NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 117. Breaking Down Dane Brugler's 2023 Mock Draft (With Dane Brugler)

Episode Date: December 1, 2022

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers are joined by Dane Brugler of The Athletic to breakdown his 1.0 2023 mock draft. The three talk prospect/team fits, where the strength of the class lies, and what NFL teams are thinking about certain players and positions.

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode got a treat for you guys we're joined by the athletics Dane Brugler who just released his first 2023 NFL mock draft we're going to be talking some picks in the mock draft some overall thoughts on the class what he's hearing from the league tons of great stuff plus we're going to get to your

listener voicemails as well at the end of the show to get you guys in on the show there's a lot of great draft questions as well as some why is my team struggling and we tried to answer those at the end of the show i'm trevor sycamore with me as always is connor ro. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers joining you for the final time this week, a Thursday edition of the show. And boy, is it a special edition. Timing was on our side, Connor, because a good friend of ours, Dane Brugler, who covers the NFL draft for the Athletic,

he released his very first mock draft of the season. So we hit him up. We're like, hey, you want to come on the show and talk about it? And he said, oh, you talk about a mock draft? Sure, why not? So we actually have Dane joining us later in the show, which I am very, very excited about. Man, well, timing's on your side when you do a dang podcast almost every day of the week. So we have that going.

We have that going for us. That's also true. Shout out to everybody that sent us the Spotify raps of them listening to us an unbelievable amount. We can't tell you how much we appreciate it. It's awesome. You know, it allows us to do this show many, many times during the week and, you know, get guests like Dane and Trevor. This we obviously already taped the conversation with him. An incredible combo. So exciting to have him on.

Obviously, one of the best in our industry. I think his output of work is as impressive as I've ever seen for one human being. So really, really awesome to have him on this time of year. Something I love so much about Dane's work is that he's so thorough, right? Everybody who's listening to this show is probably at one point or another read his NFL draft guide, which he calls the beast. And he calls it the beast for a reason. It's because there's so much information in it. And right now we're in the gathering information part of this NFL draft process. And, you know, he's watching so many different guys,

but also something that we pick his brain about is he's got a lot of really great connections around the NFL as well. So it's kind of combining what we're seeing on tape, what he's seeing on tape versus what the league is seeing on tape and knows for the background information of a lot of these guys as well. So a fantastic conversation with him. We're going to get to it in a second but like connor said blown away by y'all sending us your spotify wrapped your apple music wrapped whatever it is that you guys the maniacs where wrapped is insanity i just want to make that clear

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We love every single one of you, and we appreciate you listening to the show. It's amazing. It is funny that I was actually getting nervous when I was watching the rap, what they were going to classify our listeners as, because that's how they do it, like into a genre. And it was something like enthusiast. It was enthusiast, basically calling people diehards. But I was like, are they about to call them addicts is this really really gonna happen so

it was a really cool man but like we said loaded show today don't go anywhere after the interview with dane because we are getting to your voicemails as we always try to do at some point in one of the shows in the middle of the week yep without further ado let's do it let's kick it to the interview before we get the voicemails afterwards. All right. Now joining us, it's the one and only Dane Rugler. You know him as the author of The Beast, one of the most incredible draft guides that you could get during draft season.

We know that anybody who's listening to this podcast has read that. His fantastic work is over at The Athletic. And if you visited The Athletic today, well, you were in for a treat if you're a draft fan because dane dropped his very first mock draft of the 2023 nfl draft season we're here to talk about that and so many other things dane thank you so much for joining us here today my friend no i appreciate you guys having me it's uh it's a fun day when you can release a mock into the wild and then you uh just kind of sit back and watch as people feast on it and, you know, give you feedback,

both good and bad. But, you know, as long as it's constructive, you know, I'll take the feedback. Bringing it into the wild is, I think, a really great way to put it when you play some mock draft. Like you said, that just feels like meat that just goes to the people who are there to feast on it. My first question for you, before we actually dig into the mock, I know that the draft at this point, it's a 365 thing. But obviously, there are some people who wouldn't consider this draft season. They would consider it the actual season with the game. So what is your schedule like? I'm very curious.

What are your weeks like? What is your day-to-day? What are you going through in the scouting process at this point in the calendar? What's this part of your life for you? I think it's really trying to finish because, you know, you want a base before the season ends and you really get into, you know, January 1 when the calendar flips and it's truly draft season. And when we're talking about all-star games, combine workouts, things like that,

I want to have a base understanding of who all these guys are. You know, I want to go into the quote unquote draft process with at least a firm grade based off of tape study of each one of these players. And so it's a lot of catch up. It's a, you know, and that's what I do over the summer is try to get a base understanding of who these guys are before the season starts and then now it's just playing catch up with the tape from this year um understanding okay you know this guy uh we thought of him as this coming into the year and then he showed some improvement or maybe he struggled a little bit what are the reasons for that and just trying to play catch up and uh you know putting a grade on all these guys so um you know it's a lot of trading information it's a lot of you know talking with scouts talking with league guys getting an understanding of oh i didn't know this guy was

you know so highly thought of okay i need to go watch more of him and things like that so some new names um you know hopefully in this mock draft maybe there are some uh you know names that you don't really see talked about as much but hey you know what scouts are talking about him as a possible first rounder so you need to know about him, that type of thing. So, you know, it's really just trying to prepare myself as best I can to know all these players before we get into that draft season. Dane, obviously the quarterbacks always kind of steal. They're the star of the show with mock drafts, and it's not really a huge surprise to see somebody like Bryce Young is the number one overall pick to the Houston Texans. And the fit with C.J. Stroud, but overall to the Carolina Panthers, is a no brainer.

But I think a lot of people or the average viewer will be surprised to read the first line saying the league is split on where C.J. Stroud will land. This is a guy that on sportsbooks that have it available is the favorite, has been the favorite to go number one overall. On this podcast, I think Trevor and I often talk about him as a potential number two or number three overall pick so how varied are the opinions that you hear about Stroud this time of year it really is split um you know there are uh and you know it's funny because let's take it back to last quarterback class where up until the week of the draft um you know I'm checking in with all my league sources and scouts and you know where are these quarterbacks gonna go and it's it was almost unanimous that hey they're gonna go quarterbacks always do they're gonna go and we have one

quarterback on the first 73 picks so you know this is going to be really interesting going into this year uh into this draft is okay you know because i think a lot of teams pass on a quarterback in last year's draft in the first two rounds because advanced scouting told them this is going to be a better quarterback class in 2023 well you know what advanced scouting for 2024 draft tells you tells us that the 2024 draft is going to be better at the quarterback position so is this going to be a trend where we see teams say hey we'll be patient for one more year because we like these guys but we might love who's in next year's class talking about caleb williams talking about drake may you know we'll see what anthony richardson does uh what does quinn ewers look like a year from now in his development um jj

mccarthy at michigan i mean there's a lot more names that to get excited about and so you know not there are a lot of gms that don't have that job security, a lot of head coaches that can't say, hey, let's punt for another year. But will it become a little bit more of a trend, or will we revert back to quarterback desperation, where we see three quarterbacks going to top seven picks, like we've kind of been accustomed to over the years? So with C.J. Stroud he is a uh a quarterback that in

rhythm and when everything is in structure he makes it look easy he's very smart pre-snap post-snap and when he's in rhythm it looks it looks great he's accurate he's on time he's got a very smooth stroke but it's outside of structure that's where things fall apart a little bit that's where he's not as comfortable it's not that he's a bad athlete it's just he's. That's where things fall apart a little bit. That's where he's not as comfortable. It's not that he's a bad athlete. It's just, he's an in-structure quarterback. At least that's what the tape says. And he's not as comfortable when things break down. And we know in the NFL,

it's not as easy anymore to just be a passer. You have to be a creator. And so for some teams, they're looking at CJ Stroud saying, hey, I like, he's accurate, he's smart. He's a good rhythm passer, but I'm worried about when things break down, can he create and we need a quarterback that can do that? So that's where I think the disconnect is between some of these opinions on C.J. Stroud.

I think he's very well liked. He's just not universally loved from team to team. And so we're very early in the process. You know, he's expected to come out. I think, you know, he will come out. and then it becomes interesting about how team by team they look at this player the lions we know uh could potentially be looking for a quarterback um you know the colts are currently in the mid first round could they move up for one of these guys uh you know the raiders possibly derrick car we don't know what his future holds uh you know there are a couple other teams in this mix so it's it's it's going to be interesting with Stroud because he could be, I mean, realistically, he could be the first quarterback drafted, could be the third quarterback drafted.

You know, not everybody's going to be on board with Bryce Young and his size. He's a complete outlier in that respect. So it's a quarterback class that we're going to have a lot of varied opinions, depending on who you talk to. I love the way you said that between, you know, quarterbacks got to be more than a passer. They got to be creators. And I think that we're seeing that on Sundays all the time with even some of the best passers.

It's the guys that take that to the next level. Also fascinating to hear that people in the league were having the same conversations that all of us were in the media. Hey, all the quarterback run. It's got to be coming, right? I mean, it's so desperate for the quarterback position and only one goes in the first round last year so it's just kind of crazy to hear that that was kind of what was going on behind the scenes you know you mentioned with quarterback us always looking to the future people have a tendency to think the grass is greener down the

road no matter what maybe getting bored of a certain draft class and are people getting bored with Will Anderson I mean have we just talked about Will Anderson so much over the last year that we're bored at this point because it feels like you know everybody's really comfortable with Will slying a little bit for quarterbacks and you know the numbers aren't as prolific as they were last year but he's still fourth in college football in pressures this year and I wanted to make sure that I point that out but I think the last time I checked he was your number one overall prospect still so I knew you have a lot of praise to say whether he's one or two or three or whatever he is but what's your just overall opinion on Will Anderson is he still this guy that has the potential of a number one overall pick type of impact player what's your thoughts on

him yeah he's still the best player in this draft in my opinion and it's something where the bar was set so high after last year i mean it was an elite season last season uh it was a joke that he wasn't higher in the heisman uh trophy uh voting um you know he had 34 tackles for loss uh number two in the nation uh was i think devin lloyd with 22 12 more than the next best guy in terms of, you know, making plays in enemy territory. And, you know, he's a guy that when the bar is set so high coming into this year and he sees more attention this year, offenses are game-planning against him.

And it is fair to point out that I don't think he has played as well this year as he did last year. Now, I don't think he's been, you know, bad or or even average by any means he's still playing at a very high level but the biggest worry for me is the missed tackles that's something where it disruption is great okay but as a pass rusher as a guy that you're considering to be a cornerstone of your franchise I need you to be a better finisher and there are almost every tape that I pull up with Alabama this year he's missing missing a tackle here missing a tackle there where that's a that could be a difference between uh you know a first down and you know a third and long and it drastically

changes the game and so uh you know you throw on that that lsu tape if he makes some of those tackles in the backfield maybe the outcome is different different in that game. So he's not a perfect prospect by any means. The missed tackles are bothersome, but this is still an elite player. And as good as he is as a pass rusher, he's actually a better run defender, which is really, really encouraging for that next level. You wish he was a little bit bigger. He's probably going to come in between 245 and 253 in terms of weight. So you wish he was a little bit bigger than that

and just a little more stout, but he plays bigger. He understands how to use his hands. He's a very locked in competitor. This isn't a guy that's been skating by and, you know, playing not to get hurt, anything like that. This is a, this is a guy that you're going to feel very good about character wise, football character wise, and then just the overall talent so he to me you know if you want to argue that Jalen Carter the Georgia defensive tackle is uh a you know better player that's fine because Jalen Carter's a really good player I'm I'm all for hearing that debate but in terms of him falling no it's uh that's a non-starter at least in my opinion he should be if not the first non-quarterback

drafted the second non-quarterback drafted and i'll be shocked if he's not a top three or four pick uh come april speaking of the pass rushers i love how high and how early you've been on jared verse out of florida state you had him 15th overall to the falcons i know you really go uh we're posting clips of him back in september The only reason I knew Jared verse early is because I graduated from Albany and he's probably the best player to play for the program in quite some time, possibly ever, even though it was a short stay. So when you look at verse after talking about Will Anderson like that, does he have a chance after testing, after interviews? Trevor has gotten the chance to speak with him. Absolutely loved him. Really, really bright guy. He could be the second edge off the board in this class?

I mean, yeah, I don't see why not. Yeah, like you said, at my mock draft, he's coming off the board at 15. And Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech, I had him coming off in the top 10 if you consider him an edge rusher. He's kind of a blurred line because he's so big. He can play inside, he could play inside could play outside uh but with verse i i mean there's there's so much to like about what he offers because he can win in different ways uh you know he has that burst that get off where he can win with speed but he also has different counters he also has power through his frame uh you know and he's a guy that despite missing time this year uh with

with a minor injury he still leads the acc and tackles for a loss with 14 and a half and so he's not a guy that's just you know winning with speed off the edge and sacking the quarterback he's making plays versus the run and so it's just two years in a row now that florida state is you know bringing in a pass rusher from the transfer portal. Now, Jermaine Johnson last year was a little bit more well-known at Georgia, had a little more pedigree, bets on himself, goes to Florida State, is the ACC Defensive Player of the Year. Jared Verse, coming from the FCS level, a little more unknown, but I think there are a lot of teams after him.

He chooses Florida State, and I think there's a very good chance he's going to end up in the first round. So it's been cool to see that two years in a row now for the seminoles but yeah versus a a big time competitor and like i said the thing that i love most about him is how he wins in different ways it's not just speed it's not just power uh he understands what he's doing with his hands and he's still you feel like he hasn't played his best football yet so um you know when you look at the the premium that uh teams have at pass rusher in terms of where they're going to draft those guys, I very easily see Jared first going in the top half around one.

I want to talk about wide receivers because all fans love when their teams get a wide receiver in a mock draft. They just love it because they love offense. They love playmakers. It's just something that fans always gravitate towards. You've got four wide receivers going in the first round of your mock draft. You've got Quentin Johnson from TCU going off the board first, number 11 of the Jags. Then you've got Jordan Addison going to the Patriots at 18. Jack Smith and Jigba going to the Vikings at 29.

And then 30 Kansas City Chiefs. You've got Jalen Hyatt there. So it's four wide receivers in the first round when I find myself doing mock drafts and when I find myself having this wide receiver conversation with a lot of people I feel as though there's not that strong of a connection with this wide receiver class it doesn't seem as star studded if you will going back to last year the last couple of years whatever it has been is that the vibe that you get with this wide receiver class? Obviously, it feels like we're going to get some in the first round, no matter what. But how does the NFL view this wide

receiver class, if you have a feeling on that? And then what are your overall thoughts on it? Do you think the teams are going to pick wide receiver no matter what? Or do you think that this might be a year where we don't see as many go in the first round that we've seen over the last couple of years? Yeah, this is a great topic because aside from where the quarterbacks were going in this mock, the biggest challenge that I found when mapping out these picks was where do these wide receivers go? Because, you know, I don't, to your point, I don't think this is a wide receiver class as star-studded,

as elite at the top as we've seen in the last two years. You know, I don't think any of these receivers are better than, what, the first four that were drafted last year. At least you could make that argument. And so, you know, i had quentin johnson coming off the board of the jags at 11 i honestly don't feel great about that um you know they just traded for calvin ridley uh i think zay jones is still under contract christian kirk is still under contract um i think it was just all about fun though it'd be fun though to see

that's the thing i i mean if they ask, how do we help out our young quarterback? Then, you know, Quinton Johnston, I think, would certainly be one of those answers they would come up with. So, you know, I again, I can defend that. But, you know, it's something where I didn't feel great about it. Even Jordan Addison going to the Patriots a couple of picks later at 18. You know, we know Bill Belichick is, you know, he's going to want defense or he's going to want offensive line with this pick. And I just, I think about what Addison could mean, be that spark to that offense, you know,

for Mac Jones and everything going on there. I love the fit there, but at the same time, especially with Jacoby Myers being a free agent, pending free agent, you know, it's, it's not something that I felt great about. And so this is a receiver class that will be interesting do we is it going to be like you know a couple years ago where we saw you know aj brown fall part of the second round um you know we there were some good receivers in that class but teams weren't in love with them and they fell a little bit or is it

going to be like the past two years where these guys are just going to go because wide receiver has become the biggest playmaker in today's nfl more so than any other position aside from quarterback and guys are just their teams are desperate for that you know guys that can give you a spark and so uh it's really it's a really uh interesting debate um especially when you look at the top 20 there's not a lot of obvious landing spots for these uh to these wide receivers and so it's going to be something worth monitoring throughout the process you know and see who comes out and which one of these underclassmen come out and then you know what what kind of movement do we see in the offseason free agency trades uh where we see a legitimate need it seemed like last year we saw we had a had a lot of, you know, we knew the Jets needed one. We knew, you know, the Saints could go after one.

There were a lot of landing spots that made sense. This year, I don't think there are as many landing spots that are obvious. And there are not as many prospects that I think are clear top 20 picks. So if we didn't have a receiver going to the top 20 this year, it shouldn't surprise anybody because these receivers are good, but they're not at the same level we've had the last few years and so um you know seeing guy like jackson smith and jigba who look jackson smith and jigba has some third round grades out there from teams so it's not he

isn't this you know lock first this is before the hamstring injury this is coming into the year so he's not this lock top 10 pick that a lot of people made him out to be um you know a guy like jalen hyatt's really interesting because he's come on this year he's got the speed he's not this lock top 10 pick that a lot of people made him out to be. You know, a guy like Jalen Hyatt's really interesting because he's come on this year. He's got the speed. He's got the ball skills down the field. But, you know, his game's a little one-dimensional at this point. So, you know, you could poke holes in all these receivers. But, again, keep coming back to offenses want star power at the position. They want those fireworks.

And so, you know, this early in the process process i don't think we have a good feeling just yet how early those receivers are going to go and then how many end up in the first round last year we had a fun corner debate between derrick stingley and sauce gardner just two really good players and and this year in a picks man from 9 to 13 you had three corners go and trevor and I have had this conversation often between Christian Gonzalez Keely Ringo and of course Joey Porter Jr. as well and it's something that's going to continue on this show do you think Dane really that Gonzalez and I feel like you've you've had the stance for a couple months now is the front runner to be the first corner off the board just because his measurables and a chance to hold run in the four threes it just puts him in that unique territory at the position

yeah no doubt and really you could say the same about keely ringo i mean he's just such a physical freak both these guys are um i think that you know a big part of this and when you're looking at corners too is understanding which teams run mostly zone, which teams try to implement a lot of man. You know, there are some defenses out there that'll run 90% zone coverage. And you know, it's that you have to make sure you're, you're drafting to fit that where, you know, I think Christian Gonzalez is a true man to man guy. Can he play zone? Yeah. I mean, you need guys that can play both,

but I think he's more of a man-to-man corner where Keeley Ringo, I think, has maybe a little bit more potential in zone coverage. And so that's a big part of this conversation as well. But both these guys are freaks. Christian Gonzalez, yeah, he was back in my preseason top 50 in August. He was a top 10 player. And I'm still a believer. I think one of the biggest concerns with him this year was, OK, can he be enough of a playmaker when the ball is thrown his way? And, you know, gave up a touchdown in the opener against Georgia, you know, over the first half of the season, just wasn't making a ton of plays. But I tell you, the back half of the season, he's made a lot more plays on the ball, leads the team with four interceptions. He's got double digit passes defended. So, you know, I think that he's he's really shown the last last half of the season that, hey, I can make plays on the ball. I've got the hands. I've got the ability to track the football. And, you know, yeah, I'm tall, I'm long and I'm athletic. And that's a great place to start. And you can say a lot of those same things about keely ringo who i think is maybe a little more raw um you know you can watch him against uh you know tennessee or some of these other uh offenses like to throw the ball a lot and you know he he really struggles to cover comeback routes i mean he is just he's running running in reverse and you know he's not going to give up that big play down the field but he gets a lot of things in front of him and so

in terms of just being a physical freak he's gonna go because of uh you know he he's not going to give up that big play down the field, but he gets a lot of things in front of him. And so in terms of just being a physical freak, he's going to go because of, you know, he's 6'2", 210, going to run in the four threes. But he's still raw in a lot of areas in terms of the route instincts and understanding what the offense is trying to do with different combinations. So, and I don't want to leave Joey Porter out of this conversation as well, who I had going 13, long physical, you know, he's another guy that I think could play both man and zone. I have him going 13 to the lions in this mock draft,

which would be a lot of fun. And you know, Hey, maybe the Steelers could be a possible destination for Porter as well. That'd be a fun story. When, when I'm doing mock drafts, I find myself wanting to pick offensive tackle or just a premium offensive lineman for so many of these teams but it seems like i run out of guys that are available to select now you have three offensive tackles that are going in the first round of this mock draft blue number seven for arizona you have paris johnson jr 10 for the houston texans you've

got peter skronsky and then 20 for the commanders you have Broderick Jones so it's those three guys that are there how shocked were you that Olufesanu kind of announced from Penn State announced that he would not be declaring for the draft because it seems like a big blow at this point he seems like a guy that would have been in the first round no matter what and then also outside of these three guys that are here who would maybe be the next offensive tackle that you might be able to sneak in around one would have been in the first round no matter what. And then also, outside of these three guys that are here, who would maybe be the next offensive tackle that you might be able to sneak in a round one if there is one, since it seems like there's so many trench needs to fill?

Yeah, well, you know, as I, thankfully, I was mapping out this mock draft over the weekend and talking to one of my contacts at Penn State, and I was tipped off that he was going to announce this week that he was going back. So thankfully – because I initially had him in the top five. So thankfully that didn't – yeah. He's a top five player in this draft if you were coming out.

I really believe that. And so, yeah, think about next year with what that class could be like with him. I mean, we have to remember he doesn't turn 20 years old until next week he's just i i was told that this nfl attention was like it like blindsided like he had he had no idea this was coming and i don't think penn state did either um you know they knew what they had but he still has single digit starts to his name um you know he's a young young player and what he's shown up to this point has been so, so impressive. So his future is very bright. But yeah, this tackle classmate, Paris Johnson Jr. is really in his first year as a left tackle at the college level. And so you see some of the

mistakes, but it's all due to inexperience and not lack of ability with him. He has everything to be a top plate left tackle at the next level. Peter Skowronski is going to be really interesting because I was told he's going to, his arms are probably going to be 32 and a quarter. That's going to be an issue for a lot of teams. It's not like, you know, even Rashawn Slater, I think about how much we talked about his arm length, his arms were 33 flat. And you know, with Skowronski, maybe he gets it to 32 and a half maybe but uh it's

going to be under 33 and so he's just going to be an outlier um and some teams are going to be out in terms of him as a tackle now i think everyone's going to be in on him as an offensive lineman but um not everyone's going to be on board with him as an offensive tackle and then with broderick jones you know he's he's still raw he's just he's he's a really good athlete moves really well his hands are all over the place he gives up his chest way too easily another young player he's in his first year and he saw some action last year due to injury but this is really his first full year as a starter and so he's still putting things together and there's no guarantee he'll declare and then after that i mean i'm looking at my tackle rankings right now i don't i don't love any of these guys.

You know, I know there's some love for Darnell Wright from Tennessee. You know, I do like DeJuan Jones from Ohio State, the big right tackle, just a mammoth, mammoth dude. He's huge. His wingspan is arguably the biggest we've seen, you know, since I've been doing this, you know, 10, 15 years, it's going to be over 89 inches, which I mean, you think about, who was our Minnesota guy last year?

Oh, Falele? Ravens. Yeah. His wingspan, I mean, you know how mammoth he was, his wingspan I think was 85 and a half. DeJuan Jones is 89. That's insane. It's unbelievable. Exactly. And so because of that, because of the improvements he's made,

I do think that, you know, he's got a chance, but I really don't see any of these other offensive tackles and say, yeah, I think he's got a great chance to sneak in there. Jalen Duncan gets a lot of love. I mean, I just, I don't see it with him. You know, the athletic tools are great, but I just, the tape doesn't match. You know, the Michigan tape is rough. The Ohio State tape is rough.

He really has a tough time, especially versus length. Because he's, as tall as he is, because I think he's 6'6", he's not a long player. I mean, he's only about 33, 33 and a half in terms of his arm length. And so he has a really tough time. So he moves well but uh the struggles and we saw on last year's tape too against uh Arnold Ebiketti uh who's a long arm pass rusher gave him a lot of trouble so I don't these offensive tackles I do like these offensive tackle class but a lot of these guys I like more in that day two range as opposed to guys that'll get pushed

up in round one last one for me Dane we talked so much about Bryce Stroud and Levis in round one undoubtedly so but after that is there a quarterback that you like that's more of a day two player whether it's a project like Anthony Richardson a player like Hendon Hooker that before he got hurt was just having a tremendous season or even a guy like Michael Penix that's really starting to open eyes on the west coast for those that stay up to watch his performances so far. Yeah, and I think that it's a really interesting, you know, tier two, three, and four quarterback class, because you obviously with Hooker, now you've got the injury. What does that do for where he lands in the draft? Michael Panics, what he's been doing has been really impressive. I'm not ready to say he's put himself in the top, you know, 50, 75 conversation just yet.

And the medicals are a big part of that as well. I mean, that's going to be something that teams are going to have an issue with. We'll find out more about that at the combine. But, you know, Bo Nix has really, really grown on me as a prospect. I think that when you look at his tape, he's doing a lot of things really well. And whether that's, you know, on the move, I mean, he's tough as nails. He throws a really accurate ball. There's a lot of things about Bo Nix that you'll like.

And so where he ends up in the draft is going to be interesting. I think, you know, right now, you know, talking to scouts, you get third-round feedback, that type of thing. So we'll see with him. In terms of maybe like the next tier down, I'm a big fan of Clayton To that type of thing. So we'll see with him in terms of maybe like the next tier down. I'm a big fan of Clayton Toon out of Houston. I just I look I love that no matter what the scoreboard says, you know, the time, the situation, he's just he gives you his best. And he does not, you know, will under pressure. He's got a lot of late game uh heroics to his name and um

you know he's got a little bit of mobility in the pocket um and he i think there's some times where he's a little too confident in his receivers and you know there's some decision making things that he needs to shore up a little bit but this is a really good quarterback who i think is going to play in the league for a long time as a mid-round pick last question Dane I want to ask you about the most interesting story that you've heard about a prospect so far I mean you when you put out that beast draft guide there are so many incredible little nuggets that you have in there not just about the tape evaluation and the size and what they're capable of, things like that. But there's also these great background nuggets. It's why it

is the must buy every single year. It's part of what makes it the must buy every single year. So I'm curious, obviously, we've got a lot of time between now when the beast for 2023 actually comes out. But is there a story? Is there a fact, maybe one or two, whatever that really stands out to you that you've learned about somebody in this 2023 class? Yeah, no, there's definitely just definitely quite a bit. And, you know, I, you know, a guy that was in this mock draft, Drew Sanders, he's, you know, at Arkansas, he's having a career year, former five-star at Alabama. This guy is just a physical freak. And he grew up in Oregon. His dad's a football coach at the high school level.

And so he grew up moving around in northern Oregon as his dad moved from job to job. But starting at five, six years old, this guy has been training for this moment. I mean, like doing workouts, nutrition plans, things like that to really put himself in this position. I mean, like doing workouts, nutrition plans, um, things like that to really put himself in this position. I mean, he is a machine and, you know, he, he has been, you know, kind of eyeing this for a long time. So just, he's a physical freak in terms of size, speed, um, strength, but also the way he trains. Um, I mean, it's really something to behold. And then, you know, maybe a guy that's maybe not as known. Bajan, the quarterback at Shepard. I've got a story coming out next week on The Athletic for more on that.

Hopefully people check it out. His dad is a world champion arm wrestler. Top three all time. OK, like his sport. His dad is is is big time in his sport. His dad is, is, is, is big time in the sport. I would, I would call him part Dana White, part Vince McMahon. I mean, he's a promoter. He's big time into it. And this guy is, he's won a 28 world championships, a letter, it's like 17 left-handed cause he's naturally lefty. And then what, you know, whatever the math is for, you know,

the right-handed. So he is a really interesting character. I've had a lot of good times talking to him, getting to know him a little bit better and getting talking to yeah. Tyson and finding out more about him and his journey. You know, he actually last off season, he entered the transfer portal. There were a lot of schools that wanted him. Maryland, they rolled out the red carpet for him to play his final year in Maryland. West Virginia, same thing.

And at the end of the day, he decided to stay at Shepherd D2 because he was on pace to graduate. And if he transferred, he had all these credit issues and he didn't want to put off graduation he wanted to graduate so and he's from shepherd uh shepherdstown uh down there in west virginia so um you know it's uh you know beige it's a d2 quarterback that people need to know about he's got a chance to get drafted and he's got a really fun backstory and so um hopefully people you know look for that story next week uh on the athletic i go delve a lot more into it a lot more background stuff so he's a lot of fun very excited to read that for sure connor and i were just going over the early senior bowl acceptance list and there is badgish name right there uh sitting there for

the quarterback class setting the tone was the first guy to accept an invite so we knew that we had to get more information on him of course the place that we would come to to learn more information it's dane Brugler. You know his fantastic work over at The Athletic. Make sure you read not just that article, but everything that Dane puts out. He's a fantastic follow, a must follow for all of draft season.

Dane, thank you so much again for joining us here. This is a lot of fun. No, anytime guys, I appreciate it. There he goes, our good friend, Dane Brugler of The Athletic. Everybody make sure you go sign up for The Athletic. Read all of Dane's fantastic work. Connor, I love getting to pick Dane's brain.

I mean, I know we said this at the beginning of the show, but you always learn these little nuggets. And I love that question that you asked about C.J. Stroud specifically and just like where the range was because it feels like we get sucked into these way too early mock drafts and then we just think that things aren't supposed to change and they do they do vary mine i think a lot of people were really hopeful for cj stroud going into the season they liked what could be there for him but it's not like he has blown the doors off to prove that he's got to be a lock of a top three pick uh even if we think that he's going to go top half of the first round,

top 10, whatever it is. So that was fascinating. I loved hearing about that as well as the rest of the quarterbacks. Yeah, I think what's so awesome about talking to Dane and reading his content is he's one of the few people in our industry that can actually be a conversation starter, right? There's a lot of people in the industry that follow the conversations, and there's nothing wrong with that. But dane does something that i walked away and obviously i

be sure people heard it in my questions your questions i looked at and said the quarterback conversation is fascinating maybe shroud's not this guaranteed top two pick like we've been thinking for a long time the cornerback trio at the top there is going to be a ton of debate around it because I've heard grades on those guys are all over the place from in the first round all the way to the third round. So and I would side with Dane that all three of those guys probably do go in the first round. They all have a realistic shot at the top 20 because team grades can be be really really harsh and should be taken as a curve right if you have a quarterback that is a second round great he's going in the top 10 picks so that was fascinating to me um how the offensive line conversation changes with olu which i'm just mind blown remember when i said to you in the midweek show i was like yeah you know he could

have been a top 10 kind of top dan was Dan was like, I had him in the top five for the mock draft. It's just yeah. What a blow that is, man. That's massive. Huge. Huge. Especially asking him about the rest of the offensive tackles and saying, hey, is there anybody else you get in here? And he's like, probably not. But we know the league

has to go after these trench guys, right? Also, it was interesting hearing about wide receiver. Jackson Smith and Jigba, anywhere from a first to a third round grade., right? Also, it was interesting hearing about wide receiver. Jackson Smith and Jigba, anywhere from a first to a third round grade. That's another one, man. We went into the year. We did these early mock drafts because I like doing early mock drafts because they're fun, but you've got to remember what they are. They're simply to put names up here for you to recognize.

These guys have potential to be first rounders. This isn't necessarily, hey, this is absolutely going to happen and um i just think that a lot you've got to be open-minded for these early mock drafts really anything anything before bowl season like senior bowl season shrine bowl senior bowl anything before that you've got to realize that mock drafts can be very volatile and where these guys are going and all the names that are there so i just it was great to learn about what he thinks about these prospects where he's heard the league believes these prospects to be drafted so always a good conversation but we promised that we would get to you guys's voicemails so um we should oh wait well wait before we get to do that i gotta read ads because i'm an

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the ios store all right connor voicemail time voicemail time first one here we go connor trevor you care coming at you all the way from the middle east appreciate the show love it i've actually been listening for a very long time i think since the first episode um what if anthony richardson becomes a giant the giants are probably going to be picking in a range where anthony richardson around where he could he's going to fall um and with after what brian dable did with josh allen i really think anthony richardson could be the future for the giants he could sit you know back for a year while the giants figure out some way to bring back daniel jones for one more year anthony. Anthony Richardson takes a year, learns under Brian Dable, learns, I guess, behind Daniel Jones, and he could really be their future.

What do you guys think about that? Thank you guys for the show and for everything you guys do. Appreciate it. I love it. Sure. Well, sure. Yeah. I absolutely.

Okay, so let's do the why we love it and then poke holes in the plan, right? And I know that was just a rough outline. Spot on. Brian Dable, if I was picking five coaches that were going to be in charge of Anthony Richardson's development at the NFL level, Brian Dable is absolutely in the top five. He might even be in the top three, to be honest with you. I think he's a guy that understands how to use a skill set that has big time rushing

ability and big time armed talent but minimize minimize the decision making and the how much is going on around him and richardson in that scenario would not have to play right away which i think is the most important scenario for anth Richardson. What do you think about it? Well, I mean, to your table point, that's a hundred percent correct. Even when he was in his last year with the Buffalo bills and what we're seeing from the New York giants. Now what's the thing that we have boasted about the giants all year long. Okay.

They won so many games. Okay. This is a draft podcast. We say that about everyone. Look, you get to the point where the giants were okay. the talent gap is sometimes just too big between them and other teams but why have they won quote unquote too many games it's because coaching because brian dable understands exactly what's gonna work with the group he has more than any i don't want to say more than any other coach but he is in that top tier of coaches that can honestly truthfully look at a roster and say okay this is what we're going to do well if we

play this style of offense and if we play this style of defense and next year it might look different and they're going to adjust and they're going to get to something else but he's just such a good coach because i feel like he he puts guys in situations to succeed so anthony richard can go into a spot like that we would absolutely love the biggest hole in this theory or wish whatever you want to say is the daniel jones theory right can you bring daniel jones back for one year no no probably not there's there's going to be a team out there that is going to offer multiple years in a contract to Daniel Jones. I think three. I think three. Right. And I tend to agree. It's probably going to be three, which is the sweet spot. Are you going to do that if you're the Giants?

You're probably not going to do that if you think that you're just going to draft the quarterback at the back end of the first round. So that's the biggest issue for me is is does daniel jones come back for something that makes something like that feasible on one hand jones could like brian dable enough to say i like my career being in the hands of brian dable more than i would a different team and there's i think there's there's validation to that but is it enough to probably walk away from millions of more dollars in the form of maybe a higher per year average or just more years?

That's where you kind of lose me. And I would feel like Daniel Jones is trying to cash in to another team and another contract in that way. So biggest, I love it for the reasons that the voicemail said, but I don't know if that reality is going to exist the way that they want to set it up if they want to do that they might have to explore the jacoby perset situation someone like that where he's been in that spot before right where he knows he's not

given anything and i'm actually fascinated to see how those contracts work out for set and Dan Jones, right? It's there's a lot to unpack there, but it was a great question. Great fit one that we will, that'll not be the last time that we talk about the fit with Anthony Richardson and the New York giants would love to fit would love, would love to fit. I don't, I don't know how comfortable I would be with him in the first round at this point, but like the talent ceiling is so high.

It's just so high. And I know a lot of people look at Anthony Richardson and they're like, he can't hit the broadside of a barn sometimes. And you know what? You're right. There are times when it looks like he just can't complete the simplest of passes. But this is his first year as a starter. Jordan Love had that problem coming out and he went in the first round.

Dan Mullen really didn't have any kind of offense set up for this guy that off that whole offense was set up for emory jones it wasn't even to go around uh andy richardson's strengths so this guy's dealing with an offense that actually lets him learn i think for the first time so there's just there's a lot of reasons to i understand that right now there's a lot of reason to be skeptical about richardson and you would not want him starting in the nfl next year absolutely not There's a lot of reasons. I understand that right now there's a lot of reason to be skeptical about Richardson, and you would not want him starting in the NFL next year. Absolutely not. But there's plenty of reason to believe that he's going to be a good quarterback at the pro level,

especially if you give him time to learn. Next up. Next. Hey, guys. My name is Brennan. Huge fan of the pod. I've been listening and watching you guys since last draft cycle. I've been a diehard Broncos fan my whole life. Ever since Peyton left, it has been pretty rough to say those words. gotten worse. Honestly, I like to think that I know a lot about football, but I'm also just watching every Sunday. I'm not studying. I'm not deep diving into the league like you guys are.

My question is, what do you guys think is wrong with the Broncos? Do you think it is Russ? Do you think that the reason that they're underperforming is because he's underperforming? Is the reason that a lot of our skill positions are out because of injury or is nathaniel hackett just that bad at being an nfl coach or is it a combination of the three i want to know what your guys's takes are um because i frankly am getting tired of this team all righty thanks guys a c a b and c all the above well let's see brennan said brennan set it up this way shout out brennan for getting a voicemail and appreciate you you got a potential quarterback problem that's bad enough to bring up you got injuries to your offensive skill positions

that's bad enough to bring up and you got uncertainty at the coaching spot, which is bad enough to bring up all of those things. Absolute offensive killers. And you not only have one of them, not Brendan personally, but the Broncos, you not only have one of them, you have all three of them.

So there's a lot that's going wrong in Denver. Now, I don't want to sit here and say that there's no hope for it next year right i think at this point i would still be leaning that nathaniel hackett's going to be back next year i think this offseason is going to be a lot of self-reflection for him and what it takes to be a head coach and how he can best be a head coach for this team um i know that when you're about 15 years into your NFL career, like Russell Wilson is, I'm not sure an off season of sitting back and contemplating is going to be a

lot of change, but we've also seen Russell Wilson play well in the past. Now is it as well as he was playing, you know, 2016, 2017, 2018, those years. Okay. Maybe not, but I still think he could be a good quarterback, man. So I got to think that there's a, there's a chance that he gets better. And then of course health. I mean, that's that's luck to me you know that's that's guys playing a violent physical game and they're getting hurt and that's just that's an unlucky part of it i would say though that denver still needs a skilled position player and whether it's the first round second round third round something i think they need to upgrade the skill

positions you know i think wide receivers an area that they've got to be able to hit perhaps getting another dynamic player out of the backfield to couple with Javante Williams and when Javante gets back I know they're excited about him as well but I think it's all of these things man to answer the question I think it's all these things but you can't make sweeping changes to all three in one off season I don't think it's just not going to work out like that so you got to pick and choose the ones that you think would get better and that's just my overall thoughts in the broncos right now yeah and there's no picking and choosing if i had to ask you what do you think russell wilson's dead money is in the year 2026

26 26 what's his dead money yeah if they wanted to move on from russell wilson when he's 38 years old in 2026 what would it cost them on the cap so in four years yep four years from now well i mean you're asking me so it's probably egregious so i'm gonna say like 45 million 31.2 okay all right i mean like i just shot for the moon but 31 and four years that's insane it's 49.6 the year before that so you were on it i was close i was close crazy that's crazy it's not good so anyway to answer the question in a serious manner i mean yes it's when things are this bad it's all three i think the if i had to rank them it's tough to have a quarterback in decline that's holding the ball forever in a coach that has no sense of game flow with an offense that can't

bail either of them out right i mean that's yeah it's good explanation i look at it look at other teams right i think it's easy for me to use these examples because I'm here and I'm immersed in it so much. But I look at the Giants and the Jets. And with Zach Wilson and Daniel Jones. And obviously the Jets have moved to Mike White. And Jones has had some moments this year, to be fair to him. But those teams, I think they both have pretty good coaching staffs. They both have pieces on offense.

When you look at Saquon Barkley, especially when Brees Hall was playing those two things, when things got bad under center, bailed out the quarterbacks under center in a lot of wins. And when Russ is struggling, which appears to be all the time at this point, the Broncos don't have the skill talent, like you said, because they got her and they don't have a coach that has any adjustments to do that

so yes brendan's brendan nailed it he answered his own question we just expanded on it it is all three aspects but when the quarterback is making an unbelievable amount of money until he's 40 years old he needs to bail out the other two right and he's not so russell wilson deserves all of the blame and mockery that he gets yeah i i mean that's that's a logical way to think about it i think head coach is the biggest issue right now though because i think you can get russ figured out or at least you can get Russ on a closer same page with the rest of everything else that's going on.

Like average play? Yeah, if you had a head coach that knew how to do it. And I don't know if Hackett does. I don't cover the Broncos specifically, so I can't pretend to have heard every answer, been at every press conference. I can't pretend to do that, and I won't here on the show. But it feels as though if they had a better head coach,

or at least a head coach that was operating things better within the building, I should say that because there's – I don't want to say that it's impossible for Hackett to do it, but he's clearly not doing it this year. If they had Hackett doing that, I feel like a lot of these other things would be alleviated. And that's where I think they're going to upgrade it wide receiver somehow you know I think they're going to upgrade it

playmaker this offseason Russ is not going anywhere no Hackett obviously just needs to go into this offseason and just be like what do I need to do to be a better head coach and I think that's to me that's where the Broncos are. That's what I think the Broncos, the predicament that the Broncos are in. I think it's going to, it's just, for as much as Russ is struggling, I think it's all on Hackett's shoulders. Because they're not going to, they can't move on from Russ. They can move on from Hackett, though.

And Hackett can change a lot. That's my thoughts. You're right. Absolutely. But the question is is they need to figure out who the hell wants to take that job because i'll tell you i'll tell you right now russell wilson does not have a good reputation in the nfl amongst coaches clearly yeah i i mean i don't need to be an insider to tell you that but i do know it for for firsthand so we'll we'll coach the team we will coach the team we can be hired as dual

gm head coach and we can rotate weeks like a two quarterback system oh one week i go out and do the scouting and you coach the team then the next week i'm back on the sidelines yeah that'll definitely work that'll definitely work yeah i would always use my timeouts before the two-minute drill so i'm never open to criticism i i'd use all three of my timeouts before the two-minute drill so I'm never open to criticism. I'd use all three of my timeouts. On the first drive out of the half, right? On the first drive. Yeah. Smart.

You'd be bulletproof. Right. Yeah. I didn't have any timeouts. You only get three, guys. And that's how you survive in this league, folks. That's how you survive in this league. We would have a good time with the media.

Oh, man. All right, last voicemail. Yep. Here we go. Hey, guys. Joel here. 5'10", 162. I was wondering what the issue with the Chargers is.

Obviously, they've had terrible injury luck, but is it something more than that? Is it that they're just too slow on offense, or is it coaching or roster construction? What is wrong with them? And who can I blame? Thank you. Number one, incredible introduction.

Shout out, Joel. Just talk about just getting the podcast. 510-162, off the bump. I think there will be a point in time where every voicemail is intro'd that way isn't that a Dan Patrick show thing though I just thought it's because we do the 6-5-2-40

thing all the time I think that's why Joel does it but Joel also might be doing it because I think it's a Dan Patrick thing if you call into the Dan Patrick show I think that you start by saying your name and then the weight. I love that bit. I don't know if Joel is doing it because of that

or if he's doing it because the two co-hosts of this show are 65240. Unbelievable. What do you think is wrong with the Chargers? We talk about them a lot on Sunday nights, but we don't ever really dive into... I know I was quoted as saying, I can't figure out this team. Yeah.

Besides injuries, which he alluded to. It's a... You can't bury their... Like, a lot of teams, everybody's got injuries. The Chargers just seem to find the most impactful ones for a decade. Obviously, losing Bosa is tough. Slater?

Yeah, you're losing Slater as well. You lost JC Jackson for the year. And, you know, when you look at the Chargers, you go, okay, they spent big money at corner. They needed to upgrade at corner. They went and they got themselves JC Jackson. JC Jackson was playing very poorly, and they got hurt for the year. And so it's like, wow, okay, you know, they tried.

They went after a guy with as many resources as they could, and it didn't work out for them. You have Joey Bosa. Joey Bosa's an incredible defensive lineman. He gets hurt. You miss him for a half the season. Rayshon Slater, a franchise left tackle, goes down for the year. Like, these aren't just things that you could just brush off.

Mike Williams missed time. Keenan Allen missed time again. And even when those two guys have been on the field, this offense is missing a deep threat. They're missing speed. We did a mock draft for the Itch's Football Show on PFF's YouTube channel, and the Chargers are currently picking 17th. And I jokingly said while we were doing the show,

I was like, Jalen Hyatt here would be hilarious. I'm not going to do it because it's too early for Jalen Hyatt, but Jalen Hyatt's perfect for what this offense needs. They need somebody to take the top off to allow Mike Williams to play as a pure outside number two wide receiver and to let Keenan Allen absolutely cook people with a ton of space and a lot of two-way goes on the inside from the slot. So like that is something, you know, Joel said, he said it up a lot.

Like it's the injuries, things that you can't brush off. And it's also, I think they are still lacking a premier speed playmaker on the outside it's other than that they have a lot of recipes there and i i get it it's tough fans just fans want something to be mad at you know joel ended the voicemail and it was it was funny i laughed at it but he's like who can i blame that's what fans want to know they want to know who can i blame what can we blame here and? And unfortunately it's, it's tough. You go out and you spend the resources on JC Jackson. It doesn't work out for you. You took a swing on free agency and that doesn't work. You go into

another year. You're just some of your top players on both sides of the ball. I mean, come on corner one, uh, edge one, offensive tackle one, wide receiver one, wide receiver two. All of those have been hurt. If I line that up for you, I don't care what team you are in the NFL, you're probably going to suck. Basically, I'm at the point where unless you're just Patrick Mahomes,

the entire rest of your team is going to suck if you miss corner one, edge one, offensive tackle one, wide receiver one, wide receiver two. Those are the premier positions in football minus quarterback and even quarterback just nervous but hurt he's had the rib injury so as much as as much as i would as much as i would love to give you a scapegoat here joel kind of just what it is with chargers and as as you know has staley coached perfectly this year no he's been he has not been good this year let's call it what it is i mean like no it's been it's

it's been a bit of a struggle year for him with some decision makings but come on man when you deal with with so many injuries to so many talented players and then you're forced to basically be elite perfect as a coach when it comes to decision making it's just not going to be the case you know it's not going to be the case and i think it's a tough bar and it's tough thing that staley's having to deal with but i'm not saying that he's completely blameless in all this but it's just i do feel for staley he's in a tough situation with given the injuries that he's had he is i think the thing that he rightfully catches a lot of heat on and i know there's a lot of you know differing opinions he's an offensive coach he's a defensive coach i think

you could safely say he's both with his long long background but defensive minded first i mean trevor they're just horrific against the run like they're they're not they're not competitive in my eye against the run when you look at the teams that have graded out the worst against the run, just based on PFF's grading system, they are the fourth worst team. It is the Bears, Browns, Texans, and Chargers. For a team... How are the Browns that bad? That's a whole other conversation.

All they do in practice is run the ball, I'm sure. They've got Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt? That's a whole other conversation. All they do in practice is run the ball, I'm sure. They've got Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. Whole other conversation. But anyway. So, yeah, it's like the Broncos conversation. There's just a lot to unpack. And I get you want to be angry with one thing individually. And every football fan observer has been there.

Some of it's bad luck. Some of it's bad coaching in my opinion so all right there we go that's the downfall of the league yeah fun show very close out the week strong oh always brother like uh yeah i don't have a reference i'm done you can words are done you couldn't i had something but i'm keeping it in the back pocket it wasn't the time or the place. Okay. All right. I won't push you on it then.

I'll let you keep it in the back pocket. Thank you to everybody who watched the show, listened to the show this week. Shout out to Dane Brugler for joining us here today. That was a lot of fun. Shout out to all you guys for sending in your voicemails. If you want to send in a voicemail to the show, we'll be sure to get to voicemails every single week, no matter what show, wherever we can squeeze it in.

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