NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 134. 2023 NFL Draft Possibilities With 1-18 Draft Order Set

Episode Date: January 12, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers update the 2023 FL Draft order following the NFL's regular season finale and discuss scenarios and possibilities now that picks 1-18 are set

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode we're taking a look at the locked finalized draft order for all non-playoff teams now that the regular season is over in the NFL so we finally have the 2023 NFL draft order somewhat set 1 through 18 so we got a lot

of teams to talk about, especially a new team picking at number one. So many scenarios, so many positions, so many team prospect pairings that we go over here in this podcast, and it's just the very beginning. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers joining you guys a day late. And we recognize that. You know what? That's hand up. That's on us. No, no, no, no, no. It's not on us. It's on me. It's not on us.

You're a good soldier. You're a good sport. Full transparency, I was under the weather, and I didn't have my flu game in me. I just didn't have it in me. So we're here for you. I guess almost a daily. I know we're going to get this thing out as soon as we can so

don't let trevor fall be fall for me i will take the blame and we're here and we're ready to do this thing it's a partnership it's a partnership that's right that's what when somebody asks me who my partner is i go trevor sycamore i love hearing that does that mean we have the valentine's day gifts okay now it's weird sorry uh all All right. Well, today on the podcast, whether it was coming out on its regular scheduled day or whether you were listening to it right now, the topic was always going to be the same. And that is because the regular season is over in the NFL, which means we have the locked and loaded 2023 NFL draft order for the non-playoff teams. Now, that is not to say that this will be the exact order when we get to the first pick at the end of april we're going to dig into plenty of those scenarios

here in a second but we want to discuss it as the order is finalized we do that every single wednesday we talk about the what ifs now it's less of a oh what if this team team picks here now it's a what are they going to do here so a little bit more solidified scenarios, tongue twister there, that we get to discuss here. And Connor, I'm excited, man. This order, I feel like could not have turned out any better from a content perspective, all through respect to Houston Texans fans who my heart is with you. But my God, is there going to be some incredible content over the next two or three months? I mean, you got it all.

You got the potential number one pick auction you got the team at number two that needs a quarterback you got the team at number four that needs a quarterback you got clean slate in arizona at three you know like what are they gonna what are they gonna do totally clean slate at three you got seattle and the lions teams that are trending up still picking in the top 10 because they have the broncos and rams picks raiders obviously probably moving into a new era at quarterback falcons i think the same thing although we'll see how they plan to move forward with ritter carolina there's so much drama here um so much drama here and there's you know as oh every draft has there's a lot of talent at the top so it's it you're right the order fell perfectly for the nfl draft analysts and the nfl

draft podcast in this world yes it's going to be a beautiful next couple of months as we get to talk about everything that is possible with this order i'll just read it off to start us off here i'll go 1 to 18. Just so you guys, if you haven't seen it or if you're following along, maybe you got tank-a-thon of the NFL draft order up as you were listening to this podcast. Chicago Bears, they did it. They ended up getting the number one overall pick. Weren't sure.

We were not sure that was going to be the case. It felt like we had Houston at number one for what? Three months, Connor? I think we did. It felt like it was a three-month steady. Houston's at one. Bryce Young in every single mock draft. Now he gets to open it up a little bit.

Chicago picks number one. Houston picks number two. Arizona Cardinals pick at number three. Indianapolis Colts, four. Seattle Seahawks via the Denver Broncos, they're picking five. Detroit Lions via the Los Angeles Rams at six. Vegas at seven.

Atlanta at eight. Carolina at nine. Philly does end up with that top 10 overall pick because New Orleans' selection is at number 10. So Philly gets that one. Tennessee's sitting at 11. Houston's second first round pick comes in at number 12, where Cleveland would have been picking.

Your New York Jets are at 13. New England's at 14. Green Bay, 15. Washington Commanders at 16. Pittsburgh Steelers at 17. And the last non-playoff spot goes to the Detroit Lions 14, Green Bay, 15, Washington Commanders at 16, Pittsburgh Steelers at 17. And the last non-playoff spot goes to the Detroit Lions for their second selection in the top 18. Connor, we touched on it a little bit on the Monday show for the What Matters Most when we discuss what matters most from Chicago's result and Houston's result.

But now that we're going full draft focus, looking at the draft order, what's the thoughts with Chicago here? What's on the table for them? What are some early scenarios you might like from their perspective? We'll talk about a little bit later in the order teams that could be trading up, but what's your favorite perspective,

favorite attack right now for the Chicago Bears? The balance of getting a great player at a premium position of need in Will Anderson or and why I said balance the lead it the package of picks because somebody will call to get into this pick many many will call you're right whether Houston uh nibbles with the idea of flipping here. You heard Chris Ballard say, what was the quote, Trevor? We'll do everything or anything we can. Whatever the words were, it was aggressive. It was something you do not see from a GM in the draft world.

I was talking with Mike Renner about that a little bit this morning, and Mike was like, that was a little shocking, right? And I'm like, well, what else is the guy going to say? They're sitting at four. Their roster is good, and quarterback's been abysmal for them. It's not like it's a secret. It's not like they're calling up Chicago or Houston or, I don't know, whoever it's going to be, and they're trying to keep it hush-hush

that they're moving up for a quarterback. I think everybody knows it, and I think ballard just uh was kind of reading the elephant in the room if you will so with that being said what jumps out to me is that one in three are the leaping spots right you know you need to get in front of houston well in the simplest terms you need to get to number one so you you have the pick of the litter. I think for the majority of teams, that'll be Bryce Young. But then, you know, you need to get to three because the Colts are at four. I mean, Trevor, this draft, here's what's crazy, right? All right.

This is like the what matters most of the draft show. We are now in a position where we live in a world that if chicago and arizona trade their picks quarterbacks could go one two three in this draft there is a world where this draft goes bryce cj levis And if you're the Colts and you know that, that means the price goes up. Because you can't sit there at four and go, Anthony Richardson? You cannot do that.

So I guess the ramifications of how everything fell is that the stock of the quarterbacks went up without having them to do anything more on the field, in my opinion. Yeah, I think we went into this draft class. Certainly, if you go back to some early mocks that we did in like September or August, and I think you and I both would have said this is not going to be one of those quarterback classes where you've got three quarterbacks going in the top five we didn't think that was the case lo and behold the desperation to go get a quarterback and i will say like cj stroud looking as good as he did against

georgia certainly helped um the media it's it feels like the media narrative of the nfl really loving will levis is pushing that higher than we thought we We knew that Bryce Young was going to be in the conversation. Now it really does feel like those other two are there. And for a guy like Richardson, yeah, I think that somebody might take a chance on him in the top 10, but obviously that's a different kind of conversation. It's Chicago for one. I will say this. The fact that we are even entertaining a Chicago Bears taking Bryce Young at number one overall

tells me that maybe a lot of the, well, the NFL is not going to be unanimous on Bryce Young, might not be as strong as we initially thought it was. It really might not be that every team that every team in the NFL has this different opinion of Bryce Young. And I, and I'm just kind of trying to read the tea leaves here, but I feel like Bryce Young is going to be regarded as a better prospect than necessarily this. Well, some people just won't like him. I think the majority of the NFL is going to say that dude's special, right? You look at the size, you look at how much of an outlier he would be. He would be like one of three quarterbacks who would ever be that size in the NFL. And I think the other two weren't even picked before the first three rounds,

whatever the stat was, but some stat like that was crazy. So Bryce Young would truly have to be an outlier in his own tier to be good and succeed with his measurables. But guess what? Bryce Young was in his own tier in college good and succeed with his measurables. But guess what? Bryce Young was in his own tier in college football over the last two years. Bryce Young was the best quarterback in college football straight up for the last two years, whether it was escapability, decision-making, ball placement, just processing, creating, everything.

He was in his own tier. So though I do think the Bryce Young, draft Bryce Young, and then trade Justin Fields or do things like that, while I do think that's kind of crazy right now, the fact that we are even having that discussion makes me believe that there's not going to be as much parity within these quarterback rankings at the very top as maybe we were led to believe a month ago, a month or two ago whatever it was i think that it's firmly going to be bryce young and for any of those teams carolina

indianapolis las vegas shoot you want to throw the new york jets the washington commanders the tennessee titans whoever else in there atlanta falcons if you want bryce young i still think you got to get to one and then i didn't even I didn't even include the Houston Texans in that. Houston Texans are sitting there at two. If Houston wants Bryce Young, they got to figure out how to do a pick swap. I don't think they can sit there at two and think that some other team is going to trade up

for Will Levis or CJ Stroud, and they might have Bryce Young fall to them. If you want Bryce, the price is still that number one overall pick. Which leads me to, number one, I agree, because logic, you go back to logic, and logic is that Bryce Young is the best quarterback in this draft, and it might not be close, to be honest with you.

There seems to be a sizable gap from Bryce to the next guy. Another scenario on the table to me is if you're Houston, you know, everything's warm there. They fired their last two coaches. Nick Casario is still calling the shots. You got to get it right. Is there a world, I guess I'll throw it to you, Trevor, for your opinion. Is there a world where if you're Houston, knowing all of these things,

but you have so many holes on that roster, where you try to dive into the veteran quarterback market pretty aggressively and then go, you know what? We'll take Will Anderson at two if Bryce Young goes number one. And I know it's hard to sit there and punt on taking a quarterback, but do you think about trading for Derek Carr and getting the best player in the draft instead as insurance if Bryce isn't there? I think that's something you have to seriously consider

when you just look yourself in the mirror if you're Houston now. It's not exciting. I'm trying to think of a scenario where that would make sense for Houston. And off the top of my head, the only one that really makes sense, because when you look at that Houston roster, it's not, I don't want to say it's terrible.

You just got to understand where it is, right? They're not in a winning window. They're about to trade Brandon cooks and Brandon cooks is pissed, right? Who do you have a wide receiver? You hope you're getting John Metchie back, right?

But like, all right, even if you get Metchie back, you got Metchie back. You still got holes in the offensive line you got Damian Pierce cool but you need better years from Jalen Petrie you need more consistency out of Derek Singley Jr. like you need more guys up front to disrupt the passer you need better linebackers right that roster is just so far away so the only place where I could think that maybe makes sense, say if Houston's in a Bryce or bust world, is if you trade for like a Zach Wilson. Yeah, Carr shouldn't go there.

I don't think any traditional veteran, like when we think of veteran quarterbacks, what are you thinking of? Jacoby Brissett, Derek Carr, Jimmy G uh aaron rogers tom brady if they become available right i don't really think any of those quarterbacks make sense for the houston texans the only one that would is is if the jets are willing to move on from zach wilson which i i don't know if they would be for like a third round pick to get him on to just get him off the roster get a pick for him.

He doesn't have to be in the locker room anymore. They don't have to hear about Zach Wilson. They don't have to answer questions about, about Zach Wilson. Whoever comes in to play quarterback doesn't have to have that over their shoulder, whatever it is trading for a guy who is young and has promised that you might say to yourself,

eh, we get a home run. You know, if we, if we're just, if we were bunting and we somehow get a double out of it because of just luck, then maybe that makes sense. Or maybe you look at San Francisco's situation.

If your job is on the line and your next quarterback decision, are you making that prayer? Because I'm not. I think Nick Cicero, whatever quarterback he acquires next is his choice of, if I don't win some damn games next year, I'm done. And that's ultimately why I don't think they go this route at all. I don't think you can even go a veteran route because the roster's not good enough for a veteran to come in and play well right away, right?

I mean, even look at Tom Brady, how poorly it felt like Bradyady played at times this year and that bucks roster is nice they didn't play well but it's a lot better than yeah what he's got then what he would have going on in houston same thing with the packers right packers at least have an incredible run game nice young receivers to lean on so what i don't think a veteran quarterback really makes sense there i think that's's why Houston's in a really interesting spot because they're positioning at number two. You would tell yourself, okay, they don't have to give up very much.

All Chicago is doing is moving down one spot. Houston's just moving up one spot. But at the same time, you're not just betting against what would be the regular value to move from two to one. You're also betting against however desperate the Indianapolis Colts get, how desperate the Las Vegas Raiders get, how desperate the Carolina Panthers get. And I specifically look at four and nine. I specifically look at the Indianapolis Colts and the Carolina Panthers, two teams that can't hide it.

They need a rookie potential superstar quarterback that is where both of these franchises are good luck they cannot leave the first round without a quarterback and if they're gonna take one which one do you want you want Bryce so Carolina's package to move from nine to one might be crazy. It might be three firsts, right? We're talking like three first round picks, maybe even a little bit on top of that, some picks later. You know what I'm saying? Easily.

Easily. I think that's probably where the conversation starts. You look at the Indianapolis Colts. Maybe the Colts are saying we will not be outbid for a potential Bryce Young at number one. And what if the Colts said, we'll give you four and two other first round picks. So now all of a sudden, Chicago is sitting at a spot where they could still go from one to four, knowing that a quarterback is going to go with one of those spots,

knowing that a quarterback is probably going to go number two to Houston, and guaranteeing themselves Jalen Carter or Will Anderson anyways, and that's a deal that they would probably rather take. That's the play. Then Houston sitting here and saying, okay, we'll give you a second and a third round pick to just move up one spot. They go, no, because we could still have the guy that we want on defense

and two more picks first round picks from the Colts next year that's the problem for Houston it's not just viewing this as a yeah they're only one spot down they don't have to give that much to get up they are going to be bidding at least I think against super desperate teams especially those two so that was that's my that's my Houston Texans rant. No, I think you're on it. I think the Colts going up to one right now is the most realistic scenario. And then it comes down to what Houston ultimately will do. And this is a draft right now that after a guy like Jared Verst

decides to go back to school, the prime talent at the top has dwindled. Olu Fashani went back to school. He would talent at the top has dwindled. Olu Fashani went back to school. He would have been the top tackle in this draft. Jared Burse went back to school. He was edge two from the show. So you're looking at this situation and you're going, okay, let's assume three quarterbacks go in the top ten, right?

Let's assume Will Anderson and Jalen Carter go in the top ten. What are the other five spots, right? One of the tackles, I think. Probably. Skowrowski's kind of this wild card. He's a guy I could see being drafted later than we initially expected. Just because of the length.

Picking six to 10 kind of stinks this year. It absolutely does because it's all the same, right? Equivalent of talent. There's not like a, yeah, there's not like a home run that you're super cool with. And that's not always the case with draft classes. Like, right. Some draft classes you get to number 12 and you got studs. Oh, Micah Parsons and Rashawn Slater. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that year was really, really good.

But yeah, I just think that this draft is going to be, Oh, Micah Parsons and Rashawn Slater. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that year was really, really good. But yeah, I just think that this draft is going to be, it's going to be very exciting because it's going to, you're going to be dealing with desperate teams. You're going to be dealing with a handful of desperate teams who also know that, who know that pick six through 10, you might get a good football player, right? I'm not saying the guys who are going to get picked six and beyond aren't going to be good football players,

but compared to years of the past, Patrick Chetan, a JC Horn, like even like a Drake London coming in right away and play those kinds of players. I don't know if you're going to get those kinds of impacts. There's not this guarantee that they're going to work out. Six through 15.

Like you said, could be the same. Here's the players I think of. Miles Murphy, Ryan Brzee, Paris Johnson, Christian Gonzalez. Yep, I'd agree. I would throw Devon Witherspoon up there right now. Oh, man. Witherspoon going that high would be awesome. I don't know if he's going to, but that'd be cool.

I think he could find his way into the top 15. Okay. I feel like I missed some real obvious ones here. Oh, Tyree. Tyree will go in the top 15. Tyree Wilson, yeah. Depending on where you have Quentin Johnston, maybe. Yep.

And then the fringe guy is Michael Mayer. No, I would tell you the fringe guy is Bijan. Absolutely. Because I kind of think Bijan's going top 15. And if I look at this order, you and I talked about this last time we did a mock. If you look at this order, where are you putting Bijan Robinson? A lot of places that you would put him, fans would be like, no, I don't want our team to draft that guy there.

That's why I don't see him in the top 15 15 it would have to be a trade-up who in the top 15 is taking him i connor i don't know but you and i but we talk about this all the time we think it's gonna happen we think it's gonna he's just too good of a football player right yeah christian mccaffrey went eight leon Leonard Fournette went four. Zeke Eulalia went five. Saquon Barkley went two. No, you're right. You're right.

B. John, he's going to go high. He goes, imagine he goes three to Arizona. I mean, you look at me like that because you're like, ah,

there's no way a new GM. God, Arizona is all of a sudden really interesting. New general manager, new head coach. Kyler Murray's not playing next year, and they're about to trade. They're about to trade DeAndre Hopkins. J.J. Watt retired. I was just about to

say, one of their best players on defense, probably the best outside of Buda Baker. J.J. Watt's going to retire. Who do you have? Even if you bring Zach Allen back, you need defensive line. You need linebackers. You need cornerback help. You need now wide receivers if you're moving on back, you need defensive line, you need linebackers, you need cornerback help. You need now wide receivers. If you're moving on from Hopkins, you need a dynamic running back and you need better interior offensive lineman. If you take a running back

or as great as B. John Robinson is, I think Arizona is also a sneaky team to trade down, right? Sure, it makes a lot of sense. Because, you know, if Chicago trades the pick, let's say Chicago trades the pick to, I'm not going to use Indianapolis for a reason. Carolina, use Carolina. Okay, Carolina gets from nine to one. We go quarterback, quarterback, and then all of a sudden Arizona's sitting there at three.

Indianapolis sitting there at four. The home of Will Levis. And they're sweating. They know they need a quarterback bad. They need to go get one. Arizona could manipulate Indianapolis at four. Arizona could manipulate the Las Vegas Raiders at seven. Arizona could even get very fun with this tennessee at 11 washington at 16 right the further back you go the more future

picks you get to acquire and arizona is not really in the business of competing right away which also brings up an interesting conversation that uh Palazzolo and I were having on Monday. Would Arizona entertain trading Kyler? Kyler just signed the big deal. I was going to say, can you? But I think you can. Okay. I think it's, I believe it's not as crazy.

Now they probably call Brad Spielberger. Right. I need it. I need to live text Brad on this show. So he signed a five-year $230 million deal. Where is the bonuses? Okay, he's got, yeah, he's got a bunch of bonuses there. He is 97 mil of dead cap next year.

So you know how dead cap money works with trades, right? Where the dead cap is essentially the accelerated bonuses that are on the contract, I believe, if I'm understanding this correctly. I think you're on it, yeah. So if you are trading Kyler Murray for next year, one, you weren't even planning on really playing him anyways because he was recovering from injury. Two, you then have that entire year where you just eat all the dead cap from Kyler. All of it. And you're not competing anyways.

You could trade him because the problem is, Connor, if you're trading DeAndre Hopkins, how soon are you competing if you're the Cardinals? Murray is coming off a major lower body injury. He's going to be 27 years old next year. So the next time that you're really going to get Kyler Murray is going to be 28 years old with three years left in the deal. Is that going to be enough for you to have a winning window

knowing that he is $45 million, $55 million, and $43 million on the cap? So you're saying it trade them. I'm saying you. Yeah. So let's have fun with this. Eat the 96.5 million next year. Right? Yep.

And hire Jeff Saturday. So you tank for the number one pick. Sure. Next year. Yeah. That's the move. That's the move. That's the move. What Arizona Cardinals legend would you hire for the tank job?

Kurt Warner. You just bring Kurt back? I think he has too much pride. He's a very prideful man. Yeah, you're probably right. They made a movie about him. That's true. They did make a movie about him.

I know. It's funny. I want to find a fun fun one like where it would be larry's too easy fitzgerald's yeah larry's too easy he's got another very larry's very like very intelligent too where i think he's like no no you're not doing that to my legacy just uh just have patrick peterson retire after this year and then just give him the headset next year. Who are Arizona Cardinals legends? Darnell Dockett.

Yeah, but isn't... How about Darnell Dockett? It could work, I guess. I'm trying to find a really good one. Man. it's tricky you said get Patrick Peterson the head says that's pretty funny that's pretty funny

didn't he like hate Steve Keim or he had something to say about Steve Keim so Patrick Peterson comes back no he hated Kyler yeah he said I don't want to misquote him. Yeah, you don't have to. We don't do that on this show.

He said something about Kyler, and Kyler quote tweeted and was basically like, bro, you have my number. Right here. You could have said it. We were teammates. You could have said this to me. And it was a little odd. As we are recording this show, Arizona has requested permission from the Saints

to speak with Sean Payton. So they are not following our advice. They are running it back and trying to win. And they might trade... Well, they tried to hire Sean Payton. You can't trade the third overall pick for Sean Payton. God, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

That'd be absolute blasphemy. No, that'd be terrible. I couldn't think of a worse trade besides the Russell Wilson trade. Three for Sean Payton would be abysmal. That's something. That's really... To just take over a bad roster with no offensive weapons. And no draft pick.

No draft picks and a hurt quarterback. That's due. Dude, if I'm Sean Payton, I'm not even taking it. No, he can't go there. He can't go there. No. So anyways, that was fun. It's like equivalent of me requesting permission to speak to like,

I don't know, Margot Robbie as the third co-host of this podcast. I need people to let us know if we're wild. I want people to... I mean, we're absolutely unhinged, but it's still interesting. Well, that's why they listen to the show. That's the Wednesday episode. We're not here for the lukewarm scenarios.

Like we said, I think it was last Wednesday, we just hit record on the Wednesday episodes. We look at the draft order, and then we just start talking. Oh, I mean, yeah. That's where it went. We just hit record on the Wednesday episodes. We look at the draft order, and then we just start talking. Oh, I mean, yeah. That's where it went. We just floor it without seatbelts. I'm going to – don't do that.

Don't do that. People out there. It's a podcast analogy. Listen to the – yeah, yeah. Listen to the podcast while you're driving. You keep that seatbelt on. Here's a question for you. Do you wear your seatbelt in Ubers?

Yes. Oh, I don't. It's a bad habit. It's a really bad habit. No, yeah, I do. Well, I think, and it mainly stems from, I just don't trust a lot of people. You should not. Who aren't me when driving. I agree. You're doing the right thing like even friends family whatever i am i am a i am a seat belt on at all times kind of a person

like even if we're even if we're crammed into whatever the second row of whatever vehicle you are in like even if we are the honda odyssey i will i will go to put the seat belt on and the smart yeah i'm you know i i had a like a come to jesus when i was in vegas on a work trip and i noticed my co-workers buckling up in the uber and i was like oh i'm really bad at this and we're going like two blocks away still yeah it's my it's my New Year's resolution. Wear my seatbelt in Ubers. That's good. I want that for you. You're in New Jersey and New York.

You need to do it. I'm in literally the worst driving places in America. I know it's fearless up there, but... It's stupid. I need you to make it through at least this draft season. Yes, just one more. That's what I'm saying. Well, hopefully a lot more than that,

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See show notes for details. All right, Connor, I'll leave it up to you, my friend. Where are we going next? So I'm thinking this is a good time to kind of evaluate where runs begin, right? In the top 20. So I look at two areas of this draft that have potential for runs because they're a little deep in their top uh section of the draft i look at corner and i look at tackle offensive tackle right offensive tackle good correction yes definitely so for me i i think those include christian gonzalez witherspoon porter jr i think keely

ringo's in for a little bit of a tough process he seemed like a top 15 guy for a while he might be trending towards the back end of round one it's gonna be good i still think he'll be like a top 25 pick don't you we had him in like the top 15 no it's definitely a little bit of a slide for him there's no doubt about it the the it felt like during the early parts of the draft process we looked at keely cornerback from georgia for those of you that don't know and we went wow wow, 6'2", 210 pounds, can run a 4'3", 4'4", 40-yard dash. That is a big, tall, fast man that can play corner. Love that. And he does play really well on a vertical plane.

When guys try to open up and really just get up the sideline on him, he can flip the hips, stay hip-to-hip with him, and really have some great recovery speed. But as we saw against Marvin Harrison Jr. with Georgia versus Ohio State if you are shiftier if you are somebody who can really set him up to make him flip his hips and change direction he's just a bigger corner he's not as smooth in that regard so that's kind of updating a little bit of what we thought of him when he was a top 15 top 10 projection and now seeing him more as like, okay, he's not this unbelievably rare athlete where the change of direction is as good as long speed is.

So you just kind of got to adjust where teams might be prioritizing him. So I do think that's a good call out by you. So the tackle run would be the group of Paris Johnson, Peter Skowronski, Broderick Jones. You might see Darnell Wright find his way into that conversation. You could even see somebody like Osiris Torrance as a guard, not looked at as high as an ABT, but looked at as a first-round interior player,

which is a really big accomplishment. So, Trevor, where do you think in the top 18 those two runs could begin vegas needs offensive line right i mean like vegas you look at seven if you go seven's got offensive tackle potential atlanta colton miller's been really good but i know you're saying you need someone else someone else though. You need someone else. That's the trick. That's the trick. Yeah.

Tennessee desperately then needs offensive line. Okay, so here we go. I found it. I mean, this is what it is. Tennessee, Houston, New York Jets, 11, 12, 13. I would probably tell you that all three of those teams top need at that point in the draft is going to be offensive tackle. And then you have Washington at 16, Pittsburgh at 17.

Both of those teams need offensive tackle as well. So 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 11 through 17, we could have a major run on offensive tackle. So there it is. It's funny because you could say Tennessee for corner as well. Yeah, I'm trying to think for corner. Atlanta could use a corner. Oh, no.

Duh, the Eagles at 10 if Bradbury walks in free agency. Yeah, but that's kind of what I'm saying. Like, eight, we've got corner potential. Ten, we've got corner potential. Eleven. And then 16. But I think that corner run is actually detroit at six if they love a corner and want to take a corner at six i think they're probably

going to stick on the trenches but six eight ten eleven is where we could really see a pretty heavy corner run i think i think you're on it i would agree with those trying to think of some other ones but i think that's i think you're on it i would agree with those trying to think of some other ones but i think that's i think that's about it i mean those though yeah that's something that interests me is the runs in this draft you you have you basically drafts go like this on a very surface level quarterback blue chip players runs of the top position groups. This class is going to be that to a T. Quarterback, the Jalen Carter, Will Andersons of the world, tackle and corner.

And edge. But edge is much more scattershot because Will Anderson go anywhere from one to four. Jared Burst went back to school Tyree Tyree Wilson can go anywhere from five to twelve Miles Murphy same thing but then you right you get into the range of it's a scatter shot edge pass rush I feel like corners and tackles will go you could have three and five picks that's i i absolutely agree with you edge rusher probably is the case as well but like you mentioned like edge gets deep though you know edges you could have you could have three edge rushers go off the board and you could still be like yeah all right we're i mean we're chilling we got some

other edge guys to be able to choose lorries out there no one's like all i mean i could sit here all day and list off names if you listen to the edge show right right um here's here's something i want to bring up what's the most fun thing philly can do with 10 draft b john robinson well i'm i'm telling you to expand your mind think bigger the thing that comes to my mind immediately trade 10 and wherever your other first round pick ends up being the three for jalen carter and go draft Jalen Carter or Will Anderson. Just go draft one of the two. Yep. What does it matter?

The team's already great. Offensive line's already good. I mean, you're right. I mean, I guess it kind of depends, but if you just trade, if you trade both of your first round picks,

it's fine. Cause you still have a second round pick, a third round pick and a seventh round pick. So you, so you would still then have three, I think top 100. I think their third round pick and a seventh round pick so you so you would still then have three i think top 100 i think their third round pick goes in the top 100 but maybe it's just outside the top 100 three impactful picks and then you know you got two actually they have uh they have two seventh round picks so you still got some things to work with in in day three you don't have to head to the beach quite yet you still get that day to draft stuff i love that

man i think that's a great strategy for philly and you know what's interesting about it is you can realistically do it from a salary perspective because say we know they're picking 10 let's say they pick 28th 28th is 2.5 million on the cap. 10 is 4.06. So we'll estimate it at 6 point, almost 6.6. He's doing math folks. Alive. Pick number four,

Trevor is about 6.6. So it's equal. It works. Just saying, man, that feels like the most fun thing that philly could do with 10 is package 10 and whatever their uh next pick is and you know like how he would do that that's not this isn't like yeah fantasy scenario stock exchange i was thinking this could happen i was thinking about this earlier how Howie has been a general manager,

unless I'm really forgetting something, that is always, you know, you're trading back, you're acquiring more picks, you're getting future draft capital, you're continuing to stay in the driver's seat, if you will, controlling first rounds each and every year since they traded away Carson Wentz. And I feel like eventually

you're going to have the opportunity to where jumping up drastically is kind of what you need. If you set your team up in the right way by taking multiple swings during free agency for your first round picks, all that stuff. The investment in Jalen Hurts obviously is a second round pick turning out to be their starting quarterback. That accelerates everything. That's the glue that makes the last couple of years stick together. But now they're in a situation where they can trade those two first round picks they don't sure they could draft at 10 and 32 and draft some really good football players that will help their team in

the future but instead they could just go get an absolute animal of a will anderson or a jalen carter and i don't know i just feel like that a... They're at that point in time of their plan where they can afford to do that. They can afford to get that aggressive. And of course, Arizona going back from 3-10 and then getting an extra first-round pick too would be huge for Arizona. I'm with you.

It is one of the most unique scenarios. And the pro quarterback market is going to flip this thing upside down i can't say it enough like so somebody in the top 15 is going to have jimmy g somebody in the top no let me rephrase this somebody in the top 16 will have jimmy g derrick carr i'd include washington um you do that'll take them out of quarterback i as the days go by i should whisper this i don't know if lamar jackson's gonna be a raven next year i don't know brother it's get it's finally reaching like i won't laugh at this anymore i won't laugh at it you're saying

when people tweet out stuff about him maybe yeah i somewhere else. Yeah, I mean, it's unprecedented to think of a 26-year-old MVP actually being on the move from a great organization. And now I look by and I'm like... I still think they franchise tag him. I mean, absolutely, you have to. Yeah. Because you have to protect yourself. But, but... you have to yeah because you have to protect yourself but but you've seen some good-looking

jets jersey swaps and oh no don't you dare yeah and you just you know you look at me he was not having it he said you are not screenshotting me not on this day not that would be one hell of a way to end the nameth curse oh yeah we got lamar jackson that'd be yeah i mean wait is the name of nameth curse just haven't had a quarterback since yeah i mean nameth guaranteed they'd beat the colts in the super bowl when they were massive massive underdogs they did it and outside of a test of early year here wait sanchez sanchez dude stop it the dude the sanchez what do you mean by the way the sanchez oh my The Sanchez. Oh, my God. We can get out of here just given your...

We're obviously going to talk Jets plenty on this show. But just preliminary early thoughts with them at 13. I think that it's a good spot if they want offensive tackle. That's where my mind is able to go. It feels like a really good spot for them. But is that at the top of your list do you have a short list right now with different positions what do you think i know your mock draft had them had them taking paris johnson um i shortly after on badlands so that was that's

where my head is at it's just the perfect if he makes it there i just that's no guarantee anymore either but it's right not Tackle comes to mind for them. I mean, I know I keep pointing to it, but versus going back to school, really, it does have a ripple effect down the board. So I'm with you. Tackle, and you nailed it where you have that unique run of Tennessee, Houston, Jets. It feels like for the Jets jets then being the last one you're kind of looking at

like one of skaronsky paris johnson or broderick jones will be a new york jet i think if i was picking today yeah so yeah so we'll see but yeah unless they uh unless they trade that pick because we know it's you know i didn't say't say DEFCON 1, but it's, Joe Douglas has to be more aggressive than he's been in this offseason, and we'll see what they do with that pick. Yeah, Jets are one of, obviously, many teams that are worth monitoring of how they're going to handle their moves at quarterback and then vice versa, you know, the draft class

and how they go about using free agency capital um draft capital all that good stuff there's so many things to dig into obviously we couldn't get to all of it here on this one show but that was our initial thoughts as we have looked at the locked draft order following the regular season we've got the non-playoff teams in their specific spots let us know what you guys think. Tell us about your favorite team. If they're picking in a certain spot already, one through 18, let us know what you're targeting. Some positions, some players. We'd love

to hear from you. We'd love to hear your thoughts on other scenarios that we might have discussed. Maybe some scenarios that we didn't discuss for your teams or other teams around the NFL draft. Obviously, with Chicago having that number one overall selection, the possibilities are endless, if you will. So let us know if you're watching this on YouTube comment on the YouTube

channel, we're always reading the YouTube comments. So make sure that you guys do that. If you want to hit us up on Twitter at Tampa Bay, Trey at Connor J Rogers, you can hit us up on Instagram as well. We're reading all that kinds of good stuff there. We got one more show coming up tomorrow as we're going to talk about the final we're finalizing the class, you know. Before we get back to some of the rankings, we do want to touch on now that the national championship is finished.

It's finished before it even began, I would say. Now that that final game of the college football season is over, we're getting these final declarations from players. Are they going back to school? Are they staying? And we're kind of really starting to shape out what this draft class is going to be like. So we going back to school? Are they staying? And we're kind of really starting to shape out what this draft class is going to be like. So we're going to highlight some of the players that have already said that they're returning back to school.

Some of the guys that have declared some of the highlights there. And then of course, get into some of the all-star bowl invites as well. So we're going to be talking about that on tomorrow's episode. But Connor, you got anything else before we get out of here?

No, you nailed it. Excited to jump in tomorrow. The draft world is going 100 miles an hour right now as these guys had to make decisions. But, Connor, you got anything else before we get out of here? No, you nailed it. Excited to jump in tomorrow. The draft world is going 100 miles an hour right now as these guys had to make decisions. Class is really shaping up as we went through today. There's a lot of different scenarios at hand for teams as well. I know we'll get back into rankings next week. We'll get back into fixing franchises.

And I think we haven't announced our playoff situation as well because we did what matters most for the regular season. But I think the beginning of the week will be heavily covering the playoffs as well. Yeah, well, it'll be a little different. It'll be kind of like what matters most emphasis wise, but we'll throw some other things into the Monday show just because we won't be covering as many games. So we'll have some time there to get to talk about it.

Shoot, maybe we'll open up to there to, uh, to get to talk about it. Shoot. Maybe we'll open up to some listener voicemails, right? Like right after games, right after the playoffs, get to hear you guys' thoughts and maybe just, uh, talk about all that stuff. We'll keep it. We'll keep it pretty open. We'll have a game plan moving forward, but, uh, we're making, we're going to make sure that we slingshot you guys into the off season, hit the ground running into draft season. Hopefully this is one of the podcasts that gets to stay in your rotation all draft season long because we're going to be having some incredible content for you over the next couple of months.

I'm Trevor Sykema. That is Connor Rogers. Thank you guys so much for listening to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. See you tomorrow. Thank you.