NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 125. Updated 2023 Draft Order (Post Week 15) + Listener Voicemails

Episode Date: December 21, 2022

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you the updated first round draft order of the 2023 NFL Draft, and give answer some fantastic listener voicemails

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode we are updating the 2023 NFL draft right after week 15 of the NFL season what a wild week it was and because of that a lot of movement in the order however in the top 10 we're starting to see some familiar names and the top five things are really starting to get solidified so now we can have those

conversations hey this is what we think the draft is going to look like we're getting a clearer picture which means we can start to project where certain players might be going what certain teams might be doing and of course we're going to have a lengthy quarterback discussion as well because we know that that's what's going to control the draft we're also taking you guys's voicemails dedicating a lot of time at the end of the podcast to getting a handful of those i'm trevor sycamore with me as always is connor rogers let's ring the bell welcome to the opening bell of the nfl stock exchange podcast i'm trevor sikama that is connor rogers joining you guys on a wednesday christmas week wednesday i will add happy early

holidays to everybody out there we've got a gift for you and that is we're going over the brand new 2023 nfl draft order as we always do every wednesday but connor we're coming down to the wire my friend the regular season only has three weeks left. And the closer we get to those final games, the better picture that we have of the 2023 NFL draft. So excited to get to talk to you about it again, my man. But how are you doing today, my friend? I'm good.

This is one of those weeks that you're just sprinting to wrap up, not wrap everything up, but, you know, I know. I see what you did. Christmas pond. Christmas pond. Love that. Wrap everything up. Wrap it up. Wrap everything up. There you go. I mean, I know. I see what you did. Christmas pond. Christmas pond. Love that. Wrap everything up. Wrap everything up.

There you go. I mean, I know Hanukkah is underway. Christmas is this weekend for, you know, there's just so much going on. And the football has been crazy. It's absolutely insane. And now the draft really ramps up. So this is really a good show to kind of breathe. Do the draft order, as we always do.

Do voicemails, because we do want to continue to hear from you so we actually have a lot of voicemails we're going to get through today after the draft order and in the middle of all of this you and i are our scouting boots our scouting boots and chaps are on man we are grinding we are grinding we have scouting waiters on the people that really get deep in the water. We are grinding, grinding, grinding. So I guess we could we could say it right now. I mean, it's going to be running backs episode later this week as well. So it's it's nuts, man.

And it's exciting in in classic Trevor and Connor fashion. I think I realized that we didn't clarify that we were going to do running backs at the end of the week because i've been tweeting out like some information on running backs like i remember i put out a screenshot of tank bixby and somebody responded they're like oh we get running backs on thursday and i was like i thought we did too i'm like didn't we say that i've been making memes to hype up the show but i haven't actually told me what we're doing this show you make that meme oh yeah i made that i thought you said it to you i haven't actually told me what we're doing this show. Did you make that meme? Oh, yeah, I made that. I thought somebody said it to you. I haven't even tweeted it yet.

So if anyone's listening and wondering where it is, it'll be on your feed soon. But I've decided that for our position rankings, I'm just going to make a stupid wrestling meme every time we do a show. I'm actually, now that we're bringing this up at the beginning of the pod, I'm going to send your meme to our producer, Ryan, and I'm going to have him put it up on the YouTube. You've got to fly it in.

If you guys are watching on YouTube, you can see it there. Look, we're the bad boys of PFF. We represent for the running backs. We said right before this show began in a little pre-show, we were chit-chatting back and forth. We're already excited to record the next episode because of how deep this running back class is. And there's so many different guys to love, so many different shapes and sizes of players but we're not going to get

too far ahead of ourselves there we do have a whole episode devoted to that let's talk about the draft order my friend let's let's update the draft order here going into week 16 so following what i would say is the most exciting week that we saw in the nfl year this past year in week 15 houston tex, they got close. They got so close. But still sitting there with one win. They are 1-12-1. They have the number one overall pick.

Chicago, also close against the Philadelphia Eagles. I think a lot closer than some people thought it was going to be. They're 3-11. They're picking number two overall. Seattle still has that number three pick. Detroit, what a year for Detroit. For the Los Angeles Rams and their loss to the Green Bay Packers Detroit still has the number four overall pick Arizona Connor now sitting here at number five Indianapolis after the biggest collapse in NFL history sorry Colts

fans I'm sorry that's the last time I'll bring it up they're sitting there at number six Atlanta Falcons at seven Carolina Panthers at eight and then it would be the New Orleans Saints at nine but that New Orleans pick is for the Philadelphia Eagles which is hilarious because all three of those teams still have a chance to win the division in the NFC South then we've got the Las Vegas Raiders at number 10 Jacksonville's at 11 Houston's at 12 from Cleveland's pick Pittsburgh's at 13 Green Bay's at 14 Seattle again at 15 New England is 16 your Jets at 17 and then the Detroit Lions right there the final cutoff pick at number 18 overall. Connor, we'll start, I guess, towards the top of the order.

It's kind of getting to solidified, right? Because the teams that are bad are not really moving down the order. They're continuously bad. Teams are locked in the top five buddy it seems like this is a very realistic top five that we have already here at the uh at the eve of week 16 i think so too i really do we we have the houston conversation all the time the bears are a weird one because they're sitting at two which would be phenomenal for the bears but it feels like like every week Justin Fields comes close to winning them a game that you don't expect them to win, and then they just come up short.

Now, you look at their schedule, they have potentially the number one seeds from each conference. They host the Bills on Christmas Eve. They close out the season hosting the Vikings. I mean, now I don't think the Vikings will be the number one seed, obviously, but I'm just saying these are opponents that should beat the Bears. And then in the middle of that, dude, on New Year's Day, they have the Lions who the Lions are in winter.

The Lions are just in winter go home mode every week, and they're playing like it. The Lions are playing like they want to make the playoffs. So could the Bears win one of those three and things get really interesting with all the four win teams? Maybe, but they're still positioned in the right way to pick that high. And I truly believe they need to get a player of that caliber, the number two overall pick.

I think the conversation for me, Trevor, this week, that's much different than any we've had, is who are the sleeper cells to take quarterback, right? Like we can sit here and do the, and I don't want to give away some voicemail. So there's some topics I will purposely avoid during this segment that you will hear later. We could do the Houston quarterback conversation. Of course, the Colts, I get that Carolina, but who are the sleeper teams in the top 15, top 20 that you're like, man, they might take a quarterback or trade up for a quarterback

when you weren't that sure of it, especially going back to August. I kind of look at, dare I say, a New England. That's where my mind goes. If you're talking about true sleeper teams that we really haven't talked about with the quarterback before, New England's sitting there at 7-7. They've won a decent amount of games so far this season. But Mac Jones, I mean, his first name could be Mid for all we care.

Mid Jones, it seems like what we're getting right now with the ceiling of what he could be. That was a terrible joke. I'm sorry, everybody. It just came to my head, and I just couldn't help it. But they are, I think, now in the quarterback conversation, right? Earlier this year, we were already debating, like, who's going to play between him and Bailey Zappi I don't know if they feel good enough about Bailey Zappi to say all right we don't love Jones but we got Zappi so we're

good enough there New England even if they don't move they feel like a team that could take a quarterback in the first round right i mean 16 the way that mock drafts are falling right now and there's obviously there's going to be a lot of movement in mock drafts between now and the end of april but i think it's realistic as of right now to think anthony richardson could be available at 16 tanner mckee could be available at 16 maybe a guy like will levis who knows uh? Yeah, you never know. Probably not, but you never know. If CJ Stroud's stock falls enough, like maybe not at 16, but maybe you're within range to trade up and not really break the bank

because I don't feel like New England's going to have this massive trade up. It just doesn't feel like a real Belichick thing to do, move up from 16 and pay the price that you need to to go up and get those guys. But maybe if CJ Stroud ends up falling a little bit bit i guess i could say the same thing for will levis as well so all of a sudden not only is new england in range for a quarterback sitting there in the top 16 i think that conversation is warranted given how it feels uninspiring mac jones has been i won't even just say recently i feel like just throughout the entire year how uninspiring Mac Jones has been. I won't even just say recently. I feel like just throughout the entire year, how uninspiring he has been.

How much do you want to go into next season with him at the helm and be like, yeah, yeah, we're good. Like team's going to be good. We're totally fine. I mean, defense has been locked down basically the whole season. Offense just hasn't figured things out. And it's not the best receiving cast. I know I'm kind of rambling on it now, but to answer your question,

I do think the New England Patriots are a sleeper team for a quarterback. Right. And then you have the conversation, of course, around like in Atlanta at seven, that if Ritter plays like he played this weekend for the rest of the year, even if he plays well in a few games,

I just don't think atlanta's betting the house on desmond ritter does atlanta no matter what take the best quarterback at seven and you're gonna have teams get in on the veteran sweepstakes like i don't bring up you know the jets in this because i just think that front office would go veteran route before just drafting another quarterback and some people say well why wouldn't new New England do that? Well, New England, number one, different draft capital where they took Mack. Number two, they benched him for Bailey Zappia. It just doesn't feel like they care about feelings as much. New England, like New England to me would even consider probably keeping Mack

and drafting another quarterback and being like, we don't figure it out. We tough it out. The best man wins. So I just, I look at New England as definitely that kind of sleeper cell god there's so much what is green bay looking like with a top 15 pick right now because i'm not a belief that aaron rogers contract could be moved i know that's been drawn up by a lot of green bay fans right does rogers or jordan love end up on one of these teams in the top 16 and that changes everything right yeah i don't jordan love is an interesting chess piece going into this off off season because he'll be going

into year four of his deal next year and he is a first round pick so they also have the fifth year option on him so it's not like they're totally running out of time but would Green Bay think about moving him it feels like Rodgers is certainly enjoying playing football right now more than at least outwardly it felt like he was at the beginning of the year so I don't feel as though it's I don't I don't feel as though it's it's far-fetched to say that Rodgers would be back next year for Green Bay he's got a lot of money on the line, too, to come back next year and play for Green Bay. And even though he's not at MVP caliber, I still think he's been playing fine. Certainly, as he has gotten rapport with his wide receivers, you're seeing a lot more success in that realm as well.

Do they move on from Love? Because, I mean, I'm not going to lie. I'm looking at Las Vegas sitting there at number 10. It's not going to cost Las Vegas the number 10 overall pick to go get Jordan Love. No, no, no. No way. No way.

I would think that it's probably going to be some day to pick. If Jordan Love genuinely genuinely became available I I feel like Green Bay could pull the trigger with a second round pick if you offered a second round pick for Jordan Love I think they're pulling the trigger now anything less and it becomes less of a value of of Jordan Love and where you drafted him but more of the value of how much longer is Rodgers going to play right because if you think that he's coming back for next year which i guess i would lean he's going to be back with the packers next year dude there's so much money on the table for him to how much for him to retire would be insane right how much further are we getting there because

then you could still say no no we're not going to get jordan love we're not going to get rid of jordan love because if we play aaron rogers another year, we still have Love going into next year. We've got the fifth-year option, and then we can play him on it before we make any kind of decision on a quarterback contract. So I don't know if they're going to want to move on from him just for their own planning sake, but if they do, I think a team could offer a second-round pick for him, and that does go into the equation, I think, for a lot of these teams.

And I look at a team like Las Vegas, that's one that could be interested in a quarterback depending on what they're doing for derrick car derrick car's contract is very movable after this year it's advantageous for him to not be on the team anymore that's where my eyes go for jordan love i don't know if you have any other thoughts with love or where he could play into this quarterback conversation? A lot of places, because I think he's really talented. I mean, if I'm Atlanta, if I'm the Raiders, going down the list here. The Jets? I mean, who would have more info on him than the Jets?

The LaFleur brothers. So, the Jets. A little collusion. Yeah. Right. I mean, I don't think it's collusion. Yeah. I don't know if we use the right word. It's not collusion. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. It's not collusion. It's fascinating. I bet there's a lot of green Bay fans that are kind of slamming their head against their key, you know, wherever they are, hopefully not on a human or a car, but somewhere listening to this, this because they're like why don't we draft this guy in the first round

just to rot on the bench all these years and then we trade them for you know whatever 80 cents on the dollar or whatever it is and it's like well i don't think green bay thought they'd be in this situation and all you have to do is Google the structure of Rodgers' deal. The way it's lined up tells you that he's here to stay throughout the rest of Jordan Love's Packer tenure. So I don't get it either. I think you have to. Unless somebody is crazy enough out there to take on the Rodgers contract. And I just don't believe it.

I don't believe it. No. And I've seen mock Rogers trades all over Twitter. I'm like with like real assets going back. And I'm just like, does anybody look up the deal? Like the deal's crazy. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Cause we've seen GMs do some crazy stuff for quarterbacks.

Hello, Carson Wentz. Then maybe, but man, it just feels like, yeah, Jordan love wants to play. And there's been rumors that he really wants to play and there's been rumors that he really wants to play and who could blame him the guy i'd want to play i was going into season four we saw him for one drive and he ripped it up i'd tell the i'd tell the packers to let me join a local flag football league anything shoot uh rogers contract by the way he's a 28 he's a 28 and a half million cap hit this year. Would have had $150 million in dead cap if he was cut this year.

Next year, he is $31.6 million on the cap. $99.7 million in dead cap. Totally normal stuff. But then, true sicko stuff right here. This is the sickos meme. I am the sickos meme right now i'm loving this but then the year after that in 2024 which would still line up decently i think with a jordan love timeline because then if you wanted to move on from rogers and play jordan love on the fifth year option you could definitely do that uh rogers contract goes up to 40.7 against

the cap but all a lot of the guarantees are already gone off the deal so there's 24 million in dead cap there but you can move on from and be okay for it especially since let's face it when you eventually move on from aaron rogers whether it's completely amicable whether he retires or or whether it's something that crashes and burns and you're basically like hey buddy you need to get out of here. We're going to cut you. I think that's coming within the next two years. And whenever that comes, it's going to be a total rebuild anyways. So I don't think it's really that big of a deal

that you would put $24 million on dead cap. Like that sucks. Don't get me wrong. You would like to avoid that. But your team is going to be bad is what I'm saying anyways. So I think that you've just got to accept that with the contract that you sign. Can I throw a big brain at you right now? Oh, yeah. Love it.

I don't even know if I believe in this, but I just want to throw out a scenario. Even better. Let's hear it. What if you're Houston, right? And you get into the draft room and this happens. You don't you like some quarterbacks. You don't particularly love one. And you have just a monster grade on Will Anderson. You're like, Will Anderson is, we think Will Anderson could be Miles Garrett,

whatever it is, impact-wise. And you don't see any other player in the draft like that. If you're Houston, are you intrigued by the idea of taking Will Anderson first overall and pick swapping number 12 or some kind of exchange that is, has nothing to do with the first overall pick for a player that is intriguing like Jordan Love, like Trey Lance, like, you know what I mean. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Where they have grades from those drafts.

And I know Casario wasn't there during those drafts, but Casario still did evaluate all these guys and has graded them a certain way. Trevor, is that something that might interest you? In a sense of, we want the best player in the draft. We like Bryce on the show, right? Obviously, we like Bryce Young a lot, but I'm just trying to throw out a scenario.

Some teams aren't going to like Bryce Young. I'm sorry. He's 5'10". Some teams aren't going to like Bryce Young, and we have to brace for that in some way. Isn't that alternate route at least intriguing in a sense? I think for Jordan Love, it becomes intriguing. Yeah, Trey is just a wild card beyond belief at this point with his injuries.

And the Niners don't have a pick until the third round. So there wouldn't be a pick swap involved. You'd obviously just be moving something on from Trey. But they sunk so many assets into Trey Lance. I don't even think they can move on from him. I don't either. It would be wild if he would be on the Trey block. Wild to me. I shouldn't have thrown that in there.

I just didn't want it to be just Jordan Love. I mean, look, it makes sense that you're throwing that out there because a lot of people are wondering okay well what happens with the san francisco 49ers quarterbacks right jimmy g is a free agent upcoming brock purdy is still going to be on the roster and he's out here lighting it up and he's probably going to get the starting nod i think throughout the regular season throughout the entire playoffs i know there's talk of jimmy g maybe being healthy enough but shoot man looks like procs operating that offense well enough to where you don't even have to sweat that. So all of a sudden you got like three quarterbacks,

one's hitting unrestricted free agency. But if somebody calls about Lance or Purdy, like Purdy is obviously the one that you would probably move on from the most, but what if, what if Purdy takes you to Superbowl, right? What if, what if the San Francisco 49ers, and I get that they've got an elite defense and that's probably the reason why they would get there anyways but purdy is playing well what if purdy takes him to super bowl what do you do shit what if they win the super bowl with brock purdy well then all of a sudden what do you do you know what i'm saying no you're you're right

you're right and i know the sample size for purdy small but there is a world we're living in where listen i think jimmy g is going to get a really good contract and like i i just there is a world where it's brock purdy and trey lance in niners camp next year and kyle's like okay this is what we're rolling with oh man there's a i really got us like i took us off the highway into just nowhere so the houston texans the houston texans have two first round picks they've got pick number one and number 12 right now they've got one second round pick and then they've got two third round picks if you don't love bryce and 33 is high 33 is basically like another first-round pick. It's right there.

But would you trade 33 for Jordan Love? Right. That's kind of what I'm thinking. I'm very intrigued by that idea. I wonder if they'd throw a pick back at you. Yeah, yeah. It's not just that here's 33 and we get Jordan Love. I think you'd get a a fourth rounder in there.

Yeah, I mean, I'd push for the third because the third is 76 overall and you're trading a 33rd. So that's like back in the first round, basically. It's a lot of value between those spots. I'd push for it. Like I might if I'm Houston, I might go, OK, we'll give you 33. And then I think they have. You make sure here.

They've got one fourth round pick, one fifth round pick, and then a butt ton of sixth round picks and seventh round picks. So what I'd probably say is I'd call them up, be like, we'll give you 33, we'll give you 103, which is the fourth round. So a second rounder and a fourth rounder. You give us Jordan Love and a third rounder. There's a way to do this where I think everybody i don't know if they do a third yeah i don't think i don't think they would i don't think they would i just said that out loud

i'm like no they're probably not the texans are not that's just the texans jordan love is the domino in this draft that I find fascinating. Fascinating. And I'm not saying that as he's gone. I'm saying that as like either he's the starter for the Packers next year or he's starting somewhere else. I think it totally alternates how we think the top 15 will go. I'm intrigued.

I'm intrigued by all of this. It's a good conversation I like it I don't know I don't know if Houston's going to take I think it would be crazy if they didn't take a quarterback but Bryce isn't going to be for everybody you're right he's not going to be

Houston be sitting there at 1 they get themselves Will Anderson they're sitting there at 12 they can get Quentin Johnston, and you get Jordan Love. Boom, boom, boom. Then you still got two third-round picks, you get a fourth-round pick, a fifth-round pick,

three sixth-round picks, and three seventh-round picks. Come on, folks. We're rebuilding. Get in, loser. We're rebuilding the Houston Texans. All right. Oh, man. Any other thoughts on the top 20 before we move on to some more?

I just wanted to completely throw a firecracker in the middle of it today. That's all I wanted to do. I'm content. Yeah, I think Arizona. I'm just kind of going over some spark notes here. Arizona, any trenches, bad. I think the first offensive tackle could go off the board for Arizona. Although, Josh

Jones has been playing decent. DJ Humphries was good when he was healthy. So there's no guarantee that that's going to be the case unless they want to draft Peter Skowronski and they think that he could be just an interior guy. But are you drafting an interior guy at five? Probably not. So maybe that's like a Brian Brazee spot. Maybe that's a Miles Murphy spot. A Jared Verst spot. Great

day to be a great Dane. That's right, buddy. Indianapolis, I think trenches as well. Offensive trenches. Levis is already a cult. Oh, yeah. I forgot Levis is already a cult. I say it every show. No, you're right.

You're right. Atlanta could use literally any defensive player, anyone. Just put them on a dartboard, throw a dart, and pick one. Carolina, of course, needs quarterbacks, so they're going to be heavily thinking about that. And then Philly still has a top 10 pick. It's wild. Wild. Voicemail time?

Real quick. Yes. Because I just got the Jacksonville in the order. Been a lot of talk lately, Connor. Even here on this very podcast about the Jacksonville Jaguars drafting a wide receiver in the first round. A lot of talk, a lot of mocks, a lot of options. I think I like offensive line better for them now.

100%. You look at what Zay Jones did this past week. You look at what Christian Kirk's done all season long. You look at the fact that Evan Ingram's even playing well for him. They get Calvin Ridley back next year. I'm not saying the Jags don't need to invest in wide receiver at all in this draft. But at 11?

Go get an offensive lineman. Paris Johnson Jr. Peter Skowronski. These guys that have some guard tackle flexibility. You don't have to overpay Juwan Taylor if you don't want to in free agency. You know, you got the options to go get an offensive tackle that you can start right away. I don't know, man.

I think I'm much more on team Jacksonville drafting an offensive tackle than I am wide receiver. What say you? Well, that, of course, and as we sit here, you know, Cam Robinson is probably out for the rest of the year. So now they're dealing with some injuries there. We're going to get to see what Walker Little has in that spot, who's flashed when called upon.

That is intriguing. That one's intriguing. What Walker Little looks like. Yep. And I piggyback that with, you know, is this defense good? Because I don't think it is. So we can't even rule out them continuing to add to the defense. Yeah, look, they're not where they need to be,

but Trayvon Walker, Josh Allen, Devin Lloyd, Chad Mumma, Tyson Campbell. Yep, Campbell's good. But I think you just outlined exactly what I'm thinking. I'm thinking a corner across from him. I think they need a corner across from him. With where they're drafting, right? Like you're in Christian Gonzalez and Porter range. That's true too.

Yeah, I think, yeah, I wouldn't hate that. I might like that more than wide receiver as well. I think this wide receiver class is much more hit it on day two than much more hit it on day two than it is hit it on day one i totally agree so uh for the jags i just wanted to i just wanted to throw that one i'm glad you did i think they're fascinating they're hot right now so they're picking 11 so hot right now here's the thing trevor they are picking 11th at 6-8. The Lions at 7-7 are in the 18th spot. So the volatility of where Jacksonville picks right now is really big,

where you're not just trying to throw. They're not really even going to be in blue-chip territory, we think, when it's done. They play the Jets on Thursday Night Football. I haven't even looked right now, but I'm thinking the game's got to be a pick-em, I would think, so who knows what happens. I think the Jets were favored by one last time I looked. So they're saying the teams are even

and the Jets have home field. They play the Texans, who are no gimme. Let me say this about the Texans. I will not call the Texans a gimme. I like the Texans' pass defense, andans past defense and Jacksonville strength seems to be Trevor Lawrence throwing. So interesting. And then they play the Titans the last game of the year.

Yeah. I mean, what are we talking about here? Actually, actually, now that now I'm thinking about it, the Jacksonville Jaguars are going to be picking 20th overall because they're about to win the AAC.

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That's brothrow.com backslash stock. All right, you got the voicemails loaded up. Loaded up. Yeah, let's do it. Let me make sure the volume is up and we are away. Okay. Question for you with regards to offensive line and draft, specifically with center.

I was wondering why the NFL views them not as importantly as tackle. I get their interior and they have help from other interior linemen much more so than a tackle would on an island against an edge rusher. However, my counter point to that would be they're the only person guaranteed to touch the ball every playoff and offensive drive. You might say, oh, quarterback's

going to, but we've seen snaps to running backs and that other crap out there. Why does the NFL just not value them like that it's a great question right and it's something that I personally struggle with because I don't I value them more than the league I had Linderbaum I believe I think he was my fifth overall player and since trevor i pinned my draft rankings i could pull this up in under 10 seconds cheat reminder linderbaum was my fifth overall player so i'm with you i think the position matters a lot you have centers

a lot of them call out protections um which is so vital for young quarterbacks. The way the run game has worked in the modern age with so many teams kind of gearing towards outside zone and zone concepts, these guys are asked to pull and climb and reach. Athleticism is at a premium while you can't give up much in pass pro. I'm not saying centers, there should be four of them

that go in the top for in the first round every year i don't think it's that but i think the position has been entirely overlooked in a sense that it doesn't even make sense like i mean put in perspective like this how good creed humphrey is right and creed humphrey was taken i think at the end of the second round by the chiefs he was the 63rd overall pick where would cre Creed Humphrey go if that redraft was today he'd be a top 15 pick probably so I don't know what you think Trevor but I think the point is really really good and it's one of those things those old school things that I personally struggle with yeah I mean I think it just comes down to it's it's kind of like there's a lot of people that um can play center like there's a lot of people that can play center.

Like there's a lot of interior offensive linemen that have the ability to play center. Now the ones that are really good, I think, put a premium on the value, right? It's kind of like running backs, right? We're going to discuss this on the Thursday show. There's a lot of really good running backs in this class, but are there any that are going to separate themselves and say,

okay, you've clearly got to take this guy above the rest and i feel like the depth and availability of running backs is kind of like with center there's just a lot to choose from so it's not often you get that one where you go this guy is absolutely worth drafting high um and you know to what sam was talking about in in his in his voicemail, centers do often have help, right? I mean, like the nature of interior offensive line is you're not on an island as much as offensive tackles could be, right?

You're not asked to play in space as much as other offensive tackles. And, you know, when you have to play in space against guys, playing in space is often what gets you paid more money. You know, how much you can do with freedom and with space those are the creators on both sides of the ball the creators are the ones that get paid and so uh i i don't mean it to come as an insult to centers at all i think the centers are very valuable especially like you said like the guys like jason kelsey and and

creed humphrey and frank ragnall and and you you know, Rodney Hudson over the last couple of years. I know he's taking a dip this year, but like those are centers who are extremely impactful in so many different ways. Ryan Jensen for the Buccaneers on their Super Bowl run, right? Huge, pivotal that he was playing as well as he did at that position. And I just think that it comes down to the same argument that you have with running backs. There's just often a surplus of guys that can play the position that doesn't mean there aren't guys that ascend what is being asked of them that deserve to be picked higher i think that that's the case there's just a lot of people

who can play center it feels like there's just a lot of or a lot more i should say you know when you're looking at offensive tackles, you go, okay, you need to be a certain size. You need to have a certain arm length. The foot speed needs to be here. You need to be able to go up against guys one-on-one. You can't really have help. You got to have power.

You got to have speed. So there's so many different thresholds that you have to hit for, say, offensive tackles, where as a center, a lot of those weight thresholds or length thresholds or height thresholds or things like just relative athleticism with foot speed. Not to say the centers aren't athletes. Again, I don't want to make this sound like I'm demeaning centers at all whatsoever. not generally picked as high as other players is because the belief is that the replacement bar around the league or class to class is a lot lower than it is for other positions. The disparity between the guys who can do it in an elite level and the guys who could

be a replacement, if you will, isn't not isn't generally as high for centers that's not to not give the praise to some of the best out there so i think that that would be my answer to why centers aren't as prioritized really well said really well said and kind of how it goes to the market of positions in general that are under undervalued it's a you know kind of a demand and supply kind of issue so all right the next one economics baby so we're doing here hey guys my name is danny 65 270 long time listener first time caller connor i've been listening since the early days of stick to football trevor i owe you an apology i haven't really been too familiar with your game uh personally i'm a kind of sad Ravens fan. The defense is fine.

Roquan's been great. But, man, we need to open up the wallet for Lamar because he's just everything to our offense. But more specifically, I'm just more upset with Greg Roman and the way he's been treating our pass offense. And my question really is more revolved around what we can do to fix that because of free agency being kind of lacking this year and the draft similarly being lacking compared to previous years so what do you think the ravens can do to kind of turn that around thanks love it six five six five 270 270 stack danny's flying off the edge. Stacked. He's setting the edge for somebody right now. He's absolutely setting the edge.

Is that Chase Young? Was that Chase Young who just called this? My God. Chase Young? You play him at the five, or can you kick him into the three on passing downs? I also very much enjoyed the, I have to apologize.

I wasn't familiar with your game meme. That was excellently done there. Incredible Shaq meme. Ravens offense. Connor, I'll let you go first. Yeah, and it's a great evaluation of the situation they're facing and something we've talked about where, you know, with this wide receiver, it's funny how positions go, and you'll hear a lot more about this on Thursday's show. You'll have, when things don't

when they run a little parallel right so this year we are ultimately probably facing a wide receiver draft class that does not have a lot of star talent there's a couple good players probably deep and solid players it's not like last year let's just call it what it is yeah the wide receiver for agent market is not good this year i when i say darius slayton is one of the best names set to hit free agency at wide receiver i really mean it so with the ravens well one it goes back to danny's point about greg roman they ultimately have to decide what they're going to be when i'm assuming they find a way to keep lamar Jackson there for the rest of his career. And what does, is this enough, right? Is this working? There are heavy sets, there are reliance on the tight end

position. I think with Lamar, what I'm trying to say is you have to decide if, are you going to go out there and consider making a move as drastic as trading for a Deandre Hopkins, right? And I'm not saying that's the move I'm saying we're talking about, are you ready to allocate that kind of finances into the wide receiver position? Because ultimately what you've been trying has not been working. And what, what are your expectations for Rashad Bateman next year?

Who's been lost to the season? Because on one hand you could say, we use the first round pick on him. We think he's really talented. We've him flash on the other hand you could say he hasn't been healthy for us since he got in our building and this isn't this year this is for two years now so i think the ravens are at a weird crossroads where even if they pay lamar i agree with danny's overall concern of what they're doing isn't enough in my eyes to win the Super Bowl they need a star talent wide receiver that can help them they can elevate Lamar's passing Lamar has developed into

a much improved passer at the NFL level but like a lot of the quarterbacks that are seeing drastic jumps he doesn't have wide receiving talent like that so it's a huge question about offensive identity and offensive personnel and how you sync them together once you finally come to that agreement with lamar and that's a hell of a problem for the ravens to figure out right now because it's not it's not all on a platter to go out and get right it's not all there you're gonna have to get creative yeah where my mind goes and the ravens don't have a second round pick i don't believe i believe they have a first round pick and then they have a third round pick that's what it jumps to um and they're currently picking 25th back into the first round we haven't done our wide receiver rewatch yet but i do think that there is a realistic

possibility that jalen hyatt is a back end of the first round wide receiver and I do think that Jalen Hyatt could potentially be really nice for this Ravens offense I think Rashad Bateman's awesome a fully healthy year of Rashad Bateman I think has the potential to open up the offense now is Greg Roman going to open up the offense that way I don't know because everything seems to be centered around longer drives methodical drives obviously doing things on the ground it feels like the one-two punch and the threat in the backfield of lamar jackson and jk dobbins next year or whoever they're going to have it running back with dobbins is going to be the bread and butter that's kind of the way

that greg roman has always been but if you go out and you get a legitimate deep threat like if you let's just say regardless of how it happens where they pick him, Jalen Hyatt gets on this team. Then all of a sudden, like you've got a deep threat. You've got a vertical stretcher. You've got a receiving tight end in Mark Andrews, who you know you can lean on. And then you've got a go-to guy in the passing game in the short and intermediate with the route running savviness and the reliability of Rashad Bateman. To me, that's then a complete offense.

And it comes down to execution at that point it comes to being open enough in the passing game because you go back to Louisville and Lamar was a good passer at Louisville right and he's been a good passer throughout his NFL career but as of late especially it just feels like they don't want to open up they don't want to sacrifice what they're doing in the run game to open things up more in the passing game maybe that's because they don't believe they have the right personnel. Maybe it's not. So I'd be intrigued to see what this team is like if you get a fully healthy Rashad Bateman,

if you get a legitimate field-stretching player, and then, of course, you add Mark Andrews to that mix as well. To me, that's a recipe to have success to really make your offense a threat on any down in any situation so that's where my mind goes with it that's kind of what i would approach things for the ravens because you know you can you can potentially go get a field stretcher in darius slayton but i don't know what his price is going to be in free agency i don't know how much he's gonna he's gonna command given there aren't many wide receivers to choose from and plus you know it's not like the ravens are going to have a lot of cash sitting around anyways you know they traded for roque one smith and if they want to pay him obviously that's going to be a decent chunk of change

and of course lamar's contract is going to be a monster so um that's kind of how i'd look at it i look at jalen hyatt and i'd love to see jalen hyatt in uh purple and black all right here's our next one hey trevor con, Connor, this is Andrew. Huge fan of the show. Watching that World Cup final was amazing. And it got me thinking, what football games remind you most of that World Cup final? The one comes out to me, Chiefs-Bills playoffs last year. Want to hear your thoughts.

Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work. I mean, yeah. That Bills-Chiefs game, the back and forth the entire time, it was Allen being a hero. It was Mahomes being a hero. I mean, the only one that I can think of that might rival it is, what was that Rams Chiefs game

was it Rams Chiefs what was it where it was like the final score was like 52 oh I forgot about that game wasn't it a prime time Monday night game yeah no no it was it was nuts but I wouldn't say it's a forgotten game in history I wouldn't say that like that had the star power that mbappe versus messi did whereas last year alan versus my home she's back and forth i mean if if next score wins wasn't a thing and it was just simply whoever got the first stop we might have been there for another three hours oh yeah they would have just gone back and forth as just absolute titans playing the best ball that they possibly could in that moment so i chewed i think that uh i think it was andrew who was on the left that voicemail that's that's the one to me and i i don't mean for it to be recency bias but that one

mahomes versus alan that's that's got to be it for me do you think they have to change the um format are you a fan or not a fan of how it ends in penalties oh for soccer yeah no i think it's bullshit right it's terrible it's awful it's it's in the championship game it's like crowning a super bowl champion by uh having a field goal competition well can i here it is can imagine the stanley cup overtime was shootout oh i i'd stop watching the sport i mean no hockey fan like the shootout is great for highlights there is a part of it's really good for the game it's been fun in the olympics i get all of that but when you lose in a like real hockey fans don't look at it as a real loss or win it's like oh shoot out this because

they had the game had to end because it's the regular season and there's 80 freaking million of these at no point will you ever hear me say that a shootout in soccer is not entertaining it is i mean the pressure is insane watching those guys step up to take that free kick the pressure that's on guessing where the goalie's gonna guess guessing where you're gonna go whether you can hit it on target or not, how much pace do you put on the ball? Like all this stuff. It is a beautiful, torturous mind game that we get to watch sitting on our couch with no skin

in the game. But it is an awful, awful way to crown a champion. It's terrible. It is. So the only way that you should lose for a championship is by playing the game that you're actually playing. And penalty kicks is not the game of soccer. It is a mini game.

And I will stand on that hill forever. It's an awful, it is an entertaining way, but an unfair way to crown a champion. That's my point. I'm with you. If you're worried about the timing going that long, and mind you, this is the championship game. They're not playing games after for the World Cup. Just make it golden goal.

Just make it sudden, like the next goal wins. We played extra time. It tied. We're going to play this game until next goal wins. So there's your fix. Pretty simple. Okay. Here's the next one.

What's up, Connor and Trevor. This is fellow six, four to 40 behemoth. Micron nation. Big fan of the show. Obviously you guys know that apologies for my, for my voice.

I've been battling a cold, but I wanted to know what you guys think about the NFL's playoff structure and whether or not there could be changes going forward. Looking at this year, the NFC South is a complete and total joke where no one wants to win it and someone could win it with seven wins. And we've seen in years past, past, you know, two years ago with the Washington football team winning at the NFC least at seven and nine, or when the Seahawks made the playoffs at seven and nine or teams are making

the playoffs at eight and eight, eight and nine. Could you see the NFL going to a system similar to the NBA where winning your division doesn't guarantee a home playoff spot? Or in the NBA's case, doesn't even guarantee you a playoff spot in general? And just the top teams in each conference or the top seven teams in each conference make the playoffs. And then you just have to be in that top that top seven rather than guaranteeing a playoff spot for a team that frankly doesn't deserve it take care shout out mike shout him out all right what do you think i think i think he's on to something i maybe it's just because it's this year but i feel like we do have a couple of these every now and then.

It's... I mean, it's just garbage, right? Like, why... The reason I say it's garbage is... How can you seriously have a team left out or a team, you know, kind of bamboozled and then have a team in... A team in a team. Had to salute,

had to salute our first responders there. I heard the first responders in Hoboken salute. I just, it's problematic, right? I think if it, but this is also an issue that you kind of get, I think expanded playoffs are maybe supposed to fix this. Cause it's like,

well, there's an extra wild card. So that division winner didn't really take the spot of an expanded team. But I still think it's a bad product when you have a division that had a winner. I mean, Trevor, if a team makes the playoffs and goes 7-10 this year. When, brother? When? That's extremely problematic.

You tell me the Bucs are going to win more than one game? Who do they got the rest of the year? It doesn't matter. They've got themselves. That's the ultimate man is down bad. Trevor, they played the Cardinals, the Panthers, and the Falcons. Okay. You say the Panthers and the Falcons.

Like the Bucs are in any way, shape, or form better than either of those two teams. Somebody's got to win the NFC South, baby. But to the question, can nobody win it? Can we just kind of line them all up together? You like the divisions. I don't like the divisions. I see what Mike is saying. The problem is that the NFL is never going to get rid

of it because you're right you're right you look you look at two years ago two years ago the year that the bucks won the super bowl they started that playoff run in washington because the bucks were a wild card team they started that in washington against taylor heineke and it was a five point game going down to the wire in the fourth quarter. And that was only the case because the game was in Washington. The NFL is not going to lose that, right? I mean, you go back to the Seattle game against the New Orleans Saints, the Beastquake game, right? Like, you lose that moment if you don't give teams the opportunity

to be the ultimate Cinderella's. So that's why I don't think the NFL is going to take getting to host a playoff game away from divisions. I wish that they would say, okay, if you win your division, you are guaranteed to be in the playoffs, but you're not guaranteed to host a playoff game. That to me would be more fair. But again, I don't think they're going to get rid of it

because we've seen too many wild upsets that then get played on NFL Network and get played on SportsCenter and get played on social media again and again and again and again because it was the improbable who would have thought. And the NFL is just never going to get rid of that. So, I mean, you look at the NBA and I don't I don't I'm not going to pretend to be the biggest nba fan i don't really pay attention but like those play-in games and the the the like no one cares i feel like i feel like nobody cares about that stuff anyways and even in the first round of the playoffs i feel like nobody really cares about it so i don't know how much you fix it maybe i'm an idiot maybe you guys can hit me up and be like actually trev it's really great and i'll be like hey i concede cool no yeah but uh that's i don't know that's just the way that i look at it i don't think it's ever gonna change hi guys it's george from england here massive fan of the show really appreciate all your takes and opinions been

following trevor well not literally i'm probably not a stalker, since he was at Pewter Report. I'm also a huge Gator and Bucks fan. I know there's not been much talk about it, but where do the Bucks go next season? I really can't see how Brady wants to come back, given how atrocious this season's been. So what really should we do? Is it worth trading off some of the assets

and not just go for a bit of a rebuild? Do we maybe go after a vetting quarterback, maybe like jimmy g and pray that we can go for next year or do we draft someone like anthony richardson hope that the main man force was in the draft uh and again that's assuming that the coaching staff is still here which is not a given and to be honest i don't think there really should be especially not on the offense side of things for the so many questions around this team and i really appreciate your guys takes to get the best in the business all right take care thank you what a lad shout out the kind words thank you george appreciate it um look i think this conversation uh gets a lot different depending

on who wins the nfc south right we figured that it's going to be the buccaneers because they have a game one game lead but right now they're sitting here six and eight and they're picking 19th overall that's a lot different than the uh three teams that are not in first place right now which are then picking seventh eighth and ninth so the bucks could flip from having a number 19 overall pick to a top 10 pick depending on if they win the division so i think what they would do a quarterback changes a lot depending on where they finish the division. So I think what they would do a quarterback changes a lot, depending on where they finish. I'm with George on a couple of things. One,

I cannot see this offensive coaching staff still being around next year. So I think that is a new offensive coaching staff. Not so sure. They fire Todd Bowles. We've talked about this before. I don't think Brady's back next year. It just wouldn't really make sense to me why Brady would come back. Unless there is some sort of reason to believe in this team that I can't see

right now. It's hard to think that if he runs it back, even with a healthy Ryan Jensen, even with a healthy Tristan Wirfs, even with a healthy, I don't know, rest of the team, whatever,

Shaq Barrett, plenty of guys like that, that it's going to really make that big of a difference that he thinks that they can make a Super Bowl run. Maybe, but I would find that hard to believe. I think it's more realistic that he retires. And I think that it's most realistic that if they win the division, they're not taking a quarterback. They're probably going to roll with Kyle Trask.

They're probably going to lose a lot of football games. And they're probably going to be picking in the top 10 of the draft next year. So you go for a quarterback. They're probably going to roll with Kyle Trask. They're probably going to lose a lot of football games. And they're probably going to be picking in the top 10 of the draft next year. So you go for a quarterback then. That's my view of it right now. I mean, what better place to hear it from? Trevor, you obviously have a good read on this team. And what blew my mind throughout that rant is that the other three teams in the division that are separated

by one win the bucks have six wins these teams have five is that the falcons panthers and saints pick seven eight and nine you're 100 right it is just it is beyond up in the air let me ask you this would you rather the bucks win the division make the, don't really go anywhere in the playoffs, or just lose the division and pick in the top 10? I would rather them win the division. I would honestly rather them win the division. I know that might be crazy to some people, but the reason why I say that is because you only have Tom Brady as your quarterback for so long.

I'm not going to wish for losses with Tom Brady. That makes sense you know like yeah you win the division you win the division you host a playoff game i mean let's even say it's against the dallas cowboys i mean like the bucks have had a cowboy's number it feels like so it's like maybe you win that game maybe a good a good second round matchup who knows it's just i'm i get why it certainly would be advantageous if they don't win the division and they pick in the top 10 they could potentially hit on this quarterback class i get it certainly would be advantageous if they don't win the division and they pick in the top 10, they could potentially hit on this quarterback class. I get it.

That would accelerate the next thing, but to sit here and go, Oh, let's, we can't wait to move on from Tom Brady. I'm just not there, man. I would rather,

I'd rather, I'd rather hope that they get wins. You got Tom Brady, your team. I'm not going to hope for losses. So that's where I am with it. All right. Hey, Connor, Trevor, Andrew here, big sex addict. year team i'm not going to hope for losses so that's where i am with it all right hey connor

trevor andrew here big sex addict i have a take that i need your help with braxton jones for the bears has actually been pretty good so do they take a tackle in this class? I don't know. What do you think, guys? Thanks. Braxton Jones has been good. Yeah. I think the question with the Bears, though, to me is always bigger than just Braxton. You know what I mean?

Like, this is a line that I think has a lot of questions. It's a great point, though, to bring up. Like, if Braxton Jones is the future left tackle, you know, what do we have to do um you need a right tackle the future do you think it goes back do you let's say the bears aren't picking two do you take skoranski with a top this is something you kind of alluded to earlier trevor with a top seven-ish pick because you love his versatility to play on the inside or maybe you can get him to kick over to right tackle and you just make the line better yes right yeah it's it's

that one that that's what i would be doing uh i'm looking at right i'm looking at because riley reef is their one-year deal yeah he's their uh right tackle right now he's on a one-year deal and he's he's 34 years old. Didn't Tevin get hurt? Didn't Tevin hurt his back again? Tevin did recently get hurt, yeah. I actually didn't check up on the severity of that. I just know that he left the game.

So I'm seeing from an hour ago, neck injury. I remember when he left, I thought it was back. And I remember there was some medical concerns with him coming into that trap. That was part of the reason he slid. So I'm just trying to warn Bears fans, don't put all the eggs in the Tevin basket long-term. No, but Tevin was playing better at guard anyways. So you have your right guard anyway.

Tevin's a guard for you anyways. I'd still be picking, well, look, if the Bears are picking at two, I'm not taking Skronski at two. No, you're taking Jalen Carter or Will Anderson. Right. But if you want to trade back, if somebody wants to trade up to go give you a quarterback, then you're sitting there at the back end of the top 10, then yes, I'm fully comfortable taking an offensive lineman there.

You still need the offensive line to be better than it's been in Chicago. So that's how I would flesh out that take. Okay. We got a couple more here. Hang tight. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Here we go. Hey, how's it going y'all? I just turned 18 today. That's right. I'm a barely legal sex addict. Thank you to y'all. My question is regarding the Houston Texans with their number one overall pick

and i think that it should be bryce young but i don't think that it should be 100 obvious what every single mock draft is saying i don't think it should be quite chalk i think especially on the defensive side of the ball this roster for the houston texans is absolute garbage and And I think that drafting a Will Anderson and then like another cornerstone piece with the Browns pick, which is looking like it's going to be top 10 with how bad Deshaun Watson looked. I think that drafting a couple of cornerstone pieces

on the defensive side of the ball and then running it back with another bad team in 2024 and then taking a Caleb Williams kind of player would be a better way to maximize like that rookie quarterback contract so what do y'all think I still think it should be Bryce Young but I think there's a conversation to be had there thank you number one well happy birthday number one happy birthday indeed incredible voicemail and i mean in all seriousness actually like an incredible point of start to finish it's i mean talk about coming in with a bang and then actually asking a great question while also kind of shitting on deshaun watson in the middle of it like this this young King just had the hat trick of voicemails.

So with that being said, I mean, Trevor, it's, that's exactly it. Like there's a convert. It's December. It feels very chalky that Bryce Young is number one overall.

I mean, understandably. So he's the favorite on the betting markets. He's the most mock drafts, but it's not a given it's not a given and we don't know how the texans will view any of the quarterbacks and we i think you and i are pretty confident a quarterback's not going to be our number one player in our big boards on this draft probably not probably not there's there's obviously a lot of shape to get, but I agree with you.

Yeah. So what do you think? I mean, we had a little mini version of this conversation at the show, but it was different with Jordan Love. Well, but I think that kind of goes to what that voicemail was saying is that it's like, hey, there's other options. The voicemail was saying it shouldn't just be chalk, that it's Bryce Young and nothing else.

Like there's a lot of creativity that the Texans could have. And I agree with that completely. We were able to kind of explore a little bit of an idea earlier in the podcast, so we don't have to dig into that too much again. But there's going to be other quarterbacks out there that could be, I don't totally want to say like stopgap quarterbacks, but like there's other options. The one area that I would push back on is saying like,

oh, you know, like let's, let's, let's be bad and maybe go for a Caleb Williams next year. Okay. There's a lot of teams in the NFL. They're going to want Caleb Williams next year.

There's one team that's going to get them. And they're probably going to be picking number one overall. So are you going to be bad enough again to be picking number one overall next year i'm not so sure that's a fact so if you're nick casario why are you willing to risk that sure yeah well and that's the point all of this can nick casario afford to not take a quarterback number one overall with his job on the line that's are you just gonna sit like it's it's truly you know what or get off the pot time you can't just lose every year and say well i only took davis mills so i what chance have i really had it's like well you have to you do have to choose i find this argument with with scouts all the time

because scouts in the nfl love to rip apart players and i'm like i get what you're saying but at some point you have to actually select players like you can poke holes in every aspect of every single thing but if you just do that forever and i'm not saying this is what the voicemail is alluding to at all i'm totally off the rails here you have to take players eventually and nick casero is running out of time so i think politics job politics also playing the decision at number one i agree chris bowen has taken a quarterback though and he's still around and he his ass better take one this year yeah they better get one this year and i don't think it's probably going to be a good idea no depends how they get there i'm a choice they're sitting six they might be all right uh what do we got next? Last one. Okay, fun one. Okay.

Hey, guys. Quinn here. I had a question about fantasy football. I know that the fantasy football playoffs are upon us right now, and I'm assuming you guys are both fantasy football guys because you're in the sports media world. I was curious if you guys have any, like, fun rules you play with in your league that, you know, make the leagues more interesting that you recommend for other people?

I was also curious if you guys still have the time to play fantasy football as much anymore. I know you guys are both pretty busy. Yeah, I appreciate it. I still get fantasy football questions all the time from people. So glad we threw this one in there. Quinn's also gotten a couple of voicemails in. So I wanted to make sure that I got one of the Quinn voicemails. I, okay.

So I have two that I'll shout out. I was in a league that did this, doesn't do it anymore, but that's more because we just didn't have enough people to be super serious about it. It wasn't really because the concept didn't work. We have like a hybrid dynasty because i think the issue when you when you go dynasty versus redraft format is people be like oh like i love the idea of a dynasty and keeping players and building a team and like building a core but then there's no like excitement for like a redraft at the beginning of every football season. So we kind of did a hybrid of it where it was a three,

it was a three player keeper league where two of the players could be anybody, any position, any age, any experience, but then your third keeper had to be a rookie from the past season. So then, so then if you wanted to keep them again after that year, then they would have to take one of your normal spots. It would have to take one of the other players. And then that's just how it was every year. That was, that was actually a lot of fun. I really enjoyed that one. And then the only other one that I would say is this year this year we went crazy on the format and we wanted to give owners total control so our starting lineup was one quarterback

one running back one wide receiver and then i think it was one tight end as well so it was one of each and then six flex spots oh my god you could play whoever you want you could draft as many wide receivers as you wanted you could draft as many running backs as you wanted you could draft as many tight ends as you wanted and it's just build your team however you want and it was actually kind of fun so that's awesome i love that it's kind of fun i'm not gonna lie how many leagues are you in total uh four this year two i'm in four i'm in two dynasty and two redrafts i used to be in like nine yep so to point i have cut down i left i left a league from where i grew up uh they were not very happy about it and i part of it was I didn't really like the league itself,

but I needed to cut back, so that's the one I chose. You and I are in a Dynasty League together before we ever started this show. We are indeed. For those that don't know, the Fantasy Playbook League run by Kyle Yates. Shout out, Kyle. It is quite the league.

It's the Dynasty League. It's me, you, Kyle, Solak uh brett coleman brandon thorn austin gale there's all kinds of people in this league it's yeah ben wanted the first year and it pissed me off he did win that's right it's very it's a very new league this is only year two of the league yeah he won in the first year and it pissed me i lost in the first round of the play he cheated somehow i don't know how i don don't know how, Ben, but I'm going to figure it out. I will find you. And I'm going to figure it out.

Literally, he probably will find Solak. So I'm in that. I'm in another dynasty league that's only one year older. So these are only two and three-year-old leagues. And then I'm only in two redrafts. I'm in a redraft that is my college redraft. It's been going on for over 10 years. Because i think we did it our freshman year sophomore year and then i'm in

the show i do for fantasy football at nbc we have a league it's like 16 teams yeah because everybody that works on the show is in the league you're playing you're playing guys that are getting like eight snaps not even even eight touches. Yeah, it's pretty. It goes pretty bare bones when you have an injury. So, I mean, fantasy is awesome. It's you do have to. And then the only other sport I do, I do one fantasy baseball league that I've been in for a very long time.

That is, I can't do it. That's kind of like what you outlined. It's two keepers. It's very intense. It's a ton of time. A ton of time. I actually put more time into that than I think anything in fantasy or gambling or anything that I've ever done. Because the stakes are also pretty good for that.

But in any of the leagues, we don't have any of the rules. I did. I think the best thing I did, though. So we have rivals in the fantasy baseball league that's how it's how long it's gone so there's there's a rivalry week nice so uh in this fantasy league there's people like all across the country because we've just moved and stuff i bought a cameo uh from bob nightingale the mlb reporter to talk shit to my rival after i beat him and i i wrote the gist of the script and then bob actually added some spice to it and it did a great job uh yeah i mean that's the greatest

and then i said we have a group we have a very active group me because this league operates like it's 2014 all the time and i dropped it in the group me that's pretty that is that is that is fantasy sports yeah cameo finest it can't a rightly timed cameo in a fantasy league is the ultimate if you have a good group chat it's the ultimate i never even thought about before that's great do you guys have like a punishment for any of your leagues no so we've tried to come up with one in the college the redraft league for football because we're all like really good friends uh but dude once people move it's really hard it's really hard because you have people that you know we don't live around each other anymore and then it's like how do you you don't want to

also like do the punishments that everyone does like i don't want to send somebody to a waffle house there's also i live in the northeast we don't have waffle house what are you gonna send you to the mcdonald's i guess but i don't even want to do that i know waffle house rocks i it is a problem up here but yeah it's um do you guys do a punishment no i'm trying to think of the last last punishment we had. We used to have a last place trophy that you would get sent. I like that. But yeah, that's all I got.

I can't think of other punishments that we've gotten. I do think the punishment that has gotten decently famous where there are 13 people in a 12 person league and every year at the draft the person who sat out the year before picks who they are replacing and the champion is the only one who is safe that's diabolical so then you have a whole year where you you're not playing fantasy football and they do this at the draft so you prep for the

face football draft you're super pumped for it you're going you're like oh hell yeah this is awesome and then if you get picked you're not playing fantasy football for an entire year in that league dude this probably ruins friendships. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see people getting really pissed about that. Yeah, yeah. I've never heard of that. I feel like he's gotten decently popular. Oh, man.

I would love to come up with something. Actually, this is the perfect thing to ask the YouTube comments today or tweet at us. If you have a unique punishment, what is it? Because I always love to hear them. And I think the only ones you ever read about is the Waffle House. You clearly read about that punishment, what is it? Because I always love to hear them. And I think you only read like the only ones you ever read about is like the Waffle House. You clearly read about that one, which is unreal. I would love to come up with something really, really unique that you could do if you're in a league where you don't like live in the same neighborhood.

For everybody that doesn't know the Waffle House punishment, the Waffle House punishment for fantasy football is you have to be in a waffle house for 24 hours but for every waffle you eat it is an hour off of your time that you have to be at the walk house so that's that's that's the way that it goes you can keep or you can eat them as fast as you want you can keep well some people are like oh you can only eat like three per hour yeah you're oh they make a rule i just think people i just think the stomach cannot handle waffle house waffles you you will eventually run out of gas a lot no 100 so like yeah you're you're in that waffle house or you won't run out of gas for a long time that's a good point you're in that waffle house for the entire day it's just uh you know you're trying at night well you're trying to get you're trying to get out. Well, you're trying to get out before night.

But that's a lot of waffles. It's not as cool as it sounds. People always think, and I've been at Waffle Houses at some weird hours of the night. I would not want to be there for 16. I was reading a testimony, I called it a testimony, of somebody who did the Waffle House Challenge. And they were like, yeah, I got chocolate chip waffles. What are you doing putting toppings on it? You fool.

No, you're an idiot. What? You're just an idiot. What? You don't make the test harder. No. Look, you're not putting butter on it. You're not putting chocolate on it.

You literally dunk them in water. Yes. You Joey Chestnut it. It's you Joey Chestnut this thing thing you are up at coney island you are facing the crowd kobayashi like this is that you're not there to enjoy the experience you are in hell you need to claw and scratch and water waffle your way out of this thing you think joey chestnut enjoys eating 73 hot dogs in one minute? No. Does Joey Chestnut put relish and mustard and ketchup? Can you imagine that?

Perfectly. He has the bun. And he's like, okay, 72 more chocolate chip waffles. Throw up. Probably had two and was like, oh, no. I'm going to be here until Christmas Eve. Yeah, my dog hates in the background. Can't believe that there would be such logic.

If you guys can hear him barking. All right. We'll get out of here so I can. Yeah, we're done. That was good. If I can let him out. He's got to pee anyways uh thank you guys for listening to the show that was a lot of fun everybody who got in on the voicemails we appreciate you a ton keep sending them in we would love to do this as much as possible speakpipe.com backslash nflse is where you can record all your voices and and be able to get on the show um it's a great way for you guys to stay connected and it's a great way for us to uh truly call this podcast a community let us know what you thought about our takes for the 2023 nfl draft order some of the scenarios that we came up with let us know

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we'll give you our top five as well as a handful of players that are rounding out our top tens as well. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers. Thank you guys so much for listening to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. We'll see you next time.