NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 162. Collab Mock Draft with Brett Kollmann & EJ Snyder (Bootleg Football)

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers kick off the Collab Mock Draft Series with two of the best in the business: Brett Kollmann and EJ Snyder of Bootleg Football. The four go back and forth to form a brand new "what we would do" mock draft with a lot of in-depth discussion to go with their picks.

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, we are starting off the Colab Mock Draft series with two of our favorite in the business. It's EJ Snyder and Brett Coleman from Bootleg Football. It's gonna be so much fun. It's those two guys teaming up against Connor and I. Well, really against we're doing a mock draft together so it's a full first round mock draft

those two are going to control the odds connor and i are going to control the even so we're going to go through a what we would do mock draft so a little bit different it's it's less of a projection and more of how we see these players how they see these players and where they believe they should be going in the first round of the 2023 NFL Draft. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me as always is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers.

Boy, do we have a good one for you. It's not just a regular old Mock Draft Monday. It is the first edition in the collaborative Mock Draft series. And to join us, we have the bootleg football boys. We've got Brett Coleman. We've got EJ Snyder, who do a phenomenal job covering the NFL Draft and so much more over on their YouTube channel, bootleg football fellas. Thank you so much for being our first guest for this podcast series. We could not have started it any other way. Appreciate you guys joining us to give me

a lot of fun. Thanks for having us a little, a little two on two action to kick us off. I'm so excited for this one, man. Connor, this is something that you and i were talking about what were we gonna do getting down the stretch people have heard us do so many different mock drafts over the last two months so we wanted to bring some new voices in i'm excited because me and you get to team up we never get to team up it's always me versus you in the mock draft format so this is gonna be fun it's gonna be us versus them if you will going down a brand new first round mock draft so connor i'm excited about it man yeah we finally won't be at. It's going to be us versus them, if you will, going down a brand new first round mock draft. So Connor, I'm excited about it, man. Yeah, we finally won't be at each other's throats

for one episode. So it'll be really, really good. It'll just be like a bickering marrying couple, you know? That's what it'll be now. True, and it's a good time to tell everybody this mock draft will be a little different than what we've done in a sense where this is what we would do.

This is not what we think will happen. And I think that does create a competitive layer to it of how rankings are stacked of how things might be differing from team thresholds that we were joking about off air all of that stuff can be off the table if you want to take a five foot nine wide receiver go for it if you like them it doesn't matter so we're gonna have a lot of fun with it today i feel like you were sub-tweeting some certain teams there but i'll leave that to the audience i'll leave that at all to the audience to decide who would be doing that. Guys, before we get things kicked off to EJ and Brett, I just want you guys to know that this all started like three or four weeks ago.

When we got a comment from somebody who was like, have you ever thought about doing collaborative mocks? And if so, please do it with the bootleg football guys. So y'all were literally the very first one that our fans wanted to do this exercise with. So I'm so glad that we actually get to make this happen. This could be a blast. Yeah, bootleggers are a voracious group, man. They've infiltrated our comment section

in the best way possible. Yeah. Well, y'all do well y'all do fantastic work that's why that's why they wanted to see it they've got skills though they've gotten us opportunities all over and we're really happy to have this one but i don't know brett if we have ever been cast as peacemakers before no no and i'll have you know we're gonna instigate some shit so yeah i think that's a new one for us. So we're looking forward to it.

And again, getting the chance to say what we would do, as opposed to you see a lot of predictive mocks. Everybody says, well, they've done this in the past and I think they'll do this. And the new GM likes this. And we're going to throw that out today. We're just going to do what we think would be really fun for the teams. And I think that'll make a more fun draft all the way down. Yeah, I agree completely.

You guys are picking for the odds. So speaking of instigating, I can't wait for you to get to number 13 for the Jets and offer that pick for Aaron Rodgers just to see what Connor's reaction is going to be. But, you know, we're doing we're going back and forth. It's still going to be a back and forth thing. Brett and EJ are going to pick for the odds. Connor and I are going to pick for the even. So you'll get to hear us kind of talk these things out,

see where our thought processes are. And as EJ said, and Connor said as well, this is a what we would do mock draft. So it's going to look a little bit different. And we wanted to set it up like this because it allows us to get into the minds of our guests a little bit more and really hear what they think

about these certain prospects and the fits that they might have for this NFL draft. You guys are up at number one overall. EJ ej i know you're a big time bears guy i've been on your pot bears podcast before so i would love to hear you talk through the trade from them going from one to nine obviously we could talk a little bit about more about the bears when we get there at number nine but just before you guys pick for the panthers at one walk me through what they gave up to get to number one. Were you happy? What you thought Ryan Poles did throughout the process? And then we'll have you guys eventually make a pick at number one as well.

I was thrilled with Ryan Poles' move for several reasons. He needed to get more assets. He's in the rare position of having a number one overall pick and having a quarterback. They are in on Justin Fields, despite what people say. I think Justin knew that. I think Ryan knew that. And now the world knows that because they gave up the chance

to do that at the top of the draft. The real genius of the polls move with Carolina down to nine is getting DJ Moore. There is not a lot available in free agency with wide receivers this year. And there is tremendous contract control. People forget DJ Moore is still really young, has been tremendously productive and they needed a number one. They didn't think they were necessarily going to be able to get it in the draft or through trade. And he held firm. He got Justin his target. He got a lot of assets that are going to help build this team and they still are going to

get a top player they're still in the top 10 the only quibble i've heard is oh there was the talk of the double trade down well you guys know trades down uh both require two dance partners and are incredibly complex and can fall apart so i think when it got just hot enough below boiling brian pole said i'm gonna do it i'm gonna take the bird in hand i'm gonna get these assets i'm gonna lock up a number one wide receiver for my young quarterback i'm gonna keep the ability to build the bears couldn't be happier with what he did and then i'll go to i'll go to brett next just for carolina's side of things what do you think do you think it was too much for carolina do you think that was the going price and then ultimately i'll let that kind of usher into a discussion and you guys could talk

about who you want to take at number one overall if you were in charge of the panthers i think the the big thing is you have to look at the overall context of of the organization right they traded away christian mccaffrey and got better in the run game because especially with the style they play it's a lot of wide zone um you know a lot of split zone as long as the the crack is there there's a lot of running backs the NFL that can hit it you don't necessarily need Christian McCaffrey to do that and obviously Deontay Foreman last year didn't bring the same receiving ability but like they ran the ball really really, especially behind the left side of the offensive line. And I think that they, they, they kind of saw this trade up to number one through a similar lens of like, we can give up DJ more because there's really good day two

receivers in this class. We can try to get some production through the aggregate. The only thing that we can't get on day two is a starting quarterback. That's better than what we've had the last few years. They've been searching and searching and searching and keep striking out. They struck out on Darnold. They struck out on Baker. It hasn't worked out. So they have a firm belief that the guy they're targeting at the top,

they can just get that piece and then fill in around. Cause they have a lot of young talent, both on offense and on defense. And they think that they're just missing the quarterback and they can go on a playoff run, which the NFC South, sorry to say, Trevor, not super great right now. So if they can just get the quarterback, Brady's coming back. He's going to come back. Don't worry about it. Is he though? Yeah, he's coming back. Yeah, he's coming back. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. But that kind of leads us into okay well then who do you take at number one and even though personally again i'm a modern day alum

so i've been watching bryce young since he was 16 years old slinging around on fridays there we go uh you know devastatedly left socal but i i get it usc was in the dumps go to where you can win a championship and he did so i'm a big Bryce Young stan I also acknowledge that I think stylistically uh and in terms of build CJ Stroud to me is a better fit for the Carolina coaching staff I have not actually asked EJ this yet. EJ, are you in on Stroud for this, or would you more lean towards Young? I think our answer is strangely the same if it was me, and that is what we're doing here, so that muddies the water a little bit.

I think Bryce Young is a better quarterback. I do think C.J. Stroud is a better fit with what Frank Reich wants to do in carolina so it's a little bit of a shift here would we pull the trigger on young i don't know we could mix things up at the top and do that but in terms of what i think will happen i do think it will be cj stroud at the top i would actually be surprised and will be surprised on our live stream if it's bryce young and number one well i mean shoot he's connor he's the vegas favorite at number one for a reason um i and i'll connor i'll get your opinion in a second obviously because we'll be up with the

texans and then we could hit on that but are y'all gonna lock in cj stroud for your pick are you gonna make it bryce young what do you got i i definitely would would lock in cj stroud uh just because i think he fits Frank Reich. All right, there we go. C.J. Stroud going number one overall. Don't worry, everybody. Not every pick is going to be that extensive. We won't be here for five hours, we promise.

Although some of you in the comments love when we go a little bit longer on podcasts, but it's not going to be that long. But we definitely wanted to get their thoughts on the very top of the draft. Connor, that puts us up at number two. and i think the decision is very easy for us but you just your thoughts overall yes yeah of course uh yeah tana mckee actually pff darling um what do you think about their analysis their shroud going number one and then um i don't think i'm i'm ruining any surprises with us going bryce young at number two I'm I'm with them in a sense that, you know, when my rankings are published, um, on the week of the drug final rankings, Bryce young will be my QB one.

And he's, he's been for quite some time now, but that doesn't take away from Stroud and the importance of fit and the importance of also not betting on outliers. I understand teams not looking to do that. So, and listen, as we're about to analyze this picture ever, it's not the end for Bryce young. He's going to go number two. If this happens, it's a pick we'll gladly make. So I think it's a good sign that we have two quarterbacks that you feel really good about

them in this draft right now. Today, we could feel great about Anthony Richardson in the future and a couple of these other guys, but I think these two can play as rookies. I think they could play at a high level. I think Carolina is a phenomenal landing spot for a rookie quarterback whether it's Jim Caldwell Josh McCown and Frank Reich it's an unbelievable senior staff they put together a good mix of senior staff and McCown obviously being newer to coaching at that level but even when he was playing quarterback he was like having a coach in that room so that leaves us in a really good spot

that the Texans who, if the Texans were picking number one, I think this is who they would take honestly, when all said and done. And it's probably why, you know, maybe they weren't that aggressive to go with the pick swap to Chicago. I'd love to know those details after the draft,

but I think it's safely Bryce young at number two, it's what we would do. And it's what would happen. Ooh, I didn't even think of that until right now, learning what the details might have been as like people are kind of getting out information what the bears have yeah like oh oh the colts actually offered this you know the texans offered this like that's who that's some

spicy details that i'm looking forward again i agree i think that this is this is of course the bryce young selection here at number two overall so we'll lock that in for sure as much as the florida gator grad in me would love for anth love for Anthony Richardson to go as high as possible in this draft um it has to be Bryce Young you look at the way that obviously everything happened with Sean Watson with him exiting Houston like they they need to they cannot afford if you will to pass on the guy who has been so unbelievable and so obviously talented over the last two years in college football for what is a project in Anthony Richardson to achieve the consistency of the ceiling that you would need for him to have when Bryce Young has already shown time and time again. He is just a unbelievable quarterback, such a natural at the position. He just understands the playmaking so well.

The game truly slows down for this guy, it feels like. So number two overall, we don't have to waste too much time on it it'll be bryce young which then puts the bootleg boys back on the clock at number three overall with the arizona cardinals i'm curious to hear what you guys are thinking with the cardinals as well as maybe potential trade down people talk about this opportunity all the time so if you want to do that you talk that out as well so ej and i were kind of discussing this before we went on. Oh, that's good because Connor and I don't discuss anything. And we literally plan the show on the show.

And the listeners now realize that they are truly a part of the show because they're in the planning meetings because we don't talk beforehand. It's nice to kind of keep things spontaneous but one of the reasons why ej and i were talking about is because we control both sides of a potential trade here and we were we were talking about you know what exactly are the cardinals gonna do um obviously the the will anderson or tyree wilson or j Carter, whoever, right. Great players. They got holes like everywhere and they need picks. They need assets. They don't necessarily need to spend a third overall pick to fill that hole because there's a very talented defensive line class and they obviously need defensive line anywhere.

And so something that EJ and I were discussing and EJ, I want to take your temperature on this because the whole Tom Brady to Vegas thing that we all assume was going to happen fell apart. And because it definitely seems like Jimmy Garoppolo was a break glass in case of emergency thing. Are we still thinking sending the Raiders up to three to go get a guy to develop behind Jimmy G? This this comes down to the conversation of who would they go to get, right? Stroud and Young are off. You're going to have to give up significant capital to move from seven to three.

And it would be nice for Arizona, but it is also nice for the Raiders. And with their current coaching staff, I don't see them as a great fit to try and develop Richardson. And I don't think they're in on Levis at all. Certainly not trading up to get Levis. Now, if he falls to seven, that might be a different conversation. So while the Cardinals want to trade this pick, the most likely person they were team, they would trade it with as a Colts and the Colts are sitting at four.

And they're pretty sure that the Cardinals aren't going to take quarterback at three. So why give up a pick when you're going to get the player anyways? So it leaves Arizona in a bit of a quandary. I don't think Vegas is sold for the two top remaining quarterbacks on the board and certainly not to move up to do it. And I also think they're a little bit more in on Jimmy G than all their fans would like them to be. I believe they think that's their starter moving into the season. Whether or not you like that or not as a Raiders fan is a whole separate conversation. So are you thinking stick and pick then?

I think it's going to be tougher to trade that pick for the Cardinals unless somebody is absolutely dead on locked on Richardson and does not want the possibility of him going to the Colts because I think that is a real possibility. Well, let me, let me ask you guys this controlling Detroit. Would you come up to three? I don't think I would Trevor.

Would you, I'm intrigued by coming up for Anthony Richardson, but I also think Detroit's in a spot where they can win with golfer right now and not have to surrender. I mean, even from six to three, I feel like the assets are pretty significant in that move. Unless Arizona just wants out of the pick, no matter what. Yeah. I just think Arizona wants assets. That's all. Yeah. Arizona, Arizona would definitely look to move down. It's.

So when I look at a potential trade-up for the teams that we're controlling, my mind actually goes to Atlanta. And I wonder if Atlanta looked at passing up on Justin Fields a couple of years ago and kind of the quarterback situation that they've been in ever since. Obviously, they didn't expect things to end the way that it did with Matt Ryan, but here they are we've talked about atlanta being a destination for lamar jackson why because it feels perfect right arthur smith what he does in the run game being able to marry that with the weapons that they have in the past game with drake london and kyle pitts their offensive line up front

are just a bunch of earth movers in the run game. Tyler Algier is a great guy to lean on as they continue to build out that room. Does Arthur Smith and do the Falcons look at Anthony Richardson's dual threat ability and go, this is the guy. This unlocks what Smith might really want to do on offense. And I just find it very interesting. Maybe it's just a straightforward thing or maybe there's a hidden meaning to it but i i was very surprised atlanta came out right away and just said no no no we're not interested in lamar jackson at all because

it's like okay this is one of the teams that should absolutely at least talk to the guy but then you know it feels like the nfl was kind of in on it and nobody wanted to do that so they brought the price down um a little bit of collusion there but well well um a little light collusion that's just a little sprinkle of collusion as the nfl typically does during the offseason but i that's all that to say that's where my mind goes does atlanta look at their quarterback spot believe that this guy's so talented unbelievable dual threat could be perfect for what arthur smith wants to do connor we control number eight do you think this is something that we should have the falcons do and what we control number eight. Do you think this is something that we should have the Falcons do

and what we would do mock draft? Or do you think they should stay at number eight? What do you think? Yeah, I do. I mean, they also have an infrastructure that Anthony Richardson doesn't have to play right away. They gave Taylor Heineke legitimate backup quarterback money.

If Desmond Ritter just doesn't have it in this camp or out of the gate, whatever road they go down. So do I think Atlanta does this? No, but this is what we would do. And I think we should explore moving up to three Atlanta's in no man's land. Like, yeah, maybe you get Christian Gonzalez there and he's an awesome player and you'd love to watch him in that secondary,

but what is the future at quarterback for the Falcons? Maybe Ritter works out. That'd be great. Awesome for them. I can't sit here confidently and say that I'd rather have a guy with all the tools in the world, like Richardson waiting in the wings. So I think that's the play for us here, Trevor. I think Atlanta trying to get up to three from eight out of position themselves to take the third quarterback off the board. How do we feel? Because now we're in the, now we're in the negotiation room with the, with the, with the, with the two gentlemen on the screen. Oh, that's a stretch.

I'm looking at the draft pick evaluator, and we're at 1,400 points for Atlanta's number eight overall. It's 2,200 for Arizona's number three overall. Connor, I feel like it would take at least a second this year. Yep. You don't want to give up a second next year, but what if they gave up a second next year and then also asked for the Cardinals' fourth next year in return? Yeah, a swap is reasonable, I think.

What do you guys think about that? Does that get the deal done? Yeah, I'm not the one on the phone, by the way. You got to talk to them. All i like it i'm atlanta okay cool sure how do you guys feel about it i'd be good with it because you're getting a couple extra top 100 pigs you're giving up a day three you know cardinals need all the assets they can get so i feel comfortable and they want to get out of the pick that's the biggest thing is this is their out right other than this i don't see an out just an aside to me that's fascinating i spent a good

couple hours yesterday with a hardcore atl fan 101 i was taking him to the airport it's my my brother-in-law basically and he has followed the falcons for 30 years and i was like all right i'm gonna pick your brain i'm gonna do a little pre-funk for tomorrow's podcast. Like, would you, are you interested in Lamar? No, they're hard set on rare. I was like, well, what about Anthony Richardson? Because he lives in the South. He'd seen plenty of Anthony Richardson.

He was like, they believe they're going on Richardson. They're not going for another quarterback. And I was like, huh, that's interesting. That's not what I would have said. And said again this is what we're doing mark but um i think you get a little pushback from the atl fans they they believe in ritter probably more than we do but in terms of the trade yeah god bless them they're gonna have to live with that one way or another might work great might not we we liked ritter but it's a question of where you're gonna go ceiling wise. As far as the trade goes, I think we'll take it because it gets us out of the pick and we stay high.

This isn't like we're trading down to 25 and losing any possibility of getting what we might have taken at three. We're going to get a similar asset, plus we're going to get more assets and Lord knows we need them. so then we'll we'll make the deal happen what we normally do on the show is the team whoever's controlling the team that's trading you still control the same team so we'll move from atlanta to number three we'll make the call at number three we'll take anthony richardson so we will still be on the clock at number four and connor the motto of the show is will levis you are in indianapolis it always ends up here it always ends up here now we're in control i just wanted to see the reaction dude it Dude. It's not even noon yet.

I can't drink that much. God. Brett's like, what did we do? How did we end up on this podcast? Trevor, I will say, before we get to the Colts, I just want to say, how about the basketball trio of Kyle Pitts, Drake London, and Anthony Richardson on an offense? It's pretty fun to think about. trio of Kyle Pitts, Drake London, and Anthony Richardson on an offense. Dude.

It's pretty fun to think about. If these guys go to the Pro Bowl, if there's a three-on-three game, it's over. Yeah, I mean, and your fourth man at that point is Cordero Patterson. Oh, that's true. CPAT off the bench? Fourth man? It's true.

All right, what are we thinking for the Colts here, Conor? I mean, we know Ballard has to take a quarterback he has to i know i know i i do not love this situation at all we we kind of we kind of played ourselves i'm not comfortable putting my name on will levis as a top five pick that's's what this comes down to. I'm not. So did we just take a quarterback because they have to? Or we did play ourselves, by the way. Can you pretend it's Lamar? Yeah, I was going to say, do you write the offer for Lamar Jackson at this point? Because you are in a corner and you do. You have to get a quarterback.

Let's not say pick. You have to get a quarterback. And's not say pick. You have to get a quarterback. And at this point, like, go for it. Like, because I'm sorry, Lamar Jackson helming that offense. Yeah. Yeah, I'm all in. First of all, we will not slander Gardner Minshew on this podcast. We won't do it.

Okay. Very fair. Hey, quarterback. garden mincio on this podcast we won't do it okay very fair but hey quarterback i also i did want to say this because i texted um pff salary cap guru slash free agency oracle uh brad spielberger about this and went hold on here brad the lamar jackson situation you know giving two first round picks to a team specifically it's like can that wait until after the draft? Like can a team that has a top 10, top five pick who might be interested in Lamar Jackson, can they wait until after the draft and then potentially try to sign Lamar

in its two future first round picks instead of a guaranteed top five, top 10? And he said, yes, the timeline does line up to where you can still do this after the draft. And so Connor, we could operate under the thought that the Colts are going to do something else. A quarterback can maybe take a guy like Paris Johnson Jr. to help out the offensive line.

You know? Not crazy at all. Could potentially play guard for him. We think he's going to be OT one off the board. Obviously, he's been fantastic at tackle as well. You don't have to fully rely on Bernard Ryman to play left tackle tackle for you even though i still think he's a good offensive lineman i'm just spitballing here what do you think no they need they need offensive line help it's no secret i do think we we have to operate just to save ourselves with our insane lamar jackson plan

which is awesome it makes this pick a little bit more fun for the what we would do mock draft i mean you could talk me into paris johnson who's the most prototypical tackle prospect in the draft you could always talk me into will anderson in this spot it's it's really premium defensive talent versus trying to get that franchise tackle but it's you don't if you're giving lamar jackson what 200 million dollars guaranteed or whatever it's going to end up at, are you just putting him behind no offensive line? Probably not. That seems a little bit insane. Probably not.

I'm okay with taking Paris in this spot. Seems crazy to not take Will. It does. I get it. Can I offer a slight interjection that might help you with this? Please. So the Colts have the seventh highest cap space in 2024 at $100 million projected right now based on over the cap. Again, if they do it after the draft, well, actually, yeah,

if they do it after the draft, I believe because we're already past the January 31st date when they do contract checks, obviously the signing bonus would count for this league year, which right now they have $20 million, so they would have to do a little bit of finagling in terms of opening up money for a signing bonus. But all the other money that has to be guaranteed and put into the escrow account doesn't have to be done

until March 31st, 2024. So Ursae would have some time to raise money to do that. And I'll tell you what, if they brought in Lamar Jackson, they could raise a lot of money in 12 months. Yeah, it comes easier. No, that's a great point. It's a great point and makes this selling point of what we would do stronger, honestly.

I'm in. I'm in. Trevor, what do we land on? I'll go ahead and answer. Like, both sides. Trevor, I love this. Like both sides, you get your player now in the top 10, you get your quarterback. You don't have to put Will Levis in a spot where he really shouldn't be. He like this is really good from just about every angle. Connor, I feel like we can't overthink this and we have to take Will Anderson.

I think so too. I've kind of been letting that stew in my brain for the last 90 seconds. And as much as like, rule of thumb, it's just so hard to reach for need when a blue chip talent is staring you in the face. So I think Will Anderson ends up being the pick.

And Lamar we know can run for his life. No matter the offensive line. I don't know about that line i don't know about that i don't know about that but you can go offensive line at different times when will anderson's staring you in the face i think that's what you gotta do so there's will anderson the pick at number four lamar jackson you are in indianapolis colt uh which puts the bootleg fellows back up on five okay hmm okay hmm so i'm looking at our options i'm beat i'm between tyree wilson and jalen carter here yeah that's i had a feeling would will have been the no-brainer if he made it here i don't know about no-brainer because we

we both love tyree wilson and so and john schneider like saying no-brainer and seahawks in the first round is like go ahead like feel feel free take your life in your hands but rashad penny didn't surprise you i've i've given up trying to say people like well you live in the northwest you should know and i'm like no no no no that has nothing to do with it doesn't work like that it does not work like that the the interesting piece here is does anybody does anybody want any of those players and i don't necessarily think they do because there's still a couple here if you're talking about blue chip defensive talents it's not just one if somebody was like we gotta have an edge coming out of the first round look schneider loves to trade down and he would take those assets but i don't think anybody's

clamoring because they're like if they take x we get y or we still have the option to go get y so i i don't know i if we wanted to shake it up here and there's been a little bit of buzz you all have probably heard it that a lot of seattle fans saying no we've we've we've taken a 180 and we're going character first we built the whole team last year, character first. And I'm not besmirching Jalen Carter's character because we're not there. We don't have that information. His character might be just fine. His tape is better than just fine. Yeah. But there's that little thing about Seattle, just kind of zagging until last year when they basically went straight down the board and just crushed everybody. And we we all went where's that been for 10 years but there's that little zag out of seattle

right and i feel like they might just take tyree wilson because he's a hell of a player and he would look really good in their defense make no mistake so brett flip a coin carter wilson i'm fine with either one i'm gonna err on the side of caution which isn't that cautious because he's still amazing regardless and say let's go tyree wilson and also by the way uh they brought in coach bt jordan who's like one of the best pass rush coaches in the entire league so if there was anybody that was going to turn tyree wilson into like an absolute freaking superhuman it's probably him. And I,

I would be very much intrigued to see them work together. All right. Tyler Wilson, Tyree Wilson off the board at number five to the Seahawks. Connor, what are we thinking for Detroit here at number six? I mean, we have, we have options.

That's safe to say. I think that if, if Jalen Carter figured it out, this would be the place he would just it would be scary you're talking about scary stuff this is interior of a defensive line that could use a talent like him obviously there is risk associated with this pick we don't know if brad holmes and dan campbell um are at the point of this it's not a rebuild anymore this was a competitive football team last year are they at the point where they start taking these level of swings but for this situation trevor it might be worth it i mean it's

going to be a little hard to talk me out of jalen carter especially with the free agency moves at corner they were able to pull off and the depth of this corner class with them also still picking at 18 yeah that the 18th pick sways me to think that you can take the jalen carter risk here at number six if they didn't have pick number 18 I would tell you that this one comes down between two selections for me, Jalen Carter and then Devon Witherspoon, a guy who we absolutely love at corner. I understand that they spent a lot of money at corner, but for as much as I love Emmanuel Mosley, he's coming off an ACL tear. Anytime you have a lower body injury as a corner, like that's just something that you got to deal with. Of course, people look at the upside of Jeff Okuda,

but it's not solidified that he is going to for sure become a full-time starter for them in the years to come. So yeah, I like the signings. I like the moves. But again, if they didn't have 18, I'd probably be going corner here either way. But because they do, I do think that this is a team that you take the chance on Jalen Carter

because the man was built in the lab. He's got unbelievable talent. Certainly when we looked at just the film, I had him as the number one overall player in this class. So I'm cool with the Jalen Carter selection here if you are. Absolutely. Signed, sealed, delivered. Let's do it. Jalen Carter, the Detroit Lions at number six.

Means you guys are back up with the Raiders at number seven. Had a little bit of a quarterback discussion with them about moving up. You decided not to do that. Well, Levis is still on the board. Just throwing that out there. I don't know. You know, I don't know if now is it's still too early to drink. I think EJ would throw me out this window.

I don't know if now is too early to drink, Brad, but I'll listen to you me out this window now it's too early to drink brad but all right i'll listen to you guys talk this out to number seven the only thing i'm terribly sad about here is that we missed jaylen carter being a raider by one pick oh come on that would just would have it would have felt like when warren sat went to the went went to the raiders it just would have been fun um but you know left with a lot of good options for the Raiders here. I, well, again, it's what we would do. Brett and I don't believe that Las Vegas is in on Will Levis. We just don't.

I believe they will let others take their chances with Will Levis. Again, good prospect, but there are better prospects on the board here. And again, as the Raiders, you have things you need to build. You're happy with Jimmy G as your quarterback um i don't know i'm thinking you're looking at top corner here yeah and it's like you get your choice we both love witherspoon a lot um and he's somebody like hobbs when when hobbs is healthy he's a top tier nickel. Yeah, he's a great nickel. You're looking at Duke Shelley and Amik Robertson outside. No shade against either of those guys, but I think Witherspoon's better.

EJ, are we kind of in lockstep on this? Yeah, it really comes down, and I was going to lean on your expertise of zone or man in terms of bias, because I think Gonzalez and Witherspoon, you could shade either way. I'm not sad with either player. I mean, I would be thrilled for Raiders fans that they get to see either of those players. I think they are top-tier corners.

It really comes down to, do you want to play more press? And if you do, Witherspoon's your guy, press and contact. If you want to play a little bit more in space, Gonzalez is adding that aggression, but it's nowhere near the level of witherspoon is already at in terms of a physical impact from the corner spot i would say witherspoon just feels more like a raider to me i would agree i'm fine with that that works for me all right there we go devon witherspoon number seven overall to the las vegas raiders i mean

i've i've heard i've heard similar that they're very in on this quarterback corner back class and that's there's a legit chance that uh one of the top corners if not the cb1 in this draft could go off the board here at number seven um oh you guys so you guys actually have three picks in a row if you're still controlling the cardinals because we had a trade back from number three to number eight with the Atlanta Falcons. So that puts you back on the clock once again for Arizona. We could just go back to that corner and just say, let's just take a good player and go Gonzalez.

I'll let you on that one. If that's the way you go. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at who's left on the board. They're not going to go after Levis. The receiver of your choice. no, you can do that. Later on, I don't think there's anybody that necessarily sways you.

I'm starting to get into the JSN area where I would start thinking about it. It's not what I would do here with a guy like Christian Gonzalez still on the board. I think, again, same argument you guys used for Will Anderson. When you're staring at blue-chip talent, you need it. You just take it. Yeah. Let's lock in Christian Gonzalez. That'll give him a quarterback group at the moment.

Marco Wilson, Christian Matthew. Oh, God, yeah, man, they really do need Christian Gonzalez. They got thin face. I'm man. They really do need Christian. I'm not going to read any more names. When Byron Murphy and Zach Allen signed elsewhere, I was like who plays on this

Taylor Williams. You are an Arizona Cardinal. Now he's getting in on it. Connor, that would have been that would have been my selection. Before I remember that they actually pick at number eight instead of us, I was already queuing up Christian Gonzalez to go to the Cardinals. And to me, it sells home the point the guys drove

when they got to pick number three of sell this pick for assets. You don't even have to charge a premium tax. Just get capable assets, and they did. They got the extra second rounder this year, which is a top 50 pick, and they got the pick swap of a four to a two next year, and they got Christian Gonzalez, which is a really, really good player. He's got all the traits in the world you want to corner for a defense that, I mean, spin the board and take any position.

Just take the most talented one. Yep, yep. I agree completely. EJ, you guys are back on the clock and your Chicago Bears are sitting here at number nine. I'm excited for what they, yeah, what they do here. Yeah. To hear what your analysis is of the board as it stands right now.

So we have every single offensive lineman available, EJ. I understand this. I'm looking at the board right now going, all right. He has a giant smile looking at all these names. It is. It comes down to fit. And we had a long talk about whether or not we had a great podcast talking about offensive line. And, of course, the question that comes up is Skowronski guard or tackle, right?

We got to lean on Brandon Thorne, one of the outright experts in offensive line play. And his view is really that Skowronski is a blue chip guard and a red for scouting parlance tackle. A good tackle could get to be a pro bowl tackle, might be an all pro guard. So he believes he can play in either place, much like his predecessor, Sean Slater, who went to the Chargers with a very similar set of arguments. So a lot of people are linking Skowronski. He grew up in Chicago. He went to Northwestern. We won't mention that he was a Packers fan. But other than that, Skowronski is a hard link to the Bears. But, you know, Poles is doing, Poles is a former offensive lineman himself. He's doing a lot of work on the offensive line. He was, he was all in at the Ohio state pro day. Obviously they got two tackles that he was looking at.

You know, I'm not, I don't, I think a guy like Anton Harrison goes later depends on what you think about Broderick Jones and whether or not they want to run that athletic wide outside zone. And it really just comes down to flavor because like Brett said, we've got them all stacked on the board here. I don't discount the outside like I said I'm starting to get into the JSN range and you would be reuniting him with

Justin Fields so he'd be up to speed faster and you look at that receiving court you start talking about DJ Moore JSN Mooney and then you're bringing in you know a big slot that's got a lot of speed as a as a four pack and saying oh that looks a lot different than what Chicago was staring down the barrel of last year so um flavor for tackle is really where it comes in and left or right that's the other thing some of these guys I think are much better natural left tackles some of them are right tackles I think the Bears really are looking for a right tackle I think they like braxton jones and what he did uh and with better support around the offensive line which they're going to have through multiple additions they already got a guard um you know i think they really are sort of locking into right tackle and that makes this an interesting

discussion so brad if you had to pick if you had to pick who would you take so because of the right tackle thing where we're just not sure what's going on with Tevin Jenkins and this has been an ongoing storyline for like two years now an underrated bear storyline is like we're not sure if the bears even like Tevin Jenkins you know he gets on the field he plays well but there's just always been this background of is he actually in the long-term plan I would lean towards Garansky because regardless of what happens with Tev regardless of what happens with Whitehair you know whoever stays healthy the fact that you can put Skoransky anywhere means that you could just get your best five on the field and he'll fill in so I feel better about Skoransky because

of that and we can just let them figure it out in August. And no matter what, they're getting better on the offensive line. Is that fair? I think it is fair. And I don't feel bad in any way about Peter Skowronski as a player, as a person, as an asset, as a flexible reason to say, we're not sure how this offensive line's going to shake out. Is Whitehair going to stay a guard? Is he going to go to center?

Are they going to draft to center? They might. Are they going to move the guard from left to right? We don't know. Are they set? Is Tev going to right tackle? There are still a lot of questions. With Skowronski, you get a sort of multi-chip piece

that you can just put in there and go, wherever you go, you got a really smart guy, great hand use, who is incredibly quick off the ball. He's good in the run game he is not as powerful as slater is but he has power in the run game it's kind of like a cure-all for a position you know you need but you're not exactly sure which one so you take skoronski and say yeah i'm good with that now i will i will cry a tear for jsn the jsn justin fields reunion that we're here by you know pretty much ending uh but i'm not going to be sad about selecting a really good football player in peter skrotsky all right all right locking it in peter skrotsky so we're doing me all right yep

skrotsky number nine overall the chicago bears connor that puts us up with the philadelphia eagles at number 10 curious where your eyes go us up with the Philadelphia Eagles at number 10. Curious where your eyes go to first with the board the way that it is. Right. They're so interesting because the roster is loaded. They brought back their corners somehow. Right. It felt like this pick was so easy for so long.

So you're like, all right, they're going to. We kind of thought they'd lose Bradbury and they didn't. They were like, oh, they're losing Slay. And then they didn't. And he even said it. He was like, ah he was like ah it's been good and then it's like wait i'm not leaving it's like oh okay so we did the wolf of wall street gift and we've gone over trevor that they paid avante maddox like that even if you want to kind of give the fu and like you know we'll still take a corner we like and we'll just play them all on the field and figure it out. Like they're not even really built for that right now. So for me, my mind really goes to places.

We know that they're always looking, always looking for great athletes for the defensive line. And that's where I look at Kalijah Cansey. And then because this is what we would do. Then I'm also looking at here's all the weapons we have on offense. Try to stop us and take Jackson Smith and Jigba. There it is. So I think I lean with the ladder, uh, in this scenario, I have no problem taking Jackson Smith and Jigba in this spot, trotting out AJ Brown, him Devante Smith. Obviously you have talent at tight end with Dallas Goddard. They're going to make anything work at running back.

I'm not taking Bijan here. I love Bijan. Bijan's a no-brainer top 10 player in the draft, but this would just be a little early for me. This is just kind of one of the more fun picks we're able to do. I would lean JSN. Brett made a face. I want to hear what the face is for with JSN.

I mean, even if all of their age and turnover on defense even if their defense takes a step back if they're scoring 37 a game who cares exactly no it's insane i hear you a couple a couple of things it'd be funny if the eagles did still have a major secondary need like let's say one of slayer bradbury was gone we'd probably be picking joey porter jr in this spot right at number 10 and that would be three corners in the top 10. which I don't think we've gone through an exercise where that has happened before but all of the spots certainly made sense so I just thought that that was interesting I also looked at JSN I think I'm leaning that direction because it's just hilariously awesome to imagine. The only other one that I would say is Paris Johnson Jr. is still there.

And as of right now, they don't have a major offensive line need, but the Eagles got to where they were because they consistently, I don't want to say to, to a fall cause it's never really to a fall, but like they over-prioritize the trenches on offense and defense. Lane Johnson is still there. Jason Kelsey is still there,

but Sumelo is gone. So I think Juergens is maybe going to slide into one of those spots, but they don't love him at guard. And I like him a lot to be a Kelsey replacement. And so, you know, that if next off season comes around and both kelsey and lane johnson retire which is very much in the cards if you already had paris johnson jr on your team

it's gonna all of a sudden you don't even blink like you don't even blink it doesn't matter if you don't have an early first round pick again like it's just you're getting these guys in so i would say one of the ohio state guys paris, Jr. Or Jackson Smith and J-Bub. But honestly, dude, I'm great with either. And it would all be all for the hilarious score. 37 points a game.

If we went with JSM, I think we have fun with it and go with JSM, but I love your outline of Paris, especially if he played guard two years ago. So it's not even outrageous to ask him to hold the Ford at guard for a year at the pros i like him as a tackle better obviously but it's an interesting outline and something that we should start forward thinking on for actual mock drafts where we're looking at what the team could do and not just he played in not just with paris johnson specifically it's not just that he played guard he played right guard and then he flipped over to left

tackle so i was thinking about that actually when those guys were talking about peter skronsky who i not just that he played guard, he played right guard. And then he flipped over to left tackle. So I was thinking about that actually when those guys were talking about Peter Skronsky, who I love the Skronsky pick. I think he's a phenomenal football player. But like if he, I think Paris Johnson Jr. also brings that versatility because you've already seen him do the reverse side footwork because he started at right guard and then obviously flipped over at left tackle. So I think that that just goes into it too. But we uh we'll take jackson smith and jayba here at

number 10 which will put you guys back on the clock at number 11 for the tennessee titans yeah i have fun yeah it is fun and i have to say that's actually the first pick as we're going down that i'm really glad we didn't have that i was like oh i want to see what they do because like connor said it was so easy for a while and sometimes when you're doing all of these and picking for every team you want a couple easy ones right it's like oh look philly lost both corners there's a bunch of good corners they get a corner like you just and then it was like well they got one corner they could still take a corner for the same reasons you talked about them taking tackle like they're gonna lose

corners eventually they're getting old they want to have guys in the pipeline and then they got the other cornerback and i was like well hell howie what are you gonna do now so luckily we didn't have to be how you guys did that for us and oh boy that offense is uh face melting yeah that's winning window baby winning the good thing the good thing is that because of them having fun at 10 uh we get to be practical and responsible at 11 paris johnson jr staring down staring us down in the face at 11 i feel like it'd be malpractice to do literally anything else yeah unless they like a different tackle like broderick jones but i think paris does what Broderick Jones does and just does it better and brings a little bit more positional flexibility as well. So I don't know.

This is just an odd day for bootleg because we're peacemakers. We're responsible. Like what the hell happened to us? This isn't why people wanted you to have you guys on the show. No, the jets are coming. They're not, they're not drinking and they're doing regular things.

Who are these people? You're right. Connor, we should have scheduled the pod for 10 p.m. I know. Not 11 a.m. I'm sorry. Why does this matter during draft season? I kept it off camera just in case.

There we go. There it is. It doesn't matter what time it is. I'm with Connor. Connor's going to have you send some, depending on what you guys do at 13 in a second but all right so we got yeah do you want homemade wine or not we got paris johnson jr going to the titans at number 11 connor we're up with the houston texans we gave him bryce young up at the top of the draft so what are you thinking here we still have rogerick Jones on the board for an offensive tackle pick, but I mean,

I like their line right now. Yeah. And full of other defensive linemen, defensive players overall that we could go with. What do you think of here? A lot of things, which is kind of fun for Houston. You could talk me into,

honestly, you could really talk me into still taking Joey Porter jr. For the longterm of the secondary. And then you're, you have him and Stingley as your, you know, kind of duo, your corner duo for a long time. You could talk me into Lucas Van Ness. If you want size in their front four, you can talk me into taking Nolan Smith as kind of this chess

piece, a guy that could do things off the ball, a guy that can obviously really blossom as an athletic rusher as well. So Trevor, my mind is kind of clear on just continuing to help out demico ryan's young defense man i'm with you nolan smith be fun i don't think they have that kind of pass rusher that they could even point to and i understand that nolan smith is not the pass rusher that his athleticism hints that he can be yet but he just has such a passion for being the best football player. He possibly can, that that's the kind of guy that you definitely take a bet on. Especially to make out Ryan's.

Yeah. I look at the secondary too. I love Derek Stingley. And if you put Derek Stingley on one side, Joey Porter jr. On the other, that's, that's pretty sick.

Steven Nelson's going to be, I'm going to be 30 years old this year he's in the final year of his contract yep they don't have anybody in a tank after that yeah it's and you keep nelson for depth obviously but if you really just fell in love with the idea of porter starting like you you can even move on for most of nelson's money they're not going to do that but just highlighting the point of like they should not hold you back from taking Porter. The only other one, the only other option that I really consider is,

is Quentin Johnston because there's nobody wide receiver. Really? It's a little early for me, but I get it because of need. I here's my thing, Trevor, that I'll try to sell you on. Do we think at 33, they could still get a wide receiver because i can't i do yes 100 that's why i'm more comfortable trying to to get the deep what's left of the high end of the defensive

class here see this is why we you know we're a great married couple when it comes to mock drafting we talk through our problems each other's out you know good communication i i will say as a as an aside uh if you look at how demico ran that defense in san francisco a lot of cover two in the second half and their style of cover two was we're gonna beat the hell out of you at the line of scrimmage and then get into our zones yeah joy porter jr arms down to the ground come on now my friend he fits yep yep hi joy porter and derrick singley jr whoa yeah now you have an identity right you have an identity uh this is the moment everybody's been waiting for new york jets on the clock at number 13 bellas take it away okay we think new york says f you to the packers agree at least f you to a first round pick

they they're gonna take their leverage and run with it and say we can take a player and we can still go get aaron because aaron doesn't want to go anywhere else so we have to make this work but we're not going to make it work on your terms we're going to make it work on our terms um and then ourand went to tackle and Brett I'll let you take away the tackle discussion because the board's still pretty good for tackle yeah I'm I'm looking around so let's see who who do we still have left we still have Roderick Jones uh we still have yeah it might be a might be a little bit early for right for me uh who i also see is more of a right tackle anyway but like looking at um the jets depth chart on paper their offensive line

is actually very strong but it comes down to whether or not you believe that the organization believes in mckay beckton yeah and i feel like it's been two straight years now of the organization sending signals of they're not super happy with him uh and when you also throw in the fact that he hasn't been super durable since he got drafted either i feel like it it might be prudent to get some insurance at the left tackle position i am a big fan of max mitchell right tackle which if you watch max mitch Mitchell in college, like he would switch back and forth on left or right as like the ultimate swing tackle,

even within the same drive, like against Texas in college, he was playing left tackle and right tackle on the same possession. I liked him too. I like, I like Max Mitchell, man. So I,

I like just kind of keeping him at right tackle. If we were looking for a pure right tackle, I would probably advocate for, okay, let's test the waters for a trade, go down a little bit, get Darnell right. But since I think that left tackle is the more likely option here,

just because the organization has never really seemed to be all in on Mekhi Becton, even though Mekhi was great coming out of college, I lean towards left tackle here. Everything else in the offensive line is totally fine. EJ, are you comfortable with Broderick Jones here? I'm very comfortable with Broderick Jones here and think he would be a good pick.

And as a very fun aside, if we're going to be the GMs for the day, Connor, I'm going to call you on draft day as Ryan Poles, and I'm going to try and confuse you. And I'm going to say, hey, Tevin Jenkins from Kai Becton go wow that's an interesting one that's interesting it's fascinating so for me it would be an interesting conversation I wonder they haven't had Becton really for two years now at this point you waited so long and he looks to be in really

good shape but that's you know once again the shape of his life yeah it's that season exactly me too I am too I know for a fact this regime was not in on Tevin at all in that draft that's all I could say to it but for me I for me it is an interesting conversation it is an interesting conversation and maybe hey like Brett kind of highlighted maybe they're not very in on mckay beckton right now so your tone can change pretty quickly that's a that's a really good uh it's not working here swap what do you have idea yeah and and beckton doesn't necessarily have to start if he goes to chicago same with tev if he goes to the jets you know you can have like imagine mckay beckton is your swing tackle like come on probably helps him with the conditioning

issues that he's had i love that like you know braxton jones gets an ankle injury in week six and all right we'll roll mckay beckton out for a couple of games okay sixth o-line on the goal line yeah i feel great about that so, that's just a fun aside. I like it. You start thinking about these things as like, because a lot of that stuff happens, side conversations. Maybe we come back to it after the draft and we switch before camp or whatever else. But during the draft, especially players move that you don't necessarily think.

And it is because of regime change, whether somebody was in or out during a draft, somebody you really wanted. I mean, for me as a Chicago fan, I was a huge DJ Moore guy coming out in the draft. And I was, you know, hey, you don't get all the players you love. He comes back to the Bears and I'm like, okay. And people are like, what do you think of DJ Moore? And I'm like pushing all my pre-draft stuff.

Like he was amazing and he's been an even better pro. So I couldn't love it more. Those things, those are the things that keep me up at night. So let me ask you this, Connor, because I don't want to get you in trouble here but do you think the organization is on mckay i think joe douglas is he's a stickler to pixie made whether that's right or wrong i mean they haven't think of the guys they haven't dumped that have just been so bad mims has struggled there they've tried it with mims year after year um ashton Mims has struggled there. They've tried it with Mims year after year.

Ashton Davis has struggled. They've held on to him. You know, even Braden Mann's been their punter for years. He's awful. Like, he's terrible. It's weird. Like, Douglas is obviously much better than what the Jets have had at GM, but he holds on hope with his picks, and I think he's still the guy holding on hope for Becton.

Okay. Taking that into account, I still think because let's say Becton has an amazing year, right? He's going into the last year of his contract. Yeah, he's free agent. It's a tricky deal right now. Do we feel comfortable giving him $22 million a year next offseason? I still kind of might go tackle anyway just to give us you guys, you guys hit this pick out of the park. This would be, I'd spring this one in a project Jones. It's not even,

there's so many reasons you're backed in point. Absolutely. Um, Dwayne Brown's going to be 38 and it's great to have them on the left side, but he's 38. He's on an expiring deal. I mean, Beckton's health, Max Mitchell's health, He's on an expiring deal. I mean, Becton's health, Max Mitchell's health, not Max Mitchell played well in a year that he should not have had to play a lot, but then he had the blood clot issue. Um, so this is like, you guys are all over it. For me, it would have to be Broderick Jones here or the scenario that you mentioned, Brett, if you had a tree, a team want to come up to this pick, you could also consider a guy like Darnell writer to Juan Jones later in this round. Yeah round yeah I I won't tease it just because I'm worried that tackles might fly off the board quicker uh than we want them to um so EJ if you're comfortable with Broderick

let's just lock that in here I I think we do that for multiple reasons and you know Connor's stamp is the ultimate seal of approval for a Jets move at this point i'm like cool he likes it we like it lock it in yeah project's a good one we've we've had project go to the jets for honestly most of our mock drafts at this point because it feels like there you go yeah he ends up there a lot he's the guy that uh makes the most sense for them there although i will say if mckay beckton truly is in the best shape of his life and he's durable and he's out there and he's and he's the guy that we thought that he was going to be when he was coming out of the draft and they drafted Darnell right at right tackle, that would just be like the bash brothers from mighty ducks,

like just in the penalty box all the time, because they're more focused on being physical than they are actually playing the game, which would be, I don't know, just beautiful. The hound in the mountain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. But just like, yeah, on the same team. um all right we got the patriots up at number 14 a patriots are an extremely interesting team it's always very difficult to try to go in the mind of general manager bill belichick uh and wonder what they're going to do here because connor i would tell you that one of the biggest needs that they have on their roster is the difference making

wide receiver zay jones is on the on the wide receiver. Zay Jones is on the board. Quinn Johnson's on the board. They're not going to take a wide receiver at 14, I don't think, especially for spending money and getting a different one in Juju Smith-Schuster and then even the shorter deal with Mike Kosicki in free agency. But I'm curious, what do you think about the Patriots spot here? Is there any player that's still on the board that's really jumping out to you? It's really tough, man.

It's really tough. This would have been a home for any of the top three offensive linemen, of course. They need offensive line help. It's a little early for me to go down the Darnell Wright road in this spot, although you could probably talk me into it. My next ranked wide receiver after JSN Trevor is still Jordan Addison, despite the very, very slender weight at the combine. And I think they need wide receiver help.

They could probably still use another pass rusher as well. You could talk me into Lucas Van Ness in this spot. So and you could always talk me into Deontay Banks pretty early as well. So this has kind of become wide open because the obvious need at tackle did not really play into their hands in this spot at 14. i think brian branch would be a great patriot as well like brian branch a lot he already mostly knows the defense belichick and i know it's the same thing half the same stuff yeah what about no one's what about nolan smith that's it goes back to

the pass rush conversation nolan smith is i overlooked him there absolutely absolutely if you're talking about pass rush it's hard not to see van ness as a patriot after you imagine it oh it's very true like once you think about that you go him or smith no not him or anybody like him if you're thinking defensive line um and sometimes we see that tackle run start the offensive tackle run start and then people get nervy we see this every year year, right? Oh, that guy's not going to go to the late 20s. And, you know, three are gone by 15. And it's like, oh, get in line. You're not going to get him at 25.

So that happens as well. I don't necessarily see New England in that place. But again, they're a little bit, you know, like you said, general manager Belichick is a little bit like John Schneider. He'll go on his own board and do what he wants. And if he sees value, he'll do it. But boy, that Van Ness thing, if you think the defensive line is where they're going to go,

it's a hard thing to unsee. Yeah, no. I think Van Ness is on the board for me. Anton Harrison's on the board for me. Darnell Wright's on the board for me. Connor, any of those three really stick out to you? By rankings, I would go with Van Ness. Him, Judonan and uche is

i mean you can get after the quarterback quite a bit you obviously have a power profile vaness so yeah that's where i roll here all right let's do it lucas vaness patriots at number 14 uh y'all are up with the packers at number 15 uh pass okay all right no no okay okay i will take this one so that ej doesn't have to make the Packers better. I will say. He's going to sabotage the Packers. He's going to pick, like, player number 285 on the PFF big board. I'm looking at Jose Ramirez right now, and I'm feeling pretty – no.

I will say – Jose Ramirez, by the way, great player. But he's not going to go this. Nothing against Jose. We get to talk. He's going to go. Great player. So my my thing is like, you know, Aaron's Aaron's gone. That ship sailed.

Jordan Love. Let's let's just make Jordan Love's. Time as easy as possible here in his first year as a starter um receiver i actually like the moves they did uh i mean i was screaming at them to take uh a receiver in the first round i didn't think that they were going to get lucky in the second round obviously they did they got christian watson who just fell somehow that far i was dumbfounded that happened uh and then they got romeo dubs who i also really like too so like they got some young receivers i really like right now their te1 is josiah deguara technically who's more of like an h-back and they kind of got nothing else so for me i know this might seem

early for some people but eg and i are kind of in lockstep on uh dalton kincaid being an absolute revelation of a receiver at tight end. And I think that taking him right now will help Jordan Love hit the ground running as fast as humanly possible. And it actually fits with a very typical pattern for the Packers of taking players that I love. And I love Dalton Kincaid. And you've got a young quarterback. You don't sabotage that guy in the same way that you did with Aaron Rodgers for years

because it was an assumption. We can grab literally anything and Aaron will make them all look better. I think everyone in Green Bay knows that's not going to be the case anymore and that they need to give Love as much of a cushion going into his first year as a starter. There's a lot of pressure there for everybody in the organization as well for him to succeed. And what do you give a young quarterback? I realize he's been in the league a couple of years, but in terms of a young starting quarterback, you give him a safety blanket.

And Dalton Kincaid as a receiver is an incredible start. All right, there we go. Dalton Kincaid as tight end one off the board to the green Bay Packers at number 15. We've often had tight end going to the Packers. Sometimes it'll be Dalton Kinkade. Sometimes it'll be Darnell Washington. Like we,

but we often look in that same direction for, for the Packers when they're sitting here at number 15, overall Connor, we're up with the Washington commanders at 16. I will remind you. I saw that. Will Levis is on the board. I will remind you. I saw. That Will Levis is on the board. I will remind you.

Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, they are going to give Howell everything, every shot. Jacoby could play the position. So, man, it's nice that Levis fell to this spot. Full transparency, I like taking Deontay Banks a lot better. Oh, okay. But this isn't a horrible spot for Levis. Let me be fair to him.

He still has traits. He still would go to a place that he does not have to play. He's not thrown into the fire. Even if Howell fails in camp, Jacoby could play. So you can talk me into Levis coming off the board here. I don't think it's egregious. We had fun withvis coming off the board here i don't think it's egregious we had fun with it in the top 10 i don't think this is egregious no and i think honestly like for we know that quarterbacks are going to have a premium anyways so even if people are out

there and they're like man i had a you know a a late second round grade or like an early third round grade on will levis like that's just that's not the reality that we live in. He wouldn't last till that long. It's not in a vacuum when it comes to the grades, you know, that these guys are going to go higher because if you hit on them, it makes all the difference in the world, change your entire franchise. So I thought I'm obviously pointed out Will Levis.

Cause I thought about him here at 16. I don't think he's a hundred percent of a lock though. I'd love Deontay Banks. They have a major cornerback need for sure. In my opinion, I liked Sam Howell enough to where, one, I thought that him being a fifth-round pick was crazy. I'm curious as to what you guys thought of sam howell lasting all

the way till the fifth round last year but the fact that he didn't really get a chance to show his stuff last year unless you love will levis i think you're just still comfortable with sam howell as your um role of the dice young quarterback knowing that you also have jacoby brissett on the roster but before we end up making this pick i i'm curious on what you guys thought about sam howell being a fifth round pick last year and if you guys have any faith in him kind of going forward potentially being their starter you want to lead brad or you want me to i mean ej uh was an even more passionate howell supporter than i was last year but he did so because he made the excellent point of what year were you watching?

Of course. Right. Right. That made all the difference of the world. And I, I completely agreed with him. That's like, okay,

we're looking at junior year or was it sophomore year versus junior year? Sophomore year versus junior year. Just go with second to last in the world. And I had the transfer. Yeah. The sixth or seventh year. The COVID year. Yeah. Yeah. And he was a different, he was a different guy right and then you know we only got to see him for one game in the pros and and you and i mean you kind of

started to see sophomore sam howell a little bit in that one start um and for me like i i wasn't a huge sam howell guy but i also didn't think he was going to be a fifth rounder either. Same. Yeah. Right there with you. Yeah. I thought he would have gone around where Malik ended up going, which is like third round.

Right. I also didn't think that there was only going to be one quarterback taken in like the first hundred picks or whatever it was. So everything got really, really suppressed last year. And I think how it was just kind of a victim of quarterbacks not going. And I think if quarterbacks went faster last year, he would have gone way higher in the fifth and at some point the commanders were like guys we got i mean come on he's staring us in the face we got

to do it um but you know ej ej was a sam hell champion based on the fact that different years showed you very different prospects there's a lot of tools. And you saw him play high-level football. And even in the year that was his down year, when all his weapons left, he became the best running threat in college football as a quarterback through the first eight weeks. He was incredible as a running quarterback, which is a lot of the same discussion

we're having about C.J. Stroud this year. He says, oh, I wish he'd run more. I wish he'd run more. Gets to the Georgia game, unleashes his legs,ashes his legs and everybody goes whoa whoa and Howell did that for like an entire season because he didn't have anybody really besides Josh Downs to throw to so I like him but I I really think the conversation echoes the exact same thing that's being bandied about in Atlanta this year with Desmond Ritter right you've got a sort of I will say second tier quarterback or edge of top tier quarterback

who has some tools, who has a lot of experience, started a lot of games, like, you know, as a young quarterback would have liked to see both of those guys play a little bit earlier.

So we had more data coming into this year, but I am fully on board with the commanders leaving the reins in Howell's hands for now and seeing what they have. Jacoby makes it a whole lot easier to do that.

And then you just go with it. So in terms of appetite for Levis right here, I want to ask all of you, if he passes this spot, where's he go in the first round? He's a Buccaneer, baby. If not Tampa, right? Oh, it's has been. I think Connor's point is is valid that that's been a match made for a while now and will be, I think, a good fit. But if that didn't happen for whatever reason, we're only at 16, really halfway through the first round.

And if he doesn't go here and the Bucs didn't have a glaring need, does he go anywhere? Or does anybody trade back up for him? And I think it's a fascinating conversation because I think the public perception of Will Levis is he's off the board by now. Of course, look at him. And the reality, just the way this draft has worked out, which is, I would say, semi-realistic. We have four viewpoints here.

Does he go? And I'm not so sure. Brett brings up the excellent point of last year. We all said, oh, no, one quarterback in the top 100? No, and we're not going to see that this year, but Levis is a fascinating case. If he doesn't go right here, does he go? I'm not going to pick him.

We're just letting him slide. Letting him slide. Trevor, let me sign off on deontay banks here i feel really good about the player and the need yep deontay banks we've talked about it many times on this podcast it's it's somebody that you and i like a lot the press man ability of deontay banks is some of the best in this class he just does not have the stats in the takeaway column for people to really be able to champion him in that regard and so yeah i think that maybe the ball skills you might be lacking

a little bit but at worst i think he's a fantastic lockdown cb2 for you and if that if you've got deontay banks as your cb2 i i think you got one hell of a cb1 and then you've probably got a great fantastic um outside cornerback duo anyway. So I'll go with Deontay Banks here. Certainly corners a major need. And then you guys are on the clock now with the Pittsburgh Steelers at number 17. I love the local link there, Maryland to D.C. That would be super fun for Deontay and a lot of his fans.

Not a lot of movers, you know, cost. You know, like if the franchise is trying to pinch pennies and you're gonna pay the guy to relocate you know you don't have which they are right there well i mean hey if they need movers that'll get you there overnight they could just call baltimore and ask who they jeez there it is there it is good thing opening up some old wounds yeah they never go away all right what do you think i'm between tackle and Brian Branch, I could kind of go either way here. Yeah. Strangely enough, we had secondary as a need for the Steelers.

Deontay Banks was certainly, this is probably the first pick in this round where it's like, oh, he's off the board one before. We were still thinking that guy was there. You know, I. Yeah. one before we were still thinking that guy was there um you know i yeah joey porter jr would have been super fun the link with the the link with the steelers but he goes at 12 to the texans um i you know i love brian branch brian branch or whom who was your who was your second uh darnell right probably be the other one that I look at pretty strongly here.

Yeah, I think Wright or Anton Harrison both are ass kickers in the same mold that would fill the same spot for the Steelers. I would lean with one of those two because, again, the first tier for us was defensive back. I would take Brian Branch here, but I'm one of his larger supporters in this draft, I think, and really, it was Porter or Banks. They're gone. So we slide down as teams have to do.

Next rank on the board, go to tackle. And I think actually both of those guys fit with the identity of the Steelers really well. I'm going to. So when I think about doing a first round pick in a mock, I'm also thinking about, OK, well, if I pass on this position, who could i get on the second round there's a decent chance not a great chance but a decent chance that instead of taking a high-end nickel like brian branch right now we could get a tackle and then come back and get like jartavius martin who i'm obsessed with in the second round yeah i'd rather package darnell right wichita bs martin Martin than taking Brian branch now and getting completely

sold out at tackle in the second round. So lock in Darnell, right? All right. There we go for me. One of our, one of our faves on the mock drafts we do. That's just a really good pairing.

Darnell, right in Pittsburgh, Trevor, we're on the clock at 18 for the lions. We could once again, talk about Will Levis if we want. Yeah. We could also just kind of floor it in terms of talent. Jalen Carter went to them at six.

They are back on the clock again. Once again, you can go down the road of a Nolan Smith if you want. I mean, there's a lot of different options here for a Detroit team that is really starting to blossom with talent. I got two players. Okay. I got two players that come to mind. One of them is Darnell Wright.

Or not Darnell Wright. You guys just took Darnell Wright. One of them is Darnell Washington. That's fun. I understand they just traded away Hawkinson. People are going to look at the situation and be like, they don't prioritize tight ends. Why would they draft another one in the first round

just when they just traded one? Darnell Washington's different, I think. He, of course, is less of a utilized wide receiver, big wide receiver, if you will, than a lot of these other tight ends are. But his blocking ability feels exactly like what Dan Campbell is trying to build on this team he's that extra six offensive lineman that gets to stand attached and he also get to

have him go up the field and run some routes and when he does he can look like an absolute alien the way that he moves at his size so i mean that would put two crazy alien players on both sides of the line scrimmage in penne sewell and darnell washington so i'm thinking about washington the other one that i thought about is quentin johnston because when you look at this wide receiver room and you throw quentin johnston in with jameson williams and i'm on ross st brown like all of a sudden like that's pretty damn good right that's a lot of along the lines of and not to this extent but like what we did with the eagles at 10 where you just go let's just outscore teams right what's the what what's the what's the meaning of the game score more points than the

opponent and i just think that that gives you a better chance to do that so that's where my went my mind went connor i don't know if there was another player that was really you were gravitating towards your thoughts on them. I like the Washington idea a lot. It's just even if you think Detroit doesn't care about the tight end position, they definitely care about winning in the trenches and winning up front and being the toughest, baddest team on the field. And that's what Washington fits with their identity.

This is also a team that has put a decent amount of resources into the running back position. They still care about running the football, even though they have all these Ferraris at wide receiver and an offense that is extremely well dialed up. So I would lean Darnell Washington by personal preference here. Let's do it. I'm great with it.

We'll, we'll lock it in. We'll lock it in there. Y'all are up with the bucks at number 19. If you had any Darnell Washington thoughts, you could also fire those off before you got into it. But with him being a top 20 pick at all but uh other than that you're up with tampa at 19 we had some plans for him later in the first i'm a little bit upset by this

not gonna lie yeah we're starting to get to that you took my cookie part of the draft um look it's a what we would do mock and we left you 11 we're not leaving the good players to the end of the well you had me worried you had me worried with leaving the good players to the end of the throw. Well, you had me worried. You had me worried with the Detroit talk at the end there. I thought you were just going to tip into Bijan, and I was like, don't, don't. Don't make me do that. No, Washington I like.

He does bring, and Detroit fans are going to moan. They are. They're lucky they got the top of the pick, pick at the top of the round to be happy about. They're going to say, look, rookie tight ends don't produce and they're correct, but that's not why you're drafting Washington. It is a different thing.

And he's sort of dual threat. And he fits with their coaching profile. Let's be honest. Dan Campbell is former tight end himself. So I don't mind the pick. I think you'll probably hear lots of moaning from Detroit fans because because look detroit fans are really good at moaning they practice a lot and i will say okay that's all right that's coming from an in-division rival just so everybody knows so we can absolve ourselves of a little bit of blame there but detroit fans we do love them

because they're very they're very passionate and they're very in the comments and i see a ton of people talking about detroit lions mock drafts so that is definitely one where lions fans let us know what you thought of this hall i don't know if we've had the lions have this one before where you get jaylen carter 60 at darno washington at 18 very very curious but anyways moving on back to you guys yeah and if they follow bootleg they know we love the lions a lot we love what they've done we give them two drafts a lot yeah they have transformed that organization. So this is not anti-Alliance slander at all. Bucks, I don't know.

This is the conversation we just had. Levis is there. They need a quarterback in the future. But this is a what we do mock. So that changes it. So I will say, 10 minutes down the road from me, I was at USC's Pro Day in a much rainier day earlier this week. And I was on the bleachers and Caleb came out.

He was sitting about four feet away from me, watching, watching all of his guys do the drills, you know, talk to a couple of his teammates, watched literally every scout from every team. All 32 teams were there. Curious. All 32 teams were at the usc pro day in the rain and i could literally see from the bleachers just all of them just every every five minutes or so just just you know check out next year's model that's coming out and it was a stark reminder that he is that guy and he he is so as as much as everybody in draft media loves caleb williams believe me you got we got nothing on what the actual teams think of caleb williams they would trade anything and everything to get him and i think uh i think the bucks are one of those teams where it's like doesn't even matter

what their record is in 2023 they would give up heaven and earth to go up and get either him or drake may to be perfectly honest so i don't really care about will levis to the bucks because i know what's coming out next year and i just i don't even And I just, I don't even want to waste time. I don't even want to waste assets on it. I don't think Will Levis is going to suddenly make the Bucs a good team this year. Like they're probably going to be within striking distance in the 2024 draft anyway. So I literally don't care. I would rather take an asset this year that will make either Caleb or Drake Mays life easier in 2024, which

to me screams tackle. And I know EJ, you're a big Anton Harrison guy. Can I talk you into that? I, you can always talk me into Anton Harrison. I, I like him as a player a lot, especially in the right fit for a team that wants to really leverage his skills. My counterpoint would be, or the small debate we're going to have as co-GMs here, is in terms of defensive line go-getters,

there's a couple guys out here in terms of pass rush. We've got Kalaj Kansi. Don't know how you feel about that. Brian Brazee is there as well. We've still got Nolan Smith on the board. We've got a bunch of ways to go get after the passer the opposing passer um and that's the balance we're talking about harrison being uh fifth tackle off the board if my math is right uh yeah so fifth best tackle or one of those guys that can add to what is a good defensive line they obviously don't have as many holes in defensive line as they do in a room like quarterback um would you be tempted by any of those guys particular skill sets or would you kind of go down the fairway at about 225 yards and say we'll take anton harrison because he's a good solid pick and a good solid player which he is i'm a huge fan of

so many of the day two pass rushers that I know we could still get one. There's like 40 edge players in this class. Okay, last flare across the bow, Felix, just wild card. You're taking advantage of my love right now, man. I am, I am. I started that love and I can take advantage of it as I'd like. I do love Felix.

But I'm just I'm thinking about long term franchise health. And you are protecting next year's quarterback. Let's just be honest. And this year's too. Like whoever's playing this year, like they're going to get absolutely crushed if they don't have tackle help anyway. Right. So I kind of feel like regardless anton harrison's all right there we go we'll just do it and we will we will take the wild whales of

of bucks fans starting with you trevor how how terrible do you feel about this anton harrison pick he loves him oh okay i love this pig anton harrison's been because it's not will levis anton harrison's been one of my guys for so long. I mean, when he was coming into this year, he's so fantastic at his past sets. He's so experienced as a pass blocker. I wish he was a little bit stronger, but I think the consistency is in his strength. They're really what's more of the issue, not necessarily that he doesn't have the strength to his game. So he's already coming off three straight years of being a starter for the Sooners.

You could be able to play him right away away he's not an inexperienced guy um you you it would allow Tristan Wirth to stay at right tackle which I I would prefer anyways uh people are like oh just flip him over to left it's like guys where do you think defenses deploy their best pass rushers nowadays like they they do it on the right side like a lot of times they just go after the weaknesses it doesn't matter So love the Anton Harrison selection. And as I've often said, Brett Coleman's the songbird of our generation for what he was saying about Caleb Williams or Drake may potentially becoming Tampa Bay Buccaneers next

year. So absolutely love that as well. I can, we just drop the mics and leave now, Brett. I mean, literally we nailed the jets guy. Happy.

We made the bucks guy happy. You did. You did. You really did nailed the Jets guy. We made the Bucs guy happy. You did. You did. You really did. You did your job. Come on. We're done. We can just leave this to the pro personnel guy, right?

We'll just take off. That's awesome. All right. Connor, we're up at number 20. We'll speed it up here, obviously, for these last 10 picks that we got here. Seattle, we often have them going with Jack Smith and Jigba but Jack Smith and Jigba not on the board went off the board a lot sooner than this but what do you think about Seattle anything really standing out to you I would go back to that third wide receiver

well we just saw what this off but what happened to this offense when Tyler Lockett got hurt it certainly would help to have that third wide receiver that you're kind of grooming for a bigger role in the future. I think interior offensive line, they'll be able to address at pick 37, right? Like I don't, I don't know. I like the center class a lot. I don't think I need to take one at 20. I think I can get somebody at 37. So Seattle, and I would have really liked even another corner for them, but we had in this draft, the corners were premium value. The top four went in the top 16 picks. And honestly, I think that's how the draft's going to go, personally. I think we're pretty close to that, at least.

So for me here, Trevor, I'm kind of locked in on who the next wide receiver is. I know you like Quentin Johnson a lot. And then a matter of if there's a off-the-board kind of pick here, I didn't think of. I wonder if I'd go Addison here. Cause I like Addison a lot. He's my next ranked wide receiver and he kind of slots into that offense really easily with his skillset.

Full pun intended. Like he's, he's, he's their slot guy. Right. And then he's, and then he's the takeover player for if tyler lockett really starts to go downhill um with getting a little bit older and obviously the contract situation with him over the

next couple of years too you get a little bit more flexibility if you have a player who's in similar skill set like jordan addison and you pair those two guys i mean that's those two fantastic route runners that are going to put a lot of stress on a secondary to be great at communication to be great in their coverages and their technique everything because those guys will burn you and of course dk metcalf she's an absolute alien of an x factor so i'd be down with addison let's go with addison he's the the way i get it there's just not a lot of football players who survive who are that small wide receiver but he's really damn good man so i'm gonna go i'm gonna go i'll agree we can lock in addison at number 20 all right y'all are up with the chargers i'm jack dj you know who i want i i do i was

waiting for that discussion about wide receiver to the hawks and he's like don't say zay don't say if you say walking off the show i was like don't say zay he wants him so bad um and we're both friends with alex caston who writes for the Chargers Wire and hung out with a bunch of the Chargers Wire guys at Shrine Bowl. So we've got a little bit more insight. You're obviously working for the Chargers. That's a newer development. We've got a pretty good idea of what needs are.

And again, top of our list was best right tackle available, but we're now into the fifth offensive tackle or much, much higher ranked players from other positions. And it really does. Our second ranked position is wide receiver. And it comes down to, do you want, and we had them all there. We had, because we didn't know who was going to be gone.

We had Zay, we had Addison, and we have Jalen Hyatt as the sort of wide out. Just, I just want to see Justin Herbert whipping it to Jalen Hyatt because that would be fun um but it's hard for me here to not say zay because he's the best out of the remaining players in terms of the way we had them ordered after that it was going to be a defensive back brian branch or chavius martin deontay banks is already gone so i i think this is an easy up and down take the card in for Zay and give Justin

and that offense another weapon. All right. In the real draft, I'd be surprised if they didn't anything else either, to be honest. I've had this before and I do love the, like a lot of people when they talk about speed with the Chargers, they just focus on like deep

speed. Like they just say like, oh, they just need like people force jalen hyatt here all the time right because he's just a vertical deep speed but i think they need just electric speed no matter what and i think that zay gives you even a lot more than just vertical speed he gives you the horizontal speed he gives you the ability to play all the different spots so i agree i love it i love it what do you think connor what do you think about uh that pick and then we're up with the ravens at 22 i like the pick there's been times where i've enjoyed taking wide receiver for the chargers and i've gotten very mixed feedback um from their fan base some love it some don't um but i think zay in that offense is like you said trevor too like look at the player and the type of speed he brings to the offense it would be a lot of fun to

watch i was laughing at pick 22 because you and i are the kings of playing ourselves we are we are operating in this mock draft that lamar jackson is getting traded to the colts oh shit and we are picking for the ravens at 22. Will Levis, you are a Baltimore Raven. Oh, no. I think he is. I don't disagree. And I didn't see this particular train coming either, but I'm very much enjoying watching it go down the tracks.

Ravens fans are never going to watch this show again. Never again. The screenshot of the, check out this new mock with NFL FC. People are just going to be like, I'm blocking this podcast. We're not out. Reported. We're reported.

Yeah, blocked and reported. So if we didn't take a quarterback and Snoop Huntley just gets a great life of the year. I love Snoop. Yeah, we're big fans. Dude, pro bowl quarterback tyler huntley what are you guys talking about people forget this people do forget this so okay if it wasn't him this team is in on corners but we we get to this road with the ravens every mock draft we do

neither of the none of the top four ever here and then we go do we take cam smith is there another corner we take? Right. There's more talented players on the board. We know they have a Jabo coming back next year. I'm still intrigued by Nolan Smith here. I am too, but if they have OA and they have Tyus Bowser and they have Ojabo. Right.

I mean, like Nolan Smith, again, the cliche feels like a raven, but he's in the AFC North at some point. Something, yeah. I mean, like, Nolan Smith, again, the cliche, feels like a raven, but... He's in the AFC North at some point. Something, yeah. But, dude, I honestly, I look at Quentin Johnson. Okay, yes. This wide receiver room, it has Rashad Bateman and Mark Andrews, but, like, if you throw Quentin Johnson in here,

I think that that at least rounds it out enough. Yep, I can sign off on that one for sure. And, again, like, obviously Will Levis is here. least rounds it out enough yep i can sign off on that one for sure and again like obviously will levis is here um he's not going in the mock draft i think we could we could stop doing it at this point i think he i think he is oh okay oh i have a i have a i we don't know why we have no idea why um no i okay we're gonna pick quentin johnson here for the ratings for sure um we're all in on pro bowl quarterbacks new puntly um and all i will say is that moving forward if you guys control a team in which you would potentially like to trade back into the second round and get some extra draft capital i have a team that could be moving up for one will levis if he were to be

this far there it is there it is there we go i will say at pick 23 there is a fascinating discussion because technically technically kirk is on his last Yeah. There is four void years on the back of the deal. Jeez. So there's a 28 and a half million dead cap hit in 2024 because of four void years that they did for some reason. I, oh God, I could see Will Levis, the Minnesota Vikings, as Kirk Cousins' developmental backup, and then they just eat it in 2024 and finally get out from under that deal. Yeah. And then I could see it.

EJ, does that make you gag? Like, what's wrong? You're like, please dissuade me from this notion. No, I don't think that's a crazy thing, especially considering their head coach, right? I think any quarterback coach, any offensive coordinator, any head coach with an offensive background is going to look at a guy like Levis and what do they all say? We can fix it. Right. He's got, he's got all those tools.

Especially if there's no pressure to start right away. No pressure. We've got all that. Like you think Kevin O'Connell doesn't look at a guy like Will Levis and go, huh? Interesting. Like I could do some things with him. I've done things with a lot less in the past. I don't think it's crazy and they need a succession plan. The money is ridiculous. It's been ridiculous since they signed him for what Cousins brings them, but he's not going to play forever. He'll tell you he will, but he's not going to play forever.

And if you could groom Levis for two years, I think it's the ideal situation for Levis, right? You get a couple of years or a year and a half. There's not ideal situation for levis right you get a couple years or a year and a half there's not i'm gonna rush you right out on the field we're into the 20s come on guys quarterbacks in the 20s like people don't care not near as much you take a quarterback in the top 10 certainly they care top 15 they're still like well they took him to the top 15 they gotta play him you take him down at 23 and you have a guy like kirk cousins in front of him and an offensively minded coach he you can hide him for a year or two you can sit him down there and say hey and if he turns out to be really good again trevor you said it earlier changes your

franchise yeah how about this guys um just the fact too that if anyone's gonna have the full scoop on on levis it should be kevin o'connell right because kevin o'connell was the rams offensive coordinator in 2020 when yeah with liam with liam yeah i'm cohen yeah so it's this there's a lot of ties here that they really start to add up okay there we go he's going anywhere it's here it is there it is good for you and a good and a good spot for him too yeah genuinely i think this is a good spot i wonder how i wonder what vikings fans think about this one because um who was it was jeremiah was it kuiper who had jeremiah had hendon hooker going and hooker going to the vikings

and viking fans are freaking out obviously because it's hendon hooker but i'm very curious what they would think if levis was the one who fell all the way to them so vikings fans if you're watching this let us know hit us up in the comment section let us know what you thought about this one uh jacksonville jaguars at number 24 connor i think there's a no-brainer player that's still on the board yeah this is brian branch all day one thousand percent he is he is an immediate starter for Yep. Get smarter and more fundamental and reliable on the back end, in the slot, everywhere you really can with Branch, Jacksonville. I think Jags fans would love this pick.

I think he is their home run player, truly, to last all the way. I think he can make it here, by the way. I really do. Yeah, I do too. I do too. That was quick. I don't know what you guys thought about that one, but you're on the clock again at 25 for the Giants.

There's really no other option. I completely agree with it, and I'm terribly sad. I wanted to get to pick him. I love Brian Branch. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is a really good spot for him, and again, just like we talked about with Levis,

is he going to succeed? Yeah, come on. He's being slotted into a very talented defense that needs his particular skills, and he is going to come in and play at or above that level, which you can't say about a lot of rookie defenders, but I think you can pretty confidently with Brian branch.

So. All right. What do you guys think about giants? JMS just seems kind of too good to be true here, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's the one I've really liked.

Our top line is, you know, it's, it's just pick your flavor at center, and I think Schmitz fits with what they want to do. I also see them, depending on where they go, Tippmann would be good here, but if Schmitz is on the board, it's a hard argument to make to say we're going to go to Tippmann

because we get that little extra bit of outside movement skill, which he is amazing at, I think probably the best in the draft at from center class um but schmitz is just so solid so good at everything so ready to plug and play uh if he's there yeah no brainer john michael schmitz all right 26 the dallas cowboys i mean we know the talk of town with this picture ever everybody's looking at bijan robinson it feels like with dallas the floor is ours it is i actually would not go that route here with how the board has fallen i would think about this being a landing spot for nolan smith oh i thought the same

thing yeah i mean thinking about the speed of that front. I know. There's a reality that exists where you've got Nolan Smith, Micah Parsons to Marcus Lawrence on the field at the same time. Yeah. Good luck. Yikes. I think that's our play in this spot.

I think that. I mean, Kansi would be fun, but I don't think I'd take can't see over nolan smith um bijan obviously the connection's very easy but again i would take nolan smith over bijan in this spot i love the veteran editions i love them trading for brandon cooks love them getting stefan gilmore in there let's do it nolan smith nolan smith of the cowboys we haven't had that one yet yeah we have not i love the match the match is really nice with smith but it's this weird inverse relationship that we're getting to with running backs where

we're like there's so many good running backs that we're not gonna pick them right right right well that's just because we can do it later right that's the sales pitch against yeah having a deep and talented running back class is where does the first one go off the board and then truly when does the avalanche happen after that so yeah and there's going to be players that are pushed down into the fourth fifth round that have like true nfl starting level ability if they go to a team that's set up for their skill set. And it's just, that one is a fascinating subset of this whole draft.

It is indeed. Speaking of Bijan Robinson, you guys are on the board at number 27 with the Buffalo Bills. Do I want to pick with my brain or my heart here, EJ? I, you know, heart is going to get more views. What's your brain say? Heart then.

My heart is Bijan. Definitely the heart then. What's your brain say? Heart then. My heart is B. John. Definitely the heart then. Yeah, B. John is our first line. In the document we worked out, B. John question mark is the first line. I actually don't think he'll be used. B. John, great player. Like, regardless of where he goes, B. John, great, great player. One of the top probably five overall players in this draft.

Great, great player. So this is not B. John Slander. Texas fans, stay away from me. I love him. I love Roshan. I love Mauro Jomo. Go away, Texas fans. I'm all good. No, Bijan, I don't, you know, the Bills don't need it, right? They just don't run the ball. They don't, they don't have a traditional run game. They have very few opportunities. Would they more with bijan maybe is that a thing that they want to do we haven't seen him do it in the past so it almost to me feels a little bit wasted right like get bijan to cleveland get bijan to some place where they're gonna run them a lot right and he wouldn't do that here so that's the only reason against every other reason is for he's a great runner he's a great pass protector he's gonna he's gonna contribute in here. So that's the only reason against. Every other reason is for. He's a great runner. He's a great pass protector.

He's going to contribute in the passing game outside of the running game. So it's a sort of automatic, but it's almost overkill just about the conversation we were having. And then what was your head pick if you didn't go hard with Bichon? I mean, my head pick is Keanu Benton.

Yeah, that's mine too. You know, we saw what their main problem was towards the end of the year. Daquan Jones went out and they couldn't stop inside zone. It's like that massive problem for them. I will say going back to Bichon temporarily. Sure. It hasn't, running the ball hasn't been a thing that they did.

You know, they would come out the gate first half with like a 70% pass-run ratio. What if they decide now that we are into the meat of the Josh Allen contract, he's very expensive, he's very valuable, we are screwed without him. What if they decide to go the other way with it and actively try to preserve Josh Allen by not giving him short yardage and low red zone carries anymore but they don't think that james cook can do it like they brought in damien harris obviously to do that type of stuff but damien harris isn't gonna do the stuff that

that bijan does in the other 80 of the game so like it makes sense to draft Bijan from a, we need to preserve Josh standpoint. In addition to the fact that he's just a great player. Like we, we saw over the, we were in Buffalo for that Packers game. Right. And like we saw kind of in that mid stretch of the year where after Josh had the elbow injury,

they actually did start running the ball more and they got better as an overall offense. And then as Josh got healthier, they slipped back into the habit of not running as much but like what if they make it a point in 2023 which is what i would advocate if i was in that building and this is a what we would do mock what if we draft bijan to save josh i i kind of like that argument a lot because i mean gibbs is not gonna gib is not going to do that kind of stuff for them. They have Cook. It's like the same thing, right?

It's the same thing. Gibbs is better, but it's the same thing. I think everybody would pick Gibbs over Cook, but in theory, it's kind of the same skill set. I like that argument for two reasons. One, the preservation of Josh Allen, which is going to need to occur. He is getting to the point where all those hits are going to add up. So I love that. And the philosophical shift that we have been banging the table for Buffalo to make

after they gave us a peek of it last year, which is you got to go away from that. Don't go back to it. You're actually better with balance. This gives them the sort of ultimate option. And then the sort of third kicker is just player value. Okay. Two players that we put up. We know that Keanu Benton would be awesome and serve a big need for them in

the defense. Bijan versus Keanu Benton. Who's a better player. Just draft board agnostic. Like it's not even close. It's Bijan. So player value, shifting the offense to a better balance and protecting your largest

asset period end all be all for the last 20 years sure screw it bijan robinson there it is i love i love you guys talking it out honestly like that's that's that's something that um a lot of people talk about in the comments of of something that they love a lot about the show is not just the selections that we've made on mock drafts of the past but like they just go into the mind of connor and i because we talk it out and like that was fantastic that was this is one of the first times we're like we get to sit back obviously on our own show and have that happen and like that, that was beautiful. That was fantastic. I loved how you guys approach that and how you got to the final pick and why

you got to it. Cause I do think that running back to go back to EJ's point, it's kind of taboo, right? It's like, Ooh, yeah, this guy's good, but who's going to pick him? You know, like are you going to be the one who picks him? And it's just like this thing where nobody wants to be the first to take a running back, even if he's just a damn good football player. so when people look at a mock draft and they go oh who'd they give the bills oh it's bijan oh that's bad then i would certainly encourage people to obviously

go listen to the pod and hear conversations like that if it's like okay well we thought about the position of value thing we had other players on the board that we believed could help out the buffalo bills but at the end of the day this is not only what the player does for a one-in-one out individually at their specific position but what they do to the offense and therefore the team overall and i think that that you guys just did a really good job explaining that so uh that was a that was a fun part of the podcast for me for sure we got the cincinnati bangles at number 28 now connor anybody stick out to you because there's one player that I really like here at 28 yeah it's one of the easier picks I think we

can make there's a consolation here like I love the idea of Michael Mayer to the Bengals but to me I think it's DeJuan Jones when you look at their offensive line situation okay um it's great they got Orlando in there I don't know where they're at with Lyle Collins are they going going to move on from or are they not? It doesn't sound like Jonah Williams has any interest in switching positions. So I'm not assuming he's playing right tackle that the mayor pick is fun, but you can probably still get that tight end on day two of the draft. You're not going to get Michael Mayer. Let me make that very clear. You're not getting him a player of his caliber where they're picking again. But Dewan Jones just seems like a no brainer to bring some beef to the right side of the offensive line that could need some help. I like Dewan Jones. I like Michael mayor. You are in a totally different

place. I'm kind of shocked by this. That was not the one that I really liked still on the board. Okay. I like Kali. I knew it. board. Okay. I like Kalai Jekansi. I knew it. I knew it. I like Kalai Jekansi because he's my highest ranked player compared to those other guys. I think I have to look, but because you can't play this offensive line situation again, but, but they've got Orlando Brown and he's playing left tackle. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. I don't know exactly what's going on with Jonah Williams,

but he's still on the team. He won't play right tackle. That's what everyone's saying. He might. I mean, he was bad. Just sit him down and have him watch, like, inspirational football movies. We need to protect Joe Burrow as a society. As a society, we need to protect Joe Burrow. Remember the Titans, Friday Night Lights, Little Giants.

I don't know. Like, just throw them all in a row we can take a bunch of inspirational movies you're playing us again I'm trying to make the Bengals better it was all there respect the integrity of the exercise Connor

oh my god we had a dream draft of the Eagles we had it. Listen, listen. All I'm saying is we don't have to go with Clyde. You can't. But Cincinnati's defensive line right now. Okay.

Sam Hubbard beef. Yeah. Good player. EJ reader beef. Very good player. BJ Hill beef. Yeah. Trey Hendrickson.

Beef. Yeah. Trey Hendrickson. Beef. If they had Cancy anywhere along the defensive line, they have the size throughout, not just on the interior. Because I think a lot of people look at that and they go, oh, where could Cancy fit? Cancy could fit for the Eagles, obviously. Maybe we have him go to the Eagles because he's going to sit next to Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis is going to take to take up a lot of bodies next to him it's going to free him up he can go one-on-one same

argument with the bucks right seeing people put collider cancer the buccaneers because of vita vea being next to him some people look at the detroit lions say oh lee mcneil he can move back to nose tackle and therefore he can he can take up a couple of bodies you're freeing up collider cancer in that way i think the same situation exists with the cincinnati bangles and not just because of the guys they have on the interior and reader and Hill, but also they've got strength and size on the ends. So no matter what, you've got guys who can really be able to hold a point of attack and allow Kansas to truly pin his ears back and do exactly what he did at Pitt this past year, which made him one of our favorite prospects to watch. That's my rant. What do you think?

I'm never going to fight against Kalijah Kansi. Like that is just something I'm not going to do.'s a wise move i wouldn't fight either yeah i'm curious to know what bengals fans how they react to this discussion well we're gonna find out we're gonna find out so we're taking kalajikansi because i'm absolutely slamming kalajikansi into the since you've given me final say on a lot of picks. I have to give you that one. On a pick that I like, I just am still a little nervous. All right, you guys are up. I'll tell you what, Trev.

TJ Watt thanks you for your service. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. He's going to enjoy those 10 pressures he gets against Cincinnati per game next year. We're going to be talking about Jonah Williams' pre-Inspirational Football Movie Marathon and post-Inspirational Football Movie Marathon. next year we're going to be talking about Jonah Williams pre inspirational football movie marathon

and post inspirational football movie marathon and they're going to be completely different players Jonah Williams going what fifth round pick to just kidding all right that's around the clock to the Saints 29 so the Saints are interesting because our list

of potential players for the Saints is literally the longest out of any team. Oh. And it's got everything from Cancy to Mozzie Smith. Miles Murphy was on there. White. Adebuare. Oh, Adebuare.

Oh, man. Adebuare. The funniest thing about this is it's our longest list, but literally the first position is just like, yes, defensive line helps. So that's all of Canty, Smith, Murphy, White, Ade. And then it's Brian Branch, Jordan Addison, and Quentin Johnson. So it's the first one we come to where all those guys are off the board pretty much, and we either get flavor of defensive line

that has not yet been selected, or you go a little bit off and you go to a guy like cam smith in the secondary and and sort of add a corner but again in terms of rank and the depth of this class and defensive back i i think we stay with defensive line does that feel right bret or is there anybody else on the board that really just pulls your eye at this point you go well come on like this guy's still there i mean i kind of don't hate michael mayer here i mean you got juwan johnson and adam troutman which is a tight end duo that that i like but i don't hit michael mayer just as a value pick right um offensive line is theoretically fine theoretically receiver

could use some help but they're all i mean most of them are gone look at their interior defensive line i know but i like the colin saunders pick up a lot um it helps for sure oh kiana benton this could be a kiana benton spot yes Yes. I'm not against that in any way, just like Conor's never going to fight against Gansy. Yeah, you don't fight against your guys. I am a huge Keanu Benton guy because Keanu Benton's a huge guy that also brings you pass rush,

but is a monster against the run, and more people sort of want to pigeonhole him coming from Wisconsin as being like, oh, he's a great run defender. Well, yeah, he is. But man, have you seen him get by people at that size? So Keanu Benton, I didn't expect him to still be on the board. He's one of those for me.

And yeah, if he's here, yeah, hard. He's just a good player, right? Yeah, he's a great player. Don't pass on good players. Yeah, that should be the name of the game. And it feels like it's, it's overthought all the time. Keanu Benton going 29 to the new Orleans saints.

Connor, we're up at number 30. I put us in the predicament at number 30. So I don't know if you're going to make me get out of it, but what do you think you're at 30? I actually think I am going to do exactly that. Go get your shovel. Get your shovel out of this. Yeah. In fact, I actually will leave you going to do exactly that. Go get your shovel. Dig your shovel out of this.

Yeah, in fact, I actually will leave you on an island here. I'll let you start with where your head is at, what you're thinking here. There is definitely a player still on the board that it's kind of hard to shy away from for Philadelphia here, but I kind of want to have you take the floor first. I like Will McDonald. I like B.J. Ogillary. I like Adetemi Wadabware. have you take the floor first uh i like will mcdonald i liked bjo i like bjo jolari i like

um out of to me what abuare i like all three of those guys for um obviously what ojalari and mcdonald are specifically edge guys but out of to me what abuare can be a versatile defensive lineman for you they have a lot of good defensive linemen there but you don't know how many of them are there long term like brandon graham josh sweat derrick barnett like how long are those guys going to be there long term so it makes sense for them to get an ojalary or a will mcdonald um somebody like that so i think that those guys are certainly options surprised you didn't say miles murphy that's who i was thinking that's where that's the one player that i i have miles murphy too i should throw miles murphy in there you know he's he's basically

in the same thinking that added to me what a bar is um so i would throw yeah i would throw that i would say look i'll i'll narrow it down to two for you and then you could you you could pick and i still think we'll be able to salvage this eagles draft um miles murphy and i'll say will mcdonald are the two ones that i'm looking at i have murphy ranked higher and i think they go with the size with this pick do you have ojalary ranked above either of them i have ojalary ranked above both of them okay so would you rather go ojalary that's tricky ojal. is my 20th ranked player. Murphy's my 22nd. Um, I think once again, it goes back to them needing size in this defense. I would still lean miles Murphy and I know it's not as fun. It's not, but I feel pretty good about putting miles Murphy on the field as a rookie and him being able to play the run and he's gonna figure it out.

And Philadelphia is a pass rusher in that room around those guys. That's the question we have with him, right? Can you consistently rush the passer? And this is a place where I actually think that light comes on for him or has the best chance to. Okay. All right. We'll go with it. Myles Murphy there at number 30. So, fellas, take us home. Yeah, he gets the closest thing out.

Dancy Chiefs, 31. This one lines up really well with the board and what we've talked about. But quickly on on Miles Murphy, it's the same conversation we had about Howell earlier. After Venables left, Miles Murphy, different player. If you go back, not last year, but year before, how does that guy get out of the top 15? He doesn't, based on two years ago's tape.

This year, more questions after a big change in coaching there. But you know, again, Howie coming in, scooping, stealing, grabbing stuff. That's still there. Love the pick. Yeah. That's exactly what the Eagles do. But with chiefs, I I'm going to let you talk to this one, Brett, but I think we're in the same place and it's just pick a flavor. It's really, this is actually one of the hardest ones we've had because i'm picking between my children um i i'm looking at will mcdonald and felix and educo zoma oh yeah

okay we went a different way there what were you thinking well i'm thinking tackle we had talked about this that that again we talked about this andy reed come on like replacing yang you mean yeah exactly andy reed when in doubt it's gonna take a tackle and there's you know two tackles i think that would fit here it's a question of whether or not you think he can swap bergeron left to right who's the guy we talked about he has the right demeanor to fit with that line like one of the things you see on bergeron's tape is oh he likes to finish guys he likes to bury you know but you've got duan jones who is this traits monster who is the same way if he gets his hands on you he loves to just drop on top of you

and smush you and that's gonna go i mean come on imagine that line right with either one of those guys and filling in a right tackle with who they already have right creed trade but like that's a monster line what happened to darian canard he's uh i thought it was injuries right yeah with his knee i want to say knee i know he was beat up but it's like he's when he could draft fifth sixth round what was it yeah it was wildly low and i think it was medical related it was it was red flag for sure but i mean is he even an option because like i liked canard when he was out there and he was playing so it's almost like oh the chiefs have an offensive tackle opening zero people are talking about during canard it feels like maybe

i'm just not as tuned in with the chiefs as i need to be but that's surprising to me it's a question of whether or not they're going to be able to get over that and count on him and I don't know the answers to that question because I'm not tied in but it is an interesting question and just for that reason Brett let's pivot back to two players who I do really like and you said McDonald or Felix Felix would be super fun here because of both his rush play style but also come on he played at kansas state like yeah it's k state guy it's the shortest commute ever we both love him as a player i would i would green stamp that one immediately i so one thing since you brought up tackle one thing i have in the back of my head

if we went to wand here right we're getting five years contract control on a massive long right tackle i would do that if you believe that we will get one of the following edges in the second round will mcdonald felix ojalary uh 2e2 palo 2 um derrick hall oh you're definitely going to get Byron Young. You see here we can get in the third. I wonder what Connor thinks here, but I feel like you can get Derek Hall or Byron Young

at least at 63. Possibly Tooley, depending. If we're just going for a duo of picks here right tackle is kind of the same thing we did earlier you start with tackle you come back for edge right yeah that feels like a strong thought process i'm i'm with you is that if we wait who are the tackles we're going to get after that sort of bergeron drop off and you're talking about the

blake freeland like there's there's some guys we like but they feel a whole lot more developmental i agree that duan jones is right on that sort of developmental he's he's more traits than he is player right now but the ceiling is redonkulous and all the edge guys come on one of those guys is going to be there if you're comfortable with all of them i love what connor said about the stack right yeah duan jones and then the best remaining edge rusher as opposed to any of those red dressers your your prime pick and then what a tackle at 60 yeah or i think we've talked ourselves into it how about we just be safe protect the half billion dollar man yeah i mean because like we're screwed if pat goes down anyway

right so let's just do whatever we can to make that not happen all right we're locking it in we are we're gonna lock into one jones to close this thing out and man that line becomes an absolute bulldozer unit all right well i wasn't gonna i wasn't gonna name off every single selection but this mock draft is one of my favorites that we have done over the last month and a half so uh i will and uh maybe ryan if you're listening you can you can put the image up on the screen for the people on youtube but number one overall obviously remember uh the bootleg boys pick for the odds uh connor and i pick for the evens number one overall cj stroud of the carolina panthers bright young went two to the texans anthony richardson in a trade-up went number three to the atlanta falcons will anderson went to the Texans. Anthony Richardson in a trade-up went number three to the Atlanta Falcons.

Will Anderson went to the Colts at number four in a situation in which we think they are getting Lamar Jackson. Tyree Wilson to the Seahawks at five. Jalen Carter to the Lions at six. Devon Witherspoon to the Raiders at seven. Christian Gonzalez then went to the Arizona Cardinals as the second part of that trade at number eight. Peter Skowronski to the Bears at number nine.

Jackson Smith and Jigwit at the Eagles at ten. Create an unbelievably fun offense that will absolutely be banned in Madden any time that you're playing online. The other person will just leave the lobby if you pick the Eagles. Paris Johnson Jr. to the Titans at 11. Joey Porter Jr. to the Texans at 12. Broderick Jones to the Jets at 13. Nailed that one, boys.

Van Ness to the Patriots at 14. Dalton Kincaid to Packers at 15. Deontay Banks to Washington at number 16. Darnell Wright, Steelers at 17., to Packers, at 15, Deontay Banks, to Washington, at number 16, Darnell Wright, Steelers, at 17, Darnell Washington, Lions,

at 18, Anton Harrison, to the Bucks, at 19, Jordan Addison, to the Seahawks, at 20, Zay Flowers,

to the Chargers, at 21, Quinton Johnson, to the Ravens, at 22, rolling with Snoop Conner, or Snoop Huntley, actually Snoop Conner,

is actually a real name, that I just messed up there, but, there we go. Former draft name. Yeah, they're just stupid, pointless names in up there. Former draft name. Yeah, fast. They're just pointless names in my head.

Will Levis finally comes off the board of the Minnesota Vikings. You are a Viking. You are a Minnesota Viking. Brian Branch to the Jags at 24. John Michael Smith to the Giants at 25. Nolan Smith to the Dallas Cowboys at 26. B. John Robinson goes to the Bills at 27. Clyde Jekansi to Conor Chagrin to the Cincinnati Bengals at 28. Keanu Benton gets in the first round at 29 to the Saints.

Miles Murphy to the Eagles at 30. And then DeJuan Jones at 31 to the Kansas City Chiefs to bring us home. Fellas, that was awesome. That was so much fun. It wasn't quite five hours, but this is definitely the longest episode that we have ever done. And it was a beauty at that. Thank you all so much for joining us. This was beauty at that. Thank y'all so much for

joining us. This was an absolute blast. We appreciate y'all so much. Thanks for having us. Yeah, you guys were phenomenal. It was, it was really fun to just talk through the different processes. And obviously Trevor and I kind of aligned with you guys, talk about stacks, talk about the second round. I think that's why there's, you know, maybe the biggest problem with mock draft content in the world is so many people do operate them understandably like there's no other picks in the draft. And I think something we did a really good job of today is kind of outlining, here's what you can get on day two and here's what you can't. And that thought process will trickle into the round one room.

I love being able to do this kind of thing. It makes us all better. Certainly makes us better. I don't think people realize how much of this work you do in a silo how much of it's in your own head staring at your own screen your own little echo chamber and to be able to open it up we're both lucky to have partners that we can do it with and then to to expand that even further and double it is is a real treat for us so thank you for sharing all that knowledge with us as well as always guys uh let us know what you thought of the mock drafts hit us up in the comments the youtube comments is the best way to do that we've had some awesome discussions in that

way uh before uh and i'm sure the comments will fly on this one so we're going to get into conversations as much as we possibly can if you're audio only you can follow uh me and connor at least at tampa bay trey at connor j rogers the same thing on instagram but more importantly than that y'all please follow brett and ej they do incredible work both individually and together on bootleg football you can see that over on their youtube channel that is the name bootleg uh football you can follow them both individually at football ej if that tells you how serious the man is about his craft on twitter you can follow brett coleman as well at brett coleman you can follow those guys uh individually on youtube too so um y'all thank you so much for joining us.

We really appreciate it. This has been so much fun. Connor and I are going to be back with you on Thursday to give you our final quarterback rankings for the 2023 NFL draft. It's a big week on the show. You're not going to want to miss that. I'm Trevor Sikama.

That's Connor Roger for Brett Coleman and EJ Snyder. Thank you guys so much for watching the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. We'll see you next time. Bye.