Mysterious Universe - 36.13 - MU Podcast - MU Interviews - Charlie Robinson - 002

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

Welcome back to Mysterious Universe! This week we are joined by author, podcaster, and owner of Activist Post Charlie Robinson! We go over his newest book and talk about his perspectives on a depopulation agenda, who might be behind it, as well as potential solutions. Join us for a darkly fascinating topic that isn't covered in too many places! Then for Plus+, we continue the conversation and just get weird! Charlie tells us about his personal experiences of seeing the "grid", a little bit of hollow earth/Denver airport talk, and of course, hackable sex bots. This is an extension you don't want to miss! MACROAGGRESSIONS The Octopus of Population Control The Octopus of Global Control The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire Hypocrazy: Surviving In A World Of Cultural Double Standards Activist Post LinksPlus+ ExtensionThe extension of the show is EXCLUSIVE to Plus+ Members. To join. click HERE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mysterious Universe, season 36, episode number 13. We're going to go ahead and interrupt our regularly scheduled saga here for a cool interview that we did with a cool guy named Charlie Robinson. And he's awesome, and we had a blast. Joe, would you think about that? Oh, it's always fun to get together with Charlie. I think we mention it, but he's been a long time, you know, podcasting friend and just a legend and book writing and podcasting himself and just an all-around,

cool, very intelligent guy, very well spoken. And I mean, he has stories for days. He didn't even get to 1% of the stories this guy could tell that I was going to ask him about, but maybe next time. But what did you think about it? We'll save it. But we have plenty to talk to him for next time. It was just awesome. Of course, we originally got him on for his new book, The Octopus of Population Control,

which is a follow up to his book, The Octopus of Global Control. He has four books total. They're all going to be linked down below so you guys can check it out as well as macroaggressions. his website, his podcast, all the stuff. Like Joe said here, we've known him for years and just an awesome dude to get on pattern interrupt and hang out and talk about some really cool shit. In the free bid here, we talk about his books up top and his podcast career, how he got into that.

Anarchy, first of all, because we need to figure out what that means. We talked about the Stanford Prison Research Experiments, Global Population Numbers. So are there really 8 billion freaking people here? And why that matters? Also, empowerment and solutions from the man himself. And you guys, check out activistpost.com. It's going to be linked down there as well for incredibly cool solutions. And then definitely stick around for the extension.

We kind of continue our talk here with Hollow Earth. We talk about his experiments with DMT down in Anarchipoko on a beach, seeing some incredible stuff that you guys are not going to want to miss. Kind of peeks behind the curtain and maybe a simulation that we're living in here, which is fascinating. aliens and UFOs, Denver Airport, eugenics, and the alien hybridization program, as well as hackable sex robots from secret societies. So we got to get that in as well. So definitely sign up in the links below to get all of the extra stuff that we are doing.

You plus members are going to get picked up on the Hollow Earth series with Part 4. We're going to get to some really cool stuff and start digging down deep with Part 4 on Tuesday's episode. So you guys sign up in the links below not only to get the extension of this conversation, but also to hop up. on the cool sagas that we're doing over there. Yeah. And it's so funny because when I first met Charlie, he was much more kind of geopolitical. But ever since then, he's, you know, hanging out with a lot of the people we talk to. He's done different, we'll say experiments in his life and really come around to like,

wow, there's way more going on than I could have ever even known. But his lane is kind of this, like he said, the octopus, the global. He actually brings up to what he thinks the they is, you know, when everyone says they are in control. He breaks it down to two different camps. I can't remember if that's in the free or the plus. And it kind of makes sense the way he explains it. So looking forward to sharing that with everybody. And also, if you are only on the free feed, stay tuned next week for a really interesting saga I'm going to be doing.

Oh, shit. Probably two, maybe three episodes. But it's going to be fun. I've been working on notes for that. Stick around. Okay. All right. Joe's got a saga.

I'm stoked. Let's have. I'm ready for this, man. That sounds amazing. We guys enjoy this interview with Charlie Robinson. And of course, sign up in the links below to support your favorite show, get a higher bit rate feed, get more than two thirds of what we're doing here, extra, as well as the extension to this conversation with Charlie, which you're not going to want to miss.

All right. So without any, do we have more ado? I think that's all the do. All right. Screw the ado. Let's get to this thing with Charlie. Robinson. It's a fucking great time to be alive.

It's insane. The barriers to entry have been lowered considerably for stuff like this. Yeah, but it's made folks like us who have been doing it for a while really appreciate that and still not like still be able to do the job more rewarded with ease of logistics rather than being bogged down in minutia. But then folks just coming in are getting less bogged down in minutia so they're getting less skill acclimated. Yeah, you almost need to have that early stage of fuckups where you, you, you're, you

dial it all in and now you know what you're doing. Joe just did a thing on, what was it, the source code? Is that what it is called? The skill code, yeah, this book that he talks about how, especially with AI, it's just been being outsourced everything. I mean, and it's, it's not that people can't do it. Like, my buddy's starting up a podcast and he's already miles ahead of where I was. But it's because that middle part of the desirable struggles, he called it, have been

removed. So now you can go straight from A to C. without the B in between. And it's... Gotcha. I mean, it's cool, but it does, like, how sustainable is that? Yeah, pretty wild. Well, we are sitting here with Charlie Real Deal Robinson.

It's so good to see you, brother. How are you, my friend? I'm great. It's been a interesting year. I'm happy that we are where we are right now, but it's been a crazy ride to get here. Truth. So much truth in that.

Well, bestselling author, a host of Macroaggressions, co-host of Union of the Unwanted in Day Zero. So many cool things going on with you. And Arcopoco, you're traveling all over the world. You're doing really, really cool shit. And we're grateful to have you. So all the ways, of course, guys, to find him, are going to be linked down in the show description.

Charlie, for those of you who are unfamiliar with how badass you are, so please, toot that horn. Tell us who you are. Well, I started off writing books, and that was my contribution to this whole thing. about what are you going to do about it? Real simple question my mom asked me back in 2015. I don't know.

What am I going to do about it? I wasn't going to do anything about it, you know, the things, the things that we've discovered that we've come across these interesting topics. But it really sort of started me thinking, well, if I did have to do something about it, what would I do? And, you know, I love documentaries,

but I don't have filmmaking skills or anything like that. And I thought, well, maybe I could write a book. I should write a book. You know, you know how people say, I'm going to write a book one day. And then they never do. And I thought, oh, I don't want to be that guy. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to decide I'm going to write a book, but I'm not going to tell anybody. I'm not going to tell my wife.

I'm not going to tell anybody. I'm just going to write, you know, because what if I don't finish it, right? Then I'm not on the hook. I don't have all of my friends. Hey, man, how's that book coming? Wow, I never, never really got around finishing. I'm not working on, Brian. Yeah.

That's a book. That novel. You don't want to, I don't want to set that expectation in case I didn't meet it. So I kept myself in the, I kept everybody in the dark about what I was doing for a while. And then about halfway through writing the book, my reasoning changed. I still didn't want to tell anybody I was writing a book. But this time it was because I didn't want anybody to tell me to stop because I knew I was on to something. I knew it.

And, and I couldn't, but it's tough to explain that to somebody. how are you going to sell this? You don't have a publisher, you don't have an agent. You don't know anybody. You know, there's a million reasons why this book shouldn't work. And I didn't really want to hear that. So I quietly wrote this book, published it August of 2017, and was promptly thrown out of the house by my wife

after she discovered this box with all these books with my face on the back. And she was angry because I was emotionally cheating on her by not telling her about the book. We worked it out. It would be better off as a huge box of porn. I mean, listen, there's a bunch of other directions this could have gone that would have been way worse. Okay, let's just say that if you catch your husband cheating, air quotes, cheating on you by writing a book, you go ahead and file that as maybe not the worst thing he's ever done. But anyway, I digress.

That started me down this path, writing this book, right? So I wrote this book and The Octopus of Global Control. and the thing that made it unique was it had 400, had hundreds of quotes from people who had a front row seat to some of the most important times, you know, in our modern history. And in doing that, in promoting the book, going out on other people's shows and talking about it, I developed quite a little rap. You know, I was able to explain it in a way I think connected with people. and one of the guys who I spoke with on his show was Tony Merkel from the Confessionals. And we got done recording. He said, my goodness, man, you need to have your own podcast.

And I said, well, yeah, you know, maybe. But like, you know, the engineering side of it, the back end stuff. I don't really love all that. And he says, well, you know, I do love all that. And I'm pretty good at it. And would you be interested in doing a podcast if I was able to take all that back end stuff off your plate? And I said, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, doing that. Yeah, that's a different story, right? So, so that became the conversation and ultimately the podcast macroaggressions, which started in March of 2020 for perfect timing, you know, right when COVID kicked off. I didn't. That's the first time I had heard about you. I don't know how I came across it, but I came across macroaggressions right about when you started the first five episodes maybe. Yeah. Those first five episodes for people who aren't into reading.

of all, I do recommend you get the book because it goes into quite a bit of detail and sourcing and all that stuff. But if you want to get a lowdown on the octopus of global control, first like what, five, 10 episodes of macroaggressions, you basically just break down the book. And it was great. Yeah. So cool. Links below, guys. Again, and that's Tony Merkel. He's so smart. He says, look, if you're going to do a podcast, first of all, when you roll out your first episode, you need to have five episodes in the can. Because if someone likes it, they're going to want to binge it and you want. And then you need to

deliver on a schedule. You do your monologues on Wednesdays. You do your interviews on Sundays. You miss a day. Everybody's going to assume you're dead. So don't do that. Be on schedule and deliver on time. And so I learned some pretty important lessons from Tony Merkel, I think, on the structural side of podcasting and things like that. And I got lucky on the timing. Well, he knows what he's doing. If nobody's familiar with Tony Merkel and the confessionals, what are you doing? Shout out. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's, you know, it starts with Bigfoot and good. ghost stories and things like that, but if you really want to scare somebody with an audio podcast, you've got to have the audio component dialed in. And luckily, he is that guy who wants to get it.

You know, so I had, I had great mentors and I had good advice from the beginning, and I had great timing. And so macroaggressions comes out and we, you know, I'm out here thinking that now I'm, I'm getting into the podcasting world, and I guess I was. And things started coming my way. an archipulco who was involved in that as a speaker at an arcoco i wrote a book with jeff berwick the founder of an arcapulco that kind of helps to get you in the door when you're buddies with the guy who owns the joint but um but that started us you know started me speaking in 2019 and 2020 and then over the years that developed into me just at one point they said do you want to just have the microphone and be the mc of the event and it's a five-day event you

know, and I said, sure. You know, I mean, I know all these people in the crowd anyway. Hey, I know all the people coming up and down on the stage. Might as well. These are my people. I love the messaging. I love the energy of the anarcho-for-for those who don't know, it's anarchy, Acapulco. Put them both together. You get Anarchapulco. The largest anarchist conference in the world happens every year in Mexico. The first 11 years in Acapulco this last year we moved it to Puerto Vallarta. It's going to be there from now on because it's just easier for people to get in and out of. But it's, it's a, you know, it starts with an anarchist movement, but really, if I'm being straight about it, it's a health and wellness conference at this

point, you know, because the most anarchist thing you can do is be in charge of your health and have that removed from the state and from the, from big pharma, you know, you have to take control that you have to be in charge of that. And this group, this, this group who's, against the government. They're against the government. They're pro-humanity, right? They want to, they're not waiting for the government to fix their problems. They're out there trying to fix the problems. And so, so it's not a stretch for it to move into the health and wellness area. So for those, for people who are interested in things like improving their, you know, their physical well-being, their mental well-being, networking, getting out of the government system, it's a,

it's a conference that will reinvigorate you. You'll go down there feeling very detached. Or if you just want to have a couple good stories to come back with, which for plus, we're going to get into some of your interesting stories from those conferences. Yeah. I love the live events for people. I mean,

provided it's the right live event that should go without saying. But to get around like-minded people or reconnect and remind yourself, hey, I'm not the only one out there. you feel very isolated for those of us who are into these topics, you know. You feel like not everybody understands where you're coming from and you meet somebody new. You have to start the conversation from zero. You know, if you go to these events, everybody knows where you're coming from, right? That you don't have to say, well, you know, look, I have this crazy thought that,

the X, Y, and Z. Like, they've already had that thought. There's a guy on stage talking about that thought right now and doing a workshop on it tomorrow. So like you're around like-minded people. So in that regard, it feels very inspiring. And it recharges your internal battery. And it sort of sends you off for the rest of the year, feeling like you're not alone.

So I started writing books. It turned into a podcast. I'm now doing, I'm now the emcee of a Narcopulco. I just got back from a couple weeks ago from moderating the World War debate in Nashville, Sam Tripoli's new debate league. So, like, I'm one step away from game show host at this point, guys. And I'm okay with that, by the way, because I love game shows. It would be a hell of a lot of fun.

But I am in this flow right now where I'm going, okay, say yes to that. Okay, schedule permitting, of course. Okay, so what kind of game show would you want to host? One more people get covered in goop if they get the wrong answer? No, but I did a game show with Johnny Vedmore, the first episode. I was on one side. Corey Hughes was, I was competing against him. And if I did, if I heard, what I realized was that Johnny was a better game show host than I would ever be.

I realized that right away. But I liked his, his was like, test your knowledge. It was, and, you know, you picked the topic. Mine was Operation Gladiow. Cori's was JFK. And Johnny asked these questions that, you know, because he has a deep research knowledge as a writer. and so he was asking great questions. What I realized is that I got to pick my area of expertise, which was gladio,

and I learned that I don't know anything about gladio. What is gladio? I got cooked in my own topic. The questions were so hard. I was like, honestly, I don't know. I wound up beating Corey in the end in the lightning round at the last, with the last question and beating him by one point. but it was an embarrassing performance on my end

of how little I knew about Gladio and here I was thinking I was going to come in there and cook him on it and that was not the case. Is this Operation Gladiow's Secret NATO coordinated stay behind network established during the Cold War to wage guerrilla resilience in the event of Soviet invasion? I've literally written, I've written chapters about it in my books and new ab less than zero in this thing.

I think I got one question right out of the whole thing. It's so complex, of course, to be fair, like to understand Gladio fully is to spend the lifetime studying it. So it wasn't like I, you know, it wasn't like some easy topic. But there's so much to know. But Johnny made it fun, you know, he had all the things and the dongs, all the music, all the sound effects that would go along with it and the clapping. And it was well produced. And I thought, I thought, I like this. This actually might be a good way for you to reach normies, right?

What if it was like, it was like super based game show, you know? Yeah. Like maybe a combination of like a Japanese game show, you know, where they don't have the insurance liability where they can do all kinds of crazy things, like have you fall through an elevator shaft, you know, but like a combination between a Japanese game show and a conspiracy test your knowledge. Oh, man. Oh, and you do it kind of in the style of the, uh,

style of the whitest kids you know with Trevor Moore and just kind of tongue in cheek but spitting spitting facts that'd be great totally totally like yeah when they do like the you know in Saturday Night Live is sometimes funny when they do like the spoof on Jeopardy

right where they've got you know so you could you could do it actually you could make a game show that was real but you could also make a game show that was just fake enough that you couldn't tell if it was real and you could have Eric Hallerbach come up and do Klaus Schwab Jr. and pretend to be one of the characters like they do in S&L

and one pretends to be Bert Reynolds and they're having fun with it. You know, you could give answers like him. That's amazing, Charlie. All right, let's do it. I'm on board. Where's the GoFund me? We'll be linking it. Anarchy. Let's talk about anarchy. What does anarchy mean for those out there who think that it's just the A with the circle around it that you drew for punk rock on your book when you're a kid? Yeah, it's one of those things that everybody is in agreement. with it until you hear the name. It's self-determination. Nobody has a greater duty to you than you. Nobody has a greater claim to your body than you. This is what people think anarchy means is no rules.

What it actually means is no rulers. And I think that there's a huge difference in that one little change in terms. These are not people. The anarchist movement, these are not people sitting around waiting for the government to help them. These are people that have rightly taken a look at the current system and they have made a calculation. It's not that the system is broken. Everyone says the system is broken. The system is not broken. The system, unfortunately, is working exactly as it was designed. The assumption is that it was designed to serve you, and it is not designed to serve you. What you need to, you, the collective, all of us, the group, need to get straight on is that the government hates your guts and wants you dead. And as soon as you understand that, things will make a lot more sense.

So what the anarchist community is doing is they're not looking at the system and saying, we need to fix this broken. system. They're saying, no, no, we're going to build outside of the system. We're going to build a parallel system, a different system, based on some of the fundamentals that you currently experience in your society. Some of them are fantastic. But without all of the government component of it, that can easily be removed, you know, people start to have this concept of like, well, what, if you remove the government, like, then what do you replace it with? What about my roads? If you, if you, if you remove it, if you remove it. a cancerous tumor, what do you replace that with?

Yes, I heard this the other day about voting for a new president. They're like, why are you voting to replace a cancer with another cancer? Yes. Right. So it's a paradigm shaker for most people. And it feels very much like it can't work. The truth is, it works better in small groups. You know, it can't actually work in America right now, anarchy.

we're in a low-trust society. It could work in Tokyo. It could work in Japan as a whole. It could work there in a high-trust society, potentially. But it doesn't really matter. The point is that people need to understand there's a different way at coming at living your life. If you're sitting around waiting, asking the state for permission to live your life, then you're missing the point. Like there's a, there's a, when we're growing up as kids, we're taught like, you need to follow the rules. You need to obey the rules. And I understand that. You know, I understand for social cohesion.

And I understand that sometimes the rules make sense and sometimes the rules are based on logic. But not all the time. And a lot. And sometimes these rules are so antithetical to humanity. They're so the opposite. of what you would do, that you have to break them. And in fact, I would suggest that some of the greatest crimes against humanity have been committed by people who are following rules, not breaking rules.

The rule followers are the ones who march you into the boxcars and line you up against at a ditch and shoot you. We're just doing our job, that type. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They gave double alcohol rations to the Einstein's grouping because of the absurdities that they were going to make those guys go through, right?

So we need to recognize that just because the state tells you to do something does not mean you have to do it. You need to run this through your internal filter. Your, you know, would you, I mean, I get into some of this in, in the books, but people know about the Stanford prison research experiments, and they know about the, you know, the guy who goes in the next room and they're cranking up the electrical shocks, and, you know, they've heard about this. They know that man, you know, that humanity is easily manipulated. It's embarrassing. You'd like to think that you're not. But you can convince 30% of the people to keep pushing a button and zap the guy in the next room.

until he dies. That's been proven. 30% of the people will continue to hit that button as long as you're wearing a white lab coat and holding a clipboard. You want to go over that authority? Yeah. Go over that for folks. Yeah.

So in the 50s and 60s, they were really getting into psychological conditioning. They were trying to check people and see, you know, if we put you in certain situations, how will you act? that Stanford ran this one called the Stanford Prison Research Experiment, right? And they said, we're going to take these people and it's going to be a two-week study, and you're either going to be a prisoner or a guard.

And the short story is it didn't make it two weeks. They had to shut it down after six days because the people participating in this, the people who were put into the category of guards, turned into psychopaths immediately, immediately, and started. torturing, berating, and being cruel to the prisoners. It happened. It just kept happening. And they just, they said, this is crazy.

We didn't know it would have. Stanford took a lot of heat for that. There are other tests that they've done over time where they've put, the one where they shock the guy is, is hilarious. I mean, it's terrifying and hilarious at the same time. because they tell you that the guy in the next room is hooked up to an electronic shocking device. And every time you push this button, he's going to get shocked.

And they convince the people to keep pushing the button. And they turn the knob just a little bit higher each time. And the guy in the next room, who's an actor going along with this, it starts screaming louder and then louder and louder each time. And then eventually stop screaming at all, implying that he's dead. and you think oh well if i was in that situation like i would like i would i wouldn't hit the button but and maybe you wouldn't in fact 70% of the people wouldn't do it but 30% would at 30 to 40% and it would and you could watch it because they filmed it and it's a it's another guy who's

an actor playing a doctor wearing a white lab coat and stethoscope and clipboard he say now you have to do it you have to turn you have to turn you have to have to crank the knob and push the button. Now, if you don't do this, we've wasted three days of research and all this. And you're going to do this. You're going to screw the whole thing up. And the guy's like, fine, fine, fine, okay, okay. They can berate you into doing it.

They were testing how easily coercible people are. And apparently 30% very. And that's all you need, really. The weirdest thing is that people, especially now, especially after the last six years or so, people are more aware of these psychological experiments and official CIA I mean you can go to MK Ultra

or Montauk or all of these projects that's more common knowledge than it's ever been and everyone still just kind of goes oh yeah but they don't do that anymore you know right yeah that's the assumption you make is that well this was this was in the past yeah I saw those videos but that's

uh you know that's in the 60s I mean surely that isn't happening today Right, right, right, please? No, it's not happening like that anymore, well, that we know of. It's happening on a mass scale all over the place. That's scary. It's pretty wild. So what do you think is the biggest thing with this?

So we know the psychological component is probably the largest thing, right? Because they manipulate the thoughts. They manipulate the minds. They manipulate decision-making ability, making folks feel like the decisions they made were their own. So what do you think is the biggest base? line thing that people can look at in their own lives to be actionable against these lizard turd octopus of population control nerds? Well, the first thing is if you are looking for it, you'll see it everywhere. If you're looking for the manipulation and the control and the

agenda, if you know what you're looking for, you can see. It's like putting the they live glasses on, right? It just lights up. Yeah. And so the best thing you can do is talk to people about it. But that's kind of the catch because if you go and volunteer this information, people are usually like, hey, man, no thank you. You have to have, yeah, it has to be in the right circumstance. So what I've found is that the best way to talk about this to somebody is to ask them questions. Hey man, what do you think about this? Because then it does a couple things. It allows you first, you get like a sort of an understanding of where they are if they go, oh, it's all nonsense.

You know, I can see, and it's this, it's fake. And you go, okay, good, okay, because now my conversation's going to be different than if you're like, what are you talking about? I don't know what. The fluoride stare, the eyes glaze over and they go, what do you mean? Everything is great. And it's not intelligence-based either. That's the thing. A lot of people maybe make a calculation.

Oh, well, I'll talk to this guy about it because this guy's smart and he's going to know what's going on. Not necessarily, right? It's not about intelligence per se. I mean, it could be. It really could be. I mean, it helps if you've got it. But I have a lot of smart friends who can't see it. You know, they can't.

And consequently, some guys out there who don't have a pot to piss in who can understand the whole thing, right? If only they could do something about it, right? If only they had money to place bets on, you know, because they can see it all unfolding. So it's not about how much money you have or how smart you are. I put this in the octopus book, the new one, I got into one of the tentacles being cultural. Cultural is a huge component about whether or not you see what you see. If you grow up in certain societies or certain religions or certain countries,

you don't see what somebody else sees. And therefore, your version of possibilities, what the world is, you know, what these people are, what these monsters are capable, is predicated on what your belief system, right? And so that's a huge factor here, because if you don't even believe that it is possible that there is an octopus out there that is trying to depopulate you, you're in a real bad situation.

You'll be the last person to figure it out, and you're going to walk into all these traps. So part of this has been like, trying to reach people on a variety of different levels and making this miscalculation that if I just lay out a logical case, that's all I need, right? I'll just say, here's the study, here's the quote of the guy saying we did it. Here's the smoking gun. Here's them confessing to the crime. Here's all this.

Lay it all right out there. And then you'll go, oh, I see it now. And how many times have you done that with somebody? and they don't see it. They don't see it. They can't see it yet, you know? So I'm trying to reach people in a variety of different ways. Straight up, here's the information, here's the quotes of them saying it, right?

Here's the link, here's the footnotes to the study referencing this. Here's the guys who dreamed up the whole thing and his membership and this secret society group. like here's all of this but sometimes people need to just feel it you know what I mean it's not facts it's feelings when they talk about people waking up that's what it is it's all of a sudden you see the world differently and you're like and then like you said you can't unsee it either it's that classic stereotypical red pill moment where you go oh oh no oh no oh I've been lied to like about everything and then and then you start going down the literal rabbit holes and you start seeing it everywhere like you said and then the the ones that

you talk to that are saying what what are you talking about that's cipher that's the loop that's they've either chosen that or they really they've seen it and don't want to see it and they just choose to ignore it and i'm starting to think those people might be happier in the short term at least but i i understand it i just don't respect it you know you because if you if you know the steak is fake. It's not a steak anymore as far as I'm concerned. But the interesting thing is, so some folks say that the matrix then, once you're out of the fake matrix where the steak is fake and you know that, once you get out of there, you're just eating slop and you're in these crazy submarine things running away from these

octopus robots, right? But that's just another matrix because then Zion is meant to be controlled and recycled every 100 years, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But meaning that you took yourself from a comfortable matrix of not not. knowing into a very uncomfortable world of knowing. So what's the incentivization for folks to want to unplug from that system and eat the slop and run away from the octopus robots? That's the problem is that the incentive structures are so wonky that it's better for them to stay in the matrix.

Right. Yeah. And you only come out if you're a sicko like us that you're just, you want to know because you just want to know. I'm offended personally that they lie to me. Yes, yes. Well, yeah, I do violate the four agreements on that one. I'm like, what?

Why? Why do I, why am I driven to want to discover what the truth is? Because they're trying to hide it from me, that's why. And how dare you? Like, if you were just, it's a good enough reason for me. You know, I don't know if you ever watch the Bulls documentary, the last dance on that. And Jordan would get himself all worked up about some player on the other team. That MFer said this about me in the paper and everything.

And he's, you know, I'm going to put it on him tonight, right? And then they'd interview the guy after the game. He's like, I didn't say any of that. Like, I don't know what he's talking about. And then they'd ask Michael Jordan, did he really? He might have. You're like, oh, okay. Like, but he just needed, he needed that edge.

He needed that frustrate. He needed that to get him angry enough to focus. And I feel similar. I'm not Michael Jordan. Don't get me here. But I need to be angry enough and about this. To sit down and write a book for a thousand. hours. I needed to be furious that those bastards in Scotland killed my friend Kev Baker and know that I'm going to

sit in front of this computer while the world goes by outside and miss four summers in a row to write this book because I have to do it because Kev Baker is dead in a hot. hospital room that they put him on a ventilator for because they injected him with a vaccine that they made him take because he was on the lung transplant list in Glasgow. You don't have a choice when you're on socialized medicine. And they forced him into it. And he told me, I don't want to do it. They're going to kill me.

And I said, I don't know what I can do. I don't know what I can do. I can write a book about it and go after those MFers and never. ever, ever forget what they did to people. Have millions of people around the world during that era and the insanity of that. And so, yeah, man, in the book, one of the tentacles is medical. And I get into it. And I'm not nice. And I shouldn't be. And we explore this. And I think people need to change the relationship they have with the pharmaceutical industry and with the medical industry in general. And if they get clear on where these institutes came from, the medical industry,

medical college industry, the pharmaceutical industry, they weren't always here. There's one family that was in charge of this. And they have a vested interest in keeping you very sick. And this is like, You know, it's one thing if you write a book about like how everything, it's all crazy out here, things are crazy. I did that. I wrote hypocrisy. Things are crazy. And it was a fun book. You know, I mean, it was frustrating and annoying that things were crazy. But they're so, so crazy that it was funny. This is the opposite of that. This was the book I had to pull away from on three separate occasions because it is so heavy when you're dealing with eugenics, depopulation. a very real thing. So I do say, like, I'm capable of writing books that are like funny,

like, you know, read it if you want to, whatever. This book is life and death. If you understand that they are trying to murder you and your family, it is life and death. It is maybe the difference between walking into one of these traps you can't get out of and not, you know, it is that serious. And again, I'm not trying to, it's not, sales pitch is not, I'm trying to scare everybody. But like, where is that line? It's scary. Okay. I'm not trying to scare you, but it's scary, all right?

But it's, I'm trying to be honest about it. Like, they are actively trying to thin the herd and here's how they're doing it. If you want to walk into that trap, knock yourself out. But if you want to avoid it and keep your. family out of it, you need to get educated on what it is. And this is not conspiracy theory. This is conspiracy analysis. I used to have that conversation with my older brother actually about how pharmaceuticals and blah, blah, blah. And his comeback was always, why would they want to kill you? There's no money in that. There's way more money in keeping you just sick enough to be a subscriber for

life. And that seemed to be the maybe the old model. Do you see where that's changed at all? And they've just switched it into high gear or in your view? Yeah, it goes to this Zabignew-Bersensky quote. And see, I kept the format for this new book, The Octopus of Population Control. It's the same format for that first octopus book, which means there's hundreds of quotes. And so there's the Brzezinski quote

where he talks about how, you know, it used to be easier to control a million people than to kill a million people. Now it's easier to kill a million people than to control a million people. Have a great day. You know? And you just, and you go, uh, okay.

Thanks. Great. You know, um, so what I discovered, you know, and, and, and I guess like, good news, bad news. Um, good news is I've, I think I've got a pretty good idea of who's behind this. Bad news is, it's two groups instead of one. and sometimes they work together, most of the time they don't. They're both trying to depopulate, but for two very different reasons. And so you now have to keep your eyes on not just one,

it's sort of a two-headed dragon, octopus, so to speak. and it's it's groups who you would recognize by name the retillions and the octarians it is definitely I knew it you know it might not be too far off from

for one of these groups one of these groups is most definitely of the belief that they are operating at the behest of some unseen entity. We are speaking to you actually in the middle of a hollow earth series that we have going on. In part four, guys, join us on Tuesday next week for part four. Sign up in the links below.

Keep that going and you're going to want to sign up for this extension because we still have a lot to talk about. But yeah, that's one of the big things is that maybe this inner earth ruler. There's a hollow earth, Charlie. Have you heard about this? That the earth is hollow. Absolutely. I've heard about it. Shambala's down there, Agartha, things are happening in that thing.

Allegedly the ruler of the earth lives down there, this rigged in Jepo. Of course. And he controls everything by about 1% of the population are 8 million people up here. So, you know, first of all, what are your thoughts on that? And then I do want to talk about population before we get to depopulation, what they say the numbers are, which you do cover in your book, which guys is linked below. So inner earth, ruler of the world controlling it from the surface. He's actually a lizard turd probably maybe. Eugenics is part of his big plan.

What do you think? Well, you know, I'm down for some hollow earth talk. For sure. You know, it's just one of those rabbit holes that I enjoy. I don't bring anything to the table. I don't have any special knowledge. I haven't read any obscure books. And I just am way into it.

Well, then that'll be a treat that we will say for the extension. We'll go into depth on some Hollow Earth with you in the back end of this. So again, sign up, guys. Go ahead. Yeah. As far as a group communicating with entities, the Sabatian-Frank group, that I identify as one of the two groups is, I mean, you could say that they're in it for the love of the game, the depopulation, you know, that they have, that their involvement in this is at, that they're working at the behest of something else. at something there is there is a belief system that is controlling them there is a feed the you know do what thou wilt sort of mindset

there is a um a destruction i so i i break it down sort of like this and maybe this will this will be helpful for people to to understand this. There's two groups. One of them are the wasps, the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant. No way. The ones that you would think of the roundtable, right?

The builders of society, the creators of systems, the enforcers of old order, the late 1800s, early 1900s, Milner roundtable, Cecil Rhodes, the Darwin, Galton, Huxley, all the people that you hear about when we hear about Darwinism, Malthus, Malthusianism,

the Fabians, the X-Club, the Rockefellers, the Carnegie's, J.P. Morgan's, Harriman's, Ford, Bushes. You know, these are the builders of industry, these white devils, you know, the northeastern guys, the banking establishment, all of the Rust Belt guys, the Kissinger Enterprise, George H.W. Bush's Enterprise Group, which was like a second CIA, the Vatican, the Operation Paperclip Nazis, the World Economic Forum. That's a pretty large group, right? If you think about all those guys, you put that as one category, one group, the wasps. And they are interested in eugenics, in depopulation for a different reason.

They are interested in, they build the systems. They want to maintain the systems. Getting overrun with population growth is a huge problem to them. So if you're going to set up multinational, you know, textile factories in Bangladesh, you need to keep a cap on that population. So they viewed this as managing the herd for their big businesses in keeping control of the governments by keeping. keeping control of the sizes of the population.

They were depopulating. But their reasons for doing it was to make sure that they, to manage the animal farm, to make sure that the systems that they built continued to work and benefit for their companies, right? The Sabatian Frankus are different. These are the destroyers of cultures, the ones who start wars.

They're into debt slavery. They're into actual slavery. They're the Zionists. They're the satanic Jews. the Chabad Lubvich group, the Wexner, Epstein, Maxwell Click, the Black Cube of Saturn Child Cult, the Greater Israel Project, the Khazarian name stealers and the Rothschilds.

Okay, that's the second group. They're on some crazy trip where they're simultaneously being guided by supernatural forces. They're trying to bring. around about a great third crisis to make sure that the entire world hates them and despises them. They're actively involved in a genocide. They're involved. I think people are starting to connect the dots between the Greater Israel Project and what's going on in Ukraine. And this group is behind all of that. So it was the epiphany for me was that I knew that. I knew that.

there was i knew the the i knew there was a depopulation agenda what i wasn't sure of and what i didn't discover until i got really down the rabbit hole in this book was that there's actually two separate groups participating in it and sometimes they work together like they did on nine eleven you know why because it benefits both of them that's interesting because a lot of people have a trait you know they say oh who's the they or who's the cabal and i've always said i don't think it's one group so great job pointing that out that it's like warring factions kind of but that brings up another one though like if you have the the group people that say oh they're harvesting our luge or they need us for these human batteries does that mean

the other group is the one that doesn't need that and that's why they're trying to depopulate or like do they need us and also not need us at the same time it depends on how you look at it i guess yeah that's a great question because then if they depopulate us and that screws up the batteries for the other family, so it kind of takes energy away from them. So they may want to just kill us off to spite the other family. So they don't have food. They don't always work together. You know, they have different interests.

But they both have come to the same calculation, is that their interests would be better served if there were fewer people. And so they have different ways of going about doing that, different reasons. for doing that. And when they do join forces, like on 9-11, you can understand why. Because if you're the WASP faction, you're going to get access to, well, your military industrial complex is going to make a bazillion dollars. You're going to get access to all the oil. You're going to get to redraw the maps for the oil companies. And you can keep that war going for a long, long time. If you're the Sabatian Frankis, it's the Greater Israel Project. It's seven countries in five years. It's,

we get to destroy one of our biggest rivals in Iraq, and then we can move on to all the other you, you know, we get to depopulate. We hate those people. Those people are the worst. We need to murder them. I mean, we need to get our ally America to do it for us, which is what they did. You know, it's a classic tactic of the Sabatian Frankis. They don't typically get their hands. They don't typically get their hands dirty. They manipulate others into doing it for them. So that's sort of like the hidden hand, you know, that's at work here. It's interesting to think that this is maybe then guided by an ancient entity that's around

here that they speak to, like a ball or a moloch or something like that, that they're offering blood sacrifices to that's guiding their decision-making and then their influence across the world. it could be these ancient energies, even Tulpa. So what do you think about this? An energy is guiding some of these folks's decision-making ability. Well, everybody knows about the Sabatian Frankus and their whole situation with their blood sacrifices

and sacrifices and things like that. And you may be tempted to think that the WASP faction was just sort of not all into that stuff. Well, that's the Bohemian Grove group, you know? And their cremation of care ceremonies and there is some nonsense going on there as well. So look, early on, my thought on this was, oh, that stuff sounds crazy.

It doesn't matter to me, right? And it does sound crazy. But the thing is that it matters to them. And so we have to pay attention to it. The fact that they do have these ceremonies, you know, it's easy to be dismissive and go, were they like burning like crosses or burning effigies of this? And it's like, yeah, as a matter of fact, yes, they are and doing all kinds of other crazy stuff too.

Oh, what, at Epstein's Island were they like doing ceremonies down in the base? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep, they were. It was awful. You know, so, you know, you can be dismissive of it as a normie and go, oh, get out of here with that ceremony stuff and everything. It is massively important to them. It is so, it is intergenerationally important to them.

The things be done a certain way or a certain date, you know, and or a certain moon. And you can, and we can inject all of our nonsense into it and go, who cares? Nobody, it doesn't matter. But they are being guided by something else. And they have been for a very long time. Now, whether we believe it or not is irrelevant. They believe it. And it's a big factor in their behavior.

And so to understand that is to understand them. Like if it's an actual entity or if it's just this bizarre tradition that they want to follow, either way doesn't really matter. They're still doing it. So you think of it however you want. So bizarre, man. What a world. What a realm.

So why do they say that there's 8 billion people on the planet? What's going on with that? Are there really 8 billion people on this bench? No. No. Why would you say that? I start the book off with this. Like, hey, hey, everybody.

How do we know there's 8 billion people? You know, because, and maybe there are, right? But who's delivering me this information? Well, it's like the least trustworthy groups out there. It's the United Nations and like Google. And you can't really get a handle on how many people there are. Right. So I didn't ever make claims that I know how many people there are.

I just said that there aren't a billion people in China and there aren't a billion people in India. I've heard you talk about that. Break that down why you came across that. Yeah. That's actually really interesting. Even though if you watch videos on social media, it appears that all one billion people in India are trying to get on a train at the same time. but the big cities are massively overcrowded, overpopulated in India, 100%. So, you know, if you're like, haven't you seen the videos of the rivers that are impenetrable

because there's so much garbage? Yes, all that is real. They claim to have 1.6 billion people there. And so I said, all right, well, let me take a look at, I actually reached out to Midnight Mike. I said, let's help me look. We started looking to see if we could find good sources for information. It took us hours. We could not find anything. It's very difficult to find accurate population numbers, especially in India. But what we did is, what I did is I took all the big cities, all their numbers from a variety of different factors and kind of averaged it out, figured out what it was, the top 100.

Then you looked at the next 300 smallest. And you get to a point with the numbers, if their numbers are to be believed, that in order for the 1.6 billion Indians to work, there's going to need to be, in addition to the 300 largest cities in India, there's going to need to be 100,000 cities, each with a population of at least 10,000 people in it.

and it's in in the rural areas. And it's just not possible. Right. So, okay. So they're lying. And I also pulled cell phone data. There's only like 650 million cell phones being used in India. So anyway,

there's, there's problems with their numbers. But my point in the whole thing wasn't to accurately figure out exactly how many Indians are in India or how many Chinese are in China. the Chinese similar, similar situation. They're lying about their population. They have had three famines and a 45-year forced one-child policy just in the 20th century. And you're going to tell me that you're, and a forced march from the fields to the cities.

You're going to tell me that your population quadrupled during that time. I am going to tell you that you are lying about your population. That's a good point. I forgot about that. have never been a billion Chinese people and there never will be. They are actually far below replacement. Their population is at 0.9. You need 2.1 to be right at baseline replacement level, right? Isn't Japan getting there too? Japan, South Korea and China, all of East Asia is in a demographic catastrophe right now. Yeah, they are all, South Korea is 0.7. I think Japan is 0.8

Oh, no. China's 0.9. very big, I mean, they're going to need robots because they're not going to have any people. Well, it's easy to make the world seem super overpopulated, especially if you're not from the U.S., and you visit New York and then you visit Chicago, and then you visit L.A., and then you visit Dallas, Fort Worth. You're going to be like, wow, there's way too many fucking people here. Then you come up to where I am, and it's like, no. Then you go out in the middle of Nebraska or rural Texas, like where Brandon is. Oh yeah, fuck all. Cows that number of folks out here.

There's plenty of space. Plenty of space. And yes, you're right, it is concentrated in these areas. It's just so interesting. So what do you think the idea of them behind inflation and the global population numbers are? And follow up question, actually. Could there be actually the exact number of folks that they're saying on their census,

but some of them are either off planet or inner earth, like working in it, like sex slaves, something like that. They're aware of them. They still kind of contribute a function. And so therefore they're tallied in the census, but they're just not physically located on the land. That would be silly. That's a great point. Maybe they're tallying numbers somewhere else or inside.

In India, they're not tallying anything. That's my point, is that they are so disorganized that they aren't. So, like, I think that there's some weird incentive structures set up for these countries to lie about their populations, because they get charity from the UN and from all sorts of supernosticates. national groups that have a vested interest in poking around at their population and, you know, trying stuff at testing things out with them. So, you know, I think India, I guess on the one hand, the good news is that you could, you could account, you could depopulate 600 million Indians with just an accounting fix because they don't exist in the first place.

So, and they just announced a week ago. that they, for the first time in India's history, have just dropped to baseline replacement level, which is 2.1. So they're going to, you know, probably continue to increase in population for the next 40 years, but then it'll fall off a cliff. But if somewhere like India has an incentive to, you know, boost their numbers so they get more charity or whatever, wouldn't you think the, these international groups would have a vested interest in confirming that that was true, or is it just laundering of some sort? It's it's it's it's the world health organization getting involved. It's it's these people these organizations that are involved in world government slash world governance, which is one of the tentacles in here.

are always trying to depopulate as well. It's the simplest calculation. World government works better with fewer people. Let's depopulate, right? So you're just going to get more and more insane. I don't know. I feel like I should read some of these quotes actually to you. Oh, please.

Break them out. Please. Simply because, um, oh, I don't even really know where to start, but, um, oh, here's a good one. Okay. So here's my thinking on this. And this was my, my thought process in the first octopus book. And this is what allowed me to be a nobody. author and and have the audacity to think I could write this this book in 2017. The reason is because

I would say, take my voice out of it, read, I'm going to read their quotes, you know, read their words and hear it in their voice, you know, so it's not me saying, it's them saying. Don't get mad at me if you hear this, you know, whatever. So like, people will say things like, oh, if you say something like that, that's anti-Semitic. Or if you say, if you're talking about the forced migrant population in Western Europe and North America, if you say that there's Jewish interests behind that,

people say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't say that. That's anti-Semitic, you know, and you say, okay, well, okay, what if, though, what if I had your guys, your Jewish guys, your Jewish guys talking about it in their own words would it be anti-Semitic then

it's not me saying it what if I could lay out the plan and just say that you know would it be more impactful could you take that anti-Semitism shield away

and hear it for what it is because I've got one of the most insane quotes you'll ever hear from Calergy of the Calergy plan Mind you, this guy was the head of the precursor to the EU for 49 years.

This isn't some dude who just drop off the back of a turnip truck. He wrote something called the Calergy Plan. And if you have heard about it, they will call you an anti-Semite if you talk about it. But this is his elevator pitch and it's tight. Insane but tight. Okay, are you ready for it? It's one sentence long. We intend to turn Europe and North America into a mix of

mongrel race of Asians and Negroes ruled over by Jews. I mean, that's pretty on the nose. Catchy tagline. Yeah. Kind of let you know where they're coming from, right? So with some of this, and again, you go, well, you know, I mean, that was maybe 75 years ago, right? But like, surely we're not still doing this and you go, oh, oh, oh, oh, but, but, but, but what if you, you, you, What if I were able to show you a video of Barbara Lerner Specter,

Sector, Israeli academic? Not me. Not some unhinged conspiracy theorist. An Israeli academic. I don't know what that means. She said this on the Israel Broadcasting Authority in 2010, 2010, 16 years ago. Her words not mine. I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this,

point in time Europe has not learned how to be multicultural and I think we are going to be a part of the throes of that transformation which must take place. Europe is not going to be a monolithic society that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that one, we're going to be, leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive. Her words, not mine, right? So what do you do with that? You know, this is my point with the book in the format of the book, verbal judo, use the weighted momentum of their words against them. This isn't an unhinged,

anti-Semite conspiracy theorist spouting nonsensical hate speech. This is Barbara Ler-Spector on a video talking about this. This is her talking about it, saying this is the plan. So at what point do we stop this nonsense of pretending like we don't see what we see? Right. And so in the book, I like to make sure that people have something that they can go back to and say, well, I mean, geez, it's like it's right here in our face talking about what's happening. Now, in this case, it's, we're talking.

about the migrations into Western Europe. But it's not limited to this. It's other things. Some of the craziest things you've ever, you know, you just don't expect Margaret sang her talking about the way she views people. You read it and you go, there's got to be like some mistranslation. It's like she speaks English. There's no mistranslation.

Well, it's like what George Carlin said about making the words bigger so that they're less offensive. you went from Kirlurgi saying what he did or the Kulurgy plan to that one from 2010 and she just termed it multiculturalism instead of what the other guy said. Totally. It's so silly just to relabel this shit. Well, look, I tell you what, before we get to our break here and guys, definitely sign up in the links below because you were not going to want to miss what we're going to talk about in this extension. We are solutions-based individuals as I know you are as well. And it's easy to look around and say the sky is falling, though.

there are though within that observation possibilities for solutions for us to embody and enact and be actionable about. So what do you feel is something empowering that we can send this free audience on with before we get to the extension? Okay, I'll give you some free advice that I think will be a real solution for people. And I say this because one of my macroaggressions episode recently was about this. I believe that when the government takes the extraordinary step of legalizing something, that's a pretty good idea that they're going to use it. In 2014, when nobody was really paying attention, the G20 met, and the G20 is like a group of 20, I don't want to say Western nations, but really economically

productive nations got together and signed this bank bail-in legislation. And it was very strange. It said instead of the banks getting bailed out by the government, the money coming from outside of the banking system to bail them out, this is going to be different. It's going to be a bail-in. It means that the banks, when they get in, if they get in trouble, if, air quotes, if they get in trouble. they can take, they can bail themselves out by bailing themselves in, by taking the deposits of, of their, taking the money of their depositors. And in, and then showing the accountants, hey, we're, we're now liquid and now our bank is solvent. So we're not an insolvent bank. Don't shut us down. So they legalized that in 2014. And I've been screaming about this for the last couple of years saying, I think they're going to use this. It's something. point. You wouldn't ever legalize it if you're not going to use it. What did they start talking about three weeks ago? Ursula von der Leiden in the EU started talking about the savings accounts in

European banks as being lazy because they weren't generating any sort of revenue and that she wanted to put them to work and take the money from the bank accounts of Europeans. who are saving it and invest it for them. And so I'm just ringing the bell right now in a moment of relative normalcy and letting anybody know, especially those in Europe, who are part of the Italy, UK, there's a couple of, there's Turkey,

a few other countries. You need to get your money out of your bank because they're about to steal it. And you're going to not hear this anywhere else. It's not going to be on your nightly news. It's not going to be in your newspaper. But they did not pass that law to sit on it and not use it. And they're starting to talk about it in ways that will make you very uncomfortable.

So reevaluate the relationship you have with your bank and maybe get some of your money out of your bank, regardless of where you are, but especially if you're in one of the G20 countries, which includes the United States, they are going to take your money at some point. So plan accordingly. That is my solutions based. And of course, as the editor of activist post, one of our eight categories is solutions. And we are big on solutions. And if you sign up for our email newsletter, you will be getting the solutions series. which is our twice-monthly email that finds a problem and gives you a couple of solutions to fix it. How could we forget about that? That's your newest venture, activistpost.com.

Yeah, I'll check that out. Activist post. Oh, yeah, that came. That was that, again, man, the universe provides. I just, the guys wanted to sell activist posts. They reached out to me in a moment. and I think that's maybe that's a story for the premium. Let's definitely do that.

Absolutely. Well, dude, this is amazing. Thank you so much. Joe, do you have anything else before we kick it over to the extension? No, let's get into this. Dude, let's absolutely get into this. So, guys, sign up in the links down below. Not only do you get all the cool things that we are doing,

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