NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 14 Players Who NEED A Good Combine

Episode Date: February 22, 2026

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The wheel was good to me so far, chef. I feel like it taketh a lot from Trevor and it giveth a lot to you. This kind of says a lot about my co-host. Maybe Trevor just has bad karma. It makes you wonder. Are you serious? You've been donating to charity, haven't you? No, I have good karma.

That's the difference. I hold doors for old people. Well, I hold doors for everyone. So it probably would. No, only old people. In New York, we don't do. Not only. To the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast.

Trevor Sickena, Connor Rogers, here with you guys for a very exciting Combine Eve episode here for you guys, as we're going to tell you the prospects that must have good showings in Indianapolis to continue to have their stocks beyond the rise or just where we think that they're going to be picked with certain mock drafts. Connor, I would ask how the hell you're doing, but I see the USA jersey on. This is post-USA capturing gold. But how you doing, my friend? man I'm fired up uh it's clearly the first one in my lifetime you know as a kid all we knew was the movie miracle now there's the doc on it but this is do you watch miracle last night by the way

i didn't i didn't and i do agree like with the people that are like this is no this is goliath versus goliath this time these are the right like these are the big dogs right here canada uh deservingly the favorite going into this tournament and the united states expectations were anything less than this, I think would have been somewhat of a disappointment even without being the favorite. So totally different kind of feel to this tournament. It was an awesome game. It was an awesome tournament, man. What I keep saying to people is, and it's easy to say when you know, both the men's and women's United States teams take home gold that make it really, really special. But this was the type of tournament. Like you had the bronze women's game

come down to a golden goal. Yeah. Every single game felt so, big and lived up to the expectations. And I think it was great for the sport of hockey. Look, I can, you know, I can understand, you know, why the NHL wouldn't be fired up about players playing in the Olympics because it makes a season longer. There's injury, you know, risk to the product, all that kinds of stuff. But like, God damn, this rules when the NHL players can play in this tournament. I mean, the speed, the talent, everything.

John Cooper, who's head coach of Team Canada was just, it. I'm paraphrasing, but just in awe of the talent that was on the ice at all times. I mean, for Celebrini, McDavid, and McKinnon to be on the same line that even probably has Kail McCar most of the time behind them on defense, it's like, what are you supposed to do against that? I have no idea, but the Hughes brothers obviously said you're supposed to win against that. So just, you know, just saying. Just saying.

It was awesome to watch. It really was. It was great. It was a great Olympics. The hockey really, really stood out above all, but everything was. was really cool, man, and everybody that spoiled our show long enough knows going back to when the Rangers played the lightning and the ECF, how much you and I love hockey and mixing it in on this show. And anytime we get the chance, I think this is the perfect chance to kind of

sprinkle it in. By the way, I still have PTSD from hearing, oh my gosh. McDonough? No, not McDonough. Say, no, like say Zabandajad all the time. Yeah, yes, yeah. MacDonna say, say Ryan Zabandijad. or Mika Zabandajad all the time. And Zabandjad scored against the USA when they played against Sweden. And it was just a me. I was just the dog meme. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like I just, I cannot, I cannot escape it. But hey, you called me out for not being big enough of an Olympic guy when the Olympics started. But, you found your best. You really did. You're live tweeting. Yes. I love the Matt Boldie. I like my chances splitting two of the best defensemen in the entire world.

Yeah, you really, you really like, you came a long way. You went from, oh, Olympics are on, perfect time to get out of the country and take a vacation. So when you returned, I've never loved the Olympics more. Never been more locked in. Never been more. And I will, you know, I will have you know that I tried my best to watch the Olympics when I was out of the country. But unfortunately, unfortunately, a lot of the streaming services, they're like, eh, nah, you're not in the country. You can't watch this.

Yeah, not here, pal. I barely got to watch any of it anyways. but we were obviously following along. Shout it to all the athletes, not just for the USA, but everybody who makes the Olympics so great. It's obviously, all jokes aside, a very fun event to watch. We got a lot of things that we want to get to here in the show.

However, we decided as a staff that we really wanted to address and talk about something at the very top of the show, and that is something that's very heavy. And that was Rondale Moore's sudden passing that happened over the weekend. gut-wrenching, tragic, heartbreaking. It almost just, it feels like words cannot truly describe this situation. It was so, obviously anything like this hurts a lot when you talk about people who, you know, watch an athlete and are inspired by an athlete, you know, people are talking about,

oh my gosh, like I love them so much when he was at Purdue, when he was coming out. I had, like, when the plays that he's made the NFL, but, man, it was just, especially heartbreaking. I think reading the tweets of all of the players who were his friends, who knew him, who talked to him even recently. And it's just, that's the stuff that's really heartbreaking. And what we wanted to do is I want to see if I can, if Tyler can sort of throw it on the screen right now. I think everybody over the weekend has tweeted out,

the suicide hotline number, and obviously I'm glad that people are. But I've said this before on this show. Therapy has changed my life completely for the better. And it can do so for you as well. There are points in life where you're just going to have up and downs. And it doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter how much money you make, how famous you are. We sometimes look at these athletes and these NFL players and think,

that they have the world. How could they ever be sad? How could they ever go through these lows in life? And it's just something that can happen to anybody. And so in that sense, you're not alone, but you're not alone with the people that can help you in your life as well. Friends and family, certainly it's wonderful to talk to them. But talking to somebody professionally about things,

it can change your life in ways that you don't even know. We have had therapy platforms that we have had sponsors this show that we have talked about before. this is not a sponsored segment at all whatsoever. This is us from the heart. I have a good friend of mine, a wonderful human being who is in the therapy space and in the mental health space in the medical field.

And years ago, she set me up with these links that are on the screen right now, which you guys can see, that really helped me find a therapist that has just, again, it's just been life-changing. It has helped me deal with not just the lows in life, but also the highs. And it's just, it's made everything so much better.

These platforms, these websites that you could go to, they allow you to view a therapist, view their resume, view their background, view their expertise, you know, whether they're in person or whether they're virtual. I love in person, but hey, everybody's a little bit different. There's also one of these platforms that helps you work with any insurances. If you have them through where you work, a lot of times, you don't even know that your insurance will help you pay for things like therapy. and so that helps you get linked up with somebody who maybe it's not going to cost you a lot of money to

be able to invest in yourself and better yourself. But we just, we had this talk over the weekend and we wanted to make sure that we said this to you guys because we love you and we really do. And it doesn't matter who you are out there. You're going to go through the ups and downs of life. But I promise you, friends and family help immensely. But having somebody professionally that you can bounce things off of is also incredibly incredibly powerful. So we love you guys if you're in any sort of situation. Again, whether it's a good or a bad place in life, it doesn't matter. You don't just have to wait till you're at your lowest in life to reach out and get therapy. It's sometimes this big, like, daunting task of like, hey, just reach out and go find a therapist. People go, I don't know

where to start. Here's a place to start. Here are some links that you could follow to start yourself. And I guarantee it'll be something that'll change your life for the better. really well said man and really really important i you know you and i what we care the most about with this show is it being a community above all else a positive community um we don't really tolerate any you know negative aspects whether it's in the chat or the discord or we want everybody to kind of lift each other up and you know this is a a really harsh reminder when you see a 25 year old or anybody any age clearly go through the this situation, the world's changed a lot, right? You know, growing up in the 90s and the early

2000s, this wasn't something that was forget, you know, publicized or promoted. It was often shunned the idea of a man needing to talk to somebody or go through therapy. You know, I think it's, and the world has changed a lot. And I think the world has changed significantly for young people is what I'm learning because I am we joke about it all the time like we we did trev grow up in a different era when you and I were in high school we didn't have smartphones and instagram and TikTok and it's just there's so much technology and there's so much pressure on young people socially and publicly especially when you're that successful as at something like rondale more was and it's not just rondale more it's it's everybody the amount of pressure that you feel um

you know, the dark side of social media and the really negative outlook of it. And that's why it's more important than ever for people to feel like they have places to go. And you see the links there, but I would also challenge that our Discord that's free to join is a place where hopefully that can be whether it's in the general channel of everybody just laughing and picking each other up or whether it's in a tighter channel like the team channels or directly to me, you or the chef, like, you know, that's just something that's really, really important to us. And we wanted to carve out the open of today's show to remind everybody of that because I would just like really strive to see a world where there's less and less of this.

Of course. And the way things are going right now for young people, it's, this was just a really, really harsh reminder of, you know, that some people do feel trapped. and I want everybody to listen to the show to know that you should never feel that way. 100%. Yeah. A lot of people here within this community have, we've watched build a lot of friendships with each other. And we talk about it on this show all the time how, hey, if you're somebody who loves the NFL draft and you're an addict, you're never alone.

Well, in life, you're never alone either. And we just want to make sure that you guys always have the chance to remind yourself of that because there are always going to be highs and lows. And somebody in the chat while we were talking with saying this, hey, therapy is not. not just for when you're at your most broken. You know, therapy is something that, again, I will say myself, has helped me navigate and make the better parts of life even better, just being able to celebrate those things. And obviously, it's helped me through some tough times as well.

So I know that saying to somebody like, oh, you should, you should see a therapist. You can start therapy. It's daunting. A lot of people don't know where to begin. Check out these links that we have here on the screen. We will put them in the description of the show as well. and I would encourage everybody else to do it. So, hey, we're going to have a lot of fun on this show.

We're going to kind of transition into what the topic was and what we're talking about. But just so everybody knows, we love you. We appreciate you. We are glad that you're here. We want you to be here. And we want you to be you for a long, long time. So with that being said, let's get into it. It is the Eve of Combine Week.

So far, Connors flights are holding somewhat to get out of New York. Two of them did not hold. that canceled. But the third one is holding? The third one is holding on for dear life. I have never felt more like Lieutenant Dan on the ship in Forrest Gump, staring up at the heavens and saying, it's time for a showdown, you and me against God,

because I have had enough of this. Mackay Lemon, I am with you right now, brother. This has gone way, way too far. Senior Bowl? Couldn't even get out of here. Combine, I won't have it. I'll sit in LaGuardia. for seven days, if I have to, to make it to the NFL combine.

Right now, we are on pace to leave Tuesday. We'll see, man. We got the Brazilian Steakhouse Reservation on Wednesday. So that's really the big cutoff, making sure that we make that. But okay, so in theory, you're going to be there, as Lee says of right now. And so are a lot of these other prospects. And Connor, I wanted to leave this a little bit open-ended. And we'll go by position.

We'll go running back, wide receiver, tight end, offensive line, defensive line, linebacker and defense back. All the positions for the combine. We're not talking about quarterbacks because it don't really matter. The most important thing is the interviews, and that's basically it. I couldn't care less about the throwing sessions, to be honest with you. And outside of Tailing Green and how fast he runs, because he might be a wide receiver, you know, it just really doesn't matter. But we're talking about players that for one reason or another, whether it's to jump into the top 10, jump into the first round, stay in the first round, be a solidified day two pick, be a riser later in the process, maybe even just to get

themselves drafted, whatever it is, guys who must have good showings at the combine. We're starting with running back. Who's your first guy here? How about Nicholas Singleton from Penn State, man? Has to. Yeah. Like, this is the bar of you got to show up here, man, because you are billed as a size speed kind of athlete.

Now it's a little bit more straight line for him at about six feet tall, 225, 225. 26 pounds. The reality is watching Penn State this year, they just looked like a better offense when they fully shifted to Ketron Allen being their workhorse. They did. He was more consistent. He was more consistent.

That's absolutely right. Now, Singleton, the film popped in 2024 from an explosiveness standard. And the film popped even more, even the last two years, not just two years ago, but this year at times as well, his receiving ability because this to me is somebody that has the size and mindset to handle pass protection and to catch the ball in space and utilize that athleticism. So for me, this is one of those ones where, you know, these aren't always the fun ones because

it's a little harsher. Nick Singleton's not trying to play his way into round one. I think he's trying to keep himself in the third round right now and not wait until day three to hear his name called. So I mean, yeah, it's a situation, you know, with him that this is someone that it's big Trevor like sometimes the combine you want to be careful of the like don't count it twice rule and you know obviously there's a lot of chatter like you opened up saying like and the quarterbacks like Ty Simpson's throwing and that kind of has people you know he is that's the rumor right now is that he's going to throw which is compete baby compete right but nicholas singleton this is a size and speed kind of explosive athlete you got to go put on a show at the

combine and look good in some of those drills as well i think we've talked about this before with Singleton. All the athleticism in the world, you see a little excerpt from Bruce Feldman's Freaks list this past year, which you're going to see for a couple of these guys that were on that list that we're highlighting today. So it's 40 times a 435. Shuttle times a 418. His max velocity is 23 and a half miles an hour. That's nuts. He is. The chat is reminding me that he won't be ready because of the senior ball injury. Oh, no. I had not seen that officially, but it does make sense if it was that severe. So, yeah.

Because a lot of, so I guess also you want to be careful if you're him because. Well, hold on. He could do the Greg Jennings Madden thing. Test with this. Yeah, I mean, he's just, he just, you know, he's just, he's whole, look at him holding on to it. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, yeah, good call by the chat. I, I didn't know if he'd be ready or not yet, because I haven't seen any update on this. That's a shame, man, because that's a, that's a stage for him that, um, you know, to me would be really, really important, but it sounds severe enough that we're going to, we're going to have to

wait until at least you would think a pro day, maybe a private pro day. Yeah, yeah. Pete saying, damn, Trevor beat me to it. Anytime we get a Greg Jennings Madden reference, I'm, I'm ready for it. Don't you worry, Chad. I'm going to be right there. But I do agree with the sentiment of kind of what you were talking about with Singleton. And obviously, it's a bummer that he can't do anything in the Combine because of that injury. Because you're right, athleticism and reminding people just how freaky of an athlete he is was going to be really really important for him. And I think specifically it's because you look at some of those numbers that we have on the screen. PFF does in-game athleticism score. It's out of a hundred,

95.9.9.9. It was like a 99.3 the year before that. Nine plays this year where he hit over 20 miles an hour in a game. I mean, that's the home run athleticism that you're talking about here. But then you go into the 0.17 mistackles force per attempt. That's just 22nd percentile. if you're this crazy athlete, I need you making guys miss a little bit more than 22nd percentile. So, yeah, I mean, this would have been a huge week for Singleton. But, yeah, because that injury, I didn't even catch this as well when you mentioned Singleton because I was just too busy thinking like, yeah, of course, like he's got to have a huge week to remind people of what he's capable of.

I'll give a secondary shout out real quick then. I would pivot to Emmett Johnson because Emmett Johnson's-old. Emma Johnson's tape was so good this year. He had a true, true breakout year for Nebraska. and he's somebody that he's not small, but he's also not the biggest guy where you'd like to see. And you know,

you got to be careful to see who does agility is and who doesn't at the combine. A lot of guys do like to save them for their pro day. But he was somebody that going back to what you just said, Trevor, the make you misability is so important. I thought he was excellent at that at the college level. So Emmett Johnson would be another guy,

I would say that this is, you know, test like a pretty good athlete because the film doesn't lie at all of who he is. No question. If we can get some really nice. explosiveness scores from him. Like, okay, what's the 10-yard split? Sure, the overall 40-yard dash is nice, but the 10-yard split and then the vert and the broad.

I mean, if we get good scores from Emmett Johnson there, you are going to hear him get RB2 talk, right? I mean, and that goes- I think so. And that goes right into my guy that I think has to have a good week at the combine, and that is Jonah Coleman from Washington. Now, I've said on this show here before that I don't really care about long speed for running backs.

I like Jonah Coleman. I want to be very clear. I like him. He is my RB2 as of right now. Like I think that this is somebody who could be a really nice back at the NFL level. But that claim for RB2 could very easily be given to somebody else after this week. You know, I think that Emmett Johnson is somebody that you shout out there. Your boy Judarian Price from Notre Dame as well.

Like, if he tests like a crazy athlete, you're going to have NFL people point to him be like, all right, after Jeremiah Love, I'm going to take this dude. So for Coleman, it's really important to just hit thresholds. Don't run like a 20 or 30th percentile type of 40-yard dash or have less explosiveness or agility or whatever it is. Like if he stacks up too many drills, whether it's the 40 or the broad or the vert or the three cone or whatever it is, and he's close to like 30th percentile scores for the position, you're going to have a lot of teams say,

all right, we don't have to draft that guy early. I mean, look at Kairn Williams, right? I mean, Kyron Williams is somebody who I thought his film at Notre Dame was awesome. I thought he did basically everything that you wanted him to do, including from a past protection standpoint. He was really good when it came to yards after contact. He ran hard as hell. He was a good receiver, all of that.

And he just gets drafted late because, well, if you're not an athlete, the league's probably not going to covet you a ton. Now, he's obviously been a good pro, and that's why I say, like, I still like Jonah Coleman, but he must have a good combine in order for him to have any sort of top 75 shot or to keep that RB2 label on him. Yeah, this is a good call out because Jonah is such a unique player in the way he creates yards with his pound for pound strength.

And I think he's got good feet at that weight. But he's not somebody that has these long strides to kind of build up that speed. So like you said, Trevor, If he has an average combine, that would seal the deal for me. I would be really happy with what I would see from that standpoint. I wonder if he ends up running at the combine or his pro day because he's someone that, like, I think we're going to get two different weights. His testing weight will probably be what, 215.

210, 215. And this is a dude that I had him a Big Ten media days. And this was a year and a half ago. And he's a real like 226, 27. And he plays at a big muscled up weight. So I'm fascinating to see how he kind of stacks the deck of, okay, I'm going to come in heavy here and do these things and lighter here and do these things.

I mean, what's, uh, let me see. I'm doing some really quick research here. Like if he, like it's four, six kind of the number for him. Yeah, the Josh Jacobs. Four six is. Yeah. Yeah.

Actually. That's what I always think of. A four six for running back is 40th percentile. So I think that it, he's hitting, even if it's high four-fives in training, he will run. But if he's consistently hitting in the four-sixes, yes, camp's probably, it's probably going to tell him to not run, just to trust the tape. Because, you know, there's some numbers on the screen there as well for the audio-only people.

66.8 in-game athleticism score for Jonah Coleman. zero runs of 20 miles an hour or more. We said that Nick Singleton had what was 8 or 9, something like that last year, just last year alone. So we got zero from Jonah Coleman. It's just not his game. However, 0.29 missed tackles force per attempt. That's 89 percentile.

So that's the stuff where I go back to, I like Jonah Coleman. I'm still going to like Jonah Coleman, even whatever the combine is. But in order for him to get drafted top 75 and as RB2 in this class, he has to have a really good showing. So I think that that's why he's in that category there. Moving a wide receiver.

Indeed. How about Ted Hurst from Georgia State kicking things off here? Bro, I didn't realize this from Ted Hurst. He had what was his in-game athleticism score this past year was a 95.9. Yeah. I didn't know he had that in him. Right. You watch him.

And the 20 to 40 yards. are really fast. That's what stands out to me, is that he's somebody that will benefit from building up speed. You see the note there from Bruce Feldman, about his laser time and the broad jump, the three cone. If he goes sub seven three cone,

like lookout. Yeah, man, yeah. Because you got to factor in. He's over six foot three. I would think, I know senior ball, I think he was 207. He'll probably be around what, 205, 204 for this.

He's a big wide receiver. If he somehow goes sub 4 or 5 at that size with those ball skills, the ceiling for Ted Hurst in the draft to me is going to be much different than where he's currently being projected. Yeah, I, um, you know,

I was pretty surprised at some of the overall tracking athleticism numbers for him. Um, you mentioned obviously some of the numbers that Feldman shouted out. out there, but 95.9 in-game athleticism score. I already mentioned that. He had 16 plays where he hit over 20 miles an hour over the last two years. Sixteen. Now, his separation percentile against single coverage is 25th percent. Right. And I think he plays more like a contested catch

wide receiver. So that's why I was so shocked. But anytime you have a big contested catch type of a wide receiver, but you give him a little bit of juice, you show them just a little bit, those flashes. Like, that's why everybody's talking about Malachi Fields now as a potential top 50 pick, because at the senior bowl, he popped a little bit when he was able to run vertically, and then you go back to the Notre Dame tape, and some of it's there, some of it's in the Virginia tape as well. We're kind of on that cusp with Ted Hurst, where there were a lot of people who were

super hyped up about him going into the senior bowl. I didn't think that he had the best, he just, he wasn't as stand out at the We had the best moment, which really carries a lot. He did, he did. Above the rim catch. He did. Right. That'll do.

It's like Derek Moore almost killing Markell Bell. Everybody was like, oh my God, Derek Moore. Moore was this. He should have shut down the process after that. Been like, no, I'm going home. Yeah. No combine, no pro day. I'm out.

Yep. I'm not even going to rookie minicamp when you draft me. I'll be at training camp. See ya. Oh, man. He's going to hold out for no. reason. Doesn't like want extra money. He's just holding out just to hold out.

Yeah, but when it comes, like the one-handed catch is a great example, though. I already knew he could do that. Like, that's all over Georgia State tape. But I agree with you. While being covered. Blanketed, some would say. Right. Right. Right. So I am excited to see him run,

but it sure sounds like he's going to test like a really good athlete. And obviously, you know, everybody in the chat correctly saying, reminds me of an athletic Mike Evans. Yes, of course. Yeah. If Mike Evans was actually an athlete, he'd get Ted Hurd. Whoa, hold on.

Wait, whoa, wait. This is Mike Evans' slander. Yes. This is Mike Evans' slander here. Hold on. Yes, that's what they're all doing. They know what they're doing. All right.

Wait. Mike Evans, 41st percentile. Well, hold on. Hold on. Mike Evans, 95th percentile in height. 97th in weight. 98th in arm length. Seventieth.

69th, actually. Nice. in hand size. 10 yards split, 41st percentile, 40-yard dash 42nd percentile. Vertical jump, 69 percentile again. Very nice. Very nice. All right, maybe he is a little bit more athletic Mike Evans.

Chat might have cooked. The rumors were true. Speaking of another contested catch guy, dude, Jacoby Lane's got to have a really good combine. Yep. And I'm going to keep it a buck with you. I don't know if he's going to. And I was, so he's always been a contested catch guy.

Like even when we went back to summer scouting, like I think you were a little bit higher on him than I was. But we both kind of saw Jacoby Lane is like, all right, really good in contested catch situations. Let's see what he blossoms into in 2025. He didn't really do anything different. He remained, in my opinion, a contested catch guy. Now, he's got some really sick contested catches. But as we've talked about here on this show, some of the draft misses that you and I highlight,

specifically me over my scouting career, is these guys who, yeah, okay, you could be a dominant contested catch guy in college football, but it is so hard to just make a living like that in the NFL when that's all you do. I talked about J.J. Arthago-Whiteside. I've talked about Kelvin Harmon, you know, like guys where it's just,

they're just contested catch guys, but they can't be anything else after that. And I get worried about. that with Lane, who 64.9 in-game athleticism score. He has one play in his entire career where he hit over 20 miles an hour. And when I watched him at the Senior Bowl, specifically up close, that lack of separation from him, 42nd percentile separation against single coverage over the last couple of seasons, that showed up. He was blanketed most of the time that he was playing in the Senior Bowl. And his build wasn't really, it's not like it's a super dense muscular

build, he's a pretty slender dude. So Jacoby Lane, in my opinion, is firmly a day three wide receiver. And if he does not show some sort of surprising athleticism, I kind of think that this is probably going to be somebody who's drafted in the fourth, maybe even the fifth round. So he has to, as somebody who, as somebody who was getting first round height before the season from some people, this guy's got to have a really good combine or he's going to get out of the top 100. Yeah, he still feels very developmental in most areas of the position.

John said Mike Evans if he was bad. We'll never stop. Come on. Mike Evans' comps will be thrown around seven years from now. Yeah, you will. Yeah, long after we're all gone. I like this take because he's an easy player at like I did over summer, not that I had him. I forget where I had him.

But bottom line is like over summer you could talk yourself into refinement incoming this year. And he's still kind of a jumpball merchant in some ways. And you just get worried about those guys at the next level outside inside of the first three rounds. Because the track record of it all coming together for them is difficult. Now, of course, people could counter right now and be like, well, you just talked up Ted Hurst. then yeah, but the point is if Ted Hurst is a better athlete that everyone thinks, maybe he can continue to develop his game where you're saying, Trevor, like if Lane doesn't test well,

my competence in that development curve starts to kind of drop off. Chase in the chat saying Elijah Surat is the only contested catch guy in this class that I like, not as worried about his separation score for some reason. I agree with you, Chase, completely. And I would give a little bit of logic to the for some reason that you had there at the end. The thing that I like about Elijah Surratt is, is I still think that even though he's not a really good athlete, he still at least tries to win in those little, like, nuanced areas of the game.

He's got a very diverse release package off the line of scrimmage versus press. He's very subtle in, like, the moves and how he's setting guys up for them to attack, you know, their blind spots. If their back is turned one way, he tried to, he tries to get them to flip their hips one way, and then he goes the other. Like, you see Elijah Surat win in the nuances of playing the position. and I just think that Jacoby Lane just wants to be a contested catch guy. He just is basically, he wants to kind of do a pretty simple little shimmy off the line of scrimmage,

and he wants to just put his hand up and say, throw the ball up. I'll go get it. Again, it works in college. It doesn't work in the NFL. So he's got to have a really good week. Man, I saw a lot of Devante Parker talk in the chat. He's one of the stranger players I can remember where, and I don't think that's bad. at all, by the way. I think that's

like you're on the right pathway. I feel like Devante Parker wasn't really good for four years. Then he finally had the breakout year and got paid. And then he wasn't really good again. It's just a really weird career. Like he was a guy that got extended, a big extension. Good timing. Good timing. Yeah, but he never really

developed into the number one that he was supposed to be. It's good Devante Parker money if he can get it. That is great Devante Parker money. Yeah. Yeah. Tide end? Yes. Here's the most obvious one I could throw at you without saying Kenyon Sadiq. How about Michael Trigg? All right. From Baylor. Okay. Trigg is I say Kenyon Sadiek by the way. I mean, I think you're and I think you're right. No, I think you're kind of going after me a little bit. No, no, no, I felt it. I was correcting myself. Yeah, it did come. I was poorly worded by me. You guys very I actually you didn't know you picked Sadeek. Yeah, you kind of little brood me right there. You did. Yeah. Yeah. What an obvious.

Wow. Really did your whole work for this one. It's terrible. Terrible. I think people are really, really going to like Michael Trigg. The last time you and I did tight ends, which wasn't that long ago,

I didn't have him in my top 10 tight ends. He's a very tricky player to figure out. And this is why I would have really liked to see him go through at the Senior Bowl, but it is what it is. He's got long. but long arms, big hands, he can kind of build up speed. He's a dynamic jump ball specialist, right? The yards per route run metrics for the analytics crowd was 89th percentile this year.

Like that's what you really, really like to see. There's times where they get him on the move as a lead blocker and you see some ability even there. But man, his usage in college is just a big slot. or an hback, which we've had the combo before, and maybe there's some more confidence in that working after last year's class had a few of them kind of flash. He's not really a obviously finish blocker, and he's, once again, not like a polished receiving threat.

So he's someone where if he jumps 41, 42 inches, would you be shocked? No, and then you're like, okay, he's just so rare at what he's good at. as a receiving tight end, tight end two, that teams are really, really going to like him. But I feel like Tread for the comeback, he kind of has to be one of those guys. Because that's his calling card as a prospect.

Not a ton else. Yeah, 100%. I agree with you completely on this one. He's a former five-star recruit, started at USC, went to Ole Miss, finished his career at Baylor, so he's bounced around a little bit. But through it all, I mean,

he has basically just been a big athlete type of a tight end. trying to be on the cutting edge of these tight ends who are major mismatch type of players. And I think you'd be okay in the blocking game, although the grades will show you that they're pretty inconsistent. 62.3 pass blocking grade, 46.0 run blocking grade. I mean, he's, yeah, I mean, the blocking is something that absolutely needs work for him. But to be honest with you, they're probably not going to ask him to do it a ton just because that's not what he brings to the table.

And what he does bring to the table, what you mention is fully predicated on him. being a really, really good athlete. So, yeah, I think that there's a lot of people who can watch the best of Michael Trigg at Baylor and say, hey, like, this guy is somebody that I'm going to ride with and I'm going to take a chance on, whatever. And he has to test pretty well athletically in order for that to be the case. 89.1 in-game athleticism score from him for him. So that's a really solid number.

It kind of indicates that he will be able to test pretty well. Yeah, I agree. This is a big one for him. Do you think that the flashes from Arronday Gadsden helps Michael Trigg into next year? I do too. I don't typically like this kind of tight end. I don't either. And I don't, because it worked for somebody, I won't go the route of it.

It'll keep working for everybody else. I just won't go down that road. But I am fascinated if that sample size does significantly help him. Somebody said is his comp, like a. poor man's, uh, Kyle Pitts. I wouldn't say pits.

I don't think that they're, they're just not built very similar. What was the initial comp that I had on him? While you're looking at, I see Chase asked, would you rank a Royo over Trigg? I thought Arroyo was way more, like you,

you could ask a Royo to play on the line of scrimmage. A lot of people got caught up with the Royo's receiving ability that he was just a past catching tight end, but he did some good work when healthy on the line of scrimmage. and he was really big at the combine. It was like, oh, you're actually built like a tight net, not a big receiver. Trigg is not going to be asked to play on the line of scrimmage

in the first two years of his NFL career. Right. I liked Arroyo much more than I liked. Yeah, a lot more than I liked Trigg. So I'm still working through like an official comp for Michael Trigg. Because honestly, like the comp is really tough. Because the best of Michael Trigg, I had this written down in my notes.

It's like the best of it reminds me of Dave Njoku. You remember when Injoku was coming out of Miami, like, he wasn't a polished player at all. He was just a crazy athlete that nobody could really handle. And then Injoku, yeah, he's still like a good receiving tight end, but he's really rounded out his game. And so it's hard for me to comp. It's not like a David and Joku comp currently in the NFL. It's more of like a he reminds me of what David and Joku was coming out. So that's to say, like, he can get better, but I've been so impressed with how Injoku has rounded out his game.

Me too, man. I wouldn't go with that as like a full comp for him. That's just something to kind of like get your imagination going of what we're talking about with him going into the NFL. All right, Mr. Kenyon, Sadiq. Yeah, I mean, despite getting, you know, despite getting a little homie at a couple of minutes ago, I think that this is huge for Kenyon Sadie. And I think that, I'm just kidding, man. You know, I'm just kidding, man.

I'm just messing with you. I think that Sadiq is going to test very well. But I think that he needs to. Specifically, Connor, the reason why I wrote down Kenyon Sadiq is because if he has an okay combine, the worst that he's going to get is drafted in the second round. Like he's not going to get beyond the second round. The reason why I think it's very important for him to have a good combine

is because of something that somebody in the chat said a couple of minutes ago. And that is Eli Stowers, tight end won. because Stowers was a former track standout. He was somebody who was a great athlete when he was in high school. The numbers for him, let me see, what was, because he was in Feldman's Freak List as well. The numbers for, this is Eli Stowers

from Feldman's article, a former 6A high school high jump champion. He also has elite wheels. He broad jump over 11 feet last off season to go along with a 39-inch vertical, and his top speed on the GPS was over 21 miles an hour. He also power cleans 360 pounds. So Stowers, Connor, I think is going to test incredibly well athletically.

And then you are going to get people to go, all right, well, what's the best thing that a tight end can be for you? A mismatch in the passing game. Okay, well, Eli Stowers has had no issue being an incredible. credible receiver over the last two seasons, so we're not worried about him as a route runner, as a separation guy, as a contested catch player, as a yards after catch guy. He is a fantastic receiver at the tight end position. We don't even really have to worry about him a ton in line. And because of his success as a receiver, you're going to, if Kenyon City doesn't test

as well as maybe we think he is going to, you're going to have people look at, maybe some lack of receiver production that they were a little disappointed with with Kenyon Sadieke. all right, maybe he's not the best route runner, maybe he's not the most nuanced receiver, and they're going to go, all right, we'll just give me Eli Stowers. I'll take him as tight-in. Right.

Give me Stowers as tight-end one. So I think that this is important for Sadiq, not because I believe that he just immediately becomes undrafted if he doesn't have a good week. But I'm not really worried about Stowers having a good week, and I already know how good of a receiver he is. So if Sadiq wants to hold on to the tight-end one title, he better test the way that we think that he's going to test,

or I'm telling you, people are going to start to put stowers as the top titan in this class. I would set Sadiq's 40 of and over under at 4-4-3, which is pretty out of this world. Yeah. At that size? Yeah. But, you know, is it fair to say a 4-5 would be disappointing from him?

I think so. I think it would be. Yeah. The whole first round combo around him is that he's a freakish player at his size that you just typically can't find. So it'll be. be yeah i'm i'm with you as much as i jokingly mocked you for this it is massive for kenyon sedek he had six deep catches of 15 or more yards uh this past year

he had a 97.6 in game athleticism score and he hit over 20 miles an hour twice this past season so everything is there for him to have a good week but i really do think that he has to have a good week somebody in the chat throughout another name at tight end which i am also looking forward to seeing and that's dailan bentley the the tight end from utah and the reason why is because when I watched Dailun Bentley, I don't know if I just watched the wrong games or what, but I came away, I came away thinking that he was not an athlete enough to play in the NFL. Like, I didn't think the explosiveness was there. I didn't love any of the true like yards after catch situations that he was in.

I was just disappointed in him as an athlete. And then I go to the Shrine Bowl and he's one of the standout players. And I go, okay, this is a little bit different. I didn't expect for him to be this much of a standout player. So he is somebody who's a little bit deeper of a sleeper who I think, man, if he has a really good combine week, we're going to start to talk about him a lot higher in the tight end rankings as well. But yes, that was somebody else who I wanted to shout out. Before we get on to offensive line, which we're hitting next, every week on draft risers.

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You're going to say Caden Proctor. There you go. You're going to say something like Caden Proctor here. Caden Proctor. Yep. I went the full Kenyon Sadiek route on this one. Because, man, Caden Proctor, I just don't think you can come into the Combine Way in 300.

70 pounds. Yes. Yes. 100%. I know it's such a baseline thing to say. Let me say this, because Proctor was somebody that, and I've repeatedly said this, I was a little disappointed this summer compared to the hype where I felt like he was being billed as this next great offensive line prospect of tackle and a top 10 pick.

Kind of consistently had him in like the 20s on my board. And I think he was better. I've been watching tackles the last week, maybe even longer. He was better than I expected. with still some flaws. But a lot of it is, Trevor. He is just so heavy, especially up top. Where I look at and go, I get it.

Like, you're a big dude naturally. You are not going to be this 315 pound offensive tackle, nor should you be because you're, what, 6, 6, 6, 7. We'll see what he comes in at. But he's clearly a little heavier than where he should be, and that affects his mirroring and recovery when things get on an island. You see there, too, from Bruce Feldman,

has 274 pounds of lean muscle mass with 26% body fat. His strength numbers are awesome. This summary. Yeah, no, he's super strong. I'm not denying any of that. I do think there is, this is a test for him, though. Like, if Proctor can come in at 3.45? Dude, yeah, 340, 3.45.

Don't, why are we doing more than that? What's the need? I'd love to know if that was an Alabama thing. Is that a thing with him? It's just, it's really hard for tackles at that weight consistently in the NFL to be the best versions of themselves from a health and performance standpoint.

Wasn't that the thing with Evan Neal and J.C. Latham as well? Like, Bama just, yeah. Bama just fed those dudes as much as humanly possible. Be as big as possible. Yeah, and I agree with you, man. I've never played offensive line. And offensive line is something that I always,

I'm leaning on a lot of other people who have more. It's a unique fraternity. It is. Who have more like hands-on expertise. So I don't want to necessarily say that there's absolutely no point to being over 340 pounds. But I kind of feel that way, right? Like I kind of feel like if you're,

especially if you're going to play tackle at the NFL level. Right. I'm almost like, dude, I want you 330 max. Maximum I want you 330. and you get some of these tackle prospects that are 350, 360, 370. Dude, you're like, you're just a, like, that's just more injury potential, in my opinion.

You're not, like, getting exponentially stronger. You're not getting tougher to move around. You're just, your conditioning's hurt, and you're maybe more prone to get hurt yourself. So, yeah, I'm with you. I think that what he shows up at, because he already, I think, is going to be a great athlete. The weight that he shows up at is going to be extremely important.

important for game proctor i agree and you know something i noticed with him is i think he does get a little tired sometimes at the end of games like down the stretch it's not it got a lot better this year i thought on the two thousand twenty four tape it was a bigger concern but it just a a little lighter for me i think would go a long ways for him and his stock and how he can move from an agility standpoint so and i i absolutely did provoke the chat with his height. I didn't mean to. Yeah, yeah, you did. Yep, I fell right into the trap.

Yeah, you were farming. You were farming there reluctantly. So my guy that I think has to have a good week, and we haven't done our offensive line episode yet, but you and I, in another chat that we have with the bootleg guys, so we were talking a little bit about this, and you and I are actually on the same page about this. And I think that Georgia offensive tackle Monroe Freeling has to have a really good week and stand out

athletically in a lot of different areas. Whether it's the on-field drills of how he's moving, the explosiveness drill, some of the agility drills. Because when I watched his tape from this past season, yeah, I think there's some nice building block things that are there. But if you're not betting on a really nice athlete, I don't know. I'm not in on him

in the first round outside of just buying into an offensive tackle prospect that you think can be a starter for you one day. And if that's the case and you say, hey, that's worth a first round pick for us. I get it. But I didn't give him a first round grade. I gave him a late second to early third round grade.

And so to me, he wasn't a super strong run defender. Or a run blocker. He wasn't moving guys off the ball against his will consistently. I think that what was best against his will, against their will consistently, what he did best is the fact that he is 6'7, 315 pounds, and he just moves very well.

It looks like his weight is really well distributed. It looks like he's very light on his feet. He's got a strong core. All of this goes into him looking like a very natural athlete. So he needs to test like a very natural athlete, especially for the height that he's getting. Because if he doesn't, I don't think there's a lot of tape that I loved for Monroe Freeling this past season.

So for him to get some early, well, it started with late first round hype. And now it's almost like mid first round hype. It feels like his name is just continuing to go up and up and up. He has to test really well athletically because I don't think the tape matches the first round projection for him right now. Yeah, we see eye to eye on him. I'm sure we'll have a deeper combo when we do the tackle rankings. So I don't want to give away too much here. But I'm with you all the way for that hype train to stay where it is at the back end around

one. This is also a big week for him because there's a lot of developmental aspects, but the raw ability is why teams would take him in the first round. Yep. All right, we'll move to defense. Let's move to defense. This one for, I have Cassius Howl upfront.

Cash is how. Future Buckingier. Thank you. Future Buck Great. Yeah. We already know with Cassius Howe what he can't overcome at the combine. And that is, which is in the spring, On a sheet that we have, his arm length is below 31 inches.

So, so are you ready for this conspiracy theory? Incorrect. Off measurements? Because this happens. I heard industry sources. Nice. Let him know. Industry sources that perhaps there was someone who is doing some of the summer measurements that was new at the job.

So this is that Rubin Bain has no. arms a year? And did and and perhaps and perhaps was not measuring as correctly as they might at the come. Okay. So do you think his arms are 33 inches? Depends if he's going to 15 to the Buccaneers. Because if I think that he's going 15 to the Buccaneers, yeah, I think he's got 33 and a half inch arms. If not, yeah, it's like 28 and a fourth. Cassius Al does not win with length. And he does not. He's 6-2 and an 8th. He's not small. Like, he's dense and muscled up.

But he does not, he has extremely limited length. I think even with the off measurements, he would still be more in the outlier aspect. He's not going to be this big, tough edge setter in the run game. But the dude is an absolute demon rushing the passer. And that's why the 10 yards split and the agilitys and the versatility and the verse. and the vert and the broad, he's got to light it up, dude. Because you got to be that premium athlete

because that's how he wins at the college level. Now you need to show that you have the athleticism to keep winning against the premium athletes that are NFL offensive tackles. I think he will. I think Cassius Hall is going to do really well for himself, and I'm excited for him too. But chats out of control.

You see Tom said, just put the height in the bag, bro. Yeah, that's the one that got me. Just put the measurements in the bag, bro. Oh, man. Oh, you guys are out of control. I'm totally with you, though. And I think he's going to test pretty well. Like, I speak, I too.

I don't know, I don't know what the 40 time is going to be like for him. Because if he's got shorter arms, there's a good chance that he's got what? Optimistic. fans said the Peter Dinklage of tape measurements. I just picture, I just pictured Tyrion measuring Ruben Bain's arms in the spring. Like in his little cloak and they bring out a step ladder. Oh my God. And Ruben Bain is like, what the hell?

And then him and Ruben Bain actually have the same arm length. It's crazy. That's how far you reached. Insane. They go back. They go. they go back to back and Peter Dinklage puts his arms out and Rubin Bain puts his arms out and it goes the same distance.

Oh man, it was all a sham. The entire process. Dude, Peter Dinklage has got to get out of acting. He's got to get on the edge, dude. The scout for the southeast. Natural leverage, all right? Can bend around the edge, can dip under the offensive tackle's arms. Yeah, it's all there for him.

It's all there for it. All right. So many sound, we found the cold open boys. There it is. No, but I think, I don't really care too much about the 40-yard dash for Cassius Howe, unless, of course, it's good, and then I care a lot. Yep, yep. But, with he, he's going top four.

With him having shorter arms, I wonder if his, like, I wonder if he's got just, like, a longer torso and, like, shorter legs as well, because, like, sometimes, like, if your limbs are just smaller, like, this is an issue with somebody I'm going to talk about. I'm spoiling it here, but, like, Tori and York. Like, Tori and York, I think he's, really explosive and quick, he just has super small strides. Like his strides aren't very long. So with Cassius Howe, if it's the same thing where his strides aren't very long,

then his 40-yard dash might not be super great because you're talking about him taking a lot of steps to get 40 yards down the field. But if his 10-yard split is excellent, then that's all you care about. Like the explosiveness and then the 10-yard split, that's all you got to really care about. And then obviously we've got to figure out if there's arm-length gate going on. And there's a there's somebody. trying to sabotage these good prospects here. My dearian Lannister.

Tyrion Lannister, yeah. My player that I think needs to have a very good showing is Peter Woods. Yeah. I think Peter Woods has to have a really good week in Indy because I think people are forgetting how good this guy is. He did not have a very impactful year this year when he was at Clemson, but there is something specific with him with, I think his pass rush grade was, I think his past rest grade was something like around like 68.4 or something. But then if you look at his pass rush grade

versus true past sets, so when he was actually allowed to pin his ears back in situations where it was true dropbacks, it went up to a 74.8. Usually like, okay, against true past sets, it might be a little bit higher, a little bit lower. Six whole points, grade. points is pretty big of a difference there, even with categorizing it as true past sets. So that that gives me confidence to say that, like, they just didn't put this guy in a lot of situations to rest the pastor this year. And they really didn't. Now, his snaps were he, when he lined up as a nose tackle, were the same as what they were last year. But his snaps specifically at defensive tackle, whether it was right or left defensive tackle, as well as

nose tackle were a lot higher. And in previous seasons, dude, they lined him up at four-eye. They lined him up at left and right end. They let him rush to stand up outside linebacker at times just because of how athletic he is. So Clemson really didn't put him in a situation to succeed as a pass rusher. And because of that, you see an 8% pass-rush win percentage there from him. But then look at the in-game athleticism score.

91.1 or 97.1. So that tells me that this dude's still going to test. pretty well this upcoming week. And he was in Feldman's freak list as well. Bench pressed 490. Geez. Did 34 reps of 225, squats over 700 pounds, a 486 40-yard dash, and vertical jump 33 inches. That's a really damn good athlete for an interior defense tackle. And I have started to see him slide down mock drafts into like 25, 26, 27. And we've talked about this guy as a top 10 player going into the year. And he didn't have a great year. But man, I think he reminds everybody at the combine of what he is capable of athletically. And we start to talk about him a lot

more as a top 15 pick after this week. I think it's a good call out because it does feel like Woods didn't live up to his 2024 tape. We all know that. But it feels like he's now being categorized as he was bad this year. When I agree with you, Trevor, he was not bad this year. And other guys who have been more front facing of this process are now passing him at an alarming rate in mock trends. And I don't, I think it's just swung too far one way. If he runs, by the way, if he runs a 4-8-6, like Feldman said he can, that's 93rd percentile for defensive tackles. Yeah. So like this dude is, I think, is going to showcase what kind of an athlete he is.

All right, moving over to the linebackers. You knew it was coming. You got to talk about Jacob Rodriguez, right? Yeah, yeah, that's true. You got to talk about Jacob Rodriguez. Who does not need to light up the track? I want to make this very clear. Jacob Rodriguez has the instincts and toughness

that can make up for mediocre speed and burst. The question is, is he going to run? Is he going to run at the combine? Or is he going to wait for the, the pro day, what kind of athlete is he going to test as? Now, this is someone who, you know, before transferring to Texas Tech played basically every skill spot on offense. Yeah. So let's not act like he's out here with like zero percent of athleticism. I think it's, but it's just a matter of is he going to put those concerns to bed? Because the pedigree, the resume,

speaks for itself where he's been, he's been lost in this class. Like you have, you have Jake Golda getting more hype. There's a lot of linebackers that have passed him. Like the Josiah Trotter conversation. But Rodriguez, he's been more productive than anybody in this class of what he did this year. And he's gotten so much better year after year

after moving the linebacker a couple of years ago. So once again, for Jacob Rodriguez, I don't need him to test as a good athlete. If he's an average one, I think he'll go on day two pretty easy. easily. You think? Yeah, if he's average.

But if he has to kind of hide from doing stuff there and the pro day, I think teams reservations will only grow in that regard. I'm looking up linebackers in his class because I know that there's a lot of them. So Sony style, C.J. Allen, Josiah Trotter. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a weird one because you and I think he's a linebacker, but there's a larger combo there. Right.

But then honestly, like, we did a linebacker episode. Like, Arville Reese, if you want to throw Arvill Reese in there, it's like, okay, Arville Reese, Sunny Style, C.J. out. Like, those are the three locks. But after that, I think there's going to be some teams with Jacob Rodriguez as LB4, you know? It'd be interesting what they think.

I think so, too. But Gold Day, like, doesn't even play linebacker, really. Right? Like, he played that weird ass overhang position that, like, does not translate. to the NFL super well, unless you have this really flexible defense and a nickel base. But even then, man, I could see a lot of teams be like, nah, that ain't a linebacker. When they look at Jake Golda and they look at Jacob Rodriguez.

And like you said, if he tests as an average athlete, I think he certainly got a chance to be a day two player. Yes, I agree with you there. So my linebacker that I wanted to shout out is Tori in York. I sort of, I teased it a little bit a couple of minutes ago. We were talking about Cassius Howl, his teammate. And the reason why Tori and York has to have a really good combine is because there is so much to love about this player. He is just outlier small. Like, he has been a starter at Texas A&M since his true freshman season.

Mike Elko called him one of the smartest players that he has ever coached. He talks about how his film study is second to none. The way that they talk about this dude, he is a pro already. he's a multi-team captain despite only being a junior this past season. He is making calls of the line scrimmage. He is the green dot guy who's making all the calls from the coaching staff to the rest of the team. He is making the adjustments. His anticipation is phenomenal.

The problem is at the Shrine Bowl, he measured in at 5 foot 10 and a half, 332 pounds, and his arm length was super short as well. I think his height was like third percentile. His arm length was like first percentile of linebackers. Now the weight was a little bit better. It was like 30th percentile, but still, man, this is just a really small player. And he's going to check every intangible box.

He really is. But I was talking with a good friend of the show, John Ledyard, about linebackers because he was running through linebackers recently. And I told him to watch York. And when he initially had his takeaways from York, he's like, John was like, I think he's slow. And I was like, you do? because I didn't think that he was slow

and we went back and we watched a couple of clips together and he was pointing out how even though he flips his hips and he moves quick like he is lightning quick I can see where John's coming from because he getting from point A to point B to cut the running back off before they hit the rushing lane

before they hit the sideline is difficult for him. So it's a little bit of an optical illusion of how fast his body is moving. You kind of think he's a little bit faster than he is. Now, what's interesting is that he has a track background. Now, it's not like a super standout track background. You know, a 2452 200 meter dash isn't like the fastest number that you're ever going to see.

And a 12-0-2-100 meter dash, again, like, it's not like it's something crazy. but he at least has a track background to him. So there is so much to love about Tori and York. Is he fast enough? Is he an athlete enough? I just wonder what his 40-yard dash is because right now I could see a team considering Tori and York

even with his small measurables to be a mid-round pick. I think third round's at best, but maybe more comfortably early day three. If he doesn't run super well, Connor, I mean, he might go undrafted. Like he might be a seventh round pick and he might be somebody that teams just go, hey, we love you as a leader and as a locker room as a special teams guy, but how early are you drafting that, you know?

Reminds me of Poup Paul last year in that regard. Yeah, a little bit, yes. Pupol was a little taller. He was a shade under 6-1. And he went on drafted, right? He went in the fifth round, but he got cut by the Rams. Oh, okay, that's why I thought he got undraft. He went undrafted because, yeah.

And that was like, like, Pupol was not. being talked about as a fifth rounder, but he had first percentile arm length, and he ran a four, six, three, 40, which isn't slow, but it's, if you're going to be undersized by a large margin, the chest, maturity of eight-year-olds today. I can't, man. Never doing a Sunday show ever again. Go back to school. Colin just said poop, L of A. You're all in timeout. I can't, yeah, I can't do it. We're shutting it off. Christopher. Christopher is his legal name, by the way, guys. Christopher

is his legal name. Yeah, but then they would make actual Chris Paul jokes from the NBA. There's just no appeasing this crew. That's true. That's actually true. All right, DB. Well, hold on. Before you get to DB. No, I want to do the DB. Okay, all right. I'm just kidding. Okay, go ahead. All right.

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DB, my guy, Emmanuel McNeil Warren, falls in the line of Jacob Rodriguez, is you don't have to be fast. You just can't be really slow. That's actually, yeah, that's a really good, that's a really good group. Maybe we need to,

maybe we need to get together and just have like a group of those guys to tweet out before Thursday of just, you don't have to be fast, you just can't be slow. That's it, man. that's it. You just got to clock in a threshold.

So, Emmanuel McNeill Warren, like he, he's going to start winning the day when he measures in. He's got long arms. He's big. The tape is great.

Yeah, was he listed at? And he listed like 6.3? Yeah, which that would, that would surprise me. But, well,

let's see what Tyrion Lannister measured him as. In the Springs, six three and three-eight's. He's almost six full. Wait. Whoa, I just realized I said that out. Like that... 6.3 and 3.8s.

He's almost 6.4. 6338s, 209. 32 and 3 8th arms. Yeah, he's a big dude. That's legit. Yeah, he's a... TD's saying the Derwin James of Mike Evans. Yeah.

Done. Licking the duck. Sure. That's the comp. You win, TD. Once again, like, when you're that, size, run a 4-5-5? Yeah, what would 4-5-5 be?

Let me look. Because safety's different, man. Safety's different, especially a player like this, that he kind of causes destruction at the line of scrimmage. Yeah, dude. He reminds me a lot of like Trayvon Merrig at his best. We're like Trayvon-Merry. That's right.

Trevon-Mirig has some plays where he's just hair on fire coming downhill. Pure destruction down here. I would take a 4-5-5 for me. Manuel McNeil-Morne. 4-5-5 for safeties would be, drum-roll, please. 58th percentile. Wow. And he's bigger than a lot of those dudes.

You know ball. Thank you. Done. Yeah, no, but in all seriousness, like this is someone that once again, he's already passed the test on tape. He's already going to pass the test on the measurements. If he's average testing scores because of how big he is,

he's the king of the, the RAS matters so much more than the raw data. Like his 4-5-5 looks so different than a safety that's 5-10-190 running a 4-4-5. That's the point with him. As all these defenses are looking to be more multiple and bigger, especially in nickel and dime, and this is one of those players that can grant you that. I'm not going to call him Nicky Manworry from last year,

but when you want to go down the pathway of these unique DBs, He's going to fit that bill. Yeah, I don't, I don't think he's as athletic as he's not going to be as crazy as he And doesn't have the hype. But you, I think he can do a lot of different things for you, especially as a downhill defender. I did his full scouting report a couple of days ago. And I just, I really love any time that he's got the freedom to trigger downhill. And that's the case with a lot of guys in this class, like even some more of the coverage

safety, because I haven't broken up into like coverage safeties, box safeties, even for the coverage safeties. You could be a too high coverage safety, but if you've got the ability to play in those robber roles and just come downhill, I mean, he had, how many force fumbles? Nine. Oh, God. I think he has nine force fumbles in his career,

and I think he has five interceptions and a really high force and completion percentage from him as well. I remember when I watched him over the summer, I can't remember, did you like him over the summer? I didn't. McNeil Warren? Yes. I don't think I watched him.

Okay. Because we never did a safety show. I watched him. We never did a safety show? No, I only watched the top like five guys. Like Camari Ramsey, obviously, Caleb Downs. I don't think you and I did a safety show. Oh, okay.

Slacking. That's why the chat is always like, you guys are so overdue on safeties, which you're right, we need to do a safety show. Yes, but selfishly Trev, Trevor was ready. I got to give him his flowers. I wanted to wait for the combine. For what?

All the measurements and testing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because safety is it's really important. With DB is it's important. We need to know who these dudes are as athletes. I want to make sure I don't miss anyone. Yeah. Like, you just, it's one of those groups where it's like, I'd be really disappointed if we did a show and I missed one guy

that should really be broken down. So that's part of it. Dustwall said Costco Cam Chancellor. Costco's great. Yeah, I don't think I'd go that far. Because I thought about Cam Chancellor for him, but it's also really hard. It's really hard for me to compare anybody to Cam Chancellor

because the game is different, right? Like, it's hard for me to compare anybody to Deshawn Goldston for the same reason, right? You just don't have these enforcers anymore because the rules in the NFL, you can't even be that player anymore. So, no. The Bob Sanders special. Yeah, essentially.

Yeah, destruction. Yeah, John Lynch, who's prime, to be honest with you, Brian Dawkins over the middle. Oh, God. You just, there's not a, it's just a different game now. So, yeah, anyways. Somebody said cowards, of course.

Yeah, yeah. My DB that I think has to have a good week. Connor, I don't know. Have you started watching corners yet? Yes. And you know I like Colton Hood. I think Colton Hood's got to have a good week. Are you worried about his long speed?

I'm kind of just worried. worried about his consistency. He is one of those players where I watched him in the middle of the year this year because I didn't have him on my radar at all before going into this season. And then I watch a couple of games of him from the first half of the year. And his best plays are really nice. I mean, he could be aggressive in press coverage. He could be strong in press coverage. I think that he's good in off coverage as well. He's got a couple of plays where when he reads it right, man, he hits it fast. He hits it confidently. He's either making a play on the ball as it arrives at the wide receiver or sometimes, I think a lot of his interceptions

and most of his forced incompletions come from that off coverage deployment as well so he could just fire downhill when he sees it correctly. So when you look at the best of Colton Hood, it does look really good. And I felt that was the same way with him at the Senior Bowl, where Colton Hood's best plays were some of the best of any cornerback in the group. But it was more of an up and down week than I thought it was going to be for him. And I thought that the more I watched his tape to do his final evout, it was a lot more up and down than I wanted it to be. And Hood is somebody who has just one year of full-time starting experience. He redshirted his first year when he was at Auburn.

He only started one game for Colorado the previous season. And this year he started all of the games for Tennessee. But he's one year as a first-time starter. And to me, when I watched him, he's, I think. that the tape shows a player who is much more of a day two pick that you hope to develop into a full-time starter but in my opinion if you draft this guy in the first round and want him to start year one right away i think you might be in trouble and so to me when it comes to his draft stock because dude i've seen mocks where he's going 13 to the ramps that's that's really rich you know

love him as the end of the round one like i've had seattle take him there and so i could start I could certainly start to understand that, especially for teams that are really trying to reload a cornerback. I can get that. But for him to maintain that first round caliber corner status, I think he's got to test super well, especially because when I watched him on tape, I thought he had great size overall. I thought that he was a big, long corner, long arms, all of that. but the senior bowl measurements for him, 511 and 3 4th, it's 56 percentile, weight was just 190 pounds, which is 39th percentile,

hand size was only 28th percent out, and his arm length, which I thought was going to be a big plus, it's fine, it's 54th percent out, it's right in the middle, but I thought that he was going to have a little bit more of a length advantage with the way that he plays. So to me, all of that's taking into account some inconsistencies from his film, the measurables once they were official at the senior bowl, I think he's got to test pretty well athletically

or I think you just start to see a lot more of the inconsistencies as tape sort of define who he is as a prospect which 81.1 in-game athleticism score this past season it makes you feel like he's got a chance to be a good athlete but I think he needs to be to keep in that round one conversation. Yeah, because he's not the biggest corner and you're right, he hasn't played a ton.

I think I like him a little bit more than you but it's a fair point to go like, hey, let's not get too far over our skis here. because it's still a developing player. It is wild when you think that Dions let him and Jordan Tyson walk out of that program. Like that is pretty wild. That's what I always think when I hear back. I'm like, man, he was at Colorado.

He was at Colorado. You know, and they kind of paid the price for that this year, it feels like. But yeah, I'm with you. The Combine, you said it before we even started this group. For DBs, the Combine, if there's something you want to be a stickler with thresholds for, 40s for corners, man. there's a number out there where like a lot of corners just don't overcome it. 40 time wise.

It's probably around like a 462, I want to say. You look at history and these are people that you're into evaluating and you want to get into analytical thresholds and actually like ones that are a little less controversial. That's a really interesting one to start with. Do your deep dive on the history of corners that have run slower than I think around a 462. And the list is extremely short of guys that have made it in the NFL. and the problem is the teams that have bet on the outliers in the first two rounds are often, you know, the bust rate is very high.

And by the way, this isn't a Colton Hood combo. This is a combo about the group at large. Right. TD in the chat is saying, I think Chris Johnson, the corner from San Diego State, needs to run sub four, five at a combine. I don't think he's going to. I don't think so either. I thought he got beat over the top of the senior ball a lot.

Yeah. I was really hoping for more of the senior bowl for him. I think he is an excellent. excellent, very smart, instinctual off-coverage corner. But when you put him in press man situations, I think he really struggles to keep up with that mirror and recovery speed. So I think the 40 is huge for Chris Johnson, but I just don't think he hits a number that you're going to be super happy with.

Igbenosin would be another one for me. I think he'll test pretty well athletically. Yeah, I think the play speed isn't always where I would hope, but I'm curious. He's just. he's just like late to anticipate stuff and that's why you see all the grabbing. That's why you see all the grabbing from him.

So yeah, I wonder how he tests, but I think there's a chance that he could test pretty well. We've got some super chats to get to. There we go. Yeah. We'll get to those in the after the episode portion of the show here. But we would love to hear from you guys. Who do you think must have a good combine?

Obviously we're recording this bad boy here as a special edition weekend episode of the show. So we got a couple of days before they hit. hit the field. Combine week starts on Tuesday with a lot of the interviews for coaches and general managers and things like that, but we don't start to see the players on the field until Thursday. So we got a couple of days. We would love to hear you in the comments, who you think has to have a big combine and why or call your shot on guys that you think are going to have a big combine. We'd love to hear from you in the comment section. Also in the NFLSE Discord. If you guys aren't

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So get in the Discord and vote for which merch you would like to see and then we'll start to design those, you know, put pre-orders on the website. see if we get a lot of pre-orders for them and then fulfill them and make them happy for you guys or make them happen for you guys we have combine week and then when i am back on thursday i think for our post combine mock draft episode that is when i am going to officially drop the hats for you guys dude we've had these hats for like a month and a half and it's just been the worst timing being able to get these to you guys but um the hats will go live i will restock the shop

all that good stuff. That will happen at the end of this week. And then we could really get rolling with merch because we'll refill the hats after that. If they sell well, we're obviously having the votes for you guys to vote on which kind of merch that you want. And, yeah, I've already gotten a sneak peek of some of them.

They're incredible. So make sure that you guys vote, let your voice be heard. And we'll create the merch that you guys would like to wear. So yeah, there we go. Connor, anything else before we get out of here. No, you and I are off to combine. get there when I get there.

I know you will be back, you know, towards the end of the week, as I'll be back later than that, and then we'll have another. We'll have a show up on the feed as soon as we can. We don't know what that looks like yet. Yeah, we'll transparency. We'll both be a conversation. We'll try to do a show.

I would like to get a show in with you, especially in person because there are a lot of fun. But we just, I don't know when that would be. So we'll try to figure it out with both of our schedules. We will try to make that happen. but yeah, we'll try to have one episode next week, but then at the very least, we'll have the post-combine stuff

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