Mysterious Universe - 36.11 - MU Podcast - This Hollow Earth - Episode 01: Deep Lore

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

Welcome to Mysterious Universe Season 36, episode 11! According to Buddhist doctrine, Agartha is a subterranean land located deep within the center of our planet. Buddhists believe millions of people live in this underground paradise. Their lives and destinies are directed by an all-powerful and all-wise ruler. What wonders lie just beneath us all? We are here today to begin a fascinating saga series titled This Hollow Earth, based on the work of Warren Smith in his 1977 book, This Hollow Earth - The astounding investigation into the 'lost worlds' beneath our planet’s surface. We are here to ask: is the story of Agharta nothing more than a fun fable, or is there truth behind the legend? Do we know the Earth is solid, with varying layers of deep, dense material that terminates in a solid molten core? Or could there be vast inhabitable spaces we would be astounded to experience? In Plus+, we look into the growing train of thought that AI and automation are getting better at doing our jobs, and how they may also be slowly dismantling the way humans have always learned to become good at them. From robotic surgery to Michelin kitchens, Matt Beane’s The Skill Code explores how we build real expertise, and how intelligent machines could either destroy that process, or help create an entirely new kind of apprenticeship.  This Hollow Earth: The Astounding Investigation Into the Lost World Beneath Our Planet's Surface Hollow Earth Theories: A List of References Royal Society's portraits of Edmond Halley, and a diagram of Halley's curious model for the internal structure of the Earth Secret of the Ages - UFOs from Inside the Earth The Sky People The Smoky God: A Voyage to the Inner World The Skill Code: How to Save Human Ability in an Age of Intelligent Machines LinksPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE.Links Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Two Mysterious Universe, season 36 episode number 11. According to Buddhist doctrine, Agartha is a subterranean land located deep within the center of our planet. The Buddhists believe that millions of people live within this underground paradise. Their lives and destinies are directed by an all-powerful and all-wise ruler known to them as the king of the world. What wonders lie just beneath us all? We're here today to begin a fascinating saga series titled This Hollow Earth. Based on the work of Warren Smith in his 1977 published 1972 copyright book, This Hollow Earth, the astounding investigation into the lost worlds beneath the planet's surface.

Yes, we are here to ask, is the story of Agartha nothing more than a fun fable, or is there truth behind the legend? Do we know that the Earth is solid with varying layers of deep, dense material that terminates in a solid molten core. Or could there be vast, inhabitable spaces, we would be astonished to experience? I'm your cavernously curious host, Braden Thomas, and with me, as always, is the stalactite stallion himself, Hall Joe Hodgden. What's that bad? Never ceased to amaze me with these names.

So you gave me, you didn't spoil it, but you did give me kind of a heads up that we were going to be doing something in the realm of Halloworth. And I am stoked now that I know it's that. Because of all the crazy things, that's one of my favorites. It really is. Definitely. Yeah. This is one that's very exciting.

It is This Hollow Earth again by Warren Smith. We did his Strange Powers of the Mind recently, remember? And he's written under several different pseudonyms. This is one of the 25 books he wrote as Warren Smith. And it's incredible, man. It's definitely a saga. I was reading through this going, this is amazing and perfect. Today we're going to do a flyover.

And you guys definitely check. the links in the show description next Tuesday, we're going to get into something very cool. Expand this and go literally deep on this. All of the legends about it that you've heard so far we're going to cover in this series. We're going to get to the bottom of hollow earth altogether. And if nothing else, just put to bed some of the pseudoscience. It goes about people who say it's impossible or say that exactly what we're living on right now or in or any of that stuff is exactly what's going on.

Because we really don't know. We really don't. some people say that they know but I don't feel like we really do and stories like this are just fascinating because you get into we're going to get into like Haley and his thoughts on this as well you know some additional material within this and we could be just living on one of those inner spheres that they talk about so we could just be on some inner side of something and I know we've talked about this a little bit in the past but man the hollow earth concept is just it's one of my favorite along with scale it's one of those up there that really when you go into it and you start diving deep it's one of the

most fascinating things. Yeah, it was the, I think it was, I think I covered that actually, the cellular cosmogony or cosmology or something. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That inner, inner earth kind of idea. I love it, though.

It's, it's fun. If nothing else, whether it's, it doesn't matter. It's just fun to talk about and think about and fill your head full of this amazingness. So I'm looking forward to that. I did, since this is a Friday show, I wanted to mention, uh, listener, Ariel sent us a sweet message that said that we've got her through a little. lot this last year. So what a great thing to hear. I also wanted to shout out listener Ryan. He's a

traveling nurse with his wife. And apparently he was in my city, at least over the last weekend. And didn't get a chance to hook up with him or anything, but just kind of cool, the small world, you know, he messages me. He's like, dude, I'm in your town. So yeah. I'm like, wow. How cool is this shit, dude? Well, thank you guys and shout out. And thank you for doing that, Joe. I don't catch some of those and thank you for pointing them out when I don't. Oh, yeah. Cool, man. Awesome work.

Traveling nurses, an amazing job. Dude probably makes a hilling doing that, too. It's gnarly, though. Our cousin, Aaron, on Mary's side, it's her cousin, but I call her cousin Aaron, too, because I'm a she lover. She's a traveling nurse and loves it. She lives out in South Carolina and loves it. Moved all over the place.

It's lived everywhere and is great with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's wonderful for her. Much respect. I think I've talked to you about that, but the, uh, the medical. industry in general is it's not for me we'll just say that i respect the people that can do that and sew limbs back on but nah not for me right right right but very cool indeed and thank you guys

so much for writing in we'd love you guys so much and y'all are going to love this saga because it's just a super cool one and these are fun so i love the smell of sagas in the morning and this one is an absolute banger but before we get to all that joe what have you got coming up for us in plus so i'm going to take a bit of a divergent turn i guess guess and talk about something that a lot of people are talking about now, which is AI. But this is a, it's called the skill code by Matt Bean. And this is how to save human ability in the age of intelligent machines. And I was looking through a couple different books on AI.

And this one's from 2024. So it's by AI standards, kind of outdated. But it's still, it's still interesting. And he goes through how to basically how to, you know, save your job. and not let the machines take over. So I thought it was an interesting little way to go with that because we haven't really done a deep dive on AI yet. So that'll be coming up in plus.

Does it have anything to do with forming mobs with speakers that beam sound at these data centers? Because allegedly you can override them with certain frequency hurts if you overwhelm them with them. Have you heard about this? No, but I don't. These data centers and they'll shut downs essentially. I don't think it does though because it's a couple years old. Data centers are a relatively new development. in AI the last what year or so.

So, but no, it's just more of like, you know, keeping the human in, in your work and in your, your skills and not letting your brain turn into mashed potatoes by asking chat GPT, everything, which is, from what I've seen, a lot of people are doing these days, and it's weird. And it, it kind of makes me wonder, or make me understand, I guess, why you get that Gen Z stare. Have you heard of this? the Gen Z stare. You go into Order Chick-Fleigh, and they're just like, duh. They got the fluoride stare, too.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I shouldn't be so agist with the Gen Z thing. It covers quite a bit around, I would say. Yeah. Yeah, for damn sure. It's weird that we need to be told not to ask a computer to do everything for us and that that would dull our skill sets in certain areas.

I was doing math on paper the other day, dude, just for the shit of it. Dude, I had to remember how to do division the other day. I don't even know what I was doing, but I was doing, you know, the symbol for division. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And how you do all that? I'm like, I've lost this ability. Not that I've ever used it in any field I've ever been in.

Right. But it's still, it's good brain practice, right? Yes. I think that's more of kind of what Matt Bean is going for here is it's like, don't lose your humanity and your ability to think for yourself just because we have these admittedly cool tools and they are tools and they do a lot of cool stuff. But it is making people dumber and there are studies that have been done in the last couple years of people's brainwaves after being exposed to chat GPT for a month and it just goes

downhill. It's actually pretty, I mean, I wouldn't say scary. It's just weird. It is weird. Like what, we had a, I think it was last week we had a shut off. I didn't hear about it until like two days later, but apparently there's like a mass shut off of all these different AI. models or something and everyone's just like oh what do we do oh you have one in your head no clue

that that even happened yeah i know i didn't know for like two days i'm like what that happened all right you just told me i'm i'm being informed here uh yeah we use it that little it's literally for the show um graphics guys that's what we use this for that's it yeah what i mean what else could you i know that it it's great for some people's jobs and it really does like increase efficiency and all that stuff but it's still like what are you giving up in exchange for that because humanity I guess Yeah

It's a bizarre time You have two sides of the corn here Where there's people that are like Oh if you don't embrace AI You're going to be left in the dark And it's like, I'm okay with that I'm gonna die anyway What was that?

Mark Twain quote If you find yourself on the side of majority It's time to reconsider I mean and if you know Being well adjusted to a sick society Is no measure of good health I mean I've got many of I got a couple quotes in my pocket

That lead me through the dark times Of those kind of mass Jump on the Hill loves Yeah Yeah, and again, it's not, we're Luddites in any way. I mean, we do our job basically all on the internet. So it's not that we're like rejecting technology or anything. It's just there's a, I think it just needs checks and balances as we go along.

And it's not, again, not fear porn or anything. I just think we have to look at these things a little bit, a little bit more closely and try to figure out where it's going. So anyway, yeah, that'll be coming up and plus. I'm sure we'll talk more about it, but it's very important, dude. Very cool. So yes, guys, sign up in the links below. you're going to want that as well as the saga that we're rolling out here with this hollow earth by Warren Smith. Just all kinds of good shit that we're doing over there.

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So you guys do. Get on Max. You get the whole thing. So getting into this saga here with episode one. This is admittingly going to be a flyover guy. So definitely get in the link so that you can go deep with this on this because there's so much to this. You think, oh, there's a little hole and there's something. No, there's heaps of lore, myth, legend, and cosmology wrapped in this idea, which is just fascinating.

And actually pretty much everything we talk about here, it kind of, it's one of those just, okay, if this is plausible and something even considerable, even if there's a small little pocket of something down there going on, it's fascinating and awesome. I don't even think that's debatable. I mean, it is. It's cavernous. You can look up maps of just the, even the natural caverns, not to mention the ones that were possibly dug out by previous civilizations. I mean, even the subway tunnels in New York is a little interesting. Yes, Seattle.

Dude, all that kind of shit. And it's a fascinating realm. If you look at it from just the cosmology, the mainstream science or the dollar sign offers us, which we're going to dance between. Warren Smith was obviously on board with that. he was pumped about folks going to the moon and things like that. We're going to offer a few more perspectives than that in here, but it negates zero percent of the coolness.

And it changes nothing, though the map is not the territory. It doesn't change anything. It's very cool. Well, Joe, what do we even know about the realm that we find ourselves creating in here? And that's the big question is, are we given the truth from those scientists with a dollar sign? My general stance is we know a lot less than we think we know. and it's the people that dig their heels in about what they know that I find very suspect. I think I think we know more.

We're told bullshit. And we know that the bullshit is bullshit, which makes us dig heels in. Yeah. That's another way to look at it. That is not fucking the accurate. But all of you people are saying this shit, you know, you're all sick in the head, whatever. You're just not looking is really the deal. So, or you are looking and you're deliberately obfuscating the truth, which is nefarious.

But either way, the question really here is, is is there a hidden, kingdom down below us, rather than just its cavernous and all that stuff, are there habitable societies down in that bitch? And how would that look? Now, I've linked here, this hollow earth theories, a list of references, and it's just a guide, basically. But some of the essential things to think about on this is that things like in 1681, astronomer Edmund Haley noticed that compass needles moved and that they didn't point in the exact same

place all the time. And in 1681, he proposed a radical idea in a series of, of papers that Haley read to his colleagues in this royal society. The earth is hollow. Consisting of an outer shell and an inner sphere, this inner sphere has its own magnetic poles and gaps between it and the outer shell, leaving it free to move. This movement of this inner sphere causes the variations in magnetic fields and poles.

Now, Haley would later expand his theories to include a total of three concentric spheres, one inside of another. He would also suggest that these inner spheres might harbor life of some kind. Does this not sound like a cell? Bro. So this is his drawing that I've pulled up for you. Now, length in the show notes, guys, is an article with his drawing in it, but this is essentially what he thinks we exist in. Now, if you look at that model there, how could you say where you existed on it? If scale was the factor here and you were just a tiny little quiff on the inside or outside of one of these spheres, how could you tell where you were?

Is the night sky that we know just this second inner sphere here? Or are we on the inside of this thing? And we're looking at a central sphere like what you covered in the cosmology book. Or are we on the outside? Living on the roof. You know what that also looks like is if you're on plus, you'll know I just covered the Atlantis thing from Jason Quit. It's in my notes. God damn it.

Look at this concentric circle. Yeah. It's in the notes that this actually does look exactly like what Plato described as Atlantis, right? And if you think of, you know, take this as a 3D model and a city built like that, perhaps he is, maybe the theory of Atlantis is this inner earth type of an idea, and that's not the last time we're going to hear about Atlantis, I promise. Maybe every time Atlantis falls on these cyclic, you know, timelines, you're just kind of imploding into the next one.

See, and dude, yes. So something like that as well. Like perhaps they are rippling out like ripples in a pond and maybe you follow the ripple or you stay in one place and the ripple washes over you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Ugh. So if you check the link, guys, it's all linked down there and you can see this Royal Society's portraits of Edmund Haley's diagram and all that kind of stuff. It's got it in there.

Very cool. I like that one that's right next to it on the left right there. Yeah, that one. It's a, that's how I would imagine it looks. And then if you, of course, with scale, if you go all the way down, then inside that is another one of those and so on and so forth, add infinitum.

Matrishka doll type thing. And if you look at this half, you know, I mean, this is turtles, right? You know, if you think about a turtle shell, but just in one inverted, like two turtles stuck together, you know, like banging like we would think missionary style, if you will. Yeah. And if you can think of that,

then you got the turtle shells bowing out at the back like that and all the internals in there. and maybe the inside of every single turtle is a tiny cosmology except when you kill it or open it up or it dies or something and it renders into a being that has organs and shit in it these all mush into that the turtles are weird enough as it is dude's so fucking weird and tortoises

I've got to tell you about my hilarious tortoise thing I'll tell you about later all right but does this conflict with our observation of reality is the real question now Warren Smith writes that quote many peoples of different religions have strongly believed in a world within our world. Many respected seekers of truth firmly maintain that the lost civilization of Atlantis lives on beneath the earth's surface.

So again, which Haley's drawing, I have here noted, does look like the depiction of. So we are again going to bring back the idea that Atlantis was a civilization and that it was displaced, yada, yada, yada. Though it could still be a metaphor for the stars and or both yes, right? Both would work, right?

Both would absolutely work because like you're talking about on this model here, the one you talked about, the egg broken open, this would be that. Because our entire cosmology would fit within another one. Yes. Yeah. So it, oh my God, that's, I don't want to say epiphany, but that, oh, my God, that makes actually sense of the Atlantis model that Jason Quit was putting out, too, is that. Yes. Yeah, Atlanta is a star thing, but it's also out there. And then we also have another one, you know, in their shower thoughts.

Yeah, Atlantis and. Yeah, yes and, right. A city built to mirror the rotation of the heavens, not just fixed points like the pyramids or something like that. But Joe, how many of these subterranean worlds actually really exist? The hollow earth theory posits the existence of enormous holes at the north and south poles. And I'm sure you've seen an image of that. It's just spectacular. Oh, yeah, we always call the dearest butthole.

Yeah, there you go, right here. And we're going to get into holes on the polls next time because that is fast. just determining this hole up here is what's so damning with this and it's all compasses to do it. This is why they don't let you fly over it because if you got too close, you'd see that the thing jetted one side and then you kept going or spun wildly. Sort of like the Bermuda Triangle, South Pole again allegedly doesn't do this as much, which makes the north way more interesting as if like it's the inner and then everything goes out from there kind of an idea.

Well, it's that toroid again. It still wins to this tourroid idea. Right. Because then not just energetically, right? Like when you get to the Van Allen radiation belts or anything like that where you go, well, yeah, they wouldn't have crossed them because they're energetic barriers to the flat earth concept or there to be barriers there. It could be this concept right here. It could be sphericals. And you could just be either on the inner or outer shell of one of these things that are all the way down. And at scale you can't tell because of the cosmology. Yeah. So these holes in the poles here are at the north and south poles. And they're leading to vast unknown worlds within the inner earth here. But some believe that the earth is honeycombed with subterranean tunnels that connect to this inner world. Hollow earth enthusiasts claim that the interior land is inhabited by giants, fairies, and or advanced-ass peoples. Some believe these inhabitants are survivors of Atlantis, Limeria,

or as yet other unknown races, like, you know, moo and all those, right? So euphologists theorize that flying saucers originate from this hollow earth, piloted by inhabitants from these subterranean worlds. Believers report that the, quote, masters reside within a paradise within the earth, guiding humanity towards higher spirituality, thinking it's silly that we live on the roof of the house instead of inside of it, right? However, others are skeptical of the conviviality of these inner earthers, whispering about deadly deros, this D-E-R-O-S, these detrimental robots with deadly powers and dark desires.

Cue the metal music, right? Oh, yeah. So that's, when you're talking about, oh, maybe the Van Allen radiation bells, you know, you can't get through it or whatever. And up in this idea that that's the, I don't know, the ocean floor of the next iteration, right? Yeah. So I'm sure everybody's heard about the Russians. I can't remember. I think it was in the 70s, but this cola super deep borehole in Russia, and it was the deepest artificial hole. And according to Jiminy here, a 7.6 miles, and then they just couldn't go any further.

Damn. And it's like, so is that the top of the, you know, the sky in this underground realm? Yes. That's what I always, that's what makes me think. Exactly. And it could be stacked and layered like that, where maybe there are some things that interact with one another. but again it could be sort of like you're talking about like a cell and there's a cell with multi layers that's encompassed within itself matricchidol style and it is fed nutrients that then permeate through layers what it's doing on the inside then permeates to the out it is this self-feeding

oscillating system you know because then you're getting past and future kind of things combined in that you've got one of the outer shell things thinking it's a different timeline because their time skills work different but there's some way of correlating it with hours or something to notice the relativity. Bizarre, right. And then you think about the rivers, like the freshwater rivers that apparently have been found at like the bottom of the ocean.

How is that even possible with all the pressure that's apparently there? And I mean, the deepest part we've found so far as a Marianas trench, right? I don't remember how deep it is, but... Seven miles or something? I mean, we can't even go down there. You'd implode. So how do we even...

You know, I think it was... I think NASA used to be actually a sea, a seafaring, sea discovery thing. And then they were like, nope, fuck that. And they were like, let's go outwards instead. Well, maybe they know it's the same thing. And what they're doing is really exploring the deep where the thing is, but they can't tell us that because it conflicts with the model.

So they have this dog and pony show where they shoot rockets out into the ocean. And that's where they go, too. They don't go out in space. They go out over the ocean every time. Oh, so, yeah, you pulled it up. Marianas Trench is about seven miles. And the Russians dug about a little over seven miles. So it looks like that's the barrier.

But there are movies that say at the bottom in the Mariana Strand, just a movie, I get it, but they tell a lot in movies, that that's actually a dense, thick water that leads to another world. That then whenever you pop out of that world, that's the bottom gravity or the top of the water. So you'd actually swim down, but you'd be popping your head up through a water system on the other side. Yeah, this inversion type of thing.

And you pop out and now you're in the sky of another universe. Right. And they told us a while back that the center of Earth's gravity wasn't at the center. They said it was like 400 miles down. Remember that or something like that? I remember hearing something about that. They said in the inner shell, the Earth's gravity was only a little bit down and then it evened out. And that was it, meaning that that's now the midway point for something else's gravity to be pulling down to there.

So isn't that a funny? Just a quick aside, real quick. Yeah, no, no, no. We're here. So if gravity, as we know it, is caused by the Earth's rotation and pulling things, things in. Allegedly. How do you still stick to the earth when you're at the North Pole or South Pole?

Correct. Well, the answer to that if gravity is the thing or if it's what they say, because, again, this idea that is centered about 400, like 400 miles below, something like that, the idea there then is that whenever you get back to the hole in the pole, whenever, what's his name, Bird flew through this damn thing. Oh, Admiral Bird, yeah. Yeah, he said that the opening was so gradual that you didn't know you were going into a hole because, again, of your scale. So the hole's so big and the place you're coming from has a different gravitational center than the center of the earth.

It's just below the crust few hundred miles is what they're saying. So you wouldn't notice. It turns from centripetal to centrifugal or something like that. You just don't even realize it? You don't even realize it, yeah, because of your scale. Like, think of does an ant realize as it's upside down when it's walking on the top? top of your hand versus the underside because it seems to have no difference in challenge. Like it seems to walk just fine on the underside of my finger as it does on the top of it.

So did they notice a difference in gravity? Do you know what I mean? Does it pull on them as hard? I don't know because they're so light. Maybe they don't. But at scale, again, maybe it's all relative and they do know that they're upside down. Yes. I'm sure they know they're upside down because the other hands don't fucking lie to them. But yeah, yeah. Now these Deros, they cause most of the opportunities in disguise. for us on the surface world, according to Warren Smith here. Torturing, murdering, kidnapping, causing wars, diseases, and machinery, malfunctions. They're responsible for that bitch-ass check engine light. Thanks, Oderos.

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Oh, and another analog to the idea of the Nephilim or the gods coming down and mating with human women. They were just going on the inside of their earth. Mm-hmm. And they're like, oh, look at these sexy-ass humans. Yeah. I'm telling you, it gets more fun, the more you apply it to all the stuff we talk about.

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kidnap young and attractive women assaulting them in smoky caverns. So you fugly boombas have nothing to worry about. Some claim that young girls and women are disappearing at an alarming rate worldwide. They attribute these disappearances to the treacherous

white slavers in Italy, Darrow activity in India, and the drug culture and runaways in Europe and America. So watch out runaways, you know, have a plan. You know, don't get out of a bad situation. Just have a plan. because allegedly you got darrow's and folks snatching you up to go into breeding cages underground.

At least a bug out bag or something. A couple boxes of 9-mill. Yeah. Yep, solid rider die that you can just tell whatever you can. Just keep your secrets and there you go. The believer believes that deros are returning and filling their breeding cages with female victims. You got this dude just going, oh yeah, all right, mate. And just got to pop up to the surface here and stuff me breed a cage.

Be back in a jiffy. It's always about the pooty tang, isn't it? It is, man, and they're just dragging bitches around, man. Now, cultists who believe the underpeople, which is a great name for a ban, believe them to be benign, wise, and simply possess an alternative sexual theory. So that's all it is, Joe. It's just an alternative sexual theory. It's sounding like excusing some weird sexual shit. It's a spectrum, dude.

Is that it? They have a bunch of letters in it. Now, the president of the Hollow Earth Society says female under people are the most beautiful and attractive. women in the universe. Giggity, giggity, giggity. I love the smell of dirt, you know, so kink unlocked, right? Now, they've been guided by goddess-like women as so much in Greek and ancient Roman theology, where their gods and goddesses were emissaries from the hollow earth. Sexual contact between these advanced peoples and ordinary humans created the advanced man, beings far superior, physically, and mentally. Finally, the mating with the same thing.

son's story for a change. Am I right there, Joe? We do's are feeling a little bit passed over there. And we're too good, you know, to feel that left out. Emotionally manipulated there. So allegedly dudes were getting banged out too. Though rather you believe in a hollow earth, benign beings, or demonic deros, it depends on your personal attitudes, of course, as in any of this. We've always sought answers to our planet's size, shape, composition, history, and

universal significance. And despite our exploration efforts, many unknown areas remain on world maps. Quote, astronauts have allegedly brought back lunar samples, but yet we know nothing about the secrets beneath the oceans. That's the thing, okay? This is another reason I say they're full of shit on this, is because take what they say, flip it, and that's probably what's going on. If you look at the boring company, right, Elon Musk's fucking dig him downs, that thing

was like the highest funded government research project in the world at one point, the most most money given to this single entity to do something was to do it underground. And then you look at this kind of bullshit. They've been saying this for years, which again, it's, it's, I hear these things like bullshit. They say that we know more about the moon than we do the bottoms of our oceans, which means that they know more about the oceans than they do the moon. Do you see what I'm saying? If you flip it, yeah.

Invert it. And because they keep putting that out so that you're reminded of it all the time, right? Oh, never forget, guys. We know more about fucking moon there because, being right than the oceans and they're right here man this wow fucking NASA so Joe do sunken continents exist what do you think uh I would say yeah I mean even like the Hawaiian islands are just the tops of mountains yeah yeah you get this Zeelandia Zelandia yeah is that like Zootopia uh kind of it's this continent where 94% of

it is underwater. Weird. Right now. Yes. Hollow Earth believers point to the unexplored Brazilian jungles as well where the explorers report lost cities in mysterious ruins. Now, we covered some of this and we talked with Ben Tejada Ingram's work on the Kuru Pira episodes, remember that?

Yep. About folks going out into the jungle, and there are some inner cavern talk in that as well. Now, pyramids also have been discovered in unexplored areas of Asia. There's shit all over the place, and all of these things, allegedly have subterranean passages that lead down, and especially Asia. That's, it's interesting that they keep so many things a secret over there, and a lot of it allegedly happens from there. Well, these, these underground caverns are all over the place.

It's like, it's like an ant hill on earth. Like, it's just tons of tunnels and unexplored things that are, I would imagine pretty dangerous, but there's also the man-made ones. I mean, we could do a whole show on the Dums, the deep underground military bases. Dude. that used to be a conspiracy theory, but it's pretty much just known now that we have huge underground

at least facilities, if not full on, like many cities underground. What do they call that? Continuity of government. Yeah. That's right. That's right.

And when we get into the Vrelia and Hitler and all the subterranean treasure caverns and things like this, we're going to cover that in this work as well, you've got heaps of stuff going on down there. and I would be shocked, if not stupefied, to think that they weren't part of this underground society in some degree. Even if they weren't treated like retards by the Oninochia or whoever is down there, they still are allowed to play there. They're still allowed to exchange and they're part of that society.

And their activity underground is evidence of that, I think. Yeah. And I think I brought it up at the show Silo on Apple TV. Shout out, great fucking show if you like sci-fi type stuff. But it's a I don't want to say it's pre-programming or, you know, revelation of the method or something like that, but I would not be surprised if something like that actually exists.

And then you have that other show that just came out too. Shit, what was it called? Paradise. And that's another kind of underground city idea. A lot of underground city talk these days. You'd think that would cost billions of dollars, right? Yeah. Yeah, probably.

I wonder where this budget deficit comes from to the tune of like $40 trillion. Is it for the roads? Not from what I've seen. But yeah, they're probably, I mean, everybody knows these billionaires are building bunkers, especially the last few years. Not that that means anything necessarily. I'd love to have an underground bunker myself. I just don't have billions of dollars.

So I live on the top. Yeah. All right. Well, maybe you don't need it. Maybe we can just all get together and dig a big hole, build you a house in that thing, you know? Start digging. Yeah. You don't need a billionaire.

money because i'm telling you that what was that i heard a long time ago that a well a cave is a grave to a well-prepared adversary and i thought that that was interesting because if you even think about it you need air supply from somewhere down there and if somebody knows there's something's happening up here that's aware of that your underground experience especially coming from a surface experience to underground the dramatic change it can be interrupted so easily dude yeah that's why i'm saying that many of these underground bunkers i think they're not that great of an idea depending on what the hell they know or what they think is coming. But again, I think it'd be funny for these alien things to kind of really get this.

If it's all about love and shit, they know who the lizard turd parasites are. And they've been setting them up for whenever the next catastrophe hits, whatever that is, this realm shift, world going to be just fine. They're going to be the ones that are trapped and fucked here for some reason because I got whispered the wrong information. Exactly. As George Carlin said, it's just going to be the earth plus plastic. Yeah. The idea in silo, though, too, is they answered a kind of an important question is like how are these facilities operating for this long, you know, with electricity.

And it's, well, the answer in silo at least is they, they set these up on this geothermal location. So they're using like underground steam or, you know, hot water or whatever to power this giant turbine that powers the whole silo. And there's like, I don't want to spoil it, but there's a lot of silos. So it makes sense, but does it work practically? I don't know. Well, at scale and from our modern science perspective, perhaps, but living underground that way is probably not the practical way to do it and probably not the way all these other civilizations have been doing it.

Because if you've been down there long enough, you don't miss any of that shit, or you've been obviously using something else. Maybe geothermal. They probably figured out nuclear fusion a long time ago, and they're just putting that in their back pocket because that's, you can't let the average. How are you going to charge for power if it's basically free? You can't charge for that. If you're in a society like ours, yes, that is interesting. And maybe other societies where it's just everywhere and everyone knows it, you can't do that because you can't pull that wool over anyone's eyes because it's just ubiquitous. Maybe you can't do that.

So everyone has it. And we're going to go over some really interesting technologies when we get to some of these inter-earth civilizations as well that are fascinating. And why Hitler was so damn interested in it and why everybody's so interested in it, really. But you've got these massive pyramids, dead cities in gigantic subterranean lakes that are reported from the Himalayan Mountains. So you've got even underground lakes, right? We've talked about even lakes, how bizarre those things are. You can get through all of this stuff under there. Because think if it's just a pocket, you swim down, maybe a cavern, and then you go up,

and then it traps air like your toilet, right? Yeah. A little lip in the back. And then now, boom, you're in the subterranean cavern. It's just a little temporary water buffer. Yeah, there's tons of stories of that. These crazy scuba divers or even like free divers that go down and they find this little cavern, they swim through it.

It's almost like a Mario 64, like a video game where you swim under. this thing and you pop back up and you're underground but it's just vast fucking cavern. Yeah. Insane. And then they, oh, so I was going to finish my point in the underwater stuff. So underwater, there's more water, like a dense water. Yeah, like a talking

headset. Under the water, there's more water. Carry the water. But there was this guy who did a documentary on it and he went down in the Gulf of Mexico and there was this gigantic pond river lake or pond lake looking thing and they took their submarine and they bounced off of it. And they saw ripples on the side and things. So is that

just that denser water to keep us humans or whatever out, but really that leads to, like you said, another realm. And maybe the sky. The sky of something else. So it starts turning into a thick thing. And maybe this is why fish sometimes rain out of the sky or frogs, right? It's because they're falling from another higher dimension that slipped through somehow. Yeah, it's this weird, like, almost gel-like when they get down there far enough where it's like

this gelatinous, like, jello-y type thing. And yeah, with all that pressure, if it gets thicker and thicker and thicker. then what is that at the bottom? We can't get through it. Right. Yeah. It's impenetrable. Maybe. And I heard a story of an airship, like one of these airshipsiding dirigible type things that got hung on a steeple of a church.

And they climbed up there and tried to free this thing. And they grabbed it. They were human beings, right, down on a rope trying to free this thing. And when they grabbed the guy and pulled him down to Earth to try and help him to try and grab him, he started choking like he was suffocating like he couldn't breathe. Weird. Like they were pulling him in. into deeper water than like he was already underwater from his perspective you know what I mean? Yeah.

Weird. No, and that goes into the whole density and buoyancy and these arguments that like flat Earthers will use, but maybe they're onto something, not necessarily in the shape, but in the, I don't know, the physics of it or something, but I'm not a physicist. Don't listen to me. Well, and this is what I say. I'm not a flat earther, but I am a critical thinker. And what a lot of things that they say make sense to me as far as the unwinding is from a

ball that's spherical and we're on the outside of necessity. or at least the scale of it. So it has offered me some interesting perspectives, though I do not consider myself a flatter. Right. It's food for thought. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah, I'm just passing through all the ideas, guys.

All of them are fun and fascinating. Now, the north and south polar regions are also shrouded in this immense mystery, which we're going to get to in the next episode. Those claiming to have met the underpeople are considered mentally ill. We've got some stories about that as well. Now, you've got these clandestine government. outfits that may have already contacted the inhabitants of these inner lands, as some have definitely claimed.

And what about the damn moon? Some researchers like Alex Coyer say that the moon is a hollowed out planetoid brought here from somewhere else, which adds a layer of mystery to an already mysterious item in our night sky. And if the moon is hollow, could our planet have these undiscovered lands, these subterranean cities and unknown people in them as well? The Hollow Earth Society actually claims evidence of men who have accidentally learned of the subterranean world and live to tell about it. And the president of the Hollow Earth Society, this Albert McDonald, claimed that some returned to the surface world, but no one checked their stories out, and they were ridiculed and harassed and placed in asylums. Many a fascinating thing tucks nicely into the hollow Earth theory, though.

Because, Joe, what do you think about UFOs coming from this inner land? Do they have to come from outer space? No, and the more that we've had these revelations in the last decade or so of U.S.Os and things getting up and out of the water, it's like, yeah, maybe they're not coming from 1.9 million light years away. Maybe they're just popping up out of the ocean. Yep, yep. Until recently, occultists dismiss the hollow earth theory is just cultist nonsense. However, these sightings of UFOs and their occupants have puzzled investigators and the thought of them coming from right here just makes too much damn sense. If you've seen that map of shoal, have you ever seen that?

Yeah, yeah. That's like kind of Christian cosmology, right? Yes, yes. The abyss. I think it's EOL. God damn it. Thank you. Yeah, you will.

Thank you. So whenever I look at something like this, this is what I think of when I, if you guys Google Scholl, S-H-E-O-L, thank you for the spelling, Joe. Then you will find that this is sort of maybe what we're talking about here. Like it doesn't necessarily need to be that we're in this thing. We could just be in like a bubble, like literally like a geode, if you will. And this outer waters, and if you go with Haley's model there, then about the magnetic poles being on each sphere, it would dick with our magnetic poles, which it does,

if one of them flipped on the inside when another one flip in turn. Then you have this idea of this being completely surrounded by water, but having a denser, darker water that leads to another interior of itself. Just fascinating. Another dimension, if you will. Exactly.

And then through here, caverns would lead down to that. All the water supplies then would just be something anything could pop up in from underneath and kind of fly around inside our little geode here and then swim back out and go on. just when you look at shit like this man it just really and i mean think of plato maybe he was serious about the cave they were in a damn care in a cave yeah the uh i think it was another bible verse about the heavens being opened like a scroll yes yes what and that's actually i think well at least

the biblical flood myth or legend whatever was that it hadn't really rained from what i remember it hadn't really rained on the earth until the flood and it wasn't just like a shitload of rain that covered the whole place and water. It was literally water from above dumped down and flooded the bitch. So, I mean, if you're thinking about it from this perspective, it's like, hmm. It is very interesting because they do say this and they say that the top has these, you know, holes in it. And from a perspective, people say that God opens those and he floods this place out to destroy everything around here. But maybe that's not the case.

Like we've talked about in the Atlantis work with Jason's work that the idea of Solarron, right? Solon. So he borrowed the chariot and he rode it across. That's a cosmological story of something that happened to the sky, but they told it in story form so they could kind of explain it and pass it down. So if this is just natural formations in the top of a cave that every now and then maybe one of the top layers floods, it then, you know, shit rolls down hill. Yeah, it springs a leak and all of a sudden here it is.

Maybe that's what it is. But UFO organizations have established heaps of guideline. and most believing that UFOs originate from outer space. Though despite silly criticism, some groups of UFO researchers have adopted more open-minded approaches to such things. These hypotheses include UFOs and their occupants from other dimensions or inside hollow Earth or, you know, future humans coming back in time machines to bang their ancestors because it's not technically incest if it's far back enough. And they're here to show us that. Well, that and, you know, butt stuff. And it heaps more today.

And many open-ended theories about these things beyond strictly space travel, man, you know, because it doesn't have to be just that. I think, again, you know, when you look at the narratives, oh, well, if they are this, they're coming from there. Well, why are you? Because the mainstream is to tell us that they're coming from space. They're not offering any other real options, meaning that that's where they want our mind. No, and from this perspective of like this nested doll hollow earth type of thing, maybe that's what UFOs are. is they're the technology that can pass through these barriers and get to these greater realms or dimensions or whatever.

Yeah. And if you are one of these lizard birds, it's incarnating here constantly, like a hell perhaps, you know, and you maybe picture it like something like hell after a while, because not simply because it's bad and you don't run the bitch and you don't do whatever you want, but just because you're stuck in your board and maybe you're, you know, you just want out. Because when they asked Elon Musk, what do you wanted to ask the simulation? Do you remember what he asked? no AI advanced AI they said what do you want to ask the most advanced AI if you can

ask it one question he thought for a long time this is fucking weird and then he goes what's outside the simulation like so like he knows right they were in a simulation but he wants to know what's outside of it that was his most pressing thing that's another uh I don't know this is where the what they call biblical cosmologists aka flatterers but they don't like that that word but labels they I guess I can't speak to this but from what I heard is that the Bible speaks of like seven heavens or seven layers of this. So is it

turtles all the way down or is it only seven layers down or up? That's a good point. Yeah. It could be like a gobstopper, an everlasting gobstopper. You know, that bitch will end at a point. Yeah. I like that idea. And maybe you are just going through these phases. They're like Dante's nine levels of hell. You know, maybe it is like a, you start

on the outside, you work your way through these spheres and then you work your way out. Tadda, and it's Timmy's birthday on the other side when you come out of this bitch, by the way. That was what he wanted to do. And you're five. When you get out of this thing. And black holes are real, but it's just the final layer underneath you or something. Yeah. Yeah, and maybe that teleboards you back to the top.

Or, you know, like, and Mario, like you were saying, that one hole will lead you to somewhere else. Because again, allegedly, the back of the moon is the sun and the back of the sun is the moon. So this sort of like this portal idea, but you could see both sides of them at once. Yeah. This weird, trippy shit where your eyes shouldn't be able to do that. We're told. Well, I mean, your brain creates reality anyway, right? Fuck yeah.

Fuck yeah. We're having fun with it. The noted UFO authority and author, Bensley Le Pyr Trench, wrote in Operation Earth, quote, It's futile to evaluate flying saucers and their occupants based on current knowledge. The occupants, rather the real sky people or those with habitats near us, possess abilities most of us lack. Now this is William Francis Brinsley-Lepeer Trench.

You ever heard of that guy? Uh, nope. 8th Earl of Clenclary, 7th Marquay of Houston. Oh, that guy, yeah, yeah. See, I knew that would be it. Now, he wrote the Sky People in 1960 and Secret Ages UFOs from Inside Earth in 1976. Now, I was able to find both of those Sky People is linked, and then you've got this $206 copy of UFOs inside the Earth,

which I find that interesting. Anytime they jack the price upon a book, it's got some shit in it, man. But both are length. guys want to check that out as well is we share a birth anniversary with plus member amber and this guy as well September 18th oh nice yeah now this radical extension to the theory of flying saucers emanating from an invisible area surrounding the planet suggests earth center is hollow and the planet is shaped like a sexy donut with vast openings at the polar regions and there's this anna a It's an underground race of inhabitants that inhabits this interior to boot.

Let's set the scene here, all right? Because we've heard these deathbed confession type things, right? So there's this old Scandinavian sailor. He was stinking up his deathbed in a Los Angeles hotel surrounded by the sour aroma of his illness and the dark odors of human misery. Gross. Dang, Warren. I know. Get some.

Now, his only friend was this young unpublished writer who sat solemnly near his semi-examination. rotting corpse. The old man feebly raised his gray head and leaned on a bony arm and a feverish fear glinted in his eyes. Death takes its time, he rasped. Take it easy, Olaf, whispered the young writer. Your doctor is going to be here soon. Forget the doctors, Olaf Hansen hoarsely said. There's no cure for old age, but there is still time to tell you about the giants. Maybe you can go there. someday. Where's that?

Willis George Emerson, this young writer, asks, The land beyond the North Pole where the giants live, said the old sailor. The world that exists inside of the earth. As Olaf Jansen waited for death, he told of a strange world inhabited by giants and mythological creatures. He and his father had entered the hollow earth through an opening at the North Pole. They had sailed the northern seas in this tiny little fishing boat. and when a strong wind drove the northward,

they just decided to test and see that the stories of their ancestors were true. Ever since the Scandinavians have sailed out of their fjords in their long warships and fishing vessels, seaman have talked about, quote, that land beyond the north wind, which I thought was what it was called when you're eating it from the back

and utilizing the perineum as a chin rest, but Janssen claimed that he and his father had sailed into this bizarre world, that the giants were friendly and that they lived there for two years, that there were marvelous wonders inside the earth. Then the dying soldier told of how he was dwarfed by his amiable host, this race of super giants.

They're not just fairy tales, Olaf Rasps. They live down there like it says in the Bible. They live for five or eight hundred years before they die. They taught us their language. What kind of world is it? Ask this incredulous rider. They're much more advanced, Hansen said. They possess a mysterious power greater than electricity. This power source

enables them to operate aircraft by drawing fuel from the atmosphere. The giants in the Earth's interior are warmed by a single sun, less brilliant than our solar star. They call it the smoky one, or the smoky god. Then the writer asked, so how did you get out? Ah, you know, we got homesick after a couple of years, even in paradise, without friends and relatives. The giants allowed us to sail home, and on the return ship, the small boat was tossed by the giant waves, and our compass was lost, and we drifted for a long time until we were pulled into the south opening at the south pole. And back on the surface world, we steered northward toward home.

Now, tragically, an iceberg struck our fishing boat, killing my father. Olaf was tossed from the deck onto the frigid waters. I mean, what an adventure this guy was, right? Folks just seemed tougher back that man. Oh, he's crusty as shit. I love it. Yeah. And so old sailor claimed that his luck was with him

and that he was rescued by a passing vessel and that they returned him to Norway. But the writer asked, but you didn't tell somebody about your adventure? The world would be excited to hear about this, which is a fair question and a reasonable thing to assume. But let me ask you, Joe, what do you think would happen if somebody came out with this story today?

Oh, they'd be laughed out of the hospital ward. I mean, I love it when you get these, like you said, these deathbed confessions of people that they didn't want to say anything until they know they're about to kick it. Yep. Like, why? Oh, because you'd be laughed at or whatever. I think that's changing, though. A lot of people are coming out, especially with like NDE stories and things like that. they're coming out and being like, I don't care if you laugh.

This is what I experienced. So I wish more people will do that, not just these crusty Scandinavians. By the way, is there a different name that people have over there besides Olaf? Or is it just Olaf and Anders? Olaf and Anders, I think that's it. Okay. You get those two. And you just flip a coin and pick between the two.

It's like a, what do they call the gender reveal parties where there's only two genders ideally and they get one color or the other. And so when you show up, they have those two names represented. and they pop and see which name you get. But that was my biggest mistake. The old man replied, his voice low and bitter. I told them about the interior land on the ship, and they thought I was crazy.

Olaf kept insisting that he wasn't making up stories, and when the ship docked in Norway, he was taken off and placed in a mental hospital for the bat-shit insane. He spent the next 24 years in a lunatics ward, and Janssen claimed that he entered the asylum as a strong, spirited youth and he left as an embittered broken middle-aged man. Damn. Poor guy.

So yes, I think today you would, you'd be able to talk about it. But back then, they just chuck your ass in a hospital because they, is that the way of controlling the information or do they really think this guy was nuts? Well, you know what's funny to you though? It was like back then they didn't have, what year was this again? Supposedly, whatever. So Emerson inherited the manuscript maps and published in the original edition of the Smokygon on 1908 and it was reprinted in 1965.

Oh, okay. So, yeah, even back then, though, like, all you had was stories, this oral tradition thing because you didn't have a whole lot of pictures or, like, other, you know, physical evidence of these things, even Admiral Bird, like, do we have any pictures from that? We just have his diary, which I find suspect. If you actually listen or read his diary, it sounds like early sci-fi. It's weird. Yeah, his son came out with it after he died.

But now, what do we have now? We have AI. Stick around for plus. But we have AI where it's, you can't even believe anything you see online anymore. The boomers do, obviously. But you can't, like, oh, we have evidence of the ice wall in Antarctica. And you look at it, you're like, it could be AI. I don't know.

Like, it's hard to tell anymore. It's very hard. And if not damn near impossible, man. Because sometimes I'm like, oh, that's pretty, oh, shit. It almost got me. I mean, if you see a cat playing a fiddle on top of a cow, probably AI. What? does a, you know, a real easy tip there.

But when it's just somebody, it does have that uncanny valley though, you know? Yeah. Like every once in a while, you're like, that's, that's really cute. It's a really cute cat or a dog or something, but there's something off about it. Especially when it comes to human videos, they just don't have it yet. But no. When you're seeing landscapes or weird structures, like the Tartaria community, oh my God, don't get me started. It is flooded with AI of the.

these supposedly old buildings and shit. And it's like, that doesn't, that's AI. Like, and it just muddies the waters and makes it even more unbelievable. And maybe that's just the, the modern iteration of, you know, muddying the waters and being like, you can't believe any of this because look at all this bullshit that's out there. Yeah. It makes you a better research, I hope. Just because you, you know, just ask better questions.

And then because the water is so muddy, then it's like, is anything certain. Can you determine anything? But that you're in muddy water. I know. That's all that we're here to determine. And then it gets you into this kind of nihilistic, like postmodernist perspective. Like, nothing can be known ever. It's like, well, I don't agree with it.

But fuck, I mean, kind of. But shit. But Olaf told him that he had a manuscript of his adventures. So he wrote it down. He had a whole manuscript. And he even drew the maps of the land that he claimed existed in the inner world. He kept these things with him during his whole 24 years in this. mental hospital and he vowed never to show them or tell anyone again.

So it was only on his deathbed that he felt comfortable. He's like, yeah, no, I see the grim reaper knocking. I got people I know are dead visiting me in the afternoons, you know, yeah, I'll go ahead and tell this guy. Yeah, and it was just DMT releasing in his brain and he's just hallucinating, right? Right, right. That's what happened, yeah. But he said that he wanted to stay free, and so he kept his mouth shut.

And after his release, Jensen worked as a seaman, and he saved his pay, he immigrated to the U.S. He settled in a small town in Illinois for moving to California, and Jensen believed that California was the paradise he described it to be. I got news for you, buddy. Well, the land is gorgeous, yes. The land is absolutely gorgeous. But before his death, he shared more details about his adventures in the land of the giants with his friend, Willis George Emerson. Again, Emerson inherited this manuscript in 1908, and it was reprinted in 1965.

I did go ahead and find this. It is linked if you guys want to check it out, the Smoky God of Voyage to the Inner World. It is couched as a novel. So it's one of these like, oh, no, it's just a fictional story, but it's got a bunch of real shit in it. Didn't that what Mike Adank did? He wrote like a six-book series on fiction, but he's got all that astro theology in it. Yeah, it's an encoded astrothiology fiction series. That's right.

It's still worth a read. Yeah, shout out. Absolutely. Now, as people near death, they often confess their sins and secrets seeking to cleanse their souls before meeting the almighty God there. And Jensen's story is bizarre and unsupport. by factual documentation, but still cool as shit. And while maps and manuscripts can be created by writers, Emerson maintained that Jensen was a real person and not a figment of his imagination.

Those who believe in Hollow Earth argue that a dying man wouldn't spend his last moments spinning imaginary lies. So what do you think? It's hard to tell. Like, why not? Like, maybe he was a world-class troll and he's just like, you know what? before I go out, I'm just going to spin this yarn just to fuck with people. It's not off the table.

Maybe it was actually insane. You know, the insane part was true. I don't know. It's one of those things, though, that you could see being completely plausible, though. If you took it at his face value and said, you know, this dude did see something incredibly told people about it and they locked him up because of it. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. I mean, they say that there's, I don't know the numbers, but apparently it's very frequent that in mental insolable.

institutions people claim to be Jesus. Oh, yes. This comedian did this year. Exactly. That's what I was thinking of this comedian that's like. So there's a real possibility that Jesus has come back tons of times. And we just lock him up in a padded room. He keeps getting locked up and lobotomized. Yeah.

He's like, I don't want to go down there again. No, you're not sending me down there again. He's like, dad, I'm done. I'm not going back there. This sucks. People suck. Fuck this, dad. There was this Albert McDonald, this English occultus.

he was president of the Hollow Earth Society. And he believes that mariners have returned home with astonishing tales of other worlds, including strange lands, disappearing lands, sea serpents, uncharted landmasses, and unexplained ocean phenomena. And he argues that the ancients knew that the earth was hollow

and that an unwary ship's captain could sail over the polar rim and down into the inner earth. So allegedly that's what the whole sailing off of the edge of the earth was all about. It wasn't that they thought, it was flat and they were done, they knew that you would sail into the poles if you didn't watch out. Oh, so the edge of the earth is just the anus. Yeah. The sphincter there.

Yeah, the balloon knot of the earth. Yes, the surface world. Now, McDonald believed that the, that legends and myths from ancient times often contain clues about the interior lands, their inhabitants, plants, and animal life, which we are going to go over. He explains that the ancients believed in underground. kingdoms and listened seriously to the accounts of godlike beings, these fabled cities of gold, subterranean tunnel cities and strange animals. I love this shit. I love, because it makes you feel like there is frontier left.

You know, that whole like Truman show, oh, it's all been discovered, it's all been discovered, it's all been fit. No, it hasn't. And this is awesome. It gives you hope, huh? It does give me hope. Yes, thank you. Now, McDonald dismisses these stories as folklore, but argues that they're actually the

invisible history of mankind, which folklore is often viewed as. like an invisible history. He also believes that the earth is shaped like a sexy donut with openings at the north and south poles which lead down into the lands inside the earth. I knew it. Exactly. He explains that there are magnetic aberrations

in the compasses as you approach the poles and that some explorers lost their bearings in return with stories of unusual animals and lush plants and mosquitoes where there should be none at all. One solution is that these men had gone too deep into the hollow earth or found things

washed up from the interior worlds which that's got to happen too. They find shit washed up that they can't explain, right? Hollow earth believers claim

that the Arctic and in Arctic have been visited by people who have found things in the inner oceans. And occasionally, a sea serpent may swim

to the surface oceans, which are sighted by passing ships, but science dismisses such animals and dismisses the sightings altogether. Gravity is another one

of these puzzling phenomena like we talked about, almost like everything's Not everything's explained by it, huh? It's linked to a solid Earth core, but few people understand what gravity really is. Even in today's, quote, advanced scientific age. This Albert McDonald said that gravity is centered in the shell or the rim of our planet,

holding us in place on the outer surface and the interior land in place. Sort of like Haley said, or sort of like they came out a few years ago and said that the Earth's gravity is on the inner shell, not as far down as we thought. They've admitted this. And that it's more of a wave. isn't that true too? Right, right. Now, he also has an easy explanation for the polar lights,

the Aurora Borealis and the Aurora Aurora Australas. Science has never come up with a satisfactory explanation for these magnificent skylights. They're possibly caused by electrical or magnetic storms at the poles, but McDonald and his companions believe that they're a reflection from the sun in the interior of the earth called the smoky god by Olaf Jensen, which is kind of neat. Now, light from the inner sun is emitted through the polar openings, and it bounces off of the atmosphere there, and it's reflected back down on the icy regions, creating these unusual lights.

Things sorted. It's easy. And during his reign, his emperor of Rome, Nero had depleted the state treasury with depraved projects. He commissioned sculptors to build statues of himself with his wiener out and employed thousands to construct a small ocean in his palace party room. And when filled, he launched a fleet of... of ships and his guest enjoyed life or death sea battles between terrified slaves, dude. And I was thinking about the antagonist on Pee Weirman's Big Adventure movie. Remember that?

With a bathtub and he was an asshole. Anyway, it's kind of like this, yeah. Maybe that's what that inspiration for that character came from. That's crazy. He built this huge ocean inside this coliseum that he had. Then he would make slaves fight to the death in this thing while people watch. I mean. Like a gladiator coliseum, but on water.

Everyone's got to have a hobby. Man. Any doodle. That regal-ass behavior disturbed the Roman citizenry and angry mobs demanded Nero's stupid head. His dickitude uninterrupted, though, he ordered his asides to start a state-sponsored circus with endless gladiator fights and matches against wild beasts to satisfy the people's bloodlust. Bread and circus. Imagine how that would go over in 2026. I could actually see a great deal of folks signing up for it, honestly.

I don't see how we don't have death battles. I just meant the internet outcry would be insane. I mean, even the ratings. Bull fighting, it's pretty fucked up. Like, I had no idea as a kid. No, bullfighting is fucked up. But putting man against man on one, you know, to the death. You know, because I'm like you.

I don't fight a defenseless animal and they beat it up before. Yeah, but you get them like swords and, you know. But yeah, no. Bullfighting is really strange. And like, why did you? Oh, it's awful. Like, what? Yeah.

So I don't have a problem with them ending that. Because I had no idea, like I said, as a kid, that they, they, like, basically torture this motherfucker and then kill it. The cartoons just show a guy with a red sheet, you know, that's like, oh, look, it missed me again. That's what I thought bullfighting was. No, it's way darker. Yeah. It's gross. It's fucking gross. No, bueno, amigo. All right? You know who I'm talking to out there. Now, the Roman Empire was almost bankrupt by lavish spending.

So Nero called his financial advisors to the palace for a conference demanding new funds. Bring me the money, he said, you motherfuckers. They suggested an expedition to North Africa, where there were all these stories of an enormous cavern with these endless rooms filled with treasure. And Nero asked, what sort of treasure? And they replied that it was gold and jewels and precious metals and rubies and shit, man,

and enormous caskets crammed with rare jewels, man. A fucking treasure, man. Now, they also said that no one knew where the entrance to the tunnels was located. Nero, though, then ordered a legionaire expedition to seek these riches. And as the empire needed more funds for this project, and the mobs must be appeased with their contests in games,

a detachment of Roman legionnaires was sent to North Africa to find the legendary treasure tunnels. Nero commanded them to find the treasure and to ship the valuables back to room. Go get it, bring it back home, boys. Until his suicide in 68 AD, Nero financed the search for the tunnels. The soldiers pursued endless, stories about an entrance in the mountains by the sea or in cities.

Albert McDonald, he researched the expedition and he said that the tunnel entrance was always located in another place. So they just kept sending this Legionaire group around Africa to throw them off. Yeah. Frustrated but believing in the treasure, the Legionnaires were recalled to Rome by Nero's successor. I mean, but I thought it was fascinating that Nero still sent this whole Legionaire out on the tail, you know, sort of a killer. It reminded me of that.

We're going to get to that. Fables of hidden treasure in Africa have intrigued many a wanderer. There are the legendary minds of King Solomon. You know, do they exist or was he simply bringing treasure from the tunnels? I don't know. He had like 400 wives, though, so. Yeah, he was doing something right. Bitches love gold.

The riches were supposed to be beyond comprehension, but no traces remain of where the metals were scooped from the earth. Or it could just be a metaphor of getting one shit together, too, guys, you know. Now, another legend claims Aladdin. Remember that fucking guy? He entered a treasure cave with an African magician, hot. A whole new world. Yeah.

Yes. Could have been a living person that returned from these subterranean vaults. He found something down there, a power represented by this genie in the lamp, by this object that then gave him whatever he wanted. Now, for centuries, occultists have maintained that Egyptian pyramids contain many secrets. And stories of hidden vaults and times. underneath the pyramids defy rational explanations. Many scientists condemn these claims, but there is an exclusive quality about the pyramids that defies science.

These claims of secret shafts, hidden tunnels, and undercrowned entrances into the interior rooms should be easily disproven by modern technology, right, Joe? You'd think. You'd think. But haven't they recently? But this book was written, 77 is when this was printed. So, I mean, they do have that huge member of those Italian dudes talking about that there's this massive fucking thing in the pyramids. And then they're talking about these are entrances to inner earth.

I say also that the sphinx neck is hollowed out, but a plug conceals it. Egyptologists believe that there was no entrance into the sphinx until Robert Wilson's 1803 expedition who suggested an underground pyramid. Another tunnel is located in the body leading to a shaft underneath the sphinx. and a large hall was discovered, and there were two rooms in the head, and five secret chambers and six tunnels led to an underground area under the pyramids. The ancient Egyptians forecasted the Nile floods, and they observed the hell out of the heavens. A Roman historian, this guy called Marsilinius, claimed that the ancient Egyptians had secret rites, and these underground passages, they led to these vast interior chambers.

Now, Albert McDonald, president of the Hollow Earth Society here, believes that the Sphinx statue is connected to the pyramids through a secret tunnel. However, Egyptologists like Suki Zawas, have ridiculed these theories. Of course he has. Did a whole show on that, motherfucker. Yeah, you did. Fuck that guy. Albert McDonald believe that the mystery of the pyramids would be solved when they planned to x-ray the pyramids with computerized records of cosmic x-rays reaching the interior there. The 6 million ton mass of stone was x-rayed on magnetic tape, don't you know, Joe?

77 remember. Cosmic rays should record uniformly the bottom chamber if the pyramid is solid, but the secret chambers would reveal them. Scientists discovered that natural laws don't apply to the pyramids. And Dr. Arm Gohead told reporters in 1969 that the cosmic ray recordings defied all known laws of science and electronics. This is scientifically impossible. Dr. Gohead revealed.

Don't you love it when they say that? This is scientifically impossible. I do, because they keep saying that, don't they? Maybe they just need to, like, stop thinking everything's the way science thinks it is. Just be open-minded. The science is settled, Brandon. Oh, it's so settled, right? Yeah.

Now, has our scientific know-how been rendered useless? Inquired this reporter who was asking. And welcome to the party pal, because this reporter was even sitting there go, but you're scientists. What do you mean? We're supposed to look at new stuff and ask questions. What do you? Yeah.

Why are you firmly planting your heels in this narrative when there's other things out there? Right. The reporter was like, is there some force beyond man's comprehension? And he said, is it a pyramid's geometry is an error or there is a mystery beyond explanation? And he called it occultism. The curse of the pharaohs, sorcery or magic. but there's a force that defies science. Albert McDonald and his followers believe that the force is powered by the inhabitants of the

subterranean lands, and McDonald declared that all of man's history has been written down and deposited in these vaults beneath the pyramids, which will remain in secrecy until the, quote, masters deem us legit. Until scientists provide an accurate report on the pyramids, pyramidology will continue to be a wild subject for cultists, theorists, and believers in Hollow. earth. Joe, what do you think about a subterranean metropolis? Especially now, I think it's totally, it's not only doable with enough funding, but probable. And I would lean more towards yes. I mean, there's plenty of, you know, examples of people

living underground or even in the distant past, you know, caves or whatever. But as far as like a full on, like it looks like a city. I don't know what it would look like. It's not like we have pictures of this, but it could look pretty similar with streets and shops and all that stuff. It would just probably be kind of dark, I would imagine, unless they have a sun simulator down there, which, again, some alternate means of energy or light,

which we may get into, which sounds really cool and doesn't need to be as harsh. Almost like the folks that are picking the old school halogen bulbs over the new LEDs. You know, it's this kind of idea. It's a softer, warmer, more naturally occurring light that everybody has access to. down there and it powers everything. That's one of my wife's pet peeves is that clinical blue LED light. Yeah, they've come

a long way with like making it warm. They call it the warm LEDs and it's a little more yellow. But they're still putting out those frequencies and pulsing the entire time. Have you seen on slow-mo cam they're pulsing constantly? Fuck on. Oh yeah. Imagine what that's doing to your brain. Pass. I will not imagine that, Joe. Now in an article in Search Magazine's January

in 1967 issue, author George Wagner Jr. discussed caverns, caves, and tunnels in America. And he also published an intriguing report of a vast subterranean metropolis on the West Coast. So it's right there by you, bro. We can go check the shit out. Well, I just covered that story of the underground world

right at the end of last season. And one of them was, yeah, I was down, I think, Death Valley or somewhere down there. But, yeah, this whole underground thing where there is all this treasure. There's always treasure, you know, because Indiana Jones. But yes.

And it's funny how these things just get swept away kind of, like, oh, it's a legend. It's a myth. Don't even go looking. It's out in the middle of nowhere. And anybody who has actually probably gone out there to investigate probably gets disappeared or dies. Or makes it to the inner earth and lives a happy-ass fucking life and doesn't want to leave, which we're also going to talk about. Yeah. They say that maybe Percy Fossett we're going to get into it.

Okay. Okay. Now, his account read, this George Wagner Jr. here, his account read in that article, quote, A correspondent told me about a splendid city about 75 miles northwest of Portland, Oregon, between Portland and the Seattle Earth Faults. It was buried deep where the earth once flooded. The informant's name was this Azerland, and he said that the city was eight or ten miles underground. He said that it's a coastal city with a fine harbor, that it boasted over a million inhabitants, and that it had an excellent spaceport.

Okay, so if we go with those numbers again, right, eight or ten miles underground, if you can only get to or dig to seven, or the deepest hole will only take you to seven, just beyond that about a mile or two or three, is allegedly this other city. And it's a coastal city, so we're talking that then the coast would be

just down on the other side. Yeah. And you think a couple miles isn't that far horizontally, but vertically is, that's a long fucking way. That's a long way, dude. Yes, completely agree. Now, this construction laborer called Louis Schaummers, he described encountering a, quote, thing while working alone in a tunnel under the Thames River in London in 1969. First of all, I probably wouldn't take that job.

Alone in a tunnel under the Thames River. Yeah, pass. He said something brushed against the back of his neck. I saw something the shape of a man in the tunnel I did. It stretched its arms as if trying to escape or grab someone. I didn't see more details. I just ran. And another worker, this George O'Brien came out of the tunnel one day.

He was pale and he told Colin Cobb that he had seen a figure down there. And O'Brien drank a large drink and he quit his job. And we haven't seen him since. Irishmen have always talked about subterranean people, fairies and elves, you know. However, this Tom McGee reported that this thing wears a brown overcoat and a cap, and he said some of the boys said that it was a robe. Perhaps it was the ghost of someone buried like centuries ago, and I'm sure ghosts go underground too, huh?

Why not? Yeah. Why not? Time slips, right? If anybody's been walking in this thing, if it's just time slip, they could be down there. Now, in 1770, an English laborer was digging underground when he heard a strange noise behind a large stone. He pried away the stone and he saw a stone stairway then leading down into the earth.

Intrigued, of course, he walked down the stairway and entered into an enormous stone cavity. The cavity had smooth walls and a level stone floor and several enormous machines. A mysterious light illuminated the room. The astonished labor was inspecting a room when a robed figure dashed around along an aisle. that he was looking down. Now, this strange subterranean being held this metallic wand, and he had an angry look on his face. Terrified, the laborer dashed back up the stairway,

and he slammed the stone back over the door entrance there. And McDonald also admitted there that there's nothing more known about this account, but the laborer may have kept his mouth shut until he was safely away from the tunnel and just didn't want to tell somebody about it. The tunnel workers around Staffordshire weren't eager to explore that cavern as well. They just knew something was awful. about it but Joe could there be a civilization in earth's interior this ageless land hidden from

humanity maybe that's where st germane gets out to and like yeah reloads and recharges himself and then comes back up yeah and you know i mean could the hollow worth just be a another dimension that coexist with ours you know that once you reach this reach this sort of energetic barrier maybe it's we picture it like haley did or these matrishkadal type things but maybe it's again all one geographic area, but you shift energetically to something else. So it didn't necessarily have to be physical, but it'd be bullshit if it was. The idea with the multiverse theory is that everything is kind of stacked. We have to think of it spatially like 3D because that's how we operate, but these stacked realities, but they're just outside of our phase. I've mentioned that a bunch of

times. And another great show to watch called Dark Matter on Apple TV also. And they deal with this exact thing, this like putting a human in superposition. And they visualize it as this long, endless hallway, and there's doors everywhere. But the door you go through is based on what you're thinking about and your emotions at the time. So they'll open a door and it's like a barren

wasteland. And they're like, nope, not that one. So they got to, it's not like you have to walk. You could shut it and probably open it back up again, but you have to literally use your consciousness to create the world that you want. It's a deep show, but it's put in, I mean, it's great cinematography,

great story. That's awesome too. Yeah, that same exact idea, though, that there's every possibility exists all at the same time. It's basically what you do with it or how you react, I guess. Man. And maybe that's scalable. Maybe this is exactly what's going on here too, you know? And especially with the thoughts in your own mind, you could choose to close that door and do a different thought or be in the present moment and not open any than damn doors at all. Yeah, and they do that on the show where they'll shut it and be like, okay, basically they meditate ahead of time.

They're like, we have to like envision, imagine all the people type of thing. And then open the door and they're like, ah, awesome. This is, I'm back to my world now, you know. Yeah, for the clarity. Man, that's brilliant. I love it. Dark matter you say. All right.

Yes. Full of the references. I know. Sorry. No. No. So the real question is, would discovering such a world, you know, be a monumental discovery. Or would it lead to a terrible era?

Would all the people on the surface world, like, if this was known, We weren't locking up folks. Like if it just could not be ignored that this was what was occurring. Would it be a great thing for us? Or do you think the cartels are trying getting down there and slung them some dope? But what's up? Well, to quote dark matter again, it's basically everything good would come, but also the equal amount of not so good would come from it because people are people.

So, yeah, it's like any technology or innovation or anything. It's like, yes, this is a great advancement. and then you find out, oh, it was utilized for some nefarious purposes. Hey, I. Like, that's going to happen. Excuse me. Yeah, that's going to happen no matter what it is. It's a balance thing, yeah.

And yeah, maybe this is what happens. And the shift from 3D to 5D is us figuring this out. Some of us get invited into the inner shell to 3D. Some of us stay up here on 5D. And then the monsters that were in, the inner shells get sent out here. And then it's little hell on earth because then all of that's attempting to be integrated. But it's sort of like the surface, comes Australia for folks of all of their lands.

They just dump everybody here and say, good eye, Mike. Good luck. But that's it. Join us for Tuesday's show where we're going to dive into the holes at the poles and the expeditions that claim that they have been there or near there because technically nobody's been to the North Pole and we're going to talk about it. As we continue this hollow earth saga. Hell yeah.

I can't wait. How many parts is this? Do you even know? I don't even know yet. No, we have so much to cover in this. So I don't, honestly, I don't know. I know it's more than four. Get signed up, guys.

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Boom, we just have fun. And I guess there's a new model, I think Open AI put it out called Astra. And as soon as they released it, it just went haywire. but I never know what haywire means with AI it's like what did it do like my phone still works I guess my card worked at the store earlier

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