NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 170. Connor & Trevor's Top 150 Big Board for the 2023 NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers run through the top 150 players on each of their big boards, with plenty of questions for one another after seeing each others' final rankings for the first time

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. In this episode, we are giving you two top 150 big boards

for the 2023 NFL Draft. Connor and I are giving you both our final big boards, final rankings after watching so much tape, so many of these players over the last couple of months. It feels great to finally be done, but it feels even better to get to talk about it with each other. It is going to be a lot of fun. We go back and forth. We look at each other's big boards for the first time. We got a lot of questions. How did you end up with this player here? How did you end up with this player here? All different sorts of stuff. And we know that you guys are going to have takes on it too. So it's a great episode. I'm Trevor Sakema. With

me as always is Connor Rogers rogers let's ring the bell welcome to the opening bell of the nfl stock exchange podcast i'm trevor sycamore that is connor rogers oh an exciting day connor this is the reveal of both of our top 150 big boards, the final edition. Now that we are here in draft week, just a couple of days until the 2023 NFL draft. And with that, we figured that we'd give you guys our final big board ranking. So buddy, this has been a year over a year coming to finally rank these players in a vertical format. Can't wait for everybody to nitpick one guy barely being ahead of another how you doing my friend i'm good man i'm excited for this one because like we've said we've really been with this class for almost a full year we

obviously start this process pretty significantly sometime in may and building the board is just a totally different process like no matter how much many players you've watched, how many shows you and I have done on this class for, like we said, almost a year, it just looks and feels so different when you actually stack it, especially when you get outside the top 100 as well, because you come to the reality that, sure, there will be guys that are outliers that make it as high-end players, but you're looking at, you know, you start to evaluate. Some guys might have a really high special teams floor, and you might like that better somewhere than a guy that could be out of the league in two years, but has more upside.

So building a board is a truly fascinating process that when you go beyond the top 50, it becomes a totally different beast. And, you know, obviously you and I love it, but it can be a little bit stressful as well. So it's kind of nice that we've made it to this point. Yeah, it's 100% stressful because you're sitting here and you're like, if I have a guy ranked 38 versus 52, in reality, the talent level probably isn't that much different, but people are going to be like, whoa, outside of the top 50 or within the top 400 vertical big boards are always just i don't know they they breed very interesting conversations and we know that you guys are going to have takes

on our uh rankings of these players and we would love to hear over in the youtube comments if you guys are watch this on youtube you can do it there if you're listening on audio uh create a youtube account if you don't have one. Follow the channel. What are you doing? Yeah, we have fun. So I figured the best way to do this is let's go top 10. We'll name everybody that we have in our top 10.

And then we'll go 11 to 25. Name everybody that we have in our 11 to 25 range. 26 to 50, we'll do the same thing and then from 50 to 100 we'll just highlight a handful of players that we have throughout that group and then the same thing 101 to 150 we'll probably highlight some guys that we like within that range as well um just for just so you guys know my rankings are published on pff.com if you want to go check them out there connor's is going to be on nb, but you're pushing it to Wednesday and you're doing 300, right? Yeah, yeah.

You're an animal. I know. It's also, I'll be honest with you, I did 315 last year and I'm like, man, now I'm here. Like, it's going to be 300. This is just kind of what I do. Do you watch the movie 300 to get ready i i should i should at least watch the trailer one of the greatest trailers of all time seriously somebody somebody needs to splice up like when uh oh what's his name the guy

no no no no the guy's xerxes no the guy who's like narrating and telling the story he's like the eye bandana he's like the brave 300 but they're talking about your big board it's just like the 300 guys that made it i'll tell you what though you know when you do one the 150 is significantly harder than the back 150 like when i get to 200 you start this is how teams do too you really start filtering through like you've seen these guys play but you start prioritizing you start filtering out certain athletic profiles or size profiles or it's just because the percentage of guys that are going to make it outside of that is so small that you become more fixated on thresholds as well it's not as film based the film matters but it's not as film based as the top 150 um because

they're back on that slot for a reason from a film perspective so i mean it's it's not as impressive as it sounds no and in honesty you know honestly that's a really good point that you made that when it comes to guys who are lower on the big board you may be watching their film at say like edge rusher or tight end and you may be evaluating like how they are as an edge rusher as a tight end which obviously matters but in all honesty if these guys are going fifth sixth seventh undrafted free agent range they're going to make their mark on specialty 100 like you almost have to evaluate just is this player a just solid good football player? Because if they're not,

even if they might have a little bit of a higher upside than a guy that you might be weighing them against, they're probably not even going to get to show it because they're not going to make a team because you have to keep guys on the team who are going to be able to play special teams for you. And I think that that goes into practice squad roles as well. Although you could stash some more high-end athletes there,

guys who are really starting to figure it out. But I think that that definitely goes into that part of the conversation much lower on the big board of how you rank these guys almost as if like this guy might not be as good at his position as another player but i think he's going to be a better special teamer and that might bump him up totally so and then like you run into thresholds right trevor like corners that run like a 462 or worse you could count them on like your hands how many make it you know what i mean it's and i i this you know maybe that is a little harsh but there's just thresholds you find where you're like the reality of this guy making it is a really really big uphill battle so i don't feel

uh as stressed about not having him in the top 150 to 200 so yeah there's just there's a lot of different ways you go through that process but it's uh it's much smoother on the back end than it is on the guys we'll talk about today the front end this is the stressful part all right so uh let's get to it man uh give me your one through ten your top 10 players on your 2023 NFL draft big board number one's will anderson uh from alabama number two yeah right shocking number two is bryce young the quarterback from alabama of course number three i do think is the most talented player in the draft in jalen carter there are just so many variables with jalen carter and i do agree with the people that think it's not even just away from the field.

I would like to see him play 120% on the field because when he is going full throttle, he's the most talented player in the draft. So him ending up at three with all of that stuff just goes to show you how good he is. Four is Bijan Robinson. Five is Peter Skowronski. Six is Devin Witherspoon seven is Christian Gonzalez eight is CJ Stroud nine is Michael Mayer and ten is Tyree Wilson Michael Mary Tyree all right so you got Merritt nine yeah I'd love I'd love to hear this conversation

because a lot of the top basically the the top eight, very similar to me, a little bit of different order with those guys, but you've got Mayer at nine. I have Mayer at 24. So you've got him, clearly we both think that he's a good football player, but you've got him in the top 10 of this class. Why do you have him in the top 10 of this class i just look at him and think he has all the

ingredients to being a top five tight end in the nfl and it's a very similar evaluation process i went through with tyler linderbaum last year where i know people just won't have him in the top 10 because he's a center and they just don't care and And there's a couple of different ways to evaluate it. Like my big board is not necessarily the order of how I'm drafting guys from a roster construction period. Like you can argue that Bijan Robinson is a top five player, but that doesn't mean he's a top five pick. You can argue Michael Mayer is a top 10 player, but it doesn't mean he's a top 10 pick, but positional value. Does it factor into a big board? Yes. Is it the end all be all in the actual draft process or, or the draft ranking process? Like, no, like Skaronsky's probably an interior offensive lineman. And that's why I don't

think he's gonna be the first offensive lineman taken in the draft, but I confidently think he's the best offensive lineman in the draft by a pretty good margin. And that all comes back to Michael mayor where he's jack of all trades, but I do think he has a calling card. And that's his possession ability to move the chains or in the red zone is different than a lot of these other guys. He's physical.

He understands how to work in difficult areas of the football field. He understands how to maximize his frame and catch radius to win the football field. He understands how to maximize his frame and catch radius to win the football. I think his effort in blocking is even better than his technique. So I actually expect with coaching him to become a much better blocker, even though he's already a pretty solid one. So I really liked him. I think that I just look at the profile and think, man, that's a guy that'll help you win football games in a variety of ways, has the ability to play on the line of scrimmage, which I don't think that's the case for plenty of

guys in this draft, has the ability to flex off the line of scrimmage as well and not really give up a lot of ground in that. So and also part of it comes to this draft class where I was just about to ask that if that goes into it. Not. Yes, absolutely. I mean, I look at I'll just about to ask that, if that goes into it. Yes, absolutely. I mean, I'll just pull up my grid from last year right now. Like, last year, where does Michael Mayer rank in the entire draft class? I have the board open right now. Oh, that's a good question. I think...

I've got to find my board. Hold on. I would say I'd have him 21st in last year's draft class right behind treyvon walker that's a big difference 9 and 21 right right so there's no denying it the town at the top of this draft class is not very special dude i had his i had his teammate isaiah foskey at 10 when we did summer scouting big board when we did our like top 50 going into the season i had him at 10 and you were like 10 and i was just like it's kind of the it's yeah and you were like you don't remember the top 50 right that was pretty legendary yeah i had him at 10 you didn't even have him in the top 50 but um i'm interested to say okay wait hold on where's foskey for you now it'd be hilarious higher Foskey is 82 okay 71 for me all right

wow we ended up almost spot on him after all that pretty close oh what a beautiful journey it is okay so Michael Mayer sitting there at nine I'll just have the Michael Mayer conversation I think he's gonna be a good tight end like certainly top 10 tight end in the NFL could definitely see that him being a top 10 tight end for a long time and end in the nfl could definitely see that him being a top 10 tight end for a long time and again against this class i could totally see that having a ton of value like if you are going for more of high floor football players guys who you just know are going to be able to make it in the league aren't going to get overwhelmed he's somebody who's got to be pretty high on your list so i know some people are going to be a little bit higher on

him i've got him in the mid-20s just because the athleticism stuff right i mean he's just not the best athlete in the world whether it comes to yards after the catch stuff or being able to break on routes or even holding up against blocks i think he's fine against blocks but again i just don't think that he's this crazy athlete so um i think they're going to be higher ceiling tight ends that are always going to occupy that top five whereas he might get close to that, but I just personally don't think you'll sneak into that range. That's why he's a little bit lower for me. Then at 10, so you ended up with Tyler Tyree Wilson at 10 as edge two in this class.

Now we get to a lot of other edge rushers that you'll have 11 through 25. I can already see that, but Wilson, are you worried about him in the nfl is this like a high ceiling low floor kind of a player or do you think the floor is pretty decently high here with wilson i actually came around on his floor when for i know i said on a podcast at one point like he might be the biggest boomer bus prospect in this draft and then when i really started watching him i'm like he's so long and strong that he's gonna stumble into production because he it's just very gifted now he's going to go in the top eight of this draft he could be the picket too and i actually

am leaning that he is the picket too. And that's where there's bust potential. Because those expectations are entirely different from being a fringe top 10 pick in the draft. You're expected to be an impact pass rusher when you're taking in that spot. Oh, 100%, yeah. He just wins with power and length right now. He has no pass rush plan at all.

Now, at two, you go to D'Amico Ryan's actually gonna be an incredible spot for him to develop so with Tyree yeah at 10 for me there was definitely a fine balance of like there is risk here there is great reward but I am so much more comfortable with those nine players in front of him that I, I, I couldn't project him the way some others are basically, but I also under, it was, I really came to the middle here. I feel like this is one of my biggest like fence sitting rankings where I'm looking at it and going, I totally understand the talent, especially in this draft. I like the talent a lot, but there are a lot of other guys that they have significantly better

floors that should be drafted ahead of him, despite the fact that they won't be. I'll get to Wilson in a little bit. Cause I kind of package him with another player that I have further down on my list. So I'll just read off my top 10 at number one. I have Bryce Young. I have Bryce Young as my number one overall player in this class. It was close for me, man. Really close. I understand. It's the size. He's such an outlier for it.

We can't sit here and say that the biggest factor for who makes it at the complex quarterback position and who doesn't we can't say that the biggest factor is between the ears and then i have somebody else ahead of ahead of us he he just he plays the position unbelievably well so so much incredible poise we likened him to joe burrow certainly i likened him to joe burrow when we were going through our final quarterback rankings that's how i view this kind of a prospect. And so I think Bryce is the number one overall player in this class. I think I have positional importance weighted a little bit heavier than you do on your rankings just from looking at yours and looking at mine.

So I think that people got to remember that goes into it. But funny enough, I say all that, and I got Bijan Robinson at two. It's just so hard for me to find a flaw in this guy's game i mean to me he's like damn near the perfect running back okay sure he's not running a four three flat but like we have talked about so many times before on this podcast how many opportunities do you get to even show off four three speed as a back instead you get numerous more opportunities to show the skill sets that he has between the tackles, whether it's vision or the footwork or the contact balance or even the soft hands out of the backfield,

him playing from the slot, him playing to the outside, like all of this stuff, man. He's just phenomenal at it. So to me, running back, yes, a little bit lower positional value than other positions. But when you are as well-rounded as this guy is i had to have him at number two behind bryce so i got bijan at number two i got will anderson at three i got jalen carter four i believe i'm pretty step to step with you for a lot of the jalen carter stuff a player alone on the field and number one overall dude like it could have been the number one player on our big board i think he was when the season ended for both of us when we were talking about him as a potential choice for the

chicago bears at number one but got carter at four witherspoon five skronsky six gonzalez seven cj stroud eight paris johnson junior at nine and then i got anthony rich Anthony Richardson at 10. So we see this class at the top insanely close, very closely. Top eight's almost exactly the same. It's almost the same. We like the top two corners. We obviously are high on Stroud. You have Paris at nine, and I know I didn't mention him because I have Paris at 11. Okay. All right.

That's a good segue. You can go, you can go 11 to 25. Okay. If you wanted to break down a little bit more on your guys, I absolutely will. I'll revisit yours in a second after I go 11 to 25, I'll swing it back to you. 11 was Paris Johnson jr. 12 was Jackson Smith and Jba, who might be my favorite player in this draft, honestly. When all is said and done, that doesn't mean he's the best player, but I just look at everything he does and how much discourse has been around his process. I mean, you and I watched him last summer and loved him, and he didn't really get to play a lot this year and then it was like

he was thrown off the plank and then it was it was he can't run he's slow he can only play in the slot he could do this then he has 98th percentile agilities he's a great process he runs fine and now he's the runaway favorite to be the number one wide receiver i it's just like a full circle guy in this draft so truly truly i'm rooting for him um more than most players in this draft 13 Anthony Richardson who is why I want to swing back to you after I read these because you have intent we'll have the Richardson combo 14 collage you can't see I would imagine that's pretty high for can't see yeah I'm not too I'm not too far behind, but yeah, that's pretty high. 15, Broderick Jones, tackle from Georgia.

I'll try to read these like some people listening to these aren't as in on the draft as the sex addicts. I do make that mistake very often that there are people listening that this is their first draft content of the year. And that's OK. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. 16, Joey Porter Jr., the corner from Penn State. 17, Darnell Washington, the tight end from Georgia. 18, Jordan Addison, the wide receiver from USC. 19, BJ Ojalary, the edge from LSU. 20, Jameer Gibbs, the running back from Alabama.

21, I have a little edge run here. Lucas Van Nesset from Iowa. Miles Murphy from Clemson. Nolan Smith from Georgia. here lucas van nesset from iowa miles murphy from clemson no one smith from georgia 24 brian branch the safety nickel from alabama and 25 jack campbell the linebacker from iowa you got a you got a lot of and that um it's not to say that these guys have low ceilings but if you got a lot of high floor players in your top 20 flat very floor related which i think goes into the conversation that we were having a couple minutes ago with this class it's not the most star studded class at the top so especially getting outside of the top 10 the point of the nfl draft is to simply make your team better with nfl players

the guys that you are probably for sure are going to be NFL players seem to be pretty high on your list, which does make sense given the class that we're talking about here. So we have Richardson pretty close. You have him 10th. I have him 13th. I really like Anthony Richardson. I just want to say I'm certain to lean even more. I'd be really surprised if he's a guy that just doesn't figure it out at the next level.

And I don't know if that means he'll be the star that people think he can be. But the rushing floor and deep throwing floor. Can make him that explosive, how cam newton was sometimes not mvp cam but how cam newton was plenty of times where he's not going to complete 65 of his passes but the explosive plays are you can live and die with them and And that's what I like about Richardson so much and how I landed on him being a top 15 player in this class. And I know for you, a top 10 player. Yeah.

Yeah. He's supremely talented. Certainly he has a ways to go, but like we talked about on the quarterback episode, if you look at the context of him being a first year starter, him learning stuff along the way, him seeming to really improve his pocket presence as the year went on, you get him in an NFL coaching staff.

You don't want to throw him out there before he's too early and just absolutely destroy the confidence from him. I mean, that's, that's, that's what you don't want. Now I'm not saying that he can't start right away, but if he does, you've got to have him in a great environment to where, similarly to how Joshosh allen went about it when he failed it was like all right josh you failed here this is how we get better like this is how we improve here not ah you failed josh strike one my friend you know and sometimes it's that way and sometimes for coaches and gms like the clock's ticket you know sometimes it's almost

just like naturally they can't do anything else with it. But I think if Richardson goes to the right situation, man, immensely talented player. He certainly has the physical profile to be an NFL ball player. Consistency, that will to be determined. But again, with positional value going into my big board, that's why I ended up having him at number 10.

I'll read off my 11 to 25. And then I think we could probably talk about some players that we have a little bit differently. Yes. Oh yeah. And then I'm excited for this. That's a good way. We'll have the conversation 11.

I have Darnell, right? The offensive tackle from Tennessee love Darnell, right, man. I just think he's one of the most talented offensive tackles in the class. So to make consistencies to his game,

especially in the run game, wish he would be a little bit more reliable in the run game sometimes he puts what seems he puts that mean streak and pass protection more than he does in run blocking which if you get that in both areas i think you're talking about a damn good offensive lineman i will levis at 12 and i realize that you have not said will have is his name yet. Yes. Again, once again, very astute observation.

Once again, positional value goes heavily into mine. And I like Levis. I, I think he's a good NFL player in the future. I got Nolan Smith at number 13. The address from Georgia, Deontay banks, the corner from Maryland at 14,

Broderick Jones, the offense attack from Georgia at 15 Darnell Washington, the tight end from Georgia as my tight end, won at 16 overall. I got Joey Porter Jr. in the corner from Penn State at 17. Brian Branch, the safety from Bama at 18. Anton Harrison, the offensive tackle from Oklahoma at 19. Jameer Gibbs at 20.

We have him in the same spot. Jameer Gibbs, the running back from Alabama. Dude, he's such a great playmaker. Dalton Kincaid, not far behind the tight end. One title at 21. a tight end from Utah. Jackson with a jig by, I have him at 22. Collide to Kansas, I got him at 23. Michael Mayer at 24.

And then I have Miles Murphy at 25. Okay. So I think we need to have the Darnell Wright conversation first. Okay. Do you have Wright on your top 25 no oh he's okay all right and i listen this so darnell right to me and to be fair i've been 28 so it's not like he's thrown off a cliff here darnell right to me in this class is what is the offensive version of what everybody thinks tyree wilson is like this is the guy to me that could be a top

five tackle in football in three years. He could be a gigantic disaster. And I know that's not very common. I do worry about the weight at the next level. And I don't know if I have some bias of this, because I very closely saw it be a problem with Mekhi Becton, who it felt like he was always playing heavy and got hurt. I don't know if both were tied together, but it doesn't help. And I just think with Wright,

the more and more I watched of him, he's so talented and he's so strong. And he really took it to Will Anderson and Brian Brzee. He really did. There's no denying it. And I liked a lot of what I saw from him at the senior bowl. I think Will McDonald speed challenged him. I thought Wright was good in mobile.

He just, the conditioning to me shows up on the tape at times too where i'm like he's not not dominating out there in the third and fourth quarter because he can't he's a little tired and playing a little heavy and it gets so hard in the nfl level so hard if he's all it like dialed in and he plays at 330 for his nfl career he's gonna be fine but i can't confidently say that i know that's going to be the case so it's it's a he's a swing i think he's a swing and i get why a team will take that risk because he plays a premium position yep he's a really good football player but i do think there is some risk there personally for me he's such a great pass protector i think already just the way that he is able to be consistent as a pass

protector yet also be as aggressive as he is and he's really really impressive former five-star offensive tackle i'm buying it i'm buying it um i'm all in on it he's he's 11th overall for me for a reason so i got nolan smith as edge 2 in this class at 13 and you had him 23 overall as edge 4 or 5 he's a deeper yeah you got five edge rushers one two three four rankings five six he is edge six for me you got six edge rushers in the top 23 yeah this is what this class is built on if jared burst jared burst would have been edge two for me and he went back to school i already did that eval i was watching god who was i watching i think i was watching jamie robinson their safety and the whole time I'm just watching FSU tape and I'm like,

why isn't Jared Burse in this class? Jared Burse would be going number eight over all of the Falcons. I don't even think he'd get there. Honestly. Didn't even think he would get there. And you're right. The Falcons would have been the perfect home for him. I actually

am like 99% sure they would have taken him. But like we said, we don't know if he would have been the perfect home for him. I actually am like 99% sure they would have taken him. But like we said, we don't know if he would have been there. So Nolan Smith, good player, small, got hurt this year. So I really love his ability off the ball. I think as much as the pass rushing ability. I called him a middleweight fighter in a heavyweight arena. And it's not even disrespect. Like he,

he survives. Like it's impressive. It's like, wow, you, you're constantly fighting bigger weight classes and you're holding your own. And that's impressive. I think what's funny with Nolan Smith is the things he should not be able to do,

like setting a hard edge, making plays against the run, dirty work stuff. He's really good at. Right. The things that I thought he'd be amazing at rushing the passer on an island. He's not consistent at all. He can't generate any speed to power. He doesn't really possess a lot of pass rush moves

i thought but he's so damn explosive yep it doesn't always matter which is fascinating to me i want to pull up his uh profile i wrote because i i want to do say the things he was i did compare him to son reddick so i just think he's a good player this is how he wins he has a quick first step uh rushes off and hit his stalemate with lack of lower drive power successful move is that euro step and he chops down offensive tackles arms and creates angles because he's he's like kind of you know twist his body and play skinny so i like nolan smith but i i do think in that NFL front seven arena, it might take a little time, honestly. I agree with you completely on him.

There were just maybe five, six, seven reps that I watched where I went, yep, just give him to me. We'll figure it out. Like, get him with a pass rush specialist, and we're going to figure it out. Where he was attacking the outside shoulder with his ears pinned back, didn't have to worry about what was going on behind him, and he's just smoking offensive tackles. There were, yeah, like I said, six, seven, eight plays that I watched

through three or four games of his. And I know people are going to say, like, oh, it's not very many plays. Like, how are you weighting him that heavily? Well, you have to understand where he is, and you're not going to see that consistently. You can't write in a scouting report, oh, we're not going to see it consistently, and then, like, ding him twice when you don't see it consistently. You got to look for the flashes. If the flashes are there, maybe those can be the consistent plays.

And so I was all in on him there. He just, he's very talented he's somebody that i think you take high and that you that you develop so i got levis at 12 yeah where do you have levis where do you have levis levis i have in the 30s let me find it i have him 30 38 heathen yeah pretty diabolical, I will admit. Dude, I think Levis is a starting quarterback in the NFL. Is he going to be a pro bowler? I don't know.

But I think Will Levis is going to be a starting quarterback in the NFL for a while. I do. I think that if you put him... Now, hopefully, I would love for him to go to a good spot. If he goes to houston obviously okay we got some work to do there you know if he goes to the colts i think we could be cooking with oil pretty quickly depends on the spot for how early we might see returns on will levis because he certainly has consistency issues and things with pocket management how he's reading the field just split decision making stuff how he's reading the defense in the pre and the post snap like all of those things i know he just said a bunch of buzzwords there but overall he's reading the field, just split decision-making stuff, how he's reading the defense and the pre and the post snap, like all of those things. I know he just said a bunch

of buzzwords there, but overall, he's just very green for the position. Last year in 2021 was the only year that he really had anything around him. He had a good offensive line. He had some good running backs. He had some good pass catchers to throw to. And what you saw was a really good product from the first year starting quarterback. This past year, horrific start supporting cast, terrible offensive line, bad wide receivers, bad play call. Like it was all bad for him. It was never going to really look good. So he didn't even progress the way that you would want him to.

I ultimately believe in a lot of the tools that I saw from him. Maybe I'll get burned from it, but I think he's a starting quarterback in the NFL. And if I think that that's the case between the years then he's certainly got the arm to stick around for a long time and that's why it's like again positional importance if you nail it on quarterback you you just take a jump up as a team and so that's why i had him at number 12. he reminded me a little bit of jordan love coming out where the deficiencies are and the shortcomings are the same but the talent is worthy of being a first round pick

would jordan go 27th i think they moved up like to 26th or 27th but 26 you know and if lev i think the picture would paint be painted very differently if that's how levis was being projected that's where i struggle with this being a top five pick is wildly different from being the back end of a round one pick and i value levis as an end of a round one pick. And I value Levis as an end of round one needs to sit quarterback. And he is not going to be drafted like that at all. At all. I think his timing like it.

Yeah, the timing and accuracy is just not NFL ready. It's not. But there are so many good things to his game. But when you're going to be 24 going into your first training camp and concerns list starts with timing and accuracy i get scared and i think it could be cleaned up

and then naturally it'll be cleaned up because his wide receiver has dropped 15 passes in 2022 and he was pressured on 38 of his dropbacks rough i mean brutal yeah so maybe i'm i'm low on levis compared to a lot of people but i just wish his picture was being painted differently and he's not going to be afforded that luxury where do you have uh where do you have anton harrison anton oh you're way lower on him. Yeah, Anton ended up at 54. Damn, why? He's 20 for me. He really struggles to cover ground laterally in pass pro. And he's going to be a liability until he fixes that. And I get scared of, I think he's a left tackle. That's his problem.

It's going to come up in thefl a lot against these quick twitch rushers there's a lot to love about anton harris and one i thought he got so much better this year he has excellent straight line speed he got a lot stronger this year i think he's built how you want to tackle built yep so to me it was early uh mid early day two ish because he was an offensive tackle so he should go earlier yeah i would like to not see him thrown into the fire or if he is you you know what the problem is and you're gonna have a running back kind of in past pro sometimes cheat to that or have a tight end chip the outside so harrison has a cheat on the inside like he's he's a good player but he just he needs to desperately clean that up to that or have a tight end chip the outside so harrison has a cheat on the inside like

he's he's a good player but he just he needs to desperately clean that up uh i wanted to ask you about lucas van ness because i believe you had him at 32. yeah uh i had him at 21 so we see him a little differently and well here's the why we need to talk about it vaness is probably going in the top 10 and I have him 21 and you have him 32. So there are like three tiers to how this is going right now. I have Van Ness at 32 and I have Tyree Wilson at 33. And I'm going to be honest, like I've been consistent with that for a year, though. I thought I was going to be lower on them than 32 and 33. Like I thought they were going to be barely top 50 players for me.

But there's not a lot of players in this class that i would just put ahead of them so i didn't want to like put them way down on the board just to make a statement because that's not what my big board is about so this is this is where i found a home for him and honestly these are two guys that i can see why you believe in him i think vaness has a really good speed to power profile. I think he's a really powerful dude who's going to give you 100%. Those are good skills. Has no idea what he's doing as a pass rusher outside of speed to power or a bull rush. That's about it.

Everything else I think is really green for him. Him not starting at Iowa, I think, is something that people are just brushing over. I mean, he's a former interior defensive lineman who lost some weight. Now he's trying to play on the edge. him not starting at Iowa, I think is something that people are just brushing over. I mean, he's a former interior defensive lineman who lost some weight. Now he's trying to play on the edge. He's trying to be a little bit of a longer, more explosive edge rusher.

And I maybe want, would have rather seen that athleticism on the interior. Like, I wonder what this dude would have been like if he would have stuck around on the interior defensive line, you put a little bit of extra weight on him. Maybe he's like a three technique, but he's just super explosive.

He's great with power. He could really get into interior offensive lineman's chest he could use his long arms like i wonder if this dude would have been better as a three technique because right now he just doesn't really know what he's doing outside of a power profile for an edge player and he is really athletic for his size i don't want to again he's he's 32 on my board it's not like he's 132 no no he's a good football player but there's a lot of guys who can do speed to power that will come through over the next year or two throughout the draft so that's not that's not a super unique trait to me and then for tyree wilson it's kind of the

same thing that you said you know you you talked about the highs of what he could be um i i didn't see him explode off the snap super consistently. I didn't see him nearly as violent as other people are bragging him to be as consistently as I would have needed to see. He's long. He's tough to stay in front of. Um, when he hits you with a good pass rush move, especially when he goes on the inside, it's pretty nasty. But this is a fifth year player who was at Texas A&M, I think for a year and a half and

then transferred over. Didn't really make a ton of noise until this past season, so I think it's taken a little bit for him to figure it out. And that's not the worst thing in the world. Some guys are just a little bit later bloomers, but it's something to consider. It does matter, though. I think these two guys are good NFL players. But the way that we're talking about them right now, you mentioned Tyree Wilson going number two overall.

You mentioned Lucas Van Ness going top 10, maybe like eight to the Falcons or something like that. That's the one I'm thinking. To me, that's too rich for these two dudes. I think you're betting, you're betting heavily on hitting their highs more consistently than they showed you they would in college, which is okay.

It's what the NFL draft is about, but those are the reasons why I'm lower on them. I just, I did not see, yeah, this guy's for sure going to be good in the NFL as like a consistent starter. So you want to do 26 through 50? Yeah, sure. Yeah. Okay.

I'll power read these and then we'll hop around much more after you do yours. 26th, John Michael Schmitz, the center from Minnesota. 27, Will McDonald, the edge rusher from Iowa State. 28, Darnell Wright, tackle from Tennessee. 29, Cam Smith, the corner from South Carolina. 30, Deontay Banks, the corner from Maryland. I like both of them a lot. I think they're going to be starting corners on the outside for a while.

31, Keon White, the edge from Georgia Tech. 32, Osiris Torrance, guard from Florida. 33, Quentin Johnston, the wide receiver from TCU. 34, Trenton Simpson, athletic linebacker from Clemson. 35, my guy, Cedric Tillman, wide receiver from Tennessee. 36, Zay Flowers, the wide receiver from Boston College. 37, Don Kincaid, tight end from Utah. Love his pass catching floor.

38, Will Levis, quarterback from Kentucky. 39, Steve Avila, guard and center from TCU. 40, Jalen Hyatt, wide receiver from Tennessee. 41, Matthew Bergeron, who I think will move to guard at the NFL from Syracuse. 42, Hendon Hooker, quarterback from Tennessee. 43, Brian Brzee, interior D-line Clemson. 44,

Keely Ringo, corner from Georgia that might be suited better to play safety. We'll see. 45, Tuli Tui-Pilotu, the edge from USC. 46, Keanu Benton, D-tackle Wisconsin. 47, Antonio Johnson, safety from Texas A&M.

48, DJ Turner, the corner from Michigan 49, Clark Phillips corner from Utah and 50 Zach Charbonnet running back UCLA. All right. I'll, I'll read off mine. And if there's any major differences, we can, we can hit it with a question from you and we can talk about that. 26, I got Matthew Berger on the interior offensive lineman who can also play often to tackle from syracuse i think he's fantastic man i think this is one of the best football players in this class i think he's going to be a starter in the nfl no matter where he ends up playing i got quentin johnson from tcu the wide receiver at 27 drew sanders linebacker from arkansas i do have him as linebacker one just because of the upside of the pass rushing ability

at number 28 um i think that was a revisit i think i ended up swapping him and jack campbell so i got your standards up there 28 bjo jalari the edge rusher from lsu 29 emmanuel forbes the corner from mississippi state at 30 where did you have forbes do you mention forbes yet no we're gonna talk about that one i have forbes 59th okay all right yeah we can we can start there in a second zay flowers from boston college wide receiver 31. Lucas Van Ness and Tyree Wilson, 32-33. Josh Jones, the wide receiver from North Carolina, 34. Will McDonald, edge rusher, Iowa State at 35. Tyreek Stevenson, somebody that I really like in this class.

Corner from Miami at 36. Felix Anand, DK Uzama at 37. DJ Turner, the corner from Michigan at 8. DeJuan Jones, the offensive tackle from Ohio State at 39. Brian Brzee from Clemson at 40. Steve Avila, the interior offensive tackle from Ohio State at 39. Brian Brzee from Clemson at 40. Steve Avila, the interior offensive lineman from TCU at 41. Mazzy Smith, the interior defensive lineman from Michigan at 42. Osiris Torrance, the interior offensive lineman from Florida at 43.

Jerkavius Martin from Illinois at number 44, the safety slash nickel corner there. John Michael Schmitz, the interior offensive lineman from Minnesota at 45. Sidney Brown, the safety from Illinois at 46. Sam Laporte, the tight end from Iowa at 47. Jordan Addison, the wide receiver from USC at 48. Jack Campbell, the linebacker from Iowa at 49 is LB2. And then Keely Ringo,

cornerback from Georgia at 50. Okay, so I think you're going to be high man in the draft on sydney brown there's nothing wrong with that just an observation good good football player insane football player wild man in the defense plays free safety strong safety linebacker nickel corner i really liked what i saw from him up close in mobile how he moves he misses a lot of tackles so that's the problem so that i think that's why he missed a lot of tackles you hone in on the tackles and

you've got a you have got a heat seeking player yeah he likes i like those brown brothers are freaks athletically super super athletic incredible high football like football iq he has the ability to play so many different spots. I get it. I'm probably going to be highest on Sidney Brown, but so be it. Talk to me about Forbes. Dude, here's the thing. You and I had this conversation.

We've had it on this very podcast. I wanted to put other corners above Forbes. I really did. He's just better. He is he is he is one of those guys where it's like he is small unprecedentedly small we know this percentile weight if if you throw it at him you know you're probably running through him but he's a willing tackler. He's still trying to throw his body in there. And he's just so quick twitch. The recovery speed's unbelievable.

He likes to get his arms on wide receivers, even though he can't be overly physical to reroute him. His recovery speed is fantastic. You go back and you watch a lot of those interceptions from this past year. We mentioned, yeah, sometimes it's right place, right time. Sometimes it's opportunistic. But I went back and I watched a lot of the forced incompletions from him as well.

And a lot of them are him making a play on the ball, him recovering, him playing it well in the air, him having great eye hand eye coordination with the body turning. And I, it's just, I really do think that if he was 180, 185 pounds, we'd be talking about this dude in the top 20 now he's not right we have he's not even close he's not he's not even close that way i don't even know if he's going to be able to get up into 170 70s in the nfl because i read that he came into mississippi state like 165 so you're waiting this is just what he's always you're waiting at the combine of 166 bro meal plans give you 15 pounds by default i know make peanut butter sandwiches and the night every night with a peanut butter sandwich protein shake bb and j you will put on the weight but he

he just is so much of playing corner really really. And maybe the weight will flush him out of the league. Maybe he just will not be able to stand up. But for the talent that he has and how he plays the position, he's a multi-sport athlete going back to high school. Like this dude's just a natural. And I went back to his tape and I watched his tape a bunch over the last two weeks because, again, I wanted to have other corners above him. I wanted to be able to say, nope, can't do it because of the weight.

And I kept coming back to the fact that in this class, he's just a really good football player and that stands out. So. I wanted to ask you then on the counter, Jordan Addison at 48 behind the likes of josh downs i mean after that it's not like say he's wide receiver five for me he's five for you yeah but that's pretty that's pretty late for the bullock and off winner i it's it's funny because it is it It's the same argument for Forbes, right? He is small. He's very small. And I believe in Forbes to kind of be able to hide the weight issues. And I don't really believe it with Addison. I think Addison is too small.

And limited athletically sounds really harsh because I don't think he's like a bad athlete. He's just not the kind of athlete you would want for a player who is as small as he is you would want a little bit more there like you would want speed change of direction explosiveness to all be major trump cards for him and they're fine for him but they're not major trump cards i don't think he is super polished as a receiver understands understands route running, understands leverage, loves to hit guys in the double move separation artist. That stuff can play in the NFL.

I think if he can make up for the size concern. So I don't really believe he has the size to play on the outside, which means he's just, I think he's probably just a slot player. So then how does he deal with contested catches consistently over the middle getting hit getting bumped you know like is he going to be a yards after the catch guy is going to go down too easily after first contact like there's a lot of wide open spaces in pittsburgh's offense the year before and usc's offense this past year now he creates some of that his own but i'm skeptical man i think i'd be of the camp of i'd probably let someone else draft Jordan Addison for where he's probably going to be picked in this class.

All right. So I think we should move to our 50 to 100 rankings and we're not going to read them. If you're listening to the show and mine are posted or and Trevor's are posted and I'll try to get mine up or even earlier than Wednesday. It's really just a formatting thing. It's not really doing the rankings, but we'll jump around here. And if you can pull them up now, I want to look at yours really rather than sit here.

I'm like, oh, it was so hard. Yeah, that's probably a good way to do it. Yeah. I mean, I really liked Jartavius Martin. You like him more, but he was just a steady riser for me throughout this entire thing. He ended up 68th on my board.

I feel like I'm, where did you have Dion Henley? I should just F for this, but. Yeah, where do I have Henley? 67. Oh, okay. Where do you have? I feel like we're low on him. Yeah.

75th. Okay. I like Dion Henley. Yeah, we're in the same direction but like small run and chase linebackers i traditionally don't unless you're trenton simpson who's insane in my opinion okay you have her okay hold on you have wisconsin edge rusher nick herbig at 60 i have them at 76 so i don't have them that far behind yep Yep. Where's he playing in the NFL? He falls into that.

Like he's an off ball linebacker, like a rush backer because I feel like I'm going to get burned again. Like I did with Zach Vaughn. I know. And I have the same fear and, but I just watch him and I love him. He's like, he is a great pass rusher.

The first step is phenomenal. Yes. Phenomenal. Knows what he's doing. Can attack either shoulder. A hundred percent. But he is, hold on. Let me sort this for edge rushers.

For edge rushers, he is 15th percentile in height, third percentile in weight, second percentile in arm length. So he's not an edge rusher. You can't play this guy on the edge. He's a standup linebacker. He's just So he's not an edge rusher. You can't play this guy on the edge. He's a stand-up linebacker. That's going to be very specific for teams. But honestly, Trevor, I think he's a good player. I do too, but that's what I try to do with Zach Vaughn.

Yeah, I think he's a more polished rusher than Vaughn. That's fair. If you can rush the passer, you can play. And that's what it kept coming back to with her big where i'm like this dude took over some games he took over some games so if you and you listen here's the part of the draft that you have to really crank down on if nick herbig ends up and i don't think this will happen ends up being a pass rush specialist only but he's a really good one sure that'll probably be a top 75 player in this draft honestly it's not the draft's kind of cheeks like so I put him at 60 and I'm like am I too high on him and I'm like I don't

maybe I will be but I don't feel that like I can't justify him not being a top 75 player in this draft. Oh, we got, we got two major differences. Okay. Okay. The first one is you had Trenton Simpson, I think at 34, right? I have him at 61. Okay. Sizable gap.

I'm just, I'm kind of worried he's only like a former safety who happened to play linebacker in clemson's really weird defense i i hated everything about their usage of him thank you like i was like legitimately angry watching how they used him like clicking close pursued ability sideline to sideline he's got it for days. He's got the speed for you. Yep. But even, like, the traditional off-ball linebacker stuff, they don't even ask him to do it, I don't think. They just let Jeremiah Trotter Jr., who's next to him,

do a lot of the traditional linebacker stuff, and therefore Simpson can just kind of roam free in a lot of different ways. They can play him as an apex defender. They can play him as an edge guy. They can play him as an edge guy. They can play him as a, as an off ball linebacker. Like he's, he is one who I had him in the sixties.

I had him 61. Cause he's a good player. And he's a, got a great background and you stick around and leave for a while. But like, I firmly had him as, as a second round pick. Cause I can't

have him higher than that he might burn me like darren lee again but jet's great just great but he twitter legend twitter yeah real twitter legend jesus i think simpson is tougher, thicker, and faster. All right. So I'm like, even you look at Simpson, right? I think you can kind of put him in that third down stand up, scream off the edge role, like run as fast as you can, and you'll wreak havoc. So I just didn't, I didn't think Clemson was creative enough with him and i'm a big

projection swing from me no denying that um somebody i i should probably bring you know who i really love in this 51 to 100 range and he's at 84 for me kobe turner the d line from wake forest oh do i have kobe turner higher than you i thought i'm 79 there you go i just thought he had phenomenal film like phenomenal he is uh he is day two khalid jacanzi if khalid jacanzi doesn't go on day two yeah this guy didn't even get invited to the combine stupid stupid what are we doing stupid i don't i don't know what he would have had to do to get invited to the combine stupid stupid what are we doing stupid i don't i don't know what he would have had to do to get invited to the combine shrine guy great season i don't i didn't get it i i watch and i'm like am i just like way off here i'm putting them at 84 so to hear you have them

five spots ahead of that is it's a good cross check where did you where'd you have um jaylen hyatt 40th i think in the grand scheme of things oh did you have him that high yeah 40th oh yeah you got a 40th i have jaylen hyatt 81st wow yeah you're you're out i think he's a one trick pony he is but it works. It worked at Tennessee. Where do you have Clark Phillips? This one hurt me. 49th.

And I thought about dropping him further, and I sat there, took a deep breath, and was like, don't move that far away from the film. I have him 82. And I i get it i might hate myself for it i kept thinking he's small and he's not a great athlete like usually if that's the case for you i am out i know i know but i i feel like this is like one of my children going back to last summer i know he's a dog, dude. He is a dog.

I like him. He's got instincts. He's got instincts that make up for him being an average at best athlete. There's one game specifically. I can't remember which game I watched, but he actually predominantly plays in the slot in this in the game that I watched. And he looked incredibly uncomfortable oh he that's the problem like he looks like on the inside so the bucks drafted mj stewart let me actually this this

is now i'm saying this out i remember mj so mj stewart from north carolina was Stuart from North Carolina was... I thought he was a safety. 5'10.5", 200 pounds, 31.14 arm length, and a 4'5.4", 40-yard dash. Not good athletic scores in a broad jump or vertical jump. Didn't have good cone drills either. He reminds me of Clark Phillips because the Bucks drafted MJ Stewart and tried to play him at nickel corner. And he straight up just wasn't good enough of an athlete. He just couldn't keep up.

He couldn't turn the hips fast enough he didn't have the recovery speed and he didn't have the arm length to affect the catch point for the variety of different receivers that that team's put in the slot i'm super worried that phillips's arm length because it's like first second or third i can't remember what it is it's like 20 racks out there i'm worried that the arm length is going to not let him play on the outside. Teams are going to say he's only a slot player. And then his athleticism isn't good enough to survive in the slot. I'm super worried about that.

That's why I had, I dropped them all the way to the eighties and it hurt me to do so. Cause I love the football player, but I can just, I can too easily see a way where he gets washed out into a non-contributing role you almost need him to be dj reed and that's a big outlier and i'm betting on it like dj ran 451 at 59 188 and dj's got longer arms there's no arms no denying that he's got longer arms. There's no arms. No denying that he's got longer arms,

but DJ is just this weird five nine player that is so good on the outside and like pound for pound strength. And this doesn't surprise me that Clark Phillips had 18 reps on the bench. He's like a muscle hamster. Clark Phillips. He, he doesn't really give a shit that he's five nine one 84. He's strong as hell.

It's definitely one that we're going to revisit. I couldn't let it go. I had to keep him in the top 50, even if it was at 49. Some dudes, you just, you kind of take your dice and you go, you know what, I just believe in you. Because you play a different way out there. That if you're at least passing thresholds now arm length he doesn't pass the threshold but speed he does

he didn't run like a four six right then it's i'm gonna take that you really and me and you always emphasize this on the podcast you pick your spots like am i gonna have 10 clark phillips in the top 50 hell no no. I got him. I don't even really know how many outliers I really had. I mean, of course, Bryce, but everybody thinks Bryce is an outlier. So that's not really that bold. I don't know how many outliers you had up top. I mean, not many.

Not many. Honestly, no, not many at all. Cowards. They're outliers for a reason. Safe, safe ass big board down here. The safest. Bubble-wrapped big board. You had Siaki at 83. Disappointing.

That one I let go. I had him at 92. Yeah, we let that one go. Summer fave. You had Roshan Johnson running back from Texas at 81. I think I had him 94, so sort of the same area. I think he's like a third round pick. Definitely somebody I think you should draft in the third round.

Where'd you have Jonathan Mingo? A lot higher. A lot higher at the end. Yeah, yeah. I rewatched him, and I think, so you liked Mingo a lot more than I did when we were going through the wide receiver rankings i changed a few by the way like on the back end i was a little higher on jayden reed than i was

on the show xavier hutchinson a little more yeah nothing crazy but yeah final final was in quotation marks so i went back and watched jonathan mingo because some people reached out to me and they're like dude you're like you're being too hard on the drop passes because i was like i and you guys remember my conversation about Mingo I was like man I like a lot about his game I think he's a well-rounded athlete I think he moves really well for his size um I didn't give yards after the catch like I think he is a pretty all-around wide receiver I was just worried about catching and people were like dude you're overblowing the drop passes and went back and I watched a couple more games I'm like you know this guy's kind of

legit like this guy is this guy's pretty dang good. So I ended up putting him in the seventies. Oh, what did I, what did I, who did I want to bring up? You've got Israel Abunakonda at the running back from Pittsburgh at 70. Yeah. I got him 105. Okay. So I got him 105. Okay. So I got him outside of the top 100. There's one.

Dude could freaking run like the wind. He just flies. He can run like the wind. All right. I don't think the offense had any interest in involving him in the pass game. I don't think he's a good pass protector. But in the NFL, if you just find those outlet throws to him and get him in space he can

just run like the wind and he glides i think if you get him in a real outside zone scheme in a class that didn't really have skill talent that you're you know makes you jump out of your skin i was comfortable with him at that range in the third round all right okay that sounds good uh anybody else you want to bring up or you want want to go 100 to 100? We might have one more here. I got to do a little search. You had Derek Hall a lot higher than I did. And I was, you know, I wanted to put Derek Hall a lot higher on my list. You had him 58.

I had him like in the 90s, man. I have one guy in my top 100 that you don't have in your top 150. Oh, who? Anthony Bradford. Oh, I have him in my top 75. The guard from LSU. This dude, man, like. Yeah.

He's got a ways to go in pass, bro. I know it. I think I just thought he was a regular offensive guard. I think he's right outside my top 150, if that makes sense. I thought he just played a different mauler's way than a lot of dudes in this class like he really he he's he's a big tractor trailer out in front in the sec but you know he's got a ways to go and pass bro and that's probably why he he will fall a little bit so i had derrick 93. You had him 58.

I wanted Derek Hall to be a lot higher because I actually, I like a lot of the singular snaps I've seen from him. There are some individual reps where I go, man, this guy could really rush to pass her. Yep. Problem is, I think he's just constantly searching for contact. He really is. It's almost like he just, he, it's almost, it's almost like he wants to make contact with people first and then hit a

pass rush move. It's like, no, no, no. Hit the pass rush move before you make the contact. And he just, he, he consistently attacks the full man instead of the half man, right. Instead of attacking the outside shoulder or the inside shoulder, trying to get the offensive tackle turned around one way or the other because you're putting all your weight on one side he's like putting his weight like into people completely and then he's trying to rip move or then he's trying to club and swim or i just in order for him to actually be the pass rusher that i want him to

be he's got to utilize not making contact before he has a pass rush move it feels like that's a little nitpicky for me no i get it i don't know if he's ever going to be okay with that not being his style maybe he just loves contact maybe he's just like a wants to be a speed to power guy at all times sometimes it's so funny hearing you say this all those things and you look at his body isn't it so funny how schools do this sometimes everything you said is carl lawson everything you said oh like under six foot three just so much muscle packed into this body there's muscles on muscles. Straight line explosiveness. He's so explosive that he just wants, he wants in the heart of the fight.

Like, he's like, I'm not trying to go around you. I'm trying to go through you. And I get it. I don't think Derek Hall is Carl Lawson, but it's just funny how that happens. Anybody else? Are we moving on? I think we're moving on. Okay.

All right. 150 to 100. See anybody? Yeah. I think we're moving on. Okay. All right. 150 to 100. See anybody? Yeah. I guess I scroll down to yours. So here's one that I struggled with because I really like him. And I see you really like him. I had him at 176 because I just can't wrap my head around his size.

And that's Keaton Mitchell. It's just tough to play running back in the nfl when you're 179 but he can run like the wind i get that yeah but he's good like is he just a gadget guy at that size probably but i mean like you're not like in love with him you haven't met 102 it's just like dude if you're drafting keaton mitchell in the fourth round you're feeling you're i think yeah he's your change of pace yeah i think you're loving it i think you're cool with it you're on 112 yeah what do you have matt i don't know where do i have deuce right now hold on deuce is 230 for me no i can't do it can't do it He's too good. He's too good at the game football. He's your Clark Phillips.

Sure. He's five foot five, 179 pounds, and he ran a. Hold on. What did he run? Not good. No, I had to let him go. I had to let it broke my heart. I had to let him run at the combine.

He did a pro day run, which is even worse. He ran a 4.56. I mean, he's 5'5". And his three cone was 7'1". I just can't. You know what? I hope he's great. I do, too.

Yeah, you do. I let that one go. It hurt. Oh, you have Corey Trice to Purdue Corner at 124. I admit. that one go it hurt oh you have cory trice the purdue corner at 124 i am in it i am at 62 okay you're i'm way higher on him than you are and i i thought i liked him i guess not it's funny how like you see someone else's board and you're like oh you know what it is with Trice? There's a lot of projecting there because he tore the ACL in 2021.

Right. He came back, I think, late this year. Yep. He's got a lot. I wrote him up, actually, already in full for the Badlands Guide. What did I say about Trice? You know what something else I noticed about him is when I was reading Dane Brugler's draft guide, which everybody should go get over at The Athletic, a little nugget that I didn't realize or didn't think about is Corey Trice was wearing a knee brace because of the torn ACL when he came back to play. I'm sure he got this from coaches that he injured his groin because he had the knee

breaks because it was just like a different type of stress on his legs. So he was also playing this past year, not only coming off of an ACL injury, but also injured his groin. So if you think, OK, you're out from now, the groin is going to be good to go. Hopefully he's got more confidence in the knee. You go back a couple of years ago and this dude was playing really, really good football before he got hurt. And I think he played good football

last year, too. So I love the size, speed, size is a combination. Yes. And I'm betting on it. I'm betting on it. Yeah. Trice just got buried

in a really good corner class for me. He's corner 16. He's in the top 150. I thought he struggled to locate the ball a lot, but he's so long and fast that didn't hurt him as much as it should i i think i liked that version of the player better in terrell smith honestly okay like that i watched terrell smith that length and speed you should try to sneak

him in this week if you can all right yeah i i was shocked by terrell smith because his first couple years there as a starter, he really was not great. And you watch him this year and you're like, he just figured it all out. He's comfortable in phase. He's long. He's fast. I liked Brents better than Trice. You know, I don't know why nobody likes him.

And I'm trying to see where you have him right now. Okay, so you do. Why does nobody like Riley Moss? Like, I don't get it. What do people want from him? He tested really good. He played excellent football in college. Yeah.

He's a legitimate cornerback. I got him at 139. Yeah. That's fine. I think he's an off-coverage only corner. 90% of the league feels like they are these days. Okay. I don't know, man.

He's a really good player. He's got a little something to him. The corners that I would put in the got a little something to him in this class, Witherspoon, Clark Phillips, Riley Moss. I need five on the graphic. Got a little something to him. Maybe Trey Hodges Tomlinson just because he's so small and feisty.

He does have a little something to him. He's got a little something to him. I mean, I think he's too small, but he does have a little something to him. He is very tiny. I don't have my fifth for that list yet. Maybe the Kai Blackman. He's got a little something to him. But, yeah, I liked Riley Moss,

considering nobody really seems to even be taking him seriously. So I was glad to see you had him in the top 150. I want to look through more of your list here. I'm just out on Kaysha butte and if it if it bites me it bites me i just i'm done dude i'm done like there's not where'd i have him uh he just made it for you just made it and i i probably i think watched i probably watched like 175 players if i'm being honest maybe it's closer to 200 i can't remember what the number ended up being, but yeah, I will let someone else traffic. Yep.

One 92 for me. I should probably look into it. If you liked any of the actual quarterbacks in this class, outside of the guys, we always, here's one 33 for me. Yeah. Hainer Hainer Hainer's. Okay. So we're, we're in on the same exact two Hainer and DTR.

Yeah, they're right. They're right there. I have McKee and Aiden O'Connell a little bit ahead of them, but. OK, same McKee for me. I had just sneaking into the top one. He's ninety ninth. For me, McKee is one ten for me. I had Hainer one forty four.

I DTR one twenty three. OK, I like Hainer more than I had DTR 123. Okay. I like Hainer more than DTR, but... I thought both of them were like, oh, these guys will be backups for a long time. Yeah, I think so too. They really will. I had Henn and Hooker 68. Okay.

I think I had him in the 40s. Okay. Oh, speaking of, I had Nick Saldivari, the interior offensive line from Old Dominion. I got him at 69. Okay, you really like him. I just think... I had S Saldaveri, the interior offensive line from old dominion. I got him at 69. Okay. You really like him.

I just think he's a very one 20. I don't know. Offensive lineman, man. I actually think he's a tackle. I see some people talking about him, not playing tackle. I evaluated him as a tackle.

I can, I can, I could see him being either. I can really see him being a guy or because, and I guess the reason why I'm so much higher on him, even after the offensive line episode that we did is i just think he's a damn good offensive lineman and people are probably tired of hearing me say that but like there are some guys who you just watch them play

and they get it they're comfortable with the hand fighting they're comfortable with other dudes like getting into their chest they don't panic they don't freak out about it they don't have temper tantrums they're not over aggressive like they just they're smooth they get it they know what they're there to do they're they're not afraid to be the big boys out there and and sell the very to me feels like a guy who's very comfortable being an offensive player and i think that that goes a long way i really i heard rave reviews about him from coaches that got to interview him they were like old dominion kid like two thumbs up love it it. Just awesome dude. That'll figure it out.

Same with Olu. Olu with Timmy. Heard such great things about him. Not surprised there. I just don't know if he's got the quickness. That's the one thing with him where you're like, man, I wish he moved just a little better. Yeah. For a center.

Yeah. He didn't test well. You were way higher on Luke Whipler, by the way, i am yeah i like whipler a lot i really do whipler whipler is another guy who i just don't know if he's athletic enough to survive in the league he's super smart i totally gets it maybe he's so smart that i thought he moved better than he actually does like i always found him in the right place i i think that's anticipation i got some athleticism questions with him but that's why he's where'd he end up being for me 107 i think he was in the 50s for you

yeah he's up there i liked him better than tippmann not by much but a little better than tippmann if you can't tell by listening to this we both did not like the safety class at all at all obviously i liked uh jartavius martin and cindy brown they're both in my top 20 or sorry not top 20 top 50 i got antonio johnson from texas a&m at 66 i got jordan battle at 87 i got jamie robinson at 103 jay brown at. Chris disappointed me by the way. Same. Like we, we were tweeted about him a lot during the season and I get it.

He made some nice plays. Yeah. His bad plays are like, you can't have them out there. The animals. Yeah. The, you got to think about like the word safety.

Yes. You, you are, you are literally the, you are this safety blanket. Essentially. You are the last line of defense. You've got to be as rock solid as it comes.

And I just don't think Brown is very consistent. I also don't get JL Skinner. Couldn't tell you. He's a linebacker. That isn't physical. Item 113, and I know he's been much higher than that for people i got him 130 yeah i don't blame you i don't i don't think you could turn a run with slot players and receivers no he needs to cover tight ends that's it yeah but not you know what you know what i liked about him though best

the wearing jl per him jl doesn't stand for anything what that's what i found when i was researching him it doesn't i think it was on the boise state page it's just jl yeah so is it joel let's see even his wik Wikipedia just says JL Skinner. You know how guys always have their full names? Right. I could have swore I found this on Boise State's page. Or like a Boise State write-up.

I might have to move him up then. She's bold enough to have two letters as your first name? He's like, I'm JL and that's what you're going to call me. Wow. Figure it out. Respect. I kind of want to, I wish I had, and that's what you're going to call me. Wow. Figure it out. Respect. I kind of want to, I wish I had the Cajons to do that. I had Rashid Rice at 97, or 96.

You had him a lot lower. I think you had him like 120-something. Yeah, I just don't know if his play style is going to win. Yeah. I mean, you heard my rant on the wide receiver episode. He has to completely rebrand who he is as a wide receiver. Yeah, he needs to rebrand. Now, if he does, I think that could work in the league.

Can't be a contested catch wide receiver at six feet tall the way that he is. He's not that fast. Just be an after the catch guy. Looking through the rest of yours. You know, a player that i thought i wouldn't like and i i guess i i did like him more than i thought is jekyll and roy i see you have him at 143 i mean i didn't like love him i had him 90 95 95 to his credit he gets held so much and never gets a freaking call. And I'm like, man.

That's on him. That's on him. You got to sell it, brother. You got to sell it. Like, just fall and flail and scream. But no, he plays hard. He's not really an overly gifted guy in terms of, you know, I want to see what he actually, like,

I didn't think he was this, like, great athlete. But he plays so, yeah, his three cone was this like great athlete, but he plays so. Yeah, his three cone was an 801, which is just horrific. But straight line power and effort and having that big body in there thrown around in the trenches like he. I was like, OK, he's actually he's a useful rotational defensive lineman in a class that it's like. You're just screaming to find one. All right. right that's fine this could be a 14 hour show we know packaging a big board show is the like always the hardest thing we do because what are you what are you gonna do right you guys you guys got takes we know you do hit us up in the youtube comments youtube.com backslash at nfl

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you can hit us up on Twitter to Instagram at Tampa Bay Trey at Connor J. Rogers. Rest of the week, we have a rumors episode that I'm hoping we get to release um although travel plans might get in the way of that we'll see we will have a final flying's fun right now isn't it for anybody that doesn't know out there flying is uh it's really just unbelievable at this point how dreadful it's a zoo it's become we will have a final mock draft episode we will have a final predictive mock draft episode at the very least we will also have a night one recap on thursday night slash early friday morning whatever you want to call it which we will release to you guys as soon as you possibly can and then you won't hear from us until sunday when we do a 32 team grades for the entire nfl draft a lot of you guys

have also been asking like hey what are the draft plans with the podcast you guys streaming live yes no well we're not we're not we're not streaming live i will be on the desk for pfs go thursday night friday night and then saturday all the way throughout day three we'll also be doing a recap show as well from cincinnati so we'll have four shows for you guys over on pff's channels. That's where I'm going to be throughout the draft. Connor, you are on a desk for night one and two. What are you doing? Yeah, night one.

Definitely. We are out of the NBC studio or happy hour set that we use every week. We will be taping reactions and releasing them like on the right away to the picks. And then we will be doing the same thing for days two and three probably picking our spots um although not always from there i think i might be doing it from here and then i'll also do a lot of smy's coverage thursday obviously i will be at nbc so i will be taping into their show thursday sunday night i will as we always do the draft the Jets draft

recap hour-long special in studio for SMY so that my my four days in a row are a little all over the place but it'll be a lot of content that um is on demand I would call it more so than you needing to be present live so go watch, please have that live stream going. It'll be awesome. And obviously just if you follow both of us, you won't miss anything throughout the couple of days. Yeah. So I wanted to make sure that you guys. Yeah, we've got a lot of questions about that.

And we like we've been seeing them and wanted to answer. It's just like you never like you want to make sure plans are finalized. Right, right, right. So that was my way of trying to get that out to the masses in uh in one single swoop so all you guys could hear it there uh if you guys don't have a pff subscription you can do so right now by going over to pff.com and you get 40 off a yearly subscription if you use the promo code draft 40 that's d-r-a-f-t four zero and that'll get you 40 off that's a fantastic deal almost half off folks that's how math works

and so you know you get the draft guy you get all the rankings you get all the unlocked stats everything if you get the subscription so if you don't have one now is a fantastic time to do it draft draft 40 that's the promo code that's the best way to do it connor got anything else before we get out of here no i mean we'll be talking to the people at least one more time we before the draft we'll figure it out with our final predictive mock i know you and i are just releasing written content left and right the podcast will never stop um so we're excited to kind of put a bow on this thing and i won't go there yet but you know it's gonna be a time come in may where we're starting over again brother and we really it's crazy but we're gonna be we're going to be, we're not that far away from it. Summer scouting is going to be right around the corner, but we have a full draft to watch unfold and analyze before then. I'm very excited for everybody.

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