NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 164. "What We Would Do" Mock Draft With Benjamin Solak & Danny Kelly

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema (no Connor Rogers this week) continue the Collab Mock Draft Series with two dear friends of the pod: Danny Kelly and Benjamin Solak of The Ringer. The three rotate their way through a new "what we would do" mock draft with trade talks, trade moves, and new names in the first round discussion. Check out all of Ben and Danny's work over at The Ringer dot com, and on The Ringer NFL Draft Show

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. In this episode, we've got the latest installment of the CoLab Mock Draft series for you, this time featuring two of the best in the business. From the ringer, it is Danny Kelly and Benjamin Solak. So excited for this one. It's a what we would do mock draft.

So myself, Danny and Ben, we each take turns going through the order of a brand new first round mock draft. And because it's what we would do and because we got two guests, you're talking about new names, new conversations, new thought processes when it comes to the first round of the 2023 NFL draft. I'm Trevor Sikama. No Connor Rogers for this one. But Connor, I promise you're going to like the pick that we have for the Jets at 13. Let's ring the bell.

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I am Trevor Sikama. No Connor Rogers for this mock draft episode. I know, I know you guys are so disappointed, but don't worry. We have two phenomenal guests to take his place. I shouldn't say that. Nobody takes Connor's place. To enhance what would be a terrible podcast

if it was just me, we have to continue our collaborative guest mock draft series. Danny Kelly and Benjamin Solak from The Ringer here with me to go through a brand new what we would do mock draft. We're going through Benjamin Solak from the ringer here with me to go through a brand new, what we would do mock draft. We're going through all the way to the first round.

We're going to divide this bad boy up into three. So I'll take a pick. Daniel, take a pick, Ben will take a pick. And then we will just continue that order all the way until we get through an entire first round. Danny,

Ben, thank you guys so much for doing this with me, man. I've been really looking forward to this one. I think this is going to be a lot of fun. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Can't wait.

Everything's delicious. Oh, I was told, I was told, I was told I had to say it. I didn't really get like a toss. And so I was like, I'll just say it. You know, Ben, I, uh, I actually had a tee up for you, which I'm still going to do for the everything is delicious for those who might be listening for the first time. Ben and I used to do a podcast together called Locked On NFL Draft. Danny and I haven't done a podcast,

although maybe we do in a different multiverse, Danny. I don't know. Maybe we do and our other variants are going to come in and just let us know what our intro used to be, but we're going to have some fun on this podcast. Danny is mine now. You can't have him. I've upgraded a co-host in every category but hair. There was a downgrade on hair, but you had to take it.

Look, look. Wow. I know you're telling the truth, but you didn't have to say it. Come on. I'm really excited to do this. This is a lot of fun to do on the collaborative mock draft series that we did last week with EJ and Brett. And now, obviously, we get to do it with uh with danny and ben here so fellas first and foremost uh i i just want to ask you some overall thoughts on the class y'all are digging into it ben i saw you put out a top

40 i think recently danny yeah you're doing all sorts of work with the ringers nfl draft guide you're doing that for months and months in advance so um just y'all's thoughts on the overall class it doesn't feel like it's the strongest class in the world but there are certain position groups i think that are a lot of fun that i know we'll get into in this first mock draft so danny i'll start with you since you're the draft guide guy and ben insulted me and then i'll get to ben's thoughts he kind of insulted my hair too sort of that's true we don't have to get to bed come on geez man well i walked into that one um love you danny yeah yeah no i think uh first off it's fun that there's good quarterbacks in this class or at least

quarterbacks that are going to go in the first round oh yeah um so that always makes things interesting sounds like there's gonna be i think there will be a lot of surprises in the first round which is always fun just because after you get past the first 10 or 15 players maybe we say this every year but after we get past 10 or 15 players, maybe we say this every year, but after we get past 10 or 15 players, I do feel like this class, anything could happen. You know, I'm looking at the, from 15 through 50, there's going to be just a lot of varying opinions

on players, I believe. And so I think this year, more than usual, there's going to be some pretty wild and crazy stuff happening in the first round. So I'm really looking forward to that. So that's kind of like my big picture thing it's just like anything could happen this first round ben you did your um most recent or i should say i guess initial big board for this class and you said that you've pretty sure you're pretty sure you've

watched all the good players and you have 40 total so what is that that wasn't meant to be the the the presentation the reason why i why I put out a top 40 is because that's the most people I could put into a screenshot on my laptop. So I was like, all right, that's top 40. That's what we're doing. No, I agree with DK that it's a really difficult class to figure out

what's going to happen. I almost tweeted out today. I was like, I feel like I know maybe what two of the first round picks are going to be. And then like i don't i don't know them for sure and they're not one and two which is usually where you start like it's just it's very tricky to figure out how this just class goes in terms of like who gets picked where the same thing is is true just with the class before you start talking about picks like it's just like i i know who my wide receiver one is but i'm not sure i'm totally sold on it i know like where i've ranked the corner class i'm not

sure i'm totally sold on that i get so it's a weird class not a lot of blue chippers and so it's a lot of of what measurables do you like what flavors do you like what roles do you have it's a tough one to slog through yeah no i i know mike renner, also from PFF, obviously. He's said that there's three blue chippers in this class. It's Will Anderson. I mean, he said this before the Jalen Carter off the field stuff happened, but it was Will Anderson, it was Jalen Carter, and it was Bijan Robinson. He said, like, those were the three. That's what I got, yeah.

Right, and you know that the first two could very well be in the top five for their talent, but then you go, okay, there's only one other blue chip talent. It's Bijan Robinson. It's a running back. Where do you, where do you take him in this draft? And so I think that that's going to be an ultimate wild card. I'm very curious to where he goes here in our, in our first round mock draft, just so I make sure that I say this,

if you love these guys analysis, which I know that you absolutely will go, check it out. The ringer.com. What did you say? It was NFL draft. Dot the ring. Dot the ringer.com. What did you say? It was NFL draft. Dot the ring. Dot the ringer.com. Okay.

I nailed it. That's where you can find all their NFL draft stuff. And if you like the podcast format, if you like the soothing sound of both of these gentlemen's voices, um, you could hear it on the ringer NFL draft show, basically anywhere you get your podcast. So I wanted to make sure that I said that off the top,

because I'm also going to say it at the end, but I know some of you out there, once you start to hit the outro, you leave the podcast. So I want to make sure that I said that off the top, because I'm also going to say it at the end, but I know some of you out there, once you start to hit the outro, you leave the podcast. And that's, I just got to say, first and foremost, it's not cool. How dare you? How dare you?

First and foremost, seven minutes into the recording. I'm going to keep saying, I'm going to keep saying first and foremost. That's a great bit. All right, pick 18. First and foremost. I got to keep it going.

I got to keep it going now. So we divided this up before the show started. We actually, yeah, planned the show since Connor's not here. And Ben's going to have the first pick. So he's going to kick us off here. Danny's going to have the first pick. So he's going to kick us off here. Danny's going to have the second pick. I'm going to pick third. So then what we'll do is it's not a snake draft.

It'll just repeat after that. So Ben gets four. Danny gets five. I get six. We're not going to bring up the fact that I struggled to do math with adding three to five before we hit record. We're not going to bring that up, Ben. So I will let the draft start as of right now you guys can follow along at home

if you want to using pfs mock draft simulator ben that means that you are on the clock but before you choose my friend and before you get into your discussion here i want to remind you both that trades are available even for the teams in which you are controlling yourself so you could do a trade with yourself or if you find another spot where you want to negotiate with one of us live on the podcast you can absolutely do that so ben you're up right now before you make your selection or before you get into it um i am bound by blood via a john wick marker to ask you my friend how are you doing uh everything's delicious i thought you're to ask me if I wanted to trade. And I was like,

no, I just got this pick, man. I've sent DJ more for it. No, that was the setup to everything is delicious that I thought. So where are we going here? Trevor and Danny.

Yeah. I'm on the, I got the Panthers on the board here at one. What does the whiteboard say behind me? Fellas says, no matter what. I, I don't think the Panthers do this but i control

the panthers i'm taking richardson off the board of one i love it freaking love it dig into it my friend let's hear why if i'm running a team so first and foremost we'll start with this yes if i'm running a team first and foremost i i would like to let somebody else take Bryce Young. I think Bryce is awesome. I love his film. I think he has every chance to be a really, really good pro. I don't want to put my eggs in the 5'10", 204-pound basket. I would just like to go a different route.

Again, I don't want to play outliers. I want to play the middle of the road. I want to swing where I have the highest percentages. So I don't want to take Bryce. So if it's CJ, Richardson, and Levis, I really like CJ Stroud. He grades out the highest of the quarterbacks for me, just like off of film alone. But the ceiling on Stroud's low, he's just not that high.

He doesn't have that high of a ceiling because of a lack of mobility. And he's got good arm talent in terms of accuracy, but he doesn't have like elite arm talent in terms of pushing the ball down the field. So I'm just, I'm operating somewhere in the dac prescott jared golf spectrum of quarterbacks and with richardson i'm operating on a different world of spectrums i'm operating on a different planet in terms of the physical ability and so i would i if i have control of the draft i'm swinging for the fences right if i connect on cj shroud i have the third best quarterback in the nfc if i connect on anthony

richardson i have the third best quarterback in the league i i feels like i gotta go that way right and so for the high ceiling i like anthony richardson danny i'm curious uh what your thoughts are on ben's analysis there the choice to go richardson at one and then obviously just ushering that into you being up at the houston texas at number two yeah so I think it's such an interesting question in terms of like with so many young established superstar quarterbacks right now the idea of swinging for the fences versus kind of going the safer route when we're talking Richardson versus Bryce Young or CJ Stroud I think it's so interesting and it's especially interesting for Ac teams because with

the majority of these young quarterbacks in the afc josh allen patrick mahomes uh you know lamar jackson burrow for now pervert right who knows where he'll end up but right um i think it's such an interesting question because like do you even if you get like like ben was saying like a pretty good quarterback is that gonna be enough to push you over the top? Maybe one year, like you can, all the chips, everything will sort of fall in place and you'll have like a really elite year, but going for, you know, the alien quarterback who can do everything and totally change the

complexion of your team, I think makes a lot of sense. So I was actually going to pick Anthony Richardson for the Texans, but then I got sniped yeah nice try brother yeah so screw you um and then for so that is now i face the same question like what do i do here because you know are we going to take a guy who has a slightly lower ceiling than you know richardson in terms of his overall skill set but could still be a good player for you I'm gonna go with CJ Stroud there is a question here which I think is another fascinating one is um CJ Stroud is repped by David mulugeta who also reps uh to Sean Jack or Deshaun Watson obviously and so there's like maybe potentially some bad blood there between him and the team can you still can you

never do business with a guy like this again? Probably not. That's not like realistic, but would that sort of face the text? Would that make the Texans decide to go a different route here? Who knows? From everything that you're hearing, it sounds like they really like Bryce Young, but I would say just like, to be totally honest over the last couple of months as I've dug into this class, I've been a little bit spooked by the size thing.

I think at the beginning of the process, I was like, oh, it's fine. You know, he's so good. He's so talented. He can read the field so well. He has such good field vision can, you know, process so quickly that none of this is going to matter. But then as we get closer and like the actual, you know, chips go down, I think I would be a little bit spooked by taking a guy who's that small,

like outlier, outlier, outlier, small. So if I'm making this pick, I'm taking CJ Stroud right here. And I actually ended up moving him to my QB one spot. This last update, just slightly above Bryce Young, even though I love Bryce Young's game, like just the frame thing does actually worry me a little bit. And so that's where I am right now. Yeah, I think that because we just did our quarterback rankings here on the show and i i agree with ben after a film watch cj stroud had the highest film grade of any of these

quarterbacks for me but then of course like you take in athletic ability and some intangibles and obviously some projections some ceiling and you kind of have a different order on the big board i have bryce young as my qb1 i had cj stroud as my qb2 and i had anthony richardson as my qb3 um i said on last week's episode i could very well have anthony richardson in that same bucket as bryce young and cj stroud because they're both things that don't make them surefire prospects and it's kind of the same thing with rich with richardson right a lot of people look at him they go oh the accuracy the accuracy he's got to be sofire prospects. And it's kind of the same thing with Richardson, right? A lot of people look at him, they go, oh, the accuracy, the accuracy. He's got to be so much better with consistency. And he's like, yeah, okay, well, C.J. Stroud struggled with pressure

almost his entire collegiate career. Are we going to ignore that just because of the Georgia game? And there's reason to believe that maybe that's the version of him that you're going to get moving forward, but there's still a projection there for Bryce. Obviously, it's the size. Do you want to bet on an outlier like that at number one overall it's never really happened and so i think it's a really good point so you guys are making but we

we've never seen a mock format that started richardson and stroud but that's what i love so much about uh about doing the what we would do mock draft because it's very different so i'm up with the arizona cardinals at three before i make my decision here because richardson and stroud being off the board is i think different than bryson stroud being off the board which we often see in mock drafts how what's the percentage that you think arizona that you guys think arizona even makes this pick at three do you think it's higher than 50 or you think they're really trying to get out no yeah i was gonna say like 25 30 i think that it's it's their job yeah it's their job to be like we'll stay and make a pick yeah i love to make

a pick i think it's great picking three oh baby however no i mean i put the chance that they make this picket at three at like yeah 15 20 so i agree with you. I think that it's at least less than 50%. The odds are higher that they don't pick here. Who's trading up though? Right. Like, I don't think Vegas is really in the conversation anymore. I think that they're going to stay put. It doesn't feel like Chris Ballard wants to even have the chance for somebody to think that they pulled a fast one on him to move

up one spot to get a guy that he might've been able to get it for anyways. So why aren't the Raiders trading up? So I don't think the Raiders are trading up because the contract that they gave Jimmy G I think allows them to stay at seven and say, hey, if a quarterback falls to us at seven, fine. But we're not really trying to move up to three to go get one because the price is probably going to be really high to move up. That's just my opinion. That's what I think.

Do you not agree with that? I mean, like, I would be fine with it if they stayed at seven and got a quarterback there. I don't think you're guaranteed one of the top four makes it to seven. I don't think so either. Like if let's say like the Titans are at 11. DJ was was Daniel Jeremiah was saying that the Titans are trying to move up. Yes.

Let's say they do it. Let's say the Falcons have been head faking on on Ritter. Let's say the Seahawks at five want to get in front of the Colts to go get will love us because they love him so much for Bryce Young. They love him so much in these circumstances, all of a sudden you're little, Oh, we just signed Jimmy Garoppolo. Now we can stay at seven plant becomes, Oh, we are starting Jimmy Garoppolo. And that's not as good a plan as it sounded. Yeah.

You know, I guess this is what, what we would do mock. And, um, you know, if I were the Raiders, I wouldn't want to do that. I think I've talked a lot about what I think the Raiders are going to do. How many picks? I have the Raiders at seven. How many picks? They're a normal amount.

They're past the Julio trade. They don't have a fourth round pick, but they have the rest of them. Yeah. I think the Titans have 11. Who controls the Titans? Danny does. Yeah.

Danny, do you have any interest in moving up to number three to select the quarterback? Shoot. That's a tough question because this is the what I would do thing. I don't think I would. If I'm running the Titans, I'm not moving up. Okay, because it doesn't sound like either of you are super in on Bryce or Levis to where I'm going to convince either of you to move up.

Am I correct in saying that? I think if I'm doing the game of what I would do, I think there's a chance one of those two guys falls to me. So that's why I'm sitting, I'm staying in the right there. Okay. All right, Ben,

I assume you're not. I'm the Raiders at seven. And if I'm the Raiders, I'm the Raiders at seven. I'm probably making the call. Okay. All right. Okay.

Yeah, we can do it. This is what we would do. So let's see. Okay. Do I actually send you something? What do you want? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. All right. The draft chart number for Arizona is 2,200. For the Raiders at seven, it's 1,500. So it's a difference of 700 here. Okay. Take a future second a future second that's it nah come on we're gonna see you guys try to haggle over this no come on brother fine take

a future first look oh future first yeah i give you seven and my 2024 first and i've traded up to three and i go get my boy you can't say no to that i would do it absolutely not yeah you could definitely do that that would definitely that would definitely do it but for this i think you could get away with doing it no no no no look at monty austin rookie, newbie. All right, fine. F you. This is Dave Ziegler, who's the GM of the Raiders, who used to be a Patriots guy, and Monte Austin Fort, the GM of the Cardinals, used to be with the Titans,

used to be a Patriots guy. They're bros. Hey, Monte, what's up? How you been? How are the kids? Take my future first. All right, deal. Okay, then because you are the team that was

controlling them and you go up to three you you make the quarterback pick it number three who you take it yes okay so remember how earlier i was like i would not take bryce young oh yeah yeah i do remember you saying that yeah yeah yeah yeah probably at this point i'm taking bryce young because right now firstly he's fallen a little bit which is nice right secondly um i don't know if the raiders are going to be that hard committed on levis right just it seems like the levis market is cool save for one team which is jeremy fowler vs bns like yeah the colts really like levis and nobody else really does so i think levis at four of the colts is kind of a something that we're seeing

more more commonly recently um but i feel like if we're if we're in the position where bryce young falls out of the top two which listeners might be like there's no way right it could never happen i disagree like we're three weeks out and there i we've still yet to get like a strong panthers are leaning cj shroud nor do we have like this is a big thing this year nor do we have a strong like the texans really love bryce young like everybody's just decided bryce young to the texans for months but at no This is a big thing this year. Nor do we have a strong, like, the Texans really love Bryce Young. Everybody's just decided Bryce Young to the Texans for months. But at no point has there been a prominent national reporter.

There's been Texans, but there's not been a prominent national reporter being like, the Texans are really in on Bryce Young. And so I don't think this world is actually that crazy of a world. That's important to note. But the Raiders in seven move up to three, get Bryce Young, feel like they get their quarterback of the future, feel like they get a defining of the future so i think in a defining franchise guy love it yeah so obviously it's what we would do mock draft and and that that means the most here i don't know if i don't i don't know if josh mcdaniels would pick bryce young but i i certainly would if i'm the one trading up to

go draft him so um all right all right all right brace young at number three to the uh las vegas raiders which ben now you are on the clock with the colts at number four because that's how you know oh this is electric i'm gonna trade all my picks out be done by pick 10 and now i'm gonna log off and i'm gonna go eat dinner um okay so right now i'm taking all the quarterbacks it's the easiest thing i've ever done we'll have a support going to the colts i brought that up i don't even know i remember i was speaking for him oh my god this is ridiculous the culture at four yeah mathematically speaking if they don't trade back one of the rookies is gonna be there and organizationally speaking if chris ballard doesn't draft a rookie quarterback in the first round this year, Jim Irsay is going to lock him out of the building.

He's giving Jamal Adams showing up to the jets facility. It's just not going to work. All right. He's out. He's done. And so to me, like I've seen some recent swing back of like, Oh, maybe Ballard doesn't have to draft a rookie. No, he does. Like Jim Irsay is going to, the board's going to be four players big on night one. And Jim Irsay is is gonna the board's gonna be four players big on on night one and jim ursae is gonna be making sure it's four players big uh i think that that they're comfortable with levis at four uh levis i think makes sense for the ballard prototype in terms

of being like a prototypical height weight speed size guy uh i don't even like mind it like i think levis has somehow weirdly become underrated in this whole quarterback discourse i agree yeah like we just ride the waves of like, he's overhyped, he's underhyped. We're going to end up right in the middle. 2022? Yeah, 2022 wasn't great film, but tools-wise, you're like, oh yeah, that's a first-rounder.

And then you watch 2021, you're like, oh, this worked. This worked recently. In an NFL offense, we got it. So I like Levis. I like him before. His cast last year was horrific one of the worst offensive lines in the country one of the worst receiving cores in the country uh play calling play designs were bad like it was never going to be good for levis it was just never

going to be good for him now i will throw a wrench into this which is really great that you're doing this trev good job as a podcast host doing this right now four picks in the draft the lamar jackson domino could also be into this for yeah for any of you gentlemen that that wish to that wish to jump in on it um if you think that a team should like go all take us back to number one i control the carolina panthers there's a mvp quarterback on the market or we could could just say, all right, we don't know what's going to happen with that. Obviously, we'll just kind of like let it be

and see what happens after that anyway. So, all right, Will Levis, as we say many times on this podcast, you are an Indianapolis Colt. We've been saying it for months. We think that we're putting it in the stars here. So, Danny. We love it. We love it.

You are now up at number five with the Seattle Seahawks. I mean, this is like a perfect scenario for me i think for the seahawks because the seahawks it does feel like they're just doing the smoke and mirrors thing they went to every pro day for all the quarterbacks taking selfies posted it on like their official channels hundreds and hundreds of thousands of millions of people knowing that they're like in love with these quarterbacks dk as a seahawks fan i do have a quick question whose idea do you think that was big pete carroll walked into the office one day was like my granddaughter just told me about something called a selfie and she said if we take them with all the top quarterbacks people we know like who thought this of this plan

that is an excellent question it does feel more like pete carroll john schneider it feels like pete yeah so i would be you're gonna say that you're gonna picture in the background ben of more like Pete Carroll, John Schneider. It feels like Pete. Yeah. Of course it's Pete. I'm going to say that. You've got a picture in the background, Ben, of him standing there shirtless next to DK Metcalf. So, of course, it's got to be Pete. Elite moment. Exactly.

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um i have p carol meeting dk metcalf shirtless i have tom brady holding up four fingers when he thought it was fourth down i have will muschchamp teaching the Texas locker room. We call chop. Yeah, exactly. I got a lot of good stuff up here. That's really good. That's really good. All right. So anyways, Danny, please.

Number five. So with all the Pete Carroll shenanigans in mind, I think they don't want a quarterback or at least they want to advertise that they could be willing to move back. However, with four guys off the board here, the fact that Will anderson is still there has just got to be amazing for the seahawks this is the type of player that is like perfect for them so i'm going i'm running sprinting to the

podium picking will anderson and feeling great about it i mean just if like you said it feels like the dream you know they're getting a player who all things considered when you're looking at all sorts of big boards. I mean, I got to think that will Anderson's consensus spot on a big board is going to be like two points, something. I mean, he's either going to be people's number one overall prospect, number two overall prospect, or at very worst, number three, overall prospect.

And the fact that that's the case that he plays a premium position and he and he plays the position that the seahawks are looking to upgrade the most it just feels like it's all there for them to get that kind of a player at number five it's got to be a steal um i'm up with the detroit lions now at number six and i'm gonna go back to back here because Ben traded with number seven. So I also have Cardinals elite. Look, this is the tough question, right? What do you do with Jalen Carter? And we say all the time that the toughest part of our job is the fact that the biggest swing factor,

the biggest X factor to evaluating prospects is who they are as people, right? What makes them tick between the years when the helmet comes off or whatever it is. You know, the work ethic, the off the field, the everything that goes into it. Jalen Carter, there are barely any question marks at all whatsoever when you turn on the film. This guy's an unbelievable player. He was my number one overall player when the season ended on my big board and the thing is is which organizations are going to think that they're going to get the best version of that player for an entire career i don't know the answers to that but i do know that he is an absolute freak of a prospect in

the best way when it comes to between the whistle so for the lions he's the perfect prospect that they need he enhances their defense a ton, and he could be an absolute home run for him. So I'm going to take Jalen Carter at six. So I'm going to do that. What do y'all think? Do y'all think that he gets out of the top 10? No.

The over-under on him right now, I want to say, is like six and a half, seven and a half. So we're about right where people think. Yeah, I mean, the most important thing with the Jalen Carter situation is this. We were all together in Indianapolis in March in the combine when he left. We woke up one morning and Jalen Carter was gone because he was going to be arrested and bailed out. And I don't know the correct technical police terms, but that was something that was going to happen because he was involved in that reckless driving incident which ended with a tragic tragic loss of life the nfl in indianapolis at the combine heard this and went oh yeah we'll have to look into that it's work that's the you know serious

stuff and then like two weeks later he showed up to his protein nine pounds heavier and the nfl's like whoa whoa whoa what wait wait what which just shows you how the nfl thinks about and cares about these things right like it's a sad reality nfl draft but off field stuff like the nfl is gonna take a lot of water over the back out to draft a really talented player that's just the reality of of this draft and how teams do players yeah no we we connor and i obviously talked a a little bit about that last time that we were going through the mock draft it It felt, I don't know. It felt very strange. And I wish I said this last week, but I wish if Jalen really wasn't ready to perform at pro day,

whether it was mentally, whether it was fatigue wise, whether it was body type, what training, whatever, if because of what he went through at the combine in the weeks that followed didn't allow him to be a hundred percent when George's pro day rolled around, I wish somebody would have told him like, Hey man, like you don't, you don't have to work out. Like there's, because the people aren't going to have the right sort of mindset or sympathy for you when you're going through that. Like, Oh, he's exhausted. Oh,

he's nine pounds heavier. Oh, he's not sure. I wonder why, probably because he, what we went through two weeks ago and has been dealing with that. Not only the practical things that he's had to deal with, but also like the mental stress of it, probably all getting to him. So a ton of things that need to work out anyways, on the field, Jalen Carter is an absolute animal. If you get that, if you get that player at number six, it's a steal.

Cardinals now on the clock at seven gain an extra first round pick out of it. I will say this is what i would do mock draft so i think i'm gonna go christian gonzalez that makes sense to me it's hammered upon witherspoon because i freaking love devon witherspoon same you know what i'm gonna stay true i'm gonna be me you gotta be me wow my set my my second grade teacher said you know you gotta be you and so you know i'm gonna honor right here devon witherspoon number seven overall to the arizona cardinals they need a corner bad and devon witherspoon's tape is sick so that's where i'm going yeah he's like a he's a difference maker impact player but he's also like gonna up the intensity on the

entire defense which i feel like the cardinals of any team needs like a tone setter um the biggest the biggest problem with this pick whether it's christian Christian Gonzalez, whether it's Devon Witherspoon, or honestly, no matter who it is, is you put that player on this Cardinals roster and you go, cool, it's still bad. The team gets no better just because of this one player. The team's only going to get better if you continue to pick three, four, five good players, and then things might change. This Cardinals roster

especially if they trade uh deandre hopkins like it's bad yeah this team stinks and kyler's probably not even going to play at all next year at that point what is he two years into a monster contract are you looking to trade kyler next offseason because he's not going to line up with your winning window you know like we've had this conversation on this show before but you think yes you think that they'd be into that ben 100 and what way caleb williams at usc is the season we think cable is going to have at usc which is the highest caliber season which is the exact season you just had last season yeah buddy yeah that's the grass starts looking greener on the other side yeah cardinals start losing a lot of football games.

Kyler could absolutely get on the trading block for that. All right. Anyways, I went Devon with his unit seven. Who's up now, Ben? I'm up, I think, with the Atlanta Falcons. See, this is where the math got me before the show. Learn how three works, man. Can't.

Can't. Won't. Won't. All right. So I got the Falcons. They have needs in several different areas. Not quarterback, if you ask them. Well, maybe.

Let's do the Lamar Jackson thing right now. Why don't we? You can. You can. I'm trading for Lamar Jackson. I'm giving up this first round pick to the Ravens. Who's going to have the Ravens? Who's going to have the Ravens? Oh, who does have the Ravens?

Ben, you're the guy in threes. No, it's 22, so it's DK. Is it? There we go. Perfect. Yes. It's collusion. I mean, the Lamar situation is collusion, but this also.

I know. Dude, you can do this if you want. Wait a minute. I'm trying to do the math here. I got 8, 11, 14, 17, 20. I don't have 22. Oh, because the Dolphins pick isn't there. Oh, I got hacked by numbers.

That's cheating. So it's... So who's after me? Ben, you have the Ravens. I have numbers that are... Yeah, it's me. Okay, yeah. So I'm signing the offer sheet.

I'm giving you my next two first round picks. Are you accepting that deal? I mean, I think for the sake of the Lamar's never going to play for the Ravens gang, he's very angry at them. Yes. All right. But should we do this here for the Falcons since they're literally never, they're not going to do it.

That's my only thing. We're going through a mock draft exercise and we can give, I can give you the points. I can give you the points i can give you the extra credit that you would have done this but it just seems like it's not the issue with what would you do right right i think that's fair if i was them i would trade for lamar i'd sign that offer she'd give up the next two first round picks but since that's probably not gonna happen let's see here i mean this is this is good because it's going to break Falcons fans' hearts. Like, if I were in charge, we'd be trading for Lamar.

We'd be loading up. We'd be winning the NFC South. But because Trevor will let me do that, Peter Skowronski. Yeah, yeah. Look, I'm a Bucs fan. You think I'm going to let you get Lamar? Absolutely not. I'm trading for him at number 19.

Collusion again. So I'm waffling between two players here okay i think i'm gonna go with christian gonzalez the corner even though maybe that's not like their top need great pick great pick i just think he's so good incredible athlete great length um just knows how to use leverage knows how to leverage the sideline. Good-ish ball skills. Obviously, he didn't really do a lot until his last season, but I don't know. I think his upside is just incredible. So I'm giving him Christian Gonzalez, even though that might not be like their top need on paper.

I just think it's good for them. Ben, you said good pick. I think corner two is such a huge need for the Falcons, and the fact that it doesn't get discussed drives me crazy. Ryan Nielsen, who's their new DC came from the saints where like every year was Marshawn Lattimore. And let's figure out who we can be good over here.

Paulson, a Devo, Alante Taylor. They're like those six games of Ken Crawley that one time, right? Like it was, they want to play a ton of man coverage and they, they're another not equipped to do that on the outside opposite of AJ

Terrell. And then offensively like, oh, they need, you know, more better wide receivers and, andly like oh they need you know more better wide receivers and they can improve quarterback listen arthur smith has been making offenses work for as long not as long as i can remember last like five six years but yeah the one the one he made work last year man first and foremost the with tyler algira with alabama zakiya and whatever like

arthur smith is so good at raising the floor of an offense. And so to me, like I don't need to be spending my first round pick there. I would so much rather go Christian Gonzalez, AJ play opposite AJ Terrell. We're gonna play man coverage on 85% of the snaps. I don't have to do prep for the rest of the week, man.

We're on the learn zone. I love the pick. I do too. No, we, we, we mock corner. God, when you say it like that, it sounds like you're making I do too. No, we mock corner. When you say it like that, it sounds like you're making fun of it.

No, but we project corner a lot to the Falcons because I agree. Pairing Terrell with somebody who can stand on their own on the outside is a deadly combo. And the more we talk about offenses trying to get as many pass catchers on the field as possible possible you have to talk about the other side of the coin where its defenses are now uh required to have a lot of guys on the field who can really cover it's not just oh we've got one shutdown corner we're good to go the rest of them will figure it out there's too many good receivers on on every team so bears up at number

nine obviously they traded back from um number one with carolina panthers i'm gonna go with the pick that i've been gravitating towards a lot not sure it happens but i think they'd be a perfect pairing i'm gonna go with paris johnson jr here i love paris johnson's versatility i mean he not only played guard and tackle during his career at ohio state he played right guard and then left tackle so like this guy has dealt with the footwork of being on the right side of the line and the left side of the line for full seasons and the body type the talent he's definitely an offensive tackle but whatever you want to do with braxton jones um you can do i think this allows tevin jenkins to kick inside full time um where he might be better so if you want to keep braxton jones at left tackle if you want

to be comfortable with that, I think the Paris Johnson Jr. can be a great right tackle as well, or you could flip it however you think you're getting your best five out there. So all of a sudden, I think the Chicago Bears offensive line looks a lot better than it used to with Paris Johnson Jr. So I'm going to go with him as offensive tackle one at number nine. I have the Eagles at 10. I'm telling you guys right now, I'm happy to take a trade back

so if you guys have teams that want a Tyree Wilson who's falling right now he's available at 10 they want a uh a Bijan Robinson who in my opinion is like falling right now but I know you know whatever it's a running back thing um if anyone wants to move up come get the top wide receiver yeah anybody no okay i think if i'm moving up for anybody it would be either nolan smith joey porter jr on tip banks nolan smith ain't getting past 10 brother i was gonna say come get your boy well that's that's what i'm saying like if i'm if i'm moving up for anybody i think i'm moving up for either deontay banks joey porter jr nolan smith that's it yeah there's no quarterbacks

left so like washington moving up bucks moving up like i don't think that's not happening nobody's nobody's that crazy about hen hooker right okay if nobody's moving up i can make the pick i'm not moving up for anybody but a quarterback and all the quarterbacks you could probably make the pick here uh-huh that's very sad because i don't want to um you try yeah Well, hold on. Your podcast, buddy. This dead air is on you. I'm looking at the, I don't control the Jets. You actually do, Ben? I was thinking about the Jets.

I think the Jets might be in a spot where, first and foremost, I don't think they're moving 13 for Aaron Rodgers. I do not think it's happening. I agree. I agree. I agree. So at that that point you're getting rogers for something that's not 13 you have to make sure the offensive line is as good as it can be at least for next year maybe you're getting rogers for two years i don't know probably not but like that's where my mind goes either them at 13 or the patriots at 14, because the Patriots also need an offensive tackle, and the Titans need an offensive tackle.

Maybe the Texans would draft an offensive lineman, and the Jets are also going to draft an offensive lineman. So the Patriots would almost have to move up for desperation, but is Belichick going to move up? Because it's not really his thing. And there's also, there's so many tackles left, right? Only Parrish Johnson's gone off the board. So Peter Skronsky's left, Broderick Jones is left to juan jones is left anton harris yeah there's so many guys yeah i think the eagles make the pick i have to pick here at 10 yeah we talked

about we should be trying to move back but you couldn't uh the eagles are not taking bjohn robinson here like i would but i won't do that for the sake of realism because there's no chance snowballs chance in hell that they take him dude so's what you which what it's be able to so what you would do mock and this doesn't derail everything but the last time we tried to do that you were like no no no no okay so i i kind of i kind of just vetoed the lamar thing because it's it's quite literally public that they're that this just has no chance of happening i I'm telling you, the Eagles not taking Bijon is as close to public as it can be. Look at Google Howie Roseman, Wikipedia.

Look at his background. We're good. It's public. I would certainly allow you to pick Bijon here, and I think that that would still uphold the mock draft exercise. But if you don't want to, you don't have to. I'm going to take Joey Porter Jr. Okay. Yeah. to you don't have to i'm gonna take joy porter jr okay um yeah i think man out here told me that

nolan smith isn't moving past 10 and he doesn't take nolan smith i was trying to get a trade just such a liar i'm trying to generate trade um on my board i have keely ringo ranked higher um but again like for the sake of i think keeping it within within the realm of reality i don't see him going that early porter jr though is an extremely likable corner he and dionte banks were neck and neck on my board uh and for the sake of the eagles i think they prefer porter jr to banks um the uh uh the corner situation in philadelphia got handled right both james bradbury and darius slayer were like not going to be eagles there for a second and then they both came back which is great um but they're both over 30 and Eagles have no outside corner depth.

The biggest best kept secret of the Eagles entire Superbowl run was if one of their 30 year old corners went down, they had Zach McPherson and Josh Joby coming in. And those are like, didn't we know anybody, anything about these guys? You haven't seen how Roseman draft a lot of early corners in his career, but it's still a premium position. And I think the Porter junior is a lovely little developmental guy. Obviously, he's great.

He can play right now. He's got the length. He can play man coverage. But he does need some polishing around some rough edges just because he's super grabby, gets a lot of penalties. So to me, that's just like a solid pick at 10. All right. So we're going with Joey Porter Jr. for the Eagles at number 10.

A lot of good discourse there. Danny, you are up now with the Titans at 11. All right. So, Titans. Here's how I'm thinking about this. I'm trying not to be the next GM that gets fired because Mike Vrabel has a power struggle. I'm trying to pick a player that he wants.

Of course. Is the deal. That's also another reason I did not trade up with Bryce Young in mind because I don't know what variable would think of that he likes big guys i feel like oh yeah so he likes the talls as just mosqueda i think would say so let's see the titans sitting there at 11 they could literally go in any different direction um i don't know tyree wilson's still there that he is yeah i kind of feel like he's just like

a good pick for them he feels like a tennessee titan to me so let's do this oh yeah for sure yeah big man you're right he's absolutely you know that you know that mike bravo was holding the pads for him at the pro day felt the thump maybe he didn't work out the pro day but in this world i felt the thumb when yeah buddy we're good. He's got some versatility. You know, he's a big physical dude. Huge, huge wingspan. You know, trenches. I don't think there's any problem with this. I don't know.

I just like that for him. I think he would really like that kind of guy. I like that kind of player. The Titans have needs across the board. I was thinking about giving him a receiver. I was thinking about giving him an offensive line. But if this case, if Wilson's still there at 11 I think they would be stoked with that pick yeah I I think that certainly if Tyree Wilson makes it to 11. he's probably their

guy I I can't really imagine a draft board in which they would have somebody ranked higher maybe Paris Johnson Jr maybe Broderick Jones but those are basically the only two guys because I'm like Jalen Carter getting to 11 I mean that's a different story oh my gosh Jalen Carter next to Jeffrey Simmons oh wow would be healthy but yeah um Will Anderson obviously not making it down that far so this is this is a solid pick not just from a talent perspective but also because I agree with you I think that they would uh they would love tyree wilson so that puts me on the clock with the houston texans danny so kindly got me my franchise quarterback at number two with cj stroud this is like where one g like the gm gets a pick and then the coach gets a pick oh yeah it is that everybody feels good. This is good. This is good. All right. So, oof, that wide receiver room.

Do it. Robert Woods, Noah Brown, Nico Collins, Amari Rogers, John Meche III, Stephen Sims. All right. So, this one's either Quentin Johnston for me or Nolan Smith. Because they also got no juice at pass rusher right now. All due respect to Gator Gray, John Grenard. John Grenard, baby.

Yeah. Who I like. Five and a half sacks. I like John Grenard. But. Or would they pick Jackson Smith and Jigba? Or would I pick Jackson Smith and Jigba? Pair him back with CJ Stroud.

Let's do it, folks. Oh, yeah. That's a great. I forgot about that. That's sick. That's sick. I was thinking Quinn Johnston until then. I was like, all right.

Yeah, I know. You know, I thought of it late to CJ Stroud because this will up the confidence a little bit. Then he's got the security blanket right there. We're talking 1900 yards in his first season. Pay attention, Ben, for the prop bets going into the year. 1900. You heard me. You heard me.

He's going to Calvin Johnson as a rookie. We're going to forget Calvin Johnson's name after this next season, Ben. Make a who? Ben's face. Oh, my God. That was classic. Did you say yards? This is like the metric system.

Is this kilometers? When he said it, my head head went this guy can't add three to numbers there's no way he knows what 1900 means oh that was good i've also done a podcast with ben long enough to know that i'll say shit and he will already be on to the next like thing and he's like i got the jets in 13 i'm depth charts. I'm looking at multi-year summary on SpotTrack, bro. This is podcasting. It's good to be back. That puts you up at number 13.

1900. The New York Jets. I'm on multi-year summary, okay? The Jets have Dwayne Brown in the building, who they gave a massive contract to, and they have void years on it. They have Elijah Vera Tucker who can play tackle on the outside. They have McKay Becton,

who was an early draft pick who looks great. Instagram photos are popping quality of play and health remains a question. They have Max Mitchell who they drafted last year. They're like, they have a lot of guys that tackle, but still question marks because you have aging player early drafted player who's been up and down so far you have tackles been way better at guard not way better but they've been like a all pro pro level talent at guard uh to me this seems like a peter skoransky

team if he makes it down to 13 that like the measurables might be tough for douglas and the arm length might just take skronsky off the board. But for me, I'm looking at a player who could be a really, really high level guard in the same way that Elijah Vera Tucker could be a really high level guard, but has the ability to play outside of tackle, which means if I have to endure again,

what I endured last year, which was inconsistency of the position, carousel of injuries. Well, I have a guy who I know, all right, and camp on, I bring them in,

stick them at left guard. All right. You know, you're, you're, you're you're no you're gonna fight with lincoln tomlinson for this job you're gonna play right guard whatever like i might be trying to play him on the interior but i know if i have to play my tackle he was a really really good college tackle so a little bit a little bit doesn't fully solve the problem it just kind of introduces a new option to it and you really have to trust your offensive coaching staff to handle it but the versatility of skronsky i think is really valuable in a team where right now there's a lot of like we think he will be this we think dwayne brown's gonna be good for the next couple years we think

max mitchell could be a starter for us but there's not a lot of certainty so uh skronsky right tackle i think is probably where i want to start i'm very tempted to take darnell right and just plug and chug it right tackle but i feel like there's enough uncertainty that Skowronski is a safer pick yeah Skowronski's just got such a high floor and such a good player such a good player yeah and look that you know the Jets already the Jets already have that versatility with Elijah Vera Tucker right I mean as you're kind of going through the offensive line there like he's somebody who has guard tackle versatility to him and if you get another player who has that guard tackle versatility like let's say worst case scenario that's exactly offensive tackle options are gone then all of a sudden you just kick both of those guys out to tackle you can replace them on the interior a lot easier

than you can replace them um on the outside so i i like that strategy a lot i think that's a really great pick dk you're up at uh at 14 with the patriots. Hmm. Picking for the Patriots is always just a conundrum. It is indeed. It is indeed. I think they could still use a tackle, get a little bit old on the offensive line there. Obviously they could use a receiver. I don't know if, you know,

I want to go down that route with them just because they consistently suck at picking receivers. Yeah, but you're in control now. That's true. That's true. You're cashing chips. You know who the good receivers are. Do you?

Oh, yeah. I know. I for sure know. I probably would have picked Skowronski if he was still there, but he got sniped again. Yeah, he got sniped again and sniped got john wick all right i'm gonna finally i'm gonna give them i'm gonna give them a receiver here just because i think going into the season

davante parker kendrick bourne they got last year's second round of tech one thornton juju smith schuster i think they need a little bit of help at that spot in particular. I think it's going to help Mac Jones. If I'm the coach there, I want to get more help for Mac Jones. And I'm going to go Zay Flowers at this spot. Boston College doesn't have to go very far. I don't know for sure. Moving costs.

This is Belichick. Look, we brought that up on last week's podcast. The moving costs, very small. Really? You hire like the two college hunks moving or whatever the company's called. You throw it all in the back of a truck. Get them on down here. But I like this.

He gives them a little juice. I think he can play both inside and on the outside. He played primarily on the outside. He plays bigger than he is. I don't know. I just want to get help from Mac Jones. If this offense is going to get back on track, we're going to see Mac Jones be anything close to what he looked like

as a rookie, like the promising upward trajectory that he showed back then. I think that makes a lot of sense. So that's what I'm going to go with here. Just get him another playmaker that he can throw the football to. I love the Zay Jones fit with Bill O'Brien. And I love his fit with the Patriots as well. Zay Flowers. Leaving the Jaguars.

Zay Flowers in that Patriots system. I really do think that we're talking about at least 1,950 receiving guards from Zay Flowers. I will not react. Don't react to bullies. It's what they want. That puts me up with the Packers at number 15. All right.

I'm assuming Aaron Rogers gone. That's a good option. Yeah. Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs. that's a good option yeah christian watson romeo dubs dubs dubs depending on you know which whether you're in the eastern hemisphere western hemisphere dubs or dubs marceavius lewis is the only tight end uh excuse you josiah deguara is there just like bearcats see a tight end or like a like an h back you know wait mercedes lewis is gone isn't he oh right he's not even falling back it's just josiah deguara him and tyler davis hanging out oh man this is why uh fans are so pissed at mock drafters for putting a tight end at that spot every single mock draft for the packers yeah it's just not i don't really know i don't know

where else they'd go yeah well is there a georgia defender that they can pick here either ringo i don't know i guess nolan oh yeah nolan's here that actually makes a lot of sense oh nolan kind of does make sense because i mean is pressing 30 or 31 he's 30 yeah they like their edges be way bigger though i know if they were gonna pick one it'd be van ness that actually makes a lot of sense that makes a lot of sense it makes a lot of sense i hate it If they were going to pick one, it'd be Van Ness. That actually makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense.

I hate it. I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it. I think Van Ness is getting overvalued in this class. But. Did you guys like Gary? Rashawn Gary coming out? He was a tracy fella.

Yeah, I didn't love him. Obviously, I thought the ceiling was super high, but I didn't know if he'd reach it. He's obviously sick now. He's definitely hitting the ceiling. I think he's kind of got some Van Ness-esque-ness. Van Ness-esque. He's Van Ness-esque. Van Ness-esque.

He's Van Ness-esque. All right, I'm going Darnell Washington. There we go. Damn it. Whoa! That's a really fun one. Big fella. Yeah, we're going Darnell Washington. There we go. Damn it. Whoa! That's a really fun one. Big fella. Yeah, we're going Darnell Washington.

Love Darnell Washington. Listeners to the podcast know my thoughts. Sixth offensive lineman when you get him in line and you're asking him to block, and he is way too athletic to be that big. And obviously with him playing behind Brock Bowers. Look, I don't think it's as much of people saying, if you put Darnell Washington on any other team in the country,

he'd be a thousand yard receiver. I don't think that, like, I don't think that he has that quite, that type of a receiver profile to him. But I do think that he gets utilized more, certainly in an offense where he's not competing with Brock Bowers for tight end targets. So I still think he could be a really useful wide receiver. Certainly, if you're emphasizing a lot of his reps and a lot of his practice,

a lot of his improvement in the red zone, that'll give you enough benefit anyways. We talked about the lack of tight ends on the roster. So Darnell Washington, 15 overall to the Packers. So Ben, you're up with the Washington Commanders. All right, Washington Commanders. Starting left tackle, Charles Leno. Indeed.

31 years old. Starting guard, Andrew Norwell, 31 years old. Starting center, Chase Roulier. I think he's like late 20s, right? He was Josh Allen's center at Wyoming. He's 29. He's still fine. Yeah.

29, right. Andrew Wiley, big contract to play tackle from the Chiefs. Want to guess how old Andrew Wiley is? I just looked. Well, I look it up. It's 28. 28? I would have guessed 27.

I would have guessed older. He'll turn 29. He'll turn 29 before the season starts. Yeah. There you go. All right. This is really tricky because to me, this is such a clear Broderick Jones,

Darnell Wright, and send it Jones, Darnell, right. And send it home. Pick. Oh yeah. I don't want to be trusting Andrew Riley and Nick Gates. Who's their big free agent addition at guard to be like the guys solving the line, but they picked them.

They, they got them in free agency. So I'm not sure that they're going to feel like they need to make this pick along the line. Otherwise they could go. They don't need corner. They don't need wide receiver. They do need corner.

Huh. St. Jude's, Fuller? Yeah, I mean... All right. If anybody needed a nickel, I don't think... I've mocked corners to them in the past. I think Banks is a starter. I love Banks.

Banks is so good. I know he is. I think the low moving costs, if you draft i love banks banks is so good i know no i think the low moving costs if you do that that's true dude low moving this is the low moving cost draft yeah now i think i'm taking i'm taking broderick jones the tackle the tackle from the the uh from georgia here at 16 i think you can play tackle i think you can replace leno at left tackles leno gets older i think complete with compete with wiley for the starting right tackle job, which, again, I understand they gave Wiley that money. I just can't fully get my head around that. And Broderick Jones is not the sort of 6'6", 305-pound build

that only works at tackle. You can probably play him at Garcia as a thicker, squattier guy if you feel like you need to get him on the field while your tackle situation's handled i just think that they can they need to continue to help on the offensive line i don't think they can be committed to leno norwell gates and andrew wiley like that just to me is like a terrifying like sam cosme like it's just such a scary worrisome group in terms of the fragility of it all so i'm taking project drones i'm saying the trenches i'm being safe all right there we go. Bro. Derek Jones to the Washington at number 16. DK,

you're up with Steelers at 17. All right. So my first thought, my, my mind goes to tackle here just to try and help out. Yeah. Can you pick it a little bit? Steelers fans tell me that the motto this offseason is build the picket fence

to improve the offensive line in front of them I like that I can dig it I can dig it there's a number of tackles still available DeJuan Jones is out there he kind of feels Steelery just because he's a massive massive fella I'm going to go with Darnell Wright from Tennessee. Yes! Who I think just fits the personality of the Steelers. He's kind of a brawler, kind of a bruiser. Really good. Really, really good in the run game.

I think that will help them a lot. And he could be a plug-and-play Wright tackle for them. So I'm going with Darnell Wright. All right, that puts me up with the lions at 18 i had the lions at six i gave them jalen carter good day in the office man right could this be where bijan goes bajan no because they spent all that money on david montgomery oh yeah that's true i forgot about that so they got montgomery they have deandre swift i mean sure they could pick bijan i don't think they will and i'm not making that pick here lions fans get super mad at me when i draft a

tight end for them because they're burned from the uh tj hockinson handling i think i'm going to go. I think I'm going to go Quentin Johnson because that would then give them a wide receiver trio of Jameson Williams. I'm on Ross St. Brown, Quentin Johnson with Josh Reynolds and Marvin Jones jr. Behind him. Yeah. Again,

again, the big receiver, get a big receiver. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. So if look, lions fans, I know you're mad

at me last week but now i come back to you with jalen carter and quinn johnson if that doesn't make you happy i don't know what will then you're up with the bucks at 19 don't blow it who do you want uh anthony richardson sucks to suck chief what do you want uh did no one smith get picked yet no he didn't god he's such a no so it's either nolan or anton harrison honestly both the tight end both the tight ends are there you don't want 10 i was thinking mayor if if they if they picked Michael Mayer over Anton Harrison, I'd be legitimately mad. There's no... Who plays left tackle for this team right now?

Great question. No one. Are they not moving worse? Are they not moving worse? Yeah, but the thing is that if they move worse, then who plays right tackle? It's Nick Leverett. Yeah, but if they move worse, then who plays right tackle? Nick Leverett.

Nick Leverett is technically, yeah, yeah, yeah. You made that name up. Who is the kid from JMU? Stinney. Aaron Stinney. Yeah, Aaron Stinney. Yeah, he is also a professional football player. He is.

Never heard of him. I don't think either of those guys can start a left tackle. Who is available on my tackle board? It's Anton Harrison. That's pretty much it right uh do one do one do one i see he has no experience at the left tackle spot though right no but here's the thing interesting worse is good enough to play left tackle and they're also they have come out like jason light has come out and said we have talked about moving worsefs to left before. So it's not a massive out of the question thing, even though he hasn't done it before.

I kind of like Wirfs at left and DeJuan Jones at right. Here's why. I'm taking DeJuan Jones, and I'll tell you why. Because Jones needs a year, and the Bucs need a year. And so we got a good situation here. The whole goal in Tampa is going to be yeah like get into 2024 season with some money with some picks like i was thinking about like offering trade backs if anyone trade backs uh and with some young guys developing up and dewan jones is that

dude who like i really like jones when i first watched him because like the traits are really really really high end like this is like a 90th, 95th percentile guy. But the more I watched him, the more I was like, ah. He's got to figure out how to play his frame a little bit more. He probably has to settle on a play with a little bit lighter, to be honest. And that is something that takes time. And so I like DeJuan Jones to the Bucs because I like the Bucs as a team to spend the year recouping and recuperating from the Brady the brady era and i think jones would

really benefit from that just taking the taking a gap year going australia yeah you know doing some traveling just hang just hanging out in france rejuvenating sit on the steps of the soccer cur you know no dude mayfield what are you talking about oh yeah my if kyle trask starts in week one i have to wear all denim wait what is this a you and steven bet now it's me and shield that i'm making a lot of bets on podcast i know you do you gotta make a list let's let's keep this list public you're wearing you're gonna wear a canadian tuxedo yeah i don't own any jeans because i hate denim and so i told shield if kyle trask starts in week one then i'll wear all denim so you're gonna be anyway big baker mayfield fan you're gonna you're gonna be fine uh danny i did not do the math

quickly enough to realize that you picked twice for the seahawks this is incredible incredible series of events yes i have to pick a litter here. There's so many guys that I really want for the Seahawks. Oh, I know who I'd be taking here for sure. And you got Will Anderson in hand because you picked him at five. Never mind. I was going to say Nolan Smith. I forgot that he was the Seahawks pick. That's good podcasting.

I honestly wouldn't put it past the Seahawks to take two edges right here. They'd basically just be saying F you don't know the mckay right or no boy boy mafe they took mafe not a big guy yeah and he he like he didn't really place a long distance phone call to say f you don't want to be katie they just they just pick up the phone tell him f you and then hang up the phone this is like put honor on the phone the one that got the one that got away that he's like they're like like junk dialing him. Cause they, you know, honestly, like I almost accidentally did that Ben and took Nolan Smith after I took Will Anderson.

I still think it's like actually reasonable that they would do that. Yeah. I don't know. Here's, here's the deal. Here's, here's why I think it would be fine. The Seahawks, the year that they won the Superbowl back in 2013, they had like an incredible rotation on the defensive line. They, they went out and signed Cliff Averill.

They got Michael Bennett. They had a couple other guys that they like rotate in and out. And having that depth and that like pass rush potential is so crucial. Obviously, Ben, you know, from, from Philly,

like it's such a big, important thing. And the Seahawks, more than anything, need to improve on the defensive line. Is it realistic that they'll take two edge players? Maybe not, but I'm taking Nolan Smith. I think he's the perfect Seahawk too, like extremely explosive, like one of the most explosive edge rushers ever. He's a little bit undersized, but that's fine for the Seahawks, I believe.

And just like in terms of character leadership grit want to you know i think he fits that perfectly so it is maybe a little bit weird to take will anderson and olensmith considering they play kind of like a similar role on the defense but i think i think anderson could play like the strong side and be fine um or they could just rotate and be fine like they'll figure out ways to get these two guys on the field. You put Will Anderson inside the tackle, put Uchenna Nwosu on his side, and put Nolan Smith as a weak side rusher, you got a stew going, baby.

It's like the new NASCAR. You are going to give up runs to the interior. Same way, but still. I mean, it'd be sick. It would be sick to see. So Nwosu and Jarrell Taylor, both are in the last years of their contract. I just looked it up.

Yeah. Well, Jarrell Taylor, are in the last years of their contract. I just looked it up. Yeah. Well, Jarrell Taylor, like. Sure, but, I mean, like, he's still a scheduled starter, right? I mean, I can't just totally write it off. I think it's within the realm of possibility, yeah. For everybody watching on YouTube, you can see Ben's reaction to that. I missed it. What's your reaction?

I just made a little stank face and just, nah. Move along. Keep it moving. Alright, that puts me up with the Miami Dolphins. Just kidding. They tried to steal Tom Brady away from Tampa so they don't get a first-round pick. That's what you get. Got him.

That's what you get. Harsh. Got him. The Los Angeles you get. Harsh. Got him. The Los Angeles Chargers have been number 21. This is very often a Zay Flowers spot. Zay Flowers is off the board. This is also a potential Quentin Johnson spot. Quentin Johnson off the board. I don't mind Van ness here now i know i'll be taken because he gets to sit behind uh because he gets to sit behind bosa joey and yeah cologne mac i also don't hate miles

murphy here i miles murphy getting top 10 hype top five hype was way too much but now I do think we're swaying in too far in the wrong direction like I do think that Miles Murphy can be good he's just not somebody who you're gonna play right away and you're gonna get a ton of pass rush production but again him sitting behind Bosa and Mac could be nice if JC Jackson can't bounce back they need Corner you know JC's got a major knee injury it wasn't playing that well beforehand i know it's it's it if that's a tough ask i think i'm gonna go banks here no yeah let me let me let me let me check trolling let me let me check the depth chart who trolling. Let me check the depth chart. Who were you going to pick up for the Ravens? Yeah, Ravens are picking at 22.

They were trying to sign Darius Slay. Marcus Peters' last leg was two years ago. You can't even be charitably cold on his last legs. DeAndre Banks falling to the Ravens is like an insane pick if they get it. I think that's such a good mid-round pairing. The play style makes sense. The temperament makes sense. Not a far drive. Moving pairing. The play style makes sense. The temperament makes sense. Not a far drive.

Moving costs. There we go. It's important. Devastated. Well, I didn't officially pick it. Unless, did you click it on your screen? Because then you can't go back. No, I didn't click it on my screen.

I'm good. I made that mistake when you picked Devon Witherspoon instead of Christian Gonzalez, and then I had to adjust it. I could also pick Dalton Kincaid here, which I wouldn't hate. Yeah, you could and you should.

That's a fun one. Because then he could basically be a receiver for you, right? Also, if you lose Gerald Everett after next year, you're good to go. You're cool. You're chilling. You're big chilling. I still think they'd pick Banks. You can take him.

I have generated a backup plan. Shit, I'd take Banks. Yeah, I'm going to take Banks. It's what you would do, Mark. I'm taking Banks. Good football player. Great football player. I love Banks so much.

I almost took him at 10 for the Eagles instead of Joey Porter Jr. He lasts another 11 picks. It's crazy. One of the best coverage players in this draft. In my eyes. And like well-rounded, great athleticism, beautiful, great, strong profile. I love him to death.

22 Ravens. Again, like I'd be happy with keely ringo here i like cam smith the corner of south carolina i would take him here like there's corners that i think again like me running the team that i would take and like i'd be fine with i just don't think we're gonna see that happen at this stage besides that like they've been floating around wide receivers they have to get a better receiver. Cornell, they have Todd Monk in the building and like now they care about throwing the football again.

And I think when you look at, at that depth chart, Nelson Aguilar, excuse me, we had a depth chart, Nelson Aguilar, Rashad Bateman, Devin Duvernay.

Right now you're just not in a place where I think you have the star power that's, that's necessary. I can see this team being a Jordan-Addison team, and I think that this range is probably where we start to talk about Addison. Honestly, I think they really would like a Zay Flowers, but Zay's already off the board. So to me, for the sake of reinvigorating the offense,

either in the late Lamar era, or because they have a new quarterback coming in, and this receiver room has just been so neglected for a few years i'm happy to to force intake addison i the ravens tend to like really high measurable players not jordan no uh but that's the nature of this receiver class is if you want high measurable players you can wait till round four tiger because anybody you know i'm saying it is not a big class so i think they swallow the pill take the boletnikoff award winner outside of the top 20 damn it such a such a tough one there all right so addison goes off the board at 22 you talking about some different prospects um got me kind of excited because i as we kind of get to the end of the second round or the first

round here as it is a what you would do draft. We saw this last week when we were doing it with Brett and EJ, we get a lot of, we get a lot of players who, this is where we really get to see if you guys are higher on a lot of these other prospects and other people, if you, if you sneak them in here. So Jordan Addison going 22 to the Baltimore Ravens, DK you were up to 23 with the Vikings. I think this is a Miles Murphy spot. Okay.

This is, I think it'd be, to me, it's coming down, it's coming down to Van Ness versus Murphy. Oh, frick. And I like. I clicked it again. I clicked that. I forgot. It's all right.

As long as, as long as you mentally remember. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, you know, I'm with you guys in terms of Murphy. I think his getoff, his first step is really, really quick, explosive. He has the frame. He has, like, the prototypical frame. He just didn't finish as much.

It kind of just left you wanting a little bit more in terms of, like, his full pass rush package. But I think he's got the potential to really develop. And to me, he just feels like this is a good spot to draft a player like him in the later part of the first round um develop him he's gonna be a good part of that rotation you know i think with that front office edge premium position it makes a lot of sense yeah um so yeah i'm going with miles murphy i think van ness could be an option here too but yeah i would i would say that i'd say like bigger defensive linemen i think could definitely be on the board for them because i don't think that miles murphy is going to play nose for you but i think miles murphy is big enough

in their three four to be able to play either defensive end spot and then i also think that you can use him as a stand-up linebacker every now and then if you're really trying to switch things up i know they still have zedarius they obviously have daniel hunter they signed marcus davenport but again like if you throw a miles murphy into this group this is a this is all of a sudden a really nice and deep rotation that they have amongst a lot of different spots so ton of versatility there with miles murphy and like you said this would be an environment where you don't have to rely on him to be like a major pass rusher for you in year one and you can kind of figure it out as you get some contract flexibility so uh that puts me up with the jacksonville jags at number 24

this one's extremely easy for me brian branch one of my favorite football players in this class and they need an upgraded nickel corner so Brian Branch I mean the Andrew Wingard Rashad Rayshawn Jenkins safety room not doing it for you this is Andre Cisco

slander and I won't stand for it Andre that is true i i urban mired i'm sorry uh so but yeah i i think that brian branch he's a he's a team oh yeah who who who's this i think i think i think it i think he took snaps today he took more snaps in this game cisco is he a dry is he a college kid what are you talking about oh he's on our team i don't know that guy urban asked the reporter well how do you look you tell me i'm gonna take brian branch here you do everything for you you can play a little bit of safety he's primarily going to be a nickel defender but he's uh so smart so savvy one of the most reliable

tacklers that we have um in this defensive back group i mean i think the guy missed three tackles in like three years that we have in our in our database so pretty wild anyways brian branch he's a perfect pick here number 24 you don't get many players that as dk said at number five with will anderson and the seahawks that you could run it in like sprint it in you don't get that many opportunities at number 24 in the draft and if brian branch is still there i feel like that's exactly what the jags are gonna do so uh ben you are now up with the new york football giants as we are in go get your guys territory i am thrilled by this opportunity to go get my guy drew sanders linebacker at Arkansas. I love this kid.

This linebacker class is dreadful. I am out on most of the guys that people are like fairly in on. But the one to me, the one saving grace is Drew Sanders. Is Jack Campbell a racer? I don't get the Campbell hype at all. Oh, come on, brother. Iowa? Campbell? The on, brother. Iowa. Campbell,

the bad tackler, Iowa. Good explosive drills. Iowa, Iowa. Yep. When football happens, when,

when they change football to be played exclusively in a three yard by three yard box, Jack Campbell is going to be the next Brian or lacquer until then. The thing about Drew Sanders, those six though six three 240 and can fly he's he's an x edge at alabama he's got legit pass rush ability and put him on the giants obviously they gave the big contract to bobby okereke but this was a really really rough linebacker room last year uh sanders's size is going to be really beneficial to them because they tried to get size in the building last year and struggled in that regard and his speed is going to be really beneficial to them because they try to get size in the building last year and struggled in that regard on his speed is

going to be really beneficial. And they're gonna be able to play him on the outside, put him in blitz positions, right? Where he can pretend to be aggressive, right? This is a Don Martindale defense, right?

This is a defensive that wants to be able to put guys on the line as if they're going to blitz and then drop them. That's Sanders best role in the NFL is to stand is to play, you know, play the Michael Parsons role at first and 10. Okay. Middle linebacker. But once they're getting a pass down, stand up the edge rush a lot of the time be successful drop in

coverage a lot of the time be successful uh to me it's a perfect fit a position i need i love sanders for the giants don't don't call him don don't call him don martindale don wink martindale thank you top one experience experience of Indianapolis this year was seeing all the other coaches wearing street clothes and then Don Wink Martindale walking around with Giants ball caps and sunglasses looking exactly like he does on an NFL sideline on any given Sunday.

You saw him, you're going to coach him. Who is that? Is that Dennis Allen? Is that what Dave Ziegler looks like? With Don Wink Martindale, no question. That is Don Wink Martindale. And he is identifying himself for me, and I appreciate that. Nothing beats free, baby.

Free clothes that he gets for coaching. If they ask him, hey, what's your favorite part of coaching? Oh, free hoodies. Free cutoffs. All right, DK, you're up next. You're up with Dallas Cowboys at 26. This is a tough one. There's a couple of players I like here for the Cowboys.

Um, and there's a couple of tight ends. I like for the Cowboys. I'm going with the tight end here. Okay. All right. It's between Kincaid and Michael Mayer. And I'm going with Kincaid.

And here's why. Okay. If you go look at the last three seasons, Dalton Schultz targets 89, 104, 89. If you give Dalton Kincaid 95 targets, he's going over 1,900 yards. I'm telling you. Easy, easy. The most common yard metric ever used. 100%, brother.

But more seriously, he is dalton schultz but like with a just actually good i don't know sorry that's sorry for the dalton you're trading out a schultz for a kincaid you're just right at the dalton position you're getting better yeah he to me he's just like so much so so much more dynamic um at the catch point after the catch he can pick up yards at I think if I was, I think if it was down to the actual decision makers for the Cowboys, it probably would pick mayor just because they want to like run the rock and everything.

But if I'm picking the picking for them, I'm going with Dalton K because he is just so dynamic up the seam in the red zone yards after the catch. He's so smooth. He's one of my favorite players in this draft. I think you have to have the right plan for him, yards after the catch. He's so smooth. He's one of my favorite players in this draft. I think you have to have the right plan for him, but with the way that Dak Prescott loves to target

the tight end position, I think this is the perfect fit for him. Donald Kincaid. Bills are up 27. I don't know, dude. Don't take him. This is the third pick in a row in which the guy that i want to take it to at the next pick would make sense for your team don't touch him who bjorn i'm not telling you okay well i'm not going to draft bjorn because every every time i draft bjorn bills fans are you've never heard of Damian Harris? They're like, no, James Cook's wearing number four this year. I'm like, oh, okay,

good, true. That's true. I would like to draft them an offensive tackle, and I'm not going to lie. Normally when we get to this point, DeJuan Jones or Darnell Wright are on the board. Neither of them are here. Anton Harrison, because I would like to upgrade Spencer Brown's spot at right tackle

anton harrison's still here who i like anton harrison but anton harrison has exclusively played left tackle for oklahoma he's got a lot of experience there i don't know what transition is like for him going to right tackle i don't think anybody does i don't think they're going to draft at a corner. They have Elam. Benford played well last year. Not going to draft a linebacker. No, they lost Edmonds.

They got so many guys in the defensive line they've already invested in. I know. This team is good. This is a good football team. Wow. Sounds like they should make an afc championship game receiver that's what i was thinking i mean yeah but if i'm gonna pick a receiver it's probably gonna be downs right and i i like josh downs i also like kalusha here like i think kalusha care could be good think about it hi hi believer no i'm not i'm i'm not i'm not i mean same it is kind of tough yeah some some of the receivers are just off the board at this point you probably won't wait until the second round yeah let's let's let's talk like

let's let's go do like just like straight best player available straight best player available. B. John. Elijah Cansey. Well, okay, B. John. But I'm talking about, like, I'm looking at the PFF board right now. Elijah Cansey, defensive tackle out of Pittsburgh. Brian Brisset, defensive tackle out of Clemson. This team struggled on the interior last year, right? Like, Ed Oliver is a fine player, but I don't really think it's what he wanted. What you wanted was the top 10 pick.

And then Daquan Jones looks like a fine player. But, like, they don't have the fullness of depth of defensive tackle I think they'd like to have. So that's where where my eyes went and then my eyes also went to wide receiver where I think that they they really believed in their homegrown guys right Isaiah McKenzie uh Gabriel Davis right like these guys that we drafted and and we feel good about our young guys and they just didn't get the return on investment they were hoping so I said adding to the room wouldn't surprise me those were are the two spots I went. Yeah. See, I don't think...

In my opinion, if you draft Kalai Jekansi, he can only play the reps that you were going to give Ed Oliver. He can't play against Ed. I agree. Right, right. So there's no compliment there. You are simply saying we're trying to move on from Ed Oliver at that point. And I don't think they're there. And I don't think I'd be there, if I'm going to be honest.

Even though I like Cancy. What about, do we think anybody would trade up into the back part of the first round who might want Bijan? That's an interesting idea. Or a left tackle? Do we have the Steelers taking a tackle? We did. Okay, they took Darnold, right? The Seahawks are sitting there at 37. They could be a team that would trade

into the first round for B. John Robinson. You think? The Bengals are offering a trade from 28 to 27. There we go there we go you may move back one pitch maybe hold on i'm looking at the second round here he's like you're tricking me does carolina does carolina go all the fn? All the way the F in? They gave a four-year deal to Miles Sanders.

Oh, yeah, they did. I forgot. I forgot they gave the deal to Sanders. They gave him a lot of money. Arizona wouldn't do it. Just man up and take Brian Brisey so I can take B. John Robinson to the Bengals. All right. I think I'm going to take – how do you guys feel about Osiris Torrance? That's where my head is.

That was actually going to be a guy throughout there. You get beef. I like that. I like that. Robinson to the Bengals. How do you guys feel about Osiris Torrance? That's where my head is. That was actually going to be a guy throughout there. You get beefed. Actually, wait. Now we're cooking with gas here. I'm going with Torrance at 27. I think that's a great pick. You're getting beefier up the middle. Allows you to run power a little bit more.

Dude's an absolute earth mover. If you want to start stealing what the Eagles are doing, not stealing what the Eagles are doing. If you want to start running a lot more Q doing not stealing what the Eagles are doing if you want to start like you know running a lot more QB power a lot more QB sneaks that's a massive man to be able to follow along that line so I'll just go Cyrus Torrance here pick 28 for the Cincinnati Bengals

so a little shroud of mystery who could Ben be taking listen I'll tell you right now I don't think Bijan's making it out of like the 10s let alone to 28. And I think if he were in the tens, I think teams would be calling to try to trade up to go get him. Like I understand how we all feel about running back value,

but this kid's incredible. He's awesome. The Bengals have a frustrated Joe Mixon, but like Joe Mixon, who didn't necessarily have the season they were hoping and Smoshy appeared and had some nice moments. And Joe Mixon's got a big figure coming up in 2023, and there were talks that maybe they could cut him,

but then lo and behold, Piran signs away with the Broncos. And now when you look at the cap situation for Cincinnati, I mean, they have Joe Mixon, who's got one year left on his deal, 2023, and then his fifth-year option for 2024, which is $13 million. They have Travion williams one year's one year off on his deal and chris evans two years off on his deal they have very little talent at running back and mixon was not good down the stretch last year this team just brought orlando brown into the building after improving the offensive line a lot

and save their offense during the 2022 season by improving their running game i i can say with great certainty heartbreaking to fantasy owners heartbreaking to nerds i can say with great certainty that the bangles understand that to get over the hump they have to get better at running the football not that they're going to become a 60 early down run team just that they know it's what they have to do this team will absolutely 100 unequivocally go and get bijan robinson if he's falling and now here's what he has to get to take him i've no doubt in my mind they would make this pick. I have no doubt in my mind that I actually make this pick. It is a huge, massive, tectonic addition to a team that is trying to get over the Chiefs hump in the AFC.

B. John Robinson could legitimately be the difference in a championship game against the Chiefs. It's not like the Bengals have had issues being the Chiefs. I get that. I'm saying it's a very competitive division and they're adding a star talent on the offense. This would be one of my favorite picks in the first round. You know, I think everybody says the same thing.

They believe B. John Robbins is getting picked in the top 15. At the very least, the top 20. But nobody knows where. You know? Like, nobody knows exactly where it's going to be. They just believe that somebody's going to pull the trigger on him because he is that talented. And I would agree. I'm one of those people that says that. But here we are. Mock draft exercises, whether it's a what we think is going to happen,

mock draft or what we would do, mock draft. And Bijan always seems to make it to the 20s. Maybe that's just because we're programmed to think that at this point. But the dude's unbelievably talented no matter what. So B. John going off the board with the Cincinnati Bengals at 28. I think certainly it makes them objectively a better football team. DK, you're up now at 29 with the New Orleans Saints. All right. Excuse me.

I'm going to go. There's two guys I got in my mind here. The Saints' last handful of their defensive alignment they like big fellas on the defensive line they like big pass rushers they do generally speaking so keon white and lucas van ness are both sitting here yeah those make a lot of sense yeah oh man damn keon white feels like a saint so i know doesn't he they both do honestly um i'm gonna go i'm gonna go with keon white okay i don't know i don't know why i just feel like what you exactly what you just said he just feels like a saint to me he does um big strong twitchy

you know what i mean like i think this makes a ton of sense for them they need to you know restock the shelves at the defensive line. Just makes a lot of sense. I do like Lucas Van Ness for them right there too, but for whatever reason, I think I leaned Keon White. Eagles are up at 30. This is me now. Ben took George Jr. for them at 10.

Ben, glad you can't see staring me in the face would they ever pick him no too small get bigger kid get away room son um can't do much about those long short arms either like can you stretch them yeah i would i would say at this point, like, do you think the tackle makes sense? And if they took, they're willing to swing on undersized guys if they have ludicrous production. See Pumphrey, Donnell, Avante Maddox, who came out of Pittsburgh, right? Like, guys who are really, really good on the box score, they'll take the risk.

It's usually not round one. But, like, I don't think they take cancey i'd be surprised but at this stage i i wouldn't say it's impossible now can't see seven sacks in 2021 seven and a half of 2022 13 and a half tackles for a loss 2021 14 and a half in 2022 yeah good pressure numbers yeah i'm taking on i'm taking yeah i mean like i would guess that here like can see brian brucey and then mozzie smith out of michigan like they'd be looking at the defensive tackle group here at 30 and liking what they see so it could be can't see could be a different name, but the position makes sense. What about Adetomu Adobore? I mean, like the Eagles... As a three-tech?

Correct, yeah. Yeah. So the Eagles like athletes, but they're not like athlete-pilled, right? Their guy actually has to do something on the field once or twice for them to be like, okay, cool. And I just... I don't see the film on him that, like,

for me, it gets me over the moon. I don't think he's going to be a first-round player. The other thing that, like, makes the Kansi pick tricky, to me, it gets me over the moon. I don't think he's going to be a first round player. The other thing it like makes the cancer picture key, but it's the same thing with edible. All right. Is we don't really know what Sean decides going to do with his defensive tackles, but if they're going to run like the Fangio stuff, they need a,

a four eye guy who plays on the inside shoulder of the tackle. And like, that's not really cancer. He's not long. No, it's probably. Yeah, exactly.

And like, they didn't really have that guy probably yeah exactly and like they didn't really have that guy last year so like they could also honestly so they could lucas van nest team and then like play him as an under tackle third play inside the tackle the same way they might without a boire so there's that aspect of it to it there's that aspect to it i'm gonna take cancey it's what we it's what we it's what we it's what we would do mock draft and i love kalygia kancy so i'm gonna take him but i wanted to ask ben about the realism of this because it feels like to me i felt like if the team had this pick they'd be taking lucas van

s he's just big explosive yeah need some development they have the guys already at edge for this year and maybe next year to where like you don't need him to be a massive producer for you but in two three years he could be so yeah i think they're on the table but i'm taking collage you can't see a 30 yeah and like i think the three of us as a consensus here, aren't super high on that mess. Right. Cause like I'm 31 and you have the chiefs who like, they just added Charles and men who, but their defensive end room is, is a man who big, long George Carl office, you know, big, long, easily sized guy, uh, Josh kind of big, long guy. And then like, you know, Frank Clark, Carlos Dunlap,

but these guys are at the door. Like they need to continue adding at edge. I would imagine again, like like if if they're picking they're probably taking lucas vaness i'm taking will mcdonald because i like him better okay i think he's a way better player uh will mcdonald's got length yeah big explosive implies also size like weight like density which our boy william just cannot hold the weight that he would like to he's a 240 pound rusher um but honestly like when he gets to stand up he's a decent run defender and on a room that's got like carlos is in a minute he's gonna play wide a lot so i think that'll be to his benefit i think he can be a frank clarkian sort of rusher in terms of like

winning that outside outside angle right winning with length being that quick guy up the field and creating that that back of the pocket that lets other guys clean up the rush. Like, I think he can fill that role. I like McDonald. I expect McDonald to sneak into the end of the first round. That'd be my guess as we stand here three weeks out. Like I said, don't know anything.

But he has the sort of profile that usually does. And for the Chiefs, defensive end is a rich position, right? We saw Keith on white go. Lucas Van Ness is still on the on the board like the end of the first round is really good for edge and i think that that that's what makes a lot of sense for them all right i'm gonna ask both of you about some players that did not go in this first round that you would shout out that you maybe thought about some guys that you still think have a chance there that you like in the rest of your top 50 but i'll give you some time as i recap this draft between the three of us which is a what we would do mock draft ben started us off taking anthony richardson at number one for

the carolina panthers dk said cj stroud for the texans at number two i took bryce young or sorry ben traded up took bryce young to the uh las vegas raiders at number three will levis went to the colts at four will anderson to the seahawks at five g of carter to the lions at six devon witherspoon to the cardinals at seven christian gonzalez the falcons at eight paris johnson Will Anderson to the Seahawks at five, Jalen Carter to the Lions at six, Devon Witherspoon to the Cardinals at seven, Christian Gonzalez to the Falcons at eight, Paris Johnson Jr. to the Bears at nine, Joey Porter Jr. to the Eagles at ten, Tyree Wilson to the Titans at 11, Jackson Smith and Jigba

to the Texans at 12, Peter Skoronski to the Jets at 13. Gonna have to see what Connor thinks about that, but I'm sure he'll approve. Zay Flowers to the Patriots at 14, Darnell Washington to the Packers at 15, Broderick Jones to the Washington Commanders at 16, Darnell Wright to the patriots at 14 darnell washington the packers at 15 roger jones through the washington commanders at 16 darnell right to the steelers at 17 quentin johnson to the lions at 18 to one jones to the bucks at 19 flipping tristan warps over to left tackle nolan smith double dipping some athletic edge rushers to the seahawks at 20 deontay banks

to the charge at 21 much to ben chigrin jordan addison to the ravens at 22 miles mur Banks to the charge at 21 much to Ben Chigrin Jordan Addison to the Ravens at 22 Miles Murphy to the Vikings 23 Brian Branch the Jags 24 Drew Sanders new name to the first round which we haven't said too much to go into the Giants 25 Dalton Kincaid to the Cowboys at 26 Osiris Torrance after a long discussion to the

Bills at number 27 Bijan Robinson hopefully putting the Bengals over the top at number 28 White B. John Robinson, hopefully putting the Bengals over the top at number 28. Keon White, who just feels like a New Orleans Saint to the Saints at number 29. Clyde Jekansi to the Eagles at 30. Howie Roseman be damned. And then Will McDonald to the Chiefs at 31. Danny, I'll start with you.

Any players who just didn't make this first round that you think really have a chance to be first-round players or just guys that you really like, that you think deserve to be there? Who are some names? I mean, Michael Mayer from Notre Dame, tight end. He's the first guy that comes to mind. Tight end is such an interesting position. It's a very deep class of team.

You might see a few guys fall just because there's so many good tight ends in this class, and Mayer could be one of them. But to me, he feels like invite him to the green green room or whatever and he'll probably be picked in the first round but he to me is maybe one of the most talented players not uh that didn't get picked in this and then i do like lucas van ness i think is a classic late mid to late first round pick because of the traits um him and him and like lj collier baby miles murphy young he's not like lj collier i love to bring up lj collier to dk just to trigger him lj collier he could dude he couldn't even get on the field he literally couldn't get active on game days just like a lucas venez

couldn't start for the all guys that's a great point um but yes i think lucas venez just traits wise he's probably my first runner right and then brian brezzi from clemson probably going to be a first round pick and i think you know he's he's disruptive enough he can penetrate in the defensive line i think there's a spot for him um on a defensive line rotation right away so yeah those are the three guys that stood out to me ben what about you yeah on like my personal board which i was like peeking at, but kind of whatever, sticking with what you know, Clark Phillips, the corner out of Utah, and Cam Smith, the corner out of South Carolina.

Two people to me that are plug and chug starters. I think they're such good. The film is awesome. There's measurables questions, testing questions with both, but I think that they can play around it. Maybe not going to be elite corner ones in the NFL, but they're starting to caliber players. I wouldn't be surprised to see a late run on corners.

Think the Noah Ibn Aghanany year 2021 2020 whatever year that was uh like we've seen corners go more and more frequently early in the first round and they sneak in the back in round one i think we could see that with guys like phillips and smith uh the other dude i i have josh dallin cecily high on my board i've been right around where i have addison obviously took addison early downs in to make it in it in. I could see that. And then the last guy is Jameer Gibbs, running back out of Alabama. Who like, Bijan makes it to 28.

Ain't no way Jameer Gibbs is going around one. I think Bijan's going a lot earlier. And I think Gibbs has the sort of profile that warrants a late first round investment. So those are the dudes I have ranked quite early that we didn't see go off the board. There we go. Alright folks, let us know what you guys thought of this mock draft. Let us know what you guys thought of this mock draft. Let us know what you thought of our thoughts,

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