NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 157. First Full 2023 Mock Draft Following Bears-Panthers Trade

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers run through their first full first round mock with the new draft order following the Panthers trading with the Bears to get to No. 1 overall. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:37 It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode we have a brand new full first round mock draft for you with the new mock draft order the Carolina Panthers and the Chicago Bears shook up the NFL draft world this past weekend and Connor and I are coming to you with a brand new first round mock draft.
Starting point is 00:01:07 Hopefully you guys aren't sick of mock drafts yet. We know we did one last week after the combine. We're doing one this week. We're going to have another one after free agency next week. But enjoy this one. This is our first crack at really predicting what we think is going to happen. Not just at number one and number nine overall, but all the picks in between and all the picks after.
Starting point is 00:01:25 This move really does shake up what we're about to see happen at the end of April. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Joining you guys on a Monday morning for, of course, a Mock Trap Monday. It is everybody's favorite words during this part of the offseason.
Starting point is 00:01:57 And Connor, we got an exciting one. Now, we just did a two-round post-combine Mock Trap. And we were not planning to do another one until at least the Sunday after free agency began. But of course, the NFL is always giving us things to talk about. And over the weekend, we had a big shakeup in a trade. For a long time, we have speculated who is going to move up to number one overall. And now we know that it is the Carolina Panthers.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Well, I guess for now, I should say the Carolina Panthers because the report came out that they might move back. But as of right now, the Carolina Panthers have traded with the Chicago Bears to move up to number one overall. Buddy, first and foremost, how you doing? Hopefully your weekend wasn't too chaotic with the big news, but also I am very excited to get to dive into a full first round mock draft with the new order with you. I'm great, man. It's like they did us all a favor and did this trade so early as we sit here. It's not even really the fully middle point of March yet.
Starting point is 00:02:52 And we have this for the draft order for all of our content. I had a good week. I had a funny weekend because in our local New York market, I was on Aaron Rodgers watch, which would need an instant reaction for two different places I work. So I canceled going out, which is not like a big deal. We didn't really care that much, but canceled going out back to back nights for dinner, just stayed home and nothing happened at all as we sit here. So you got you got to love that. You should like hunker down, hunker down.
Starting point is 00:03:21 And even if I went out, it was like in the radius of my neighborhood in hoboken where i was like i could get home i've only had a beer like something like that and it would have been better if you had beers it would be great it would have been great so yeah that's where we are right now and we have gotten some massive moves obviously the draft trade was was awesome it's um you know a little similar but also not to what we did in the in the mock draft we had the bears move twice and obviously the price of going if you're carolina from nine to two is drastically different from nine to one because at one you get to pick your choice of quarterback you're not taking the next guy and the price reflected that especially when dj moore was in this deal which was something
Starting point is 00:04:03 i personally did not expect great for the bears um Fields. Now we'll get a shot with a lot of new pieces around him and we will discuss obviously how this impacts the bears draft, but at the top of the draft, yeah, things are a lot more clear now. I think the pressure kind of cranks up on somebody like the Colts now because the Texans at two could still get a guy that they feel really good about. The Colts at four. What if somebody comes up to the three? It's all scenarios. Trevor just flipped upside down with Carolina making this big jump and it's exciting. Yeah, no, there's, there's, there's so much that we're going to dig into here in this mock. And, um, I obviously it's going to be a little bit longer of an episode, so we're going to get into that right, right away.
Starting point is 00:04:42 We're going to fire up the PFF mock draft simulator to get into that but just to give you guys clarification again if you forgot the exact price of what it was for carolina to get from number nine to number one overall it ended up being the swap of number one for number nine number 61 which is one of carolina's second round picks remember they have two because the christianaffrey trade so they ended up giving the Bears their later one the one from the San Francisco 49ers so they have their earlier one they still have that early second round pick so number nine number 61 a first rounder next year which we assumed was going to be in the deal and then a second rounder in 2025 so two years down the road so good for Brian Poles to spread out what he was able to get from this deal. If you're moving back all the way from one to nine, you do want to kind of space
Starting point is 00:05:30 out how many premium assets that you get. I like that thought process for them. And then of course, I think the big wild card here was DJ Moore. And look, I'll just, you know, I do want to ask you a little bit about it because I put up a couple of videos. I did a quick three-round mock draft for the Bears with their new haul, a quick three-round mock draft for the Panthers on the new haul. You guys can see it on the channel. You just click the videos tab. So I kind of explained my thought process of, look, Carolina gave up a lot, but it's not like we didn't expect this, right?
Starting point is 00:06:02 You and I have had these conversations for so long that whoever was going to move up to number one, maybe outside of Houston because it would just be a swap from one to two, the Colts, the Panthers, the Falcons, the Raiders, the Titans, whoever it was going to be, this was always the price. It was always going to be at least two first round picks this year's first and next year's first, then probably something else this year on day two, probably something next year on day two.
Starting point is 00:06:31 And then for Carolina to sweeten the pot for them to really take that deal, they gave them DJ more. And I think that people are freaking out about it because DJ more fantastic wide receiver love DJ, but he's a big time fan favorite who that's the part that makes it, that makes me think people believe Carolina gave up more than they really did. Because to me, Connor, this was always the price. What did you think about this?
Starting point is 00:06:57 I'd love to hear your thoughts. You know, when I first saw it come through the Twitter sphere, I was like, man, that's a lot. And then I really, and I even typed in all caps over it, And I don't even tweet like this a ton. I was like, this is a hall like, Whoa, it's a big hall and it's great for the bears. Then I sat and really thought about it. And I was like, okay, I would have liked DJ more to be there for the new quarterback, but it's one of those moves that you don't ultimately judge instantly because you look at carolina all the money that they can spend if and i don't love
Starting point is 00:07:34 this free agency class right but you know you pull up what the flexibility they have and what they can ultimately do uh the panthers they can go into free agency and not replace DJ more, but can they go get some help at pass catcher may, or maybe they go on the trade market. Who knows? There are going to be better and wide receivers available for trade where they were like, okay,
Starting point is 00:07:55 you know what? We'll get some of his money off the books and we'll count that as really the extra first rounder. And we get to keep that future first round, right? Three ones was all everybody heard. Instead's like you know what we'll go with the player route instead because we think when we're ready and i don't believe this but this could be some of the process like more might be due for another payday as he gets closer to 30 when we think we're ready to continue
Starting point is 00:08:19 so these are the things that teams go through they go through timelines and for fans and i totally understand this, the initial reaction is like, why? Why would you do that? Because fans are always operating. Actually, a lot of listeners to this show probably don't operate this way. But a majority of fan base is operating in a way like, wow, that's going to hurt us this year. And an organization goes, what is that going to look like in year three?
Starting point is 00:08:40 Right. Of this move. Yeah. I didn't mean to cut you off there. But we've talked about this on this show before you will always i shouldn't say always there are many times where you're going to have a chance to get a really good wide receiver on your team right whether it's free agency whether it's the draft i know we've got kind of a down year wide receiver and both of those categories the draft and free agency.
Starting point is 00:09:05 But I'm telling you, that's not really the norm. Normally, you're going to be able to get a good wide receiver in the first, second, third round of most drafts. And free agency is going to be a little bit more available than it is right now. Plus, we see wide receivers get traded and moved all the time, right? Even some of the best in the NFL are on the move all the time. It'll happen to hopkins in a week or whatever it happened to hopkins it happened to tyreek hill like it's like it happens to all of these guys so quickly odell's been traded a handful
Starting point is 00:09:33 of times right so no i just i feel as though you go up and you have to pay the price to get the quarterback the quarterback is something that doesn't come around very often and if you believe whoever you're taking at number one overall is certainly worth that, then the wide receiver stuff, I know everybody's looking at the depth chart right now and they see Terrace Marshall and LaVisca Chanel and shy Smith, all due respect to those guys, but they go, okay, where is the, where is the passing production even going to come from? It will come.
Starting point is 00:10:02 It will, they will have more opportunities to get those kinds of players whether it's with cap space or draft pick so that's that was that's all in all i wanted to ask you about that because i wanted to hear your opinion i figured that that's kind of where you would come from because that's where you're going to come from because i agree with you it was a lot but it wasn't anything that was like asinine it wasn't anything no no no this is the deal they had to do to get it done so exactly it's about controlling the draft right and when you're picking number one in a draft that has high demand players quarterbacks you control the draft and we
Starting point is 00:10:39 talked about this with on that mock draft i drew back to the jets moving up to three in march a couple years ago and their thought process was we like three quarterbacks and we'll get one in this spot and i thought that was the route carolina would go if they can get into three with arizona but they opted to pay the premium to get to number one and as we sit here and record this show more news continues to trickle in locally from Carolina that they are still open to the idea of trading out of that pick and going down if they I don't okay let me put something out there though yeah I know you're very good go ahead for those that don't know there is a very serious hope from the NFL league office to whoever picks number one each year to leave it as much of a
Starting point is 00:11:27 surprise as possible up until draft night. Like this is a legitimate thing. And let's not forget this happened with Joe Burrow in that year. And everybody knew Joe Burrow was going number. It doesn't matter how consensus it is. It's there is always a not demand, but a request and hope from the NFL that whoever is picking number one, because if you're Carolina and you love CJ Stroud, right? And we'll get there. Who the hell cares?
Starting point is 00:11:54 Who knows? You're picking number one. I guess there is that competitive advantage of like, oh, teams could scramble after that. But ultimately, there's a lot of theater in this. And I think theolina moving out of number one while i wouldn't rule it out feels like theater to me yeah you would you would have to be unbelievably confident that say the texans right because you're not moving from nine to one just to move from like one to
Starting point is 00:12:26 even four i think that that would be i think that that would be nuts that would be instant at that point at that point the hall that you gave up from nine to one is way too high for you to be playing with fire there but let's just yeah that doesn't make any sense let's just like let's just say maybe you move back to number two right with houston you'd have to be so convinced that they're taking the quarterback that you don't want right that's what you would have and even then if you did a trade with say like you did a trade with houston. Houston goes up to number one overall. What if in the 11th hour, the Tennessee Titans call the Houston Texans up at number 11 and they go, we will give you five first round draft picks to go to number one. And then they take the quarterback that the Carolina Panthers actually wanted at number two. It's so risky.
Starting point is 00:13:22 And so I don't know. We're just throwing out all sorts of galaxy brain multiverse scenarios here. But there's a lot to think about. It's why it stays a lot of fun. But we'll run through a full first round mock draft here for you guys with the new order. We will still allow trades to happen. And in fact, I have some in my head that I might want to pull off here. Connor, can I go with the odds? Can I start? Can I, can I, can I do odds?
Starting point is 00:13:50 Yes. I actually would prefer you to. Okay. Okay. Because somebody tweeted at us and they were like, can, can Trevor please pick for the odds so we could just hear what he is going to say for the jets at 13? Cause I feel like a lot of people hear tons of jets talk, right? You have so much Jets talk. You have so much great content that you put out there. So, so many. And we said this last time we were like,
Starting point is 00:14:11 we are going to rotate these all the time, especially since this is a year where the Jets and the Bucks picking the odds. So yeah, we're always going to rotate this. And I just like getting your perspective at the top of the draft anyway. All right. So Carolina is up at number one overall. That means your boy is up here if it
Starting point is 00:14:27 were up to me folks I would be taking Bryce Young number one overall I think he's the best quarterback in this class and he's one of the best players in this class he's one of the most natural playmaking quarterbacks that I have seen in a long long time I would be picking Bryce Young measurables be damned but I it just doesn't sound like the Panthers are doing that. And maybe they're doing a great job of holding things close to the chest. So why do we think this? Can I ask this? I want this conversation.
Starting point is 00:14:53 We went from this trade happening to everybody on Twitter being like, oh, it's for Stroud to the bookmakers making Stroud minus 400 the last time I saw it. And Bryce Young plus like in super plus money range. And I'm like, did we get here because of YouTube? Like, and listen, I love the work they do at Underdog Fantasy with Josh Norris, those interviews with McCown, they're awesome. And you should go watch them if you don't know what I'm
Starting point is 00:15:15 talking about. But how did we get here? And I'm not even saying they're not taking Stroud. It is borderline consensus, Trevor. How did we get here? Is it the local reporting? I truly don't know how we got here this fast. I think all of those stars are truly pointing to the same direction. Now, Lord knows whether or not the first seeds that were planted there were deception, because if they they were then they might all be wrong but
Starting point is 00:15:45 i think the local media is being fed something from their sources and maybe they're loud right now maybe their sources are kind of telling are are purposefully telling them something but as of right now it feels like stroud's the guy stroud's the guy that they like i've also heard some will levis talk folks but i have a hard time believing that you paid that price to go up to number one to take will levis so like in this league you have a hard time believing it in this league i do i still yes yes yes yes i do logic i have a hard time believing that you would have paid the price from number nine to number one just to select levis when i feel like you could have done the same thing going to number three and still getting your guy there if that would have been the case so i think that vegas pointing to shroud makes me feel like it's shroud and then i don't remember
Starting point is 00:16:34 if it was at the combine or maybe it was somewhere else somebody had asked frank reich about his like what he looks for in a quarterback and essentially he harped so hard on accuracy in that quote. I tried to find it while you were talking, but I couldn't find it. Maybe I'll find it a little bit later in the show. He, he emphasized accuracy so much being able to operate from the pocket, being a pocket passer, having that accuracy, all of that. To me, that rules out Will Levis and Anthony Richardson. Not to say that those guys can't become accurate quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:17:06 but there's certainly a lot more of a risk about them being accurate than there is for like C.J. Stroud. Because Stroud's been pretty pinpoint over the last couple of years, especially for how he ended this past season against Georgia, what he was able to show at the combine, just in a very brief throwing session where he was throwing to wide receivers that he didn't have timing with that he didn't have timing with he didn't have practice with the guy looked at about as picture perfect as it felt like you could be you could have him a fundamental why so that's ultimately why i am
Starting point is 00:17:34 leaning stroud just like everybody else is and i'm gonna go with cj stroud number one overall in this mock listen i'm not gonna fight you to the death here. If I was on the clock, it's tough right now. I'm glad it's you. I'll say that. I think I don't want to lose sight of how logic tells us how great of a prospect Bryce Young is. But Stroud is really, really good. And if they have size thresholds or just like the player
Starting point is 00:17:58 from getting to talk to these guys, I wouldn't be shocked at all. So Stroud goes number one overall in our mock draft today, which I can keep this very concise at number two. If this happens for the Texans after the Lovey Smith masterclass of altering the tank job and they still get Bryce young, good for them. I think the Texans would jump for joy. They didn't have to flip picks. They still got their guy. I'm pretty convinced this is their guy. Now they don't hold, you know, the keys of the car necessarily for that. If the Panthers ultimately fall on Bryce Young, but in this scenario, they don't.
Starting point is 00:18:34 And that's a very realistic scenario. So the Texans don't have to move. They get Bryce Young at two and they truly finally have their foot on the accelerator for their rebuild, having their franchise guy. All right. That was the correct pick. So I'm up with the Cardinals at number three. This is starting to smell like a trade. I am about to propose a trade here. Where my eyes go immediately is the Raiders at seven, because at this point, I think there's two teams that are really going to be in the running here.
Starting point is 00:19:10 The Raiders at seven and the Titans at at 11 i keep bringing up the titans because i i was told in indianapolis that the titans were one of the teams that called to get to number one overall now i don't know how those conversations went i don't know exactly like how serious the offer was but i was told that the titans were interested in have call it did call about number one overall i don't know how far like i said i don't know how far it went but I know that they were interested enough moving from three to eleven I'm not so sure that Arizona is going to want to do that but I do think that they can move back from three to seven let's check the draft chart value to see if we can get within range here because Arizona 2200 for the number three overall pick. That's the numerical value that we have here.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Las Vegas is 1,500. So we've got a 700 pick difference. If you give them, where's Las Vegas' next pick? 38, so that's a second rounder. So if you give them a second rounder this year, and I would say, let's sweeten it up. Let's go a second rounder this year, and I would say, let's sweeten it up. Let's go a second rounder next year. So you're flipping picks and you're going two twos.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Yes. I think that's where you are at least, right? To move back four spots, but you don't have to give up a one. I'm sure Arizona would love to get a one. Because it doesn't really change what they're doing that much. Right, Arizona? Arizona, like you're still getting a front seven blue chip guy at seven right and instead you just get you just get two extra picks there two two extra second round picks two really good picks so i'm gonna i'm gonna make that deal as long as you don't think that there's some crazy inside job going on.
Starting point is 00:20:45 So I got the Raiders moving up to three. Question is, who's it going to be for? This is very difficult. Or is it Will Levis? Let me do the Raiders trade on my end. Well, you do your thing. I think it would be for Will Levis. I think so too. I think it would be for Will Levis. I think so, too.
Starting point is 00:21:06 I think it would be for Levis. I really think so, too. I've heard, and you hear every name connected to every quarterback in the team, but Levis because of where the Raiders are and McDaniels. I've heard that one fair enough where I would lean the same way as you. And I'm going to go with Will Levis here. And I want everybody listening and watching to know that this could easily be an Anthony Richardson selection.
Starting point is 00:21:32 I just haven't heard the Richardson connection to the Raiders as much as I have Levis. And, and like Connor just said, maybe that's just because where they're picking in the order and we're potentially seeing AR going top three, some places haven't mocked at number one overall yeah so maybe that's just the reason why but right now i hear that connection with levis more than i do anthony richardson so i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna go with will levis here at number three which puts you then on the clock three quarterbacks down for the Indianapolis Colts yeah so this is like pick number two for me where I don't really need to do much thinking here if this scenario happens
Starting point is 00:22:10 to the Colts they take Anthony Richardson at four because they have to and we have a quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback draft which as the days go, if there was a book that made odds for this scenario, I would be laying something on it. Because I'm convinced Arizona can get out of three. Houston can't move down. The Colts. I mean, Chris Ballard has to take a quarterback here. Whether he likes or hates this quarterback class, whatever it may be,
Starting point is 00:22:42 this is just the scenario they find themselves in. It'll be Anthony Richardson. And then trevor i look at this and go is anthony richardson gonna actually start right away then because on this team kind of feels that way yeah do they have any quarterback options sam howell no sam howell's i mean not sam howell sam ellinger sam ellinger that's it right well do they still have matt ryan technically no you can start matt ryan you can you start nick fools yeah matt ryan matt ryan and nick fools that are under contract matt ryan is very there and and if you cut him, it's 18 million in dead money. So my mistake, Colts fans.
Starting point is 00:23:29 There you go. So we're starting with Matt Ryan. I apologize. You do draft Anthony Richardson, and you do let him season a little bit behind Matt Ryan. Could be a perfect scenario. That's actually way better than I anticipated. All right.
Starting point is 00:23:44 So we are four picks into this new draft order and we got four quarterbacks off the board we know that quarterbacks are going to go one and two it's just a question of who's now maybe going to trade up to number three overall which i think is something that is very much in the cards for the cardinals that was a little bit of a pun there. And if they go quarterback, I don't think this is unrealistic that we start with four quarterbacks off the boards in this draft. We have talked about the hype of this class and how it feels like it's been rising. And it feels like we have been moving towards a point where all four of these guys are going to
Starting point is 00:24:18 go high in the draft. But now with the Panthers officially trading up to one, I realistically see a spot where, or I should say not a spot, reality is where I think all four quarterbacks can come off the board. I mean, man, this is, when you really dive into this, because of the rat race, right? Like the competitive nature of it,
Starting point is 00:24:40 it just makes you, like how many years, especially last year, last year, remember like everybody was like, oh, is Kenny Pickett and Malik Willis going to sneak into the top 10. And then you talk so much about it that you kind of forget. It's still a long shot this year. You just have four guys at the top. The demand is insanely high free agency.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Honestly is, is going to thin out quick. The Lamar wrinkle, like your gut should tell you, especially when you look at this mock draft, that Atlanta should do everything possible to get Lamar Jackson. And we just hear that. We know it's not going to happen. We just know it's not going to happen.
Starting point is 00:25:18 The owners are together on this one. And they don't want, they do not want another fully guaranteed deal to happen they do not want it to happen no and no and lamar is going to pay the price for it he is which is totally bonkers totally bonkers i'll say right now if aaron rogers goes in non-jets route like is that the only team that they are up against it so badly? And I don't, I don't, by the way, I'm not leaning that way, but what's it going to take for somebody to do this for Lamar?
Starting point is 00:25:52 What's it going to take? See, I don't know. I guess this is a different, I'm doing a different episode right now, but I got here because Lamar, Lamar should impact this crazy demand at the top 10. Well, we have quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback? Yes. Like somebody here.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Here you go. Would you rather have Lamar Jackson paid a lot of money? Yeah, that's how it goes for quarterbacks that are really good. Right. Or you trade up for Will Levis. The crazy part of these conversations are when people, I saw somebody talking about this on Twitter, and I agreed 100%. People are talking about Lamar Jackson and the uncertainty of Lamar Jackson
Starting point is 00:26:34 as if drafting a rookie is not uncertain by nature. Oh, yeah. Like it just always works out. I haven't played a town yet in the NFL. I think that if people told you – if you went to people and you were like, Oh, yeah. Like, it just always works out. I haven't played a town yet in the NFL, you know? I think that if people told you, right, if you went to people and you were like, who would you rather have right now, Anthony Richardson or Lamar Jackson? Give in full context. Would you rather have Anthony Richardson on his rookie contract,
Starting point is 00:26:56 knowing nothing about how he's going to play in the NFL? Or would you rather have a former MVP, a former league changer, pay him a lot of money in Lamar Jackson. And I think a lot of people right now would be picking Anthony Richardson, which is crazy to me. That's, that's insane. Let's step back a bit, folks. Like AR is a fun prospect.
Starting point is 00:27:17 He's got a long way to go. I, I, the Falcons should have done this deal the second it became available. Now, I don't know. Instead of telling telling every reporter tell everyone we're not doing it i don't know exactly what lamar is asking for so like i don't know yeah so maybe the sean deal isn't when you get to talk to him so atlanta should have been the very first team in line to talk to lamar jackson be like hey we'll give you the full guaranteed, but maybe the number's got to come down or maybe the guarantee's got to come down and the overall numbers can be a little bit higher.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Like Atlanta should have at least been day one on the phone talking about this. Get rid of your first round pick this year, get rid of your first round pick next year, sign him and, and just absolutely flourish. All right. Anyways, we're digressing so hard here on this. But I am glad that you brought it up because Lamar should be impacting this NFL draft a lot more. And it just feels like he's not. Seahawks are up at number five overall.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Will Anderson's on the board. They're just going to sprint it in. It's going to be one of Will Anderson, Jalen Carter. I'm going to go with Will Anderson in this mock draft. Don't care who they have on the roster right now amongst the depth chart. I they've got uh boy mafe in there and he's a nice speed rusher but look none of these guys have the potential and have the ability that will anderson does so you don't even think twice about it will anderson seahawks easy so the lines at six is a little interesting here because you have the wild card of Jalen Carter right you have Tyree Wilson who
Starting point is 00:28:47 teams really really like they need a corner and as we're recording this Jalen Ramsey was traded to the Dolphins for a third round pick he does get it's official it's a third round pick he gets 2023 and 2024 fully guaranteed in the contract judging fromging from his tweets, it sounded like that was where he wanted to go. So people going, how is this this cheap? Well, if he wanted to go to Miami, that plays a big part in it. So great move for the Dolphins. You would think that would have been a nice move for the Lions, but maybe it's obvious he wanted to go to the Dolphins. So I'm a little torn here, Trevor. This is a scenario where if somebody was willing to take
Starting point is 00:29:28 the Jalen Carter risk, I could see the Lions actually moving out of this pick. Oh, OK. And saying, you know, we'll move back and take a corner. Like, would a Chicago come up for? And I don't think they would,
Starting point is 00:29:40 but would they come up for Jalen Carter if everything checked out and they're right back to square one of like they got the best defensive player in the draft. Right. But there's just too many variables to really walk through that right now. So I'm going to take Jalen Carter to the Lions. And this is with the thought that he gets his name cleared.
Starting point is 00:29:58 They're comfortable with the player. Things kind of come back down to earth a little bit. And they're OK with that i will say full transparency we could be sitting here in a month or six weeks and jalen carter is not going in the top 10 we just don't know but for the lions in this scenario they take him yeah i i agree this is obviously a predictive mock draft and i have to feel as though if Jalen Carter is in consideration at all at this kind of at this high of a selection, Lions are going to be one of those teams that are involved in it, because that means that the situation has not gone completely south with what Carter is dealing with off the field
Starting point is 00:30:40 and the incident of the car wreck and his role in it and what happened with authorities and all that stuff we're still obviously there's a lot of details that aren't there right now NFL teams are obviously trying to figure out what's the truth in that situation and all that so total wild card I agree with you but the Lions are certainly a team that are that are going to be in on Carter if he's still going to be considered a top 10 pick you had the Cardinals going with Tyree Wilson at number three overall in the last mock draft that we did. Tyree Wilson is still available on the board. There you go. At number seven.
Starting point is 00:31:10 It's too rich for my blood, but it's a predictive mock draft. And we have heard that the NFL really likes Tyree Wilson. And there's a lot of unique traits about him. Unique size. Unique power. Unique plays that he just puts out there on tape because of his rare build. And I just think that he does feel like he's destined for a top 10 pick because of how unique he is.
Starting point is 00:31:31 So we'll go Tyree Wilson here after the trade back for the Arizona Cardinals. So Tyree Wilson goes seven. That leaves the Falcons on the clock at eight. I am taking Christian Gonzalez in this spot. The long, athletic, often regarded top corner in this draft. The Falcons are in a weird predicament here where Carter, Will Anderson, and Tyree Wilson are gone. That's not unrealistic. That could very well happen.
Starting point is 00:31:56 And then I think they would pivot to corner. And I think Gonzalez pairing him with, you know, obviously AJ Terrell, that gives them two long physical kind of corners that that's a really, really good duo. So I just think they go. And I think they're more in on corner than people realize rather than reaching on somebody else. Yeah, it doesn't feel like the only other, the only other player that I really feel like
Starting point is 00:32:22 would be in consideration for the Falcons eight is maybe Lucas Van Ness. Yeah, possibly. If they love Van Ness, I feel like he could be up there for them. Chicago's up at number 9, so obviously you're falling back from number 1 to number 9. I think they're going to go top offensive tackle on the board. And to me, that feels like it's going to be Paris Johnson Jr. I think Paris Johnson Jr. is going to be OT1 in this draft.
Starting point is 00:32:46 It just feels like it's going to be Paris Johnson Jr. I think Paris Johnson Jr. is going to be OT1 in this draft. It just feels like it's where it's leaning. From the things that we heard at the combine to where these guys are being mocked right now to really Peter Skowronski's measurables once we got those official. His arms were a lot shorter than people even thought they were going to be. So I just don't feel like a lot of teams are going to consider him as an offensive tackle. There will be some teams that will,
Starting point is 00:33:06 but it's not a universal. And for this mock draft format, we know that the Bears are going to want to continue to build through the trenches. So it's good to get Paris Johnson Jr. on there. I'm curious to see what the Bears do in free agency this week and how that can potentially alter this pick. Or I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:23 I mean, maybe they go out and get a tackle. Maybe they pay Orlando Brown a gazillion dollars and then they take Skowronski to play them all over the other spots. Who knows? Who knows? But right now I would have done the same exact thing. Paris Johnson Jr. is a top 10 pick the Eagles at 10. We've heard all the reports about Darius Slay. We know James Bradbury is a free agent. This pick to me is Devin Witherspoon. He is one of the best players in the draft. This is a surefire need for the Eagles as it stands right now. He's worth every bit of that 10th overall pick. He's pro-ready. He's sticky.
Starting point is 00:33:54 He's got a great attitude, a really loud kind of guy, feisty kind of guy. He'll fit in with that defense very well. So for the Eagles, if Witherspoon is there, this feels like a very, very easy pick. Titans at 11 very common trench spot here for them right i mean you you you lose taylor lawan you're moving on from taylor lawan moving on from bud dupree ben jones their center they tore that they tore this thing down yeah this is getting down to the studs so i mean that makes them again a total wild card on what they might do here could this be a team to trade back they should i feel like it might be they should i could see them trading back and then maybe going with like a darnell right
Starting point is 00:34:39 later on is there right is there a trade partner we might be able to have here yeah yeah who would be want to be jumping the texans and the jets because i haven't i haven't thought of this before texans jets patriots didn't i do steelers coming out i did steelers to 10 because the steelers need a tackle yeah but i kind of like that. Here's one for you. That's a little bit off the board. I could see the Ravens coming up for Joey Porter Jr.
Starting point is 00:35:16 in this. I thought they were going to be in on Jalen Ramsey, and I know they've been all over the corner class. And Porter is not making it by what? That a great point the top 16 picks great point all right let's let's let's fire it up what's the value folks that's what's the value this one's tricky right because I again Broderick Jones is on the board Peter Skowronski is on the board are the Titans going to consider Peter Skowronski an offensive tackle I don't know maybe not you're not drafting a guard at 11 i don't think you're going to draft the guard at 11 so you really would have to have a lot of faith in broderick jones which they they do have
Starting point is 00:35:54 oh nicholas petite for air probably can play right tackle for you so that's that's not bad there they have dylan radins as well so dylan radins could be an interior guy for you. So if they wanted to go with Broderick Jones, they can. I don't hate that. But let's see what a trade could be like for him. Well, 50 for the Titans. That's the numerical value that we have on the draft chart. They don't have a second rounder, Baltimore. So this has got to be future assets, which Tennessee could do,
Starting point is 00:36:22 because Rand Carthen's a new GM. That's very true. 780. So we're off by about 500 points. Yep. Right around there. So the Titans. How about a fourth?
Starting point is 00:36:37 Do you think this is close? The 2024 second rounder and this year's fourth so you're saying next year's second and then what is that 25 125 points wise no no no that number the number i think it's number 125 oh the fourth round the fourth round is 124 correct yes i think titans could be in on that it's possible oh man we got the value way down on this one oh it's not moving never mind had to make sure they have that pick which they do they have all their all their top picks all right let's do it let's fire it off
Starting point is 00:37:30 let's make it happen let's make it happen so then i'm on i'm on the clock with the ravens at 11 still is that how it works sure i'm gonna i'm gonna take joey porter jr yeah because i love i love i love your idea here because yeah we've got a handful of teams. You know, maybe you don't have to trade all the way up to number 11, but at the same time, I think that Washington, I think that the Steelers, you're certainly right. The Detroit Lions at 18. Shoot, the Buccaneers at 19.
Starting point is 00:37:59 All of these teams could have cornerback on the board. The Patriots maybe at 14, depending on how the offensive line market falls. So we'll go, let's go Joey Porter Jr. Raven's getting ahead of this. You said they'd done some extensive work with the cornerback class this year. I like the thought process here. I could definitely see it.
Starting point is 00:38:14 So we'll go Joey Porter Jr. to the Ravens at number 11. So you're on the clock with the Texas 12. Doing my best to trade accepted. I didn't even have to click force trade. You'd love to see that all right supporter is a baltimore raven that would be a hell of a story it was that rivalry with the steelers and his dad somebody somebody asked him that at the podium specifically they were they were like what if you got drafted by the ravens and he kind of just smiled and he's like
Starting point is 00:38:41 i don't really hate the ravens he's like my dad hated the ravens but like i don't hate let me tell you from doing jet's pre and post with bart and willie and obviously they're like great friends now that rivalry is the being a new yorker like and just watching him from afar i'm like yeah i'm like whoa this is this is an all-time rivalry especially to those fan bases so that um yeah that would be it would be a lot of fun. Here we go. This is the exact quote. What if you were drafted by the Ravens?
Starting point is 00:39:09 Quote, I really never had no ill will towards Baltimore. That was probably more of my dad since the whole rivalry with the team. I just love the game of football. So if I end up there, that would be a blessing. Amazing answer.
Starting point is 00:39:22 That dude is just... I mean, he's already a pro like it's it's just too easy for him 12 the texans man so they got robert woods which is like a you know slapping a band-aid on a broken bone but it's i love what it would all right i do too no this is a good move for the tex. Let me make that clear. I agree. It's just that they still really need wide receivers, assuming Brandon Cooks is going to be traded,
Starting point is 00:39:52 which we know he's been dying to be traded. Brandon Cooks, you are a Carolina Panther. Hopefully John Mechie's back and ready to roll. This is tricky, this one. It really is, because I can go QJ, Jackson jackson smith and jig but i can go skaronski here honestly they need a pass rusher do they go van ness there are a lot of options on the table right here i texans i do look i know i know brandon cooks is pissed. It's an understatement. But who is he pissed at? Because if it was like Lovey Smith and the coaching staff for usage, D'Amico Ryan's in there.
Starting point is 00:40:35 And from everything we know about D'Amico Ryan's locker room is going to love him. Does that change? Does it change Brandon Cook's thought process? Because I think it's salvageable. You look at the Robert Woods signing, right? And you go, all right, let's throw Quinn Johnston into this. All of a sudden, one of the worst wide receiver groups in the NFL now is Quinn Johnston, Brandon
Starting point is 00:40:59 Cooks, Robert Woods, John Meche. It's not bad. I'm not saying we're lighting the world on fire quite yet but that's a lot better than what it than what it previously looked like i'd never really thought about the potential of them being able to hang on to brandon cooks but i'll let you make the pick it's your pick so i'm gonna go total curveball here and i'm gonna take uh van ness because they just they just have nothing up front. And this is a little early for me for Van Ness, but I know how high the league is on him. I like the idea of wide receiver. I still think Quentin Johnson's not going this high.
Starting point is 00:41:38 And if they can salvage that with cooks, maybe it kind of enhances their point to get one of the day two wide receivers. We'll see. So I i for the texans they have this unique competitive advantage that they can wait on the wide receiver run because they're right back in it at the top of round two so that's kind of the trick for me there so i'll take uh i'll take van ness at 12. okay jensen are up at 13. you and i have speed my friend you don't even know if you don't even know who the quarterback is as we do this show it's baker mayfield um hey be careful you know who he was connected to this morning no he's baker mayfield's gonna be a buccaneer man he's a buccaneer he's gonna be a buccaneer fire the cannons that's what they say, right? They do. They do say that. They do say that. Have you ever fired the cannons?
Starting point is 00:42:27 No, no. They got to get you. They got to get you to do that. This is like the new crisis, right? Mission. I would love to, but they are like, if I'm going to be honest, the people that they have fire off the cannons at the beginning of the game, because there's an air force base that's that's right next to Tampa, MacDill air force base.
Starting point is 00:42:43 So all the people that they have fire, the cannons are like multiple tours of duty. It's not like, it's not like celebrity. They don't have like celebrities. So it's like the ultimate respect. So it's just like, here's this person who risked his life for the country multiple times. And then here's a guy who tweets a bunch. Yeah. who risked his life for the country multiple times. And then here's a guy who tweets a bunch. Yeah, I was viewing it as like the Brewer's Park where the mascot goes down the slide
Starting point is 00:43:10 and like really anybody could just go down the slide. This is a little bit more of a serious operation. So I walk that one back. All right, so Jets at 13. I'm still going to go Broderick Jones. I don't really, I don't see a pick that would be more advantageous him or skaronski in that spot yeah and obviously like i like skaronski i just don't think the nfl is
Starting point is 00:43:31 gonna like him nearly as much especially for they have their they have their versatile guy in avt yep broderick jones We're going Broderick. They're expecting Dwayne Brown back and you need the next guy up because Dwayne Brown's approaching 40. He had the shoulder last year. That's a good guy for Broderick to learn next to. Still don't know what's going on with McKay. There's hope. Losing weight by the minute
Starting point is 00:43:59 but you gotta play. You gotta play. Broderick at 13. Definitely gets Connor sign off new England at 14. Love to hear it. Man, a lot of players that really made sense for them are gone going from Broderick to Paris, to Porter there.
Starting point is 00:44:18 I, there's one that has to be screaming at you. Is it Skowronski? Yes. Yeah. Him or JSNsn i don't think they'll take a wide receiver the patriots can't afford to not take skronsky skronsky over jsn no argument for me there skronsky is too good um obviously they need offensive line help very curious to see what happens to jacobyoby Myers this week.
Starting point is 00:44:45 All indications are that he will find a deal elsewhere, but that's not a lock, so we will see. And in this mock draft, they get honestly one of the best players in the draft. There's no understating that in Peter Skowronski. Packers at 15. A lot of different guys on the boards here for the Packers. Quentin Johnson's on the board,
Starting point is 00:45:04 Jack Smith and Jigba, Thornton Kincaid, Miles Murphy. No one's, I think no one's missed too small for him. I don't think. Yeah, they do play big edges.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Yeah. I think he's too small. And I don't think like, I don't think Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison, speaking of too small for them, they don't draft wide receivers that small. They won't do it. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:45:25 The only guy here that they would draft is Quentin Johnston, but would they really draft Quentin Johnston? I don't really think so. I wouldn't rule out Michael Mayer in this spot. I think Dalton Kincaid, Michael Mayer. Miles Murphy's still here, so I think Miles Murphy's on the board. Yeah. That's very much a green bay this is a tough spot for you honestly the more i look at it i'm gonna ask you a question
Starting point is 00:45:54 we'll see if i answer maybe you won't maybe you won't maybe just tell me to f off maybe we'll just be silent. Darnell Washington at 15. Yes. How do we feel about it? I love it. So I do too, but I'm asking you mainly, am I crazy for doing that in a predictive mock draft?
Starting point is 00:46:19 Because I think he's, I think, I think he is on the rise with his height, but I think that people are just getting really comfortable with Darnell Washington being available for the Bengals at 29. Yeah, no, and I'm not. He's a freak. It just doesn't work out that cleanly. What does LaFleur want to be?
Starting point is 00:46:38 LaFleur, especially with a young quarterback, and who the hell knows? I sit here, I still have no idea what the hell Aaron Rodgers is going to do. But let's, for the sake of the conversation the conversation say because this is what they are telling us it's the jordan love era lafleur wants to be a tough midwest running football team and that's what you do with darnell washington on the field everything about that you know from kyle shanahan's offense and down to la floor and how he's put his fingerprints on it is the versatility of being brawn and strength but still being able to come out of that and have athleticism to threaten in the passing game i this and to your point washington darn
Starting point is 00:47:19 out washington's going earlier than people think i don't know what else they needed to see how many guys like this have existed in the history of the NFL draft? No, not many. You're picking unicorns, right? And they've had one, you know, the Mercedes Lewis comp. They know that player pretty damn well. This is the spot that matters to them. That's the player that I think a lot of people compare Darnell Washington to.
Starting point is 00:47:40 He compares himself to him. In what he can bring to the table. You know, they're hoping he could be, shoot, an even higher ceiling. But I'm going to go with Darnell Washington compares himself to in what he can bring to the table. You know, you're there hoping he could be shooting even higher ceiling. But I'm going to go with Darnell Washington at 15. I'm doing it. Making 16 is pretty easy for me here. I'm going with Deontay Banks, the corner from Maryland. Nice.
Starting point is 00:47:55 I think Washington's in on that Porter tier. The Ravens went up and got Porter. Every time I watch Banks, the more and more I like him. It's the athleticism. It's the battle tested mentality. Long him. It's the athleticism. It's the battle-tested mentality. Long corner. This is what Washington needs. The offensive line run went kind of crazy.
Starting point is 00:48:11 Could Darnell Wright go here? Sure, he could. There's no doubt. He could. But I'm not really going to try to turn myself into a pretzel here. Go with Banks. And we've been very corner heavy for Washington this entire offseason. Yeah, Steelers up now at number 17.
Starting point is 00:48:25 Comes down to two players for me, really. And we've been very corner heavy for Washington this entire offseason. Yeah, Steelers up now at number 17. Comes down to two players for me, really. Well, I guess three. I mean, if they have Kalai Jekansi on the board, I think you're probably thinking about that at 17 with him. If you believe that he could be a massive difference maker on that defensive line. But you've already got a lot of studs on the defensive line. If you're truly attacking a weakness, it comes down to two players. Darnell Wright, the right tackle from Tennessee and Anton Harrison the left tackle
Starting point is 00:48:47 from Oklahoma I've heard more hype in the first round for Darnell Wright so that's where I'm gonna go here um not sure if he ends up a top 20 pick but there are some people who I've talked to who are like yeah yeah, I mean, this guy's got high recruiting pedigree. He's got great athleticism. He's got a mean streak to him. He played some of the best offensive. He played some of the best offensive tackle play that we saw in college football this past season. He went up against a gauntlet of different pass rushers and play them all
Starting point is 00:49:21 really, really well. So if you are a team that truly buys into all the high sides of what darnell wright brings to the table i do think that the top 20 is going to be in uh in range for him so i'll go with him there for the steelers steelers get a he fits the mold of the tackle that they would want on the right side i mean really dominate the trenches with that power and strength ability. And, you know, Wright's got the resume against different guys like Will Anderson and Berzee. So the Lions are on the clock at 18. They got Jalen Carter at six.
Starting point is 00:49:54 This is kind of the risk for them. In this scenario, I would have went up for a corner because now the top four are gone. And it kind of makes me wonder how they would play this situation, right? Because we know how desperately they need corner. This might seem early, but I like him like this. I really do. I'm going to take Cam Smith here, and I know some Lions fans might say it's too early, and I would agree.
Starting point is 00:50:20 I don't have him in the top 20, okay? But you need a good corner. You need a reliable corner. You got a BPA approach at six and Jalen Carter. I think you can move from 18 and still get banks or Porter. I really do. I think, I think the lions walk out of this draft with one of Gonzalez Witherspoon banks or Porter, but with the way this fell, it's a tough way to draft for need, but I still think Cam Smith's a really solid player and would upgrade that secondary. Because if you don't go that route here, I don't want to wait into the day two options and start to get into guys
Starting point is 00:50:57 that you could poke holes in. I want somebody of a higher caliber. So I'll take Cam Smith here, and maybe it won't be received well, but it's just the draft didn't fall right for them. And this kind of shows why I think they're going to be very, very aggressive with that first pick to get a corner. Any thoughts to Brian Branch still being on the board? Thought about Brian Branch.
Starting point is 00:51:17 I just think you need a guy that can play inside and outside. And Branch is a very big slot, safety-ish kind of role. I know the Lions fans really liked when we went down that road for them in the past and i still i like the fit for branch and i want to see what the lions can do in this offseason maybe they're not pigeonholed into corner as much as we think when all said and done but for this i yeah i'll go with cam so then i think his combine
Starting point is 00:51:39 really helps he's been kind of a fluctuating like yeah he might be around two guy now then he has the combine where he tests better and he's still got the size. Probably, you know, back into round one guy. So the Lions might be able to actually trade out of this pick in that scenario and still get him, but we're not doing that at this point of the mock draft. Bucks at 19.
Starting point is 00:52:02 And they're all over the place. There's so many different avenues that they could go here. Yeah. The roster is just changing so much. I think I'm going to go with Anton Harrison. I thought that's where you'd lean after they, yeah. Yeah, moving on from Donovan Smith. Release Donovan Smith.
Starting point is 00:52:22 Wide receiver room is fine. Tight end room is okay. They could certainly upgrade at tight end if they wanted to there, but they can get by with who they have. The corners, I mean, they might lose Jamel Dean. They might lose Sean Murphy Bunting, so they've got a big corner need,
Starting point is 00:52:38 but nobody's really left to tempt them. I don't think they've taken linebacker. They've invested a bunch of picks in the defensive line. So I don't know if they're going to, I don't know if they would pick a guy like Clyde. You can't see. I haven't really heard them been linked to Anton Harrison,
Starting point is 00:52:52 but this pick just makes a lot of sense to me. So if he's still there on the board, it's a super experienced left tackle. He's played a ton at Oklahoma started the last three years, started since his true freshman season, really nice in pass protection. You up the strength level of this dude, and I think he's going to be a really solid starter in the NFL. So Harrison on one side, Tristan Wirfs on the other.
Starting point is 00:53:13 You kind of figure out the interior as you go along, and I think that that's probably the area that they've got to attack the most. So Anton Harrison, 19 to the Bucs. All right, Harrison comes off the board. Now, folks, you've seen it, right? You've seen the stress of the run on two positions that we cannot stress enough. And duh, quarterback, but that's not really the point.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Offensive line and corner. And that is what teams are trying to figure out right now so they don't find themselves in the position that the Lions and the Bucs just found themselves in. I like Cam Smith and Anton Harrison. I don't dislike those picks, but they are trying to figure out, can we get one of the top three tackles?
Starting point is 00:53:52 Can we get one of the top four corners? These are the tricky parts of the draft. When do the runs begin? And this is a really good illustration of that because we have not had a wide receiver go in this draft yet. And this is a very real scenario on the table. So the Seahawks are on the clock at 20.
Starting point is 00:54:08 They got Will Anderson at five, which is just phenomenal for them. Absolutely tremendous. This one, I'm a little all over the place on Trev. Obviously, they're not going edge again. I do think this team quietly really needs a number three wide receiver to play between Lockett and DK. Because when Lockett was out, I do think this team quietly really needs a number three wide receiver for,
Starting point is 00:54:25 to play between lock and DK. Cause when lock it was out, you really saw the limitations of Seattle's passing attack without him. And that's going to receivers get hurt. So I'm going to take Jackson Smith and jig, but here because this is a home that he gets to play in the slot right away. Gino thrown to those three guys with Kenneth Walker. This is a really nice fit and team in Seattle that has a tailor-made role in their offense for Jackson Smith and jig but it'd be
Starting point is 00:54:51 a good player right away I mean that's that's we've talked about that a bunch here on this show setting up that wide receiver trio with Geno Smith I mean would be for them to come away in this mock draft with Will Anderson and Jackson Smith, you're getting two of the best players in college football over the last two years. So that feels like it's kind of what the draft is all about, right? You want to see how these guys play.
Starting point is 00:55:15 They played phenomenally. They're just two good football players. The Miami Dolphins have the next pick and they're forfeited. But the reason why we're bringing them up is because on Sunday as we were recording this show, Jalen Ramsey, now a member of the Miami Dolphins, huge splashes that this team has made over the last couple of years, hiring Mike McDaniel, getting Tyreek Hill,
Starting point is 00:55:35 obviously drafting Jalen Waddle, now trading for Jalen Ramsey, trading for Bradley Chubb. I mean, like this team is stacked. This team is not a team that is shying away from their winning window at all. They're doing what they need to do to go in. So Xavier Howard, this is on the heels of them moving on from Byron Jones. Patrick or Jalen Ramsey on one side, Xavier Howard on the other, Kader Kohu in the slot.
Starting point is 00:56:00 It's awesome. Really nice. And Javon Holland in the safety spot as well. So, I mean, I don't want to look over that. So, what a team. Miami is fielding there. It really truly is now all in Tua. I mean, sure, they got to upgrade the offensive line a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:56:15 It's got to stay healthy. Yeah, it's all in Tua now. Chargers at 21. Not really a corner to tempt them here at 21 as there has been in other mocks. They're not going to go linebacker here at 21.
Starting point is 00:56:36 I know who I like for them, and I don't think he's... He might not go this early now after the combine. Who, Addison? I love Addison for the Chargers. Yeah. He wins at all three levels. He's so polished.
Starting point is 00:56:53 He is really good. Does he go this high after the combine? Let me look at the Chargers. Are you thinking wide receiver or are you thinking elsewhere i mean i was looking at quentin johnson he's still on the board right i mean like quentin johnson i think makes sense i do think that jordan addison makes sense it feels like jordan addison makes sense for the now quentin johnson makes sense for the like future i would like to give them i would like to give them a D-line, man.
Starting point is 00:57:25 I really would. I know, but yeah, I guess. You thinking interior or just a big edge works? Obviously, they have Mack and Bosa. I think that Miles Murphy makes sense for them. Miles Murphy can, because they, I think they're pretty multiple if i if i remember correctly like they they do a lot of three four stuff they do some four down stuff
Starting point is 00:57:50 miles murphy is big enough to be able to play anything from a four eye all the way out to a seven you know you're not gonna want him in a wide nine because he's not that kind of a player but you could play him in in so many different spots. I think that's where I'm going to go. I'm going to go with Myles Murphy here. I like getting some new juice and some new talent along the defensive line more than I like forcing a wide receiver pick. So let's eat the vegetables a little bit here. Let's go with the trench player, and let's go Myles Murphy.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Myles Murphy to the Chargers, and that puts Tennessee on the clock because they traded with Baltimore. Baltimore came up to 11. They did indeed. All right, so this is where, oh man, I'm going to go with Nolan Smith in this pick for Tennessee. Ooh, they would love him. Right, he's a Vrabel.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Mentality alone. Fits Vrabel's identity. You have him playing in that front with Jeffrey Simmons. Like we said, they tore it down to the studs. No more Dupree. No more offensive line. The O-line run already came. Nolan Smith kind of is the hey, they're going to bring him in and be like, listen, man.
Starting point is 00:58:59 We're kind of going through a rebuilding phase. You've been a guy that can come into a program and lead pretty early on. We're going to need you to be that dude here. And I think he's built for it. Man, Vikings.
Starting point is 00:59:11 What are they going to do if the board falls like this? Wide receiver. There's no pass rushers there. You're not taking a linebacker this early and there's no corners left. Do they dare take Kalasha? Can't see. Do they dare? They were Cansey? Do they dare? They were the team that just took a swing on Jalen Twyman.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Here's one for you that caught my eye that I don't agree with, but I obviously respect the opinion. I thought I saw on Twitter that, yeah, because Jim Nagy tweeted this. Mel had Will McDonald going eighth overall at some point so i don't care about that right no i i looked at will mcdonald here like is i just want to know is he in the conversation in this spot yeah i think anywhere in the 20s he starts to get okay okay you know is it dairy smith still on a team but he's well doesn't seem very interested in the idea of that yeah he does not man they have zero corners they have no corners they have andrew booth jr junior yeah they cut uh cam dancer yeah which reminder folks corners that run in the four sixes
Starting point is 01:00:31 usually don't turn into nfl players don't really just kind of an easy threshold for you out there i'm gonna go jordan addison oh i like that i'm gonna go ask that's a that's a damn good pick yeah that's in you get justin jefferson could have gone quinn johnson really could have but yeah no i like it but i i like that the route running savviness of jordan addison to pair with what justin jefferson's able to do all over the field i really do think that jordan addison and justin jefferson it feels like because of how good they are route running because of how natural they are at the, because of how natural they are at the receiver position, you can just
Starting point is 01:01:07 use those guys interchangeably on either side of the field. Addison is 23rd. Chargers on the clock. Jags, no Jaguars on the clock. Oh, Chargers. Whoa, I just screamed it and I'm looking at the logo. Me and you both do this a lot. You were confident
Starting point is 01:01:24 about that one though. I was so confident. I almost let you just go about that i was so confident i almost let you just go with it yeah it's nice that you didn't um because i was making the pick i was making was for jacksonville not the chargers but i just said charges scream chargers like i said you were it's been a weird weekend all right the jacksonville jaguars on the clock at 24. They need some help on this defense. I'm really excited to watch this offense next year. I really am. And I think ultimately at 24, they look for BPA on the defense. And for me, that would be, oh man, there's two guys, Trevor, right now for Jacksonville.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Brian Branch. Yeah. Right. And Kalasha Kansey. I don't know if they're looking to deploy a tackle as small as Kansey. That's not really how they're built. Exactly. Like, this would be, that pick to me would be,
Starting point is 01:02:18 oh, we haven't seen them really do that yet, which has me, and this is a predictive mock, which means I don't try to predict things that we haven't seen happen in the past. So I'm going to go with Branch. With Branch, you get somebody that you could just play all over the secondary. Can't see who would be the more fun pick,
Starting point is 01:02:37 but with the defensive tackles they employ, I just don't have it in me to go that bold. Easiest pick of all time. If Quentin Johnson gets to the New York Giants at 25, sprinting it in. Sprinting it in. There's nobody even left to tempt me, I think, in this spot. Like, Dalton Kincaid, I think, is interesting. Yeah, but this wasn't close.
Starting point is 01:03:04 Yeah, right. You're right. You're right. Quentin Johnson johnson quinn johnson at 25 to the giant giants finally get their big speedy athletic wide receiver one type of potential player and i really have not done many mock drafts where this has been the case do i think that he's gonna last at 25 i think it's less likely than it is more likely but hell if he gets to 25 i think think that's going to be a pick. All right. So the Cowboys at 26. I am taking Zay Flowers for them.
Starting point is 01:03:30 Nice. Yeah. I think they need a more explosive dynamic threat in this wide receiver crew. Obviously, they have CeeDee Lamb, who's awesome. Michael Gallup still kind of working his way back to full. Tony Pollard on the franchise tag. I think they'll figure it out with Zeke. Zay Flowers to kind of round out dax weapons bills at 27
Starting point is 01:03:50 bijan robinson's on the board but i'm not gonna pick bijan okay um i think i'm going osiris torrence here i'd rather go o-line. Did you think about DeJuan Jones? Yeah, I did. Okay. And you know what? I'm thinking about him even more now. You want to know what? I'm really thinking about it.
Starting point is 01:04:18 I saw his name and I was like, ooh, DeJuan Jones. I was like, eh, you know, he could probably upgrade the interior a little bit, but throw DeJuan Jones on there. That's a Brown brown experience isn't doing it for you right yeah let's do that let's go with uh let's go with the one jones here i like it i like it a lot right tackle in right tackle out bangles at 28 i'm going with michael mayer i think they want somebody that can play in line could really do it all for them. I love the player.
Starting point is 01:04:47 He's a top 15 guy in this draft for me. Bengals tight end's been a popular pick. There weren't a lot of other options I considered here. I kind of ran this card in. Saints at 29. How about Derek Carr going to Chipotle as his first family meal in New Orleans? Did he really?
Starting point is 01:05:04 Yeah. What did he order? He said he was just overwhelmed by the amount of food his first family meal in New Orleans. Did he really? Yeah. What did he order? He said he was just overwhelmed by the amount of food options when he got to New Orleans. So he just went to Chipotle, which I know he's going to get crapped on a lot for that. And he should, but he should. Chipotle is, I do agree that when you don't know what to eat, you eat Chipotle. I am victim of that a lot. Yeah. Yes. Right. You're like, I really don't know what to eat you eat chipotle i am victim of that a lot yeah yes right you're like i really don't know if i want like a hero or chinese i'll just get a bowl of chicken and rice with chips and guac like cool we're simple creatures yes but new orleans you gotta open up
Starting point is 01:05:36 your you know expand your horizons that that's a wonderful city to eat in all right I think I'm gonna do it oh he's doing it he's doing it what is he doing I think I'm gonna take Bijan oh for the Saints Alba Camara is probably getting suspended this year obviously not the whole year right but right isn't that like kind of looking not to play cop or lawyer or judge i from from from people that i've talked to your expert legal consultants they're not experts they just want to make i just want to make it you're like i can't wait to wear that right now camara's getting no no we're not throwing jewelry we're not involving her um but i've talked to people and they're like yeah i mean he's we think that he's probably going to miss some time and Alvin Kamara.
Starting point is 01:06:27 It's 28 this year. He's 16 mil on the cap. Next year. He's another 16 mil on the cap. He saved nine mil. If you cut him. Yeah. And the two years after that,
Starting point is 01:06:48 basically you have to cut him by 2025. cannot be on the team by 2025 he is he is his cap number is 27 million in 2025 and if you cut him you there's only four million dead money did you know and let's not forget i'm an idiot, so this could be wrong. Sure, yeah. Don't guarantees void in NFL contracts if a player is suspended? Oh, if you're suspended. That at one point was indeed a rule. So we don't know Alvin Kamara's contract, but just saying this could enhance Trevor's point of taking B. John Robinson. We're going B. John Robinson.
Starting point is 01:07:28 30 to the Eagles. Wow, that sucks for me. You thought you were going to slam dunk it, nerd? I was going full Obi Toppin, just like hanging above the rim for 10 seconds, just ready to throw this thing down. But it's okay. I'll take
Starting point is 01:07:43 Kalasha Kansey. They got Witherspoon at 10. Oh, nice. I mean, that's a pretty damn good. Yes. Yeah. That's a pretty good. The Eagles walking out of this draft with Witherspoon and can't. He's just stupid for a team that was in the Superbowl last year.
Starting point is 01:07:56 Yeah. Three really good players on the board. Still for the Kansas City Chiefs here. Yeah. Will McDonald. You got Felix on a DQ. Zama. You got BJ.
Starting point is 01:08:04 I mean, those are the that's the three shoot you can even throw adetami way out of r.a in there if you wanted to and it's it's four really good football players that the chiefs have as options there this is a predictive mock and because mel the godfather did have will mcdonald going eight overall i feel like we should probably get will mcdonald in the first round here yeah so i'm gonna go with them and they don't trevor they don't have a player like this anymore like they cut frank clark and carloftis is you know the chipotle tank like he's a power guy right now they get their finesse guy this is a really good fit and a really big need yep there we go there we go. And there's the 2023 NFL draft for anyone that doesn't want to wait for it
Starting point is 01:08:45 to happen. Here it is. This is your post bears, Panthers slash pre free agency mock draft for you guys. I'll, I'll recap it here for you. Number one, overall,
Starting point is 01:08:57 of course, with the Carolina Panthers, not picking at one, have them go in CJ Stroud. Number two, Bryce young to the Houston Texans. We had the Arizona Cardinals trading back with the Las Vegas Raiders Raiders coming up at number three to go get Will Levis Indianapolis
Starting point is 01:09:09 Colts going Anthony Richardson Will Anderson going five to the Seahawks Jalen Carter going six to the Lions at that number seven overall pick we had the Arizona Cardinals taken Tyree Wilson Falcons at eight to Christian Gonzalez the Bears now at number nine to paris johnson jr dream scenario for them i think outside of maybe jaylen carter falling to nine but other than that paris johnson jr fantastic scenario for them devon witherspoon attended the eagles joy porter jr to the ravens at number 11 who we had trading up to get in front of the cornerback run or at least the rest of it i guess the tail end of it with witherspoon and gonzalez still off the board wanting to go get their guys so we got the ravens moving up with the titans
Starting point is 01:09:47 and number 11 to take joey porter jr lucas van ness to the texans at 12 roger jones of the jets at 13 peter skoronski to the patriots at 14 darnell washington to the giants at 15 deontay banks to the commanders at 16 darnell right to the steelers at 17 cam smith the lions at 18 anton harrison the bucks at 19 jackson smith the jigba to the seahawks at 20 miles mur right to the steelers at 17 cam smith the lions at 18 anton harrison the bucks at 19 jackson smith the jigba to the seahawks at 20 miles murphy to the chargers at 21 nolan smith to the titans at 22 in that little trade back there so they get a handful of extra picks and they give themselves nolan smith jordan addison to the vikings at 23 brian branch to the jackson mill jaguars at 24 quinn johnson of the 25. Zay Flowers to the Cowboys at 26.
Starting point is 01:10:25 DeJuan Jones to the Bills at 27. Michael Mayer to the Bengals at 28. B. John Robinson to the Saints at 29. Clyde Jekansi to the Eagles at 30. And then Will McDonald to the Chiefs at 31. Connor, I think we did good, my friend. I'm staring at this thing, and I'm actually genuinely impressed. And usually we finish a mock draft draft and I'm like, boy,
Starting point is 01:10:46 don't know what was going on with my mashed potatoes brain in that pick. This one, I really like for a predictive mock. Honestly, not to toot our own horn, which we do often on this show. We're never wrong. Have yet to miss on a prospect. For where we currently sitay afternoon as we are recording this this does feel pretty close i don't feel like we either of us took a lot of stretches for guys that we liked guys that we thought like i think this is this is pretty realistic for a lot
Starting point is 01:11:19 of these players i agree i think my biggest reach pick for need was Cam Smith to the Lions. And outside of that, I mean, I still think he's going round one anyway, and I still think the Lions definitely need a corner. So, yeah, this is we got some guys in here that, you know, like Will McDonald now in round one, Darnell Washington in the top 15. Quarterbacks going one through four. Biggest stretch if there was one. I don't think it is.
Starting point is 01:11:50 I just don't. I don't either. I don't either. You may think it's a stretch. We just think it's smart. I can't wait for free agency to ruin this sucker. Oh, what's the line? I don't want to ruin it.
Starting point is 01:12:02 What's the Joker line? What does he say? We'll title the episode with that. No, it's... I'm so embarrassed. Well, you blew it, folks. It's like... I'm not a madman.
Starting point is 01:12:17 Just ahead of the curve. And that's how I feel about Darnell Washington right now with this. I don't remember exactly what he says about me, whether he's a madman or a lunatic. can't remember i'm sorry yellow be in the comments if you're watching this bad boy on youtube first of all we appreciate it if you can subscribe to the channel like the video yes and yeah which what is it he does say just ahead of the curve it's i'm isn't it i'm not crazy let's see that's what that's the part that he does say just ahead of the curve they say uh he's labeled as crazy and he goes no i'm not i'm not no i'm not yeah i'm just ahead of the curve i'm just ahead of the curve that's the new motto of the pod let yell it
Starting point is 01:12:59 it's just got the green arrow behind it and it it's just that quote. I'm just ahead of the curve. I'm not crazy. I'm just ahead of the curve. Beautiful. Yell at me about that, about butchering the quote here, and let us know what you thought of this mock draft, whether it's a certain pick, whether your favorite team made a selection that you loved,
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Starting point is 01:14:27 That would be an easy way for you guys to do that. But Connor, got anything else before we get out of here? Man, exciting week coming up. Yeah, really awesome week. Free agency is going to hit hard. We are going to be back. We're going to be back multiple times before this, but a week from now,
Starting point is 01:14:41 we're going to do our little like post-free agency mock draft, which is, again, one of the most fun mock drafts that we do during the year hopefully you guys aren't too burned out with us doing back to back to back mock drafts but of course with the draft order changing number one overall we felt like we had to give you one here at the top so i'm excited for this week man i can't wait to see what happens me too i know we'll do an episode because i think we did this last year like how wave one or two for agency moves impact draft, which won't be a mock draft, but it'll be this move. Like it, love it, hate it, whatever. This is what it does to the draft. So if you are listening to NFL pods, you're like, I want grades on. I don't want the same old free agency reviews.
Starting point is 01:15:19 Ours will always reflect forward to the draft. So it's a wild week and we're gonna have a lot of fun with it we are indeed we're also going to get back to our player ranking episodes and we know a lot of you guys have been hitting us up about those we'll get into some of the final rankings not this week because it'll be really free agency focused this week like i said we'll have our post free agency mock draft the week after but then we're gonna get back to our final position rankings because shoot man at that point we're gonna be what back to our final position rankings because shoot, man, at that point, we're going to be what six weeks out from draft night. So we got a lot of positions and a lot of players that we want to watch to be able to discuss with you guys about where we think
Starting point is 01:15:53 they're going to go. Yeah, it's going to be a great time. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers. Thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. We'll see you next time.

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