NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 100. 10 potential Trades for 2022 NFL Trade Deadline

Episode Date: October 20, 2022

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers each give you their five potential trades for the 2022 NFL trade deadline.

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I got it this year. It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, we are bringing you 10 hypothetical trades we would love to see at the trade deadline. I got five. Connor's got five. We've got a mix of

different teams, mix of players. We're going to talk about everything. The compensation, why it would make sense. Would it fit under the cap? Of course it would fit under the cap. The cap's a myth. We're not going to let some salary cap stop us from letting our imaginations pop off here on the show. You guys know how it goes. It's going to be a lot of fun, though.

I'm Trevor Sykema. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Today, we got a treat for you guys. Thursday episode, which means, you know, it's a mixed bag. We kind of do whatever we want. It's like the free space and the NFL SE bingo. And today we decided, since we are approaching the NFL trade deadline, since that seems to be the soup du jour

of what everyone wants to talk about on the timeline. Let's talk about it here on this podcast. We're going to bring to the table five potential trades for players, for teams, compensation, context, why it would work. We're each going to give you five. I'm going to give you five. Connor's going to give you five. And we're just going to talk about it.

We're going to have you guys yell at us at the end of the podcast about how stupid we are about this team. We'd never trade that player for that price and whatever. But it's going to be a good time, Connor. I'm excited about it. Me too. As excited as you could be. It's funny. The NFL makes trades

very difficult, whether it's the financial aspect, whether it's the fact that a lot of teams don't seem very interested in making trades. We are going to make it very interesting on today's show because there are a lot of contenders that have not got off to the start that they hoped for that I think, and I know you agree, need to make moves. Even if they're not game-changing, send-all-your-picks moves, they need to make a move. And then there's a couple surprise teams lingering around that might want to fill a gap here or there.

So I think we're going to have a lot of fun with this one today. Yeah, for as much as there is the uncertainty of teams that we thought were going to be great that aren't so great bad teams being a little bit better than we thought it definitely makes this trade market and this trade deadline very interesting because i think a lot a lot of these teams are more desperate than i thought they were going to be the potential contenders and unfortunately for them there are a lot of teams that we thought were just going to be absolutely terrible that aren't the worst team in the world.

They're a lot better than we thought they were going to be going into the season, so are they going to be fire-sailing their assets? What's going to happen? We're all obviously going to dig into it. You know, before we do get straight into it, you talked about how the NFL makes trading a little bit more difficult,

and I think it is worth mentioning just how much goes into player acquisition right like all the hours of scouting all of the research done to that you know like it's not just fantasy football where you're acquiring a guy on a depth chart these are people who like you're shaking their hand when the contract is signed right you're getting to know their family you get to know their lives and so there's a reason why trades don't happen as much as maybe we think that they should as much as it happens in a madden league or whatever it is you got to remember that part of it too these regimes a lot of times invest a lot of time a lot of energy a lot of work into getting these players

on the roster so that's probably why they don't want to get rid of them as easily as some of us on the other side of things like to admit that's right i think it's a league where players have become more vocal where they will go and where they won't go and i think yeah i'll you know i'll never forget talking to somebody that already retired but they were telling this player had a long career, and he was telling me, he goes, I didn't realize until my fourth or fifth destination that I could just say no. He's like, and I said no to a trade, and it actually defeated the trade with nothing else happening.

Me simply saying, I'm not going to play there, and they were like, okay, trade's done. So that's part of it. But it is funny to me and the nfl trade deadline has gotten better in recent years but obviously you're a hockey fan um in baseball like the mlb and nhl trade deadlines are a bonanza yeah they truly are rosters look entirely different because the teams that are in are really really in and then you have the nfl where i think i'm fascinated to see who's going to be the first gm that really figures and there's a couple that have had success

but really figures out some kind of loophole in the trade deadline or maximizes the trade deadline um and it'll be i think it'll really only pick up as more years go by. Yeah, and a lot of those, I mean, the other sports, there's fewer players impacting the game on a game-to-game basis, right? That's a good point. You look at the NBA, and obviously the NBA is pretty wild when you go through the trade deadline because one move, like you said, changes an entire team, and it doesn't often happen in the NFL, right?

It's the same in every sport where teams genuinely aren't looking to move on from their good players but when they do in the NHL when they do in the MLB when they do in the NBA it's a massive shift in how good these teams are whereas in the NFL it's more of like is this the I'll call it a little addition but like is this the addition that puts this team over the top you know like it's just kind of a little next step thing it's not like a total identity changing thing but I do think there's a handful of guys we've already talked a little bit about in the pre-show that could make all the difference in the world so I'll start with you what trade do you want to bring to the table what's a hypothetical that you would like to see for one reason or

another and tell us how plausible it is so I'll start with a team that has big expectations for this year and the year has not gone the way they'd hoped so far, but it can be salvaged and that's the Green Bay Packers. And what I've seen with the Packers outside of the question marks people have at the wide receiver position is that it starts up front their problems and it's not just the jets that whoop them up front teams have had success against their offensive line the right side of their offensive line and elton jenkins is a great player in this league he should be an all pro guard

that is being forced to play tackle right now yeah they need to find a way to get him back at guard and the solution i come up with trevor is the packers trading a fourth round pick for isaiah win and playing win at right tackle kicking jenkins back into guard and now you have a right side of the offensive line that does not look good it looks flat out bad and can actually be a big time strength going forward and i believe win was even benched for a little bit of New England's last game yeah Wynn's had his problems uh in New England this year and Wynn's a good player he's had his health problems though obviously performance problems last weekend so I think that's a player despite

his his number which I think he's making about 10 million dollars this year you have to figure out that part of the deal but I think the packers have a code red on their offensive line and i think there's a solution out there and i think this kind of move is a double whammy with jenkins kicking back in and would really help aaron rogers and really help their run game yeah um their guard play has been royce newman has been going through it man he's been going through it they benched him and whoever came in for him went through it against quinn and williams and sheldon rankins and it's been like that all year so john runyon's not grading out that well either their left guard yeah he yeah below got fined by his dad this weekend no did that happen yeah john runyon's dad uh is the guy that like sends the fine letters

oh yeah and he he had to send his son a fine. Yeah, their interior has gone through it. If you run any form of a stunt against Green Bay's offensive line, you're going to have a party. Right, right. I mean, I have two trades that kind of go off of that one. Yeah, go right to them. I guess I'll do the Isaiah Wynn one

because you brought up Wynn going to the Packers. I like that idea because I do agree with you. I think that Elton Jenkins needs to be an all-pro guard, man. I think you need to let him be a guard. Him at tackle, even though he's a really good just offensive lineman overall, I feel like they're not maximizing his versatility by just simply keeping him a tag. I think there's a better way to get a best five out there. And I think that trading for Isaiah wind could definitely be in the cards

for that. Another team that really needs help along the offensive line, maybe even worse than the green Bay Packers is the Los Angeles Rams. Rams have been absolutely terrible since game one, where they gave up all those pressures to the buffalo bills joe no no boom now out for the season and i never want to act like a guy getting hurt is like a good thing but joe no boom was giving up so many pressures he was top 10 in the nfl when it came to pressures allowed and so him going down is already bad because he was the experienced guy

that you were hoping to get in there and have that continuity, and it already wasn't working when he was on the field, go get Isaiah Wynn. A lot of people talk about the Los Angeles Rams trading for Christian McCaffrey or going to get an offensive weapon or what they're going to do at running back. Go get an offensive lineman. If Isaiah Wynn's available, I think that's definitely an area that they need to attack there, not only because of the injury, but also like long-term as well.

Hopefully getting Isaiah's win in a starting spot because it's him and Havenstein. How old is Rob Havenstein? I didn't even look this up before. What is he? He is looking at his contract now, three or $34 million contract. He is 30 right now and he's got three more years on the deal okay so he's he's definitely around for a little while right tackle but joe no boom was the left tackle anyways that's isaiah wins that's isaiah win spot that's where you would want him

you mentioned it he carries about a 10 million dollar cap hit rams have 4.7 million cap space right now so it would take a little bit for him to fit under the cap but connor you know what the cap's a myth we're not going to sit here and let let something silly like something silly like cap space tell us that we can't make it to you right this is a and it's not all 10 million because the season's already begun right this is a good point too this is a good point too so that that's a good that's a good lesson is we're going to move forward with this is what you see on over the cap when you go on over the cap and you're looking at a lot of these contracts it's not like the team takes on all this a lot of this stuff is prorated anyways so

um you're gonna see and one of the contracts i'm going to talk about has to do with that but i'd love to see isaiah win on the los angeles r Rams that is the area if you ask me that is holding them back the most good offensive lineman and Wynn's been up and down so that word good I know some people might fight back on that but this is a young talented offensive lineman who I think could use a change of scenery would love for this to happen if possible because I do think that win has some good ball in him he's just 27 man he's just a 27 year old offensive lineman when if ever do mid 20 year old offensive lineman with potential hit the market almost never almost never so i'd love for the rams to jump on it packers would be a good situation as well because it would allow them to kick jenkins inside but those are two destinations that i'd love to see for Isaiah Wynn.

Man, it makes a lot of sense. The Rams, if they want to salvage this season, they have to do something because they have so many problems up front. So I like the fit a lot. All right, I'll stick with the theme of, well, no. This team is not underachieving just because they lost to the Bills. The Chiefs are really good. The Chiefs are well-deserved to be one of the Super Bowl favorites.

This is more of a buy low, but it's something that I think the Chiefs could use, and I'm going to have them trade a fifth-round pick for Denzel Mims on the Jets. And the way I would structure this trade, because Joe Douglas doesn't trade guys that he took on day two and the way i would structure this trade because i joe douglas doesn't trade guys that he took you know on day two of the draft for day three picks and i think there might be some conditional terms here where if mims goes off with the chiefs it can become a four but let's call it a fifth round pick right now i just think they can use a field stretcher And a lot of people will look at this and go,

what about Valdez-Scantling? Sure. But once again, this is buying low on a guy that was drafted in the second round, that has deep speed, that has contested catchability, that he just can't get on the field for the Jets. He's not active, ever. He hasn't been active all year

because the issue is he would play Corey Davis's role. And the reality is Corey Davis has been a better player since Denzel Mims got into the league. And then Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore are going to play over him. Of course they are. And Braxton Berrios is an all-pro return man. So he's going to be active as well. And they like Jeff Smith on special teams.

So I think Mims would be available. And I think the Chiefs, this is the kind of move you make at wide receiver if there's not that impact move out there. And doing the digging I'm doing, I don't think DJ Moore is available for, you know, I'm not expecting, just from what I'm reading, I'm not hitting up Panthers contacts. Like, it doesn't seem like DJ Moore is on the market. So if there's no big-time wide receiver to add out there,

the Odell Beckham thing, sure, it seems like he'll have a lot of suitors. Won't be ready until the end of November anyway, it sounds like. Why not buy low on Mims if you're the Chiefs? And maybe Mahomes can get more out of him. And he's a pretty good blocker too, which is something I think they would value. If you have him and Juju out there blocking, it could really help your outside run game as well. I think that's a decent shout out.

You know, a lot of these moves that might be made around the trade deadline they're not going to be like the biggest moves in the world but i feel as though the chiefs are definitely one of those teams where it's like hey if the price is low like if the risk is low on it go acquire some talent right he does that a lot yeah mims was a second round pick even though he certainly hasn't lived up to that billing so far in his nfl career shoot you know you patch them homes anything happened right so i i don't know it's just it's just one of those things where clearly it's not going to work in new york is his contract up this year right no so that's the nice thing if you're the chiefs in this deal you're acquiring a player that maybe can help you this year but you have him on the books for $1.7 million next year.

So if you get into camp and he struggles, you cut him, and you're out of that money. But maybe he turns it around with you, because he had a good summer with the Jets. He just can't get on the field. It's for the Chiefs. This is a little bit, well, buy low, and maybe this guy can be our wide receiver three or four next year

for really no money at all. Sure, sure. Yeah, you're almost just like acquiring talent and seeing what happens. It's not bad when you're a good team. It's not a bad team. I don't think you want to do that all the time because it's not like you want to never be picking on day three of the draft for as much as they are throwaway picks.

Those are often a lot of your core special teams guys those are the guys that you pick for a specific reason to be gone on that third phase so i think that part is important it's not like you want to just throw away day three picks all willy-nilly but in this instance for the chiefs i think don't they have an extra one so i was going to say the reason i did this for them is the fifth rounder they have two fours a fifth two sixes and a seven so the chiefs are going to move day three capital at the deadline they have plenty of it yeah they got three sixths they can do this they can make this happen you got the extra capital extra four extra four two extra six yeah i like it i like the idea i'll stick with the chiefs

i'll go a little bit higher i'll bring up the name that everybody wants to talk about at the trade deadline i'll talk about christian mccaffrey uh i think that if there is a place where christian mccaffrey should go i think it's the chiefs i really i really do i think that that's their destination i know i know a lot of buffalo bills fans have talked about christ Christian McCaffrey going to Buffalo. And look, in a vacuum, if you want to put Christian McCaffrey on the Buffalo Bills, fine. He is obviously a better offensive weapon and a better running back than what the Bills have on the roster currently.

But I don't want to take the ball out of Josh Allen's hands. I get it. I know some people are going to push back on it and say, oh, you don't want him getting hit this much. You don't want him running. Look how good he is. You're trying to win a Super Bowl. I know you're not trying to run the guy into the ground,

but this guy right now is front runner for MVP, if you ask me. I don't want to take the ball out of the MVP's hands. If you can guarantee me that the game plan is going to stay exactly the same and you're just instead putting Christian McCaffrey in for every running back opportunity whether it's a catch out of the backfield or rush sure I could be okay with that but it's it's so tempting with a with a talent like Christian McCaffrey back there to start taking the ball out of Josh Allen's hands and I hate that I don't like it I do not like it So that's why I don't like him going to the Buffalo Bills. And some people might go, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Okay, you want the ball out of Patrick Mahomes' hands? No, not necessarily. But I think that Andy Reid is so creative in how he tries to use his running backs. They're going to use their running backs anyways. And so that's where it's like, okay, if you sub in christian mccaffrey for the guys they currently have jerry mckinnon he plays a lot right you got jerry mckinnon

you got uh clyde ebersolear you have isaiah pacheco right if you're just basically subbing in christian mccaffrey for all those opportunities now we're cooking now we're talking about something that might be worth it the tricky part about mcafree is his contract right that's what everybody is talking about eight mil on the cap if you go if you go to over the cap you can see that he's eight million on the cap this year but then it goes up to 19 mil next year 19 mil the year after that 15 mil the year after that the panthers have to be trying to get out of this contract and what peter schrager reported early last sunday was that the panthers were looking for multiple first round picks for christian mccaffrey not happening a reason why that would be the case isn't just because of you know you're setting the value high for a good player it's because the panthers are still

on the hook for that dead money if they trade it so i i believe that if i'm reading the breakdowns of the contract correctly whoever trades for christian mccaffrey is only taking on about a million dollars in cap space because the contract is prorated. Carolina is going to save about a million dollars on the cap this year, but they still have the $18 million dead cap hit next year before he is completely off of their books. That's heavy. So in order to make up for all of that dead cap on the Panthers books next year,

that's why they would want more than just the capital that you would expect to trade for a player who has a tough contract so i think in order for them to acquire christian mccaffrey it would probably cost two day two selections right it would probably be like a second round pick this year a third round pick next year to get it done i don't know where the conversations are i have no idea what the starting point is for it obviously two first round picks is egregious and carolina will never get that but if they don't what are they going to do with mccaffrey that's right that's the perfect point the team is bad they're not going to be good for a while yep whether it's the 19 mil that his south that his contract would

be next year to be on the team or the 18 mil with the extra draft picks that you get to help kickstart your rebuild which one do you want i think that carolina would probably rather have the draft picks so i would take the picks that's that's the way that i read everything right now with the mcafree deal here's my counter take to that not really counter because i think you agree if you're you're worried about paying the money while the player is not playing for you the draft picks you're getting should offset that money where one of those two picks should be a starting player for you at a pretty key spot right so right on a. On a rookie contract.

That's what I mean. I was talking about this with Mike Renner earlier today, actually. We were talking about the running back class for this upcoming draft, and Mike doesn't have Bijan Robinson in the top 20 of his big board right now. And he doesn't because of positional value. He loves Bijan. I think Bijan's right there at 21, so I was trolling him a bit about it. And then I said to him, I was like, well, hold on.

Do you have any other running backs in your top 50? And I listed them off. Blake Corum, Jameer Gibbs, Sean Tucker, Zach Evans. You know, like so many of these different running backs. And Mike kind of smiled and he said no. And the reason why I say no isn't because they're bad. It's because of what you just did right there. You rattled off all of these really good running backs that could be available in the late second early third maybe

even early fourth round so if you're carolina if you pick yourself up an extra second round pick an extra fourth round pick this year and an extra third round pick next year whatever it is i don't know what the price is going to be you can move on from mcafree and already have a running back that you love who might be versatile as well on a rookie deal. So I think that that goes into it. All that to say, I think the Chiefs are the best spot for him. His usage with the Los Angeles Rams, I think, would also be very good because that's what Sean McVay does, and they need playmakers out of the backfield.

But if we're being honest, the spot that I love the most for mcafree is the chiefs go all in on the chiefs i already thought that the los angeles rams were going to take a step back this year i didn't think the los angeles rams were a team that was going to win the super bowl last year so i am skeptical about them going out trading a bunch of assets for a running back that i don't think is going to make a big difference for them i do think that mcafree could make a big difference for them. I do think that McCaffrey could make a big difference for the Chiefs. So ultimately, that was my favorite spot for what is by far the hottest topic name in the trade deadline circles. I like it a lot. Now, what I do want to hit on is I am not and I don't think a lot of people

will agree with this. I am not of the belief that it should be an assumption you can replace a running back because recent history just tells us the miss rate is just it's a lot higher than people want to admit like go back to 2020 right my draft is clyde edwards a lair yeah has not lived up to his draft billing deandre swift good player always hurt jonathan taylor excellent Akers, total bust right now. J.K. Dobbins, always hurt. A.J. Dillon does not look good this year, as good as he looked last year. Keyshawn Vaughn, total bust. Zach Moss, total bust.

Darrington Evans, bust. And I can keep going down the list. The hit rate on running backs is a lot smaller than the general NFL media likes to pretend. And it's just one of those things that, I'm trying to be a narrative buster. I will fall in love with seven running backs in next year's draft. Oh, of course. I already am. 10th and it's just one of those things that like i'm trying to be like a narrative buster like i will fall in love with seven running backs in next year's draft oh of course i already am i already

have right but a lot of them will be misses so i think we've gotten to the point where we do fully take the position entirely for granted uh yeah yeah i will also say this too uh one more thing about mcafree is that next starting next year none of his contract is guaranteed so obviously it's it's structured the way that it currently is for him to be on the cap for 1919 and then 15 mil in those last three years but there's no guarantees left in that deal so you can either cut him and save money or you can potentially restructure the deal right so if you if you wanted to keep him and you wanted it to be structured a little bit differently i think that you have the freedom to do that move some guaranteed monies around and make it make it a little bit easier on

a year-to-year basis if you think he's going to be around for a long time so all that flexibility is there with mcafree but that's ultimately where i landed with him yeah i think it just illuminates your point further that they should get something for him while they can. I think so too. I think so. All right, the next one, this one's for you, Trevor. I don't know if you're going to celebrate this with a birthday hat and confetti,

but we got to do something for the Bucs. And I think priority number one for the Bucs should be getting O-line help. I don't know how much O-line help is really going to exist on the market. It just really doesn't. I tried to find it. I tried.

I couldn't. Right, I couldn't. I couldn't. I was even looking at Denver's roster. I was like, Quinn Miners? I mean, like, would they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, no, they wouldn't do it.

No, there's no way they would do it. So, the Bucs, this is a tough one because i don't love his contract it's not the worst in terms of guaranteed money but i think the bucks are the all-in team because of brady we know that i have them trading a sixth round pick for robert quinn and robert quinn has not yeah because robert quinn is paid and robert quinn has not had year, although in a situation that is just a disaster right now in Chicago, for the most part, he has one sack this year in six games coming off a season where he had 18 and a half sacks last year. So I still think Robert Quinn is a really good player. And I think the Bucks could use some more pass rush help. I don't think they're code

red. And you tell me, I think the Bucks could use some pass rush help. I don't think they're code red, and you tell me. I think the Bucs could use some pass rush help. Yes, offensive line is their priority. I just didn't think it existed. So this, for me, is kind of a signal of the Bucs are going to make some kind of a win-now move because I don't know how much longer Tom Brady is playing. And if you're the Bucs, why not do everything possible to try to win a Super Bowl

and figure out all the financial or lack of draft asset problems after Tom Brady leaves and rides off into the sunset. And this was kind of one where I said, if anybody's going to take on Robert Quinn, because he could still play in my eyes, I think the Bucs would be one of the teams. I don't hate your thought process of draft picks don't exact that. I mean, I'm way overstating this, but like draft picks don't exactly matter i mean i'm i'm way overstating this but like draft picks

don't exactly matter while you have tom brady right that's why kyle trash is a terrible draft pick i'm always gonna go back to that um second round right back in the second round that's wild yep wild in a tom brady window nope unbelievable but i i don't think, one, they don't have the cap space to be able to take on Robert Quinn. The Bears need to help out here. For as much as, yeah. Let me make that very clear. For as much as, see, I think that if you're talking about that, then you're probably going to have to give them a higher draft pick, right?

Maybe. To be able to take on some of that money, because Tampa definitely would not be able to take on all of it. They could be a lot better on the defensive line man quinn's just been so disappointing this year yeah unless you really thought that quinn is going to flip the switch in tampa um shack barrett's been fine joe try on show inc is kind of coming along i i kind of think they missed that veteran presence with jason pierre paul that they had last year and but pierre paul wasn't good either so i'm kind of torn on it i i like the thought of

adding to the defensive line but i just don't i don't really trust robert quinn and i do know that the bucks were interested in robert quinn the last time he hit the free agency market where the bears gave him a ton of money yeah and i remember the bucks didn't they were not about it because of his back they were like no his back's fried and they end up going to chicago and he's like 18 and a half that season was nobody saw that coming right so it's a little bit funny it was like yeah maybe his back's doing all right but he does it's it's unless it is a very late pick and they're helping out the money it's it's hard to see that one being the move for him but i i have another one for the bucks it's not as star studded but i think it would be a decent addition

for him i have them going after albert okuwebunam the tight end from uh den, who was a healthy scratch last week when Greg Galsich came back. And look, Okwebunam has not been having the best year. I think a lot of people thought when Noah Fant was out the door, okay, this is Okwebunam's time to shine. Albert O, he's the guy in the tight end room. This is who they're going to go to. So far this season, Connor, only a 10.2% threat percentage, which is wide receiver or tight end usage.

So how many times you're getting targeted when you are running a route. Seven catches, 50 yards, 11 targets on the whole year. And that's nothing near what people expected from him once Noah Fant went out the door. Look, this guy guy still got two years left on his rookie deal okay bucks tight end room is very thin right now it's kate otten it's cam who is hurt i don't i don't even know how available cambrade is going to be and then kyle rudolph is there cokeef is more of a special teams guy a versatile dude he's not exactly

integral in the passing offense but okwebunam is a a good athlete he's a big body there's a lot of potential there like i said he's he's been better as a run blocker this year he's got a run blocking grade in the high 70s and so you'd like to see that as well he's got those two years left on the rookie deal i tried to find a splash ad for the bucks i really did but it's hard outside of isaiah win there's just not really an O-lineman that's available that you can get jazzed about. And, you know, I looked it up and Isaiah Wynn's bounced from the left tackle to right tackle a little bit in his career. And I was like, didn't he play guard a little bit? It was one game that he played guard. It was in 2020,

week six, he played left guard and it's like the worst graded game of his career and i was like that's why i'm like damn it i can't even make this work so i tried to i tried to entertain myself of oh you trade for isaiah when you kick him inside but that's not gonna work either so if it's not gonna be the offensive line i didn't love i i hear what you're saying about robin quinn i just don't think they're going to pull the trigger with it. Pick up the phone for Albert O. Pick up the phone for Albert O. Maybe he can make a difference in the passing game.

He can get you a little bit more vertical. He can be a little bit more explosive from the tight end spot. Take a chance on it. That's my thoughts. Man, I'll tell you what. We've done a lot of shows. A lot of shows that have, in my eyes, been some of the most creative pieces of content I've been a part of in this space.

This is one of the harder shows to prepare for man like you have to do your you're not research but confirmation of the money working right the draft assets making sense draft assets existing yep player actually helping the team and not just being a body that as this podcast is coming through your ears you do not give a you know what about so with that being said uh thanks to you because we we do talk outside of this show no we don't i said i said i need to find an interior d-line for the jets and some people listening to that might be like, why? Jets defensive line is killing it. Correct. Except the fact they have played Solomon Thomas 122 snaps this year. And Nathan Shepard 116 snaps this year. My boy, Nathan Shepard.

Your boy. Be careful. Yours and only yours. Be careful. I had Nathan Shepard as a top 20 player in the year he came out. It's okay. You didn't have to admit it. Nobody's checking. We're transparent on this podcast.

We're transparent on this podcast. I respect the hell out of that. To put those snap counts in perspective, Thomas with 122, Shepard with 116. Quinton Williams has played 242. That's a lot of snaps for these two guys. As good as the Jets D-line has been, those guys are not good and have not been good

and the more they are on the field which it's apparent they will need to be because this team rotates a lot that's a problem so when i said this to you you said what about matt ionitis and i was like that's perfect when you look at he's on the panthers everyone should be available there especially guys on one-year contracts there yeah ionitis is still a good player he is still and it's a one-year deal so this doesn't matter as much he's 28 so he's not some washed veteran still a really good player he's been very good against the run this year he has graded out extremely highly i think he's around a 75 point something against the run this year on a team that him and der Brown, their run defense has improved a lot for all their problems. That was always a big one in Carolina. That's finally

started to at least trend the right way. Ionitis is still a good player. Now the tricky thing, why I only have the Jets sending them a sixth for him, besides the fact it's a one-year rental, he has void money tacked on for a couple years that's very low but still a couple million here a couple million there it would be very interesting how that carries over if it does for the jets so this is the panthers getting something for a player that you're assuming is not part of their future even if he's performed at a high level for their no offense carolina fans i don't know why he would go back there after this year. This is a guy that's approaching 30 that probably wants to win and hasn't won a lot in his NFL

career despite playing at a really high level. So this is quietly a need for the Jets that are four and two. They want to keep winning. And I don't think they need, they should desire to keep playing Solomon Thomas and Nathan Shepard in key roles on the interior D line. Do you trade void years? It was a thing. I have tried so hard to figure out if they carry over,

and even on over the cap, I cannot tell. If they stick with the team, it just changes the color of the boxes when you click trade pre-chute. That's all it did for me. It didn't tell me anything. It just changed the color of the boxes. So I'm not sure, but if they do i can i can i can

i can text it i can text my cat person you're gonna look this up while i keep talking bingo space there it is there it is bingo space secured so if the void years get sent to the jets this is only a sixth round pick at best because that's Jets paying a couple mil for the next couple years that they just, there's no reason for that. They'd be paying 3.8 mil of the contract after this year. If the void years don't get carried over, I would send at least a fifth for Ioannidis for the Jets, because maybe you get him in the building.

He likes being part of a team that they think they're really going in the right direction. You're playing with Quinton Williams and Sheldon Rankins and Carl Lawson and John Franklin Myers. You have all these good things going around you finally. Maybe you can tack on a year extension or something with him at a reasonable rate where that fifth round pick is worth it to you. So that was the biggest thing I struggled with this contract

and why the value can drastically change depending on those void years. Matt Ioannidis, I like the move good player real good player i reached out that nobody seems to care i reached out we'll see if uh we'll see if there's a brad i'll give him a couple minutes yeah it is brad brad's brilliant so brad knows how brad knows a ton about the cap and he obviously does a lot of work with uh the good fine people at over the cap as well so um if any of my contacts know it's probably gonna be him so i text him we'll see if he responds promptly before this podcast is over but we'll give him a couple more minutes here as we give a shout out to our friends over at symbol y'all have heard me talk about them before on this podcast but our sponsor symbol is revolutionizing the sports betting market by turning the stock by turning sports into the stock market.

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Brad's got a few more minutes here before the podcast is up but i got a couple more that i want to get to you want speakerphone call him oh i don't know if he oh wait wait wait he responded okay so he says they already paid it it's just cap space so that but it accelerates up to 2023 so you'd have the 2022 bonus prorated amount as dead cap on 2022. And then all of 2023 through 2026 would hit on 2023. Yes, that's correct. The cap number is in full at 3.812. I knew that.

But who who pay who carries that cap number? The Panthers. Carolina does. So if they're going to get something from that, I notice. one too i knew that but who who pay who carries that cap number the panthers carolina does so they're gonna get something from that ionitis so if somebody trades for him then that means that carolina will have almost a million on the cap this year still and then next year they will have the 2026 2025 2024 and 2023 void years all on the dead cap on 2023 so it just prorates to that year so it'll be 3.8 mil he's a sneaky nice addition for someone then yeah sneaky nice very okay good for that's good news for carolina although people might be

surprised to hear that because it really in my opinion increases the value i don't think anybody would have given much of anything for him if they had to take on the void cap number of 3.8 right yeah that'd be that'd be a little but that's good good all right shout out brad spielberger for the quick response if you guys don't follow him already he's fantastic when it comes to trades cap everything man he is your guru for it you talked about the Green Bay Packers to open up the show you talked about them adding Isaiah Wynn and I did an idea that I like if they're going to add a wide receiver I actually like the idea of them adding Darius Slayton Darius Slayton feels like the Giants have been trying to trade him for a while the feeling that I've

tried to research and look up still feels like they're not gonna re-sign him this this uh this upcoming offseason so why not try and get something for him Packers definitely need a player of his caliber and when I say that I mean speed get a player who can separate in man coverage I feel like he has that ability a lot of receivers on the Packers are not reliable in that regard right now. Slayton's been in the league a couple of years now. He has that reliability. It's going to be a new spot. It's going to take time to get the chemistry down,

but you got half a season. I knew the Packers are probably going to make the playoffs. I said earlier this week on issues football that I didn't think that they were going to. I really think it's a coin flip at this point because of how well the rest of the teams in the NFC are playing relative to expectation. There's a lot of bad teams that I think are still in the hunt for the playoffs. You need a go-to weapon, man.

Well, maybe not a go-to weapon. They just need a weapon. They need some sort of complimentary weapon in the passing game for Aaron Rodgers. I think Slayton's the guy to do it. Packers have over $6 million in cap space to make this deal happen. So I think that that would be pretty easy for him. It shouldn't take much, man. Giants have been trying to deal slate and i feel like for a while now mid-round late round pick early day three midday three something like that i think that you can make it happen so darius slayton putting him in that wide receiver room in green bay that's

another one i like slayton is a player that it would go on with better results somewhere else. And the Giants have had a really nice year, and it's not even about this Giants regime. It's the way Slayton, you know, I thought he was really good as a rookie, and then you kind of look around and you go, what happened? So Slayton is a perfect buy-low candidate, much like Mims in a sense where you're buying low on speed and somebody that doesn't get to play very often. So he had one big week for the Giants, but somewhere else he might get bigger.

Yeah, he's only got eight catches this year. Eight catches, 108 yards, no touchdowns. Dude, they were all in like one game. No joke. Played in five games. Yeah. I think it was the London game. Yeah, it was the London game.

It was against the Packers. Yes. Oh, wow. There you go. They've seen it. I didn't even think about that was the London game. It was against the Packers. Yes. There you go. They've seen it. I didn't even think about that. There we go. There you go. Master plot. Can't beat them. My last trade here, a little bit of a sleeper that I was telling you before

the show. I'm trading Teddy Bridgewater to the 49ers for a fifth round pick. Teddy Bridgewater is on a one-year deal. Uh-huh. I know that they started Skyler Thompson over Teddy Bridgewater, and I think a lot of that had to do with Teddy was dealing with concussion protocol things.

Sure, right. It's very... Everything going on in that side of the NFL right now is a little complicated in a sense that these are new protocols inserted in the middle of a season that we don't truly know. Did they want to play Skylar Thompson or did Teddy not get practice in and

they couldn't start him, but he was the backup and he had to come in immediately. Skylar Thompson got hurt either way. Two is going to be back. I think the Dolphins organization likes Skylar Thompson as a future backup. Teddy played well in the preseason. He did Skylar Thompson as a future backup. Teddy. He played well in the preseason. He did play really well in the preseason.

Teddy's on a one-year deal, $6.5 million, so it's going to be significantly less than that for the Niners carrying it. Trevor, I was telling you before the show, I cannot believe this. Jimmy Garoppolo's backup, who Jimmy has had his own problems at times, as we know, and came into the year as the backup so maybe this explains why Brock Purdy he's Jimmy Garoppolo's backup Jimmy Jimmy Garoppolo is not exactly the perfect picture of sustainable health all the time on the field you're telling me the Niner season is one snap away from Brock Purdy playing. Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy playing. So I would go

get Teddy and or a player like Teddy and you don't have to play him over Garoppolo. It's not what I'm saying. But if Jimmy really struggles or Jimmy gets hurt, you have Teddy there that Teddy's in Mike McDaniel's offense right now. Mike McDaniel was with Kyle Shanahan his entire coaching life before he went to the Dolphins. Very good point. You're going over there and the verbiage and everything is much easier to pick up. He'd be okay.

He'd slide right in. He doesn't need time to learn the offense. I think these are sometimes the moves that could save your season. You never know. So Teddy, Teddy to the Niners for a fifth. I also don't hate it long-term, right? Because if he's on a one-year six and a half million dollar deal now,

you got to think Jimmy's got to be out of there next year, but it gets tricky because you can't just move on from Jimmy with, with nothing else. Like at this point, for as much as you still want to say, yeah, next year is T want to say yeah next year is trey lance's right next year is absolutely trey lance's you don't know what you have in him still and if this is going to be a 49ers team that's going to make the playoffs again how is the ownership or the fan base or whatever it is going to be like you're moving on completely from jimmy just to give trey lance unprecedented ability to be the starter with no competition and nobody behind him.

That's always been the risky part to me. But if you go trade for Bridgewater, which is intriguing, Bridgewater then gets to be Jimmy's backup for a year. You then don't have to, you feel like you don't have to re-sign jimmy garoppolo next offseason and instead you can probably bring back bridgewater to sit behind trey lance for a team-friendly contract where it's like okay if you're the backup most of the year this is what we're going to pay you you're already in our system you already know our guys you already know everything we have that faith in you but if you ever become the starter at some point the numbers go up and there's a little bit of flexibility to it. So even though I never thought about this one,

I don't hate the idea of it. I don't even hate the idea of it beyond this year. I think it could be something to set them up for next year too. I think it's a good fit. I think Teddy, it's crazy. Teddy, when he comes in, is fine. Every time. Yeah.

Every time. He's fine. I mean, when you're measuring backup quarterbacks around the league. But I do think it also makes sense for the Dolphins to get... I know to his health, we'll leave some Dolphins fans like, I'd rather not trade Teddy. But on the flip side, he's leaving after this year, probably. You can get an asset.

And I really think they like Skyler Thompson. And are you going to carry three quarterbacks all year? That's not very common in this league. Probably not. So it's kind of decision time, just being honest. Probably not. They're probably not going to do that. Last one I got, I got Roquan Smith.

Roquan Smith was talked about as a potential trade guy in training camp when he was basically demanding a trade. He was looking for a contract extension. He's on the last year of his rookie deal. I can't remember what the word he used, but I think he said that he just didn't feel valued by the Chicago Bears and the contract that they were offering him.

So he held out during the preseason, ends up coming back for the regular season. He's playing now, but he's playing on the last year of that deal. I don't know how happy he is and how much he's going to want to stay in Chicago after the negotiations and how they went down. Don't know anything behind the scenes about that,

but just feels like there could be a rift there. Could Chicago franchise tag him? Sure. Do they want to? I don't know about that. I look at the Dallas Cowboys as a team that should be very interested in trading for Roquan Smith because they signed Leighton Vander Esch to a one

year deal this past off season. They also signed Anthony Barr to a one year deal this past off season. Both of those guys, not a lot of faith in him. Vander Esch is playing better than Barr is right now. But Roquan Smith, man, I like the thought of him being in the middle of that defense

because he is a tackling machine. This guy is a heat-seeking missile for the ball. You get a player like that in the middle of that defense and you've got young linebackers behind him who then you could be okay with bringing up a guy like a Jabril Cox or something like that, right? You then free up Micah Parsons to be the athlete wherever you want him to be the athlete left side of the line right side of the line coming up the middle coming off the edge whatever it is you free yourself if you get you get Roquan Smith in the middle there you have that stability to

defend the run to go chase tacklers to the sidelines, to play in coverage, and you allow yourself to be as versatile of a chess piece as you want there with Micah Parsons. So with those two linebackers, both of them not exactly secured long-term. And when I say that, I mean both are free agents this upcoming offseason. I think Barr's on the books for, what is it, three mil? And Van Der Esch is like two something. So shoot, you've got half of what roquan's making right there he's gonna ask for more he's gonna want more but i just feel as

though with as well as the defensive line is playing if you get yourself that superstar linebacker to play in the middle of the defense you give yourself so much creativity in a lot of other areas you also give yourself a young core of players to consistently build around and him and Trayvon Diggs and um and Micah Parsons of course so I like it man I don't know what the compensation would be because I don't know where the conversations ended with Roquan at at the end of the preseason when he decided to kind of come back and stick it out with the Bears but with the Bears being as bad as they are I think they should pick up the phone and start to listen to offers with Roquan Smith. That's what I think.

And if they do, I think the Cowboys should be one of those teams on the other side of the phone. Be a lot of fun. I think the wild card there will depend what the Cowboys think internally of Damone Clark, who they took in the fifth round. He was a day two player. He had the, I think, a spinal-related surgery

where a lot of people didn't know if he'd never play football again or miss the year. And the latest on him is that he's actually practicing now. And he still started on special teams, but he's somebody that was projected as an NFL starter, as a prospect. And then with that surgery and injury, it looked like we didn't know if he was going to play.

So if they're confident in him, it'll be interesting to see how him and jabril cox are eventually you know brought into that defense but if they're not man i wonder if roquan smith could be had for a cheap price because you're gonna have to pay him or maybe you don't maybe you just take the flyer on him and figure it out and no they trade it they trade him and pay him you're right you trade him and pay him yeah i think you well you trade trade for him and pay him that's what you do yeah yeah that's what i that's what i think that was to do and a little tricky because that's a linebacker is a how would you say like a lower valued position so you don't want to do that very often but i think where the cowboys are and the mixture of players that they have you insert roquan smith in the middle there and i think that that honestly

can make a world of a difference with how you utilize michael parsons and how good that defense can be for years moving forward i think he could be a crucial piece for them i really do believe that it's funny i wonder if the linebackers knock The linebacker market is obviously very tame. It's not a very expensive market. You're right, Trevor. The positional value of it is not very high. As this league really starts to trend back towards a lot of teams running the ball and playing defense,

will the really good linebackers get valued at a higher rate? That's something we'll have to wait and see. We shall see. There we go. That's five potential trades in the nfl the nfl deadline five from me five from connor let us know what you guys think or let us know what you thought of the trades that we propose we would love to hear from you as well we would love to hear some potential trades that whether it's your favorite team or whether it's a player that you've been paying attention to a fit that you like around the league we'd love to hear it hit us up on twitter at connor j rogers at tapabay trey if you're watching on youtube comment on the youtube

channel and we'll see the comments there in that way and uh we'll talk about some of your suggestions the best fits that we like on the show uh sometime next week absolutely man gonna be a lot of fun um this was a fun week because trade deadline is always really creative, and we did the big stock up. And, of course, we'll have the show Sunday, What Matters Most. Here's eight things that matter most. So another fun week for the pod is we welcome more teams to draft season, baby. That's what it's all about.

Trade deadline will give some of those away. Next Thursday we might have to fix somebody have to we might have another buddy up we might have another fixture franchise bob the builder that's all somebody gee now you're now you're talking about a youtube thumbnail that's absolutely gonna go off baby just a bob the builder straight in the middle of both of us dude we didn't we didn't open the show with what oh the the the trade uh the trade i get i receive you receive receive. I receive, I receive. So it's such an elite meme. Such an elite meme.

It truly is. It truly is. All right, everybody. Well, that's it for us this week. Hopefully you enjoyed the podcast. Hopefully you guys are enjoying the week and you enjoy a great weekend of football, both college football and NFL.

Connor and I are going to be back Monday morning, bright and early to talk about all of it with you. Until then, I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Thanks for listening to the NFL Stock Exchange bright and early to talk about all of it with you until then. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Thanks for listening to the NFL stock exchange. We'll see you next time.