NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 182. 2024 NFL Draft Summer Scouting: OTs and IOLs

Episode Date: July 17, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers continue their Summer Scouting Series with a super show previewing the offensive line: offensive tackles and interior offensive linemen. The two talk about the names to know for the potential 2024 class, where they stand heading into the 2023 college football season, and give you their Top 5 pre-season OT and IOL rankings for the position.

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. In this episode, we're talking about the big beauties, baby, the offensive linemen, offensive tackles, and interior offensive linemen for the 2024 NFL Draft. Connor and I are going to talk to you about our top five players going into the season. We're going to talk to you about types of players that we gravitate toward, both at offensive tackle

and with those interior guys, the traits that we look for, what goes into our scouting, all the good stuff. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. welcome to the opening melody nfl stock exchange podcast i'm trevor sikama that is connor rogers joining you guys for the big beauties day all right connor i'm not calling them big uglies that's what we're not going to start off this pro this podcast with disrespect we are calling the trench players the big beauties i like it the offensive tackles and the interior offensive linemen connor and i are going to give you our top fives for each of those categories we're going to break down kind of what we saw from them and what we want to see from them going into this season as we head into the 2024 draft cycle

connor how we doing today my friend you look a little you look a little more tan after the beach getaway that you were on so eight days of being a total shore bum all i did honestly full transparency i was watching my parents pup who has a lot of energy and it's a lot of fun it's a lot of fun but i've told you this before trevor i'm i don't like jump out of bed at 5 a.m anymore i'm not on that schedule i'm a bit of a night owl so this is the week of the year where and he's good he's gotten a lot better since now he's three when he was one and i used to watch him it was like 5 a.m like we're you know running down to the water but i was getting up earlier than usual uh so i'd wake up take him out get my morning workout in and if i wasn't at the beach or drinking beers i was watching the big beauties it was big beauties

week so it was a lot of fun I got some sun finally we'll see it my tan will last about three and a half hours I'll probably be back to being pale by the end of this show but it's exciting man and we got an interesting class here because I think a lot of the preseason round one hype when mock drafts come out and they usually around August everybody starts firing off a preseason mock you'll you'll hear a lot of the tackle names, I think, from today's show. And that alone makes this pretty interesting for us to do this exercise of how they stack, you know, where we project them, and how things ultimately will go.

Yeah, no matter what, whether it's a strong offensive line class or a weak offensive line class, there's always a lot of intrigue, and there's always a lot of things to unpack, because football is still won and lost in the trenches, right? I mean, like that's where a lot of the premium positions lie. If you can win up front, you can do so many different things on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball, but particularly for this episode, offense. And so when these guys are really good, you're talking about, well, how many can we fit into the top 10, top 12, whatever it is. And when the class isn't very good, that doesn't change how many teams might have offensive line needs in the league.

So you might have teams reaching for certain traits or certain qualities that have these guys projecting well to, even if it's just one scheme like an inside zone scheme or more of a power scheme or a team that really wants to run the ball team that really wants to pass the ball whatever it is and so we're gonna have i think both sides of that conversation because the offensive tackle class really notable at the top a lot of names that are a lot of fun to talk about we're gonna dig into that as we get into our top fives but the interior offensive line class i think you and i might differ in our rankings there than maybe any other position i'm i'm gonna go out on a limb and i'm gonna say any other position that we do throughout summer

scouting i think we're gonna um have a lot of differing opinions when we go through interior offensive line just because it's so up in the air there isn't this clear-cut five guys in the class there's a lot to kind of unpack so um i don't know do you want to start with offensive tackles you want to start with interior offensive line i will give you the floor as we kind of get into this group i think tackles because there's star power here yeah you know there absolutely is and it's not to take away i it probably makes for people listening the interior players more interesting because you'll hear names that you just never hear but the reason i want to start with the tackles is i mean there is legitimate star power here

and expectations that are set very very high for these guys very very high and i thought there was some depth to this class i really did now you and i alfair have talked about how there's also a lot of deficiencies with this group and a lot of players just need to get stronger in this class. And but I definitely think the tackles, they're a star power that I think will make it fun to start with. OK, let's do it. And I also know that, you know, we do this every episode, but we'll have our five. And there's guys that we're going to want to talk about that are just outside the top five as well for their projections and what we could see them becoming and all that. But who came in at number five for you and your pre-season offensive tackle list for the potential 2024 NFL draft so number five for me was someone you texted me and you're like definitely watch this guy because

sometimes the underclassmen can you know fly under the radar I know on this show we we go pretty heavy on guys that are uh highly regarded seniors and work our way down besides the stars like Marvin Harrison Jr. You were going to watch Caleb Williams. But J.C. Latham for me was number five. And I am really glad that I watched him because this is the wild ride of the entire show. I mean, Latham as and this isn't shocking, a former five star. He was the number two overall prospect from what I saw in his recruiting class. Number two.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what Alabama's page list him as. So there was some services that had him as the number two overall prospect in his class. He was a 13 game starter at right tackle for Alabama in 2022. Latham is a unit. He's listed six foot six, 335. Just a mammoth is a unit. He's listed six foot six, 335, just a mammoth of a human. I mean, we've watched Alabama long enough to know like they can get these prototypes, these guys that are this highly regarded.

And why I say wild ride, this is the one where we lean heavy on the pros because it's summer scouting. It's a little bit more loose. It's a little bit more fun. It's a little bit more not hype driven but here's a lot of things that are exciting about this guy and why you need to watch him during college football there's a lot of negatives to this guy's game right now that i had to write down as well the the good an insane amount of mass in his base i mean this is an oak tree right like you just look

at him and you're just like okay good calm this is yeah there it is just just one of the ones in california the giant redwoods yeah redwoods those are insane this guy's redwood tree yeah so much strength in his hands big nature podcast here on this yeah we love we love uh we love the nature so so much strength in his hands country strong truly country strong he's originally i want to make sure i have this right i'm pretty sure he's a Wisconsin kid. Yes, yeah. Who went to IMG, which is like classic. You got to be careful about that.

As someone who was actually born in Bradenton, Florida, when you look up these recruiting backgrounds of some of these players, it will sometimes say like where they're coming from. If it is Bradenton Florida damn good chance they were not born in Bradenton Florida they were born somewhere else and they transferred to IMG because IMG is one of the um major uh prep academies that are it's in the world it's an all-star football team that happens it is cool it is yeah right so like you get guy and if you if you guys out there

are doing your own research when you are making your own uh draft database and you say like where this guy is from just be careful if it ever says brayden in florida it's probably somewhere else but you're right he is originally from wisconsin yeah oak creek wisconsin which is you know obviously the alabamas of the world they dip into img because it's just loaded with talent but still interesting this is a wisconsin kid uh at heart and it's not like he's been in florida for 50 years i mean he played some version of high school football at wisconsin at one point but he's a mammoth once again country strong where if he gets his hands on you and it's right like the placement's right he's so gifted that he's always gonna win that that way. It's just getting to that point is, is the issue I wrote.

He can lock on to defensive ends in the zone running game and dump them on the move with the grip. Because if he strikes, if he hits the strike zone, when he's on the move, there is so much momentum. And this is physics. Folks,

folks take note. You're getting, you're getting every aspect of science class right now. You got a little nature talk. You got, now you're getting physics, the momentum this man generates. You got a little nature talk. You got, now you're getting physics. The momentum this man generates and when he hits the strike zone with his hands,

I mean, defenders go to the ground. He dumps them. He just kind of discards them, moves them out of the way easily. I wrote it. He's so big that he can effectively cut off backside defensive ends, really just with his broad back and shoulders.

It's like there are guys where you watch them execute cutting off and it really looks like poetry in motion it's like almost dancing in slow motion where it's so beautifully scripted with him it's really just brawn mass it's like okay uh you're this big if as long as you're there there's really no moving around him like you really can't, he boxes people out like a power forward. That's what he could do on the cutoff. And once again,

this is physical gifts. I mean, I'm going to be honest at this point, JC Latham is in my fifth spot over a couple other worthy guys because he is physically gifted. Not because he is a refined, ready to play NFL football tackle. He is nowhere near any of that.

But he is so physically gifted that if he continues to grow and continues to start, which he will, and that'll probably be on the left side this year, right, Trevor? Are they going to flip him over? No. TBD. No, I think I did read that they were flipping him over. I thought so, too.

When you watch like 8 million of these guys, you forget who's written in from spring ball flipping over either way latham star on the right side i think long term he's gonna get a chance on the left here's where the the negatives start to come in and he has to refine this dude is a penalty machine i mean like i've never seen before just in our overview in ultimate if, when you watch a guy and go through his numbers and stuff, a lot of it is post-snap penalties. So you could have holding, things like that. But if you go to a certain part, you could see all the penalties,

and obviously pre-snap matters a lot for offensive linemen. He had 11 that you could watch through, and that's counting ones that could be, you know, obviously taken off the board and turned down. But when you look at the false starts, they are so consistent week by week that I'm wondering, is he worried about speed right now? Right. Does he not trust his ability to get into his pass set and take on speed? Because it's not like he had a false start this week. OK, and then November came around.

It's pretty much weekly at this point from what I watch and Alabama fans know what I'm talking about, because I feel like Alabama fans saw this guy and it was Jekyll and Hyde where one play, he'd be the best player on the field. And the next play, he'd, he'd put you from third and three and a third and eight or whatever it

may be. The field awareness is a step behind his talent and physical ability. Everything is just, he's not seeing and understanding where everything's coming from at times. He's just reacting with his physical ability. Everything is just, he's not seeing and understanding where everything's coming from at times. He's just reacting with his physical talent. Speed rushers were able to, so this is where I matched the penalty problem with the actual, okay, that is a problem.

Speed rushers cross his face and they cross his face a lot. And the quarterback, you know, pretty good quarterback. You ever hear of him? He went number one overall. He reset the pocket really well that it probably didn't show up on his stat offensive line stats like it typically would it might be a hurry like at worst but a less elusive twitchy quarterback

and those might be quarterback hits and sacks once in a while uh i wrote down my final thing is high variance player that runs so damn hot and cold but he's young he's young he was a first year starter yeah he's loaded with traits trevor he's he's just loaded up with traits but if he has the same year he had 2022 he's not a first or a second round pick at all but if he takes strides he is so fit he'll walk into the combine and every nfl offensive line coach would be like, that is what I want at starting at either tackle spot for me. Right. Yeah. And I'm very curious to know how you saw him because he was the guy you texted me and said, make sure you watch JC Latham and you didn't, you didn't, it wasn't loaded. You weren't like, he's so good. He's so bad. It was

just make sure you watch him. Yeah. We, I try not to, anytime there is somebody that I want you to watch one way or the other, I try not to sway on it because, and that's why, you know, people get a kick out of us revealing our rankings for the first time when we actually do the podcast. It's because we want our eyes to be independent of a lot of things that we're hearing and obviously just chit chat, chit chatting back and forth. So when we talk about these guys, it's a lot of us talking about them for the first time. I saw him very similarly to you. I have him before. So it's it's kind of a good segue into the conversation. I'll go back to who I have at number five in a second, but we might

as well talk about him here for conversation's sake. You're right. I mean, the physical gifts are the part that you love. And I would echo basically everything that you said. A lot of what he does really well right now is he's a smooth mover for a guy who's almost you know whatever it is mid 330s almost pushing 340 he's probably 340 man but like dude can move i mean like on the hoof he is smooth he's coordinated like you said he knows how to wall people off whether it's linebackers whether it's defensive linemen all of that is super alluring he's very very difficult to get around especially when that pocket is moving to the left or right. So I think he generates really good power from his lower half as well

when he was asked to do combo blocks and duo blocks and just running power up the middle, even with him as a puller. Like this dude had a ton of strength to him. And when he made contact, you could tell he was truly generating that from the lower half of his body, going all the way up through his chest and through his hands to really displace these guys. And so that part of it is super alluring.

I don't know if I'd agree with you when you say, like, hey, if he has another year exactly like we saw last year, he wouldn't be a first or second-round pick. Good point. He'd probably be a second-round pick, right? You're probably right. At least. You're right.

You've got to bet on these guys. I wouldn't take them in the first two rounds. To your point. He'd probably be a second-round pick, right? You're probably right. At least. You're right. You've got to bet on these guys. I wouldn't take them in the first two rounds. To your point. You're right. But to your point, I would say that when things – how should I put this? He needs to anticipate better. He needs to be comfortable when things don't go well for him right away the best offensive tackles in all of college football and then of course throughout the draft process and then even

getting into the pro level are the ones who no matter what move the defensive lineman puts on you you don't panic and unfortunately I think there's there's a decent amount of panic to Latham's game right now, or at least there's a decent amount of anticipation that needs to be a lot better. You go and watch that Auburn game specifically. Very early in the game, Derek Hall punches this dude in the mouth. Now, not literally, but he goes straight into Latham's chest. And he's like, I know you're 340. And I know that nobody really challenges you at your chest. But guess what we're doing today? We're going straight at you. And Latham wasn't ready

for it. And Derek Hall bull rushed him straight back into the quarterback and from that moment on you can see in the plays that followed he was cut Latham was kind of psyching himself out a little bit he was like oh wait a second my weight is not enough to neutralize what Hall and Woodland are and are able to do as they're coming at me. And so you saw him give up his technique. And panic seems like the wrong word, but almost panic in a sense. Get away from you being confident that you could say, okay, if they come into my chest again, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to get a little bit lower. I'm going to keep my head up.

I'm going to anchor. I'm going to stick my feet in the ground, and I'm going to use that leverage against them, and I'm going to lift them up so. I'm going to anchor. I'm going to stick my feet in the ground, and I'm going to use that leverage against them, and I'm going to lift them up so they can't push me back anymore. That's all. I am way oversimplifying it. It is much more difficult to do than that. Still, fair.

But I say that to say, instead, what Latham often did was when the Auburn edge rushers, no matter who it was, whether it was Hall or somebody else, started to come at him, you could see that he would dip his head he would almost like go into like a launch mode and he would try to launch himself at them to try to counter what would be the bull rush because he was like okay well auburn's gonna try to bull rush me all game then what happened what you exactly brought up a couple of minutes ago they went went across his face. They hit an inside move. They swam right by him. And all of a sudden, he's pushing at air,

and the guy's running around him, disrupting Bryce Young. So that was something about Latham that I noticed, not just in the Auburn game, but other ones as well. He just needs to be more calm and confident in the abilities that he has. And like you mentioned, he is young. So it is to be expected that that can get a lot better. But to your point, not that he wouldn't be drafted highly, because we know it's a trait-based draft.

That's what all drafts are about. You're betting on a lot of what guys can be. But if you were to take Latham and try to put him in the NFL right now, wouldn't go well, especially against the most technical pass rushers and the pass rushers that really have great plans going into it, counter plans, all of that. So he's a ways away from really achieving his potential. But I want to end this part of his evaluation by saying that potential is huge, man. I think he is incredibly gifted physically. I think everything is there for him, and especially starting in the SEC, even though there are criticisms of his game, there are things to critique.

Putting out what he put out last year as a first-time starter at right tackle, first-time full-time starter at right tackle, it's good. It's a good baseline. So I want to see him take that next step this year. I did look it up while you were reading. It's not for sure that he's moving to left tackle i think they have a couple of other options they might play left tackle so he might be staying at right but that's ultimately how i saw latham i i guess i'll finish it out by um reading my little blurb that i have on him for the preseason if you're an offensive line that prioritizes size, Latham will be high on your list. He gives you that big body, but isn't reckless, but is not a reckless brute. He has

some good feel for pass protection. I like how his hands are used. Those active hands specifically, I think move very fast. And I think he's got a good understanding of where they should go, even though they don't hit at the exact points yet every time. His bigger and thicker frame can open him up to get beat from wide rushes when they counter inside. But overall, he shows starter traits for the next level. So that's what I thought on Latham. No doubt about that. And to kind of end this before I go to you for your number five,

the glass half full, because I think we talked a lot about things he needs to work on. The glass half full is this is a guy with raw ability that if he gets 25% better this year,

it's probably a top 15 pick. If he gets 25% better, he's a top 20 pick. That's a nice place to be if you're young JC Latham right now. Who do you got at five? So I have Jordan Morgan at five, the redshirt senior from Arizona. Now, I know you watched him because we cross-referenced a little bit of some of the guys that we were watching,

but three-star offensive tackle prospect from the state of Arizona. Also competed in the shot put in track and field. I always like to see if guys had track and field backgrounds and he did. He wasn't out here running the hundred meter, but he was a shot put guy. That's often what you see from the offensive tackles. Some interesting PFF stats for him before I kind of get into the film. Really low pass blocking grades in his first three years. And he also had really low run blocking grades. Pass blocking grades in, well, 2019 and 2020, he didn't play a ton.

He had 47 snaps in 2019, pass blocking snaps, I should say, so specific. 47 in 2019, 101 in 2020. He had a 60.5 passing grade in 2019, a 35.1 pass blocking grade in 2020. In 2021, when he became a first-time starter, he was a little better, not really. 55.6 pass blocking grade, that's not great.

Run blocking grade as well in that 2020 season, 53.3. Both of those scores, not great, Cotton. But last year, way better. 82.0 pass blocking grade which is a massive leap in in a category that is so uh technical and that you play so many snaps over 400 snaps to be exact and he's 78.6 run blocking grade so this guy got better as an offensive tackle across the board he was in no way on my draftable radar last year um same but uh yeah i i mean just just i mean i the year before i should say 2021 i really did not think about jordan morgan as a draft eligible guy but now um i definitely can see that he only allowed one sack on those 443

pass blocking snaps so um obviously a really great note there size six foot four and a half 306 pounds those are below the 50th percentile both of them it's small for a tackle 15th percentile in height and 24th percentile in weight but when guys are lighter you have to say okay you better be able to move well he moves well i think that he's just i think that he is a smooth mover and that's something that his is one of his calling cards for sure especially in zone blocking schemes i feel like he was really able to thrive whether it was inside zone or outside zone you can get him to be a valuable part of moving a pocket left or right. It's something that I really liked about Morgan

specifically is when you talk about play in the trenches, all the muscles in your body are extremely important. You're talking about trying to displace another human being against their will as they are trying to use all of their strength, you're trying to use all of yours. With Morgan being just the 24th percentile in weight, that means that he's really got to be in tune with calling strength from his entire posterior chain, from your feet to your calves and your quads and your hamstrings, all the way up through your chest and your hands and your arms. All of those things have to work well for you to be an effective blocker and for you to move people. He does when he is on the run, when he is making contact, but also something that I

really liked is in his pass sets. He is very comfortable staying in a squatted position. So when guys come at him, if somebody comes into his chest, he is able to immediately sink his hips hips get his hands inside and boom neutralize him a little bit hopefully pop him up and neutralize him with some leverage but anchor very very quickly and then when it comes to just pass this overall people are trying to long arm them they're trying to swipe the hands away whatever it is and he is the one who gets to dictate the contact he's going to do so because he's from a squatted stance boom straight into their chest and punch them with as much power as possible so that's something that

you want to see that was a technique part of his game that i really really appreciated uh and i liked a lot i think he's got a great mentality to competitive tough or yeah competitive toughness is a category that i have for both interior offensive linemen and offensive tackles because Because when I listen to these offensive line clinics, when I listen to people who scout offensive line, they all mention competitive toughness. You're like toughness in the trenches is so important. I need a dog. I need somebody who is in there to fight, to finish through the whistle. And I think that Jordan Morgan absolutely does that. A couple of weaknesses.

Oh, go ahead. Please, please go ahead. I just, I was going to say a couple of weaknesses that I had, and then I'll turn them over to you. Has some reps where he dips his head a little bit. So the, it sounded kind of like JC Latham to try to conjure up as much strength as possible. He'll dip the crown of his helmet. And anytime that you're dipping the crown of your helmet like that,

guess where your eyes are not on the target. So that gives defensive ends and edge rushers who are coming in. If they have it in their mind to hit a counter on you, to move inside, to swim by you, you're giving them the green light to do that. So you don't want to drop your eyes. You want to keep your eyes on contact and be able to get strength in a different way. Can sometimes swing his arms. Again,

I think that he's weighing 306 pounds he's trying to generate as much power as possible so instead you'll see his hands kind of be by his side but then think of it like a throwing motion how a throwing motion for quarterbacks is you want it to be compact you want the ball as it comes in their hand you want it up kind of by the shoulders and when they are whipping it around getting in their hand, you want it up kind of by the shoulders. And when they are whipping it around, getting into their throwing motion, you don't want them dipping it all the way down to their hip. You know, think about Tim Tebow. You know, a lot of people got after Tim Tebow because the throwing motion was so long.

That simply gives you more room for error and takes longer to get the ball out of your hand. So you don't really want that. Speed is king in the game of football. When it comes to offensive line play, you don't want to have to be swinging your arms all the way back in order to move them forward. You hopefully want to be able to keep them in front of you. And it's just maybe a little bit of cocking your elbows back, boom, like full power, just straight into them. So you don't want that like long windup. Cause of course, then your hands get a little bit lower than it might be easier to swipe away. Um, you just want to be able to keep them up. So that was a, that was a hand

technique part of his game. And I was like, man, okay, I already see that you're mastering being squatted in your stance. And I don't think that you really need to swing your hands all the way back to try to generate as much power, but I know why he's doing it. It would just be something where it's like, Hey, be a little bit more compact. You won't give try to generate as much power. But I know why he's doing it. It would just be something where it's like, hey, be a little bit more compact. You won't give up your chest as much. You won't give him a chance to swipe away the hand. So that was just my thoughts there.

But I did like Morgan. Massive step forward in the right direction from last year. Guy who moves really well and a guy who I think has the ability to generate some good strength with how natural his balance is and how natural his flexibility is. So I had him at number five. Man, I'm with you so i had him at number five

man i i'm with you i had him at tackle three um okay i liked him a lot and it's i would say this with one caveat and you've worked with me long enough trevor that you know my take like if you're hurt in college a lot you're hurting the nfl a lot that's kind of something something i live by with scouting and it's people listening to the show long enough no i've been lower on really good players because of that it's the thing that held me back from him having a shot at being number two that's how good the tape was honestly that's how good the tape was and to kind of close put a bow on the injury point so people understand that don't know him he had injuries in both 2020 and 2021 then he tore his acl in november 2022 so he's coming off a torn acl after you mentioned that that was not not significantly banged up in 2020 and 2021 but he had injuries he missed time and so that's you know a lot that's a lot and a lot. And it's a shame. It's a shame. You hate to see that because, as you pointed out, he's gotten so much better over the years. And the only other real problem I wrote down was exactly what you said. He gets caught waist bending and ducking strength? I thought it was that sometimes his feet were a step behind

and then he tries to generate as much strength as he can, like you said. Yeah, that could be it. I mean, it's all the same. It goes hand in hand. It's all the same. But yeah. Because there are too many good reps of him with really great form and pass protection.

It just looks like he is balanced. He is flexible. And when guys come into him he's able to generate a lot of pot for a player who is 306 pounds so yeah maybe that certainly could be it you often don't lose that kind of form unless something goes wrong so maybe it is the footwork maybe he feels a little bit off balance maybe that that's kind of a like you said a catalyst for that i thought pound for pound he's so damn strong i mean we we think he's 306 and he he doesn't look like the biggest guy that

we got to watch and he still is so strong at that weight uh more of a compact build i thought he was phenomenal with leverage because of that extremely active hands i mean the hands are just always working it's almost like he's eliminating the chance of counter moves a lot of guys throw their hands and a good pass rusher knows how to counter with him he's almost countering before the pass rusher can with his hands and i wrote that he doesn't wait for the battle to come to him. And I really liked that about him. That's why I love Darnell Wright last year, right? That was the,

that was the entire platform that I stood on with Darnell Wright is he takes the fight to defensive players. And I'm a sucker for guys like that, who it works for. These are dudes that don't come out of the corner of the ring and are figuring out how to counter punch. They're setting the tone of the fight uh plus awareness against stunts and twists there are a lot of guys in college that they're just not there mentally peripheral vision awareness it's it's hard as hell you see guys screw it up in the nfl all the time for this dude the awareness was phenomenal uh lateral agility against inside moves smooth real real smooth when when you watch

his clips pulling and then this dude opens up and runs i mean it's seek and destroy mentality it really is it's it is beautiful to watch this guy get to open up and run and get his hands on someone and dump them to the sideline and it's if you ask your tack to do that, or if he moves in the inside at the next level, I think he's a tackle, but we know smaller tackles like this, we've seen them have to kick in. He's built like a tackle, though. I agree. He's not a kicking... I mean, he'd be on the guard list for me if he was.

He's a tackle list for us. Which is weird, because 6'4 1⁄2 is, like I said, 15th percentile. Normally, for guys like that i'd be more open to saying yeah you could kick him inside of it i don't know he just his entire game and his build feels like a tackle even if he comes yeah no i agree even if he comes in at the combine and doesn't have the arm threshold that everybody craves he plays so fast and it has such good lateral agility it doesn't matter i mean we had this conversation with rashaun slater how many times all right right conversation or sean slater was arm length arm length arm length it's like well do you watch him and does the lack of arm

length affect how he protects the edge and the answer was always like no but it might at the nfl level and then he got to the nfl and the answer was still no so what was slater slater was six four and a fourth 304 pounds and what was his arms 32 and seven was six, four and a fourth, 304 pounds. And what was his arms? 32 and seven eighths. No, it was 33. He had 33. Coaches don't love that. I'll say it, but it didn't matter. It didn't matter. So the last thing I wrote, this is this guy's athleticism in the zone run game is just tremendous. It's phenomenal. He's a great player. I'll say it. He's a great player. And a lot of great players just they have this injury bug that it can really change their draft process. And I am rooting so hard for this guy to have a full, healthy season playing exactly how he played last year before he tore his ACL. Because I think he's a top 40 pick if he does.

I really do. All right. Who do you have at number if he does. I really do. All right. Who do you have at number four? Okay, so number four. Zigzagging around a little bit here. I know, but I think it's good for conversation. I think so, too. Patrick Paul was at four for me.

Okay. The Houston tackle that is, he's kind of the classic, you know, dude with insane length. Let me pull his notes up right here. I got to watch a lot of him. Okay, Patrick Paul, 6'7", 308. Fifth-year senior. Already has been a team captain.

If you recognize the name, his brother Chris was the Tulsa offensive lineman drafted in the seventh round in 2022 by the Commanders. He's already been a full season starter at left tackle for the program for two years, 2021 and 2022. First team all conference both years. He missed almost every game except the first two in 2020. He had a season ending foot ankle injury. I searched like crazy.

I don't, I didn't like ask anyone around the program anything but i searched as much as i could i have no idea what the injuries were just set foot and ankle everywhere that could be a lot that could be from a list frank to a sprain who the hell knows yeah so and he's played the full season the last two years so he's fine he he's interesting trevor he moved from defensive line to offensive line his senior year of high school. So this dude's not like, I've been a tackle my whole life kind of guy. He really... I do not know that, but it's fascinating that you just told me that. Because one of the things that I have and the weaknesses of his game...

So I don't have him on my top five. He's outside my top five. I have him on my top five. He's outside my top five. I have him seventh. One of the major issues I have with him is he's 6'7", so there's a lot of lack of natural leverage, but then I think there's also some inflexibility in how low he's able to get. So playing defensive line, I wonder if he was not really as comfortable as he needed to be

in like a three-point stance hinging it probably because he's he is he's basically all two-point stance especially as an offensive tackle now so i wonder if that i wonder if that went into it i didn't know that background but that's interesting to learn here yeah it really painted the full picture for me because this he as much as his resume doesn't sound like it until you get to that point like you hear two-year starter at left tackle for Houston team captain you listen to this guy speak of media days and you're like oh he like just a Brit like a brilliant dude uh like pros Pro already you forget he's a college kid. You think he's an eight-year NFL vet when you get to hear him talk.

He does a Dana Holgerson impression that is hilarious. If you're on Twitter, just search it. All you really have to do is search his name and impression, and they'll probably come up, Patrick Paul. But the negatives are, I mean, after all of that, he's still a project. He really is. I wrote, he needs to add mass to his lower half.

He's top heavy. Right now. He's a top heavy dude. Everything, every single thing feels a little unorthodox from his footwork to where his hands go. It gets the job done in that conference in, in college football.

I'm not as bullish that that flies at the NFL level when the big dogs know how to counter and everything. He's kind of backyarding it a little bit because he's got arms down to the ground. He's a good athlete for his size. But it's, you know, and the last bad thing before I get to the ground. He's a good athlete for his size, but it's, you know, and, and the last bad thing before I get to the good, when he's blocking on the move and outside zone, he misses the strike zone a lot. He's kind of out there and he's not comfortable. He's just, he, you know,

he doesn't really fire into guys, um, you know, consistently. I think, I think that he misses the target a lot, but when you get into the pros of why he's a project and and tackle four and i'll say this like for me my tackle tiers are i would have my top guy in his own tier number two and jordan morgan in their own tier and then the third tier would be the projects patrick paul and jc latham they would be projects to me with a lot of upside he's got exceptional length it's inspector gadget arms out there i mean it really is and jim nagy tweeted that his arms are 36 and three eighths so it you see it on tape and it sounds like it's that's the way it is with actual measurements adequate mover at that size he's just a hard human to get around right like how many dudes are six seven that size with arms that just three door frames right three

door frames he's hard to get around he's he's bad he's battle tested this guy he he had some matchups with Tyree Wilson and I thought he got the better of the matchups like there's one rep that Tyree was okay like had a decent rep against him. But when you look at the full sample size, I was more impressed with what Patrick Paul was able to do. I was, so I watched the, I definitely watched the Texas tech game.

Cause I wanted to see how he did against Tyree Wilson. That was one of the things where I don't think he overwhelmingly like lost to Tyree Wilson or anything like that. I thought it was a pretty even matchup, but one of the things that I took away from it is again going back to the weaknesses lack of natural leverage will hurt him at the pro level and then in parentheses I have this example he was letting six foot seven Tyree Wilson who was standing in a two-point stance get up and under him consistently which is like if you're an offensive tackle and you see Tyree Wilson at two point stance,

you've got to think you can get under his pad level. And I did not see Paul do that once. Really. He's just when he is upright and he just, he is, he's super upright. Like you mentioned, he's a little bit top heavy. So it's not like he's super comfortable sinking down into his hips when he's going through his kick slides because he's, he's got more weight top so that was that was a tough part for me uh i have the read and reaction time is a tick slow right now so i think that whether they're attacking the inside or outside shoulder if he is not anticipating it which if he does i will mention nimble feet for a guy who's six foot

seven like you that that part of his game is impressive if he can anticipate where you are moving he can mirror you a little bit for a six foot seven guy which i thought was super impressive but if he is not anticipating that's just so much mass it's so much of his frame that he is trying to move and it just comes off as a tick slow when he's reading reacting i also said the hand placement's way too wide for him right now. I mean, he gives up his chest way too easy. And I think he gives up his chest, again, a little bit like JC Latham, where Latham doesn't have the same sort of problem,

but in the same sense of the conversation that we were saying, where it's like, okay, guys don't normally push me back very far. I'm giant. I'm just not used to getting pushed back very far and because of it his hand targets you can tell are the shoulder pads like he wants to take his giant wingspan and he wants to engulf you and he wants to grab the outside of your shoulder pads and make it so even if you get inside on him even if your hands are inside on him if he has your shoulder pads your arms aren't going anywhere they're not going to be able to break him off of his grip and you can maybe try to keep bull rushing him but again this guy's six foot seven so how how far are you really going to get that seems like a strategy right now but at the NFL level, you're going up against guys that are a hell of a lot stronger than what Houston's facing on a

daily basis. So if you keep swinging your hands out long, I think at the NFL level, you're going to get pushed around. And so that's, that was kind of a fear of mine is can he keep those hands inside? Can he keep those hands where he needs to with that aiming point? But I did, I certainly saw the allurement with paul but he was not he was not somebody who made my top five so yeah i also thought he had an edge to his game as a man blocker like i didn't like him in zone but when they had him just kind of down block i i saw a different kind of fire light under him a little bit maybe because it's just me versus you and you got to deal with me yeah, definitely one of the projects in this class,

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Age and eligibility restrictions apply. Voidware prohibited. See DraftKings.com slash promotions for details. All right, who do I have at number three? I have a guy who I don't think is on your list, but I hope it's because he's on your other list i don't know where graham barton from duke do you have him as a as a tackle or an interior offensive line i think so i don't have him i watched him i like him i ultimately just don't

know where he's gonna land i my gut is he's a guard in the league connor yes i don't think he's a tackle he's gonna land in the league he's good good tape good tape definitely i think he's gonna be asked to kick inside probably i won't write him off as a tackle yet so i have him sort of on the skronsky path right where a lot of hello the whole no no no no not, no, no, no. Not like, I'm just kidding. I don't think he's as good as Skronsky. Player comp, Peter Skronsky. What I'm saying is he's better. He's way better.

He's going to make Skronsky look like poop. No, I'm just kidding. So I think Barton is going to be talked about like Skronsky, where you don't exactly know where to play him, offensive tackle or offensive guard. I like that we're on different sides of the fence here because you're looking at that like all right does that mean he might be too much of a tweener to stand out at one of those positions to have a starting spot in the NFL and don't let me put words in your mouth so if you don't think that that's fine I am on the side of the fence where it's like i don't really care if he's a

tackler a guard at the end of the day i think he's gonna start at the nfl level i just think he's a damn good offensive lineman and that's the way that i saw peter skronsky so that's why i talk about them pretty similarly so graham barton duke senior six foot five 30th percentile 306 pounds again just like morgan was so that's the 24th percentile, 306 pounds. Again, just like Morgan was. So that's the 24th percentile. He was a three-star offensive tackle recruit from the state of Tennessee. Oh, also lettered for two seasons in high school in lacrosse. Played seven.

I'm taking it back. He's IOL one. We switch it up from wrestling backgrounds to lacrosse background iol one he might be tight end one by the end of the season i read that he played seven sports growing up okay swimming that's who's time for that keep going i need to hear how we get to seven. Football, lacrosse, I mentioned. Baseball, soccer, basketball, and gymnastics. If I ever talk to this guy, I got to understand what, how, what, what were we doing in gymnastics?

Were you doing like a floor routine? Were you doing the three bar? Yeah, that's, that's the one where I. Were you doing the rings? What were you doing out here? I also want to know how long he did the baseball and lacrosse dual sport because i did it one year yeah one year i played lacrosse um which i guess they were both technically travel because it was still youth but and then travel baseball they're

both in the spring dude i would go from one practice to the next in the same night and after after the year i was like my parents were like because i wasn't driving yet they were like never again like you're like you're she this is you're the age now where you have to choose one you can play a sport every season yeah but i it is i can't imagine if this guy did it for more than a year that is mind-blowing because it is you're you're no matter how much energy you have as a kid it is taxing beyond belief i'm pretty sure i'm true i couldn't touch a curveball and i was like easy decision i'll play lacrosse easiest decision in the world i'm actually glad you asked me to pick a sport because i'm done

trying to even sniff a curveball i played baseball for so here's a funny story i played like t-ball obviously growing up and when we moved from years later when we moved from pitching machine to live pitching i was like all right i'm out i don't want to i um i'm done with baseball i don't really care kids are just getting hit all the time because nobody could throw a strike yeah it's the worst part of baseball like right that yeah when you grow from the face of like okay let's let the 11 year olds pitch or whatever age it was i don't remember it's like this will be fun and then you get hit like four times in a week and you're like this sucks i hate it so i was done i didn't really care that much about baseball but like i'm i'd like to think i'm coordinated enough to where you know like i've played airmail softball a ton and like you know i'll throw the baseball around yeah all that stuff

like wiffle ball with the family like all that kind of stuff. But that was the last time I played baseball. And then when I was a sophomore. No, I was a freshman in high school. We had 20 something kids on our varsity baseball team and 12 of them received d's or f's in their final report cards of the semester and were ineligible to play the sport the following semester because they failed classes and you're not allowed to participate in sports this semester after you fail a class. So we had 12 kids from the baseball team become ineligible. So the coach basically calling anybody.

And I went to a small high school anyways. We had like 200, 300 kids. I don't remember who went to the high school. And so he's called basically anybody who's played any other sport for the school. And so I played baseball that one year. And did not get a hit. Varsity as a ninth grader? Yes.

Nightmare fuel. Dude, I was – Nightmare fuel. These pitchers were making me look like I had never opened my eyes a day in my life. Like I was trying to play – like I was trying to hit a pinata blindfolded. That's what I was trying to do. That's easier. With some of these pitches. anyways that's really funny like a really funny thing

to happen that you like you like played a season of varsity baseball as a ninth grader yeah because so many other people were ineligible and you were like okay i and to relate to you i i have one year filled in on a travel team that was at least two or three years age above me because it was like they needed one extra player and they knew i would do it i'm like half the size because one of those weird age differences dude i swear like i probably had like nine at bats i think eight of them i just tried to bunt like i just tried to drag a bunch out. Cause I couldn't sniff what these kids were throwing three years older than me. Like you, I just,

I just gave, I'm like, and I worked like once I got like a drag bunt hit. And I was like, season's complete. One practice, uh, one practice we were doing like the sign memorization.

Right. So like the, the, um, I mean, what would be manager, but he's coach at the high school level like he'd do the signs you know like he tapped the nose the chest the shoulders the ears the what the mouth or whatever and he just like do it very subtly and we're doing it throughout practice and if he called upon you and he you he did this he did the sequence and you

couldn't tell what that command was like are you are you bunting? Are you swinging away? Like, are you taking the pitch? Like, what are you doing? If you couldn't tell him, you had to go run. I was, I think, 0 for 7 on remembering what the signs were. And be like, coach, this isn't even my fucking sport. You called me. You don't get to treat me like a real baseball player.

No shot. Now that I think about it, it wasn't, it actually, it wasn't the full season. Cause I'm like, I didn't play a full season. Cause I didn't get that many at bats.

Like I probably only played like 10 games or something, but it was, it was, it sounds like hell to me. I'm thinking of a sport that I didn't do and being asked to do that and I'm in 9th grade against 11th and 12th graders.

It was like asking me to join the swim team if I couldn't swim. You're the only kid with swimmies on doing the backstroke with swimmies on. Somebody give me swimmies and I'llimmies but we didn't have any somebody give me swimmies for the batter's box brother they should have brought out a tea for you oh man that's it's that's a wild story i'm glad we got that one out of you that's it's really insane insane so graham barton of

course any an easy transition back into graham barton um who i you know why we talk about asking him questions i believe uh max chadwick did an interview with him over at pff.com if you want to listen to his background and everything because he seems like an awesome dude so go check it out over at pff.com some p PFF stats about the Duke offensive tackle. 90.7 overall grade in 2022. 86.1 pass blocking grade. 87.1 run blocking grade. Only allowed two sacks on 475 pass blocking snaps.

Two highest run blocking grades came from both inside and outside zone calls. Also played 435 snaps at center his true freshman season. So anybody who wants to project him inside, he's got a little bit of experience there. On the interior. Love this dude's mentality, man. I mean, you will notice a trend when we get to interior offensive line as well. I'm prioritizing guys who I think can just have some strength

and be mean cusses on the offensive line and this dude has the ability to do it i think his grip strength is fantastic when he gets his hands where he wants them i mean it's it's over and what i also really appreciated with him is you can tell that some offensive linemen are being taught different hand aiming points. Some of them think that just inside leverage is king. Like get both of those hands underneath the armpits of the defenders and you've got them completely controlled, you know, solidify your grip on them

and they're not going to be able to get you off of them. That's the place you want to be. There's another camp or another way to look at it where especially if you're playing offensive tackle for anybody out there that hasn't yet i would recommend go watching joe thomas's nfl films a little short that they have on youtube with uh with baldy with brian baldinger and he talks about hand placement and joe thomas talks about how he doesn't necessarily want to get both of his hands on the inside

because that leaves him susceptible for the hands to be free from the defenders. And he actually thought it had a little bit less control, especially when guys were trying to attack his outside shoulder. So what he would do is he would have his inside hand. So think about it. The the the rusher is going to his outside. So let's say his left shoulder. So you would have his inside hand. So his his right hand the aiming point would be the defender's bicep so his hand

would hit the bicep and then it would naturally move up the arm underneath the shoulder pad to where he could grip the shoulder pad and then the other hand would go on the opposite pec of the defender so if you think about it you visualize that you go watch the video you will see then that he has total control of that defender if he is able to get his hands like that because both of his hands at that point are going to be pronated so if it it's an underhand grip, it's pronated. If it is an overhand grip, it is supinated. And when you can have both of your hands like that, one under the shoulder pad, and then one on the pec, think about the major muscle groups that then you can call upon. Because with your left hand, you can call upon your lats, the middle of your back, your traps, everything to pull those guys

that way. And with your other hand, you can not only do the same thing with some of your triceps and your back and everything, but you could also push on them with your entire chest. So you can then turn them to get them off balance. And then boom, you continue to have control on them so that is something bringing it back to barton that he did consistently that he was a that aiming point of his hands are just of the joe thomas school of where to do it and and he just did that so consistently i thought the grip straight was fantastic when he was able to get guys in that um basically in his midst if you will i thought he had great movement skills. I felt like he was elite as a pulling guard.

He had like a 91.6 run blocking grade when they used him as a puller, which just showed he is great, comfortable, out in space, nice athlete for his size, the weaknesses with him, the kick slide doesn't cover as much ground as it should because his strides are shorter because he just doesn't have as much length. And his arm length might not be what you want for the offensive tackle level. Those are both the weaknesses that I said about Peter Skowronski. But there's so much to like about his game around the measurable deficiencies.

I think, as I mentioned with the hand placement, he's somebody who really takes the craft of playing offensive line to heart. He's really strong. Again, once he gets his hands exactly where they want them, I think the footwork is great. The mobility ability is great. The flexibility, the balance, all that stuff is there for him. Plus the mentality. This is somebody who wants to bury you every time he gets you between the shoulders.

So I like Barton a lot. I'm going to try him at tackle at the NFL level and see if he can make it there because i feel i feel like he would have the ability to do that and if not i think he got a damn good interior offensive lineman so he landed at tackle three for you yep tackle three okay so that takes us to i think we're gonna have the same one too yep for this and that so number two uh for me joe alt from notre dame and someone who also i have i have all the two yeah a player that i think a lot of people are very familiar with he's kind of stepped into number one he's massive he's six foot eight 318 so that it's got like i don't think he's this player but you're going to just see the instant ties to mike mcglinchy

because mcglinchy was that hulking tackle for Notre Dame with insane height and length. And with all, he's somebody that wasn't this mega super recruit, but he came in and started eight games as a freshman in 2021. And then he started all 13 games in 2022 where he didn't surrender a sack in 2022. I thought his lower half really stays working with his upper half to sustain blocks.

And when you're that tall, that's really important, right? Because you got a lot going on and a lot of different length to kind of stay in sync. And the fact that his lower half is in sync with that upper half helps him maximize the size that he has that is a calling card for him i thought he was entirely unfazed by the power rush attempts of miles murphy when you watch him against clemson murphy kept trying to murphy it's odd to me murphy looked at him and was like yeah i'll just outpower you every time and it really never worked which

i'll say this i might say more about about Miles Murphy in a way that is concerning. Is that right, Trevor? I see your eyes kind of lighting up. Well, that was kind of Murphy's thing, right? When we talked about him last year, it's like, all right, this guy's got a ton of physical gifts, but he basically just runs straight at you right now. He doesn't really have a pass rush plan.

He didn't work against Joel. Right, yeah. I mean, that's basically all Miles Murphy was trying to do is convert speed to power. I thought he has pushback drive blocking strength off the line of scrimmage in the run game. And with these guys, you watch him and a lot of these guys, and it's like, okay, he's a good pass protector,

or okay, he's got raw strength and power as a run blocker, but maybe as a drive blocker, a down blocker, or maybe as a puller, or maybe inside zone. This dude, when you see him in the run game, I think they're working hand in hand. His ability in pass pro and his ability as a run blocking player. And I really like that about him. Excellent length and movement for reach blocks at all levels.

He's an inside zone monster. I mean, they run plenty of inside zone and he's just phenomenal getting to his spots. And it kind of has that balance where you're not asking him to cover 10 yards of ground, but you are asking him to get out of the gate and move, which he's good at. But you also are keeping him in a tight enough area that he can unlock some of that power and not over-strike or under-strike.

The last thing, I mean, he can get out of the gate and run when asked to pull. You see those strides, those long legs really go. This dude covers ground. I mean, the only two things I wrote about Joe Alt where I'm like, okay, I'll be watching these. I think he's still fighting the leverage battle because he's so damn tall.

There's times where the leverage battle is still a war for him. We had that conversation with Joe Tippman a lot, a rare six feet, six inch tall center. Joe Alt, probably a true six foot eight. He has that battle sometimes to tackle. And I think hand placement was the rare vulnerability vulnerability for him in pass pro there was times where the hand placement

was off and you start to see that body kind of get driven back and upright and he's just so damn big and strong that it didn't necessarily like blow up the play but it's like okay what is that gonna look like against you know nick bosa or whoever it is. I liked him a lot, Trevor. I didn't come away and look at him and be like, oh, bona fide top 10 pick. It wasn't that. But I looked at Joe Walton and said he's got a real good shot to be a first rounder. And he's a real nice rounded player with a lot to work with. Yeah, we see him very similarly.

The two weaknesses that I had that kind of like stood out when I was watching him is his initial kick slides. They don't they actually don't cover as much ground as i thought that they were going to like he just doesn't have almost like that kind of flexibility in his groin to like really just like stretch his legs out but he's six foot eight so it kind of doesn't matter nearly as much like if you see guys who are six foot three who have tight might have like tight groin muscles where kick sliding and stretching your legs out just doesn't go as far as it does for other players that's a big deal

because your stride length and the distance between your feet is just less because you're six foot three but you're all these six foot eight so it doesn't matter as much but i did kind of notice that and then something else that i noted that you just talked about. Body actually appears light, but I know it's not light. I know that he has a lot of weight to him, 3 it's that lack of leverage being six foot eight where the goal when you are anchoring is you want to have your hands inside you want to come a little low and as a guy is pushing you you want to physically lift his power up that's what the point of leverage is so you are getting your hands inside and as they're out, you want to take all their power instead of allowing their power to come straight through your chest. You just want to get low, angle it up. So their power is just going upwards. So then you're not moving any further backwards. It's tough for all to do that just

because he's six foot eight, but he mentioned, man, I think he's a really good athlete for a player who's six foot eight. I actually think he's pretty dang flexible when it comes to sitting in a three point stance. Cause often, you know, like we talked about with, uh, with Patrick Paul, sometimes when you're that tall, it's just really hard to sit. Like, it's just really hard to get your hand down in a three point stance, get your hand in the dirt and actually get your hips all the way down. Joel, I think does a really nice job of that. I think he's got a good wide base to him as well. So, um, really nimble feet again for a player who's six foot eight but i like alt as well i saw first round caliber type of player i saw jordan reed a friend of the show espn draft analysts say brian o'neill as a potential uh comp for body type

for for joe all and i actually like that a lot because brian o'neill kind of came into the league as a big tall um high ceiling athlete type of offensive tackle prospect. And it took him a little bit to truly become that pro caliber offensive tackle when it came to the grip strength, mastering the leverage, just having the overall strength to be able to anchor as well as have plus movement skills. And I think that might be the path for all. He might not be able to step in right away at the NFL level and just immediately thrive. It might take him a little bit, but I think that that,

that ceiling is there for him. So that leaves, I would assume Olufeshanu from Penn state as both of our offensive tackle ones. Am I correct? You are correct. And I want you to take this one away. Cause I got to, I got to lead with all. And I think it's fair that you get to start with Fashanu who you and I have talked about on this show if he declared last year it was probably a bona fide top 10 selection and he it was one of the bigger shocks when he went back to school but for Penn State fans he's I agree with you it was

definitely a shock but he like also redshirt he's not played a lot of college football. If if he declares last year, he doesn't go one to the Panthers. He doesn't go to to the Texans. Who? Arizona had three. We probably go to Arizona. They said they sit there and take him. Yeah, or they can get so much for someone to come up for him. Yeah, probably would have gone. Yeah. He probably would have gone top five.

So Olof Vujano from Penn State is going to be a redshirt junior this upcoming season. Six foot six, which is in the 61st percentile and 319 pounds, 68th percentile. So both of those above the 50th percentile, which is good, which is a three star prospect from Washington, D.C. Coming out of high school, did not play in his first year at Penn State in 2020, so he fully redshirted there. Played nine games in 2021, and then he came back and played once again in 2022. Missed the rest of the season due to a...

What was his injury? Shoot, I just have it as an injury designation. I can't remember what he hurt. Another one that I looked up, and I didn't get specifics on. an injury designation i can't remember what he hurt another one that i looked up yeah and i didn't get specifics on in college i didn't realize college injuries are like hockey injuries these days yeah lower body just have no idea dude i once again like googling googling looking on everything yeah i have an exact quote james franklin did not reveal exactly what the injury was all right there

we go he received the first round grade. Penn State fans know. Honestly, sometimes college fans know because forums are a hell of a drug. He had a first round grade last year coming out from the NFL draft advisory board. Parents kept it, right? Yeah, they did. Yeah, I love that.

Really cool. Which is super cool. His birthday is in December, by the way, and he will be 21 years old this upcoming December. So he will be 21 on draft night of next year's draft. Zero sacks allowed on 299 true pass blocking snaps last season. Pressure percentage of just 3%. I will note run blocking grade of 59.4, and we'll kind of get into that with the strengths and weaknesses,

but this kid's so damn good for uh for a player who is six foot six 320 pounds i mean they just don't move like all the does um the foot fires off the snap man whether it is a 45 degree angle kick slide whether it's a total vertical kick slide and he's going up against a super wide edge rusher, whatever. He is in his stance and he fires to cover so much ground in his kick slide. And he does it with great balance, great coordination. And that just is the framework of a phenomenal pass rusher. Somebody whose feet move that quickly, who stays that balanced,

and who's able to cover that much ground right off of the snap. Eyes are always active. I mean, he's even looking before the snap. This is something that I noted from all the games I watched of him. You see him in the pre-snap. Not only is he communicating when he thinks it's important, but like he will look at the guy who he believes is coming at him, but then you will see his head turn, and he will look at the linebackers. He will look at the player who's next to him, and he will go, okay, do I need to – is all of my focus on the guy who's right in front of me to my left who's trying to come to my outside shoulder, or do I have to worry about him, but also if the linebacker's going to loop around, is that my responsibility as well? You could just tell that he's got an eye for where pressure is coming from i mentioned the flexibility the footwork easy mover getting to the second level as well i think that if you use him as a puller which you don't often use his tackles but if you're using him as a puller you're plenty happy with the ground he's able to cover he's such

an athlete for a player who is um of his size a couple weaknesses to game. I feel like the hands were a little bit low before contact. I feel like his hands were, he was just holding them a little bit low, which is okay. It's not the worst thing in the world because I noted that they're low because he likes to scoop. Like he, that's kind of his style almost.

That's like almost his technique. He likes to scoop his hands up to the inner parts of of where pass rushers are coming out i've been trying to get to their chest from underneath them which helps for natural leverage sometimes it can expose his chest a little bit and i saw that but it's it's it's more of a preference thing than really anything else because again going back to that joe th Thomas film breakdown, Thomas talks about that. He talks about using his hands to get underneath the armpit and kind of like scooping these guys up. And it allows him to continue to remember how leverage works, especially for a guy who's six foot six. It's important to remember that. So that's something

to note there. This is the biggest area of his game that I want to see improvement from. I didn't see that mean streak as a run blocker. He's a finesse player right now, and it makes for a beautiful pass protector. But he will get outmaneuvered and sometimes overpowered even by linebackers, and it shouldn't be the case. He's too big, and I know he's too good of an offensive lineman for that't be the case. He's too big. And I know he's too good of an offensive lineman for that to be the case. I want to see that mean streak as a run blocker. And that's what I'm really hoping that we see this upcoming year. Uh, my spark notes version for him, or my, just my little spark notes for him before I turned over to you, Connor for Sean, who could have

declared last year and met a first round pick in 2020 easy. His movement skills for his size are incredibly impressive. Foot speed and body control, balance, recovery, all of them are starting NFL caliber. He is not as imposing as a run blocker as he could be, but power can be taught. I just need that mentality to kind of flip the switch with him. He's also incredibly smart. He's always aware of his surroundings and he is a technician when it comes to where his hands are going he understands the teamwork and chemistry element of playing offensive line he will absolutely compete for a top 10 selection this upcoming draft yeah man i mean he's he's almost the prototype right i wrote down i was looking at you know just his body type and some of the gifts he has

in pass pro and you think all the way back to when jake long was a top pick for the dolphins and just how this guy comes out and it's just this is exactly what you want of your tackles yeah in terms of the build the athleticism i thought he dictates the reps in pass pro he's so explosive off the snap it's like he he has a head start in every rep that's when you're that experience way to look at it he's got a head start and it's it's not cheating it's not you know being penalized it's just gifts the feet and lateral quickness to mirror against speed teammates rave about his iq and recognition ability that is i think you see it man you see yeah i think juice scruggs is on the record center drafted pretty early last year of just raving about fashanu being able to diagnose what's coming and that

for a young player without a lot of experience to do that on the offensive line it's really really special he can recover with agility strength and length when it's counter-attack time he's got every every card in the pocket right if it's i need to counter with strength i could i could hold the point of attack if i need my length i can get that out if i need to be agile because this guy's got speed i have that too didn't surrender a sack i think you said that trevor um there are flashes of striking power in the run game flashes but it's it's just not it's not dialed up enough and if if he finds that you you have a i i need prototype prospects i need patches of hooligan to go up to him like in the movie dodgeball and just go up to the guy

who wears the goggles and says like i need you to get mean you know yep i need you to get angry that's what i want to see out of olufashano because then he can take over a dodgeball game and he can take over a drive as an offensive tackle 100 it's yeah i wrote in the in the negatives just the killer instinct in the run game is just not dialed up yet consistently i think he could generate more lower body power as a drive blocker it's that's just getting stronger um you know before we close the book on the tackles i had the story on the uh on him from the athletic from audrey snyder the beginning is just phenomenal to sum it up you know the football coaches were just watching him play basketball and they were just bugging the hell out of his father to play football.

And his father basically just like stopped answering the phone and stopped answering them. And then his first day, I believe this is of high school. His dad goes, I dropped him off in the morning at the end of the day, around four o'clock, I called him and said, okay, I'm coming to pick you up. He said, no dad, I can't go early in the morning. When I went to class, coach came in and handed me all this football gear. And Anthony laughs and says, it's his dad.

That's how Olu's football career started. So it was just, he couldn't escape it. He was basketball. His dad was all about that. They weren't really about football. And then they got him to play and the rest is history. I mean, he was, that's the kid was late to the sport. He was a three-star recruit and now he's a bonafide top pick.

So it's, it's awesome. awesome he's awesome his family seems awesome he's smart he's gifted if he continues to get even an ounce better he'll be as high as you can grade a prospect on the tackle position i think or close to it uh anybody else for tackles that you want to shout out before we move to interior offensive linemen i got at least least one that I definitely want to shout out. Yeah, I'll throw one out there quick. Brandon Coleman from TCU. I know he was on the fence about declaring last year. He ends up going back to school.

The numbers in terms of what he gave up in pass pro aren't the prettiest, but when you watch him in the natty against Georgia, he had a really, really good game. He's got a really strong anchor with the lower mass that he has. He's played guard and tackle. I think he's going to be a top 65 pick. Okay. All right.

I wanted to shout out Amarius Mims, the right tackle from Georgia. Broderick Jones obviously got a lot of the hype last year, but Mims himself, a five-star offensive tackle prospect who is starting to figure it out. And I think a lot of the positives that you had for Patrick Paul, those exist with Mims, but they exist with SEC competition, SEC tape, SEC athleticism. Mims is 6' seven, 330 pounds.

So Paul was six foot seven, 308. So he's even bigger than Paul is. And I think Mims is more flexible. I think he's more balanced. I think he's faster. Like I think he's a better athlete overall. So there's a- Five star that went to Georgia, good chance.

Yeah. So I think that like Mims is somebody who could have a huge jump of a year because of what I saw last year. There's a lot of, right. I mean, like there's a lot of, some inconsistencies with him. But man, when you talk about ball of clay, guy that you want to bet on,

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the interior offensive line together and it's actually in a way maybe more effective this year because god there are a lot of guys that might be switching positions or playing both through the all-star circuit. It's very interesting, this group, more so than ever. Here are my five. My number five for me was a center I really, really like, and that's Cedric Van Praan from Georgia, who, you know, two-time national champ, two-year starter, really good player, really good player. Could not leave him out of the top five, honestly he could have slid anywhere in my opinion from five to two maybe number four um

is it is it jv on cohen yes jv on cohen who me and you were texting a lot about cohen he he's fascinating because he had he made maybe some of the biggest improvements in the country in pass pro from 2021 to 2022 for Alabama and now he transfers to Miami so great for Miami but I I thought this dude could have been a really important piece for Alabama right this year I know you felt the same Trevor see he was number four for me he's a guard so Van Praan the center from the from Georgia Cohen the guard from Alabama that will play for Miami this year number three for me Zach Frazier the center from West Virginia uh maybe my favorite surprise of you know who I got to watch I not that I had massive or low expectations he just he was

great he's a really talented player, a true center. Cooper Beebe was number two for me. We talked so much about him last summer. He was very highly regarded for us in last summer's summer scouting show. The exact quote from us, and you're going to hear it again, was I've seen what I needed to see at this level. I wish I got to see him challenged at a higher level more often because he, it's almost boring. Number one for me, Troy Fontenot from Washington. He's a tackle right now. Oh, wow. You got him that high? Yeah.

I'm assuming he's going to play guard at the next level. That's what a lot of the rumbling is. He's a tackle at college, but he's a phenomenal football player, a phenomenal football player. And my number one, it's your offensive lineman going into the year okay yeah that your reaction is probably how a lot of people will feel i i but when you turn on the tape from last year it's that dude's got it all when you because you go through his deficiencies and you're like okay all of his deficiencies will be completely eliminated i think from a move inside but

it's the classic we're in the pack, we need a tackle, he's going to play tackle for us right now. So I don't totally agree, but I do like Fountain a lot. I have him at five, so he was five for me. I went back and forth between him and Zach Zinter from Michigan, and they're kind of two different players. Zinter's got a lot of power. I just think he's a really solid overall player.

And that group is great, the Michigan group got a lot of power. I just think he's a really solid overall player. And that group is great. The Michigan group. I know. Yeah. And he just like, he is somebody who the game comes very easy to him. I think he's got scarred at starting caliber traits at the NFL level. I don't know if he's ever going to be this,

like blow you away focal point of an interior line of the league, but like, he'll be a study player, I think. So, um, super, what'd you say?

Steady Eddie. Yeah. That's what I thought. But I, so I, I went back and forth with him at five and six, um, super, what'd you say? Steady Eddie. Yeah, that's what I thought. But I, so I, I went back and forth with him at five and six, um, steady center did land. No, I don't, I don't, I don't think that, I don't think that works. Um, but Fountain new from Washington, I have him at five and I agree his,

he is so alluring i'm a little worried about him because he's listed at six foot three and a half 219 and 19 sorry 319 of course he was probably 219 in fifth grade i would i would indeed be worried if he was 219 so he's 319 and when I look at his frame, the. When I look at his frame versus his game. I still think that he needs to get stronger. I still think that he needs to be more of a people mover to be a full time interior offensive lineman. And I don't know how much more weight he's going to put on than 320. But maybe he's listed at 320 and he played lighter last year.

I don't know. You're going to find a theme in my rankings here. I am heavily weighing interior offensive line towards strength and power because I just didn't see a lot of it with a lot of these players. And Troy is one of those dudes who I think he's a really great mover.

I love his mentality. He is just a, he is a, a lightning bolt, a fire bug, like whatever you want to call it. Like he is just a spark plug in that offensive line. Yeah. And he has so much energy for it. He has so much passion for it. I love his mentality.

I just don't want him to get pushed around in the middle. Like, I think that you've got to – he can't play offensive tackle because he does not have the reach. He does not have the length to play offensive tackle. He can't protect the edge. He will not be able to play it at the NFL level. But I think that he's good enough of an offensive lineman to play somewhere. How much more weight can you throw on him?

How much stronger can he get? Because if you tell me he can get stronger, I'm a lot closer to where you have him at number one than where I currently have him at number five because I like him at number one than where I have currently have him at number five, because I like him a lot, but that's why I have him at number five. So this is, again, we're flipping everything on our head. You had Faltinu at one and you had Bibi at two, right? So you had Bibi at four? I had Bibi at four. Yeah. And Cooper Bibi, kind of the way that we looked at him last year, super wide base, really nice footwork, can mirror and match with guys in front of him.

I just didn't think he played with a lot of power, and I did not think he went up against a lot of power while playing in the Big 12. Now, I will say this. I don't want to take this away from him. The Alabama game, which I went to watch specifically for this reason, he was up to the challenge. He played well. I still didn't see him like moving dudes because he is more of a,

he's more of a master of angles. Like he will position his body exactly the way it needs to be positioned to where even if he's not moving you off a spot, he's making it real annoying for you to get around him. And chances are the running back's probably going to have enough time to just run up the gap wherever it is. So he's more of a guy who understands angles. He's more of a geometry guy than he is somebody

who's just going to physically dominate you. But I wondered if the physical profile is going to be something that really holds him back from being successful at the NFL level. His testing is testing's massive. I'll say it right now. Yo. Yeah. Cause he has to test really,

really well. Um, Christian Mahogany for Boston college is three for me, dude. I freaking love him. And the, he's, he's guard four for me.

Okay. So guard three made the list in Cohen. So he'd probably be IOL six. Okay. I mean, without the injury last year, I thought last summer he was on his way to being a top 60 pick. Yeah. So he tore his ACL in a home workout, unfortunately, before last season. So we haven't seen him play football since 2021.

But that 2021 film is nice he's six foot six 333 pounds both of those numbers are in the 93rd percentile for interior offensive lineman this dude moves people like i think he's got a lot of power to his game and i could even tell you that he could even pack more of a punch to it if he had a little bit more of a again like i i feel dumb saying that these guys don't have mean streaks they play in the trenches and they and they get their bodies beat up and they're displacing guys all the time but like i like mahogany so much i think that he's got even more room to be a massive people mover and a power player so i love the power ability to him

he aces the off the bus test with the with the height and the weight. Got great anchorability, especially when it comes to guys who are coming from the second level linebackers. He neutralizes those immediately. He's super attentive to where pressure is coming. He's a little late to pressure as it's arriving. I'm kind of reading over my strengths and weaknesses of him now, but that's what you're going to get with a player who is of his size. I'll take the power profile over that any day. Javion Cohen from Alabama,

now Miami. I have him at number two. This is also a player who I absolutely love. Former four-star, spent the first three seasons at Alabama, started Alabama all of last season. This dude was, if you watch a game of JV on Cohen, you want to see what he could do, turn on the Tennessee game. It's like every single player, every single box defender on the Tennessee roster insulted his family personally. And he took that to heart. There is one rep that was so good.

I sent it to Connor a couple of days ago. Didn't care if it swayed his thought on JV and Cohen. No, I'm glad you did. Cohen displaces three pass rushers in one play, including burying the late dog blitzing linebacker to the ground. When he gets him in between his shoulders, he,

he completely displaces the guy who's immediately in his own at the snap there is then a crashing linebacker that is or a crashing defensive end that's coming his way that he shoves all the way across the line and neutralizes him and he does all of that fast enough and powerful enough to then catch the incoming linebacker get him in between his shoulders and throw him on the ground that's the mentality that's the speed that's the power that we're talking about dog meter the dog meter is off the charts with jay and cohen so i really hope that we see another year as good as what we saw last year from cohen because to read the to read my little spark notes of him cohen brings a physical mentality that is

absolutely necessary for playing the position at a high level at the NFL, he consistently is looking to dominate the point of attack early and often. At times, that aggressive nature can get him in trouble a bit, but I'd much rather have to coach that down, especially for how well he moves at 6'4", 340 pounds. So moves super well, punishing mentality, absolutely loved it. My number one is Cedric Van Praam from Georgia. He is the center that has played on Georgia's national championship winning offensive lines over the last two seasons.

Six foot four, 310 pounds. It's both in the 53rd percentile, both of those. Again, this is a player who I gravitated toward because he just punched you in the mouth because he's not afraid to get physical with you. And he absolutely wins more of those matchups than he loses. He's got a strong, wide base. He can neutralize all sorts of bull rushes that are coming, whether it's head up, whether

it's a shade on his shoulders, whether it's a late blitz coming up the middle. I mean, he's able to just stonewall you. Love the grip strength as well. With centers, especially when you hike that ball, good chance you're getting hands on somebody pretty early. And when're getting hands on somebody pretty early and when he gets hands on somebody he ain't letting go he's got a vice grip hands which are that's a that is a power characteristic that i really really love weakness of his game you can tell like he's working hard to run when he's asked to pull he just doesn't he's just he just doesn't

move super fast he's i agree he's just a power player but it's funny because like he'll snap the ball and you'll see the legs and the arms they're churning like he's trying to get to the spot he's trying to cut off the defense so hard he does he's so damn hard he had he had a uh a pancake block at the second level i forget who again it was against probably oregon and like he finishes the block and he looks at the sideline and he started headbanging it's on the all 22 tape and i was like i love this man he's awesome that is that is interior line play for me um spark notes for him van pran is a very powerful interior player he thrives in man and gap schemes where he is able to be one-on-one in a phone booth or when participating in duo blocks

he's not unathletic but movement in space and zone blocking won't be his best strength his competitive toughness his fight within him will give him uh the potential to be a starter at the NFL level at either guard or center. So the five for me, we've got two more. We've got two finesse players at five and four with Fountain and Cooper BB and then three to one for me. It was just the players that showed the ability to play with power because that is such a necessary part of playing on the interior, specifically at the NFL level. And, you know, we can discuss these five guys and we can discuss some of the guys that weren't in our top fives as well. But I, it was, that was not a guarantee. It just was not a guarantee in that class. I watched 10 of these interior offensive linemen

and for a good portion of them, a lot of them are these finesse players that are really good on the move, really good in open space, and it's fine. But when it comes to anchoring and when it comes to displacing the guys in front of them when you're running up the A or the B gap, I just didn't see a ton of that. And those three players, Mahogany, Cohen, and Van Praan, I know those guys can do it. And I know that that is a baseline of what you have to do to get on the field at the NFL level. So that's why I had my five the way that I did.

I like it. The one guy I would add in that I'll talk about is Zach Frazier from West Virginia, the fourth year junior. I didn't get to watch him. I didn't get to watch him, so I got to watch him. He fits a lot of what you like. I mean, 33 career starts. He started nine games at left

guard in 2020 25 total starts at center from 2021 to 2022 four-time high school state champion wrestler oh yeah yeah you know you already know so beautiful unique amount of college experience along the interior of the offensive line for a player going into his fourth year i thought he had to do a lot of heavy lifting i thought the guard play next to him and pass pro it just felt like he had to make up for a lot of lapses sometimes they're even strength from head to toe which you know wrestling background nothing really surprises you they're just even strength from head to toe he's very square when blocking very balanced when blocking plus peripheral vision iron man kind of guy just always out there can play all three interior spots and here's the thing trevor

to your point played up to top competition such as siaki ika and kalijah can't see when i saw that i'm like great cool science seal delivered i think frazier will be a top three center in this class him and van pran i feel uh, very confident in in this center class because we've just seen it from them out there. And they're in for big years. They'll probably go through the all-star circuit. I'll throw in two more guys that are total finesse athletic types at center, getting away from Frazier and Van Praan.

Dylan McMahon from NC State. He's a weird one because I love what he could do at center. But last year, so 6'3 and an 8'2, 95. So you're almost in like... Illinois, was it Green? It went to the Steelers. I can't remember his first name. Sorry, last name was Green.

He was the last interior offensive line guy I could think of that was barely 300 pounds. It's just a unique, unique spot to be in. Last year, McMahon played 108 snaps at left guard, 277 at center and 400 at right guard. I don't think that's a good recipe to set your player up for success, but obviously a team guy. He's a center at the next level at that size, top tier quickness that it really shines at the center

position but he's a middleweight fighting in the heavyweight arena and then another guy i really like that i think it's an nfl center is christian haynes and i know you got to see a little bit of him trevor yeah i think haynes home is a long-term center i think he's gonna play there this year even though he's a guard for yukon he's another really really good athlete so this class it has athletes on the interior of the offensive line. If you're looking to be a predominantly heavy outside zone team. So Kendrick Green actually showed up to the combine at 305. I just looked it up.

And now the Steelers have him listed at 315. So they threw some weight on him. You can't be playing sub three. Yeah. I remember going through his tape and I loved him going through his tape with an O-line coach um and he was like dude he's we had him playing at like 293 this year like we just we i could love him and we just can't draft a guy like that so it's just just how the league goes sometimes so a shout out zach center i like him a lot uh if you're into

again just more of a power profile player um i almost had him at number five. I almost had him in this top five. So that just goes to show that I was a fan of his game. I think that he's rock solid. I really do. Haynes was seven for me. Love the movement skills of him. I also feel as though center could be his best position. So I would agree with you there. One last guy that I wanted to shout out for sure. Donovan Jackson from Ohio State. He's an interior offensive lineman for him. 6'4", 320 pounds, former five-star guy, moves super well. Of the players who I think could really rise up this list, he is absolutely one of them. He's got some of the best movement skills of anybody that I watch in the class.

Again, his game is just a little bit too finesse. I just didn't see him displacing players, showing that kind of power that's really needed. And he could be somebody who, if he packs on some extra strength that we saw or that we could see this upcoming season, a lot of people will watch him and go, they don't move like this dude does. There's a reason why he's a five-star interior offensive lineman. So I wanted to shout out Jackson because I could see a major rise for him, but he's just a little too much finesse right now.

Needs to round out his power profile, but there we go. Anybody else? I like it. I think we got through a lot today for offensive line. Those are the big beauties. Let us know what you guys thought of our offensive tackle rankings, of our interior offensive line rankings. Some of the guys that just missed out on the list.

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But hey, before we close. Yeah, I'm an idiot. Obviously, I really wanted to open the show with this. Not really. I just we we do so much draft, so much draft in college this time here which is great it's how we like it's why we exist i real quick what because i'm in new york and i see all of it uh really funneled in either one side or the other nothing in the middle how do you think the giants and saquon barkley figure this thing out i know it is so wild but it does have to do

with our show because we evaluate running back prospects and the market. Joe Mixon just took a pay cut. Dalvin Cook's a free agent. Austin Eckler is extremely unhappy right now. Like there's been rumors of offers that he hasn't accepted. Do you think we've gone too far to the other side where if a guy is the best playmaker on his team, I'm not saying you got to give him a four year deal of guaranteed money, but I really wanted your we haven't talked to NFL in so long and it is the best playmaker on his team, I'm not saying you got to give him a four-year deal of guaranteed money, but I really wanted your take. We haven't talked NFL in so long, and it is the biggest storyline I see,

besides DeAndre Hopkins signing with the Titans, but like whatever, right now. I just want your like 30 seconds on this before we get off the air. Is the deadline Monday? Yeah, Evan Ingram got done, so that deadline is quickly approaching. Great for Evan Ingram. What a resurgence.

I think it's Monday. I was always of the mindset that I thought that they were going to. Great for Evan Ingram. What a resurgence. I think it's Monday. I was always of the mindset that I thought that they were going to figure it out with Barkley. Me too. It's just so important to that franchise. It just feels like they're in on this core, right? You give Daniel Jones the money. You're giving some of these other players. You're investing on both sides of the ball.

It feels like they're in on this core. They made the playoffs last year. But I also don't think that Joe Shane is just going to like throw around money willy nilly. And I know a lot of people go take wants the best playmaker on that team. I agree. Probably not what you want. Right?

Like you, you would want like you would at the very least want a conversation between sake one and probably two other players who are impacting the passing game yes so the scarcity of what you have in the passing game should not force you to overpay on a position this return on investment is uh lower in margin to others so like i'm i'm all for i know we're ending this podcast with like oh here we go pff with running backs but like you and i are the you and i are the bad boys the pff bad boys i'm not saying you shouldn't play saquon barkley and ultimately i felt like he was going to get a deal with it with the new york giants i just don't know exactly what he's like

digging his heels in for if the offers have been absolute i'm not going to pretend to have have no that's the thing no one knows single offer so i don't know i i think they're going to pay him i think that he's going to be in New York for a while. That's just my take. But yeah. All right. I'm glad I asked your two cents because it is it is just a revolving topic. And it it's I think this, especially for this show and these listeners, the conversation

to me is about the future of the position more than Saquon Barkley and the Giants. And it's fascinating to watch. I think it's also about the future development of the team. Like, again, I think a major factor of this is, sure, Saquon Barkley is the best playmaker on the team right now. It shouldn't be Saquon Farnwell. For as talented as Saquon is, it shouldn't be like, oh, Saquon's the best playmaker on the team, no question about it.

The roster should be better. The roster should have a couple of guys in the passing attack to where you go, okay, well, it's a conversation between three of them. And if it's a conversation between three of them, are you selling out all the money for Saquon still? If you are, then okay. Then make the deal. But if not, don't hamstring your team from getting better the way it needs to get better

so if you also hate running backs hit us up on the youtube comments if you guys are listening on audio only we still love you um you can hit us up on instagram on twitter on threads even though i haven't logged into threads in like six days it's dead it's all damn rest in peace connor j rogers threats died so fast i i thought trevor like you own threads he's like no i'm firing memes like you gotta start you gotta start threading i'm like all right fine i'll start threading like three days later nobody's nobody's sent out a thread it's literally collecting cobwebs it's dead it's dead folks maybe it's not Hell of a run. Summer scouting is not dead. Even though the,

we're done with the offensive side of the ball. We were flipping over to defense. And as we often do on this podcast, we don't know what we're doing. No, really? We have no idea. We don't know if we're doing address your interior defensive lineman. Maybe we'll just have to wait and let it be a surprise.

When you guys see the episode drop boom that's the position suckers you gotta run and watch the video connor anything else before we get out of here no no i already shot one random one random topic at you that's all i got in the holster i'm glad that sentence ended with you shooting a topic and not something else because i thought that we were about to incriminate you as a co-host here on this podcast oh no no no no no i barely i almost got this the sweaty sack summer almost got me off the show i'm done i'm out of words for what a fine evening on the stock exchange i'm trevor sigma that's conor rogers

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