NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 140. Breaking Down Daniel Jeremiah's 2023 Mock Draft

Episode Date: January 25, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers go through NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah's 2023 mock draft 1.0 with analysis for all 31 picks

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode we got a treat Daniel Jeremiah one of our favorite scouting personalities that we have in this business he released his 1.0 mock draft for the 2023 season so we're gonna go over it we're gonna talk about where he has

certain players in the order and let me remind you guys dj is one of those plugged in guys in the business he's one of the best out there so where certain players are in a mock draft for him even in january goes a long way so we're gonna have a lot of conversation about that the fits so much more i'm trevor sycamore with me as as always is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers joining you in the middle of the week, which means it's time to dive in to Daniel Jeremiah's 1.0 mock draft. We teased it. We said we were going to do it.

And here it is. Connor, I feel like you and I have done so many mock drafts over the last month. Take a look outside the NFL SE walls. Let's see what other people are talking about. Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network. He's one of our favorite guys in this business. And he recently put out his mock draft 1.0. So we're going to go through it.

All 31 picks. Made sure to get that right. Shout out Miami Dolphins. But I So we're going to go through it. All 31 picks. Made sure to get that right. Shout out Miami Dolphins. But I think it's going to be a good time, buddy. How are you doing today? I'm good, man. This is a good concept because I think people like to see other perspectives and talk about reactions to them. And I love how loyal our listeners are.

But I also have the awareness to know that I would say at least 90% of them probably consume other draft content. And yeah, gasp. So, and I'm sure somebody like Daniel Jeremiah or the Dane Bruglers of the world, personally to me, I mean, I'll come out and say like probably the two guys on top of this business right now. They're, you know, the highest consumed in, I think, our audience. So this is a really good mock to bring to the table. And we've had Dane on to talk about his already, which is amazing that we're able to sit down with Dane and discuss that. And he's been on the show a couple of times. But, you know, with DJ, he's transparent that a lot of these picks or at least some of these picks are what he's hearing

or how to feel out what departments like or what they need or what they deem as a fit so it's there'll be names on here where you go what but when you tap into the process i think it's good for you and i uh to get out of our little shell here and see what other scenarios are on the table. Yeah, of course. Look, obviously, I was gasping with plenty of sarcasm. We love reading other people's work. We obviously do our own scouting rankings, and we try to make sure that it's our point of view,

that we're not taking it too much from other people. But DJ's fantastic. Like you said, Dane's fantastic. There's so many great analysts in this business who are bringing in their scouting eye or sometimes just their insider information. And DJ is a really good blend of both. So anytime DJ puts out a mock, I always pay attention. I always read it.

If you guys out there are really into the draft, make sure that you go read it as well. And you can follow along in this podcast. It's on NFL.com. I think you could check it out. It'll be pretty easy to search. They love mock drafts over there. So you can go through this as we are going through this.

And you can let us know what you think after the podcast. Comment on the YouTube channel. And I think that'd be a good way to have a good conversation about the things that we're learning from DJ's first mock draft. We can just start it out right away. We just, without further ado, this mock draft. Obviously, the Chicago Bears are picking number one overall. started out right away we just without further ado this mock draft obviously the chicago bears are picking number one overall and a lot of the conversations that you and i connor have had here on this podcast is that chicago likely can't make this pick and yeah dj does have chicago staying at

one i think he probably is of the mindset that you and I have been in previous years where it's like, hey, it's January. I'm not going to have a trade for a mock draft in January, even though we think it's kind of necessary. DJ didn't do that in this one. So he is Jalen Carter, Georgia's interior defensive tackle, going number one overall. And his little blurb, we won't read the blurbs for all of them. You guys can read that if you want. But he says, I'm sure the Bears would love to trade out of this pick.

If that option isn't available or the offer fails to meet their asking price, Carter would be an immediate difference maker on all three downs. I do disagree that there would be any reality where really they don't feel like they can get a good deal for number one. I just feel like there's too many good teams. There are too many teams that need good quarterbacks, you will so i do think that a deal will be on the table where they could take it but what do you think about carter being number one overall here in this mock honor well the talent certainly fits the bill right and i think this is a good ground floor to lay because it is very hard to draw up trades in january that you see because

then you kind of the problem was or not to speak for dj but to one you know to kind of go inside they've done this process then it changes the rest of the mock draft the trickle effect has an impact on everything else and you without you know narrowing it down it can make things very convoluted and difficult so just sticking it here for the bears and picking um we know they would go defense or we've assumed they would go defense i think it would be down to will anderson and jaylen carter and i mean carter has all the talent i think when you look at just talent him and will anderson would be side by side it comes down to what the bears need to prioritize the interior

their d-line or the edge pass rush they need both now. So it's just hard to sit here at Trevor and be like, I don't know about this one. Like if the bears sit at that pick and take Jalen Carter, Jalen Carter is going to be a high impact, early impact kind of player that can build your defense from the ground up, give you a centerpiece on your defense that has a direct a to B path to the quarterback can help stop the run uh and it's a superstar talent so i don't think this is crazy at all no no no and and

for the bears you know i i like the card or not just because of how unbelievably dominant he's been over the last couple of last couple of seasons here on some championship defenses and when you look at the bears defensive line yeah i don't think trevis gibson or dominique robinson would stop you from taking will anderson if the bears really believed will anderson was the best prospect in this class but at the same time if you draft a jalen carter you go oh okay that we got two edge rushers that maybe we like that are promising that are coming into their own now we've got an interior presence that we love so maybe you're rounding out the defensive line a little bit more there so just wanted wanted to point out Jalen Carter being at number one,

probably won't spend as much time as we did there on, on all the picks we'll bounce around a little bit. But number two, overall, this is one that's kind of obvious. If a quarterback doesn't go number one, he's got Bryce young going number two to the Houston Texans. I don't know.

Do you have thoughts on this one here? Like you said, it feels pretty chalk here with, with Bryce. My thoughts are, the question will be, what if know do you have thoughts on this one here like you said it feels pretty chalk here with with Bryce my thoughts are the question will be what if they do not get to number one and what if a quarterback this quarterback is gone when they get there other than that this conversation doesn't matter because yeah this pick would probably be Bryce Young at number two um my quick take Trevor is that if Bryce Young was gone and they are sitting at two and they are fixated on getting a quarterback, and I still will throw out there,

I would not be surprised to see the Texans explore the veteran market so they're not pigeonholed into taking one here in the worst-case scenario. I think they would take Will Levis instead of C.J. Stroud. So that's a really interesting scenario to keep an eye on. Who did – oh, he had – okay, so D.J.'s got Will Levis going next. We'll get to that in a second at four not three yeah yeah sorry didn't mean to didn't know where's throw people off there but uh yeah i i i just don't know enough about it yet you know we're we are getting into

the very beginning of uh intel season if you will where shrine bowls coming up this weekend senior bowls coming up next weekend, Combine's a month from then. And that's really the time in which you get to talk to a lot of people who might have some inside sources with what teams are thinking. And to be honest with you, teams probably haven't made decisions themselves yet. So there's maybe not even information to know at this point,

but I really do believe a month, month and a half from now, we're going to have a better idea of what the league thinks of will have a cj stroud that debate specifically with the houston texans if bryce young does go number one who their guy might be then at number two overall because i agree with you i think they're going to go quarterback no trades in this mock so arizona cardinals are not going anywhere at number three overall. DJ's got them going Will Anderson. Again, I think this is pretty chalk. You could flip Will Anderson and Jalen Carter in this exact scenario, and I think it probably plays out the exact same. One of them goes one, one of them goes three.

If you're not having trades in a mock draft, I think that this is the avenue that makes the most sense. I think so, too. I think when you look at it, they're viewed as the two best players in the draft right now i think i'll say it right now i guess we just do we just go there or do you want to talk about levis at four before we go to the players at five and six um so levis is going for like i said he dj dj having levis is qB2, I think is significant. In the mock. I don't know about his rankings.

Right, right. Because DJ is always somebody who says, I do rankings with my eyes. I do mock drafts with my ears. And I think that that's a really good tool, especially for us in the media. We blend that a little bit more because we're more front facing, I guess with our scouting process and our rankings and everything,

like we put out big boards and player rankings and all that. We do that so much throughout the season. DJ doesn't do that as often as we do. So I think it's a little bit more front facing for us. So when we do mock drafts, especially early mock drafts, we do a lot of them with like kind of a, what we would do flavor.

But once you get to this part of the year especially once we get into february march and april specifically you do want to start doing mock drafts from the sense of this is what i think will happen not necessarily what i would do and just as a strategy that he has for mock drafts, Levis going number four overall in this mock for anybody out there that might be saying, Oh, that's crazy. Levis would never go that high. It's, I don't know if he's going to go number four overall, but all I'm saying is it ain't nearly as far fetched as whatever statistics

that you're going to pull out to say, look at how he did not play well enough over the last two years. Cause the NFL clearly likes this guy a lot. I mean, come on. I, yeah, it's,

it's happening people. I mean, it's happening. Will Levis is nearing a lock to be a top five pick comfortably in the top 10. He's nearing a lock to go in the top five and as yeah i didn't mean to cut you off but i was just gonna say as we have said for a while here on this podcast sadly will levis is already a cult you know levis has been a cult for months

trevor the line in here that stuck out to me which is why i said that exact line colts gm chris ballard has always valued traits and upside yeah that's love it hate it that's his evaluation process yep that's will levis traits and upside traits and upside so and all logic there uh which moves us to five and six the reason i was so you know adamant about getting to these guys is we've had so many conversations around Jalen Carter and Will Anderson being the top players in this draft that so five was Tyree Wilson edge to the Seahawks. We will revisit that in a second in one second. Six to the Lions was Devon Witherspoon, the cornerback out of Illinois that you and I have been significantly high on.

We chat him as our number one corner. He's kind of exploded the last week. It's like everybody watched Devon Witherspoon at once. And DJ putting him as the top corner off the board is just as big as a statement as Levis being the second quarterback off the board because it's a crowded corner group loaded with talent. And I think we are reaching the point where the conversation with Witherspoon is going to, when you look at the impact a guy like Sauce Gardner had for the Jets,

a guy like JC Horn and Patrick Sertain II have had on their teams from two years ago. I think the conversation is, is Witherspoon's potential impact that far off from Jalen Carter and Will Anderson? And I do think there's a gap there. I really do. But I do think we have fully reached the point of the conversation where he's going to be viewed as that kind of player. And this is just a dream fit in in terms of where what he can do for the detroit lions that have a massive need at cornerback and they land in my opinion this is

just another gyre alexander going to that division an absolute stud yeah i wonder if we're going to start to see a shift in mock drafts over the next couple of months because look i don't i don't want to necessarily call this edge class like a bad edge class but i've i've been thinking about this a lot over the last couple of weeks i think it's overinflated right now like miles murphy being a guaranteed top five pick tyree wilson being a guaranteed top 10 pick these are guys that I feel like should be going much later in the draft now I will also say on the flip side players have to get selected in a mock right like players have to get selected in the NFL draft you can't you can't say well I I would draft this guy in the 20s well if there aren't 20 players in this specific draft class

that are better than that player, then no, you wouldn't. You're going to draft them higher because somebody's got to get selected with every single pick. So maybe just the necessity of where this class might be might push the edge rushers up the board. But I bring up all of this to say, I feel like I agree with you. The corner class feels like the one that might close the gap between will anderson and jalen carter and then whoever is next on the defensive side

of the ball as opposed to forcing a tyree wilson forcing a miles murphy maybe forcing a brian brazee something like that so sure that's kind of that's where I am with all of this is I, I think talent wise, we're a lot closer to the cornerback class being the stronger one than necessarily the edge rushers, even though we know that the league is just going to draft a lot of these guys. So I just wanted to kind of Tyree Wilson sitting right there at five. And look,

I definitely agree with where DJ is coming from. Tyree Wilson feels like a Seahawks type of player, right? Really nice athlete, uniquely built, big, long, tall guy. You can use him in a variety of different situations on the line. You can use him all the way from a wide nine, even to inside. You know, you kick him inside at three tech and make life hell for some interior offensive lineman at times, if you want to get creative on passing downs but the fifth overall player in this class it's hard for me

you remember i didn't even have tyree wilson as a top five edge when we went through edge no and i haven't very skeptical and i haven't even i haven't even watched all the edge rushers that i want to get to watch in this class so that that's why it's, I just kind of wanted to get that off my chest. Seeing again, Tyree Wilson up in the top five. I'm not so sure we end up there. That's where we are right now in mock draft culture, in the mock draft ecosystem, as it stands in the end of-

Mock draft culture is, I like that. That might be a show. I wonder if we ever do, if we ever get into merch, maybe we get into mock draft culture. Mock draft culture. So that's what I just wanted to say is that I feel like we might be in for a little bit of a switching of priority of edges going a little bit further down in mock draft and corners getting prioritized a little bit more. Seems a little bit more common to see guys like Christian Gonzalez and Devon Witherspoon in the top 10 instead.

Sure. I mean, absolutely. You have Witherspoonpoon that kind of brings me to my take I'll just jump in here while we're having the conversation he didn't have a corner going till 16 after this and no he had Joey Porter Jr. at 12 I miss Porter Porter goes 12th okay porter goes 12th christian gonzalez goes 16th i mean this is a super nitpicky thing here i think gonzalez is going earlier than that it just goes to i mean it just goes to show you that i'm just backing up your point the corners are going to go in this draft and they're probably going to start to go at six maybe at five although i'm pretty convinced that he's on it with Seattle,

getting a front seven player. Pete Carroll did come out and basically say that, but witherspoon to the lions or a corner to the lions. I mean, he has the, I'll take us to the Raiders taking Skowronski. The Raiders can easily take a corner. They could easily take an interior D line.

Their off season is going to dictate so much of where they go. That Skowronski man, this man, he's worthy of this selection. It's tricky, right? It's really tricky. Can you see the Raiders running things back with that defense? It was borderline not competitive for much of the year, where I don't know if they can take Skowronski here as much as I'm sure they'd love to have him.

Yeah. I mean, they pass on Miles Murphy, both corners in Porter Jr. and Christian Gonzalez. Well, Brzezinski is really late in this mock, so I'll save that conversation. But it was just interesting to me. The Raiders are in a very unique spot, in my opinion. I think they need offensive linemen the most. They do. No, they do.

Does that give them the biggest impact, and is that going to tempt them? I think it depends whoever's playing quarterback for them. If they have Jimmy G, or if they have Derek Carr, or if they have Tom Brady. Then this almost becomes a bigger deal. Or Aaron Rodgers. Then, yeah, all of a sudden sudden you're probably drafting an offensive tackle but so is this giving away something is this telling you essentially that the the raiders well the raiders gotta do something they have to do something because their car is getting traded

right yeah right i think we will know a lot more about exactly what the raiders might need when car gets traded and for what. Whatever that price ends up being, how much they can get back for Derek Carr, I think we figure out a lot more about what they might want. Because they could be in the quarterback market too. I don't think CJ Stroud's still on the board at this point, right? Stroud goes nine to the Panthers. So clearly he has them stepping over CJ Stroud he says in CJ Stroud's blurb um

Stroud is big strong accurate he flashed some creativity and playmaking against George's defense and that was a pleasant surprise for evaluators yes I guess talking pretty positively of stroud if you thought that the if you thought that the raiders were going to be in on a quarterback gonna need to be in on a quarterback why wouldn't you have gone seven and look i'm not you know i do we don't need to we don't need to put dj too much under a micascope but we're just building off some conversations here of what could be i still think i just think mcdaniels has no interest in developing a rookie no interest at all do you do you think that he doesn't have that because he got burned with tebow like he had his chance to pick his guy and not saying that

tebow went number one overall that year but like he went out on a limb went and got his guy with tebow and it absolutely crashed and burned on him. Good question. I just wonder. You always have to wonder those things. I wonder if he's still burned from it. I wonder if he's like, no, I'm not messing with that again. I don't want to be the one that picks a quarterback.

Maybe. Number eight, he has Lucas Van Ness, the edge rusher from Iowa. We have not talked about Van Ness yet because we did the edge rush show and he was one of those guys that nobody knew if he was going to declare. When an Iowa guy is pushing it to the brink, they almost never come out. This happens all the time.

They almost never come out. So I threw my hands up and I was like, I'm not using all of this time to watch this guy do the whole show with him in it and then he goes back to school right well it came out so we will talk about lucas van ness i will dive very deeply into his film um obviously a guy loaded up with traits and talent and if you read any mock i know dane had him very early very very early a while a while ago i mean this this guy's going early this guy's going early he just has that kind of makeup and traits and dj wrote in this he's going to test very well in the spring i mean eight to the falcons is the earliest i think i've seen but i think the point

is this type of player him and tyree wilson those type of players that are traits based edge pass rushers they're going in the top 15 again it just just tyree wilson sitting there at five lucas van Van Ness going eight, it makes me think that this edge rush class isn't as good as maybe people boasted it to be just because there are a lot of names to know. Like just because there are a lot of names that you know in the edge rush class, that doesn't necessarily make it a great class. It might just be you can recognize a lot of these names. And when I see a guy like Lucas Van Ness, sure, I think that the potential is there.

Before this podcast, I didn't do a full deep dive on him, but I wanted to get a little bit familiar with him because I knew that we'd be talking about him with him going eight overall. So I popped on the Ohio State game. So I watched the Ohio State game of him. And then I watched a handful of key plays about him that we have in our database throughout the season. He's 6'5", 275 pounds, explosive, powerful as hell.

He's just not a lot of experience, man. No, no, no. He redshirted his first year. Second year, he barely played. This year, he really didn't even play this much. He wasn't a full-time starter even this year. No.vor i was floored when he came out not because of lack of talent because we've seen this song and dance from this school before so i mean he his game his i i won't say his game his style and how he wants to win reminds me of like say what george

karloftis was last year because George Karloftis was that that bull power type of player he turned speed to power he just run power to power right and he would just get up in your face bull rush you all the way back into the lap of the quarterback that's exactly what Lucas Van Ness likes to do but the difference is Karloftis' pass rush profile and his pass rush IQ just because of his experience was so much more advanced and Karloftis' pass rush profile and his pass rush IQ, just because of his experience, was so much more advanced. And Karloftis' hands were so much faster, so much more precise, so much more violent. And Karloftis didn't go until, what was it, 30?

Whatever it was to the Kansas City Chiefs. And we're drafting Lucas Van Ness at eight? It's a little bit different because Lucas Van Ness is a little bit bigger. He's a little bit longer, but man, when I see a name like Lucas Van Ness in the top 10, that's what makes me go shoot. This edge class is going to be,

there's, there's a decent amount of risk to this edge class. You can convince yourself that these guys have highs. You can convince yourself on the flashes and say, wow, look at the tools of some of these edge rushers. But don't, it's not, this edge class is not home runs. I would just say that. It is not home runs.

There's definitely a decent amount of projection with this edge rush class. So I just wanted to say that as well. No, you're all over it. There's a ton of projection. I mean, think about the three guys that live in the top 15 miles murphy tyree wilson and now lucas van ness all of them all of them all of them are project guys here let me uh let me just let me research something if you want to if you want to chat it up here for 30 seconds,

and this number will just kind of show that. And yes, what I'm about to say is a very surface-level take. But go ahead. I was going to say, so I don't want to take his take away, but John Ledyard, who is one of my favorite scouting minds that's in whatever you want to call it, internet scouting community. We were going back and forth a little bit because he's watching edge rushers right now.

And he was showing me a handful of clips of Miles Murphy. And a couple of them were for games that I haven't watched, but like he's showing Miles Murphy getting like absolutely blown off the ball. And he's like, dude, I can see the flashes, but like there is, don't think you're getting a high floor with miles murphy because his tape's kind of all over the place that was because that was the thing about trayvon walker

right sure he didn't have a pass rush profile but trayvon walker is a bull is so violent in the run game this dude you knew the the floor was so high with trayvon walker a lot of people were going to talk about and we've talked about on this show before comparing the conversations with Miles Murphy and how high he's going to go to the projection conversations that we have with Trayvon Walker. But, but Murphy's not even the run defender that Walker was. He's not even close.

So instead you're literally just betting on a guy's athletic profile and he might have an incredible athletic profile. I think that he does, but still, man, it's it's a different this class is different there's there's a lot more risk to this edge edge rush class than i think even we were leading on to believe the more that i'm kind of studying these guys over the last couple of weeks well and we like them that's the thing but you have to like them for what they are and so i found what i was going for actually worked out perfectly by the way okay so all three of those guys feel pretty safe they're they're all probably going in the top 15 van ness miles murphy tyree

wilson and this is this is very surface level where i'm going even we'll say top 20 to set the bar low. None of them played in the SEC. All three of them, their highest single season sack total was seven. All three of them. Van Ness had seven in 2021. Miles Murphy had seven in 2021.

Tyree Wilson had seven in both 2021 and 2022. It's sacks and it's a very surface level thing to go. They 2022. It's sacks. And it's a very surface level thing to go. They never reached double digit sacks. Really didn't come close. Production matters. Production matters.

But you can sit here and go all three of them, top 15 guys who we like. They have great traits. They can do a lot of great things. The right coaching. They have massive bus potential, massive. And all three of them are going really, really really early which brings you back to the point i don't see that same bus potential

spectrum with witherspoon gonzalez um there's plenty of players we can go down the list here but porter jr i didn't see that necessarily i. at least is a starter for you on the outside. Right. So it's interesting, man. It's really interesting. The edge rush conversation, I just think, is going to be, we're going to cool down on these edge rushers. Or at least maybe some people still stay bullish on this edge rush class.

And maybe it comes around to where they do end up being strong top 15 selections i just think the floor for the guys that we're talking about is lower than what it is most years normally when you're talking about edge rushers that are going in the top 10 going to the top 5 going to the top 15 whatever it is realize i just bounced around numbers there. But I think the floor for those players is a lot higher than what it is this year. There's a lot more projection for some of these higher end athletes. You're right. We like these guys. I like what they can be. I like the flashes. I like the highs, I like the potential, but the difference between potential and reality for these players, I think is a little bit further of a gap than what we're used to seeing, and we just need to be conscious of that.

You just need to be conscious of that when you're evaluating these edge rushers, when you're projecting what they could be year one and things like that. So he's got Myles Murphy going 10. We kind of touched on that a little bit. He's got to go into the Philadelphia Eagles, which I could see, and the Eagles are a team that can afford to take an athletic guy like Myles Murphy. Yeah, they can do that. Have to lean on him right away.

That's where I would like this run on edge rushers to start not end as the third one of those three guys number 10 overall right top 10 they're all right paris johnson jr he's got his ot2 going to the tennessee titans i think both of us kind of agree that that's a great pick, right? Yeah, I do. I could see Mike Vrabel falling in love with Broderick Jones's power. But sure. I mean, this, you know, potato potato here. I really Paris Johnson Jr. and Broderick Jones for me will be side by side. They're a little different, but they both have the ceiling of high end tackles. And you take swings on offensive

line in the top 15 and you don't look back for it really both of these guys they're gonna be fine if they just get the right coaching Broderick needs a little work with his hands Paris just needs a little bit more anchor strength or overall strength and those are two things that should not stop you from taking them in the top 15 so I yeah yeah, I mean, Tennessee needs offensive line. We've been screaming it from the mountaintops. They get one of the better ones here. I am going to be a sucker for offensive tackle development. I can already tell for the foreseeable future,

because what I saw out of Jackson Carman this past weekend against the Buffalo Bills was night and day different lower body mechanics than what I saw at Clemson and somebody actually somebody tweeted this at me they were like hey you know you said that Jackson Carman looks like a guard plays like a card you think he's a guard so after what you saw this past week a left tackle do you think he's left tackle anymore and I was like you know what i need to go back and watch so i watched the all 22 jackson carmen this past weekend and i was unbelievably impressed the flexibility he is he has clearly worked on his flexibility with his hips with his hip flexors just his ankle flexion being able to get down in his stance and

look perfectly balanced without his footwork looking really wonky with his toes pointed out no they are straight they were a little bit further than shoulder width apart and he's able to get his butt down at the snap the footwork of him kicking out all the way is so fast and explosive and then he is chopping the feet the entire time and i'm like who is this guy i know this was a different player this wasn't even the best of what we saw at clemson and to remind myself i went back and i looked up clemson all 22 of him and he wasn't even close to that same kind of lower body mechanic player. So I'm going to be I just want everybody out there to know all NFL people.

I'm going to be a sucker for offensive line development matters. I saw it in in in Jackson Carmen. So I'm going to believe that it's possible for a lot of these other guys, too. He's got Paris Johnson Jr. going 11 to the Titans. Broderick Jones going 13 to the New York Jets. So I know that you're happy there. And he's got Joey Porter going, Joey Porter Jr., the cornerback for Penn State,

going in between him to the Houston Texans at 12. So that means the Texans got Bryce Young and Joey Porter Jr. So I don't love the Porter pick, to be honest with you here. I like Porter. I think he's rock solid. I wouldn't love the Porter pick, to be honest with you here. I like Porter. I think he's rock solid. I wouldn't take him over Gonzalez.

And it's hard to evaluate that selection fairly until they have a coach. Like if they brought in D'Amico, if they somehow got D'Amico, which he should not take that job, but if they did good for Texans fans, D'Amico is going to need that front to get right in a hurry for that defense to work. But then it comes down to, to be fair, I mean, look at how the board went. Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Lucas Van Ness,

and Miles Murphy are all gone, and Jared Burst went back to school. That sucks for Houston in this spot. So I guess you load up on the secondary there and you try not to get too picky um and then the jets at 13 with broderick i love broderick jones oh man i just thought of christian gonzalez on one side and derrick stingley jr on the other i don't know if you said that and i zoned out but like yeah that's who i would have taken instead holy cow that's a nasty young corner duo wow yeah okay so that's where i would lean but you know we'll see we'll see um jetsy no line help broderick being there great for them i mean don't need to reinvent the wheel there

brian branch at 14 to the patriots very Patriots player uh smart great tackler versatile they need help in the secondary he can play corner and safety probably more nickel corner but with New England that's I mean that's a very New England guy he would go there and he would play on New England for 12 years and be a really, really good player. So that one kind of tells, like, that's just one of those you kind of go, yeah, what can you say? Makes so much sense. I love Brian Branch, and don't get me wrong.

I definitely agree with you. I think he's a major, like, Patriots kind of player. But they have... Duggar. No, but, like, don't they have Marcus Jones, too, right? They have Jack Jones. They have Marcus Jones. So he'd be playing safety in this scheme. Yeah, okay.

McCourty's like 34, isn't he? And has not confirmed. He's 35. Has not confirmed he's coming back. Yeah, maybe. But then you're relegating him to like, if you're playing him in McCourty's spot, because Duggar plays strong safety, like clear strong safety.

You're right. I don't love Branch as that. I hear what you're saying. Like you saw Branch and you were like, okay, Patriots type of player, never misses any tackles, like as reliable as they come. I love Brian Branch too. It's just a weird fit. And I feel like I've seen multiple people mock a corner to the patriots and i'm like that's what they do they but they have their young guys like they have their guys they're playing and they have younger guys maybe they want to get better but well can we get

a wide receiver i was just gonna say i know they have a lot of money to spend and maybe the thinking is they are going to address that in a trade or free agency. But this is not a good free agent wide receiver class. No, you're right. And they already went down that road. They tried to buy an offense. And it just didn't work. It did not work.

Green Bay Packers. Nolan Smith. Edge rush out of Georgia. Can't get behind this, dude. Cannot. Why? Because he's too light or what? Nolan Smith in the top 15 is just,

I just know I can't get behind that. I know. I know he's a great athlete. I know he makes plays in space as well as anyone. He's a senior player that lost a lot of his season to injury that has no pass rush plan. That's light. I,

I back end around one different conversation, a top 15. I don't know about that one. I'll just leave it at that. It's it's I, this was one where I looked at and just said, I maybe it happens because he's going to be an excellent tester. I know he's been a very respected player at that high pedigree program.

I get all those things. And I hope Nolan Smith is a really, really good player, but just not the type of profile of player that we traditionally see as a top 15 pick and go on and translate as a top 15 pick. It's going to be tough for Nolan Smith to get drafted by the Packers at 15 when he's going to get drafted by the Tampa Buccaneers at 19. You know,

that's going to be, that's tough. It's going to get drafted by the Tampa Buccaneers at 19. You know, that's going to be, that's tough. It's going to be tough to pull off there. 16, 16. We got Christian Gonzalez. We already talked about that plenty. I certainly,

if Washington can get their hands on Trevor. Yes. I don't want to be the guy that just hates a pick and doesn't bring anything to the table of any other solutions. So if the Packers roll into next year with Jordan love or or aaron rogers doesn't really matter i would take jackson smith and jigba at that 15 pick so i'll just leave it at that you're on that train you're on that train a little bit i think it's a great fit you're on that you're on that you're on the jsn to uh to green bay train yeah jordan love aaron rogers doesn't matter him and um okay watson nice nice receiver duo that and romeo

blend romeo dobs or dubs depending on whichever player you want on that day dubs dubs dubs dobs depending you know are you you know next pick is a banger what christian gonzalez to washington oh yeah yeah no it's it's no it's perfect it's it's a slam dunk they have two major needs well depending on how you view a slam dog they have two major needs well depending on how you view their quarterback position they have two major needs outside of quarterback it's offensive tackle and corner i think and so for them to get a top 15 top 12 caliber corner pick number 16 i think this makes a ton of sense especially with three offensive tackles already off the board like i i think this is a good one from dj yeah i mean it's it just makes so much sense i don't think he'll be there but if he was it's such a good fit for washington

and it really upgrades them immediately and i i could say the same thing about the steelers taking osiris torrence you know we don't traditionally always see guards go that early quentin nelson went in the top 10 elijah vera tucker went in the top 10. Elijah Vera Tucker went in the top 15. But, and to be fair, you know, ABT's also played some tackle, but Torrance is going to be a guard only. This makes the Steelers that physical, nasty, tough running team with Torrance. And I know some people might think this is early and that the steelers could even use tackle help but i love this pick i love this fit torrence is that kind of player that i just the steelers need to get back to being and they are this on defense don't get me wrong but offensively they need to start pushing people around again and this is the guy

in the draft that pushes people around would like for them to draft an offensive tackle as opposed to an interior offensive lineman but certainly getting better along the o-line is just a good strategy for pittsburgh and none are left at 17 which is it which which is yeah an issue um i wonder if they think about going corner at this point over an interior offensive lineman but they i don't know they probably would lean into your offensive lineman i agree with you i agree't know, they probably would lean into your offensive lineman. I agree with you. I agree with you.

It's got to be a mission of theirs to just get better on the O-line this offseason. They would love for it to be tackled, but like you said, nobody's really left that I think that they would pick. So at least he fits the mold of what they would be going for. For the Lions with their second pick in the first round, is going Trenton Simpson, the linebacker from Clemson. So you're our first linebacker off the board. That's back-to-back defense.

They went to Von Witherspoon at number six, and now it's Trenton Simpson at number 18. What do you think? I like the player, and I think this is really fun because Simpson gives you athleticism next to Malcolm Rodriguez and Aiden Hutchinson out there. And Simpson's a guy that a lot of teams are going to see how they can use him.

They can use him as a stand-up rusher. They can use him as an off-ball linebacker. They can use him as an overhang player that can cover tight ends and running backs. But Trevor, I just love the idea of the Lions getting Brian Brazee at 18. Oh, yeah, and he's on the board. I mean, if they walked away with this draft,

Witherspoon at corner, Brazee on the board i mean if they walked away this draft witherspoon at corner brazee on the d line yeah that is how you start to turn your defense around because as much as i like trenton simpson i think they can get a value linebacker on day two or three in this draft with malcolm rodriguez i don't think they need to do this here so i like the player but if i was building the lines myself i would lean towards a guy like Brazillian. Even if I didn't go that route, there's a couple other players that I just think fit the overall makeup of the team a little better. Yeah, I would like to hit interior defensive line for the Lions.

That would be nice. I agree with you. I think I just agree with you 100%, just how you assess the Lions. So I'm just going to smash retweet on what you just said there. You didn't even quote-sweet me. I appreciate that. No, you got to give it a solid retweet. You got to show respect.

You got to show respect. Respect the game. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, number 19. He has him going to Manuel Forbes, the cornerback from Mississippi State. We talked about him not too long ago when we went over our cornerback rankings. Both of us had Forbes outside of our top fives.

I think Forbes is higher on your list than he was on mine. I think I met him as like CB9 in this class. I like Forbes, but he is skinny, man. He has to put on more weight in the NFL, and I just don't know what kind of player he looks like then if he's putting on at least 10 pounds that I feel like he needs to put on. This guy's gone from being like six feet tall, like 150. At one point when he was at Mississippi State, he was like 170.

Now they've got him listed at 180. I don't even know if he's 180. He looks like he's 170. He's not 180, I can confirm. And so you've got to at least get this dude up to 185 then what does his game look like he's packing a little bit more pounds on there um i understand the corner selection for the buccaneers here because jamel dean is a unrestricted free agent sean murphy bunting is an unrestricted free agent they would need a corner

if both those guys end up leaving and they can't resign both of them. So I understand where he's going with the corner. I wouldn't be picking Emmanuel Forbes here at number 19, but him getting a shout-out here in the top 20, I think that goes to show you that the NFL could really have this guy in the top 50, so he could be a back-end of the first-round guy. Yeah, it could be a little bit of a feast or famine corner. He'll take risk in coverage.

He'll make plays on the ball. I like that DJ dropped the Samari roll comp in here. That was pretty cool. Roll was listed, I think, at 175 throughout his NFL tenure. Very tall, lanky-ish kind of guy. Had seasons of six and seven interceptions while in Tennessee. Eventually played at Baltimore, where DJ obviously was in their front office or in their scouting department.

Yeah, I don't think Forbes is 180. I always found it interesting watching him. And you're right. I had him higher than you. I had him at corner seven. So I like the guy. I thought he was more of a day two player. I was fascinated by college teams trying to screen him to death

because they're like, hey, buddy, come up and tackle. And I'm like like this is college like it's it's why man he's like when aj brown gives you the clothesline from hell like you know what i'm saying yes i know exactly what you're saying yes so uh yeah a little rich for my blood but i very interested very interested this is where okay we have a run here of three players that i would not put in the first round of a mock draft and i i this is where there's many reasons why dj is is great and you should always read his work but this is really where that competitive that advantage where you're like oh should i be ready for this wait are you saying a run of three players starting

with forbes or starting with mcdonald Forbes. Okay. All right. Just making sure. No, no, no. I did not think to see Emmanuel Forbes. Because the next player is Anthony Richardson after the three. No, no, no. That's not a surprise. So he's got Emmanuel Forbes going 19 to the Buccaneers. He has Will McDonald, the fourth, the edge rusher from Iowa State,

who we've talked about a little bit on this show before here, going to the Seattle Seahawks at 20, which is then two edge rushers going to the seahawks because it took tyree wilson at number five and then dalton kinkade my man dalton kinkade utah tight end going los angeles charged at 21 it was a big fan of kinkade you guys can listen to the tight end podcast if you missed that i was pretty high on 21st overall ahead of michael mayor yeah i didn't think so chief he was tight end three for me but i did think the kincaid was a top 50 potential selection here in uh in this draft class because i think of what he brings to the

passing game so look i i already talked about how skeptical i was of Tyree Wilson going as high as he did at Seattle Seahawks. But I understand that this would be a Seattle Seahawks type of bet. Even if you took Tyree Wilson off, like, let's say they took Jalen Carter in this draft. Okay, let's say they just went interior defensive line and with Jalen Carter at number five. I still wouldn't love the Will McDonald pick because they already have these types of edge rushers on the team they already have Nuchen and Nwosu they already have Boye Moffitt Will McDonald is that same type of edge rusher so unless you want that same type of edge rusher on both sides the line of scrimmage which maybe they do but Will McDonald six foot three 135 or

200 135 what is he 200 he's like 235 240 pounds so like that's a that's a nolan smith build right and there are a lot of people who think like nolan smith's too small like okay well you would probably say the same thing about i don't know but will mcdonald i just i don't love the the idea of will mcdonald being a back end of the first round guy and i would especially not like him on the sea auctions because they already have those uh those types of rushers dj clearly likes him dj's clearly hearing good things about him and I'm not saying that Will McDonald can't be a good pro that's not what I'm saying at all just for the Seahawks specifically this is one that I kind of wanted to point out where he's like hey I think it's a little

repetitive for the Seahawks is all I'm saying well I mean repetitive how many edge guys are they gonna have here you brought up okay so they take tyree wilson different edge they have in chenu osu who had a great season uchenu and osu um boy a mafe who they just used the 40th pick on in the draft for daryl taylor just had almost 10 sacks he's under contract for next year right yeah where the hell is will hell is Will McDonald playing on this football team? So once again, I like, this isn't like,

this is, these aren't shots directed at DJ. No, of course not. We're just having fun talking about the mock. These are, yeah, that's a good way to put it.

That should be the bio of the show. Just two guys having fun talking about a mock. You know, McDonald, yeah, McDonald's a, probably a situational pass rusher as a rookie only and this team can't afford um the selection in this spot so kincade going 21 to the chargers

it's a bold call for okay so there's layers to this one the best tight end of the draft is still sitting there the best tight end in most drafts you put michael mayer in like 80 he's the best tight end in the draft is still sitting there. The best tight end in most drafts. You put Michael Mayer in like 80%. He's the best tight end in like 80% of NFL drafts of all time. Okay? So let's just get that out of the way. Number two, Don Kikade is turning 24 years old in October of his rookie season. I don't think he's going to be a great athlete at the combine.

I think he'll be a good one. And the chargers have serious needs on defense and on offense. You could say wide receiver. You could say the line. You could say the front seven. You could say corner. We just did it. We just talked about them because they got knocked out of the playoffs and they were on last episode.

If you missed that one. I mean, in my being is, am I using hyperbole to call this the most egregious pick of the entire mock draft? Because for me, it entirely was. Well,

and they have a Gerald Everett on her contract. He's good. He was really good this year. I was. So that should tell you like, this isn't DJ. You're insane. This is what does he know about the show?

Yeah. Well, he knows the dog. Kincaid's a good football player. Good stuff, DJ. Good stuff, DJ. Great eye. Love to see it. Totally agree.

I think Donald Kincaid could have gone higher, honestly. Okay, so is Donald Kincaid that much better of a prospect than uh trey mcbride was he's a better receiver yeah yeah yeah and i think that matters more to teams where did mcbride get drafted like what 53 something like that 52 right around there 53 52 i mean like that's kind of where i figured uh donkey k was gonna get you same until this 55 mcbride 55 i think we've actually asked that exact question on this podcast before so we should know that we we we just we're a very flat circle on this show sometimes anthony richardson number 22 overall to the baltimore well i mean i freaking

love this yeah i mean look if lamar's not there you gotta you gotta draft the quarterback at some point so and i i just want to say we don't have to talk too much about this because we've talked about it before um dj having richardson in not only in his first round mock but also at the back end of the first round to uh to the ravens i think is it at least telling of where the NFL might believe Richardson is. So 23 Minnesota Vikings Tyree. You also what the elephant in the room on this DJ was in Baltimore for how

long? Oh, right. Yeah. And he is a quarterback going to the Ravens. The exact line is if contract talks don't progress in a positive direction in the coming months, they could apply the franchise tag on the former MVP,

buying time for Richardson to eventually be ready to play. If the Ravens franchise tag Lamar Jackson, he cannot play a game. He will not play. He will not play. Which DJ would never say, understandably. Right. Yeah, yeah. But he will not play. If they franchise never say, understandably. Right. Yeah, yeah.

But he will not play. If they franchise tag him, they're trading him. Yeah. If they franchise tag him, they're trading him. There's no way Lamar's playing on the tag. No way. Ooh, I didn't even think about that. That's a good call-out.

That was the fire alarm in my brain. That's a good call-out. That's why you're here. It actually is the reason I am here minnesota vikings he has him going defense that's kind of an obvious they have a massive corner need i think in minnesota tyreek stevenson the corner from my we haven't talked about him yet did you watch him a little bit okay i did i have not watched him at all. Preliminary watch, I didn't see him as a first-round player. When, you know, we did our corner show,

so I tried to get some eyes on him. He's 6'2", 15. He's stacked. Yeah, he's a big guy. I just didn't see him as a first-round caliber cover player to me. To me. But Minnesota needs guys like this, and, I mean, it's been corner bonanza in this mock draft.

So, they like bigger corners. They always have, although they're going through defensive staff changes. But, dude, Forbes, Gonzalez, Porter. Stevenson. Witherspoon are all gone. Yeah. Oh, kind of fascinating. I know we've soured on them.

I have not soured on the point where I'm taking Tyreek Stevenson over Keely Ringo. Yeah, I think the Keely Ringo point that I knew we were going to make at some point, because he's not in this first round mock, just a spoiler alert for everybody, which goes to show you what the league might think of Keely Ringo point that I knew we were going to make at some point, because he's not in this first mock first round mock, just spoiler alert for everybody, which goes to show you what the league might think of Keeley Ringo. The pros for Keeley is the size, the speed, the strength combinations that he has, the cons that we talked about in our cornerback episode,

which you guys can go listen to if you missed it, is he feels out of control. Like he does not feel like a anticipator. He feels like a reactor a lot. And he can get away with it because in college, he is that big and fast and strong compared to a lot of other wide receivers. In the NFL, you don't get that luxury.

If you are not anticipatory with how you move and how you go about your job as a corner, you're gonna get fried. I don't care how big how fast you are so even though keely ringo may not have like a ton of flaws that being his flaw is something that could be a major red flag in his scouting report or where nfl teams are going to draft him because they're just not going to take a chance on a corner who does not react well, who does not anticipate things the way that you need to because there's just no margin for error for things like that when you get to the league.

So I'm glad you brought that up because it is important with him not being on this first-round mock. Yeah, and no Cam Smith as well, who we've talked about a lot. I'm pretty sure it was you that said this. I am worried about how he's going to test. I'm not drafting Cam in the first round, man. Yeah, I am a little... He's a good corner. He's a good corner.

But I think he's a CB2 at best. Still taking him over Tyreek Stevenson. Oh, I didn't watch Tyreek Stevenson. We'll get there. So 24, A+++, pick. The Jacksonville Jaguars take Michael Mayer. I mean, even if you bring back Evan Ingram, these two would just be peanut butter and jelly at tight end.

How different they are. Agreed. I agree 100%. And I also give an A++ to the next pick, the New York Giants taking Jordan Addison. Oh addison freaking love it such a good pick you know who else is not in this first round mock quinn johnson yes yes who he's not in this mock not in this mock at all is definitely a surprise i don't think the league's I don't think the league's as high on Quentin Johnson as

other people are. I think the league does not like this wide receiver group. I agree with that. First wide receiver's not coming off the board in the top 20, I don't think. Certainly not as it stands today. I just don't think it's happening. Quentin Johnson, I mean, there are concerns there about

separating consistently and running well but they're not being the first yeah a little surprising but love the addison pick i mean if jordan addison ends up being the first wide receiver taken it feels very in that mold of guys that have gone early like garrett wilson and Smith, right? Where, and neither of those guys were the first wide receiver taken in their draft class, but you get the point. They're light. They're not physically imposing when they walk in the room, but they do everything right at the position.

They are polished route runners. They are quick in and out of their cuts. They release off the line of scrimmage they catch the football in traffic they catch the football in the air with hang time and balance and footwork that is when you don't when you don't know those are the things you default to of why the guy will be the first wide receiver taken in the draft And that's Addison. Who's after Addison? Oh, Felix Onodike Uzoma! Let's go, my dude!

My guy. Felix Onodike Uzoma, the edge rusher out of Kansas. He's got Kansas State. He's got him going to Dallas Cowboys, which I think the Cowboys are kind of good on the defensive line. I thought that until I saw them against San Francisco. Oh, they're still good.

San Francisco's O-line is good. Yeah, but you've got to win that game. You've lost seven straight divisional playoff games. You need to be thinking, what is the pieces to get us over? I still think they need wide receiver here instead. But they still need more pass rush help i the other guys kind of slowed down at the end of the season and the only thing i'll say is i actually expect bigger results from sam williams next year which gives me a little hope this would have been wide

receiver for me um same you know what kind of interested me the blurb calls him a power rusher i thought anandike zoma was a little bit more burst and bend, but I'll have to revisit him again. So I like Anandika Azuma. Where did I have him? Did I coward out? Where did I have him in our edge rush rankings? You didn't have him in your top five.

I might have cowarded out. Hold on. There's still time. We didn't do the final edge ranking show. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. And I'm not going to cower it out. God, I had it behind Tyree Wilson.

I'm such a coward, dude. Wow. I'm such a coward. I'm not doing that. God. I'm not doing that again. Jeez. God, I'm a coward.

Bijan Robinson, 27 of the Buffalo Bills. Great pick. This is just so fun. If this happens, can you imagine the absolute onslaught, the war in dynasty drafts to get 1.1 to have B. John Robinson on your roster? It would be something to behold. Friendships would end. Friendships friendships friendships would end friendships would end friendships would end oh man it's the good stuff there's i mean this is this move for

the bills and i get it the bills have a lot of needs now with their free agency coming up if they lose edmunds or poyer their o-line has some holes but I don't know I kind of like just being like you know what man we're just more athletic and faster and more dangerous than you figure out the rest I think this is also a potential set or Osiris Torrance spot if he lasts this long because they could upgrade the interior offensive line I'd throw in Darnell Wright and DeJuan Jones range starting here i like darnell right more than what i've seen from dewan jones but me too i agree with that the cincinnati bengals at 28 he hasn't taken darnell washington i mean it's hard to find any landing spot for darnell

washington to go oh don't like that i mean he's an alien size tight end that brings you a sixth offensive line and it gives you some receiving ability. Literally every team in the NFL would be a great fit for Darnell Washington. It just depends on how much you prioritize using the tight end in the passing game or multi-tight end sets. Is he going to be the guy who's going to be for sure your tight end one? Are you going to have more of a receiving tight end as tight end one? What are you going to do there?

So every team in the NFL could use Darnell Washington, but Joe Burrow in that offense certainly could have a lot of fun with him i i really like this spot though specifically because zach taylor loves to stick to the ground game with joe mixon it helps there when their offensive line goes through those spurts of being disastrous at times which it has because the injury or whatever it is you stick his ass on the line of scrimmage and make him a personal protector for Joe Burrow as a sixth man. And I think this offense would get the most out of him as a receiver because there's so much attention dedicated to T. Higgins

and Jamar Chase and Hayden Hurst. And this is a really fun landing spot for Darnell Washington. Yep. We got B.J. Ogillary in this draft, getting to the Denver Broncos at number 29, which is great. We were shouting out how much we like BJ Ojalary in his address class. Top five edge for me. Yeah.

I think I had him at five as well. Well, everybody moved up because verse went back to school. I know. Yeah, that's very true. Brian Brzee 30 to the Kansas City Chiefs. This is the lowest that I think I've seen Brzee in any mantra.

Oh, by far him going to the Chiefs. This is the lowest I think I've seen Brzee in any mantra. Oh, by far. Him going to the Chiefs. Man. Yeah, this feels like one of those that when it happens, everybody's like, of course, the Chiefs just had Brian Brzee fall. Well, that's how I felt last year with them getting Karloftis. True. I didn't, but true.

Because you thought Karloftis was going to go later. I thought he was okay. I liked Karloftis, but it didn't scare me. I liked him better. When they got him, I wasn't like, oh, great, really? This is the kind of pick where I'm like, Brian Brzee next to Chris Jones? Yeah, nasty.

We let this happen? Yeah, I think they'd be pretty nasty. Brian Brzee, definitely not a finished product. I mean, he definitely has a ways to go, but him next to Chris Jones would be hilarious. It's just a lot of athleticism, a lot of good talent on the defensive line. The next pick is maximum trolling in a way that I appreciate so much. Because it's not trolling in a sense where, like, this wouldn't happen.

But it would be so funny if the Eagles take Jackson Smith and Jigba. So funny. We would be around. We would be nearing the. You're not allowed to play with the Eagles unspoken rule in Madden. 100%. That's what it feels like we would be nearing. 100%. 100%. That's what it feels like we would be nearing. 100%. Certainly, it's just the Eagles in this draft coming away with

Miles Murphy on the defensive side at number 10, and then Jackson Smith at number 31. That would be one hell of a haul for what could be the future Super Bowl champions. I love it. I love it. It's because then you're setting yourself up, right?

Where you're, you have a pipeline of wide receivers where, you know, AJ Brown's contract. And he's so good that you don't ever want to get into these discussions, but by nature, when you see a pick like this, you do.

All right. So AJ Brown is going to be there. His entire contract is it's set up where there's void years starting in 2027 you can't really cut him at any point of the contract which is very interesting you don't see that in nfl contracts often um he is going to be there his entire 20s he's not a free agent until he's 30 in 2027 the contract's not cuttable so i guess if you did that selection, in my opinion, unless you're just incredibly lucky somewhere with an extension, you're letting Devontae Smith walk after this fifth-year option in 2025, right?

I think that's kind of just too far down the line anyways. Like, we don't know. We don't even know what the makeup's going to be. Yeah, you're probably thinking like, hey, we can win the Super Bowl the next three years, no matter what, the super bowl the next three years no yeah yeah it all just depends on where their window is at that point what they think i mean it doesn't look to be going away anytime soon it's wide open right now shout out to daniel jeremiah man one of the best in the business putting out a lot of really great information a lot of really great insider and a lot of really great insider stuff. One of the best scouting eyes that we have.

Man, DJ is just not only one of the best at his craft, but also one of the best dudes. And so we appreciate him letting us kind of pick apart a mock draft here. We didn't ask, though. I want to be fair. Sorry if you are offended, DJ. Sorry. We did not ask, but we did it anyway. DJ, DJ, we love you if you're listening to this podcast.

Truly, he's one of my favorite guys in this business. Absolutely love reading all of his work. And yeah, I just enjoy, like you said, at the very top of the podcast, learning other perspectives. You know, we love to make sure that we're doing our own thing and we have our own voice here on this show,

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See show notes for details. The defensive tackle ranking show might be a little bit later in the week than it normally is, which Connor is learning for the first time, but I just thought about it as we were ending this podcast. But I was literally just thinking about my schedule, and I'm like, oh, shoot, I might not be able to watch all these guys by this point.

So we will have an interior defensive line ranking episode, but it just might be a little bit later in the week. We will be sure to have one more episode for you. It'll be coming later this week. So I just want people to look at Friday morning. It'll be out or Thursday night. What do we probably be a Friday morning? Probably is a good morning.

I think it's a good target. Good target. I'm with you on that. Other, other than being blindsided by our plans here on this podcast, you got anything else to say before we get out of here? I'm just really enjoying the shows. Cause it's just,

there's so much layer draft talk. And sometimes before we get out of here i'm just really enjoying the shows because it's just there's so much layered draft talk and sometimes before we start doing it like back in november and december i'm like man how much do people can people really consume just us bsing about the draft and then i go see the shows on youtube and they're eight times as popular as our shows from actual football season so i i'm having a lot of fun uh it never gets old to me i know it never gets old to you if you're new listening to this podcast welcome we have a lot of fun we do a lot of bsing we talk about the draft way too much and or sometimes the comments tell us way too little when we get off track you just never know what you're gonna get in a day so, man, I'm having a good time.

I really am. And I know it happens every year. You're going to blink and we're going to be at the combine. Well, we're going to be at the Senior Bowl together. And then we're going to be at the combine together. And then it's going to be the draft weekend. And then it all starts over again, which is a lot of fun. We're having a blast here on the show.

Hopefully you guys are having a blast listening to us, making us a go-to spot for you. We know there's a million places where you can get draft content. So we really appreciate you guys coming back to us, being a part of our draft community. Like we said, let us know what you thought of this episode and just any draft takes at all in the YouTube comment section.

It's a great way to just get in on the show. We read all of those things. We love reading the theories, what this team should do, what that team should do, all of the rankings, what you guys think of prospects prospects this is the place to do it if you were looking for a draft community you definitely found it i'm trevor sycamore that's connor rogers thank you guys so much for listening and watching tinea nfl stock exchange podcast we will see you one more time later this week until then have a good one guys Outro Music