NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 111. Updated Top 10 For 2023 NFL Draft + Week 11 Player Stock Watch

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you the updated top 10 for the 2023 NFL Draft order with team targets and needs, plus bring you six players from college football whose stock is up this week

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode it is our stock watch Wednesday episode which means we are taking a look at the NFL draft order as it stands right now following week 10 in the NFL we're going to take a look at what the draft order was the week prior we're going to see the movement from all the teams who's picking a little bit higher in the order,

who's picking lower because the wins and losses that we saw this past weekend. And we're going to evaluate what kind of players and what kind of strategies a lot of those teams in the top 15 could be deploying if this is the final order, if they were picking in this spot, if the draft were this weekend. We're also going to give you six players that we watch from over the weekend tell you their stocks whether we think it's up down and where we believe they can be drafted i'm trevor sycamore with me as always is connor rogers let's ring the bell Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers joining you guys on a Wednesday edition of the show,

which means it is time for a little stock market update. We're talking about players and prospects for the 2023 NFL Draft. It could be on the up, could be on the down. But also, Connor, because it is that time of the year, we're going to give a stock market update to the draft order itself. November and December are the exciting times where we really pay attention to the draft order as it changes every single week. Different look every single time we do this podcast here. Even though the names might be the same, the order of where they're picking could end up changing everything. So we figured we should probably look at this on a weekly basis from now on which my friend i am very excited to get to

because it always makes for a good conversation of what could be come april me too i think this show has evolved from being just our introducing a lot of different players that are on the rise or could be on the rise and very early draft surface level kind of stuff to now you got to connect the how the league is factoring into this you know this giant puzzle honestly it's I'm sure there are fans of the Texans the Raiders the Panthers uh the Eagles because they have the Saints pick that want to hear how the top 15 top 10 top 5 is looking of the draft so it is this is honestly where it gets really really fun because now you could start to dream big you could start thinking of those jersey swap photoshops and coming to life and all of that so it's exciting man but like we always do we will

do the top 15 top 10 top five but we will uh end this show with our players on the rise as well yeah um always uh always fun to get into jersey swap season that's always my favorite part y'all out there there's so many talented graphics designers who have just either freelance it or do it for a living or whatever it is that y'all never cease to amaze me how quick you are with some not so much some really bad swaps out there that make my day just as much as the good ones. I want to be clear. The ones that look like they have a flak jacket on or whatever it may be. Big helmets. I want to let you know that I appreciate those just as much. So thank you very much.

I'm an extremely amateur like jersey swap person. Where I will do like the terrible cut out of a guy's head and then just using the Instagram app, just like place the head, just like straight on an image that already exists. That's me. That's my, that's my level of Jersey swapping, but it doesn't really get much. Uh, it doesn't get much more skilled than that. So about that's, that's about as far as I go in that world. I love it. All right. Let's, um, let's take a look. I mean, let's get into it as plenty of teams that have been losing, continue to lose this weekend. If you listen to what matters most, isn't it kind of funny, Trevor?

I'm sure the people that listen to all three shows we do a week, or at least the first two of the week. It's like if you root for one of the teams that barely got any play on what matters most, the good news is your teams get all of the play the following show so we're all about balance here on the nfl stock exchange that is very true that's actually a great way to look at it i never even thought about it like that and you're right i do feel bad for a lot of the teams that we don't talk about on monday just because we're we're out here talking about a lot of the teams that are winning that are playing in the biggest games that have a lot

of playoff implications but then wednesday we're right around here, given the full scope for NFL fans that didn't get a lot of words on Monday. Here, you're going to get plenty of words on a Wednesday. So which one should we do first? Do you want me to read off the order as it stands right now, or do you want me to read the order as it was last week and then do how it is now? Let's go through the new order, maybe highlight if there it was last week and then do how it is now let's go through the new order maybe highlight if there were any massive changes and then really get into the meat and potatoes of

what some of these picks could be okay all right so i'll fire this off this is what the order is following week 10 in the nfl houston texans still have the number one overall pick so not a change there las vegas raiders now sitting at number two overall. Those are two teams that have separated themselves from the pack. The Houston Texans are seven or sorry, one, seven and one. And then the Las Vegas Raiders are two and seven. The rest of these teams that I'm going to name either have three wins or four wins as we go through the top 15. Carolina Panthers are sitting there at number three. There's a handful of teams tied for number four.

Hold on. This is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine teams with three wins. They're either three and six or three and seven. So obviously the teams that are three and seven are going to be a little bit higher in the order. Four of those don't have their own picks. Isn't it crazy?

It's crazy. Like you have all these teams have the same records but most of them don't even have their picks so you have all these other fan bases that are having a good year that are rooting for that race to break up i well i want to i want to have that exact conversation in a second let me i'll get through the order carolina's sitting here at number three the philadelphia eagles because the new orleans saints are sitting there at number four new orleans is three and seven just having a terrible season but Philly owns that pick crazy enough Jacksonville they're back in the top five they're currently picking number five overall

Chicago Bears at number six then we've got the Seattle Seahawks via the Denver Broncos the Detroit Lions via the Los Angeles Rams and the Houston Texans via the Cleveland Browns at seven eight and nine Pittsburgh's at 10. Detroit's at 11. Atlanta Falcons at 12. Arizona Cardinals at 13. Green Bay Packers are sitting there at 14. And then the Indianapolis Colts sitting there at 15.

We talked a little bit last week whether or not we thought the Colts were going to start to creep into the top 10. Not so fast, my friend. Not yet, at least. The Saturday era starting off 1-0, baby. Dude, it is wild that we have four picks in the top nine that do not belong to their original teams. Now, I'm wondering. My question to you is, Connor, do you think that this year, let's say that it ends up something like this,

where all four of these picks are in the top 10 would that deter teams in the future do you think this draft in particular will deter teams from maybe going as all in towards the f them pick strategy that we've seen from the rams and so many other teams because you've realized you realize that like damn okay we got burned pretty hard here we made a trade that we thought was going to make a major difference for us and now we're not even picking in the top 10 of the NFL draft because shoot man even if you're not picking like late 20s like you thought you start getting in the top 15 top 20 especially top 10 that hurts man that hurts the pride and it hurts the team building a lot so I'm curious do you think that

this is going to have a ripple effect in the next couple of years? Largely? No. Now there are a few examples of, yes, it does matter. It process,

right? That's what we're talking. We're talking about process here. The Rams would do that a hundred times because they want a Superbowl with Matt Stafford. So the Rams, as much as they're probably not thrilled how this year has gone, you can never sit here and say the say what the Rams did was not worth it

because they won a Super Bowl. And I'm not saying the Rams won the trade against the Lions. It's not that. But the Rams definitely won the end they wanted, and the Lions can still win it. It's actually a weird trade that could be a grand slam for both sides. You look at the Browns, they had to know the situation that Watson was going to be suspended one of the years

that they were giving that selection to Houston, and they still think Watson can take them over the top. We'll see. So, no. Denver, as much as you can poke holes in that process now like it i do think there is something to a lot of people overlooked that russ was not necessarily the same guy at the end there in seattle and some of it was health related and those two things have carried over to denver chasing a franchise quarterback is a process tre, that we will never see go away.

Like there'll be millions of teams lining up to do this again. The one, and I saved it for last on purpose, that we definitely, we criticized at the time. So this isn't, I'm not like straw man argument or anything like that here. There's a show somewhere in this feed of however many shows we've done over a hundred now. The Saints trade never really made a ton of sense value-wise and process-wise. So they just thought they were better than they were. And for the crowd that loves to scream, the cap is a myth. Eventually you do lose good players, if you always say that over and over again.

And I love Chris Alave, and I get being aggressive for a player of his talent. And I know Trevor Penning's been hurt. That's what a lot of people would counter to me. I don't really think Trevor Penning is going to be your savior franchise tackle. The Saints process to me, Trevor, is the one that you could poke holes in and teams should look around and go, man, you should know when to fold your cards and walk away from the table yeah that one they thought they were still a contender this year they did still think that they were a contender this year i thought they'd be better

than this i did yeah i did too because i've tried so that i'm trying to remember all the elements of the saints trade because i don't want to be too hard on it eagles traded kind of bad from the gecko eagles traded 16 and 19 for 18 overall and then a 2023 first round pick and then a 2024 second round pick so essentially the saints i think went into this draft class saying that we wanted a top tier offensive playmaker and we wanted an offensive tackle and obviously you're sitting there you only have pick number 18 you can't check both of those boxes with only one pick so they made a calculated risk thinking that they were going to be better next year that their pick was going to be lower than year, that their pick was going to be lower than, say, either 16 or 19 was going to be, and it was going to be justifiable.

So you get two first-round picks in 2022. It was going to slingshot them to be better. They were going to get Michael Thomas back. Jameis Winston was going to be better. The defense was going to be better, all that kinds of stuff. It didn't work out, and it clearly didn't work out to what you were saying, where this is a crash and burn like they're not only are they not picking lower than 16 or 19 they're picking fourth and that's abysmal and even that part i didn't expect and i don't think anybody

really expected that but it's it that just kind of all of these trades man just go to the fact that like nothing is guaranteed but i also agree with you i pose the question like this because i think a lot of people are going to be asking it there's a lot of teams that got burned from trading first round picks so is it going to be a sign of caution moving forward or teams going to be less willing to do this i guess is the is is what i'm saying but to your point i agree with you no no i think that if you as long as you don't have hindsight involved then look every team that's making a deal when they make a deal thinks that they're getting the better of the trade that's why you make the deal you only make the deal if you think

that it's going to help you in all of these situations you could argue that it was going to help all of these teams and that they would have been okay with it and i don't really see that changing it's hard to imagine that any franchise that would be willing to move on from a first round pick via a trade would think or believe that their roster wasn't in a spot where that was advantageous anyways so i do man i i think that we're just going to continue to keep this trend moving forward. I think people are going to continue to trade their first round picks. And especially when it's for quarterbacks and it's for these massive swings of the bat, I don't think there's going to be too much of a change there. So one last caveat.

The Eagles also got a 2024 second rounder. Right. So like you were right where you're betting on you know the over under is 16 but even if they missed on that bet and they went over 16 they made up for it on the lovely points chart with the insurance of that second rounder that's why they got that pick because they were like now we can't lose no matter where the pick is because the value will always be on our side it's either even or we win by a mile they won by a mile they definitely how he's good man he's very good at this very good he is very good look a lot of

people like to go after gm is because it's an easy thing to do because when when the team doesn't play well for whatever reason um you can you can blame a lot of it on team building but and another thing is that like being a general manager especially in the draft world could blame a lot of it on team building but and another thing is that like being a general manager especially in the draft world it's a lot like baseball right where you look at baseball hitters and if a guy hit 400 right if he got on base four out of ten times less than 50 you'd call him a hall of famer right i don't know if the math is exactly like that for a general manager but gms are going to swing the bat they're going to fail that's just part of the job that's You'd call him a hall of famer, right? I don't know if the math is exactly like that for a general manager, but GMs are going to swing the bat and they're going to fail.

That's just part of the job. That's what the job always is. You just want to make sure that you're still sound in your process and that you have logic behind everything that you're going to do. And I think that when things get bad for GMs, like if teams are disappointing one way or the other, it's very easy to point out a GM's mistakes. You know why? Because they're always going to exist. They're always going to be there. But you do have to kind of accept that, especially if you're an owner and you're in charge of these

things. You can't be too rash with your decisions and you have to say like, hey, yeah, like every general manager is going to miss. Yeah, maybe the team's a little bit disappointing. But were we okay with the moves? Were we okay with the logic of those moves? Did they make sense? Well, okay. Then the moves that we're going to make moving forward, we've got to have faith that they're also going to turn out because the game is a little bit of luck, a little bit of chance as well.

You know, you have to factor that in there. But anyways, now I'm going off on a tangent. No, it's a great point. You're absolutely right in a sense that now i'm going off on a tangent no it's a great point you're absolutely right um in a sense that because i've now this isn't like a you know a flex in any sense but people i've talked to that have either um you know failed places or worked for gms that have failed the thing they will always tell you is that they make those moves that fans kind of react to, like, really? Like, that's the move you're making?

Because you'd rather, like you said, Trevor, go up there and swing than take the chance of staring at three pitches down the middle and you're fired and you never get the shot again. Right, right. You know, I think of it like all the GMs that don't get their chance because they tried to outline this four-year plan and they don't really do anything the first two years. Then the team stinks and then the owner is like, you know, let's just move on from this anyway. Right. And you never get a shot again. So that mental part of it plays plays into why those moves get made.

Yep. Yep. No, no doubt about it. And shoot, we talked a lot aboutris ballard here on this podcast because the colts have been very much in the news but like ballard's even getting criticism for not swinging the bat right so and i think that that's just my overarching thing here is that when you judge general managers there will always be something to point to hey you gave that guy a contract and he wasn't worth it hey you made this draft picket and wasn't worth it hey you gave that guy a contract and he wasn't worth it hey you made this draft pick and it wasn't worth it hey you didn't make this move and it ended up not being worth it that's just the general manager's job and so going all the way back to howie roseman like howie roseman has things that he failed that right everybody some of the draft picks jj orthego whiteside andre dillard uh um jalen rager right a lot of these draft picks that just straight up did not pan out for them. And yet, hear how he sits, probably going to win executive of the year because of what he has been able to do.

He has been able to overcome those mistakes because his process, I think, has been very sound. And he's continued to follow his gut, if you will, not be scared to do what he needs to do. And I think that that's an important quality for a general manager. It's's a great point it really is it's it's just part of the process man that guys have to pick their spot but they you do have to choose at some point and if any general man or if any uh nfl team owner is listening this podcast just so you know we connor and i put it all out there if you want us to code g a team, we can do that for you.

Just, I want to make sure that any NFL owner out there knows that we will code GM your NFL team. We are saying we will go balls to the wall when we get that job. That's what we're, we're letting you know is that we are going to, it may, it might not be well-received. It might not even work. We're going to try something for top 50 picks for Brian Burns. That's what we're going to, it might not be well received. It might not even work. We're going to offer something.

Four top 50 picks for Brian Burns. That's what we're going to do. No, okay, probably not. Four, probably not. Oh, man. Okay, so I did want to highlight a little bit of the changes since this is the Stock Exchange podcast. I feel like a good way to talk about the draft order every single week is to identify some up and down with teams.

Houston, we said they're number one. They were number one last week as well. Carolina and Las Vegas, they flip spots. Last week, Carolina was picking number two. Now Las Vegas is picking number two. So Vegas kind of in the driver's seat there. Pittsburgh Steelers are picking four last week. This week, they're picking 10 because of their big win.

Lions, they were also, they were picking fifth last week. They're picking 11th now, again, because of their big win. Philadelphia Eagles, they were picking sixth. Now they're picking fourth. Arizona Cardinals, seventh. Cardinals now at 13. They go way down because they won. Jacksonville was picking eight.

Now they're picking five. Chicago Bears, nine. Now they're picking six. Green Bay at 10, now 14. Ooh, Seattle. Oh, Seattle took a jump Seattle was 11 now they're sitting there at seven um and then a couple of the other traded teams that they're moving up a little bit because all of those teams lost as well Indianapolis Atlanta Falcons um Washington Commanders they're all still sitting around that 12 to 16 range so not a ton of shake up there but connor i said that there's nine teams

right now with three wins nine teams they either have seven losses or six losses right now depending on if they have had their bye week or not that means that the margin for error if you want a high pick is very small every single win that you get right now is going to just drop you like a rock in the draft order it's going to drop you out of the top five it's going to drop you out of the top 10 it's going to get you all the way out of there especially for the teams that were picking a lot higher due to their strength of schedule but it looks like looks like Pittsburgh obviously one of the big movers in the wrong direction well depending on how you look at it, going the wrong direction at 10, Detroit sitting there at 11. I feel like Detroit's one of those teams where, man,

you'd love for both of those picks to be in the top 10. They got pick number eight and they got pick number 11 right now, but for as much as I want to see, how far does that get you? Right. Yeah. Right. I, I did. Detroit's one of those teams, man, that. They got to get a little higher with those picks, I think. So that's, that's kind of those teams, man, that they got to get a little higher with those picks, I think. So that's kind of where – that's where mine immediately goes with Detroit picking 8 and 11 right now.

You'd like both those picks in the top 10. Imagine the Eagles are picking ultimately in its top five. Now, I will say second, just to make this real fun, with that Saints pick, and they get both of the Lions picks to move back. Well, yeah, that's the interesting part of this equation, is that if Philly ends up picking, I mean, even probably not top four. If Philly can get to the number two overall pick,

because here's the thing detroit needs a quarterback right they detroit needs a quarterback they cannot go into next year with jared goff there's not a big quarterback market outside of lamar jackson's going to do i don't think lamar jackson gets out of baltimore ultimately so the rest of what you have is i mean maybe an aaron rogers kind of trade if that just goes absolutely off the rails derrick carr uh j, Jimmy Garoppolo. But, I mean, do you really want to invest in those guys? No, you need a young guy in there.

So if Detroit's sitting here and they've got the, let's just say, sixth overall pick and tenth overall pick when it's all said and done, that's not good enough, I don't think. The quarterbacks that you want are probably going to be off the board at that point. And if Philly's sitting there at number two overall saying, you get one of Bryce Young or C.J. Stroudoud you just got to give me six and ten to do it lions are probably doing that yeah i think so lions are probably doing that so and i agree

with your other point like i don't think those guys that you mentioned are better than jared goff right now you're saying that's taking like taking aaron rogers on for 50 mil or taking on derrick carr yeah or jimmy g i think god is definitely better than jimmy g i mean car there's an argument to be had of course like i think goff what people think goff is versus what goff actually is is very different and i'm not saying here i'm on some jared goff stan or that he's a top 10 quarterback but in that lion's offense you could do a lot worse than jared goff where to if you're making the move it needs to be substantially better not almost lateral here's the here's the biggest issue for me on what's going on with the detroit lions i know we're spending a lot of time talking about the lions but i really do think yeah i think

that this team really controls the top 10 because depending on where where one of these picks ends up they're one of these teams that I think are going to have to get desperate depending on where the quarterback market is. By the time that we get to April, you say that you could do a lot worse than Jared Goff. And I agree that you could definitely do a lot worse than Jared Goff, but Jared Goff doesn't save Dan Campbell or Brad Holmes jobs I think like no I agree if you go into next year with Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes still

in place of the general manager and the head coach you can't also have Jared Goff because I can already tell you you're not going to win enough football games to where those guys keep their job a year from now so if that's the case you might as well fire him now and you might as well cut jared goff now or one of the like something one or the other you just you can't run it back is basically what i'm saying so detroit does have the ability to hold the this this draft or at least the beginning of it in the palm of their hand with what they end up doing and i think that that's a yeah that's i mean that's a that's a major point right there you mentioned houston as well houston sitting there at one houston sitting there at nine currently so they have two top 10 picks they also control a lot of this draft right now so i don't know what about the rest of the order

anything really stick out to you as it stands today i think when watson comes back and not that jacoby's been an issue but it feels like the browns that Houston pick won't be top 10. We'll see. It feels like that there could be movement there. I mean, what really stands out to me besides the musical chairs at quarterback with Houston, Las Vegas, Carolina, maybe Detroit trying to make some moves to get up into that conversation.

Atlanta kind of already won too many games and they play competitive football. So that's an issue is what that Jacksonville, Chicago area looks like for their young quarterbacks, right? You're assuming that Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields are the quarterbacks for 2023, no matter how they finish this season right now, they both had highs. They both had lows this year, but they are obviously going to get that both had highs they both had lows this year but they are obviously going to get that year three as they should jacksonville's at five chicago's at six the two questions are what do they need to get those guys over the top and is it present in the draft and i think offensive line right away because I don't really see this draft is

at the moment of having a playmaker that goes in the top six picks that you think is going to change the game for you and I don't really think either line has been overly good where you can sit there and say man they don't need a cornerstone in that spot yeah I mean you look at Chicago and I think that their offensive line has been a lot better as of late run blocking right but that goes back to kind of what we've talked about on monday podcast they know their identity like chicago clearly knows their identity now for this year and it's running the football it's either running the football in khalil herbert or david montgomery's hands or it's just or justin fields keeping it himself and adding another element to the run game. In order for the Chicago Bears to progress,

in order for them to actually become a threat, they then have to pass the ball better. Not only is that a thing about Justin Fields himself passing the ball better, being more accurate, getting the ball placement where it needs to be, that also means you've got to get better pass blockers on the offensive line. You've got to address some of that. And of course, you've got to get better playmakers in the passing game as well. They went and they traded for Chase Claypool,

so they're hoping that that's an addition for them there. But I truly believe that they're still missing that wide receiver one type. If they can go out and get a wide receiver one type, and I don't know if that's in that draft. I mean, maybe it's Quentin Johnston, but I also think, I'm going to be honest with you, I like Qu quentin johnston i think he's a good wide receiver i think we're overvaluing for him for just because the rest of the class doesn't really give you the ability that he does i'm curious is it you kind of okay so you do agree i look at it like this because i try to

think back to last year i don't think he's better than drake london no i don't think he's better than garrett wilson nope i don't think he's better than jay nope nope he's not better than chris i think a lobby had a way higher floor coming into the league a way more projectable floor yeah who am i missing that went really early john dawson went early yeah i mean there's a lot of the book to be written on quentin johnson's rest of his season and the evaluation. But I agree, Trevor. I think that's the issue is that I think we've been really spoiled with these guys that come in and can elevate young quarterbacks right away. And I just haven't found that guy unless he goes to a perfect situation in this class like if you stick

right like jackson smith and jigba who's been hurt in you know the end around one and you put him wherever you know the ravens uh the chiefs the packers these wide receiver needy teams the cowboys you're like yeah he going to have a good rookie season. When you put those guys at the top of the draft with offenses that are still trying to get their feet wet, you're like, I don't know. I don't know yet. I just don't know how much they move the needle, you know? Yeah.

I'd love for there to be an absolute superstar. Like, I'd love for there to be Garrett Wilson or Draco Lave. Drake London. Drake Lave. Drake London. Draco Lave. Yeah, doing the Dragon Ball Z thing where they synchronize and they become the same person, Draco Lave. I can't remember what that movie's called now. It's going to eat me alive all day for it.

But this class is just missing that. And so when we do a lot of these, I think the Jacksonville, that is a main catalyst to why they made the deal for Calvin Ridley. I think they're doing a lot of future scouting. They're looking at the upcoming free agency class of wide receivers, not very strong. They're looking at this, this potential 2023 NFL draft class. And though there is something like,

it's not like there's that home run star that's right there. So I think both of those teams going to back to what our original question was, I think both of those teams are probably going to look offensive line as well. And we've got some good offensive linemen who seem to be emerging this year. Peter Skronsky, Paris Johnson. Oh yeah.

I mean like a lot of these dudes are. Olu Fashanu. Olu Fashanu. Yeah. Roger Jones. All of these dudes are kind of like coming to the forefront of like, all right, they're all probably going to go top 20.

You know, a lot of these dudes are going to go top 20. Yeah, I agree. You will be okay with that right there. Ooh, something I wanted to ask. Philly's sitting there at four. Okay. Let's say they don't trade back.

You're at four and you're the Philadelphia Eagles. Three quarterbacks are off the board. Just have a little fun. Just say three quarterbacks are off the board. I know where you're going. Will Anderson or Jalen Carter, who are you picking? Oh, man. There's no wrong answer.

No, there's not. And by no wrong answer, I mean they're both wrong answers because whoever wants the other guy is going to come after you in the comments, which is why I asked you about it. So here's my answer, and I will not sit on the fence. For the Eagles, it's will anderson i still think i think jaylen carter has been the better player this year yes yes i would agree i would agree wholeheartedly that jaylen carter's like confidently i think jaylen carter has been the better more impactful football player this year

see now i'm going back and forth now now i go back and forth a lot on this, and now you're making me, now that I'm saying it out loud, I feel like John Carter's right. But I still think Willie Anderson's really, really good, and I think the Eagles need an edge for next year. You get Fletcher back on a one-year deal. Hargrave has been really good. Milton Williams. Is Hargrave a free agent?

I thought he has one more year. I'm going to check right now. I'm going to look. I thought he signed a three-year. He signed a three-year deal. Oh, it voids. He is a free agent. Yeah, it turns into void years.

Oh, buddy, boy's going to get paid again. Oh, wow, yeah. He's only 30 next year, and he's playing really well this year. He's a really good player. Buddy. Wow. Wow, the Eagles put some void years on this bad boy you see this three of them they have three void years on his yep how you're an absolute madman and they have jordan davis as well right remember that too

yes yes of course god as i stare at our lads because he's on the ir how could i forget Jordan Davis? I think it's Will Anderson. Okay. All right. I do. I think it might be Jalen Carter. Is he just too good?

Is that the question? He's just such a good player. If I was finalizing a big board right now, I'd have Jalen Carter above Will Anderson. I might too, which is crazy. Not crazy because it's just that I think Will Anderson is so good. It goes to show you what Jalen Carter has done. Is Fletcher Cox going to be there one more year?

For like a month. Is Fletcher Cox going to be there? I think he's on a one-year deal. Yeah, he is on a one-year deal, isn't he? Because I would love – So that lets you move on from one of them but i would love a world where jaylen carter years who does who does fletcher cox no way does he really have in heartgrave him and heartgrave both have three void years

how are you having to live an animal he's an animal love a world where fletcher cox is back for one more year and could legitimately teach jalen carter more of his like pass rush savviness and then it's oh yeah year two of jordan davis in the nfl and then jalen carter with fletcher cox mentoring him i think that you have then oh i love that yeah just that the idea of that is so tempting to me honestly if the draft were today if i was finalizing a big board today i think that you have then oh i love that it just that the idea of that is so tempting to me honestly if the draft were today if i was finalizing a big board today i think i would actually take jalen carter for the eagles instead of will anderson i also think fletcher will come back another i think it'll be an affordable way i think he'll come back he He is 32 on December 13th. Okay.

Because didn't he think about retiring? Yeah. I mean, he's not obviously what he was, but I think you can get him back in the mold how they brought Kelsey back this year to mentor the next guy up. How Kelsey is mentoring Cam Juergens. Kelsey helped him draft Cam Juergens. Kelsey helped him draft Cam Juergens.

I think there's a player relationship in that building that they would go to Fletcher, have him scout Jalen Carter if he was interested, and if they drafted Jalen, Fletcher would come back on a team-friendly-ish deal and handle that role of, I'm'm gonna get this young d-line room right before i go into the sunset oh they do they do have that's what i blame they do have milton williams as well does that move the needle for you at all yep i mean like yeah maybe i haven't

seen him play this year maybe it is um obviously when they took him he was a project ish kind of player nobody thought milton williams was going to come in and light the league on fire I'm going to pull up his his uh he's playing a lot of snaps well that's because uh he's gonna be Davis is out Jordan Davis is out yes but even before he got yeah you're right his steps have gone up a little since Jordan Davis is out but he's consistently getting 15 to 35 ish snaps a game he's not putting up the pass rush production i thought he would who williams he's only got four yeah he's got four hurries one quarterback hit one sack so and once again i'd rather watch the tape before i write off milton williams um because i think he could still be effective but that's not stopping you So, and once again, I'd rather watch the tape before I write off Milton Williams, because I think he could still be effective.

But that's not stopping you from the Jalen Carter plan, right? No, probably not. Probably. Not much in this world is. No, there's not much stopping Jalen Carter on the field. There's not much that would stop my love for Jalen Carter as a draft prospect. Before we kind of move on, because I do want to get to our three players that we're talking about for stock market.

Houston, Las Vegas, Carolina. We're thinking quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, because it gets interesting now. What are we doing? Forrest and Will Levis all the way up there? Yeah. Or Carolina's currently sitting there at third. Let's say Bryce Young, CJ Stroud goes boom, boom, one, two.

Or actually, how about I pose it to you this way? You got three teams at the top, Houston, Las Vegas, Carolina. All three of them need a quarterback. Let's say there's only two to go around. Let's say the only two that these teams deem worthy are Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud. Which one of these teams, though, would be most likely to not take a quarterback is it the raiders yeah it's vegas them picking it too so what do you think they'd pick one of will anderson or jaylen carter that would probably what they do they would take jaylen carter

they they've needed that interior player for a while they do need they do need an interior player their o-line's so bad though man i almost feel like you're right it's tricky if the raiders are sitting there honestly they might do the same thing that the eagles that i that i said the eagles would do and if the raiders sitting there at two you trade with detroit's two first round picks and you get two first round picks out of it. Yep. That makes a lot of sense. I mean, I answered my own question, but yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I think that I must feel like it's best for both sides for car to get a fresh start somewhere else. But I don't, you never know what Mark Davis is thinking. These press conferences don't mean anything this time of year, but if I was a betting man right now, I would put it at 60-40 that McDaniels and that New England-ish front office is back.

As much as Sunday night we were like, hey, you got it wrong, just admit it. I'm not there yet that that's happening. There has to be a solution, right? You can't just fire a guy with no direction. You can't just be emotional about it and be like, wow, we lost to the Jeff Saturday Colts. Get the hell out of here. You have to fire a guy with no direction you can't just be emotional about it and be like wow we lost the chef saturday cold to get the hell out of here you have to fire a guy within a plan afterwards to immediately recover off of that so if they have the plan and they like the contingency plan then

you can move on from them but if not like if there's not another coach that they think could be a better option that they want to take over that team or whatever it is then uh then you don't think you're probably gonna roll with them the next year. And keep this in mind. I'm looking this up right now. They reached a contract settlement with Gruden, it looks like, about a year ago. Okay.

So you paid out Gruden to an undisclosed amount. Are you going to fire McDaniels after this year and then hire another coach? Are you firing the GM that McDaniels brought with him for this job? How many guys are you paying at once? And I'm not saying that's right or wrong. These guys are billionaires. Right.

I'm saying how they think. They don't like having multiple guys on the payroll that do not work for them. They do not work for them. They don't like that. Yeah. So. I don't't know something to think about here something to think about all right we'll get to our uh our three guys that we're going to talk about here on the uh the stock market episode to give you some extra prospects to have on your radar for the remainder of what is the regular season college football just a couple of weeks left but before we get to that gotta talk to you about our friends over at Mojo.

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Let's put our life expectancy at a low bar of 60 years old each. So we got about almost 30 full years. Make it to the GM seat? Tricky. You're right. Eileen, no. You know, it's a lot closer to yes. It's a lot more, yeah.

Right. I was going to say. It's a lot closer. Yeah, right, right. It's a lot closer than it was before. I don't know. I would love to see it. I'd love to see it.

Obviously, we got Mayock. You know, like, we got Mayock to that seat. It didn't go very well, but it did happen. We did get to that seat it didn't go very well but it did happen we did get mayock there did not go very well yeah i don't bring that one up a lot anymore um it's i mean i know baseball and hockey and basketball have actually been much more open to hires like that in scouting or executive positions football is a big gatekeeping league in a way where i think it's going to take a little bit for that door to open because god forbid somebody does it and is good at it right it's problematic like floodgate anyway all right let's get to the stock market

portion of the show talking about these player prof prospects who's going up who's going down connor who's your first guy you want to bring to the table today first one today is totally tui pelotu somebody that yeah d line from usc um somebody that i don't remember how much he got on our summer scouting episode but i know he was definitely involved in some capacity. And he's been really good this year. He's been really good this year. He's officially gotten double-digit sacks all in the year after a really big – he kind of devoured Colorado's offensive line last week.

He had two sacks. One was a strip sack. Three more hurries on top of that. Saw speed – just the straight speed to power just drove a tackle back into the quarterback's lap on on one play rip move uh he looks really good man he looks really really good i know it feels like scouting for the pack always kind of turns up late you hear less buzz on pack players it feels like maybe because they're playing at later games or just the West coast or whatever it may be.

And obviously it's not a conference that overwhelmingly floods with NFL draft talent, but there's absolutely plenty of really high end talent. So Tully looks really, really good, man. And an edge class that just gets deeper by the week, Trevor, every time I go into our database or watch some more edge players or counting all the guys from summer, I don't know besides Will Anderson if it's a star-loaded edge class. But it feels like there's a lot of capable pass rushers

that will go from rounds two to four this year. Yeah, I think that's a really good way to put it. Even back into the first round, I think we know that edge rushers are going to get there. So you may not see a ton of edge rushers in the top 20, but I do feel like this class is lending itself to there being a lot of edge rushers in the top 100. You know, like as you get towards the end of the third round,

as we get into the fourth round as well, there's just going to be a lot of different edge rushers. So it's good. I'm glad that you're throwing him on the radar. I feel like we've brought a lot of new guys to the table on top of what we were able to do in summer scouting as well. So always good to get edge rushers, man. The NFL is,

are always going to go after different kinds of pass rushers, different guys with shapes and sizes to play in even fronts and odd fronts guys that are more speed guys that are more power, lighter guys, heavier guys, whatever it is, edge rush plays. It's just uh there's so much of a preference on it so many different things that you could do that it's good to make sure that you cast a wide net when you're in your scouting profiles and when you're building out your big boards just because you know the nfl is going to cover these different guys for

different teams um speaking of some guys with some unique builds all shapes and sizes how about a cornerback that's six foot2", 205 pounds? I'm talking about Jalen Jones, the corner from Texas A&M. He has started all 28 games of his college career going back to 2020 as a true freshman, which is pretty damn impressive. Obviously, the measurables totally stick out to you when you're looking at cornerbacks. A lot of the average height, I think, for a corner in the NFL is right around 5'10", 5'11". So anytime you get a guy who's above six foot, it's somebody who's worth noting to

see, okay, can this guy play? Can we make something out of this guy? Because he's giving you a plus in the build and the measurables. Jones, I'll say that the reason why you like bigger corners is the prospect of them being able to come up on you, play in man coverage, get their hands on you in press, and be able to hang with some of these wide receivers one-on-one. Not sure that's Jones' game. For as much as there is a lot to like,

and I feel like he's playing really well this year. I know Mike Renner likes him a lot. I know he's in the top, I think, 25 of Mike Renner's updated top 100 big board. Wow. He is very patient. He's very calm. It doesn't seem like there's any panic in his game. But he's not the kind of guy that's going to come up to the line of scrimmage I think in Prescia with a ton of

success he's an off cover three kind of a corner and he'll give you a little bit of a cushion but he manages the cushion well he doesn't really get beat deep over the top but I will say that when he's got to open up and when he's got to run deep down the field with guys sometimes the athleticism doesn't always show up so that makes me think all right there's a reason why they're playing him in off coverage there's a reason why they're not playing him up close towards the live scrimmage it's because he might get beat over the top a little bit more than you'd like but he seems to really understand the space that he gives wide receivers right off the snap makes him a really nice cover three corner a really nice zone corner i think that he's got that saban shuffle if you will mastered

how he gets down the field where he doesn't have to fully flip his hips and turn and have his back to the ball he can really squeeze you to the sideline limit that kind of um limit that kind of ability and route stem from a wide receiver where you know he'll just keep retreating a little bit closer to the line scrimmage closer to the line scrimmage and all of a sudden you're using that out of bounds marker almost as like as an extra defender. So he's very smart in that regard, and I like the way that he plays there. Again, a patient dude, seems to have a calmness to his game.

There's not a lot of panic, which is great, but the athleticism is just the big thing for me. If you're running a cover three system, he seems to know what his assignments are really well, and he seems to be in control and in charge of his zones but you don't want him running one-on-one even with a lot of wide receivers at the nfl level i just don't know if he's going to keep up i'll say this too last thing i'll get i'll end with a positive on him physical guy you know when he does get up and get hands on you he's comfortable with it he likes it he prefers it he's also a really. He likes it. He prefers it.

He's also a really nice tackler. A lot of the key plays that we have in our database are of him getting through blocks, coming up towards the line scrimmage, making tackles either when the ball arrives or in the backfield or not too far after that, you know, not giving guys a lot of yards after the catch. So definitely not afraid to be physical. I know a lot of teams are going to love that in his profile they're going to love his length as well maybe a little bit of a worry with that with the top end athleticism but if you're a team that predominantly plays cover three

you're going to like the length and you're going to like the mentality of jalen jones from texas a lot of teams looking for cover three quarters coverage split those kind of corners that are big like that and play with awareness and uh man if you're a bigger corner you you just get a little bit of a boost on board always for a lot of teams and rightly so i mean i don't want to use tarik one for everything but it feels like every year there was a tarik wool and not level athlete but bigger project corner and when they hit like he has it's just worth taking that swing. And certain teams even have thresholds for corner size.

That'll help a player like that. So another, another one for me who it's fascinating because he's just lighting it up, but I don't, I have no idea truly where his draft process is going to go. And that's Tanner Mordecai, the quarterback for SMU. I mean, is going to go and that's tanner mordecai the quarterback for smu yes i mean he's got 11

touchdowns in his last two games he threw nine against houston and uh he's got 15 touchdowns in his last five games obviously at smu they throw the ball all over the yard but Trevor this week against USF he had six big time throws and his completion percentage was 81.5 nice you watch some of those big time throws there was one that was dropped that was just beautiful beautiful I mean Mordecai is interesting right he's a former four-star transferred from Oklahoma he's really really turned it on this year for smu i did some research before this show to figure out where he might stand he was there was 36 uh this is a tweet from joseph hoyt who covers uh a lot of college it looks like for dallas news he said 36 quarterbacks featured on the senior

bowl watch list uh tanner mordecai a redshirt senior was not one so i mean obviously he's played really well this year his stock up his stock is up maybe not a senior bowl quarterback maybe not a guy that declares he has that extra year of eligibility if he wants it but maybe a shrine quarterback maybe nflpa very interesting how you evaluate someone that he's 6 3 2 15 he's making beautiful throws he's super productive what is his process going to look like i'm excited to dive in yeah it's very yeah that's very interesting that he wasn't on that uh that he wasn't on that list i mean you mentioned the nfl always kind of going after corners who are a little bit

bigger have a little bit more length to them i feel like if you're a quarterback and you got a lot of big time throws the nfl is going to take a chance on you too right all you got to do is hit it big on one quarterback and everything could be different for you so i wonder if that'll change as we get closer to draft season if he uh ends up declaring where he ends up going for for an all star game because i do think he's going to end up at one of them it's just um where he ends up declaring where he ends up going for an all-star game. Because I do think he's going to end up at one of them. It's just where he ends up going. I want to highlight DeJuan Jones, the offensive tackle for Ohio State. We've talked a lot about Paris Johnson Jr. on the other side of things, their left tackle.

Well, Ohio State's right tackle has been getting some pub lately as well. And I hadn't had a chance to really get some eyes on him. And I did earlier this week, was able to watch a couple of games of him and i'll just give you guys my thoughts on him so he's six foot eight 360 pounds the man is skyscraper alert he he reminds you of mckay beckton he really does i was reading a story up on dewanuan Jones as I was doing some background information, and he's actually lost weight. I think he was right around 375, 380 is what the article was saying, and he had to lose a little bit of weight, lost about 10, 15 pounds coming into the season. And Jones said he felt great after even just taking off 10 to 15 pounds.

He felt healthier. He felt more balanced. He felt more in control. And he actually said that he wants to eventually get down to 345, 350. And I think that's probably the comfortable weight for him that you want to see him get to. As you would expect from a player who is that big. I mean, if you get in between the shoulders of this guy, it's over. I mean, there's just if he starts running and he's got his full momentum to you, there's not much that you can do. Whether you're a linebacker, a defensive tackle, a defensive end, he is definitely going to absolutely run you over.

He played left tackle very sparingly as a freshman and a sophomore at Ohio State before finding a home at right tackle, which he's been able to start over the last two years. True senior, so he's got that senior tag, so it's his fourth year at Ohio State. For reference, Mekhi Becton was about six foot seven, 365 pounds. They do have somewhat similar styles. I would say that Jones is not as much of a bully. He's not as aggressive in a run game.

Like Mackay Beckton would absolutely erase you in the run game. I don't see that kind of a mean streak with DeJuan Jones. When I say that they're similar, what i'm talking about is more of the negatives unfortunately because for as much as as this is a sport where the saying rings true big people beat up little people and you're always just trying to get the bigger giants on your team because it often goes well for you jones unfortunately the natural negatives of being that big show up one way is that just a lot of mass to move man and so he's not going to be able to fire off the ball the arms the legs the the shoulders the everything it's just not going to move as fast as it is for say when you watch paris johnson jr right on the other side

of the line scrimmage when he's boom firing off the snap getting his hands up getting into his kick slide like all the age just like boom you can see the athleticism there but paris johnson jr is what 310 315 right he's got about 50 less pounds on him than duane jones does and i do think that jones moves decently well for a player of his size, but anytime you're that big, there's only so fast you can go, right? It's like how people talk about Darnell Washington, the tight end at Georgia, right? When I watch Darnell Washington, I'm like, yeah, he's athletic for his size, but he still ain't moving like super well.

And what can you expect? He's just so big. You're trying to move so much mass so with dewan jones anytime he's trying to execute any kind of zone blocking where you're getting him to go horizontal it's a little tough anytime you're asking him to reach block even though he's big it's tough because he's got to move around he's got to flip the hips and he's got to you know he's got to turn the shoulders and he's got to make sure he beats the offensive line to the spot if you're asking him to climb to the second level he can get up there yeah he's got he's he's a little bit lighter

on the feet to get to the second level but i feel like i saw a lot of defenders get across his face very easily just because it's tough for him to keep up with them those guys are moving and exploding a lot faster than he is able to i will also say that an area of his game that has to, has to, has to get better is naturally when he stands up as a six foot eight individual, the hands are up here just because he's way taller. So if he's going up against a six foot one, six foot two edge rusher who can really get down into their stance and a three point stance or a four point stance, you're losing the leverage battle. Those hands are naturally as you come as Dwan Jones comes out of his stance, those hands are going up here. And automatically there were a couple of times that Penn State game specifically where whoever he was going up against on the edge just simply

got their hands basically on the forearm of Dwan Jones. And then it's like, okay, well now he can't even get to you. Now you're losing the leverage. Now you're probably losing the rep. So that is one thing that he has to get better at as he gets to the NFL level is the hands have to get faster. He's got to get so much faster with his hands because he has to keep them lower on his body. They have to be able to fire up.

He can't get out of his stance and have his hands up here like some other offensive tackles that are even like six three six four sometimes he's six five can do because he he's just when he does that they're too high they're just too high up in the air so i feel like he loses the leverage battle a little bit too much i know a lot of people like him because he's a mammoth human being i know mckay beck to win the first round i don't know if the one jones is going to be my cup of tea i don't think that he's going to be a first rounder um in my book i think he's going to be more somebody you maybe take a chance on in the third round but he is intriguing because i do think that he moves decently well since he lost weight and i'd like to see if he continues to lose a little bit of

weight does he get a little bit faster Does that body move a little bit quicker? He's a massive human being. It's truly one of those things where you turn on the end zone angle of the all 22, and he's just the guy that jumps out to you. He's got on sleeves most of the time, red sleeves that make him look even bigger because he's already huge. The way his stance is, I wonder if his process is kind of like Philele's last year, where you look at him and go, man, he's so big.

But with that comes limitations that he's going to be very scheme specific. Like the Ravens taking Philele was like, duh, of course they did. With what their run concepts are, what they ask of tackles, how they develop offensive linemen, how they specifically develop bigger, clunkier, but powerful offensive linemen in this era. But I'll say this for Jones. What's incredible for him is that he's not allowed a sack this year this year he's not allowed a quarterback kid he's allowed three hurries i mean he is even on his bad reps trevor he's hard to run around he's he's just

tough to get around and pass that was always a selling point for beckton he's just that big where it's very hard to beat a guy even if but i agree with you with the hand usage being a skyscraper tackle actually comes with a lot of disadvantages too and it's worked against guys like uh you know to an extent the florida tackle that seattle took two years ago oh man he was six foot nine six foot ten oh uh who was it give me uh forsyth was his name right was it stone forsyth was stone forsyth that big was he oh my god he's he's gigantic he doesn't weigh as much as dewan jones but he's six foot eight okay all right then yeah yeah there you go stone forsyth yeah so just playing that high naturally yeah it's not because of anything you're doing you really got to think about it

yeah you really got to think about it my last one one here, Jamie Robinson, the safety from Florida State. He got a Senior Bowl invite. There's a video of him. He taped the invite. I haven't seen on the Senior Bowl account that the invite's accepted, but I'm assuming Jamie Robinson is going to be at the Senior Bowl. I got to watch a lot of him this week. I really just like his demeanor as a safety he's

sub six feet tall you'd never know physical run defender plays fast downhill just an edge to his game he loves running around and kind of being the tough guy in the room he he hits hard um he's got 128 snaps in the slot 247 at at free, 176 in the box, and he has special teams experience on kick and punt coverage. So Jamie Robinson, he is going to be a cup of tea for coaches. That Florida State defense is a couple guys like this that are going to be very, very well liked by the NFL scouting community. I already know Jared Burse is getting rave reviews, and we've talked a lot about him on this show,

but Jamie Robinson is the other guy on that defense that he's just awesome, man. He's just awesome. Fans are going to really, really like him. I think if he does ultimately go to the Senior Bowl and accept that invite that is in his hands right now, he will have a lot of fans for that safety room right away. I'll end it with another safety as well. This is a guy that we talked about in summer

scouting and somebody that I wanted to check back in on because as people have started to release their top 50s, top 100s, I've seen his name in there probably around the 70, 60, sometimes 50 range as well. JL Skinner, the safety from Boise State who we watched over the summer and they're just pure hitter. This guy is six foot four, 220 pounds. I remember saying that he came to Boise State weighing 180, 185, and they packed 40 pounds on this guy. And it's funny because you look at his frame. I'm watching him.

I'm re-watching him this week. And I'm like, you could fit more weight on this guy. He's just a big, long secondary player. Plays a lot of box safety, a lot of downhill stuff. He mentioned that his favorite safety of all time a lot of downhill stuff he mentioned that his favorite safety of all time is cam chancellor and he actually absolutely plays like it definitely got a physicality to his game he plays a lot of different spots he plays nickel defender he plays a free safety plays a strong safety but it feels like he's best when he's getting to go downhill

ultimately connor after watching him again and this year hasn't been as good as last year was but he's still fine I'm wondering if if it's possible that you just maybe throw another 15 20 pounds on this dude and call him a linebacker like this what he does for guys like that you know and it's it's just it's what he does best and I'm I'm worried that if you even even streamline him to be mostly a box safety at the next level, if you make him be a strong safety, there's going to be times where the offense really manipulates the way that you line up to where he's going to have to go up against tight ends.

He's going to end up going against slot receivers. And I just don't think that that's where his bread and butter is. I would rather put him in a comfortable spot where, of course, if he's playing linebacker, sometimes that could be the case as well. But I really do think that his best players are are when he goes downhill it's when he's his fastest it's when he's his most confident and it's clearly what he wants to do he wants to tackle he wants to hit i like to throw some extra weight on him and honestly see what he would be like as

a linebacker because i'm just not so sure he's going to be the athlete that you need him to be to play as a full-time secondary player so that's when i looked at jl skinner i wondered if i'd see something different because i remember i i liked him in the summer but i didn't love him in the summer so some other people did and i kind of feel the same way after watching a couple of games from this season i feel like maybe a transition to a different position at the nfl level might be in his future depending on how much more weight you can get on that frame. And it looks like he can stand to get a little bit bigger. You can throw some extra weight on there.

Just get on the little Caesars diet or the peanut butter sandwich at 3 a.m. You're setting your alarm, waking it up, throwing up a protein shake and a PB&J there in the middle of the night and making it happen. So I don't know. Maybe that's in the cards for him, but if not, if he's staying at safety, I don't know, man. I probably still see a day three guy with him unless we're seeing something different.

Did you mention, too, he's officially accepted his invite for the senior bowl? No, I didn't. I did not. Yes, so J.L. Skinner, another safety room is obviously coming together, assuming Jamie Robinson accepts his. JL Skinner did accept his invite for the senior bowl. And I'm with you, Trevor. He's built like a small forward.

It's really interesting. He's just this tall, upright guy. You see him in even pictures without pads on. There's a picture of him holding up the invite with some staff members. And he's just tall lanky um i i mean there's just so many guys like that in the nfl right now that are listed as a safety but they really play in the box they are i mean there's no teams really run out there with three traditional linebackers on a majority of snaps anymore so if you have a third guy that's hybrid kind of guy yeah i'm with you that's

absolutely his role and maybe that's something that they will discuss down there for when he gets down to mobile to to get some looks so um honestly loaded show today my god for the for the midweek show we have a lot we just have more and more to cover with the draft right now it's becoming more more relevant as seasons are you know sorry to those fan bases but they're over um and they move on to huge expectations and i mean this was it was interesting waking up this week and i sat down and like while i did nfl stuff and it was sure it was a little different because the jets were on the buy i was like man i'm

updating the doc for senior bowl invites shrine shrine invites, guys that might declare, guys that are on the rise, guys that I've heard from agents are thinking about declaring and don't know what to do. And it's an exciting time of year. Of course it is. Of course it is. That's why the show is loaded. That's why every Wednesday show is going to be loaded. And it's got to be must listen for you guys.

Thursday show, it's always a wild card. So we'll leave that to the mystery. We will let you. I got a request. You mean from a, is this from you or from somebody else? No, from a sex addict. Okay. The people are screaming for us to fix the Raiders.

Really? Yeah. Maybe we got to fix the Raiders. We might have to fix the Raiders. Trevor and I will text through it after the show. We're going to fix the Raiders at We might have to fix the Raiders. Trevor and I will text through it after the show. We're going to fix the Raiders at some point. It's going to happen. That is such a full transparency for why I'm hesitant to do it now.

That's a huge episode. Like, the Raiders have a massive fan base. They're very passionate about the offseason. They're very passionate about this disaster right now. I want this episode to be as perfect as it can be. I almost want to say I don't think we can do the Raiders yet because there's a chance the McDaniels is literally gone. So I don't want to do the episode until we know a little bit more

about who's going to stay, who's going to go. I agree, and I selfishly also want their draft slot to be more solidified when we do their show. Maybe we'll give it a couple weeks. I do want to shout out Raider Nation to let them know it's on our brains. It is coming at some point. It's not going to come this Thursday, but that is an episode that I definitely want to get into because when we do those Fix Your Franchise episodes, we dive deep. We go into everything. We go into how they got to that point. We go to the regime, who's staying, who's going. We go to salary caps. We go to draft picks. We go to potential head

coaches. We go to outlook. We go to everything. So for the Raiders, I do want a little bit more clarity before we get there. Shoot, I can tell you what I would want them to do, but if it's not realistic, then I also feel like it's kind of pointless for the people. We want to probably give them something a little bit that they can look forward to. So we'll keep Thursday open, but yeah, it's a good shout out. Good shout out there to Raiders fans to make sure they know

that the Fix Your Franchise episode is absolutely coming. We are definitely going to get to voicemails tomorrow. No matter what the topic is, no matter what we're doing, we're going to get to a handful of your voicemails, speakpipe.com backslash NFLSE. It is a super simple thing where when you go to that website, you can just record your voice, say what's up to us. We would love to hear your name if you're comfortable giving that, because we want to give you a shout out on the show. We want to give you a shout out by name because we appreciate you listening so like tell us your name and then just get off a take like whether it's a draft take whether it's a playoff take whether it's a team

take whether you're there to holidays right sure sure i mean thanksgiving tell us if you if you want us to rank uh thanksgiving dishes if you want us to rank light beers hot sauces literally like literally i mean like with this SpeakPipe thing, it could be anything. It could be a cool combination. Top three hangovers of all time? Whatever you want. We have to answer.

What would be my top three? Oh, man. That would be a really good summer show one day. I promise you that. That would be a good summer show. Maybe we could sneak one of those in, though. You're not wrong. So, look, SpeakPipe.com backslash NFLSE.

Hit the voicemails. let us know what you want us to talk about what you guys want to talk about and then uh we'll see what the rest of thursday's episode brings i am trevor sycamore that is connor rogers thank you guys so much for listening the nfl stock exchange podcast we'll see you on thursday Thank you.