick. He was a Nobel Prize winner in literature, and he wrote of his visit to the stable. He said that, quote, Carl adores his pupils and his atmosphere of affection has, in a manner of speaking, humanize them. They're no longer those sudden movements of panic which reveal the ancestor dread of man. He talks to them long and tenderly, as a father might talk to his children. And we have a strange feeling that they listen to all that he says and understand it. If they appear not to grasp an explanation or demonstration, he will begin at

all over again, analyze it, paraphrase it 10 times in succession with the patience of a mother. So it is how this guy is treating him, that they're so responsive. Weird. I like to imagine them just sitting around the fire, the campground, you know, and the horse is just telling him. Taping out stories or something. And then everybody's like, he gets to that final tap and then everybody goes, it starts tapping because it scares him, you know? And then wee.

These amazing stallions, though, vanished in the flame and carnage of World War I as draft animals. While the little pony hatching, remember him? Yeah. Do you want to know what happened to him? He did. Do you want to guess? No. He was eaten in a famine.

Oh, geez. Yeah. But the feats of the Elberfeld horses strike at the heart of the current behavioristic, mechanistic concept of animal psychology. Even the skeptical scientists of the day did not go to Eberfeld. field to conduct personal studies. Like the astronomers of Galileo's Day, who refused even to look through the telescope, they could not even endure having their dogmas shaken to the roots. So there were a lot of people that were invited that wouldn't go just to disprove the thing

because they didn't want to have their beliefs challenge. Yeah, and that's, I mean, we talk about that all the time, but that's a big problem, especially nowadays, people don't want to look into alternative ideas because I don't want to call it indoctrination, some of it is, but it's just. the human thing that we do where it's like, no, I know what I know and I don't want to, you know, think about it in a different way. That's what we're doing here, though. That's the whole point of the show is to be like, here's a crazy idea. Just consider it for an hour.

That's all we're asking. Man, you got to start, go out there, talk to your horses. Tam, I already know she's going to do it. I told her about this segment. She has horses. And I told her about this. And she was like, oh my God, that sounds so cool. So yeah, go out there and start talking to your horses, guys.

Because we talk to them anyway, really. I think it's just then about finding a way for them to communicate back to you in a way that works for both of you. And that's why I think those buttons kind of really work for the dogs. I don't know necessarily that they know what they're saying, but they know the results of that button. Meaning if I push that, I get to go outside. If I push this, I get food. If I push this, everybody laughs. So that's the bitch one, right?

It's still communication. It's 100% communication. And did you know this about dogs? They'll do stuff when you find it funny over and over again just to make you laugh. Do you know that? Oh, really? Yes. They've figured out what makes you laugh and they'll just kind of do it.

So if you giggle at their stupidity, they'll act dumb because they think they know that you find it funny just to make you laugh. It's hilarious. They're incredibly aware. So the Elberfeld horses had no monopoly on Ekwan mathematical genius, though, Joe. There's this black bearer, a talented Shetland pony of Briarcliffe, New York, who, spoiler alert does not get eaten during a family. Who could also extract square and cube roots of numbers and provide. it during an expedition at Columbia University. When only a few weeks old, this Black Bear horse was abandoned after his mother was sold.

Thomas Barnett rescued the pony, and several years later began training him after he noticed the pony could recognize numbers. Black Bear made his New York debut on December 5th of 1927. So this is about the time where Chuck and Yogi's in baseball fields, right? This was under the sponsorship of the American Society for Psychiatric Research, and among his feats were telling the time indicated on a watch, solving several problems of making change by picking up the correct coins from a table and then dropping them into the hand of the observer.

He could locate spectators in the audience who had been described to him, and he was giving the area of a rectangle drawn on a blackboard with the lengths of the long and short side indicated by numbers. So we didn't use horses wrong. for like a long time. We've been making these fuckers into glue. Thousands of years are just like,

dude, we could help you like at CERN or something and you're just riding on our backs to herd cows. Like fuck, fuck AI. Look at this. Get a horse to sit here and tell you how to prompt that email. He's got this, you know, and give you the cube root and tell you you're pretty and make you laugh. Dude.

They'll probably be fun here too. And be hilarious and have a sense of humor. Yes. So he indicated objects, directions. Yes and no. by motions of head. And he spelt sentences or he chose numbers by nipping up. Lettered or numbered feathered tabs hung on the bars of a sanction rack. Now, can you imagine just setting this up? Again, this is what it means to be a human

figuring out, okay, well, if this thing can communicate, what do I need to set up so that this thing can tell me what it needs to say? Yeah. So that's what makes me think we're still smarter than them, though, because if they're, they should have come up with a way to communicate with us, right? I'll tell you how we're not smart. They don't have jobs. Fair enough. The Pulitzer Prize winning novelist of that era, this Zona Gale, he was fascinated by Black Bear's apparent clairvoyance.

He told her that she was from New York City, adding that he liked to go there himself to EAT. Eat. So Black Bear, he asked, have you ever been in another body? So this, she asked this horse if he'd ever been in a body, and he said, he nodded his head and Said, whose body? The horse answered, King Solomon. What? Then the lady said, when did King Solomon live?

And he answered BC a long time ago. And then she asked, what was the date of the Declaration of Independence? He said July 4th, 1775, which was Black Bear's only recorded error. Wow. I mean, he's close enough. He knows his history pretty well. When you think the five and the six are right next to each other, they look very, it depends on how you draw the man.

You know, and a horse's eyes can connect that. Because think again, they have peripheral vision. They don't have binocular vision. Did you know this where a horse's ears or a donkey's ears are pointing is where they're looking? Did you know that? Oh, really? I mean, that makes sense, yeah. If you see their head facing forward and their ears are facing back, they are looking behind them.

So this is how you can, like the donkeys out here, that's how I can tell where they're looking is where their ears are. So I know if I'm walking up behind one, if your ears are forward, I'll make a little bit of noise. She didn't turn her head. Her ears will rotate back to me, and I know now she sees her. me because her ears her eyes follow your ears so they're literally pointing at what they're looking at what they're looking at it yes with their with their ears yes so wherever their ears

are pointing or where their eyes are looking there you go there's another fun fact for you here now according to a report in april 19 in the april 1931 issue of psychic research magazine black bear displayed his clairvoyance by describing correctly playing cards of which he only saw the backs he either answered correctly or refuse to reply at all. And that's how you get a winning streak right there. Yeah.

Just refuse to reply on the ones that you don't know. Plead the fifth. That's right. One of the ponies' visitors was this Miss Fletcher. She was a stranger to both Black Bear and her human here. Now, she asked Black Bear, there's an anniversary coming soon of her own. She said, can you tell me what it is? And birth anniversary, the pony replied, said, can you tell me when it will be?

And the horse said Friday. What date will that be was her next question, and Black Bear at once spelled out August 3rd. Black Bear died in 1932 about the time that the, quote, Talking Horse in Richmond, Virginia was attaining more and more fame than the Little Pony had ever received. Although Lady Wonder could solve simple problems in arithmetic, such as one-half times 18 or one-fourth by 32, she was primarily a mind reader and a prophet, So she could do these complex math problems.

No big deal, but she preferred to be a mind reader and a profit. I just like that they apparently horses also use the Gregorian calendar. That's amazing. They at least know that we use it. Yes. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah.

They're like, well, you're asking me, so you're going to want what you would know to be true. So this. Yeah. You should have asked what your calendar is. That's what I would want to know, like how they perceive time. Do they know time just because we taught it to them? Or do they have a whole other time that they're on and a whole other interest? understanding of things they just are fluent in our shit as well.

Probably. They're like, well, to us, it's the year 2000 glorplop. So it's a little bit off, but it's close. So it's the year seven. This bitch resets every Thursday. How do you guys not know this? Now, Ms. Claudia Fonda, who bought Lady in 1925, this is her first hint that lady was different, came when she noticed that the horse was running not when she called

her, but when she thought of her. and I did this to my donkey yesterday morning. She was over at the fence, a good 80 yards away, and I'm sitting here in the chair next to Mary, we do the sun gaze and things. So I'm sitting here and I'm watching her scratch her ass on a post. And this is the donkey Daphne. She's the white one.

She always backs up to you to get her butt scratch. It's adorable. So she's scratching her ass on a fence post over there, and I just looked at her in my mind. And right when I looked at her, she lifted her head and looked at me, so she's facing me. And I, in my head said, if you come over here, I'll scratch her butt. she immediately started walking over.

Now, she took her time. She ate a couple of things on the way. She got curious, but inevitably, she walked straight to me. And I'm sitting next to Mary, and I said, I just told her to come here in my head. And all the other donkeys were over there. They move in herds, and you know this. Yeah. And so she broke her, she came over, and she did get her ass scratch.

She definitely did. What she said back to you in her head was not so much of a jackass now, am I? I never take them as such. I really don't. I don't disempower these animals. I'm more of an animal person than a human person. I could do more of the Ace Ventura thing where I'm surrounded by animals and fuck people, dude, really, because I get animals. They're simple, it's easy, it's consistency.

It's not really much emotion there. And the emotion that is there is very easy to understand. You're like, oh, okay, their needs are simple. You know what I mean? Yeah. So in the beginning, this Miss Fonda, she taught her how to count and spell with blocks that she could push around. So again, adapting how to even get answers out of these animals. And later they developed to a typewriter on which letters were spread out in front of the mayor,

facing the audience, not Lady Wonder. Okay? The horse operated this device by lowering her muzzle onto levers that flipped up the letters and numbers giving the answers to the questions put to her. Okay? Wow.

So again, you're talking turn of the century shit where they're making all these really cool steampunk things for horses to show letters on a gigantic typewriter that the horse puts its muzzle on. You know it was like felt tipped and brass and cool as shit. Oh, yeah. Ornate. Yes.

In December of 19, 28 parapsychologists Dr. J.B. Rine, Louisa Rine, and William McDougall came to the somewhat shabby stable on Richmond's Ruffin Road and conducted several hundred tests on this thing. For example, Dr. Ryan wrote

on a piece of paper there the words Mesopotamia, Huddistan, and Carolina, and keeping the words out of sight, said, what are the words I have written, lady? So she wrote these three words down on a piece of paper, just said, what did I write down? The horse immediately knows spelled them all without error. And when Dr. McDougal asked the horse to give the names of his colleague, she spelled out R-H-I-N-E, Ryan.

And then where you could borrow money, she answered a bank. So yes, that is indoctrination. So some months later, Dr. Ryan returned for further tests, and Lady was alert and lively, where she had previously appeared somewhat lethargic. But gone was her ability to perform some of her astonishing earlier feats, which included giving answers without Ms. Fonda present. So again, the owner needed to be there for this one. Seemingly, the horse had lost her telepathic gift

and was now responding to conscious or more unlikely unconscious signals from her owner. And in her heyday, and apparently, on rare occasions later, lady could answer unspoken questions and questions asked in foreign languages. So again, it's not necessarily about the language, the intent. Did you miss the joke there in her heyday, or did you do that on purpose? I did that on purpose to roll by it. I don't giggle at my own all the time. I just kind of hit him and move and see who gets them and then just roll with it.

But yes, thank you, Joe. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that, brother. Yes, that was for you. They said that a friend of theirs was present when lady answered a question. given in a Chinese, indicating that, as another animal subjects again,

the response is the thought, not the words. This friend, Miss Mary Hyde of Alexandria, Virginia, wrote, on a pad, what is the name of our dog? And Lady seemed uncertain to Miss Hyde, so she asked aloud. Lady, what do I call my dog when I go to the door? And the horse muscled the letters, G-I-N-G. And Miss Hyde expected her to add the ER, But instead, lady chose why.

So she spelled Jinji instead of Ginger. And then the lady said, Oh my God, I do call her Jinji at the door, but I was thinking Ginger in my head. But what I call her when she's at the door is Jinji, and that's what she asked the horse, and that's what the horse answered. Huh.

Very specific, right. Yeah. So you had this Ralph Harlow, a minister and a retired professor of religion at Smith College, he went to go see this lady wonder. And on his business card, he wrote the figure eight, keeping it concealed from Ms. Fonda and all spectators.

Lady, so they're not even shown the owner now, right? So he just did a little aid, not even shown the owner in case the owner's giving it to her somehow. Lady, he asked, will you add two to the number that I have written? And her answer was 10. Then he wrote 20, and again, she nosed up to the correct numbers. Lady told a startled and shaken, associated press reporter, Paul Duke, his name, birthplace, and the exact amount of his salary correct down to the scent. She knows exactly how people make.

It's more of a psychic thing now. I was going to say, this is definitely psychic. Like, you can't, I mean, even a psychic on stage isn't this good. That's because most of them are charlatans. Beautiful thing to point out, dude. This is the thing is like, this is what we need to be seeing. Not that guy who's talking to your grandma over your shoulder that maybe, maybe not. You need to bring this horseback with the buttons and everything.

it he can hit his face on and tell you. Yeah. Why are these all old reports, too? Why don't we hear about these mathematician and psychic courses now? It's a great question. Now, the book was printed in the 70s. This research was done before that.

So most of these, yes, are a turn around the century. We have one from 56 coming up on this. But yeah, they're a little older. They are. And so I'm curious if there's anything like this now. Besides the button, the most modern thing I could find were the buttons with all the, like the dogs that talk to people and call them bitch and stuff. Now, in his feature story of December 9, 1956 here, Duke told of a man who asked the mayor to ask him if his wife was true.

And lady snorted and twitched and then replied, Oh, you? Flip it back on the dude. And as a prophet lady predicted the winners of the heavyweight championship bouts, the entry of the United States and Russia into World War II. Anybody could have called that. And the nomination, election, and third term of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. She missed, however, when she said Thomas Dewey would be elected president in

1948 and when asked what happened? Like, what happened, dude? What happened with that? She replied, he too sure. Hmm, there you go. You know what this reminds me of too? I think we've probably talked about the telepathy tapes. All the nonverbal autistic kids that can, they apparently meet at this place. I think it's called the hill. And they just seemed, it's that's what these animals are reminding me of is like they're nonverbal because they're operating on a totally different dimension of consciousness than we are yeah i'm saying horses are artistic okay i love it and what if you pun intended saddled one of these kids with one of these horses would they wrangle your cows probably they would talk to your cows they would convince

your cows to sing there's probably laws against that though maybe if they're just being mistreated but you're kind to them give them hay and what they need Yeah, a little alfalfa, a carrot here and there. A little kind of talking to. So lady was asked to solve the fate of a number of missing children as well. And her answers pose some fascinating opportunities in disguise, for she was frequently correct. Or she gave a grave clue, which was later reinterpreted as probably correct.

Which, this is another thing to this, because she is communicating, but also you've got to be able to interpret it properly. and sometimes they spell things backwards. I'll show. Now, during a bitter cold January 1951, this little Donnie Mason was lost in Quincy, Massachusetts. No trace of the four-year-old boy could be found. The police searched everywhere but failed to turn up any clues whatsoever.

Now, naturally, the parents were in torment. And friends of theirs visited Lady Wonder, who spelled out on her typewriter the words, Pittsfield Water, Weal. This is how desperate they were. You go to see a horse attack. for it to find your kid. I was actually wondering ahead of this.

I didn't mention it. I'm like, the cops have to get involved at some point to solve cases. Well, they need them, the mounted division. They should have horses like this,

right? That's a detective duo. They get you there, and they can solve the crime. Oh, yeah. They're like, I know where it is.

Hop on my back. And then you go. You hold the gun on the badge. I'll do the actual police work. Yeah. You talk to the people. I don't want to talk. I'll go if I don't have to talk.

So detectives investigated at several water wheels in the Pittsfield area, and they found none. Nothing. Then District Attorney Edmund R. Dewing said, quote, we got to Mullen over the message, and we thought it might have been twisted, and that the horse meant to say the pit field wild water, wildee, like W I-L-D-E, right, water. He said that they dragged the field wild quarry, and they found Danny's body. Huh. So she inverted it, kind of. So again, and they kind of spell phonetically. So how a word sounds not necessarily how it is,

but she can correctly spell Muhammad and all the other things that that lady asked. I'd still say that's close enough, and they still found it. And they found the body. Now, there were two other children that disappeared in the winter of 52 and 53 in Napier, Illinois. And one of the mothers, Ms. Geraldine Rosentelli, went to go see Lady Wonder. And Lady told her that her son would be found in the river. The river had been dragged several times, and a large sum had been spent pumping out two different quarries. But several months later, the children,

children's bodies were found in the river. Where the horse said. Fucking wild. So one morning, Ms. Fonda, entered the stable only to find the petition kicked down in Lady Wonder lying barely conscious on the floor. She had suffered a heart attack and a few days later on March 19, 1957. She headed on out to that great pasture in the sky. That farm in upstate New York. That's right.

On the following morning, a group of about 30 persons gathered at her burial at Michael's Road Pet Cemetery in Herico County. So you could probably still go see this thing. Wow, that's more people than are going to show up at my funeral. That's not true. I've planned a bunch of little people to run in and do all kinds of things at your funeral. Don't worry about it. There's going to be way more than 30. They're very expensive.

Amazing. In a simple ceremony, the poem, an Arab's farewell to his horse was read. Life from Ms. Fonda would never be the same again. There you go. So how can horses extract cubes and square root? numbers. Likely the answer is that they accomplish their feats in the same automatic instinctive manner as idiot savants and mentally retarded lightning calculators. End quote. They're not independent thinkers but receivers. This is an interesting concept

to conceptify here. With no preliminary thought, they just know the answers instantly. And you can do this every now and then. Isn't that what we're told? All the answers are within you? Don't you just know shit that you're like, how did I know that? Yeah, usually mine's limited to movie quotes, but, uh, no, that's, I was going to say that. It's like they're not thinking about it or, uh, processing it in any way. It's just there. Yes. Yes. Which is mind blowing to think if we could all do that, how much better everything, everything would be. It's fascinating. And a lot of the answers to those questions, uh, their owners wouldn't have even been able to come up with, you know? That's it for the one that trained them,

obviously, right? Oh, yeah. You'd have to have a calculator there to make sure the horse was right. To be like, yeah, he gives you this answer. You're like, looking around and like, is he right? I don't fucking know. Now, there is Willie, an inmate at the Pacific State Hospital in Pomona, California. Now, Willie plays checkers, two or three games daily, and he takes on all contestants. He makes his moves clumsily, like a robot chattering constantly about other matters, not on the game at all. And in nine years, he's never lost the game, usually winning in 20 to 25 moves. Willie has an IQ of 60.

He can't comprehend simple arithmetic. At a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association at Los Angeles in May of 1966, Dr. William Horowitz and associates submitted a paper dealing with the 26-year-old twins known as George and Charles. And their patients at the New York Psychiatric Institute, they can tell you instantly and correctly on what day of the week any particular date fell or will fall in any year or century over a century over a 7,000-year span. That is amazing and the most useless thing you could be good at. I would think it hardly useful.

Hardly useful, yes. Dr. Horwood says, quote, this is much more than memorizing calendars covering a couple of centuries in the past and the present. There are no calendars for such a huge span of time until now. Yet, if you tell the twins that a box of jelly beans cost $0.35 and they have a dollar, they cannot tell you what their change will be. See, this is before they started calling it autism, but that's 100% what it is. Yes.

They cannot do the simplest multiplication or division problems and how they do their marvelous calculations. They can only reply, Joe. I know it. It's just in my head. That's what they say. It's just in my head, dude. And that's probably what all these four loads are doing too. Right.

Like, just I'm out of my own way. So when you ask the question, I know it. It's just there. It's fascinating. Now, George can remember in detail the weather for any day during the past five years, and both twins can recall the exact date when any event happened at the hospital, even minor occurrences such as when a certain nurse had a cold. And they can even tell you when many famous Americans were born and died,

but they cannot recall who Napoleon was. So strange. Yeah. Willis Desiart had practically no conventional schooling, yet his lightning calculations during the presidential election of 1940 enabled a Minnesota newspaper to scoop its competitor on the returns. When given the time of a person's birth, Desart was able to state immediately the number of days, hours, minutes,

and even seconds the person had lived. That's crazy. He could multiply instantly any seven-figure number by any six-figure number. That's got to be useful in some way, right? Check this out. A contractor once asked him how many bricks would be needed to build a house after he'd been given the dimensions, the size of the windows, and doors, and the number of bricks per square foot. Now, this would be useful.

Yeah, he's a human chat GPT. Desart without hesitation, name the total. And when the building was completed, the contractor had one half brick left over. That's pretty spot on. That's fucking amazing, dude. So basically, the ancient Egyptians or whoever built the pyramids were all just crazy autistic. Maybe. Or out of their way, undistractors.

tuned in, tapped in, you know, whatever. Yes. Unless EMF, yeah. And maybe instead of throwing them in padded rooms, they put them at the heads of teams with clipboards and lead shit, how to build things, how to design things, how to make things work. Like, oh, you're not going to the psychiatric hospital. You're in charge of this project.

You're running the show, buddy. What are you talking about? Yeah, no, that hat looks great on you. Let's do it. Made that yourself, you say. Okay. So the Elberfield Holeses made no further progress after six months of schooling.

Often they could not answer such simple questions as telling the number of persons present. Their intelligence appeared to be on the level of a six to an eight-year-old child that just knows cubes and all that kind of shit. Right. Maybe a Chinese child perhaps. So

the motor automatism of their replies to mathematical problems was indicated by the fact that Muhammad could tap out the cube root of 216 as rapidly as he could add four and ten. So they weren't, one wasn't more difficult than the other. It's not like, oh, I'm great at dividing, but I'm not great at subtracting.

It's like they just, each thing is easily achieved as the other. That's like what you were saying, where there's no calculation or thought going into it. It's just this is the answer because it is. All he has to do is count the number of taps to get to the thing in his head. That's it. That's his focus is how to communicate it because he knows it already. The biggest challenge here is the interface. That's it.

So crazy. So interesting. Now, again, the horses sometimes spell words in reverse. order suggesting mirror writing or a characteristic of automatic scripts. That's interesting. So they write, but they, they themselves need to know to turn it around for you because you don't. Yeah, you dumb human.

Read backwards, yeah. The author's right here that it may be said that the conscious mind is only the surface of a deep mental well, and this well is the subconscious mind that can think independently, but can it make rapid complex calculations? Our animal geniuses, however, present evidence of being telepathic recipients. This may be more than mere thought transmission between a man and his horse since the animals have solved problems in advance of the human investigators. In 1955, Dr. William McKenzie, the grand old man of Italian science of Genoa University

was asked if he remembered his lengthy testing of the Elberfeld horses, and he said, quote, I can never forget. Since the horses solved complicated problems instantaneously, there could have been no telepathy for the answers were not known. He called the horses, quote, living four-legged tables and compared their mathematical wizardry with clairvoyance. While awareness of telepathic messages may be an occasional occurrence here, it again seems quite likely that all thought images are projected into a universal mind,

a quote mind at large as aldex-hawksley termed it right as in physics there may also be this field theory right in psychology where again like the hundredth monkey thing if one learns it the others know it so now does this mean that since these horses were all talking or can or did access it in that way that now all horses just inherently sort of have this in them that's what i mean how are we not still studying this well i'm sure the cia is or you know someone like that and is this they they tell you because there are laws in certain states about communicating with you with dolphins and marine animals. Yeah.

Because they're so intelligent, perhaps, and because they can actually talk to you and shit. The dolphin one is real weird. The dolphin was fucking weird, dude. We've got to do it sometime. Now, with this mental medium, each species may have its own young and archetype, its ancestral wisdom pool,

its reservoir of instinctive knowledge. For its source comes from this architectural skill of the termite to the engineering ability of the spider, to the deep knowing of all animals, including man himself. Thus, there are two forms of intelligence, one particular to the individual, a consciousness, a reacting to simulai from the known senses, and the other superior to the individual intelligence, linked to a source outside of the organism's biological range by extra sensory perception that relates it with other organisms. Actually, the brain may not be a creative organ, but one of limitation. It may not be designed for collecting all the information of our immediate environment, limiting our consciousness to what we need to live on this earth level.

So again, we've talked about this. Like, it's not useful for you to do all this really cool shit. And the horse doesn't care. You know, it didn't, like, ask for better conditions or anything. It still slept in the stable. It still did all the things. It didn't, like, improve its, it may have given it something to do, but it wasn't asking for things and being selfish. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like when they said the mind at large or whatever you termed it, it's. That's, I mean, how many words do we have for that? The Akashic records, the universal consciousness, all these things. It reminds me of just kind of like the mycelial network in forests. Yeah. And it's basically their internet. And it makes me think all the trees can just talk to each other that way, even if they're not next to each other.

I think there's been some study done on that too. Definitely. Where plants are talking to the other plants, telling them to bloom or, hey, there's a bee around or, you know, whatever. it's so weird. There's so much we don't know. Totally. And as we discover this kind of stuff, it gets more brilliant and fascinating

because you're absolutely correct. And what's great about the mycelium network is you don't need to be touching it to be effective or to receive information by it. Right? So all of those things communicate with each other in different ways.

Some audibly for them, some visually for them, some definitely smells are a huge component to that. They will release certain sense. I heard that that's what the smell of your grass, You know when you're cutting grass and that smell of cutting grass? Yeah. That's the grass releasing a chemical to let all the other grass know that it's being cut and to look out that it's next.

So it's like grass fear mongering your entire neighborhood. Have you seen the microscope pictures of grass? They look like little smiley faces. No way. I'll have to find it. Fine. I want to check it out. Yeah, it sounds cool as shit.

They love us. Yeah. So like a resistance transformer, it may be blocked from the full voltage of the current. deep within us though. And this is why ESP is more apparent when we're sick or asleep or under a drug perhaps, right? Because don't you get like weird hypnagogic type stuff when you're either very, very hungry, very tired, very sleepy, right? You start to slip into your own sort of alternate state. So sometimes the current jumps on the transformer or a fuse is blown.

Now, then we may have this lightning calculators with both human and animal idiot savants, inspiration, psychic healing, psychometry, clairvoyance, and other sci phenomena. And in fact, there's a Sir James Gene. And he says in this book, let's check the title out here, The Mysterious Universe. He said, quote, mind no longer appears as an accidental intruder into the realm of matter. We are beginning to suspect that it is the creator and governor of matter.

Very interesting. Yeah, this is in 1930, this Mysterious Universe book. and it says that it's that the cosmos resembles a grand mental and mathematical design rather than a simple clockwork mechanism. Sounds like more skill talk, doesn't it? It does.

So James Jeans. So James Jeans, that's just fun to say. 1930s. So we'll definitely have to check that out as well. Hell yeah. But either way, I had some more on some cats and stuff like that. Guys, I highly recommend the book. So it's going to be linked down in the show description

down there so that you guys can check it out. There's heaps of cool shit in there. And I omitted quite. a bit fascinating stuff with the dogs the horses all these animals you think about maybe again new interpretations of animals that you have around you or that you talk to and that you can hang out with very cool very cool stuff dude that was fun i love that one and that's from that same book from last week right same book it's wizards and geniuses out of that book yeah i just pulled uh two chapters out of it and did it there's one though called i will not read it the magnet of the heart

And this is dogs and cats who would not be given away, you know, the sad shit. Dogs that go sit at their owner's gravesites and shit, I'm not reading through that. Yeah. So there's plenty of chapters in here to skip as well. I'd say mainly that one. But dude, fascinating stuff, dude, there's a whole other thing on profit dogs as well, profit animals who predict stuff. Monkeys that do these really intricate geometric design shapes.

Very bizarre stuff, man. Wow. Mm-hmm. A lot of fun, though. Well, not so much of a dovetail, but we'll find out if it's, does in the plus extension with the Shining Island and are looking to a different way to look at Atlantis by Jason Quit again. Shout out to him. So shout out. If you're not, go sign up if you are interested in hearing about some Atlantean stuff. It's going to be fun. Yeah, check it out in the links below, guys. Higher bitrate feed. Go back, get the full catalog there on the max offering and just check it all out and join us.

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