NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 123. Early EDGE Position Rankings For 2023 NFL Draft

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their updated edge position rankings (post-regular season) for the 2023 NFL Draft. The two talk about their rankings in the preseason, things that have changed since then, and give each their new Top 5 rankings for the position.

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode we're taking a look at our early rankings for the edge rush position in the 2023 NFL draft class if you've been following this podcast for a while you know that we did something similar for summer scouting before the season, but with the regular season all wrapped up

and for a lot of these guys, some of them played their last college football game as they have already declared, we wanted to take a look at a handful of games of so many of these guys and come to a new ranking, if you will. There's new tape. We know there's going to be new rankings.

So we're going to give you our top five edge rushers early on in the process. There's still the all-star games. There's still the combine. But from the tape and what we're seeing right now, we want to give you the guys that we like. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers.

Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Joining you guys for the final time this week. It's a Thursday episode. And as we've been doing over the last, I'll say, month and a half, we've been leaving the Thursday shows open. Well, Connor, I have a feeling that a lot of these Thursday shows

are going to be spoken for because the regular season in college football is over with. And that means, my friend, we get to do what we're doing today. And that is go back, watch a lot of the regular season tape and come up with some updated rankings for our positions for the 2023 NFL draft. Today, we've got edge rushers. This was your call to start us off with the edge rushers. And I think it's a good one, my friend. It's a very deep class and there's a lot of different guys to like. So I'm glad that we're starting out with this one if i knew just how deep i would not have made it our first one i could keep watching i can keep watching this pass rush class right through the new year i mean full transparency i texted you today and i

was like dude i'm in the car home from Connecticut right now, and I made the car into an office. I was watching just to get through more and more of them because every time I got to another guy, he was good. So to be honest with you, the top five I'm listing today, there are like six guys that could have been number five. That's how good I think this pass rush classes. There was all kinds of different flavors in this group. There's star talent.

There's complimentary talent. Trevor, I loved watching this group and I, I mean, I think this is a really, really good edge pass rushing class that I know you and I are, this will not be the last time we talk about them because the combine matters so much for them, the senior bowl, all those things.

But man, I don't know if you agree. I was blown away by this group. Yeah, I got through nine guys and I don't want to say like final reports, but it's kind of like what Dane was talking about when he was on our show a couple of weeks ago. Like you just want a really good film baseline for these guys as you go into all-star season and then combine season, pro days, whatever it is. You just want a really good baseline for film. So I did that for nine of these edge rushers.

And I was telling you in the pre-show, there's already a couple of guys that I didn't get to yet that as we do this again in, say, I don't know, a month, month and a half, whenever it is, if we do it right before the combine, if we do it right after the combine. Probably right after. Whenever it's the next time we get a full positional ranking reload, I mean, I'm going to have a lot of these guys continue to be watched, but we're trying to chug along. We're trying to give you guys this content and a good baseline for what this edge class is.

So we'll structure it just like we did summer scouting. We'll go five to one in ascending order and then we'll also talk about some of the guys that didn't make the list because i believe you said that you got 12 uh reports of guys done i got nine so i'm sure there's going to be plenty of players that are also very jumbled throughout numbers six through nine six through ten whatever it's going to be that we're going to talk about here so uh i mean without further ado buddy if you want to uh start us off here with who you have at number five uh post regular season early edge rankings if you will who you got here five so i will fly up the disclaimer now and i know it'll still be in the comments i get people miss things i didn't purposely did not watch and write up lucas van

ness from iowa because as trevor and i are sitting here recording this show it is very undecided if he's going to declare and we put a lot of resources into each of these scouting reports so i will wait until he makes that decision to go down that road but but I am well aware he is a highly regarded player if he opts to enter this draft. So knowing that, number five for me, Trevor, huge riser compared to Summer, where I just didn't view him as a top five guy, probably just missed, honestly. Man, I love B.J. Ogilari. I love him. just you i know what he is right and do i think he's a star or gonna be an nfl star i i'm not even there i think when i look at ojolari he can rush the passer he's got leadership traits he's got work ethic he's got a pass rush plan he's got burst

i don't think he's an nfl run defender right now. I don't think he's an NFL run defender right now. I don't think he's going to be for every kind of NFL team at this very moment, but he could definitely grow into that player. But, I mean, here's the scoop on Ogilari for me from what I saw watching him. 6'3", 249. He's a team captain. I thought his best trait was speed rush ability i thought his trait that needs the most work is just his overall power in his game awarded the number 18 at lsu for

displaying high character both on and off the field team leader he this year had five and a half sacks 14 quarterback hits and 26 hurries and that was a 17.7% pass rush win rate. Stand-up rusher with burst and agility can dip his shoulder and turn the corner to win the outside. He got quite a few tackles with that ghost move where they don't even, they shoot their hands, and you duck right under them, and it's like they're gone. A couple more things on Ogillari.

Counters stalemates with the spin move. Whenever he gets locked into a stalemate, he understands how to spin into the pocket. He beat Georgia's Broderick Jones quite a few times in the SEC championship. And something I value, I put a lot of weight on athleticism with edge rushers, but I also put a lot of weight on matchups. And you will hear that in this show quite a bit, different matchups. Are you going out there and getting it done versus guys that you're going to see in the NFL? And seeing Ojalary kind of outclass Broderick at times, a player that I really, really like, that was impressive to me. I just don't see a ton of power in his pass rush arsenal,

and that kind of carries over to his run defense, Trevor. So I think Ojalary next year or this draft will be a second to third round kind of pick probably second with his passion pass rush traits and character i think he'll be on the field on passing downs as a rookie while he gets stronger and learns how to be a more consistent set the edge tough kind of guy in the trenches but he's going to get after the quarterback right away for you somewhere uh connor and i did not discuss our top fives at all whatsoever going into the show we never like to do that because we want the conversations to be organic we want the reactions we don't even discuss who we watch right we we really don't well yeah so we we leave this to be as organic as possible um but i also have our ojalary and you love to see it so i look the the podcast synergy

just slow down cut me off leave some for you leave some meat on the bone no i got plenty you know like i i also want to talk about it from my perspective uh as well you brought up a lot of really great points and i think the first one is something that i always have in my notes uh is that team captain thing i have a little um column in the category i do it all on google sheets and and i have a little column in there it says was this player a team captain because that matters you know that stuff matters when you can elevate yourself not just from your play but also your leadership and whatever style that is and that gets recognized by coaches and players that is something that matters towards

a scouting report you know you're going to hear us talk about this so many times on this podcast. You draft people as much as you do players. And especially when it comes to those top 50 first round, really valuable picks. And we don't get nearly as much access to these guys as NFL teams do. So there's a lot of moving up and down the board sometimes with players where you go, man, like, i i mean this guy showed some potential but i mean the nfl is going to draft him in the first round the nfl is going to draft the top 50 like i just don't see that a big portion of that might be what they are hearing what they are learning about these players when they're able to sit down with them get to know

them all that so that is one of those little ways and we don't get many but seeing that recognition as a team captain is sometimes a little bit of a hint into guys that the NFL might really like guys that you would really want on your football team you mentioned the number 18 he's wearing number 18 which is a special number for a defensive player at LSU I I found this quote from Brian Kelly, who's new, obviously, his first year head coach there, but he understands the significance of that number. He said, quote, the number 18 is the player who brings all

of those traits of someone who is a leader in extraordinary manner. The attention to detail, great focus, representation of the program, all in a positive way in the classroom, in the community, on the field. His teammates, coaches, and the entire staff believe that B.J. Ogilari embodies what the number 18 represents.

He carries our traits of excellence with him every day on and off the field. It's going to matter, people. If you like Ogilari's tape, which I do, and O'Connor does as well for him being at number five, that's something that's going to matter a lot. So that's something that definitely makes me feel like ojalary um is is a good candidate to be a first round pass rusher in this class i'll get to a little bit of the tape because you mentioned some of the pff stats that i would have rattled off but um certainly an athletic dude uh good athletic baseline for explosiveness quickness hands change direction everything. He just feels like a very overall good athlete.

And I think that that's the first thing that you notice. He's decently flexible, you know, when he wants to attack the outside shoulder, when he's trying to turn the corner, when he's changing direction. Love that about his game. I also love how fast the hands are. You know, I mentioned it right there, but just the emphasis of how quickly he'll chop, how quickly he'll swipe, how quickly he can hit a swim move on you, whatever it is, man. Those hands, they move really fast.

The biggest weakness that I think is in his game, you mentioned him hitting a spin move, and I watched him hit a spin move a couple of times when I was watching his tape, but he doesn't do it nearly enough. For a player who is, and I have this in my little summary of him. I think he's a speed rush specialist. That's what I think he is right now. That's clearly his bread and butter. That's his strength. That's where he wins for someone who makes a living attacking the outside shoulder getting up the arc bursting out of the snap

trying to get around the edge as often as he does man you throw you throw an inside move in there every now and then you get a little inside counter you start to make those offensive tackles even the best ones like you mentioned with him going up against broderick jones even the best ones if you get them to hesitate a little bit he's so fast up the arc he's all of a sudden going to become this guy who you don't just have to play in third and long situations like that's a guy who can get after the pocket get after the passer in a variety of different ways even if strength isn't the biggest strength full pun intended to his game you can do that if you can set up offensive tackles in a way where you make them vulnerable no matter what

the down and distance situation is so that's something that i really hope that he could get is um more reliance on an inside counter move because i think it's going to help his pass rush profile a lot the other thing i really want to see him hone in on is he falls steps a lot and i don't know i i think i noticed this and I'd be curious to see if, you know, other people notice it or anything. He seems very right leg dominant and his right leg is almost never the front leg when he is pass rushing. It's almost always the back leg and he will false step with the front leg and he will just kind of lift it off the ground and then power off the back leg it's not the worst thing in the world but if he would switch up his stance if he's

more comfortable doing so and if he would just fire off that front foot and it's his right foot man that's all of a sudden a fraction of an advantage that you get on an offensive tackle and this dude's athletic enough to where that could be all the difference in the world. That could be the difference of you getting a clean rip, you getting a clean dip around, around the outside shoulder, being able to get underneath him, whatever it is. I, I, it, it seems like it's just a, it seems like it's just a false step thing that I don't even know if he's

worked on or anything, or, you know, I can't, I'm not going to pretend to be a pass rush coach, but I've watched plenty of pass rush clinics to obviously become a better scout. And I feel like if he gets to the NFL level and he can adjust that a little bit, whether it's moving his right foot up to the front foot, or even the way it is now just powering off, whatever is his front foot. I think he could be even faster than he is now. And I already think he's impactful as a

speed rusher so that was overall my thoughts on him i think the athleticism and the speed rush profile alone uh probably gets you into the back end of the first round but the leadership qualities and even the areas where i could see his game improve and he could even take it to another level makes me feel pretty comfortable about him being a back end of the first round guy so that's what i think about jolari wouldn't be surprised if he gets there um i corrected myself when i said second to third before and was quickly like he's going in the second here's the thing trevor he is a projectable player too to get better as you just pointed out he will not turn 21 until the month of the draft so yeah that's alluring that is alluring in a pass rush class that while is very good,

is a little older in some areas. Surprisingly, he's not one of those guys. He is 20. He's not turning 21 until April. And you pointed out some technical aspects that could lead to more explosive nature off the ball. I pointed out that I think he lacks some power. Well, guess what? 20-year-olds are a lot stronger when they're 24. It's a big growth area. So this podcast is obviously very high on Ogilari. I think I love disease, love disease. Think BJ's a totally different kind of player, but the Ogilari family, I will carry that flag for both of these pass rushers. And some of his pass rushing run reminded me a little bit of Josh Uche. The style, the body type, they have very similar bodies.

I think BJ is going to come in under 6'3". I know Uche was a little under 6'2". They weigh the same. There's definitely some comparisons there. That's not my final comp I've landed on, but definitely some shades of. I'm looking at the mock draftable um yeah he's he's taller and i think he's got well uchi's got which has got long arms for he did have long arms yeah he had 33 and five eights that's 90th percentile for oh i got him at there this is going linebacker here hold on let me see him versus edge rushers if we did edge it's about 50th

percentile but he said yeah it's usually the threshold yeah right well for sure that you would want as a pass rusher definitely and i think that ojalary is going to hit that you know i i i do think the back end of the first round is is realistic for bj but you know his brother aziz went second round um josh ujj went second round mean, I still think top 50 is a more safe thing to say with B.J. Ojolari because you're getting the front part of the second round in there. But I really do. I think that that's his range. There's a lot of things to like.

You mentioned some of his experience. He has started 24 out of 34 games in his three years at LSU. And you might say, oh, hold on. That's a decent gap. Like there was a lot of games where he wasn't starting. Well, he didn't redshirt. So his true freshman season, he was playing in all 10 games.

He just didn't start most of them. He only started one of those games. So they felt the need to get this guy on the football field that they didn't want to redshirt him. So I just want to put that into context as well, that they felt like this guy was good enough, that they wanted to get him some experience right away. If I asked you how long Micah Parsons' arms are, what would you say? In my head, I don't think Micah Parsons' arms are that long.

What are they? 31 and a half. Yeah, I don't think Micah Parsons' arms are that long. What are they? 31 and a half. Yeah, I didn't think so. I'm like picturing Micah Parsons, and I feel like his wrists don't really go that far past his waist. It's just funny to me. I do value arm length. I really do.

But arguably the guy that's going to win defensive player of the year has 31 and a half inch arms nick boses are 33 i mean it's good but once it's just funny to me how much time we spend on it and you look at the two that are at the top of the defensive player of the year when you are that damn athletic it doesn't really matter matter that much Micah Parsons ran a 4-3-6. Nuts. Stupid. Stupid. You want to do number four since I kicked off number five?

Before we do number four, can we actually do number six? Can I ask you who would be next? Do you have who's next or do you have them just in a, do you have them just in a long list? Yeah, I didn't do, we and you were discussing, we didn't really do the concrete top 10, but I did, I thought a lot of guys are worthy of five. The toughest one, totally different player,

Keon White from Georgia Tech. Oh, I didn't get to watch him. Yeah, you're going to like him a lot and you're going to get to see him at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, right. So there were a handful of Senior bowl guys that I was like, okay, if I don't get to them,

I know I'm going to get to them before the senior bowl. So I would live. That's what the pros do. You kick those cans down the road. Cause it's better to watch them the two weeks leading up and then watch them at practice. And then you're done. They call me the new Orleans saints of scouting,

baby. I'm just kicking it down the road. That's what i'm doing uh okay so all right so you liked him though liked him a lot uh i really liked his floor with white it was funny to me because you get into this combo of like nolan smith has a higher ceiling nolan smith was in contention for number five um a couple other a couple other guys but we'll do them after the show yeah keon white uh he great size great size i mean he's gonna play around 285 he's gonna test really well damn he's

285 he's a big boy that is bitch and he can he plays quick i've seen him run down the field on wheel routes love that um he's got a really, really good skill set. So Keon White's going to be a big-time riser. He transferred from Tech from Old Dominion. He missed the first eight games in 2021 from an offseason, from a spring injury, and then he got his full season this year with Tech. Seven and a half sacks, four quarterback hits, 29 hurries.

Pass rush win rate was 19.5%. They move him around a lot of alignments, all the way from five tech, all the way out to nine. So for a heavier guy, he does play wide at times. Moves very well, very active, very strong at the point of attack against the run. He's a really good run defender. I get this last one, Trevor.

He moved from tight end to defensive end in 2019. So the best is ahead for Keon White. Damn. I love that too. I love when guys play both sides of the ball, no matter what positions. It's always such a great experience. What about you?

Number six. Number six for me was Byron Young, the edge rusher from Tennessee. The one guy of yours that I did not watch. So, I mean not watch. So, I mean, Byron young, I talked about him a little bit when we went through summer scouting.

Yeah. His story is very interesting. He played high school football for a little bit, did not have any offers coming out of high school was in the class of 2017. And that's going to matter because he's an older prospect. Just basically was like, I mean,

yeah, football is not really for me. I'm done after high school. He was working at a Dollar General when there was a flyer that somebody put up for football tryouts at Georgia Military Academy. And he tried out for it, and he made the team, and a year later he was the number 10 JUCO player in the country. And you watch him now at tennessee over the last two

years and you go how did this guy slip through the cracks we haven't talked about him he is twitched the hell up man he is i think he's i think it's straight up six foot three 244 245 pounds. That's what I have him as. Yeah, so he's got nice measurables for an edge rusher, especially given his profile, which is a speed rusher. This man explodes off the line scrimmage. He has got excellent change of direction.

He can really bend and round out a corner. I mean, when we're talking about TE stunts, where a tackle is taken on a couple of blocks and they're trying to free it up for the defensive end to be the looper around the middle and just come up the middle to a free A-gap, holy cow, it's the most terrifying thing I've ever seen. When he,

when that happens and he gets clean, if I'm the quarterback, I'd quit. I'd quit the sport mid-play with how much speed he's got coming up the A-gap. It's beautiful to watch some of his best plays in that regard. Doesn't play with as much strength as you would want. And for a guy who is obviously brand new to the game,

was just playing at Georgia Military Academy just three years ago, he doesn't have a lot of pass rush profile to him. Like, he just doesn't have a lot of moves to go to. And because of that, you know, if the initial burst, if the initial up the arc, the initial rip, whatever it is where he's trying to attack the outside shoulder, if that doesn't work, he doesn't really know how to disengage. Like he just, he becomes very neutral as a pass rusher at that point.

But the athletic ability is just so obvious. He is so twitched up, man. I just, I know that I'm going to be higher on this player than most people. Now I mentioned that he was a part of the 2017 recruiting class. Well, if you can do math, that means that he is one of the older guys in this class. I believe he is going to be 25 years old. If not, then he's going to be 24.

I don't know the exact birthday. 25 on draft day, yeah. So he'll be 25 on draft day. So I've got him at number six. I see him and BJ Ojalary as very similar players. These are speed rushers who have a lot of athleticism to them. Both could use a little bit more strength in their profile. I think that Ogilary is a little bit more refined in the pass rush ability that he has.

He's got more initial moves. He's got better counters, whereas Byron is still learning those things. You know, if you're going to draft one of them, you're probably going to want to draft Ogilary because he's four years younger. But that's not to say that I don't think that Byron Young could have a place in the NFL. I really do think that he could. He's got the Seattle Seahawks written all over him,

written all over him in the second round. That's all I'm saying. Seahawks got two second-round picks. I can see it happening, man. I just love the athleticism this dude plays with. He's got good – he's got decent strength for run defense too, although if he gets stronger in his pass rush categories, he'll get stronger when holding the line scrimmage too.

So that's kind of what I thought with him. I don't see any false steps from him. He really knows how to blast off of that front foot, not waste any motion there. And I think that you see that with how much success he's able to have. So it's still all coming together for him. But I had him at number six. I wanted to shout him out there. But it's still all coming together for him. But I had him at number six. I wanted to shout him out there.

But you still want me to go to number four? I can start at number four. Yeah, yeah. Unless you need a breather here. That was great on Byron Young. I'm excited to watch more of him. I know he had some big weeks during the season. We've talked a little bit about him before.

But to fully evaluate him, the old age versus talent versus backstory debate is going to be, it's going to be a good one with him. My number four is Nolan Smith. The edge rusher from Georgia, six foot three, 235 pounds. If you don't know anything about him, he was a five-star recruit, a former number one overall player in the country. If you go to, I believe it's 247, you know what their higher guys, they do full write-ups on them and they give them a player comp and uh they compared him early on to what

khalil mac can be and it's funny because mac obviously a much bigger bodied player but a big reason why they compare him to mac because nolan smith at 235 240 whatever he's gonna end up weighing in out of the combine the man's a house and run defense and i you would just never think that with him you know i agree you would look at his body type and you would say okay this is clearly a twitchy speedy pass rusher that you're gonna put in wide nine alignments in a stand-up position and he's just gonna attack outside shoulders and pass for specialized situations he does do that. But then he'll also put him hand in the dirt at five techs sometimes.

And he'll go straight up against offensive tackles. You know what the crazy part is, Connor? He'll win. He'll hold the point of attack. He'll get his arm straight up into the chest of offensive tackles. And the second he knows where the running back's going, he will rip them to the side. I cannot believe how strong he is when it comes to engaging with those push pull techniques or the bull and rip whatever you want to call him i mean he is such a good run

defender and i think for that he's got a fantastically high c or high floor to him pass rush profile i, still needs work. There's just not a ton of production to him pass rush-wise when you look at a former number one overall recruit. He also missed the last, well, I mean, he's still out and George is still playing, so I can't say the last two or three games. He tore his pec. That's what I'm trying to say.

He tore his pec near the end of the year. Only played in eight games because of it. For as athletic as he is, I think he really knows how to get off the ball. He really knows how to get up the arc and challenge that outside shoulder. He relies on his athleticism too much. There are not a lot of moves that he goes after. He's an athlete out there. And he is, and that's really what it comes down to

is he needs to be more than just an athlete and i think that's that's the question that we were asking of him going into the season after watching him from summer scouting i know that's what i wanted to see more of a pass rusher rather than an athlete he was still kind of just an athlete but it's still fair because george's defensive line has been so stacked over the last two years he hasn't had a ton of opportunities you know there's pure pass rush opportunities he got more this year but he's a rare athlete it's kind of what I'm trying to say rare athlete who has a lot of the tools that you would want he's just a little too reliant on that that athleticism you're probably gonna have to put more weight on him in the NFL that's just the way that it's gonna be but if you do

even if you get him up to just like 245, like I still think you've got a damn good player, a guy who knows how to hold the line of scrimmage, and somebody who has that overall athleticism that I think become a really, really good pass rusher, even if it's still a speed rusher. So I ended up having Nolan Smith at number four for me. It's hard for me to argue.

A guy that didn't make my top five but was in that conversation for number five. There's so much projecting still with Nolan Smith, which is so interesting for a former number one recruit, a senior on a top flight program like Georgia, that ball of clay where everything is there for him to just be a star. And you're right, it's odd how good he is against the run.

And even more surprising is how much he lacks consistency purely rushing the passer. So it's a lot to unpack. Obviously, what stinks is in the year we expected Nolan Smith to really just take off, he has the pec injury which is is brutal for him so he's somebody that I'm very curious to see where he ultimately ends up for me because there is so much to like about the player um and and I know it sounds like he has a really good reputation as well that we go back to the character aspect as well so i listen no i'm not going to fight you to

the death on that one i'll understand why anybody has him in their top five my number four was somebody that really surprised me uh tyree wilson from texas tech okay really surprised me somebody that i thought i would be lower on and maybe having him as my number four edge is you know I don't know lower but I know some people really like this guy like they like this guy is a top five kind of pick so when I look at Tyree Wilson you want to talk about projecting right senior from Texas Tech six foot six 275 you hear right there six foot six his best trade is his length uh I think the thing he needs to work on in his game the most is the lack of polish. I think my favorite line in my scouting report is, he plays like a bull in a china shop. And what that leads to is completely out of

control play, but also jaw-dropping power at times. And I posted a couple of clips of him destroying the souls of a Baylor guard and a West Virginia guard. And some of the responses were like, these guys aren't good. And I'm like, I don't know, though. I think this is just the kind of power this guy has. So seven sacks, 10 hits, and 32 hurries with a 21.9% pass rush win rate in 2022. The Big 12 was kind of not really a fair matchup for this guy. I would have loved to see him in the SEC or the Big 10.

Life goes on. Possesses incredible length that creates consistent matchups against any offensive lineman. Trevor, they have him standing up. They have him playing inside, outside. They run him on stunts all the time. Plays with his hand in the dirt as well. I wrote, though, no real pass rush plan,

but the raw traits still led to production. When he hits quarterbacks, it looks like a car crash. It looks like the Matt Milano, Mike White hit from the weekend every single time with Tyree Wilson. They just go flying. They go absolutely flying. His strides cover an insane amount of ground when he plays the outside run he can get from the middle of the field to the sideline as quick as any edge rusher

as i've seen in this class with his length but the full transparency on him is that if he had more polish we'd be talking about him versus will anderson and he doesn't he just doesn't right now it's it's this is to me, I'll say it right now, maybe the biggest boomer bust non-quarterback in the entire draft, Tyree Wilson. I would be scared shitless if I took him with a top 10 pick, but I understand. I understand why somebody will do it,

because he has so much raw talent packed into his body. He was not in my top five. He's not number six. I have him in number seven. And I definitely hear a lot of the things that you're saying, and I don't necessarily disagree with him. When he can utilize his length, length i mean his length is clearly his biggest asset right a couple of those clips that you that you posted are obviously him

destroying reps but you know they're they're against offense guards he does the same thing against um tackles just because he is so long i think he's got an over seven foot wingspan which is nuts yeah he's a small forward out there. He's massive. When he extends, when he remembers, I think to extend his arms fully, there is nobody really in college football that he went up against that could handle that. So if you guys sit there and you think about the physics of what happens

when a guy with a seven foot wingspan is pushing you like a sled, but his arms are fully extended, you are on your heels. And the way that you counter someone who is bull rushing you is you kind of want to hop your feet. You want to squat down lower and you want to try to reposition yourself. But if you can't get your hands on them at all while they're bull rushing you that makes that very very difficult to stay balanced so you see a lot of really dominant reps from wilson when he is using his length the way that he should okay i look okay i'll read his strengths and then i'll read his weaknesses because i i do have takes on on tyree wilson

strengths obviously wingspan over seven feet understands attacking the half man i do think that this is something that he understands a lot and and when i say that i mean when you pass rush you want to you want to split a guy in half right like if you're attacking on the outside you want to split him in half you want to attack the outside of him you know don't worry too much about the other side of things try to attack the half man with your full body that way you can overpower that side that way you can get around the edge whatever it is he understands attacking a half man with his length and it makes it very difficult to stay in front of him uh long arm obviously very effective when he can hit the chest and lock out almost no player is able to regain

leverage once he does this here are my weaknesses for him now it's three games of them and i i have a feeling that by the end of this draft process because i've seen so many people mock him in the top five top ten then i'm gonna have to just watch all of his games to to see where everybody's getting these kinds of projections you really need to it's there is he's the projection guy man like there's just no way around it he could be an all pro in four years and i't think, I don't think he'll be very impactful year one, full transparency. I really don't. It's the, the great hope because there's God,

the flashes are crazy. They are crazy there. I mean, they're, they're definitely crazy here. Okay. So here's my, here's my weaknesses for him.

The Trayvon Walker cop comps. Don't hold up. I don't seem like that at all. Anybody who's like anybody who says, well, Tyree Wilson's like Trayvon Walker last year. Don't hold up. Oh, no, I don't see him like that at all. Anybody who's like, anybody who says, well, Tyree Wilson's like Trayvon Walker last year, don't hold up. He's not like Trayvon Walker. He's not nearly as explosive, not nearly as twitched up,

not nearly as flexible as Trayvon was last year. And I even thought Trayvon was a projection. They had Trayvon Walker as like edge five in that class, right? I know he went number one overall, but I had him at edge five in that class because of the projection know he went number one overall, but I had him at edge five in that class because of the projection that he was. Obviously, Tyree Wilson plays very upright when he's in a two-point stance.

I mean, he's huge. So that's tough to argue against. This is my biggest criticism of him. I don't think he consistently plays violent enough. I just don't think, like, when he's bracing for contact or when he's going up against offensive tackles, you can point out plays to me that he does play violent, but I'm watching full games of him,

and I don't see it for most of the game. Like, I feel like it's soft contact. Like, it's just, he is, I did not see violence from him. And when I am looking for players on the line of scrimmage it is like people say it is small car crashes every single snap and i just did not feel like tyree willison played with that kind of intensity with that kind of violence i also felt like he was one of the last people out of his stance almost every time now he can make up for it because he's got his length and he's a uh momentum mover he's a momentum athlete if you will but

i thought his reaction time was a little bit slow getting out of his stance was a little bit slow and i didn't think that when he finally made contact with these guys that he was that violent so i mean his length is definitely going to be coveted they simply god simply did not make many humans like tyree wilson and there's a lot of areas where he can improve i also think that he has a false step that's something i noticed that he got cleaned up so maybe that helps him with pass rush a little bit but he doesn't really have a plan outside of just being bigger and longer than other people the long arm's brilliant but he doesn't have too much outside of that. He's basically winning right now off of being uniquely built.

And that gets much more difficult in the NFL when offensive linemen not only get bigger and smarter, but smarter. They get very smart as well when you get to the NFL. And I just don't think he's a violent player. I want violent football players on my defensive line. So, man, I just didn't think he's a violent player. I want violent football players on my defensive line. So, man, I just didn't see what Tiger was. I was wondering how high you were going to have him

because I figured that we were going to have this discussion. I'm curious as to what people think, so I'd love to hear you guys' opinions if you've watched him in the chat. But I get the allurement. I wouldn't be picking him top 10. No way. No way would I be picking him top 10. But that's just my opinion.

No, listen, I totally get it. How do you give him that one off my chest? No, it's... I mean, you hear me talk about him. I think there's so much risk and so much potential reward, and it's going to happen. So it's... Oh, man, it's tricky.

Who you got at number two? Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. I was going to say, whoa, number two oh man, it's tricky. Who you got on number two? Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. I was going to say, whoa, number two. Oh, wait, we're at number three. Sorry, I can't do math. Can't do math. Number three for me is Miles Murphy.

So. Oh, we're going to have the same top three. Wow. That surprises me. That shocks me. All right. That shocks me. It's a great day. a great day great day baby god we are just good i mean all right let's get miles murphy done so we can get to the fun uh no i'm just

no miles murphy's still fun miles murphy is a great player and i want to make that very clear. Miles Murphy is going to get a lot of labels as not living up to the production. And I don't really agree with that when you watch his tape. Now, what I, what I will say for miles Murphy, six naps, act seven quarterback hits 21 hurries this year.

That's a pass rush win rate of 14.3%. That's not an alarmingly great number, but this is somebody with a pro ready long arm i mean his ability to execute the long arm is going to work against nfl offensive linemen he has a nice push pull for his size for a guy that's 6'5 275 i think he'll honestly play closer to 280 in the 280s he can turn the corner a little bit. He's asked to read and write. We've talked about this over the summer. His ability to read and react to contain against the run is excellent. He's a great run defender. I love his effort.

I love his hustle. I love his power. He's a very high floor player, very high floor player. I think Miles Murphy comes in from day one and he's at least an average starter as a rookie, which is a wild accomplishment for any rookie on the defensive line with a ceiling to grow into much more. So I was a big fan, a really, really big fan. I think that he's maybe one of the safer picks in the draft, depending what you're asking him to do. But I think he's somebody that can be a big end for you i think i'm passing downs i'd like to see him kick inside and get some chances to rush against between guards and centers or play him at three tech there's a lot you could do with him but man i was a big fan of miles murphy trevor he's a good player he's a good

player and you mentioned kind of his his alignment i see him as a four three defensive end or a three four defensive end you know something that he's playing anywhere from a four-eye technique to you know a six or something like that you know however you however you have those numbers uh lined up when it comes to the tight end being on the line of scrimmage i think he's playing really anywhere there and you can find a home for him and he'll definitely be comfortable um that body frame, 6'5", 275. I mean, he carries it very well, too. He carries it like somebody that you would want to as an edge rusher. You mentioned the long arm.

I think the long arm, when he hits it, very nice. I mean, it is a beauty when he can hit the long arm. I'll get to that in a second because I do think it's a little inconsistent, but definitely if he hones in on that, I feel like that's a go-to pass rush move. The push-pull is fantastic with him because he's got the long arms. He's got the strength to him. He's got the leg drive. So he can immediately knock offensive tackles back,

and then he can immediately discard them one way or the other. He's very good at that. I also watched him hit a club rip a couple of times, ripping past that outside shoulder, which I'd love to see. So he's got a decent pass rush profile to him. He's a former five-star guy from the state of Georgia, number three overall player in his recruiting class. I'll note this too. Remember, he's 6'5", 275. We mentioned that. Was on Bruce Feldman's freak list with a 405-pound bench press, a 505-pound deadlift and a 40 yard dash time clocked in the high four fives you're six five

275 and you hit anything in the four fives i'm going home i'm locking the door yeah i'm hiding behind the couch it's pretty awesome i'm turning off my cell phone um when you look at his strength he's's explosive for a dude this his size, which you love to see. I mean, the athletic profile is why he was so high of a recruit. Good anchor and run defense. Love that. I think that puts a high floor on him, without a doubt.

He can even take on doubles when they're coming his way against duo blocks. When he really gets into his bull rush, he is very effective, especially when he could pair it with that long arm move. I'll say this hand placement and overall arm technique can be a little inconsistent when he hits that long arm. It's really good, but too often he won't lead with it and he'll give players his chest. And I don't really know why they're a handful of times when I was watching, I think I watched four games of him where, you know,

he'd attack the offensive tackle. And it's almost like he's just like going to give him a hug. Like he's just got he's got to get the elbows in. He's got to get the arms out. And if he does that, man, he's just a terror for offensive tackles. But the hand placement is a little inconsistent there. And unfortunately, when he does not do that, it negates his biggest strength, which is his size and his athleticism there. Even if he's got a really good speed to power move because of how fast he's going at the line of scrimmage.

Weaknesses. He doesn't have a ton of rush moves. I said I feel like he's inexperienced in that area. Would love to see him develop an inside counter. I don't feel like he hits the inside move too much, but overall, I guess spark notes of the player, my little summary here. Powerful player in size and explosiveness, too much but overall i guess spark notes of the of the player my little summary here powerful

player in size and explosiveness versatile enough to play in a 3-4 or a 4-3 hand usage passers moves counters need a good amount of work before he's an effective pro at the next level um but it did get better as the year went on i wanted to note that i like watching tape in succession throughout the year to see how much guys got better throughout the year and i think that he did get better throughout the year that south carolina game at the very end of the year felt like his most complete pass rushing game which is good to see high floor run defender but a raw pass rusher right now so i i liked miles murphy you know this is another guy who i see miles murphy going in the top five of picks and now watching his film again

getting back to the regular season i would go okay i'd be comfortable with miles murphy like 8 to 15 i'd probably be most comfortable i liked him i didn't love him right i think i think he is a good player i'm almost sure of it and that's not that's not something we say often right and look if he if he tests freaking out off the charts then obviously that's going to go into our profile because that that goes into okay we are confirming what he can be but from the film from me thinking that he's going to get a little bit better in that area as well i see him as a top half of the first round guy but he's not a player that i would put in the category of like okay it's jalen carter it's will anderson and, and then we're getting Miles Murphy and we're cool with it.

I do think that there is a significant teardrop there with him, but this is a really good football player, and I think he can be a starter in the NFL for a long time. All right, number two. Great day to be a great day. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before we get that, before we hit it. Got to talk to you about our friends.

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with an incredible season in the ACC for Florida State. Jared Verse. Let's go! Let's go, man. Jared Verse is my number two edge rusher in this draft class. I didn't really have a lot of reservations putting him there, to be honest with you. I loved everything I saw from Jared verse this year,

his first year in D one FBS seven and a half sacks, two quarterback hits and 22 hurries on just 167 pass rush snaps that is a 23.4 percent win rate a alarming number can effectively play standing up or with his hand in the dirt powerful hands that jilt offensive tackles when this man's hands connect it stuns them it stuns guys there it looks like a heavyweight fighter coming out of the corner and throwing his hardest hook and the opposition is just like where am i right now converts speed to power i think he might actually be the best in this draft at converting speed to power that including will anderson has read and reactability against the run plays with a lot of effort that jumps out when pursuing the ball carrier quarterback

no play is ever dead for jared verse a couple things in the pass rush arsenal trevor bull rush club arm over spin move i mean this dude came from albany and has had one year in the power five one year in the fbs and he has more polish as a pass rusher than most prospects you'll see i mean really and honestly i think towards the end of the year he was he was a little banged up you can kind of notice it when you're watching the it when you're watching the tape. You could see how banged up he was. If a team drafts Jared Burse that was ready for the first six weeks of the season, and I really am excited to hear what you have to say

because I know you've spoken with this very, very bright young man. I think he could be a star in the NFL. I love him. I would take Jared Verst in the top five over Miles Murphy or Tyree Wilson. And I haven't seen him anywhere in that conversation. I'll say it right now. That Eagles pick owned by the Saints,

if the Eagles dream of Will Anderson or Jalen Carter, can't happen and they get Jared Verst and a lot of people react like, man, imagine if they got Anderson or Jalen Carter can't happen, and they get Jared Verse. And a lot of people react like, man, imagine if they got Will or Jalen Carter. I'm going to look around and go, they are terrifying right now to me. Jared Verse is a stud, man. He's a stud. Jared Verse is closer to Will Anderson than the next pass rusher in this class is to jared verse bullseye

jared verse is a lot closer to will anderson than uh than whoever's gonna come up next after jared verse here sitting at number two i also have him number two overall and it's because i mean you did such a great job highlighting it what is not to like essentially about jared verse now that's not to say that he is a perfect player right i saw a little bit of a false step with him um i feel like that's something that he could get cleaned up he's got experience rushing from a two point to three point stance but i don't love him from a two point stance i do love him from a three point stance though he could be a little bit out of off balance at times like sometimes he's playing a little bit

too much out on the ground or a little bit too out of control um i think that all those things are things that he could get cleaned up but the background of him okay former tight end split time at tight end and defensive end when he was in high school played for an offense didn't really let him shine very much uh a lot of teams wanted him to play tight end but he really wanted to play defensive end ends up going to albany because albany said hey we'll give you a shot at defensive end all right red shirts his first year that second year was coveted year they didn't even have a season and where a lot of these guys just went home relax whole buddy jared verse got to work okay he showed up at albany and he and I think when we talked, he told me he showed up at like 6'3", 210, 215. And during that COVID year, him and his dad built a home gym, and he just ate well, lifted iron.

You could have just told me he ate iron, and I'd have believed you. Because when he showed back up at school he said he was 250 he had gained 40 pounds over that year and what happened he was a conference player of the year he's one of the highest transfer uh ranked players that you could find goes to florida state and all of this stuff shows up he's got a track background too so that explosiveness that you see right out of the gate that's from sprinting track he was in a 4x four team i think that uh then ended up winning states he also was a high jump guy for his athlete for his explosiveness and you see this all when he puts the pads in the helmet on all of this the background is phenomenal for him so you gotta love where

you're coming from in that regard but you mentioned all the ways that he could win man i think he's a true 4-3 defensive end because I love when he gets to put his hand in the dirt, he gets to start low, and he just gets to explode off of that front foot. He's got speed to power. He's got a long arm. He's got hand swipes. He's got a swim move. He's got a single and double arm chop to get these offensive linemen's hands off of him. He's got so much, man. It is so great to see a player that is athletically as gifted as he is as strong as an

ox as he is and as as advanced as he is for not really playing defensive end that long this is just his second year really playing he's redshirted his first year worked out his second year played as an all conference player in the FCS, and then he was a standout player in the FBS. There is so much to like about Jared Verst. And man, I just, I'm with you 100%. In this class, even from what I've seen from all positions, I'm very comfortable with this dude in the top 10. He hurt his knee in week four or five of this season. He got rolled up on, or I think his teammate's helmet actually hit his knee, and he was wearing a brace from that point forward in the season.

And I do feel like even though he was able to play, even though he was still able to be explosive, as the season went on, you could tell it was affecting him a little bit. So keep that in mind, you guys, as you watch this season. First four games, I think he was fully healthy. The next, whatever it was, seven games, I think that knee was a little bit banged up, especially as the year went on. But so much to love about his game.

Lower body athleticism, the quick hands hands the violence that this dude plays with violent dude and like i said i want violence on my on my defensive lines man that's what i want jared verse uh my number two pass rusher in this class and a guy who i really do think um could end up going in the top 10 in this in this draft we talk about matchups he saw sy Syracuse tackle Matthew Bergeron, who will be at the Senior Bowl, very highly regarded. He beat him up real bad when he was on Albany, and then he did it again when Florida State played Syracuse. And it's just more about verse to me.

If anybody really wants to poke holes and go, oh, who is he playing, turn on on that tape turn on that tape both games so let this dude be a hand in the dirt pass rusher and um he's gonna be unreal for you he's gonna be unreal for you he's the total package love it which doesn't leave a lot of surprise at number one. I didn't think there was going to be, but number one for both of us is, is will Anderson. So Connor, after all of the hype,

right? Because will Anderson went into this season as a potential top three pick potential number one, overall selection. When you went back to watch his tape from this past year, which a lot of people say is a down year for Anderson compared to what he was able to do the year before. What'd you see? What what'd you like what do you think about him overall as a player i definitely think because of expectations he didn't live up to them and it would have been impossible

to do so i agree i think there was a lot of attention his way i think overall there was a couple plays he missed that you know maybe changed the advanced stats a little bit. I thought he was really good this year, Trevor. I thought when I watched him as a sophomore, I was like, this guy should be in the NFL today. And I don't think he built on last year. Honestly, I think he just kind of is the same guy, and that's good enough for me to be the number one edge. So Anderson finishes the year with 10 sacks nine quarterback hits and 36 hurries he had a pass rush win rate of 19.3 percent in 2022

keep in mind he had 17 and a half sacks in 2021 so you know sack production can kind of be a little not fluky but there's different variables there he's a torpedo coming downhill on stunts they love running will anderson on stunts and it's a skill it's i mean he looks like a torpedo his timing his ability to get skinny uh just how the kind of athlete he is he can run the hoop he's got this really really good flexibility i personally think elite contact balance whenever he's so this you want to talk about the attention that he had to face this year that maybe he didn't get in 2021 teams tried to chip him with tight ends or dedicate the running back and pass pro strictly to him because they'd

go to the running back hey that guy is going to beat our offensive lineman you need to slide right away in his face. Didn't really matter. He's not phased by chipping tight ends. He made running backs look stupid in pass pro. I know people will kind of groan at that and be like, well, he should. But chipping tight ends, you don't feel it or see it. So for them to just kind of bounce off you and you're unfazed in your rush, that was impressive to me this year.

He's incredible at creating space to make easier rush pathways to the quarterback. And what I mean by that is his change of direction. He sets up tackles where his point A to B to the quarterback is the shorter route. I don't see Will constantly trying to run wide and come back around and get all these long extended plays i think he really understands how he can quickly affect the quarterback he's very smart he's very instinctive it's why he lives behind the line of scrimmage against the run so i mean this isn't groundbreaking stuff will anderson is exactly who we thought he was coming out of summer and i like this year's tape and i still think he's worthy of being the first player drafted overall in this in this draft class yep i i agree will

anderson um has such an impressive i think overall resume to him right yeah something that i track it is not just um captainship if that's a word which by the way, Will Anderson was a captain two years in a row. They voted him as a captain, as a sophomore and as a junior. He's also, I believe, started all 40 of the 40 games that he has played in at Alabama. They started him year one, game one as a true freshman. And he ended up leading the, the nation for freshmen in uh in sacks and tackles for loss so this dude's got 440 games played 40 starts which is unbelievably

impressive tells you how talented he is that he was able to get on the field and start for alabama for alabama the team that is never short of defensive line talent, five-star talent, whatever it is. Will Anderson was still able to stand out in that regard. 6'4", 245 pounds, a little bit lighter of a rusher, and I do think that that shows up a little bit. Less so in run defense, more so in tackling, actually, because he had a handful of missed tackles this year.

I believe he had eight missed tackles which was let me look here eight missed tackles was tied for 13th worst for edge rushers in the fbs so that was a high amount of missed tackles this year and i think that's what um people would point to is the uh lack of ability to finish that he had this year didn't really have that problem last year but um when people just bring up strength concerns with Will Anderson, just realize that when Will Anderson has the ability to get off the line of scrimmage, to stack you, to get into your chest, he can still control people. There is a specific clip that I remember from the Arkansas game where this Arkansas offensive tackle basically has 80 pounds on Will Anderson.

And Will, coming from a three-point stance, maintains leverage, fires into this dude's chest, extends his arm a little bit, sees where the running back is going, and just rips this dude to the side. And I go, okay, that's not a strength concern. Like, clearly, will anderson is disciplined and he is following his fundamentals which he does a lot the strength is there he knows how to manufacture that strength using really great leverage using really great hand placement really great technique so all of that still exists with now if he's taking contact in a way

that he's not expecting, sure, he's going to get bounced a little bit because he's 245 pounds. And when it comes to tackling, you're not always able to square guys up and get your full body into it. That's when you really see that lighter weight show up. But I just want to say that he's got a lot less strength concerns than you would think for a guy who's 245 because of how technically sound he is. I will say this too.

He's got more of a false step than I thought that I was going to see. Will has been so productive as a pass rusher, especially as an athlete. I was like, oh, okay, this guy's going to be really refined. I know he's very disciplined in a lot of other areas, but it's the same thing as some of these other pass rushers in this class where he is firing off of that back foot, not the front foot, and he's lifting that front foot at the snap and it's like well damn this guy's good enough of an athlete where if you

kind of fix that a little bit if you again give will anderson that little bit more of an advantage i think that he's going to be even better at the next level so i think that that's something just to look out for but he has everything that you would want in a, I'll say more of a speed rusher, right? Cause he, I mean, he's not two 65.

He's not two 70. He's not like this big, strong base defensive end. He's got narrow waist. Actually. He's a pass rusher, right? He's a,

he's a skinnier slender pass rusher, but he's so damn athletic. When will Anderson puts his foot in the ground especially when it's in pursuit i mean he is on his horse and he will catch basically any quarterback any running back out of the backfield he takes that into his pass rush profile not as many pass rush moves as i thought now it's not as well i almost said bad i don't want to say bad. It's not as stark as it was for Nolan Smith, where I thought Nolan Smith is purely just living off athleticism. But I will say that I thought I'd see a little bit more in the pass rush plan,

pass rush profile from Will Anderson, where he does give you a handful of different moves. There aren't a ton in there. He honestly relies on his athleticism his bull rush his speed to power especially he's a monster with speed to power but he relies on that a lot more than he does the moves so the moves i think will be coming in the nfl as well but overall man i agree with a lot of the things that you said expectations were unrealistic at the beginning of this year this is still a phenomenal player this is the the type of player, type of person too,

I would say from everything that we know about him, that you take with a top five overall pick. You don't blink. You don't blink twice. You don't think twice about it. So that's what I think Will Anderson is. Yeah, he's a better edge rusher than any of the guys last year.

And we really liked Kayvon Thibodeau and liked Aiden Hutchinson and Jermaine Johnson and on and on. But he's just in a different class, right? He's just in a totally different class. He's, you know, much closer to the Bosa, Chase Young. I'm not saying he's those guys from a traits perspective or skill, you know, outlook, but just at the level of prospect he is.

Will Anderson's really, really good. And I know this podcast won't just be getting bored with will anderson being the guy it's just we call it like we see it he's there trevor before we get out of here you want to just go over a couple names really quickly that are on the outside looking in but maybe guys that were really excited about their process and i think they're really good players as well sure uh two guys that i will mention um that are kind of towards the end of my list i already mentioned tyree willison being seven for me so i won't mention him again i looked i got felix on a dk azuma uh somebody who i liked coming

into the season i have him as edge eight right now i'm i'm wondering if he ends up getting a little bit lower for me i wonder if he's i actually to think that he's probably going to be outside of my top 10. I'm at my edge 11 right now. I liked him more in the summer than I did this year. Now, he did not have as good of a year this year. He's still kind of your classic, like, let me get his measurables right. He is – Google Sheets, sorry. 6'4", 255 pounds. So he's like a true four three defensive end he's a power player

he can bend a little bit right he's got the burst and bend and that's that's a unique combo for a player who i think is as strong as him thing that bothers me about his game after re-watching him this year he's on the ground a lot man he's out of control i mean he's just off balance way too much and he's playing on the ground way too much it's like okay this wasn't just like a couple of one-off things like this is honestly a bad habit now so didn't like that part about his game but there are some athletic traits to like the other guy that i wanted to make sure that i brought up is somebody that we talked about during summer scouting andre carter from arm i don't really know what to do with him because army mainly place him in this angled wide nine alignment where he does not have to bend the pocket at all he doesn't have to go up the arc at all

they just put him so far to the left or right of the line of scrimmage they angle him so essentially he just becomes a straight line sprinter yeah to where the quarterback is going to drop back to in a three or five step drop and it works how often are you going to be able to do that in the league i don't know it's not it's not real and there are you know there are there are snaps of him playing a little bit closer playing as a five technique guy sometimes i've seen him play as a four eye they'll do that when they're close to the goal line or it's a short yardage situation so i know that he has the ability to do it and and i like the hands i think the hands are fast i think he's a smart rusher but

his whole pass rush profile is just so streamlined to something that is oddly specific to college football you just can't get away with that in the nfl and so I do still like him because he is six foot seven he's got a unique build to him but you know he's a high-waisted pass rusher he's not going to win with leverage at all he'll win with length sure but he's not going to win with leverage and if you're not going to be very successful with leverage and you don't have a lot of flexibility and bend to you how effective are you going to be if you're like a full-time five technique guy that you're going to play as a stand-up player even a little bit further outside of that i'm not too sure so i actually like the athleticism of andre carter i just don't know what to do with his skill set right now so he's sitting at number nine for me yeah i'm trying

to figure that one out as well weird season for andre carter he had four sacks and three of them were against utsa in week two um so he had some sacks and three of them were against UTSA in week two so he had some long stretches of you know generating some pressure here and there but in the mold how Trevor just described it where while you get credit for the hurries it's like is this translatable to the NFL level so I like him too but I'm still not really sure where he'll land right now I had him as edge 10 ahead of Felix and a DK Uzama. Yeah. So, okay. And then a couple of guys ahead of them, Derek Hall did some really good things this year from Auburn,

Zach Harrison from Ohio state who completely kicked the crap out of Jalen Duncan in the Maryland game. Who's a highly regarded tackle. Yeah. He got him twice at the end of the game no one smith keon white who i talked about as well i did not finish reports on guys like lucas van ness like i said because i want to see if he declares i have to watch mike morris i have to watch more byron young and i really need to watch will mcdonald's i when we started taping this show or we're about to sit down and tape the show i was wondering about declaration, but I realized that he is 23, I believe, so I'm assuming he's going to enter the draft.

And then Isaiah Foskey is another guy that I have right in that Ennodike Uzama territory as well. So this class is deep. This class is really, really deep, and there's a lot of work left to be done. Yeah, I think there's going to be a lot of edge rushers selected between rounds. I'll just say two and four. Those three rounds, I think, are going to be littered with pass rushers. There's going to be a lot of edge players that are going to go within there.

Really, the question's going to be, and I think the big question mark around All-Star Week and the Combine and Pro Days and everything is, who goes round one right who gets elevated enough to that point because edge rusher is a premium position and though it doesn't come with the draft tax that a quarterback does we know the teams if you need pass rushers you're probably going to overdraft one to go take a chance on one you might like the same thing goes for offensive tackles and this is just one of those positions. So we know that there's going to be a decent amount of edge rushers that do go in the first round, whether we have that many first-round grades on guys or not.

It's just who do we think those guys are going to be? So that's what we think here on this podcast. Those are my five. Those are Connor's five. I guess I'll recap mine really quick. Number five for edge rushers, I had LSU's BJ Ojalary. I had Nolan Smith at number four from Georgia. I had Miles Murphy from Clemson at number three, Jared verse from Florida state at number two and will Anderson from Alabama

at number one. Who did you have it for? I can't remember. I was just about to, well, I'll let you, I'll let you say it. I'll let you say it.

Go ahead. Five BJ Ojalary for me. Four Tyree Wilson. Three Miles Murphy. Two Jared Burse. One Will Anderson. So that's what we have. Those are our top fives.

You let us know who your top fives are. If you guys have gotten into this edge rush class, you don't even have to have a top five. You just hit us up and tell us a guy that you like, a guy that you don't like. Basically, any thoughts that you've got on this group, we would love to hear them. Hit us up on Twitter at Tampa Bay Trey at Connor J. Rogers. You can hit us up on Instagram as well, as well as if you're watching this video on YouTube, of course, we're reading all the comments that you guys have on the YouTube channel as well. That's a great way to connect with us too. Anything else you got before we get out of here, Connor? Man, I think that sums it up pretty well we will be on a

um three week three episode schedule next week leading up to christmas week want to make sure everybody knows that there will not be a amount of episode change and we'll figure out where we're going as well this is kind of going to be our staple here because it's that time of year where we're laying out the foundation that you listen to this show. You'll you'll know the top 150 prospects in the draft, you know, soon enough, which is pretty cool. Our goal is to update the NFL SC big board before trying week slash senior bowl week because they're basically like the same weeks going into each other. That's what we want to do.

Which is just great for everyone. I just want to, you know, say. It's really good stuff. It's not, I mean, they're down the road from each other, so it's not a problem at all. Yeah, Vegas and Mobile, they're right there. I made that drive in my sleep. It's just a stone's throw.

Yeah, no, of course. I had to do it uh so on thursdays moving forward uh we might throw some you know mailbags in there to make sure that we can catch up with all the the speak pipe voicemails that you guys have but yes uh we're gonna try to get to as many of these position ranking updates as we can before we get to the big big board update i'm not sure if the math works out where we have enough weeks to get to every single position, but we're going to get to a lot of the important ones. And if we miss a couple,

then you know, we'll make up for it with our thoughts whenever we update the big board, but that's kind of the plan moving forward. So that means the next time we talk to you, it's going to be what matters most. It's going to be a Monday episode. We'll get to update the draft order on the Wednesday episode. And then we will have another prospect ranking positional update episode

for you guys next Thursday. We'll keep the suspense. We'll keep it a mystery. A little bit of a thriller. Keep you guys coming back. What position are they going to do next? Going to have to find out next time on the next episode of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast.

I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers. Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll see you guys on Monday. We'll see you guys on Monday. Outro Music