NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 166. Collab Mock Draft with Austin Gayle & Mike Renner (Tailgate)

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers continue the Collab Mock Draft Series with the vintage dynamic draft duo of Austin Gayle and Mike Renner, formerly of Tailgate. With it being Mike and Austin's first time really sharing a lot of their thoughts on this year's draft class with one another, we got some great discussions for picks strategies and players in a brand new first round mock draft.

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. In this episode, we're continuing the Colab Mock Draft series by bringing back to life one of everyone's favorite draft podcasts. It is the Tailgate Boys. Mike Renner and Austin Gale are back with us here to team up again for a 2v2

mock draft. You guys know the drill. Odds and evens will split the duos in half and run through a brand new first round mock draft. And to make it more exciting, of course, it is a what we would do mock draft. So that allows you guys to hear some great analysis and discussions from Mike and Austin who are hearing each other's draft takes, a lot of them at least, for the first time. So it's a lot of fun. I'm Trevor Sikama. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikma. That is Connor Rogers.

And there are more than just our faces on the screen right now. And that is because by popular demand, and I really do mean that, the next installment of our collaborative mock draft series involves one of everyone's favorite podcasts, the Tailgate Boys are here. It is Austin Gale. It is Mike Rennerner and we are going back to the 2v2 format austin mike thank you guys so much for joining us man this is this is going

to be a ton of fun i'm super excited for it the people have been clamoring for it and i'm ready to get it going i haven't heard any ag's draft take so i'm ready to i'm excited to see what he thinks about some of these guys the crazy thing about them is they're all bad so it's gonna be a treat to kind of work through this mock draft with you and i'll be uh i'll be playing devil's afghan a lot of that stuff so everybody makes you wonder so we're gonna get ugly over there like that's what i'm hoping yeah you love it you love to see it connor honestly we've been doing these collab mock draft series and half the fun for me more than half the fun honestly the whole fun is just us sitting there listening to other people actually podcast for us yeah yeah we've schemed the entire system

yeah working uh working working smarter not higher oh that's right everybody obviously knows mike renner from his phenomenal work over at pff is the lead draft analyst he's doing all the draft guide stuff and if you're listening to this podcast of course you follow mike's fantastic work and you know there's a great there's a good chance that you also know who Austin Gale is because Austin used to work for PFF, you know, until he had to go and get a cool job with the ringer, you know, go over to the cool kids table, had to leave us, but it's all good. I'm very excited about this pairing coming back together because tailgate was one of

my favorite draft podcasts. And I know it was everybody else's as well from the amount of people that requested this collab mock draft series. So, fellas, just going to present to you the rules. Not that this is your first mock draft, but Connor and I will team up. You guys are going to team up. Connor, I feel like we should give them the odds. I feel like we should allow them to kick it off. And also, Austin's a Raiders fan.

They pick at seven. Mike's a Packers fan. They pick at 15. So I feel like we get a little bit of insight there. Do you agree with that? I do. I've known Austin for a long time. I had no idea he has any affiliation towards the Raiders.

Like my mind is just blown instantly before the podcast. I don't know how I didn't. You keep that in your back pocket very well, Austin. So congrats. I have to keep it in my back pocket. It's been awful for as long as I've been a fan. I had season tickets with my dad for 10 years and we got the

season tickets the year after they went to the Super Bowl. So every year after that Super Bowl, which they've been awful, I've been a diehard. It's been a tough few years. This is perfect then. Absolutely. I agree, i agree trevor it's great strategy it was amazing we went to the bangles raiders game me and ag when there was the playoff game and he transformed like he like hides the raider fandom and then once the game was there he turned into that guy

who was screaming at the opposing fans being like your pussies that sort of stuff these cincinnati fans these cincinnati fans are so bad at trash talk i found that out at that playoff game guys are yelling at me saying the bay area has a higher cost of living and i'm like do you realize a mercedes costs more than a honda for a good reason okay it costs more to live in the bay because cincinnati is fucking dogs i'm like screaming at these guys over cost of living as the raiders get blown up it was uh it was a treat in order to be good at trash talking you have to trash talk at all times whether you're winning whether it's time whether you're losing you've got to be able to dish it out and that's why you know austin it makes sense that you would be a fantastic trash talker because i feel like in all situations you've got something to say.

All right, real quick, before we start the mock draft, I need to hear it because, Mike, you still have a tailgate banner behind you. Austin, you're still wearing a tailgate hat. Number one thing that you miss most about the tailgate podcast, it could literally be anything, a segment, some takes, just like draft season altogether. Austin, I'm going to start with you. What do you miss most about the tailgate podcast?

Being in the same room with mike renner man because with this uh with this gig i moved to la mike and i used to live in the same house go to the same office pod on the same pod it was fucking awesome i i took it for granted it was a lot of fun to just get together and i think what people like most about the pod and i remember i did over a hundred fan interviews where i sat down with people on the zoom who listened to the show over a hundred fan interviews where i sat down with people on the zoom who listened to the show over a hundred for five minutes long and asked them what they liked about it they said just you guys chopping it up and i think that's what i missed most too yeah i was gonna you stole my answer i just miss ag man the energy it's it's different than uh what you just get appearing out of people's podcasts fortunately well you know what that's

what we're here to do we're here to bring to do. We're here to bring the magic back. We're here to bring the duo back and listen to them banter about draft once again. Just so you guys know, full transparency is Connor and I love to do on this podcast. My dog's currently getting a haircut. And at some point in this podcast, I'm going to walk away and the people on YouTube will be able to know. But I'm curious if the people who are only listening on audio will be able to tell. Maybe we be professionals about it maybe i'll f it up we'll see you guys just have to listen and see when that gets into it but let's kick it off here number one overall carolina panthers on the clock and the tailgate boys are going to kick us off here picking for the odds so y'all we can do trades in this pod on this podcast in this mock draft you can do whatever you want and remember

it's a what we would do mock draft. So talk it out who you guys take in number one. I don't know if we can do trades. Cause I don't have a PFF subscription, so I can't do trades. It's a little tough. Number one though. Let's go Bryce young. AG what do you like? It's gotta be Bryce young, right? So I I'm for bryce young i love

bryce young i think that all of the conversation around why you wouldn't pick bryce young or why people are lower on bryce young than it is stroud than it is mp richardson is the height stuff and it's specifically the weight stuff too he will be the smallest height and weight quarterback drafted this high ever like smaller than kyler murray and we all know that. And I think the concerns there, you bring up, you talk to Nick Saban or Nick Saban has said quotes like he never got hurt at Bama. He was literally hurt last year. Like he hurt his shoulder in a couple of games, but he's got hurt.

He's going to take hits. He's going to get hurt. I think that's the worry, but he's the best football player of the big four. I would, if I was in this room, bang the table hard for Anthony Richardson. I like Anthony Richardson a lot. I like the upshot of him, but, bang the table hard for Anthony Richardson. I like Anthony Richardson a lot. I like the upshot of him, but it's hard to pass on Bryce Young.

I think he is the best football player. And for a Panthers team that Scott Fitterer told the head coach and the GM, I want the best of the best. I want, oh, not Scott Fitterer, David Tepper. I want the best of the best. I think Bryce Young is the best of the best in this class. I think it makes sense to take him at one. All right. You guys are going him at one. All right.

You guys are going young at one? All right. Lock it in. So who are we taking at number two, Connor? Now that Bryce is off the board. Last week that wasn't the case because Benjamin Solak took Anthony Richardson at number one. So I don't know what's going on over at the ringer. I don't know if you guys are just like having a powwow with something in the

water or whatever, but he took Anthony Richardson at number one. Yeah, there's a little trend brewing here. is the ringer carrying the torch for anthony richardson to go number one overall maybe i i don't think the ringer is carrying the torch i think i was talking to solak and he was saying he just finished charting all of anthony richardson which he charts all the quarterbacks that are draft eligible or like i think expected to go in the top 100 for the ringer nfl draft guide and he's like after charting him he should go number one like there's enough there there's enough there and there's the he tells me the raw factor of anthony richardson has been overblown i always think it's like overblown by who like draft guru

dot org or like there's not that many people like there's not that many people who talk about this like at a professional level, at the highest end, that are saying Anthony Richardson is just like raw ball clay. I do think that Anthony Richardson is a better passer than people are giving him credit for. Yes, he's inaccurate, but not more inaccurate or grossly more inaccurate than what Will Levis is as a project. I think Anthony Richardson, there is enough there. There's enough there to say, hey, we're going to take him number one overall.

There's no perfect quarterback prospect in this class. I'm willing to swing that bat in the upshot and the upshot of what he could be with the rushing ability all that's up to size most athletic quarterback ever i think it makes sense ruiz likes that as well steve ruiz at the rear the other piece of it too though and i want your guys's feedback on this before we move off the number one overall pick are you guys hearing the same buzz about cj stroud do you think it's a lot that it's going to be cj stroud why do you think the panthers are all in love with with cj stroud or why are the betting odds like minus 370 in favor of stroud going one didn't it didn't the numbers move a little bit

recently very recently i think a couple bigger names to get a lot closer right yeah i think a couple bigger names in the media have started to bring bryce back up again as the number one overall selection yeah um i i don't think it says there's much of a gap as people think. I really don't. I think you go back to logic and think about how many people have Bryce Young as the number one quarterback. And when logic tells you he's the most talented quarterback in this draft right now, when some people with the Panthers organization be thinking the same thing. So I think it's really close. Yeah. Connor and I have talked about this a couple of times here on this podcast when the carolina panthers traded from nine to one it was almost like every other quarterback other than bryce got hype like

all people in the building kind of like levis oh look at richardson's combine oh look at how much josh mccown gushed over cj stroud in a film review right like everybody just started talking about all those things and nobody said anything about bryce young and so i was like okay well the one thing they did say the one thing they did say i think everyone has brought up this stat is that frank reich is only coach tall guys like he likes tall quarterbacks i think that was like how many people pushed as well so exactly that's what i'm saying i think so much of this stuff was just like we were just drumming it up i don't know i don't know how much of it is actually sourced so i think that that's true like you can look at frank reich's tenure and probably say like oh look he's only like coached

tall quarterbacks how many short quarterbacks do we have that are like worth a lot you know what i'm saying so i think that goes into it too it's not like he's he's been picking the quarterbacks that he simply has thought were probably the best i don't think he's ever been put in a situation where a smaller quarterback like b Young is right in front of him. And I don't, I just don't think I agree. Yeah, sure. He takes tall quarterbacks. Everybody takes tall quarterbacks. There's a reason why the percentile is so low for Bryce Young's because most of them are tall anyway. So anyway, all right, Bryce Young, number one, overall off the board. Where are we going with the number two, Connor? What do you think? You getting spicy with Richardson or you still want Stroud?

That's the thing, right? We can go chalk here and take stroud which kind of feels like where logic would take you but i also have no problem hearing an argument for richardson in this offense that needs playmaking ability in the absolute worst way so trevor if we want to go a little different here i'm very open to it because this is not not where it's not a prediction mock this is what we would do and we could have fun with it i i'd love to go richardson let's do it i'd love to go richardson to see what a mock would then be like with cj stroud as the quarterback left on the board and of course you know like if you're the texans you're a team that's i mean let's face it you're picking near the top of the draft for a reason you're pretty much at ground zero with a lot of this offense so go for the massive swing of the bat and let's take anthony

richard number two overall. So y'all are up with Cardinals and I'm curious, there any trade talks here? You look at any different teams. You want to make a pick Mike, what do you think? I definitely wouldn't want to trade this pick from the Arizona Cardinals, right?

Like there's no reason to get three in my eyes. So where though is the problem? Like who wants to come up right here? I got it for you. You're ready for this. Cook, cook, is the problem? Like, who wants to come up? Right here. I got it for you. You ready for this? Cook. Cook. Let him cook, folks.

I'm hitting up the Colts. I'm saying, hey, you guys need a QB. You're in a rough spot. And guess what I have on the phone? I got 30 other teams on the phone ready to trade to this spot. So you guys are going to have to make this move. Call my bluff. Call my bluff.

You know, I can sit and wait out this 10 minutes. I can wait out this 10 minutes. Colts, you're going gonna have to move up one spot shoot me a third rounder shoot me a third rounder to make sure i'm not bluffing to make sure i don't got 30 other teams on the line ready to move up into this spot i think they i think ultimately what's going to happen on draft day is the colts move up one spot right when the clock's ticking to make sure no one else jumps ahead because what i've heard and what i think everyone is saying not even her but what i've read is titans are sniffing around yeah definitely looking to maybe come up maybe grab a quarterback i think other teams could be as well i would be shocked if the cardinals are

picking here at three i think the favorite for me to trade up is the colts i would try and make a move and get it done with the colts the colts are going to be aggressive ballard knows rubber's meeting the road right He almost got fired last year. There is not a lot of patience in Indy right now from Ursa. You can see that from his tweets. He's tweeting out when they cut practice squad players. This guy wants a Super Bowl.

He doesn't want to be tweeting about that stuff anymore. He wants a Super Bowl. I think we try and get a deal done with you guys. Are you interested in trading up? I got 30 other teams on the line. I think so. Again, i think that this is a interesting scenario with stroud being the one who's on the board right because if richardson's on the board maybe it's a little bit different if richardson's still there at number three the falcons at eight the titans at 11 like those are two teams that i could really see maybe even the lions at six the seahawks at five like those are the teams that could look at Richardson and say wow potentials off the charts

you know he could be one of the best quarterbacks that we've ever seen whereas if Stroud's the one who's on the board I actually feel like that makes it more plausible for the Colts to maybe move up a spot and more plausible also for the Raiders who I think then get back into the conversation, whereas I think they've cooled a little bit on trading up, but if Stroud's still available at three, I think all of a sudden they get back involved, and they might be a player here. So if it's Stroud, I do like the Colts as a team to trade up for him. What do you think, Connor?

Think a third gets it done? Yeah, I think that's what you have to do. I'll pitch it to you right now. Yeah, what are you asking? I want 79. Pick 79 to move up one spot. Make sure you get your guy. That was the Wentz acquisition pick.

We get that pick back. We want that pick back. Give me 79 and a fourth next year. You want a fourth from us next year? Correct. No, no, no, no, no. i'm saying the colts are sorry we're like we would give up i guess i i was just i was just negotiating for the cardinals i'm thinking that the cardinals are probably also going to get a fourth round picks thrown in there so i actually did that the wrong way sorry yeah don't give them more trouble

that's a selected last week i was like i wasn't gonna give solak a lot and then he was like or i wasn't gonna ask a ton from him and then he was like all right fine take a first next year and i was like what okay sure great so the pick swap is 79 yep all right yeah let's do it so that means we're on the clock still because the team that does the trade yep on the clock and obviously it's for CJ Stroud, no secret there. And you feel good about that if you're the Colts, that you didn't give up a significant asset and you walk out of the draft with Stroud.

Yep. All right, three quarterbacks off the board, Bryce, Anthony Richardson, and then CJ Stroud, which- And Arizona's great for them. They get the first non-quarterback of the draft still. Yeah, yeah. You guys got back-to-back now. You're still controlling the cardinals and then you control the seahawks at five i think we're leaning here do we go ahead so i i think jalen carter and his whole pre-draft

process is enough for me to flip and go will anderson in this scenario you know i if i'm the arizona cardinals i don't need with Steve Keim and his – and Michael Bidwell and the whole – everything that's going on around the franchise right now, you are not in a position to be drafting, in my opinion, a guy like Keon Carter, even if you have a high retail on him. So I think Will Anderson. I'm for Will Anderson.

I went back and watched Will Anderson, and I think something that i am pretty confident in is i think he's gonna get a lot better in the nfl i i think there's room for him to get a lot better in terms of more pass rushing opportunities better secondary i don't think what's been discussed enough about some of these key players coming out of alabama that this is one of the worst bama rosters we've seen in a while like Like there's not a single receiver for this Bama team going to the draft. Everyone was talking about Bryce Young, right? Like with the defense and secondary, I know they have Brian Branch.

Yeah, they had some good, you know, good quarterbacks. None of these like big top guys like we've had in the past with Patrick Sertan. I think Will Anderson is going to be a better player in the pros. And I'm excited to see what that is. Let's take, let's take Will here. All right. You guys are going Anderson for the Arizona Cardinals and then seahawks at five i think jaylen carter's too good to pass up then at that point like yeah the tyree wilson

versus carter debate i think carter significantly better in my eyes i i like jaylen carter here it's what i would do just to add to the fodder um Is there any consideration with all the selfies, the Seattle Seahawks front office have been taking with these quarterbacks to, to think quarterback here, if Levis is on the board or say Anthony Richardson gets to this point, they have this Gino Smith contract in a place where they could get out of it in a year. Are you, where's your guys' head there? Do you think Seattle makes us makes a decision like that and takes the

quarterback to sit behind Gino for a year, a year plus. Mike, what do you think? I think Gino's already a top three QB in the NFC, right? I mean, maybe you could swing a little hotter and higher and go for a guy like Levis would be that to maybe get you to a rookie deal with him when it's year two, year three of Gino, where it escalates to like $30 million cap hits. And you're hoping that at that point you can make that transition and you have

a complete roster around him to, to compete for a title. But I think you're close enough with Gino that like you can win. If you hit on say a Jalen Carter here, he turns into a dude right off the rip. All of a sudden your defense, you can turn it around in two drafts and you are, you're like favorites in the West at that point. So I, I think you're close enough that I would not probably swing it. If you'd be. All right, let's go Carter.

All right. So we're going Carter. We're going Carter here at five Williamson and then Jalen Carter. Boom, boom. Back to back. Connor that puts us up with the Detroit lions. Often in a spot that we think about Carter Carter now off the board, maybe quarterback, but corner feels like the strong one.

Do you agree? I do. This is what we're doing. And for me, for the Lions, I know they signed a couple of corners in free agency. We've talked about how they're not hamstrung by the Mosley deal at all. It's kind of a bounce back flyer deal. Right.

I still take Devin Witherspoon in the spot if I'm them. I think he gives them a little bark on the back end that they've been missing um and I think he gives them a long-term corner that's number one corner that's sticky that can play inside outside they can just do everything for you so for the Lions that that's where I would go in this spot I think I think I agree with you uh man putting Devon Witherspoon in this cornerback group all of of a sudden, the potential, like the upside of all the guys that they have with Sutton, with Mosley, with Jeff Okuda is obviously still there as well. Then you throw Devon Witherspoon in it. Like if all of those guys, I know it's a giant if, if all of those guys stay healthy and achieve their ceilings, this is like one of my favorite corner rooms in the league all of a sudden if this actually hits. So I think that getting Devon Witherspoon in there to be an insurance policy and just a damn good future starter

for them inside or out, I like this. I don't think there's anybody else that's really tempting me here. I'm sure some people will wonder about Tyree Wilson, but I just don't have him valued the way I do. I don't either. The two corners at the top in Gonzalez and Witherspoon. No, I don't either. You're not taking Branch and gonzalez and witherspoon no i don't either you're not taking branch this high anymore the only other one that i would debate is levis

and i i don't i wouldn't i wouldn't i probably wouldn't be taking levis over no goff's fine in that offense all right with a spoon at six you're up at seven what i will say about that lion's pick and even the seattle pick at five i do think that those two spots will be trade-up opportunities. Because I do imagine if there's going to be a quarterback that gets to this spot, to seven, where the Raiders will, I think, pull the trigger if they like the guy that's there, whether it's Richardson, whether it's Levis. I think Bryce and Stroud are both gone by this point.

If there's a quarterback here at seven, I think McDaniels is going to swing that bat. I think Ziegler is going to go get one of these guys because it extends the leash right they continue to have excuses to get another season with mark davis the cash trap owner of the las pegas raiders to just say hey jimmy garoppolo didn't pan out this year just like the decision we made last year bring in davante adams didn't pan out give us another year will levis will be the guy and like they just keep kicking this can down the road about being competitive and never getting there. That's why I do think Detroit could be this spot where people are trading

back or looking like a Tennessee is looking to come up or, you know, another team that's trying to get in the quarterback market. Maybe Washington looks to come up or whoever it is, unless they're committed to Sam Howell. At seven, Mike, are you thinking Levis here or you think you're moving away from it? I like Levis here. I truly think, you know what jimmy g is you know he's not like it's he's not taking you to the promised land especially in that division so you can build around him all you want it's not going to matter so i that's why i think you're taking a swing when you're but you're

also too good with him to realistically be in next year's class or the year after that, you keep kicking the can with him. So I think it's, I think this is the time, you know, this is where you take it. Awesome. This is a dream scenario, dream scenario for Las Vegas. If it's the guy that they like, right. It's, it's Richardson or Levis here. If he gets the seven, they don't have to trade up. It's why they got Jimmy Garoppolo.

So they didn't have this pressure to go trade up. If one of these guys falls, they're going to pull the trigger. And I do like it for the value. I think Levis is a good quarterback prospect guy that you can build around. I have an anecdote on him. I was talking to Chris Rodriguez, his, his running back there at Kentucky who'd been there since he transferred. He said on the first practice that he ever met him, he said,

can you shag balls for me? And he asked Rodriguez to go down to the goal line. Will Levis got on his knees at the 50 and was trying to hit the post and he hit it three times in a row bang banging from the 50 off his knees and he's like this guy's fucking good that's some dude perfect stuff yeah he's kind of got a dude perfect vibe i think his floor is perfect he could be on that youtube channel for sure the uh what i'm saying is like the first the quote from c-rod was we're gonna win some games this year and obviously they did that first year that he was there at kentucky so let's take will levis let's take uh dude perfect at seven yeah a little good nickname man jesus it'll stick for a

long time he's a content machine i think the dude perfect can't work he's eating bananas upside down he's got mayo i mean next thing you know he's gonna be doing some frisbee shit i can see as hell he's the most jacked quarterback prospect i've ever seen yeah he's gonna be doing he's gonna be doing the insane trick shots across the whole like facility that they have built i don't know it feels like somewhere in texas i don't know it's got like a texas vibe to it so I feel like that's it. All right. So Mr. Dude Perfect going to the Las Vegas Raiders at number seven.

Connor, we're on the board at number eight. I feel like we can go. I feel like we can go a lot of different directions with this one. Obviously, corner is still a strong one. But, you know, I've seen guys like Lucas Van Ness and Tyree Wilson been picked here. Do we think that this is now a spot for Wilson or where are you leaning with this one? I'm very comfortable taking Tyree Wilson here,

but I love Christian Gonzalez and have no problem making corner and extra strength. So it's, I know you're lower on Tyree Wilson, so that would probably lean us towards Gonzalez if that's the way you want to go. So, and you know,

just looking at my rankings, it's hard to really break it down that different when I have Gonzalez is the sixth best player in this draft and Tyree is the 10th. So, okay. And they're both neat. They're both needs. I, I'm going to have Gonzalez, I think a lot higher than I'm going to have Tyree Wilson. Yeah. That's the vibe I got.

So, and honestly, I think this is very much in play for the Falcons on draft night. I agree. I would throw Nolan Smith's name in there as like in play uh certainly to be the selection at number eight i think that nolan smith's range actually starts right here i think it starts at number eight and it could go all the way down into the yeah that's what i would do right where the top 20 is but i i think that this is a realistic spot for where things start for him i think the falcons would legitimately consider it given how insanely athletic he tested given the fact that he's from georgia um it's it's a major position in need so if they don't mind him being a little bit smaller and they think that he's got

crazy pass rush potential as a speed rusher i could see that being on the table but ultimately uh we'll go a little bit chalk with with what you and i have done in the past and i'll say christian gonzalez because it is what we would do, cause it is what we would do with draft. And that is what we would do. So I lock it in, you know, who's you know, who's range starts right here. Two picks earlier is my guy.

B John. I think Atlanta could be sniffing B John here. I also think Detroit could get into some B John love. I mean, it's such a weird class in that I didn't get on with a spoon at six. I'd rather have with a spoon over Bijan at six. But if the Lions are that team that does trade down for a Tennessee or whoever wants to get ahead of Las Vegas

and the Lions end up drafting outside the top 10, I think they could be a prime Bijan candidate. And I think the Atlanta Falcons, Solak says it best, they don't give a fuck about positional value. They're going to be a linebacker. Arthur Smith's just trying to build a bunch of football players.

I think that the Bichon could be a top-ten pick. I think Atlanta's a spot where he could end up. Terry Fano is operating. The talk is generally manager. He is operating like he's got a lot of security. And it's kind of the dream, right? Because he is operating under, I'm going to pick the best football players. And it just doesn't work.

And if you let me do this long enough, we're going to have a really healthy damn good roster. But do owners have that kind of patience? I feel like Arthur blank, if anybody would have that kind of patience, cause he feels like an owner that's like, yeah, I'm going to hire this guy and I'm we're in here for the long haul. I mean,

how long did they hang on for Dan Quinn for a couple of years years when he really was underperforming how long did it feel like they did the same with thomas dimitrov like he likes his guys and so it does feel like he has that leash when a lot of other general managers don't so i agree with you bijan could definitely be in play at the top 10 i'd hate it i'd hate it and i love bijan but i thought they hit on algier they just they need to start they need to start getting foundational pieces at positions that matter so much. And then the Lions, as fun as that is, you tell me Bijan goes into a backfield through a team that just paid David Montgomery and has DeAndre Swift. And it's just like, man, he's such a good player that those arguments go out the window.

But I hope he goes somewhere where he's just that dude immediately. All right. Y'all are up bears in number nine. This situation. I would like the bears at number nine with where their needs are, which is like everywhere. I think they could trade down again. Right? Like this is like, this seems like there's, there's still all, you know, all the top tackles on the board. You could get to pick. I don't know who would want to come up is the only problem here.

Like there's, who would you target? Maybe Tyree Wilson. Yeah. It would be like the one guy maybe. But like, I think they're in a prime spot to trade down. If not, Peter Skowronski is who I think. I just think he's the best O-line in this draft. Hold on here.

I'm going to throw this out there. Connor. Yeah. Jets are about to get Aaron Rodgers. Okay. We don't think number 13 is going to throw this out there. Connor. Yeah. Jets are about to get Aaron Rodgers. Okay. We don't think number 13 is going to be involved. We believe that at number 13, they're going to go all in on offensive line. They probably don't believe that Paris Johnson or even the second offensive tackle is going to make it to him at 13.

You might have an opportunity here where you can move up a couple of spots and take anyone that you want in an all--in window after trading for for aaron rogers what do you think well what does it cost like one of 42 or 43 has to go back to green bay assuming this deal gets done this month so then what you don't have a third rounder what do they got what's the deal because they in the elijah moore trade they flipped up from their third rounder to green bay second to cleveland second rounder so you're probably looking at giving because here's the thing you got to remember this too the bears have a crap ton of picks this year already so you could say next year so you could say you got two first rounders next year we'll give you a second rounder next year to move up from 13 to 9 i think i say it's gonna be low okay i think i only stay firm trevor because for the jets if they get one of skaronski paris or broderick like you just wipe your hands and you're like okay all right uh if they had extra

draft capital i would say so i was actually intrigued intrigued to hear trevor what about the texans coming up from 12 to get Tyree Wilson like this team needs dudes on defense in that front they got they got draft capital he's not making it to 12 he's just not yeah I don't think he's gonna make it to 12 I know I know you're lower on him but like that's the only that's the other one unless you want to go real deeper than that and we have somebody like the Steelers need to tackle. Do they come all the way up? Something along the lines of that. No, because I don't think the Bears would trade that far.

This is a hard. Yeah, this is a difficult. Renner kind of pointed that out. It's not the easiest pick to get out of. I don't hate. Look, I'm lower on Tyree Wilson. But just like the reality of it. I mean, see now.

For Houston right now. Right now. What if you give us next year's second and next year's fourth? So we're not loading up on picks in this class and you move up three spots. Next year's second and next year's fourth. I feel heavy unless I'm off. Let me see.

What's the difference on? I'll give you next year's third. Right? That's what I was just gonna say and they got oh it wouldn't be a two for me no i'll give you next year's third to move from now to fourth well i would go third and fourth third and fourth push it over i'd go third and fourth all right it's fine all right lock it in lock it in cool locking it in all right uh connor you you've got uh tyree willison at um as as your 10th player on the board so i feel like this is this is a good spot for you then i'm getting him at nine yeah and the texans get a freak on the front seven of their defense and to me go he's best kidico, I believe in D'Amico to develop him.

That's kind of the feel good about this move. Have you guys gone back and watched Tyree Wilson's Texas A&M tape? It is insane how he just doesn't know what he's doing. He's just like, I don't think he's out there. It's gotten better, but you're right. It's gotten better, but I think the tape's gotten better but like it's like i think the tape that we saw this past year you're still like oh my god he's just big and he's moving fast running through his xan m tape it's like is that just a big high school kid out there just

like it is uh it's obviously he's gotten a lot better that's not like a lot oh wow four years ago he wasn't as refined as he is now but it legitimately all the stuff that people i think are hinting at now super magnified four years ago where like wasn't as refined as he is now. But it legitimately, all the stuff that people, I think, are hinting at now, super magnified four years ago. Where, like, he could barely get on the field. And when he was on the field, he was getting, like, randomly hit by pancake. It was rough. It was rough.

He's gotten a lot better since then. All right, Mike, where are we heading at? Oh, no. Philadelphia Eagles. Oh, no. No, we're at 10. Yeah. We're going to be right.

We got three straight. All right, Eagles at 10. We got every offensive lineman on the board. I know who I want to take. Who do you want to take? I want to take Kalijah Cansey. Brother. Wow.

At 10, we can't do it. That's early. We can do whatever we want. We're making the picks. I know. I know. But I'm saying for me, I'm giving the pushback. Okay, good.

Good, as long as you're giving the pushback. I mean, the question is, like, where else are you going to go here that, like, really gets you excited? They brought back their corners. I mean, sure, if we could take Skowronski, it'd be awesome. I think we could take Paris. Paris is still there. Paris can play.

That's true. Paris can play right guard for you because he's played right guard before. You let Cam Juergens still be the swing interior offensive lineman, and then when Lane Johnson probably retires next year, boom, Juergens goes to center, Paris Johnson goes to right tackle. That's where I'm going. You can talk me into into it i think he's worth it all right did i did i talk you into it i mean i mean you don't really have to do that much i have him as the 11th best player in the draft and you have a plan in place for him so yes that would be my plan and then you can draft an interior offensive

lineman sometime next year or you could sign they find a way they develop interior uh offensive line and d-line which is really really well i mean lane johnson played through a what was it a foreign abdominal muscle he tears like everything i mean can we get the guy a break he He's the undertaker at WrestleMania out here. Like, he's just doing it to extend the streak. One last match. Buddy, go spend time with your family. They wheel him out.

All right, so let's go Parish Johnson. Let's do it. Then the boys got back-to-back. Back-to-back-to-back. Back-to-back. Triple threat from the tailgate, folks. What are you thinking? I think we're going Skoro here to start. I just think the tailgate, folks. What do you think? I think we're going O-line here.

I think we're going Skowro here to start. I just think the value is too good. You obviously have needs along your offensive line. They tried to rebuild it. And I think that Mike Rabel has a 10-finger death grip around this draft. He's getting what he wants when he wants. He runs his team. I think he's going to go in the trenches. They just did that extension for Jeffrey Simmons.

He's taking this thing down. If you think they're taking receiver here, you are high. He wants O-line. He wants D-line. I think he'd go Lucas Van Ness. He's going lunch pail tights only. I think that, I think that Scott Rose to me. The only, the only wide receiver he would take at 11 is Cedric Tillman.

Yeah, exactly. Or like Michael Wilson, just cause he he blocks the two guys that can block uh i was also great i was wondering how long we were getting this draft before we got a shorthand of the name from austin gale and we got scoro here i was thinking we might get pisco but uh i'm gonna i'm gonna need more of those before the draft is over so we'll go we'll go uh scoro for the titans at 11 you guys are still up with the bears at number 12 bears can really like they people pencil them into o-line because obviously i think that's where the strength is kind of at that point in the draft

but they can go anywhere really they suck right they were the number one team for a reason. They have needs everywhere, and especially along defensive line. So to me, top D lineman on the board right now, Kalijah Cansey, Lucas Van Ness on my board, I'd be cool with either of them. Truthfully, Kalijah Cansey as a three-tech in that defense that has like a defined three-tech role, like that's one of the few if you're going to draft one. Now, you need pieces around him obviously

but that would be intriguing to me for me it's uh kalijah can't see the field because he doesn't weigh enough and he doesn't have long enough oh yeah you're the arm like if I'm going thresholds on the pod, I like, uh, I like Nolan Smith here as well. I had Nolan Smith higher, a lot higher than where I have. Can't see.

I would maybe think Nolan Smith. Uh, yeah. Who is small? Absolutely small. But, um, I don't know.

I, I, I'd rather go Smith than can't see if we could split the difference and go LVN. Okay. Let's go LVN. All right. Lucas Van Ness to the Chicago Bears at number 12.

So they move from number one to number 12, get Lucas Van Ness, but also a poop ton of picks. Oh, is he a big Blackhawks fan? Massive Blackhawks fan. Something I will say too is that situation, if they do trade down at 12 and Jackson Smith, the Jigba is still there to pair up with Justin Fields. It makes me hate the chase.

Cool. Claypool trade that much more. Like the fact that you're a wide receiver room with Darnell Mooney, DJ Moore, chase Claypool, all guys that you want to see the field, given the investment that you've made. And like, obviously DJ Moore, Darnell Mooney are relatively good. I don't think chase Claypool has it. It just sucks that they traded that second rounder for Chase Claypool. Because if they were in that spot to go get JSN,

think about the diversity of that wide receiver. DJ Moore, Darnell Mooney, Jackson Smith at Jigba. That's a complimentary room. I don't know, man. This Chase Claypool trade, I hate it more and more. And that's another situation that I think just puts an exclamation point on that trade not being it. Where are we thinking Jets here?

Well, hold on i just i just had to say lucas van ness connor from barrington illinois which means he's going to chicago bears low moving costs you know low low moving costs relocate him to get it right you know if you're really trying to be financially responsible low moving costs so you guys are still up jets at 13 don't blow it yeah do not blow where do you where would you go here connor just curious pick your brain man i mean the the two fun picks and it's not i don't think it's where they're gonna go are jackson smith and jigba and cancey the chalk is broderick jones so bro derrick, I love the thought of

Kansi on that front. I mean, dude, it's they lost Rankin's then you plug in Kansi. But apparently I'm not, we're not going to be drafting Kansi. Let's do it. We can't. He gave the

deep lean back. If you trust, if you trust my support. Just know that. Like, I think you attack premium positions here. I think that I'd rather go opposite tackle.

I think Donald Wright. I think Broderick. I'd look at O-line. I think that that's the lean. Austin would rather draft Roger Jones and play him both ways

and just have him play three tech. Absolutely. Robert Jones, you are three tech for Robert Sala. What do you want to do, Mike? You can take Kansi. I'll give you the reins. I would like to go clash Kansi.

Let's do it. All right, let's do it. That's fun. It's good to breathe new life into this Jets pick at 13. That's good family fun there, Cotton. Okay, New England patriots at 14 they have roger jones on the board they do also every wide receiver on the board so how do they handle their tackle situation right they have trent brown they paid riley they gave riley reef

a contract not a lot what i what was it i don't think it was like we could just tell you to off money all right i'm gonna look one year five million dollar deal oh okay so you could be a swing tackle at that price i'd off for five million dollars you know absolutely so i think broderick makes sense here I think for the kind of tackle they like, Darnell Wright makes sense here. I think Broderick's the better prospect for whatever it's worth. I know Darnell Wright's on like a rocket ship hype train right now.

I do like Broderick better, but it's... I like Wright, dude. You like him better than Broderick Jones? I don't know yet. Oh, man. Yeah, let's choose. Where are we going, Trevor? Dude, his wide receiver room was poop.

Yeah, it's terrible. Well, they got Juju. If they didn't sign Juju, I'd be like, nah, Jack Smith and Jay would make it happen. I also think this is a sneaky safe flower spot. Yeah, which I do not like that over JSN at all. Maybe they could pick a good tight end and get Dawn Kincaid, right? And then they'd have an actual good tight end on the roster.

I would take JSN. If this is truly our pick, I would take JSN. I mean, it is our pick. It's our podcast. Yeah, but we've leaned into a couple like, okay, we're not allowed to do that. All right, well, screw it. Let's go fully against the grain. Would you take Jason? Okay, taking Jason.

All right, being we long walked around that one. Damn it. That was that was my pick for the Packers. Oh, get absolutely right. Get right. Hate to see hate to see it. All right. So Jackson, the Jigba would have been your pick

there, huh? Would have been. I like Kincaid, uh what are your thoughts ag on dalton kincaid yeah i was gonna say kincaid i think kincaid makes sense at 15 i would have loved jsn though yeah i would too kincaid's really i don't think the pats take jsn ultimately and uh he is there at 15 um that would be a dream that's why I think the pass could be a trade-down spot. I keep saying that, but if someone wants to go get JSN, that isn't the pass, and get ahead of Green Bay, who I think is a leaning pass catcher, I think that 14 could be something where New England's trading back.

All right, Kincaid at 15. Mike, who do you think they're going to take? Miles Murphy. All right. I can see it all right miles murphy or nolan smith is if i had to bet right now no one smith but you're not feeling again what'd you say i said aj dylan a second time no i'm saying his second thigh because his thighs are the size of redwood trees you gotta spend two draft picks on him you gotta go one leg one year one leg the other okay um washington commander 16 yeah this is one of our better commander scenarios, right? They got the corners on the board.

And with that being said, Trevor, I'm not entirely ruling out offensive line in this spot either. Is Broderick still here? He is still here. Broderick's there. Darnell Wright's there. Joey Porter Jr.'s there. What do we think?

I would go either Broderick, because I actually like the situation where Charles Leno is still there. Yes. Or Deontay Banks. Let's go Broderick. Okay. All right. Load up on the offensive line.

Yeah, actually, again, I like that scenario. Not a situation where Broderick. Okay. All right. Load up on the offensive line. Yeah, actually, again, I like that scenario. Not a situation where Broderick has to start right away. Still got Charles Leno on the team. You got Andrew Wiley playing right tackle. Some people will be like, oh, he's not good. But they paid a lot of money for him to start at right tackle. So, I mean, that's kind of beyond the point there. There's only so much he can do.

16, we're going Broderick Jones. I don't think we've had Broderick Jones at 16 in a mock draft. He doesn't make it there. Yeah, normally doesn't. So, it. I don't think we've had Broderick Jones at 16 in a mock draft. No, he doesn't make it there. Yeah, normally doesn't. So it's fun. It's a good scenario. Pittsburgh Steelers at 17, fellas.

Sprint the card in for Darnell. Sprint the card in for Darnell Wright. I mean, that O-line is puke in a bucket. I think that you have to call Joey Porter's dad

and be like, hey, it's just we got bigger needs. We love him. We love him. But I think darn all right for the value, for the spot, for the need. I think this is the move. I'm cool with that. I like it.

Anybody else that you would have thought of or just the O-line needs that much upgrading? I think you have to consider Joey Porter Jr. For the team ties. I don't know. I still think Nolan Smith will be off the board by now. And I'm always considering him in every pick at this point.

Lions? Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. I was just going to say, never mind. I had nothing good to say. Just go. Now you're making me feel bad, Mike, because you were going to say something and I cut you off

and then you didn't say it. No, I can't even actually remember now. it was so inconsequential all right well sounds awesome riveting podcasting devon witherspoon went number six overall to the detroit lions now they are up again at number 18 connor where are we going kind Kind of like Nolan Smith here. I think that... I don't mind it, but does it neutralize James Houston? I don't think so. I think Nolan Smith does so many good things off the ball,

and I'm not going to just bet the house. These teams rotate their rushers like crazy, and the Lions use Houston in a very rotational role. It's fair. I mean, the problem is like say we get away from the edge conversation what is our move here we already got them a corner i guess you could argue in a sense for branch here lions fans despise when we take a tight end in this spot the only johnson that's that is the one that's the one and early for me but i get i get it i've

gone back to that a lot because if you draft Quinn Johnson onto this team, it's Jameson Williams, it's Quinn Johnson, it's Amon Ross St. Brown. The team was one of the top scoring units in the NFL last year. They continue to be so if that's their wide receiver trio. So I am for Quinn Johnson. I'm also for Nolan Smith. Would I bang the table for either of them? I don't really love how this fell for the lions in this spot,

but I think I, Nolan Smith's going to be higher on my board. That's it. That's what it came down to for me. And it's, there's a pretty respectable gap. I think I'd have to double check. Yeah,

there probably will be. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I have Quentin Johnson at 31 nolan smith at 24 so i'd go all right all right we'll go nolan smith nolan smith at 18 the detroit lions puts the buccaneers up at number 19 uh don't blow it this team sucks the roster's old i think that you just have to take your best player available their left tackle is named Brandon Walton. I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is.

I think that Tampa Bay needs to just swing for someone they think can be great, even if it takes two years' time, because I think this team is far, far away from competing. Who do you like then in that? Who's like top of your board here? I mean, I don't even even like for the value i love this cornerback class i'm thinking deontay banks i'm thinking joey porter jr i i think you could go receiver this receiver room's old i mean i think that receiver corner is where the value is right

now um probably till too early for brian branch even though i love him and we got better outside cornerback prospects available i don't know where are you lean i am higher on quinn johnson like i think this is a scenario where again like you said you can just kind of take a swing and a guy like quinn johnson's the swing right like that's trying to keep the high end or is the swing zay i zay with the speed and i don't know i i will quinn johnson's great but i think i've been talking myself into both him and zay are high low slings in terms of you know obviously quinton johnson weaknesses and having that high contested target rate and and still learning to get open whereas they could get open but he's small and he's got short arms as you guys know i tweeted about it

but yeah of course you could go i i think you kind of already have a slot like god wants your slot yeah yeah yeah so i'm fine going i'm fine going quinton or or taking a swing on one of these corners too if you have to advance or join the quarter let's go quentin johns all right do it all right trevor thoughts i love this corner class but tampa's in a situation where they just paid Carlton Davis. They just paid Jamel Dean, and neither of those guys can play inside. They're not slot type of corner. So Deontay Banks and Joey Porter Jr., I love them as prospects,

but I think you're trying to square peg round hole one of those three corners into getting them on the field. And I like the quentin johnson pick better because i think you'll get better return on investment mike evans quentin johnson chris godwin on the same field i mean that would be that would be pretty damn sick i think about anton harrison here thank you win four games hey look you know what whatever gets him caleb williams that's all i care about there you go smart man you guys should have picked the 382nd player on mike's big board here at number 19.

As far as I know, whatever gets them closer to feel. Kalasha can't see. Jeez. Kalasha can't see the field. Apparently. Good God. Seattle Seahawks at 20.

Where are we going? Kalasha can't wipe his butt with those arms. Jeez. There it is. Now tailgates back. Now tailgates. Yeah. We got them going in

the right direction officially back where are we going at 20 connor i mean i really like jordan addison here um i really do you just see what happens to that offense when lockett was out last year but a couple good players have kind of fallen to this spot right here would they tell jalen carter yeah like they they don't they don't need a running back because they got kenneth walker otherwise b john would be fun i mean i really like the tight ends like michael mayer for me is one of the safest players in this draft so i wouldn't even have a problem with that although i know that no that's not popular i think for me this pick would be between jordan addison and michael may. I don't hate him. I like Addison a lot better than Zay Flowers, by the way.

And I know that's kind of, you know, there's a lot of debate there. But I think Addison would flourish next to DK and lock it. I do think this is a great spot for Addison. Like, I would like Jordan Addison here with the Seahawks. Kind of thinking about corner. That's in play. I've heard that for them. Definitely in play.

Banks is still on the board, and Joey Porter Jr. is still on the board. If you've got Joey Porter Jr. on one side, Tariq Woolen on the other, that's just a bitch matchup-wise. They've got arms down to the ground, both sides. I could be talking to Porter for sure. I kind of want to go Joey Porter Jr.

Okay, let's go Joey Porter Jr. Okay, let's go Joey Porter Jr. Okay, we're going Joey Porter Jr. So the Seahawks getting Jalen Carter and Joey Porter Jr. 21. You guys are up with the Los Angeles Chargers. I think I know where A.G.'s head's at. You want to go Zay, right? Zay Flowers.

No? I'm in Zay Flowers. No? I like Zay Flowers in this spot. I think you have to force speed into that room. I was just listening to Steve Ruiz and Nora Princiati on the Ring of NFL show. They're talking about you restructure Mike Williams' contract. You restructure Keenan Allen's contract. You're pushing money down the road. You're going to be pocketing

those guys for a while. There was thought that they could be cup candidates i think the athletic wrote that keenan allen was maybe even a likely cup candidate and they ultimately don't do it right to lesko is keeping those guys in the building now your hands are tied behind your back yeah they added what i think it was trent surefield to this receiver room to try and get some speed involved i i don't i don't know i i don't think this uh i think you got a four speed here i I think Zay Flowers makes sense. I know a lot of people like Jalen Hyatt. I think that's a bit rich. I'd rather have Zay than Jalen Hyatt in this spot. At the same time, JC Jackson sucked last year. Injuries.

You got Deontay Banks on the board. I know they just took Joey Porter. I'm going receiver or corner again. Yeah, I think it's close enough at this point. I want to give Justin Herbert weapons. I just think in that offense, that's what they're missing. You're probably not going to find that in the second, third round. I could say. Let me read this receiver room.

I was wrong. It wasn't Trent Shurfield. I think Trent Shurfield went to the Bills. He did go to the Bills. It's Mike Williams, Josh Palmer, Keenan keenan allen john hightower who does have some feet at a boise state a couple years ago and keelan doss who doesn't have some speed in his honestly cheeks so like you're in a tough spot there like you're starting three receivers are slow you need to almost lost the water who you move zay ahead of palmer palmer to your wide

receiver for palmer can come in and when you need, and when you need someone slower on the football field, hard to say when that is these days, but I think, I think Zay flowers makes sense here. Yeah. Nobody throws in a casual he's cheeks like Austin Gale is when he's on, he's on a rant. You just never know when it's coming. All right. Zay flowers going off the board to the charges at 21. We're Baltimore Ravens at 22 Connor, I look at the board. I look at the top player that's left right here.

I'm thinking about Baltimore's situation. No question about it. I know you're going to agree. It's Hendon Hooker at 22, right? I wasn't ready for that. I just want to go back and say, imagine a family member of Keelan Doss fires up Stock Exchange and catches the most lethal stray from Austin Gayle of all time. back and say like imagine like a family member of keelan dawes fires up stock exchange and they just

like catches the most lethal stray from austin gale of all time they're just trying to they're just trying to enjoy a draft podcast yeah yeah they're like oh great my cousin just called cheeks on this podcast for no reason all right some random loser with a mustache. Get owned. My cousin's in the NFL, and this guy's calling him Chiefs. What have I come to? Oh, God. I'll say this. As you guys think about those picks, top player available on the PFF board is Deontay Banks.

Obviously, he went to Maryland. Also grew up three, seven minutes away from Baltimore Stadium. Yeah, and they're on the corners. This is the obvious pick for him. This is the no-troll obvious pick. Deontay Banks is fantastic. He's one of the best man coverage corners that's in this draft. I mean, he really doesn't even make it this far most of the time

that we're doing mocks now at this point. So I think this is a dream come true for the Baltimore Ravens if he makes it all the way there. Plus, Connor, as Austin mentioned, low moving costs. Low moving costs. Done. Low moving costs. That's just right there. Makes too much sense.

That's make too much sense. Deontay Banks, 22 to the Baltimore Ravens. You guys are up 23. Minnesota Vikings. To me, there's two picks here that I would really want. One's Jordan Addison. Yep. Because you really need to watch him. And the other is Brian Brzee.

I think he's like, you don't have DTs on this roster. You are thin at that position. So those are the two ones that really jump out to me. Who do I have more faith in becoming a plus starter?

I think I lean Brzee. I think that I like Brzee as a prospect more than I like Addison. The weight scares me with Addison. The speed scares me with Addison. I did a look at how many receivers are that light that have been in the NFL. Only a handful have survived. And the only one that's even remotely been like anywhere productive is um davante smith so it's it's tough to be that small and win in this league and then factor in

that he doesn't have four three speed or even low four four speed um i worry about where addison can actually play in the nfl i don't think he's going to be an outside receiver in the league i think he's going to be a slot i think brazee has a chance to be a better player at a higher position of value. Check your database, though. Isaac Bruce was 5'11", 173. Exact same height weight as Jordan Asin. Really? 4'5", 4 coming out. 4'5". Isaac Bruce was

playing when plumbers were at corner. I love this argument. I love this argument. You've been watching NBA pods too much. The LeBron, Larry Bird. Yeah, you really went there. It wasn't even that long ago.

We grew up watching it. Isaac Bruce lightning. I know, I'm just kidding. I'm like, wait, Isaac Bruce played when I was alive. He was drafted in 1994, second round pick. No, he was nasty. Honestly, these highlights look a little slow. I mean, he's going against shitty corners, man.

I can't do this. I can't do this. It't bro yeah brian burrison is taking it too far all right all right okay bro i'm watching i took bruce highlight you guys keep going all right it's fine jacksonville jaguar is at number 24 chalk pick what'd you say it's the easy it's another easy one we're getting the layups we're literally on the layup line right now it's brian branch everybody you've been here you heard it it's done yeah yeah uh the last time we didn't have brian branch going to the jacksonville jaguars at 24 we heard it you guys tweeted up and commented a storm when we passed them right and they will tell them like no you're wrong but here right absolutely i'm with you all the way yeah they're right they've got a big nickel cornerback need.

You put him into this defense and all of a sudden it's a really high upside young defense that's, that could be coming around and become one of the best in the NFL in a couple of years. So Brian branch to the Jacksonville Jaguars at 24, you guys back on the board giants 25. I'd consider Isaac Bruce here. If they didn't already bring in uh this this this receiver room honestly is a sequel to some of the horror movies out there i mean paris campbell wanda robinson jameson crowderepard, Darius Slayton, Isaiah Hodgins, Jeff Smith, Colin Johnson,

David Sills, Khalil Pimpton, Pimpleton, I mean, Jadon Mickens. They have so many receivers on this team that all are just small, injury-prone, only playing the slot. And they've all recently committed resources to them. Wait. But Parrish Campbell's wearing number zero. Does that...

Yeah, it's the amount of snaps he's going to play next year. I think that's... think that's uh exciting that he's being like kind of crystal ball-y with his number change but like i think uh i think this receiver room is bad but you can't add to it you literally can't what are you gonna do you just you literally just signed all these guys back like you brought all these guys back i don't know i think that uh you can't go receiver here as bad as that room is i do think addison's better than like most of those guys, but then his skill sets. No,

you don't have to convince me. But it's just, so I don't think it's a needle mover enough to pick him. I would probably go if I'm here, I'd probably go Emmanuel Forbes at this point. Yeah. The needle. You want to talk about outliers is tiny man that i think lance

zero lines comparison for him is cameron dansler who obviously cameron dancer is he on a team i think he recently got cut um he was 15 pounds heavier than this dude so when your player comparison is the needle and you're 15 pounds lighter than him uh gonna be tough i i think it'll be it'll be interesting to see if he can hang out on the outside because it's he's he does not have the beef needles on the commanders now oh good friend all right let's take let's take him though i'm down to swing on man of forbes okay all right you guys taking forbes to the giants yeah forbes to the giants at 25 uh apologiesologies to any member of Paris Campbell's family that might be listening to this podcast

that also just caught a real strong stray during that little back and forth thing. Meanwhile, Pro Football Hall of Fame member Isaac Bruce has just been run over like 35 times on this podcast. The man has a gold fucking jacket. In every 90s corner. Yeah and every every corner that played before 2010 oh my god you are cheeks like they did have white corners back then though so just that that is kind of that's true yeah sure cowboys at 26 connor i feel like we're getting the softballs

here i feel like there's an easy one, right? Where are you leaning? I'm curious. Because I'm kind of torn between a couple here. Okay. Bijan's on the board. I know. All right.

Who are the other ones that you're considering? I mean, it's easy to talk me into Bijan. He is so good. And Pollard's on a franchise tag. So it's not like they have. They finally don't have multi-year money tied into running back. So I could do that.

I would like Michael Mayer in this spot. I could be talked into multiple edge rushers from Miles Murphy to BJ Ojalary to Will McDonald. Oh, and Felix Anadike Uzama. I mean, the only player I will not be talked into here is Mozzie Smith. That's pretty much it. So are we going with Bijan?

Who are the other edge rushers? What would you name off? Miles Murphy. Will McDonald. Felix Anadike Uzama and BJ Ojolari. I think Ojolari would be my highest rated one. But there's a nice tier of edge rushers available. And it'd be different.

I'd take Bijan. I'm going to be honest with you. Okay. I'm going to be honest with you. To quote PFF lead draft analyst Mike Renner, there's three blue chip prospects in this class. Two of them are on the defense side of the football. Both of them went in the top five.

The other one is Bijan Robinson, and he's still on the board. That's the argument. He's just so good. I have a hard time. I get positional value. I get all that stuff. Bijan's unbelievable. Dude, it's pick 26.

Yeah. It's insane we even have to reach this far to beg people beg people to accept bijan robinson yeah cowboys fans we appreciate you still clicking on the mock even though every single time it feels like i think what's important too with the positional value conversation now that i have i am with the ringer and i've been blessed a little bit and now i'm not just constantly beat up or bringing up even a running back's name trevor and i got kicked off the pff channel for liking running backs people think that's exactly why everybody knows it it's not publicly about the swings think about the swings you're taking outside the top 10 specifically in this draft class right can't see would have to be an

outlier right to be great in the nfl you were talking about at 16 taking broderick jones good thing he doesn't have to start right away like you're thinking about a project like this draft class after you get outside the top 10 really outside the top eight yes you're talking about at 16, taking Broderick Jones. Good thing he doesn't have to start right away. Like you're thinking about a project. Like this draft class, after you get outside the top 10, really outside the top eight. Yes. You're talking about guys that like, yes, they have, you know, there are outcomes, right? There are a range of outcomes where they can be elite players. Bijan has the highest percentage of that, right?

Of these guys that you're taking from like even eight to 16, eight to 20. So I think with this specific draft class, like I find myself more and more comfortable with taking Bijan a lot higher than this, right? When you're taking swings on Emmanuel Forbes, a pick before, like, yeah, I'd rather go Emmanuel Forbes here. He's 166 pounds. It's never happened ever before in the history of the league, but maybe when Isaac Bruce was playing, but like, this is, this is like a tough,

I think this is an easy pick. I would go Bijan here as well. Now with that being said, Buffalo, I think they have to go Addison here, Mike. I love Addison to Buffalo. The fact that they had to sign Cole Beasley in the middle of last season was legitimately

a cry for help. It was a cry for help. Can someone get open, please? Stephon Diggs can't be the only guy we've got. They need a legit and if addison is going to be this bruce that people think he can be he can take over this wide receiver two spot for gabe davis you know down the road but i think right away he starts in the slot then you got davis digs addison from the slot if he's better than that he can go outside i don't know how quickly that would be but they need someone like addison who can get open whereas davis obviously

is this downfield threat that is this guy that's a bigger possession type. I really like hitting the offense hard and bringing Addison here. I like Anton Harrison here. I think Spencer Brown is just a liability at right now. You're 100% right. And they know it.

They know it. That to me is limiting them far more than wide receiver three on this roster and now i love they also they also love shakir they love shakir they just brought in dionte hardy they just brought in trent surefield i don't think i don't think they're going to go get research yeah trent surefield dionte hardy i don't think they're going to go get receiver but man jordan asson's better than i think all but stefan digs in that room i think he could be i think he could be better than all but stefan digs in that room like uh it's uh i

think the line's fair but i'd love to see them just go get a nasty receiver that you that has i think a higher percentage of uh of being great see to me though harrison's like it for tackles you're just yeah you're done yeah you're not you don't you pass on harrison here you you penciled yourself in dispenser route for the next two years as you say that i'm on four minute i'm running these in the background isaac bruce four minutes and 15 seconds in and do this highlight quarterback wearing number 45 uh is watching him jogging out route for a score and he's six yards of separation so isaac bruce really putting it all on these guys it's uh it's been it's so you're talking yourself out of Jordan Harrison then.

No, let's go Anton Harrison. I'm for it. Okay. All right. Harrison going 27 to the Buffalo Bills. Cincinnati Bengals up at number 28. Connor, I'm curious where your mind goes to originally, or initially, I should say, here with this pick, because there is one player who we have not talked about before

going to the Bengals that is on the board that i'm kind of intrigued about so i'm curious if your eyes are even going there or not i don't think so i think for me it's michael mayer in this spot i just think it's so such a seamless insert great tight end into an offense with great wide receiver talents and elite quarterback michael mayer is a first downs machine and with with the timing of Joe Burrow, that would continue. He doesn't need separation to catch the ball. It helps you in line. He obviously brings more inline blocking than Hayden Hurst was going to bring

last year, I think. So I, he's one of the better players in the draft in my eyes. And the Bengals are at 28. It's not, it's not the Bijan combo all over again, but it's kind of close to it where it's like, he's really good. You have a need here. Just take him. I don't mind, Mayor, certainly for the reasons that you mentioned.

It makes a ton of sense. What about Jordan? What about Jordan Addison? Because Tyler Boyd, he's going to be 30 years old next year. He's in the last year. He's in the last year of his contract. They don't have a deal done yet with T. Higgins. He's fully believe he's gonna get done i don't think t higgins is going anywhere but are you bringing back boyd after you pay t higgins probably not if you have addison

all of a sudden you got jamar chase you got t higgins you got jordan addison playing the slot that's pretty sick i agree but let me throw this back to you the bengals pick it again at 60 and 92 you're telling me they can't get a small wide receiver three in that pot in that slot in this class yeah but one who's yeah but it's i love jordan he's my wide receiver too yeah you got him higher than i am it's a't believe you're talking to me. It's a luxury for the Bengals that they can address elsewhere where you're not getting a Michael Mayer. Like, this tight end class is really good, but I don't see anybody right now that's going to replicate what they get in Mayer.

See, I'm lower on Mayer than you are. Yeah. You're also way lower on Addison than I am. But, okay, but there's a difference. You have him wide receiver two. I had him wide receiver five, but that doesn't mean I'm going to have him way down on Addison than I am. But okay, but there's a difference. You have him wide receiver two. I had him wide receiver five, but that doesn't mean I'm going to have him way down on my big board.

You know what I'm saying? So I still think he's going to be decently high. I still like Jordan Addison, but this is a situation where this guy can be wide receiver two caliber talent that you can put in a slot as your wide receiver three. Like that to me, yeah, it's a luxury, but it's also like a deadly way

to make a strength even stronger. If you're the the bangles which you know you're just going to be pass heavy all the time i don't i don't hate the mayor pick you seem to be a lot more just like bullish on that being the pick as i do for addison so i won't hate michael mayor here but if i was making the pick i'd be taking taking Jordan Addison. Okay. I mean, he's up there for me. So if you, if you feel that strongly, and we've gone with Michael Mayer before,

so I think it's good to show a different perspective of it, but I do think they can find a day two wide receiver much easier than they can go find Michael Mayer on day two, but we'll go, we'll go with Addison here and let the, the mayor slide continue because i all right i also think at this is like far for addison man i know he's small i didn't know he i know he he ran like a plumber um according to austin gale but like man he's he's

still too good to be making it outside the top 30 uh there's some sort of joke in there with plumber and runs but you know i'm still workshopping it we'll get the order down any interest in the phone book here aka osiris torrence with the 11 inch hands as big as a piece of paper i the interior offensive line needs help i i like osiris torrence a lot i feel like the media has soured on him as it's like back into the first round player and the bangles need interior o-line if you don't them, I'm going to be pounding the table, Mike at 29 with the saints. Well,

I already clicked on Jordan Addison, so I can't go back for it. I can't go back now. Bengals fans. Let us know what you think of this pick Addison being that wide receiver with the setup that we have there over Osiris Torrance over Michael Mayer, but you guys are up now with the saints.

They also like to want Jones too. I know that. Not the Bengals, the fans of the Bengals. Y'all are Mike. you lean oh this one just take one of the edges this one just to me has to be miles murphy right like i think yeah you get a freak athlete this late in the first round at a valuable position like the saints have to attack they can't attack guard right they don't have the cap flexibility to be wasting premium picks on guards, linebackers, et cetera. So I think you go him or Addison or Michael Mayer at this spot.

But I think Myles Markle. No, I'm with you. I think that's the move. Cameron Jordan's only getting older. I think – Yeah. I like the chance. And Marcus Davenport's no longer on this team right you're

gonna go into next year with you know uh you know tan opasano and uh peyton turner i think miles murphy's the move all right miles murphy 29 to the saints connor what do you think at 30 the diabolical the diabolical pick would be osiris torrence here so that you just have your offensive line lined up for the next 10 years. Cause you just have everybody young and like waiting in the wings, but I don't, I don't know if we're going to go guys, guys packing a meatball sub down low.

You can guarantee that. Oh, brother. Dude. Imagine what DeJuan Jones. What? I'm leaving the pod if you revive tailgate for one hour you just get the absolute unhinged draft where's that in the pff double meat barbacoa wrapped just load there's just no way there's no way it's not if this isn't

if this isn't in the pff draft guide on the next iteration ball sub guys got a subway down there a whole subway Oh, my God. Eagles in 30. What are we thinking, Connor? I'm going to say no to Osiris. We had Paris Johnson go at 10. Oh, man. I'm thinking Edge here, Trevor. Get younger at Edge. I would pound the table pretty hard for Ojolari here.

Yeah, I think that that's probably the pick. I'm looking at the rest of the guys that would be in range here. Unless you want to get spicy with Adetemi Wadabware's versatility. I'd rather get the pure speed. Yeah, I'd rather get Ojalary as well. All right, Ojalary at 30. We're going Ojalary at 30 for the Eagles, which puts you guys on the clock with the Kansas City Chiefs

for the final pick of this first round. Number 31. Will McDonald? Oh, he's too light. I just don't think they'd go. Like, realistically, that's just not defense. What about Mazzy? I don't like Mazzy.

Mazzy is the one who is intriguing to me, and Udike Uzama is intriguing to me here. And honestly, Adebari is intriguing to me as well. Yeah, yeah. You just add athletes to that D-line. But I think Mazzi is the one where it's like they don't really have – like, got Derek Nottie. But Mazzi can actually rush the passer off the nose that –

maybe a little bit more than anyone they've really ever had there. I'm for it. I like that. Do Mozzie. All right. Mozzie Smith. Final selection this draft. All right.

We're going to, I'm going to rapid fire it off here to recap it for the good people at home who might not be watching on YouTube and just want an audio recap of it at number one. Overall, the tailgate guys got us kicked off. They had Bryce young head. Number one for the Carolina Panthers, Anthony Richardson at number two for the Houston Texans,

CJ Stroud number three to the Indianapolis Colts, trading up one spot with the Cardinals, who then took Will Anderson at number four. Jalen Carter went five to the Seahawks, Devon Witherspoon six to the Lions, Will Levis seven to the Raiders, Christian Gonzalez eight to the Falcons, Tyree Wilson, a little trade up here.

Chicago Bears traded down. Texans came up to number nine. They took him there at that spot. Parrish Johnson Jr., Eagles at 10, and Peter Skoronski, sorry, what was the next name? Skoro? Skoro at number 11. Skoro. For the Titans there.

Lucas Van Ness then to the Chicago Bears at 12. Kalijah Cansey. Had a little bit of fun on this mock draft. Going 13 to the New York Jets. Jackson Smith and Jigba but the Patriots at 14, Don Kincaid to the Packers at 15 Broderick Jones to the Washington commanders at 16 Darnell, right? Went to the Steelers at 17, Nolan Smith, the lions at 18, Quentin Johnston to the bucks at 19 of that one.

Joey Porter jr. The Seahawks at 20 say flowers to the charges of 21 Deontay banks, Ravens, 22, Brian Brazee, Vikings, 23, Brian branch at the Jags 24, Emmanuel Forbes, a.k.a. the Needle, went to the Giants at number 25, B. John Robinson, the Cowboys at 26, Anton Harrison to the Bills at 27, Jordan Addison to the Bengals at 28, much to Connor's chagrin, had Miles Murphy to the Saints at 29, B.J. Ogilari to the Eagles at 30, and then Mozzie Smith to the Chiefs at 31. Fellas, this was so much fun. I appreciate it.

Was there any player that we didn't get into the first round that you had been trying to, that you thought about, any of the guys that were left there? Mike, you're on mute. Mike, you're on mute. Mike, you're on mute. Goddamn, I keep drinking water. Michael Mayer.

I can't believe Michael Mayer didn't make it in the first round. I tried. I fought the good fight like three times he did lost every try he tried he tried who did you say austin anybody uh osiris oh of course right yeah yeah um the meatball sub yeah this uh this podcast is sponsored by no i'm just kidding fellas i appreciate it i hope it. I hope this little reunion was just as much fun for you guys as it was for us. Obviously we're big tailgate fans here at NFL stock exchange. I know the people who listen to the podcast as well. Miss you guys regularly having your draft take. So hopefully this was a little bit of a, just a, just a sweet little reminder of what can be when you guys team up.

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