NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 128. Updated 2023 Draft Order (Post Week 16)

Episode Date: December 28, 2022

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you the updated first round draft order of the 2023 NFL Draft after week 16 in the NFL

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode we're updating the 2023 NFL draft order with just two weeks left to go in the regular season getting a little bit dicey for who's going to pick number one overall not quite a change but could be a change coming soon.

We're reordering the top five, the top 10, the top 20, giving you a little bit of a spontaneous mock draft for the top five. A couple of dream hauls for teams like the Houston Texans, teams like the Seattle Seahawks that have multiple first round picks, and then just talking about a lot of team needs and potential prospect team fits throughout the top 20 of the 2023 NFL Draft. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers.

Coming to you immediately after we recorded the previous podcast. But Connor, as you'll notice, I changed sweatshirts and put on a hat because I'm committed to the bit. And if you noticed, one of my lights went out behind me as soon as we were done recording the other one. And I'm not changing it so it looks like a different day i'm not getting up on the ladder and doing the the skylight the uh hi-hat bulb right now we're just doing the pot i was joking to trevor that i look like a legit youtuber where the set background is really dark all the lights on me uh so we'll roll with that but yes we have fooled everybody this is a brand new day, a brand new show. Very narcissistic lighting of you, Connor.

Yes, it's all about me. It's not about anything behind me or in front of me. We're obviously having fun here on the show as we are going to through the next, I don't know, 45-ish minutes, updating the 2023 NFL draft order. We do this every single week in the middle of the week podcast. But Connor, it feels like we have a lot of new storylines for this one. Maybe not completely changing at the top, but things are getting very close, right?

We'll start with the Houston Texans. Houston Texans at number one overall. They've been at number one overall for, oh, I don't even know how many weeks, what, 10, 11 weeks now? So haven't had a ton to talk about there, but, my friend, they won this past weekend. They beat the Tennessee Titans, which means they get one more win. They're sitting here at 2-12-1.

The Chicago Bears right on their heels at 3-12, picking number two overall. So I know that we're going to talk about that a little bit, but still have the Seattle Seahawks picking at number three because of the Denver Broncos. Shoot, they just fired Nathaniel Hackett, so maybe they'll get the interim head coach boost over the next two weeks, but certainly looks like Seattle's going to be picking in the top five regardless. Arizona Cardinals, because of their loss this past weekend,

they're also four and 11. They're picking number four overall. Colts at number five. Atlanta's at six. Detroit via the Los Angeles Rams at number seven. Carolina's sitting there at eight. Vegas is at nine. And the Philadelphia Eagles round out the top 10.

We'll get into the rest of the order in a little bit. But Connor, where do you want to start today as we kind of open up this conversation about what the NFL draft is looking like for 2023? I think it's a good time to start with the number one overall pick and discuss the scenario of what if the Texans sneak out one more win and what if the

Bears don't win another game right I think and I think it's a fair conversation because the Bears travel to Detroit and then they host the Vikings obviously two tough outs and let's just be real the Bears are not haven't been winning games, right? Like it's, they're. They've been close. They have been. They've been competitive. There's no denying that. But, okay, so they, they got smoked by the Bills. They lost a close one to the Eagles.

They lost the Green Bay. They got smoked by the Jets. They lost the Falcons in a close one. They lost the Lions by a point. So maybe that game will be a lot closer than I personally expected. But the point is say the bears do and bears fans are probably like sign me up we'll take the number one overall pick right for two more losses they're like we're not offended the texans it gets a little more

interesting as you pointed out to me on the what matters most show trevor but the texans wins was against jacksonville they play jacksonville sund But more importantly, they play the Nick Foles-led Colts. Vaunted. To end the season. Vaunted. Let's say the Texans finish 3-13-1. The Bears ultimately finish 3-14. The Bears pick number one.

I'll throw it to you like this, Trevor. How does that change the beginning of the NFL draft? Massively, right? Because I don't think it necessarily changes the conversation of what these teams might be picking, right? I think they're going for different things. Chicago Bears are not going to be selecting a quarterback in this upcoming draft they have justin field so whether that'd be a shocker two three whatever it is they're not going to take

a quarterback i'd be very shocked if they took a quarterback it feels like houston is but we've even talked here before on this show bryce young's not going to be for everybody. He's a much smaller, I'll say compact quarterback who has a lot of really exciting film, and he's truly just a natural at the position that is so fun to watch, so fun to root for. And I feel like there are going to be plenty of teams that love him, but there's going to be plenty of teams that if they're threshold heavy, might not consider Bryce Young as high as his talent and his success over the last couple of years would definitely warrant.

So then if you're the Bears, I bring up another conversation that we've had a number three overall pick, is a lot different than getting to say, the number one overall selection in this draft is for sale. Come and get it. Take any player you want in this entire draft class. If you think Jalen Carter is the next Warren Sapp, kind of an interior penetrator, unreal dude, come and get him. If you think Will Anderson is the next great pass rusher in this league, come and get him. And then, of course, if you want Will Levis, if you want Bryce Young, if you want CJ Stroud, whoever it is that might be in contention

for that number one quarterback spot in this year's class, come and get them. Don't risk it. Don't sit behind any team. Don't wait for another team to move up to come get a quarterback. Come get them. And I just feel like the price and the conversation of saying, we will trade you number one overall only benefits the Chicago Bears even more for the price that it could be for a team to move up

to go and get their guy. It changes everything in a sense that you could see a full-fledged auction for the number one overall pick. Now, what I will counter with is, unless it's a pick flip with Houston to get back up to one to be assured they get the quarterback that they want. I can make an argument that Chicago could just sit right there and take Will Anderson. Honestly, with the state of this defense right now and the need of a star player on that defense for for Matt Eberflus. I know they're going to have to take every call,

as they should. They will have to see if somebody will meet an absurd price to come up to number one. And if they get this war chest of draft picks, then sure. But I think it's a fine line, Trevor, of passing on that kind of talent, who I think is the best player in the draft Will Anderson

I really do and that's still a great place for Chicago to be to come out of this draft and go because let's be real we aren't positive that Houston at number one is going to pass on Will Anderson as you've said before and we've said they might not like levis or bryce or cj stroud or might not love them maybe they get into the veteran quarterback market let's not forget nick casario was in new england when jimmy g was there and i'm not saying jimmy g's the plan but i'm saying you never know maybe they go we'll go get a jimmy g we'll go get a Jimmy G. We'll go get a Derek Carr. Something like that. And we'll ride this out with a veteran at quarterback because we want to take the best player in the draft in Will Anderson.

If you're Chicago, all the fears of that are gone, and you get them. So it's a big deal. It's a really big deal how this ends for these two teams. And then the fun really gets started after that point of the draft because i think the player pool becomes a little bit more tightly knit together is the last time that is the last time a team traded up for number one overall the 20 or the 2001 draft for vick no it'd be goth oh Oh, right. There was Goff. I was trying to think of who it would have been most recently,

and it was. It was Goff. Because my head was immediately going way too far back. I totally forgot about the Goff trade. Yeah, because what was the package in the Goff trade? I'll pull it up right now. Okay, because I think I want to see the details next. That was the Titans that had the number one pick, right?

I believe so yes the the rams traded up in the first round and acquired the first pick from the tennessee titans yes um oh it'd be great if the actual trade was here i have to go to the don't you love that love that i was thinking because i was thinking about it the eli manning trade technically doesn't count i got it because it was because manning had already been drafted but then i have that trade detail up it was philip rivers which is the fourth pick the first pick in the third round that year later in the draft and then a first round pick the next year and then a fifth round pick the next year uh in order to get eli manning so technically they traded for the guy who was drafted number one overall but but it was like an NBA trade. Yeah, because Archie wouldn't let Eli go to the Chargers.

Right, right, right, which is phenomenal. You should go back and watch the drama of that. What was the price? What was the price of the golf trade? So this year we both had the number one and number two pick traded. I remember this was one of my first, this is like my third year bleacher report and i remember covering it live so the chargers came up to tennessee's number one pick tennessee traded the number one overall pick their fourth and sixth round picks which were 113 and 177

so a one so a one four and a six one four and. Yep. To the Rams. For the Rams' first round pick, two second rounders. So these picks were 15, 43, 45, and a third round pick that year. So they got 15, 43, 45, 76, as well as the Rams' first and third round selections in the next draft, 2017. Okay, and that was to move how many spots? 15 to 1. That's a lot. That's a lot. 15 to 1's a lot.

Now, can you argue... Oh, I can always argue, but go on. That it all worked out because not only did they get to a Super Bowl with Goff, but they made him part of the package that they flipped for Stafford that won them the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah. However you want to slice it, the Jared Goff trade was worth it.

However you want to slice it. It was worth it. Now, one that was not. That draft, the Eagles, well, this is also an interesting one too the eagles came up to the browns number two selection the browns traded that pick and a conditional fifth that year that eventually was upgraded uh i think to a fourth to philly in exchange for Philly's first round, third round and fourth round selections, as well as Philly's first and second round pick the following year.

First rounder was 2017. Second rounder was 2018. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They stay a little more complicated. That one. Sure.

For Wentz. For Wentz. That one. That one. complicated that one sure for wentz for wentz that one that one they won a super bowl no no no no no no no no no no you can't do that no we can't do that we cannot do that he's calling time out i'm calling time out on this one i know that wentz was having an mvp caliber season year, but they won it after he got hurt, and they won it with Nick Foles. Who all plays into

this year's draft? Because he plays the Texans the final week of the season. It's all about Nick Foles, people. It's all about Nick Foles. This microphone is Nick Foles. We're just rotating around Nick Foles. He's the NFL globe. He is. He is. We're just rotating around Nick Foles. He's the NFL globe. He is.

He is. We're all just revolving around his gravitational pull. No, that was very interesting because there's just not a lot of instances where teams will trade up to number one overall. I feel like it's such a vaunted proposition. There's just so much weight to it. Trading up to the very first pick in the draft. You have your pick of anyone.

Could be any player. And I just think that that ultimately puts a premium on it. And it's clear that no matter how far you were jumping up, where were the Eagles that year? Do you remember? I don't remember off the top of my head. Where were the Eagles picking to move up to number two? I think 17. Because the Rams moved up from yeah that sounds that does sound about right right in the middle of

the pack because the rams moved up to obviously 14 spots and the eagles moving up 15 spots they were eighth oh i thought they were a lot further down i thought they were too they were eighth okay so it seems like the asking price really isn't going to change too much. You look at teams that could possibly move up to number one, right? I'm just kind of brainstorming in my head right now. Chicago's sitting at one. Houston's sitting at two. Let's say that that's the case.

I mean, even if you're Arizona or Indianapolis, you've got to give up multiple ones. Yeah. You've got to give up one this year. And that's only dropping to number four or number five. I feel like no matter what, I feel like in today's NFL draft, you really can't even get up into the top three without talking about multiple first-round picks,

even as far as four or five. Do you agree? I totally agree. So if Chicago's sitting there at number one and calls up, I mean, Arizona probably wouldn't do it, but Indianapolis is sitting there at number five. And all Chicago has to do is go down to number five, a deal that I feel like Chicago would take.

You're still saying, okay, you're going to have number five overall this year and you're gonna have a first round pick next year now you're probably not gonna get you know the condiments or the dressing on top of the third round pick the fifth round pick all that stuff that you get later in the draft i think indian apples will tell you no no no we're giving we're giving you two first round picks yeah you can get oh yeah you can screw off with the other stuff, but I do still feel like it would take two first-round picks for him. I wouldn't be shocked.

Yeah. Wow. Well, back to your point about the contenders to go up to one. Colts at five. Yep. Atlanta at six. Yeah, if Atlanta really want... If it like if atlanta was said to themselves we want bryce young we've watched bryce young play in this building for us so much

sense you know like he's played at alabama he's already played big games the building like obviously a lot of people down south have watched plenty of bryce young over the last couple years at alabama would atlanta who is sitting six, give up their first rounder this year, first rounder next year to go up and get Bryce? Yeah, they should. I think you probably do. Keep in mind, too, when you're making trades and decisions like this, ownership comes into play so often and arthur blank i think is the no-brainer like

guy that would sign off on that kind of move i think it ignites the fan base you have the local connection of bryce playing for the falcons arthur smith's going into year three it's you know poop or get off the pot time at quarterback. I don't think Arthur Smith wants to go down with Desmond Ritter. You'd love if Desmond Ritter develops into the guy, but you don't want to make that your one swing.

The Falcons make a hell of a lot of sense to me. Sitting at six, they definitely do. Sitting at six. What's the Falcons remaining schedule? Who do they play this week coming up well they play the cardinals oh my god dude we have a toilet bowl dude it's huge this game's huge massive falcons are sitting at the fourth overall pick or sorry falcons are sitting there at six and the cardinals sitting there at four yeah oh my goodness it's huge and then they uh then the falcons end the year by hosting

the tampa bay buccaneers which could be no guarantees god damn writers no guarantees carolina's in their day carolina's in a very interesting spot at number eight right because for as well as the team is performing, they still need a quarterback no matter what. And I was, I got kind of nervous because on Sunday, I was thinking about scenarios for the Carolina Panthers. And I was like, oh, no. Are they going to convince themselves they might be like okay with Arnold? Like if they really go in. But I forgot that he's a free agent.

So you're not really extending that olive branch, I don't think, to Sam Darnold at all. I think both of them are going to move on there no matter what. But things do kind of get tricky if you're Carolina, because Carolina needs what? Quarterback 100%. And an owner that really wants one. Remember, they were in on Deshaun Watson.

They made a big trade for Sam Darn yep they traded for baker mayfield you have an ownership situation that's obsessed with figuring it out they're picking eight right now but they play the tampa bay buccaneers this weekend and whoever wins that game goes to first place oh my god carolina would go from picking number eight in the draft to picking number 20. And Tampa, and Tampa, I think would go down to number 10 or nine, I guess wouldn't be.

If Carolina wins the division, they probably bring back Sam Donald next year because you can still draft someone, but like you have to have a veteran on the roster going into next year. Because you're not even picking in a range close. So go with the guy that you know. I think if you're Carolina, you're... Carolina really does hold a lot of power in this NFL draft.

Because they desperately need a quarterback if they're going to be within range of one. Carolina really does hold a lot of power in this NFL draft because up and down, they desperately need a quarterback. If they're going to be within range of one, I will just say that there is Bryce young, Will Levis, CJ Stroud, and I'm going to throw Anthony Richardson in there. I'm with you.

I think those four quarterbacks go in the top 20 could very well be top 15. We'll see how things kind of shake out we'll learn a lot more about what the nfl really thinks of these guys when we get to the senior bowl get to have some conversations go to go to the combine have some conversations there we learn a lot more about what the league really thinks these guys then but i'll just say that i think all four of those guys are gone before pick 20 if carolina is sitting there and they're picking it like 19 or 20 they're on the fringe of. There's no guarantee that they still have that opportunity to pick one of those guys.

So if you're at 20, does Carolina all of a sudden become one of those teams that is in on Jimmy G, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, dare I say, Lamar Jackson. Well, we know they'll go for big fish, but I just don't know.

Baltimore just can't. That presents an interesting opportunity in, I wouldn't say opportunity, I guess I'd say situation in Carolina because I think there are a lot of Panthers fans that love what Steve Wilks is doing. But does he win you too many games to get out of drafting a quarterback does he does does he is is it potential that the Carolina Panthers could be in QB purgatory if they end up making the playoffs because that's tough too yeah they got the Saints at the end of the year so even if they lost the Bucs I still think they beat the Saints. Yeah, they could beat the Saints.

I feel like you tack on another win. But if they beat the Saints, then the Saints right now are 6-9. The Carolina Panthers are 6-9. I still think Carolina's probably picking around 10. Yeah, that's not good for them. Wow. I mean, I guess if they lose two, then they could potentially be six, something like that.

The quarterback volatility in this draft, the Texans, I'll go with the really safe ones. I won't include the Seahawks because I think they just signed Geno. The Texans, the Colts, the Falcons. I won't even include the Lions. The Panthers, the Raiders, the Titans, which I don't really think that, but you never know. That's six teams in the top 13.

New England at 14. That's seven. The Jets at 15, who are definitely going to go for a veteran, but still are in the quarterback. I'm counting free agency with the draft. How many, you know, the game of musical chairs. That's eight teams in the top 15 that have quarterback, like, variants going into the offseason.

And I didn't count some pretty big ones. All right, can I do a spontaneous off the top of my head top five mock draft right here? Please, let it rip. All right. Bryce Young still at one. Okay. Will Anderson goes two to Chicago. Jalen Carter goes three to Seattle Seahawks.

Brian Brzee goes four to the Arizona Cardinals. We haven't been off the path yet. Number five is really easy. And, of course, Will Levis is already a Colt. He's already a Colt. He's been a Colt for months. You heard it on this podcast first. It's the bit.

It's the bit that's going to become true at the end of April. Will Levis is already a Colt. Doesn't even have to change colors for his team. There we go. That was off the top of my head, spontaneous. I almost went with Tyree wilson at number four because it feels like the nfl is it feels like the people who are plugged into guys who are in the league really like tyree wilson yeah he's going high i don't know brother i don't know brother we did the we did the edge rush episode if you guys didn't listen to that, go back and listen to it.

I lay out why I am concerned about Tyree Wilson, but it seems as though the NFL really believes that this guy is just truly a rare mold that you have to bet on. And that part of it, I'll agree with. I think he's a ways away from being a difference-making NFL player. But I almost thought about him at number four. I mean, I liked him, and I still have him at edge four. Right. And I liked him, but I think Will Anderson, Jared Burris,

and Miles Murphy are all better prospects than Tyree Wilson. Yeah. I thought there was actually a pretty good gap from those three. Yes. Yes. I would certainly agree. Clearly, I think I had Tyree Wilson as like edge seven. And we didn't even do D tackles yet.

I can already tell you I'm going to be very high on Brazee. He is another one who is just like built different, man. Totally. The size speed combo is pretty nuts. 100%. So I would have went Brazee at four all the way for Arizona, especially with JJ Watt out the door. Yeah.

They're going to have serious front seven needs. And I think it's a great pick for them. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to have offensive line needs as well. Like I especially, I especially think on the interior, but you're not,

I just don't think for as much as, for as much as you could say to yourself, all right, DJ Humphries, they like him at left tackle when he's healthy. Josh Jones has played well as a right tackle. It's fine. You could draft Peter Skowronski and you could say to yourself all right dj humphries they like him at left tackle when he's healthy uh josh jones has played well as a right tackle it's fine you could draft peter skronsky and you could play him on the interior and then kick him out to offensive tackle if you ever have that need over the next couple of years are you drafting a guard at four

doesn't seem like a great doesn't seem like a great uh proposition especially for i think whoever is going to be calling the shots in arizona because i don't think it's going to be this current regime but uh all right there we go which is good that's a good step forward that's that's a much needed step forward no matter what uh connor can i ask you a question please what if what if i told you that right now you could invest in Brian Brazee's stock as a player? I'd be buying. You'd be buying. And not short selling.

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Yep. 10 through 20 starts with the Philadelphia Eagles holding the Saints draft pick. Hilarious. 11 goes to the Texans. Undeniably hilarious. 11 goes to the Houston Texans via the Deshaun Watson trade for the Browns. So you got Eagles, Texans back to back 10 to 11. 12 is Seattle holding their original pick right now.

13 is the Titans. 14 is the Patriots. 15 is the Jets. 16 is the Steelers. 17 is the Green Bay Packers. 18 is the Detroit Lions. And then the two current playoff teams that are in the top 20, Jacksonville at 19 and the Bucs at 20.

Titans, man. Ooh. Jeez. What a fall from grace it feels like it's been for the Tennessee Titans. They've lost five in a row. Could end the year losing seven straight. I think the Titans play, was it the cowboys and the jags to end the season very well be seven and ten don't look now man titans could be picking in the top

ten yeah they could hang around eight or nine oh be brutal titans need a wide receiver badly they need a freaking offensive lineman, though, too. They do need offensive line. Real bad. I think if they are. If they're picking. In the top 10. They're going to go offensive line and they'll get the wide receiver on day two.

And I think you go get the wide receiver on day two. Yeah, I think that's probably the right strategy. They can't they can't start Dennisis daly next year they can't they gotta go get offensive line help i think it's gotta be offensive lineman yeah it's gotta be that could be that could be skronsky territory too for a guy that can kick inside outside because they also have problems on the inside. So I think that's where the offensive line run starts, with Tennessee in the top 10 if they get there.

You want to do a fun little exercise and talk dream halls for the Houston Texans and the Seattle Seahawks as it stands right now? Yeah. Okay. All right, so Houston's picking at one. And they're picking at 11. The dream haul for them? Keeping the picks, right?

Yes. Yes. So I won't go full draft Will Anderson and figure out quarterback elsewhere on you this week. Yeah. I feel like the dream pick is Bryce Young at one. Yep. I know my 11. I think I might say Jared Versa.

Yep. That's number 11. That's very realistic. It is realistic. That you get the quarterback in the future and you get a fantastic pass rusher that they need. They need. I know some people are going to be tempted to wide receiver. Some people are going to be tempted to say either Jordan Addison or Quinn

Johnson. I think they're within the conversation because Houston desperately needs a go-to difference maker in the passing game. Man. I hope John Metchie comes back and is ready to roll man from cancer. I know. I love, I love John Metchie. They really, man i hope john mechi comes back and is ready to roll man from cancer i know i love i love john mechi they really and obviously he caught the toughest break of anyone but that was a tough that was a tough blow for the texans i mean we said we get on here and say you know they got

no playmakers well the guy they took in the second round is battling cancer now yeah that's that's tough it is oh it is no it is i just i i certainly hope for so many people say first and foremost john metchie's that he's able to come back because i i i loved his early tape at alabama and i think i think that he could be a really good wide receiver two wide receiver three and a big time difference maker once they kind of fill out that wide receiver room in houston so would love for him to come back. So, all right. So Bryce Young, Jared Verstair, Seattle three and 12. I'll let you go first on this one. Seattle three and 12.

Who would be your, who would be, what would be your dream hall here? Jalen Carter at three. I would agree. I think it's got to be Jalen Carter at three. There's a couple of different directions they could go with 12. 12 gets super interesting. So Jamal Adams will be back next year. Yep.

They got young corn. You know what? Across from Tariq Wollin, I would think I would think Porter Gonzalez. Yeah, I think that's where I'm looking for this one. That's where I'm going too, man. They've done a really good job building and developing the offensive line.

You've got a stud running back for the future. They're deep at tight end. I know Will Disley just went on the IR today, but they're deep at tight end. They got Lockett under contract. They got DK there. You can get a third wide receiver in another day of the draft. You're going to re-sign Geno.

You added Jalen Carter to the front that needs a ton of help. You're set at safety. Jamal Adams and Diggs. It's got to be corner. It's got to be corner. It's got to be. I think corner's strong. Obviously, if Keely Ringo makes it 12, Cam Smith's in that conversation too,

I think, from South Carolina. I think they'd take one of the big guys. I think it would be Gonzalez or Porter. keely ringo makes it 12 cam smith's in that conversation too i think from south carolina i think they take one of the big guys i think it would be gonzalez or porter oh dude that'd be so much fun yeah it'd be awesome you tried out two mammoth corners dad be sick he's six two he's gonna run in the four threes kobe could play in the slot you can kick him around jo Joey Porter, 6'2". Not going to test like Gonzalez, but obviously he's great on playing the ball. Yeah, it's Jalen Carter in a corner.

Other one that I think about is maybe pass rusher, like if you wanted to double dip. Yeah, you still get an edge. Defensive line's not great. Now they drafted Boya Mafe, so Mafe's still there. Now, like, obviously, I think that Seattle would love Miles Murphy. Not so sure he lasts to 12. He will not be there.

Even in a dream scenario. Nolan Smith is somebody who I think of who they might like but would they want two more speed rushers on the outside because like I said you've got Moffay already would you want Nolan Smith knowing that he's a smaller edge rusher would you want something

different they're the team that takes Tyree yeah they would I don't think he actually makes it to 12 but they're the team that takes Tyree. Yeah, they would. I don't think he actually makes it to 12th, but they're the team that takes Tyree. They love that kind of player. He should make it to 12th.

He should. That's a much better landing spot than him going in the top eight. Yeah. So let's assume Will Anderson's gone. Yep. I'm just doing edges right now. Miles Murphy is gone, and Versus is probably gone. But could be there.

Could be there. But for the sake of the argument, let's take them three out of it right away. Yeah. The other team that takes Tyree Wilson. Probably. Probably. wilson probably probably oh by the way uh i watched i watched keon white from uh from georgia tech after the episode dude he's he's he's athletically gifted man i mean 290 yeah he i mean the dude knows how to move no doubt about it i will say this though. I don't, I don't want to be super harsh here when I say this. Uh,

the hand placement needs work. How about that? Yeah. How about, how about, did you say that? I mean, like there are times when he's going to punch and he literally like he,

like he misses the, he misses the chest. He misses the shoulder entirely. And he's just like, he's like missing. I just hit my headphones off. that's what that's what he would have done he would have missed your chest and hit your headphones there's sometimes when he is trying to you know hit the chest of these players and he's like hitting the helmet like he'll come up and he'll hit the helmet so which they'll call

you for in the nfl hand placement needs a ton of work, but Keyon White, who is the redshirt senior pass rusher from Georgia Tech, 6'5", 285, 290 at times, man. He's got a 7-foot-long wingspan. I mean, like, he's – dude, he – oh, no, sorry. That was – I was reading Tyree Wilson's on that last one, the 7-foot-long wingspan. That would be impressive, too. But, dude, he's just a physical specimen.

He knows how to bull rush. I think you used the term bull in a china shop with Keyon White. That probably would be impressive too. But dude, he's just a physical specimen. He knows how to bull rush. I think you used the term bull in a china shop with Keon White. That probably would be right. He's just erratic, but you just see the athleticism from him. He needs work, but his athletic profile is certainly something that's worth betting on. The reason why I brought him up is because we're talking about the Seahawks, and they wouldn't draft Keon White at 12 or anything, but somewhere on day two, I think the Seahawks would be a team

that would be definitely interested in him. This is, oh, he was on the Felden's Freak list, wasn't he? Probably. Wasn't he? I feel like he was. Yeah. White has hit 21 miles an hour despite being almost 300 pounds that's absurd he also has a vertical jump of 32 inches at almost 300 pounds and has done 38 reps of 225 on the bench man lives if you haven't watched him you definitely should

yeah and he you know he was a transfer from old dominion so he's um he's been ascending and really had his best season yet in college for georgia tech this year um let's see new england what's new england 14 quarterback i mean we going all in we going New England? What's New England? New England. 14. Quarterback? I mean... We going all in? We going all in with quarterback for New England? No, because I don't think anything will be here. Right? Anthony Richardson will be there. I don't see them doing that.

It's also tough to know when you don't even know who the hell is going to be coaching their offense yeah like does it do they I don't think McDaniels is getting fired so if you're an England fan hoping for that reunion I wouldn't count on it no Bill O'Brien's probably more likely I feel like that's more likely. Ooh. I like that. So Bill was there. I don't hate that. That kind of makes sense, right?

Did you just come up with that? No, no. I've seen a lot of people wondering, is that a logical solution to fix their offensive disaster? I think it totally is. I think it is. Yeah. Now, don't you feel like if they do that,

it feels more either one, rebuild Mac Jones, or two, sign Jimmy? Or three, hold your breath here, people. rebuild mac jones or to sign jimmy or three hold your breath here people one last run with tom brady there's no way i did i put number three as like in the one percent yeah no chance i would i would be tom brady has shocked me in a lot of ways over the last three years. Yeah, shocked me and ruined my childhood. That would – you might be in Bourne.

That would – him going back to New England would be number one on the power ranking of things that Tom Brady had. Him going back to New England would be less – no, sorry, would be more shocking than him being fully retired and then coming out of retirement. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think that hiring Bill O'Brien to potentially salvage Mac Jones

could be the move. Because O'Brien worked with Mac, right? Yes. Yeah. I'm not going crazy. O'Brien's been there long enough. They were together one year, Mack's year. Right.

Mack Jones' year. Bill O'Brien was their offensive coordinator. Oh, hold on. This is, what? I thought they overlapped in one year. Did they not? Bill O'Brien was named offensive coordinator 2021, so no.

Oh, so no. So was he the offensive analyst, though? Was he Alabama's offensive analyst? And he was fired by the Texans in 2020. And just as he was hired as OC January 2021. I thought he was an offensive analyst. He did some work there after he got fired by the Texans. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought the same thing. I think you're remembering that correctly. He wasn't just doing nothing. Well, that's always the nick savin thing right like guys go there and rebuild themselves and oh no it didn't overlap because o'brien o'brien was fired october 5th 2020 and then he was hired on january 21 of 2021 so it didn't overlap. So he wasn't there for Mac. Thought he was. Still makes sense, though.

Yeah. All right. Well, so that's kind of how I look at New England. If they either hire a guy that tells us, okay, they're going to reinvent Mac Jones, that's one option, or they go after Jimmy who Bill has always loved. Keep that in mind.

Bill Belichick loves Jimmy Garoppolo. Or they do look at the quarterbacks of the scrap, which they always do anyway, but they're just not in that range. Jets at 15. What are they doing, brother? You tell us. I think pass rusher or offensive line

jets are pretty easy in this sense because they're not drafting a quarterback after they colossal failure on the one they took two years ago they're just going to take the vet the jets are in the we need to know what we're getting situation at quarterback. They're just in that situation. Yeah. So they'll go get, they'll get a bet. Like that's a given.

Who's the most. I mean, he's a Jimmy. Yeah. Just. Okay. LaFleur, LaFleur and him from San Francisco.

Yeah. It does make sense. But Jimmy's going to have options. Do you have your top three vets that you would want, not including Lamar Jackson? Yeah, that would have made it a lot easier. I'm not giving you the out. I'm still weighing the options in my head.

I am highly intrigued by Gardner binchu okay that's fair yeah that's fair highly intrigued look you factor in cost upside sure he's one of the best qb2s in the nfl right now yeah right and so like you look at his situation currently in philadelphia and you go like okay like you wouldn't cost that much you know it's not like he's one of these other guys it's gonna be gonna break the bank on you. You know, like if let's, let's, let's just use Daniel Jones's example, right?

If you go out and you want to be like, Oh, let's go get Daniel Jones as a bridge quarterback. Jones played it well enough this year to where like the bridge quarterback part of it's going to cost you a lot. Yeah. It's not like, it's not like just a,

Oh, we're taking a flyer on a Daniel Jones for Gardner Minshew. It feels like offering him, offering him a full-time job is, is going to kind of go into it. So I understand you being intrigued by that. Intrigued by Minshew. I'm very intrigued by, let me say this, I am not afraid of a training camp that is Gardner Minshew and Mike White. Sure.

Yeah. Why not? I'm not. Especially if Mike White finishes the Sure. Yeah. Why not? I'm not. Especially if Mike White finishes the year strong here. Why not? Yeah, and then you could actually allocate the salary. Like, if you sign Jimmy, who's going to cost a lot, and he gets hurt again,

you're right back to square one, except that you are out of money. They still have Mike White no matter what, right? No. Oh, no. I know. that you are out of money they still have mike white no matter what right no oh no i know it's much more tricky than people have realized oh no yeah if mike white balls out in these next two games and gets the jets to the playoffs it's probably mike white because there's no other way you could you you could do it when's the last time the jets made the playoffs 2010 i was yeah it was a freshman in college it would be really hard to tell the franchise we're gonna move on

from the quarterback that salvaged this season from Zach Wilson I think that would be tough it's tough tough to do I think you I think you'd have to make him a very competitive offer to come back be the starting quarterback for the next couple years and if it doesn't work next year then you can move on and you can get really aggressive for a quarterback but if Mike White gets into the playoffs this year I think that you got a role into next season with Mike White, at least being part of the equation. Like you said,

maybe, maybe it's a camp battle. Maybe you can bring in a guard and Minshew as well. But I think you, you gotta, you gotta take a run at Mike White. That would be, that would be tough for Jets fans to stomach.

Exactly. It's not. So knowing all of that at 15, you kind of start to narrow your options where if they move on from Carl Lawson, they're going to need another pass rusher because he's due $15 million, none of it's guaranteed. Is that likely? I wouldn't say likely. I would say it's on the table.

Then a tackle, you can't just bet the house on Becton again. Dwayne Brown's going to be 38 and going through offseason shoulder surgery. George Fant leaves in free agency and has been really bad this year, unfortunately. So O-line is right in the mix. Yeah. Like this is probably Broderick Jones. Yeah. Territory.

We know Joe Douglas likes the big nasties. Maybe Paris Johnson Jr. Paris Johnson, absolutely. yeah territory we know joe douglas likes the big nasties maybe paris johnson jr paris johnson absolutely if he makes it there who am i missing skaronski's gone we think he's probably gonna be gone olu went back whoo olu olu put quite the dent in this conversation by the way he kind of did i'm excited to get i did. I'm excited to get to offensive tackles, though. Darnell Wright is going to be an interesting guy to watch. Oh, yeah. Wright tackle for Tennessee.

I really like what I saw from him when I was just watching Tennessee live and some of the clips that I've seen around Twitter. He's very good. I do like him. Darnell Wright's the guy that, on the top of his resume, gets, like, kept Will Anderson in check and everyone's like whoa right right right so that's gonna be the uh that's gonna be the talking

point for Darnell I think throughout the entire offseason yeah he he saw the best uh gauntlet of rushers this year he saw Jalari he saw Will he saw Will there's one other big they played florida so he got dexter right well he would have seen brian cox jr and um princely so he would have seen those edge guys yeah dexter dexter would have been more of an interior guy so he probably wouldn't have okay they don't kick him out. Okay. No, I don't. At least, they don't. I don't think he would have lined up against Dexter very many times.

No. All right, so get ready for that conversation. I was born ready. All right, anything else? Anything else on the order? No, I think that wraps up today's combo. I mean, we've been really heavy on Detroit all year with this show. Green Bay's winning. We'll go really heavy on the Steelers this offseason.

They're just one of those middle-of-the-pack teams. Yeah, I'm kind of really waiting to see how the Steelers finish to really kind of start to judge. Offensive line, we've talked about this before on the show. Offensive line's a major need for the the Steelers finish to really kind of start to judge like okay what's offensive line we've talked about this before on the show like offensive line's a major need for the Pittsburgh Steelers so we'll be throwing offensive line in there our corner is as well but you know they're picking middle of the pack and again I just I want to see how the year ends what kind of conversations are we having about the Pittsburgh Steelers before we really start to hone in on exactly who they might be drafting. But that conversation's coming.

Yeah, love it or hate it, the Steelers' future is on Kenny Pickett. Yeah, clearly. Clearly. Short term, at least. Their set-up coach, front office. Developing Kenny Pickett is what keeps the Steelers back or moves the Steelers forward. We'll have that conversation.

We'll definitely dig into that, as well as some other teams, of course. As we go throughout the offseason, appreciate you guys listening. There we go. We'd love to hear from you guys on what your thoughts would be on the current 2023 NFL draft order. Let us know about whether you're worried, whether you're excited about where your team is currently slotted, the couple of games they have left,

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up eight or ten of them and we'll get into some of your takes and if they're nfl draft related obviously they're very evergreen so we'll be able to get to those as well uh as of right now just because of the holiday schedule this was the last podcast that we have on the schedule might be able to give you a bonus one but i don't want to make you guys any promises that we can't keep. So as of right now, this is the last scheduled podcast that we have for this week. Maybe you'll get a third one. We'll see if we can squeeze in there, but if not, of course, we will be back with everything on what matters most on Monday,

getting back to the regularly scheduled things with that podcast. And then we're getting back to the rankings as well. We're going to continue to go through our early rankings as we ramp up for the shrine bowl, the senior bowl, Combine, all that good stuff. We want to give you guys a good baseline of who to watch out for, whose names to be highlighted as we get into these all-star events and everything and beyond. Connor, you got anything else before we get out of here? No, that was a good summary. This is the time of year where it really picks up. We're closing out the NFL season. We're opening the doors to be fully immersed in the draft season. It all comes

together. And you guys know that's the doors to be fully immersed in the draft season. It all comes together. And you guys know that's the busiest time of the year for this show. A lot of takes to get to, a lot of opinions, a lot of film, a lot of everything. This is truly the most wonderful time of the year because it is draft season. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers. Thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. See you guys next week. Thank you.