NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 2025 Offensive Rookie of the Year Draft

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers revisit their annual tradition of drafting against one another their top offensive rookie of the year candidates for the 2025 season.

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL stock exchange podcast presented by arena, the sports super app that combines DFS sports news and social media all in one place. You guys can download that over on the app store. Just search arena sports. I'm Trevor Sikama. With me as always is Connor Rogers. Today, what we are doing here on the show, Offensive Rookie of the Year Draft, baby. We're back to draft and we couldn't, we couldn't say no to it for too long. You knew that we had to get back to it because that's the roots here on this show. So here we're going to go back and forth. We're going to have a very heated

draft against one another to draft who is gonna be offensive for the year in 2025. Connor, how are we doing, my friend? I'm good, man. This is, as you reminded me before the show, this is a concept that we didn't do last year. We did it in the past and we had a lot of fun with it. There was a lot going on.

We kind of disappeared for a couple of weeks last year and largely because I got married after the draft. Yeah, selfishly. Selfishly you got married and we couldn't do content. We didn't do content for a couple weeks. This year is not the case. We are not going anywhere. Look I told them to bring the mic and the camera to St. Lucia and then just write off the honeymoon as a business expense.

I told them to do it. I told them to do it. Imagine stock exchange. I have the mic attached to it. I'm wearing a headset mic and I'm floating in the pool or in the ocean. That actually would have been incredible. Yeah, I'm sure my marriage would have lasted really long

if I did the podcast on my honeymoon. So yeah, it's back. We love to do this snake giraffe style. And you know what? It's a great year for this concept because while there isn't a favorite, it's not completely insane at the top, and then the field does open up

where I'm really fascinated to how, and you and I are in a dynasty draft right now together for one of our leagues, so we're kind of seeing, which is a little different than obviously a dynasty draft, but we're seeing how certain people value these rookies compared to others, and it's the same concept for Rookie of the Year odds.

So we are in a dynasty league with a lot of people who are in the industry. It's a lot of fun. It's a same concept for rookie of the year odds. So we are in a dynasty league with a lot of people who are in the industry. It's a lot of fun. It's a good league. My team was absolutely horrendous last year. And so I had the number one overall pick in the rookie draft.

I'm not going to give away who I drafted, because it's going to go into this episode here. Because you took RJ Harvey. So number one overall. Yeah, obviously I took RJ Harvey, so number one. Yeah, obviously I took RJ Harvey as one should. Connor, do you realize that I've picked three times in the first round though? Do you realize I've traded back up twice?

Oh, I've seen you make, well, so I am somebody that I get no notifications to my Apple Watch. Smart. Cause I hate them. And I get very few to my phone, especially this time of year. Text messages in chats that don't hide alerts for, like my Ring app, I think that's pretty much it, but Sleeper, that league, I have notifications on

for almost everything. So, every message, every draft pick, every waiver claim, every trade, and my phone has been buzzing of you making, you must have three phones, crossed phones. You're just like, where? I'm back. Yeah, it's amazing. You are back.

Rebuilding in dynasty is a lot of fun. And that's the real fun of it is making moves. And you've had yourself a draft, my friend. The issue is, and this just to give people a baseline of like, we're rip roaring and ready to go. Like we're ready for this topic. We've been thinking about it for weeks with this rookie draft coming up. You know, the thing was we started this league three years ago. Shout out Kyle Yates, a great friend of the podcast who started this

league and brought this league together. It's been a lot of fun. I think it was like three or four years ago, something like that. Wait, haven't you won this league? I've come close every multiple times and I can't get over the hump. But I really, I really think this is the year. I really do. Not to sound too cocky. Sure pal. Yeah, tell yourself that every year. I didn't last year, let me tell you.

And the reason why is because when a dynasty league is beginning, the first draft is so fun because- It's unlike anything else in fantasy. You can lean one way or the other. Are you going to compete immediately or are you drafting more for the long haul? When I do dynasty leagues, I typically want to win immediately.

Me too. I want to get the title out of the way- Because no one else does. 100%. Like literally, nobody that plays dynasty ever wants to win immediately. Me too. I want to get the title out of the way. Because no one else does. 100%. Like literally nobody that plays Dynasty ever wants to win. It drives me insane. Everybody's like freaking out about what's gonna happen. So like I drafted like Tom Brady, Gronk,

like all these dudes when they were still playing for the Bucks. And so I had a super old team and it fell off hard. And I didn't, I have no, I have no title to show for it, which is not good. Last year is when I really, I'm doing what Mickey Loomis should be doing. Mickey, take notes.

I bit the bullet, I got the worst, I had the worst record, and I picked number one overall in the rookie draft. I traded up a couple of times to get back into the first round in this rookie draft, and we're back, baby. We're back moving up. We're back. We're back moving up. We're back moving up here in that league.

I love because people are willing to constantly make moves. I like it's just a league full of people that will constantly make moves where if you're in a dynasty league that that's not the case. You can get stuck for a long time and just have to hope that hey, my one first round pick this year works while my veteran team is kind of riding off into the sunset. So yeah, rebuilding's a lot of fun. And I wish you the best of luck, not too much luck,

but just enough luck. Of course. No, look, it's the same amount of luck that you and I wish each other with the Rangers and the Lightning. Yes. Oh, hey, you know what? A gentleman's handshake.

I wish you all the luck in the world until you play my team, in which case I hope you get swept. I hope you don't get a single shot on goal the entire series. That's just, yeah, that's how it goes. It's the same thing. So you mentioned this.

We love doing this exercise. It's a lot of fun. It's sort of like a summertime exercise. It gets us back into things after the draft. We did not have the chance to do this last year because like you mentioned, selfishly, you got married. So we did do this in 2023. And I went back and I was like, so I was like, okay, how do we determine who gets the first or the second pick here? Because I do think that it matters. And I was like, okay, I was like, who won last year?

And that's when I noticed that we didn't do it last year, 2023. I won this one because I picked CJ Stroud in the fourth round, which is the fourth round. Rookie of the year. That's awesome. I remember you and I, might have been after his first game, we were like, man, Strouds doesn't have a lot of help, this could be a tough one. And then the rest was history. So well done by you first off,

CJ Stroud in the fourth round, it's funny to look back at things now. We just didn't think he had enough around him to win it that year and he was phenomenal. So you should get to choose, you don't have to be forced into a slot. There's a lot of do you, there's a lot of strategy at play here. There is. And I will get to that in a second, but do you want to hear how this draft went? The whole draft actually really do. I swear I have not looked back at this. You got the first pick.

Now this is for the 2023 season, obviously the 2023 NFL draft. You got the first pick and you pick B John Robinson, which was very chalk. Yeah, you're right. No, like there was there was no other there was really no other pick there. And then Arthur Smith said, fuck you. So you got these John Robinson and the first my first pick was Bryce Young. Yikes. But then came back around Snake Style, Jameer Gibbs. So I got back to back there. back around. Snake style. Jameer Gibbs. So I got back to back there. So I went Bryce Young, Jameer Gibbs. You then went Anthony Richardson.

Just won for two games. Jackson Smith and Jigba. Okay. So that was your one too. Not bad. Smith and Jigba. Not bad. Okay. You know, maybe could have broke out, you know, but whatever. Yeah. He was number three wide receiver on that team. It was a dumb not bad. Okay, you know, maybe could have broke out, you know, but whatever. Yeah, he was number three wide receiver on that team. It was a dumb pick. I got, you know, I'm trying to save you, man. I'm trying to, I'm trying to, you know, I'm your friend here. I got then Jordan Addison was my third pick.

CJ Stroud was my fourth pick. And then at the turn, the last turn, you picked Quentin Johnston. Tough. Yeah, it's not great. Dalton Kinkade was your last pick. Oh, God. And then I got Rishi Rice at five. Wow. Kind of nailed it. All that to say, I really need to step it up this year because that was not a great

not a great draft for me at all. But the question now is, what are you gonna do? And I think I actually know the answer. Okay, I think you're gonna pass on the first pick for the snake. Absolutely not. Okay. No. No. Okay. Absolutely not.

Let's start the draft. We're kicking it off. Ashen Gentie, come home, my man. Come home, Ashen Gentie. I'm taking the new Las Vegas Raiders running back Ashen Gentie here at at number one and I'm taking this first pick and the reason why is because not only is he the odds on favorite right now he's plus 270 I'm fan dole and so that's the you know that's that's basically the best odds that you're going to find probably for Ashen Shenty who is the heavy favorite to win this award. I like the offensive line as well.

You know what? Dude, this offense is I think going to be good. I think so too. Now you're obviously upgrading your quarterbacks. You have Gino Smith. So that's a major upgrade from what they have with their situation last year. But now their offensive line is going to be Colton Miller and DJ Glaze are the offensive tackle spots. Jackson Powers Johnson is going to be at center. Dylan Parham is going to

be next to him and Jordan Meredith is going to be next to him. All of those players the lowest run blocking grade of any of them last year was DJ Glaze at a 68.4. All the rest of them were well within the 70s. Like this is a decent offensive line to run behind so if you give Ash and Gentie a little bit of that, we know that rookie running backs can hit the ground running. We know that certainly they are going to give this guy all the carries he could possibly handle. The only other running backs on this team are

Raheem Mostert, Sincere McCormick, Ismir White's still here. Dylan Lobb's not gonna take, you know, carries away from him. So I think from a volume perspective, a talent perspective, and the Raiders offensive line in general, this sets up for a pretty good situation

for Ash and Gentie to be the obvious pick for me here at number one. Well, and an absolute mad man at head coach that's gonna be screaming to run the football. Yes. Which is obviously the right approach here. So I would have done exactly what you did. I wouldn't have passed in the number one pick. I thought you were just obsessed.

Oh, see. Oh, so you were trying to, you were trying to reverse psychology. Yeah. Like where you're like, Oh, maybe I should have, you know, no, Genti deserves to be the favorite for this award. Um, one of, I have way too much futures with Raiders right now. I one have really liked them over six and a half wins. And two, Genty some places has yardage props and I like his yard totals as a ladder bet where I think it usually starts at 900 yards and goes through with it.

It goes in increments of a hundred all the way up to 1400. Obviously the odds built in that running backs get hurt. So that's the thing that you have to be worried about, of course, but if you're going to bet on a running backs yardage, you would theoretically bet on a guy that, you know, hasn't been taking NFL carries for five or six years, stay healthy and anything could happen. But I like Genti's yardage increment as a latter bet,

you know, put a little on each one. I think he's gonna have a phenomenal year, and I agree with you, he has a very good chance to win this award as do the books, which gives me back-to-back picks. And I'm not gonna surprise anybody here. I'm gonna take both Cam Ward and Travis Hunter, and I'll start.

Ah, okay. Because I think Cam, number one, had to be one of these picks, because this is the same mistake we made two years ago, where a decent quarterback prospect always has a really good chance to win this award because number one, they have the ball in every play and you know he's going to start. I do have some questions about what this pass game is going to look like out of the gate. They're still working on some of that at pass catcher. The offensive line is

going to be much, much improved, not only from the coaching they have, but from the personnel they have. I think cam's a hell of a player and I think he's going to lift this franchise. I don't know if he's going to do it as a rookie, but with how the pathway for a quarterback to win this award is always very, very clear. And that's something I'm not going to overlook in this slot. So Cam has to be one of the picks. And the oddsmakers will agree with you. I mean, Gentie across multiple books is, you know, kind of plus 250 to plus 300. Cam's kind of hovering at plus 300.

So he's not far away from being the he's a clear runner up. Now the gap is where it really starts to widen. The field after Gentian Ward is much bigger, Trevor. Yeah, well, I just wanted to touch on Ward a little bit as we talk a lot about these guys and their situations. I agree with you. You know, the offensive line should definitely be better than what it was the previous season.

You know, we'll see what Dan Moore Jr. is gonna be for them at left tackle. He's a main character of this podcast. He is. I don't know if we intended that to be. But again, he got paid good Dan Moore money. Yes. This this number two Dan Moore money to yeah.

Number two, because I can't remember what CEO is also named Dan Moore, who makes, you know, hundreds of millions of millions of dollars. But Peter Skowronski, I think he's good at left guard. Lloyd Cushionberry, if he's fully healthy, I think he's good at center. Kevin Zeitler, I think is a good signing for them at right guard. Nice head, yeah. J.C. Latham, now getting to move back to right tackle. I think that the outlook for this offensive line should certainly be better

than what it was last season. So that at least makes me feel a little bit better. I get worried about the wide receiver group. Um, it's not great yet. Cause there's Calvin Ridley obviously to throw to, but then somebody's going to basically have to win wide receiver two through four between Tyler Lockett, van Jefferson, Elic I Omaner, Traylen Burks, uh, Shimray DK, Xavier Restrepo, James Prochet, like the, and, and, and any of the the any of the combination of those three guys, you probably don't feel great about. But like you mentioned, they're not not going to play camp. Cam's going to start for all 17 games.

And with that being the case, I mean, sheer volume alone, unless he's throwing a crazy ton of picks, which it can given his style. You look at the defense side of the ball as well. I think the defense for them can be fine, but it's not like the defense is going to allow them to play in a lot of low scoring games. Cam is going to have to have some big time moments. And I think that's what's really important, right? We talk about that with Heisman Trophy winners. Oh, this guy had his Heisman moment, right? I mean, like, I think that that actually does matter for voters when it comes to offensive rookie of the year. Like Jayden Daniels had so many offensive rookie of the year moments last year. C.J.

Stroud did as well when he was a rookie. You know, Garrett Wilson had that the year before. Jamar Chase certainly and very easily had that the year before. You've got to have these moments and part of that goes into volume and certainly being on the field and winning starting jobs. Like, I don't know how many, I don't know how many like nationally televised, like major impact moments the Titans are going to be involved in with this year, but he's at least going to be the one to orchestrate it if they have any whatsoever. So he's going to have to have those major moments in my opinion to win, but he'll at least have the opportunities to have them. You know, it's interesting about their wide receiver room, just going by perception.

And obviously there's a reason he fell. Maybe it was medical, maybe teams just didn't like him as much as media consensus. If they took El Akiyamaner, the wide receiver from Stanford, instead of at 136 in the fourth round, if they took him where they took Kevin Winston Jr., like 82nd overall, would you feel, like would we all feel better about this, where we're like, hey, Iowmanner's gonna be their number two and they're really confident in him and,

I don't know, I just look at it and I'm like, I hope he's the exact player that a lot of people expect him to be and the draft ball just doesn't end up meaning anything. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know how I feel about, yeah, you liked him more than me. So yeah, I think I had him. What was it? Wide receiver five wide receiver six, like at the end of the, at the end of the draft cycle. So I believe in this guy a lot. I think he'd be great for them, especially as a touchdown type of a

player, right? Like a red zone dude, who's going to be able to be a legit red zone option for them because right now they don right now they do not have that at all outside of him. I mean, Traylon Burks is barely on the field, but he's not reliable enough to be that. Van Jefferson, Tyler Lockett, they're veterans, but they're not red zone threats. Calvin Ridley, I think, is great between the 20s and not that he can't be good in the red zone, but they need a red zone guy, in my opinion. I guess, you know, it could be Chico Conquo from the tight end position. They've got Josh Wiley, they drafted Gunnar Helm as well. But again, this just goes into Ellic I.O. Maynard and more of what you said, like if he gets drafted at 82, I probably feel better about this whole situation.

Cause I think that they would lean on him a little bit more. And now I just wonder, you know, how crowded that room is really. So it'll be interesting how it shakes out. So my next pick being Travis Hunter, obviously this is a high risk, high reward kind of pick because if Travis Hunter, who was also in the defensive rookie of the year odds board as well, by the way.

Which is hilarious. Which is absolutely hilarious, because he has to be. You make this pick because if you're guaranteed that Travis Hunter is going to focus on offense More than defense, which we don't know for sure yet Travis Hunter is arguably the best offensive player in this draft. I That's a longer conversation but

He'll be in an offense that Brian Thomas, Jr. is going to draw a ton of attention because he was a phenomenal as a rookie. Trevor Lawrence is healthy. They've invested a lot into the offensive line and Liam Cohen's there. So Hunter, it's not out of the range of outcomes that he has over 1,100 yards as a receiver if the snap count warrants that where you have to take him in this spot because the upside for Hunter is it's easy to vision offensive rookie of the year. The downside for him is that he plays more defense. I don't think he's going to, but there was no way I was passing on the talent that is Travis Hunter this year. And the board, the odds will tell you the same thing. There's more variance with his odds than most players. I've seen is plus 600, I've seen plus 800.

So they don't really know how to price him yet. And it's gonna be very fluid until Jacksonville shows their hand. Yeah, I mean, he's a nightmare, right? For books. Oh, terrifying. They don't know what's going to happen this upcoming season. Which was the Heisman situation with him too,

let's not forget. What do you mean? Like, he was an insane value for the Heisman because with him too, let's not forget. What do you mean? Like he was an insane value for the Heisman because nobody really thought Colorado would be good enough that it would put out a Heisman caliber player and nobody was sure that he could just play at that level on both sides of the ball for an entire season. And then none of it mattered anyway and he won the Heisman.

Yeah. Yeah, when it comes to him on offense though, I do agree with you, this was the obvious next choice because you look at the Jags stats from last season. Evan Ingram, 64 targets, not on the team anymore. Christian Kirk, 47 targets, not on the team anymore. Gabe Davis, 42 targets, not on the team anymore. It Davis, 42 targets, not on the team anymore. It's over 150 targets, if I'm doing math correctly,

very quickly off the top of my head, or it's close to 150 targets, that no longer exist on this team. And it's not like they have anybody else to lean on, because Brian Thomas Jr. got 133 targets for this team last year. Evan Ingram was second with 64. Breton Strange was third with 53.

He's still there, but still, they're not going to increase Brendan Strange's workload like well beyond 50 targets, 53 targets. Travis Etienne got 52 targets and okay, like if he's fully healthy, maybe he gets a little bit more than that because he's a good receiver out of the backfield, but that's not eating into Travis Hunter's targets. And then it's Parker Washington with 51. So Parker Washington already was a benefactor of the fact that Gabe Davis and Christian Kirk didn't play a full season last year. So Parker Washington already was a benefactor of the fact that Gabe Davis and Christian Kirk didn't play a full season last year. So you're not looking

at Christian Kirk, you're not looking at Parker Washington's numbers and saying, oh well Parker Washington's now gonna like vault up to 80 or 90 targets this year. Basically all those targets are going to Hunter. So like I... That's why they paid the price they did. I genuinely think Travis Hunter is getting like a hundred targets this year. And if you think that that's the case, that's why they paid the price they did. I genuinely think Travis Hunter's getting like a hundred targets this year. And if you think that that's the case, that's absolutely enough volume to be an offensive rookie of the year type of player. Yeah, to put it in perspective, let's just go back to. Okay, so Garrett Wilson in 2022 when he won it, he did have 147 targets.

But to be fair, it was also quite the calamity of quarterbacks throwing him the ball, not Trevor Lawrence. Right, right. So, and he needed that kind of target share to even have a shot at it, where Travis Hunter, I agree with you that 100 to 115 targets for Hunter and he can win it. I'm looking at the Bucs as well,

because Liam Cohen's now their offense coordinator and Liam Cohen, Mike Evans had 110 targets last year. Now he missed three games obviously with a hamstring injury so he could have had plenty more. But then it was like K-Dot had 87, Chris Godwin had 62. Chris Godwin had 62 targets in just seven games last season. They are peppering him, which you would think is the role that Travis Hunter is going to play.

Jalen McMillan had 58, Rashad White had 57, Bucky Irving at 52, Sterling Shepherd at 51. Like they passed the damn ball last year in Tampa and they're going to do the same thing. Liam Cohen is going to try to do the same thing with Jacksonville this year. So I can understand why you had Travis Hunter as the next man up here. I can. All right. You're back on the clock. I am. Before we get to that, shout out to our friends over at Arena presenting sponsors of this podcast. This is the sports super app that we would love for you guys to download and we'll tell you why in a second.

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I'm going Tentor O. McMillan as my first one. And I'll talk about Tentor O. McMillan. Okay. As my first one. And I'll talk about Tet or O. McMillan so I don't have to make my second pick quite yet. Yeah, no, I don't think that's the right way to do it. We like suspense on this podcast. Tet's plus a thousand right now. He's got the fourth best odds. So we are right in line with what is essentially basically the four best odds players to win

Rookie of the Year. And I think that they're appropriately marked here in the markets. Tet has the opportunity to be the wide receiver one on this team, right? You and I talked about it all the way through the off season. Carolina doesn't just have a wide receiver need. They had a top tier wide receiver need. And I think they drafted a top tier wide receiver, and they certainly used the draft capital that would say that that's exactly what they were doing

when they took McMillan at number eight overall. I think he will be their red zone threat. I think he will get the touchdowns. I think he is better with yards after catch than people are giving him credit for. Now, I do think that it's going to be a struggle for him at the NFL, not quite like it was at Arizona, because I think that the Pac-12 and wait, where were they? The Pac-12, the Big 12? I can't keep up. Whatever conference they were in last year, very clearly, technically got to play in both. Yeah, the teams that they were up against did not have the corners to match up with him. So it was not a lot of press coverage. It was a lot of off coverage. He was eating up soft zone. You won't really do that at the NFL level. There was a clip, I can't remember what podcast it was,

where somebody was asking Malik neighbors. They were like, uh, like, Oh, what's the difference between the NFL and college football? He's like, look, he's like, even in the sec, like everybody in the NFL is like that. That's what he said. He's like, he's like, sometimes you could, he's like in college, you, if like they had a weak link and they probably had a couple, he's like, we would go after that weak link every single time. They get me matched up against him. You know, BTJ would be matched up against him, whatever. If you, they had a weak link,

which they almost always did, they would just go after him hard. He's like, there are no weak links in the NFL. He, he was even joking. He was like, you can see a corner on the other side of the other team. He's wearing a bad number. He's wearing like 35. He's got no arm sleeves, no gloves on, whatever. And he's still like a former first round pick and he can lock your ass up if you don't actually pay attention to it.

And so things are obviously different. That's obviously coming from somebody that's very talented. Things are different in the NFL than college football. So he's not gonna have as much yards after the catch, but I do certainly think the touchdowns and the targets are going to be there for Tet. And if they are going to give Bryce Young every opportunity to prove that he could be the franchise quarterback, it's going to run through Tetra O. McMillan. And it better run through

Tetra O. McMillan because if it doesn't, and if he is not up to the challenge for it, then I am worried about Carolina's passing game. And I start to get worried about Bryce Young there this season. So I'm going to go with Tet here because they need him as my number two pick here in this rookie of the year draft. Yeah, absolutely. Something that you and I talk about a lot in fantasy football and awards like this and just overall rookie analysis is of course, opportunity slash volume. And of course, talent matters a lot, but we think Ted gets both that's

why you picked him so high this is an offense last year that Xavier LeGette had 84 targets he led the team Adam Thielen in just 10 games had 62 targets there is you know D'Yonte Johnson at 58 across seven games which is crazy to look back at there's so much target share here for a guy that was taken in the top 10 that Dave Canales, like he's going to find every single way to get this guy to football. It's going to be forced targets where. For this to come home, you probably need, you know, unfortunately, a Jante

injury, an underwhelming cam ward year. And this is why he's going in this spot. Average offensive play from Travis Hunter because he's also playing defense, but those aren't like those aren't ridiculous outcomes. Those things happen. It's football. So I probably would have made, I think I would have made the same pick as you in this slot. I think Ted's gonna just have so much opportunity

and you and I, the last two people on earth still think he's really, really good, which, and the Panthers. It was actually nice that there was a third party in the world that was like, hey, Tammick Millen is good. Yeah, Dan Morgan. Yes. It's us three.

Okay, you said that you probably would have made that pick with Ted there. I don't think that you would make the pick that I'm about to make here. Okay. I'm gonna take Matthew Golden. I would not have, but I'm excited to hear your thoughts. I'm gonna take Matthew Golden here,

whose odds are after, honestly, after Tetro McMillan, it gets pretty even with a lot of players that are sort of in that same tier of odds that we have to win offensive rookie of the year. I'll go with Matthew Golden. And the reason why is because of how much I love the fit with the Green Bay Packers. We'll start off with this. Jordan Love wants to throw the ball deep. That's what he wants to do. He wants to attempt the big throws.

Not that he can't. I'm not sitting here saying that he can't play within the offense, but you could even tell. If there are a handful of drives where, you know, like it's a little bit more west coast stuff, you know, it's the bottom of his hand. You can tell he gets the itch. Like he's like, somebody just, come on,

like dial it deep, please. He's got a smidge of Jamis in them We got scouts in the stands, baby. I gotta show him the cannon You know and it's so he has a little you're right like he has a little bit of it's a smidge It's like a pinky of Jamis and it's the Jamis devil on your shoulder, but like smaller He's like just a little bit like a little bit smaller the green goblin meme. Yeah, but the mask Coward and so little bit like a little bit smaller. The green goblin meme. Yeah, but the mask is just just coward. And so that I love the fit because look at this passing attack right now. Christian Watson is hurt. Romeo Dobbs dealing

with concussions. Don Tavian wicks could not catch last year. And that's not Jayden Reed's game. And the tight ends I think were, I think Luke Musgrave would have been that vertical stretching tight end. But now Tucker Kraft is very clearly tight end one in that offense and that's not his game. Anytime the Packers want to throw deep, guess who they're going to throw it to, especially early on in the season when Christian Watson's not there, Matthew Golden. And so if the Packers are going to keep up in this division, one of, if not the best division in the NFL, they're going to have to score points. The defense simply wasn't good enough last year. They didn't really do much at cornerback. The cornerback room's not that much improved. The defensive line, they really didn't

do anything to when it came to the edge rushers and they were disappointing as well. Now I'm not saying that like the Packers defense can't be all right, but I don't think they're going to be top 10 in the NFL. I think that the Packers are going to be in a handful of shootouts this year. And if they are, this guy's going to be the guy who's going to be on the receiving end of a lot of those touchdowns. If Matthew golden can get anywhere near and into double digit touchdowns.

And a lot of those are deep throw touchdowns. If Matthew Golden can get anywhere near and into double digit touchdowns, and a lot of those are deep throw touchdowns, the Green Bay Packers are a team that the national media cares about. They're going to be talking about him plenty in that division. Jordan Love, they're going to talk about, oh, look at the connection that Jordan Love has with guess who rookie wide receiver Matthew Golden. I think that it's there for him. And so I'm going on a limb a little bit here with Golden, but I just, I see the path to glory for him this year to get offensive rookie of the year. Absolutely. I mean, listen, number one, I think it means something a little different

when the Packers take a wide receiver in the first round. That's, that has to stand out right away. You brought up the old opportunity situation. He's got so much opportunity from the day he walks into this offense with a quarterback that we've seen at times play at a high level and an offensive head coach that is quite good. So this is the fun part of the show because the board just is it opens up in a totally unique way where there could have been five different players you could have said and it wouldn't seem

egregious at all. So Golden he is just such a high variance receiver this year because there's all the opportunity and situation there where you go, man, he could be a number one wide receiver legitimately. And then there's just the questions of if he's ready for that, because we saw him get kind of hot at the right time during college football. But we haven't seen a massive sample, like the same sample size Tet had. So TMAC, I know is the preferred identity of Tetero and McMillan. So you go back to back picks with, before Matthew Golden, you went Tetero and McMillan. So you go both

wide receivers. Yep. I've divvied up my pie where I have a quarterback in Camelord, a wide receiver in Travis Hunter. You diversify, are you diversifying the portfolio? I always absolutely diversify. Something has come across my desk. And that is running back of Marion Hampton, who I have to take in this spot.

I just do. Now, we've had this conversation in the arena app, which if you guys aren't in there yet, Trevor and I are doing a lot of more short form content that's a lot of fun and a conversation that's exclusive to that. And one of the conversations Trevor and I had was, how do you divide Amari and Hampton

and Quinshawn Judkins this year? Because while Judkins was taken later, his opportunity out of the gate looks a little bit better, but it's not like Najee Harris is this elite, current elite running back in Hampton's way, especially the one year deal they gave him. So I'm gonna take Hampton. He's obviously talented enough to win this award.

He can play on all three downs. This is an offense that will want to run the ball with the wide receiver talent they have and the quarterback they have. They actually should be able to threaten enough in the pass game that there'll be room in the run game. The point I made to you, the one concern you could have with Hampton is

some of his touchdown equity might be taken by Najee Harris. That's not a locker or anything for certain, but it's something that you weigh here and why he's available here. But I'm gonna take Hampton in this spot who's priced that plus 1200 to plus 1400 across multiple books. Yeah, I certainly could see it, right?

I like to bet on players who are in good offenses. I really do, like volume or like, you know, the surrounding, like, I want them to have the right opportunities, right? I think that volume obviously is a big deal for this award, but sometimes I think we get caught up a little bit too much in volume, and we don't think about the environment around them. There's another player who's a running back who I assume is going to get taken here in this draft, maybe very soon after this, that it's like, yeah, okay, the volume is there. But I've got some questions about the surrounding cast. I don't really have

questions about the Los Angeles Chargers willingness or desire to run the football and get their running backs involved in the game. That's why you take this player in the first round. That's why you did the eight year vegetables, if you will, and took an offensive lineman in last year's draft. And so I believe in the offensive line. I believe in the offensive mind. And I think that he's in a really good spot. It just is a matter of what does the split look like between him and Nigel Harris.

I don't think it's 50-50. No. But is it enough to where it takes away? And you know what also, I get a little bit worried because I thought about Hampton with my second pick instead of going with Golden. I thought about him as well. What kind of worries me about Hampton is how much credit would he actually get versus like Harbaugh? You know, like if the offense is humming really well. He loses it a tie is what you're saying. Does it does other players? Yeah, I would agree. Does the national media go like,

oh, like look at what Harbaugh is doing out there, not, oh, look what Omarion Hampton is doing out there. It's a good question. I thought about that with him. And that's why I ultimately, if you let me get him on the next turn, I would have obviously taken him. Right, that's why he's still here.

It's, yeah, that's a really interesting question. I don't I do agree that I think if he's in a tie with voters minds or mindset, he loses the tie like people would vote for Cam Ward over him. People would vote for Golden would be your perfect point of a story. That's what I'm saying. It's like those the Packers actually took

a number one wide receiver. They finally invested. It matters. As much as I wish it didn't, it does. I regret not opening the show with this because I understand not everybody. Yeah, we can start over. Yeah, we're gonna have to start over.

Not everybody is in the betting world or likes to bet. And the point of Trevor and I's content isn't just to like, hey, these are the guys we're betting on. This is more of just laying out the field and we've gotten feedback in the comments that we see from more rookie analysis, which is something I would definitely love to do. And this is kind of the start of it.

Is that, you know, when you look at this, this is decided by humans. It's not decided by data. It's not decided by stats, theoretically. It's decided decided by data. It's not decided by stats, theoretically. It's decided by human voters. And there's part of that process that is very flawed. Awards being voted on by humans is problematic at times, but it's something that you have to bake in.

Trevor and I are trying to win this right now. We are not trying to tell you who should win. We are trying to tell you who we think has the best pathway to winning. And you are absolutely right that Matthew Golden's story with who he's playing for is someone that if he succeeds, people will want to vote for. So all that to say, this is my fourth pick.

Yes, yeah, who are you taking it to turn here? This is the hardest pick. Yes, yeah. Who are you taking it to turn here? This is the hardest pick I have to make. Yeah, this is tough because whoever you don't pick, you leave me a handful of guys that will be good options. Right. I am going to take... I am going to take Quinn Chon Judkins. Okay, alright, alright, alright. Which isn't very surprising for me. You're in on him. You're buying the stock're you're buying on him. It's fine.

I got him at the one seven in that draft. We're doing right now, by the way, which was man. Wait, you also got him in that draft. God, we're out here. We're out here doing exclusive Quintchon Judkins. All I do is talk about Quintchon Judkins. If he's bad, I'm cooked. I am in big trouble in multiple facets of my life my draft analysis my rookie of the year Betting and my dynasty team you're declaring bankruptcy if if Quinch on Juggies is bad I have absolutely bet the farm on Quinch on Judkins, and I'll do it again. So here we go Volume talent situation now what scares you is with this is that the Browns line showed some cracks last year that we weren't always

accustomed to seeing. We don't know who the hell is actually playing quarterback. And that's obviously concerning for a run game. What we feel good about is Judkins talent, his opportunity, cause this backfield is his. I don't think Sampson will eat into it enough that it'll matter. And Kevin Stefanski is an excellent run game architect. Yeah.

So I'm excited to see what Judkins could do for the Browns. I think realistically, if they have a 40-year-old Joe Flacco, or if they have a rookie quarterback, or if they have a Kenny Pickett starting at any of those options means they need to run the football. Yeah. They meet. So once again, volume is king in this scenario, but Judkins has enough talent that he warrants

being taken here. You know, I, I want to believe in Judkins being a breakout rookie because dude, the Ole Miss tapes so much fun. I mean, those two, those two years that he was the Ole Miss tape is so much fun. I mean, those two years that he was at Ole Miss, there's a reason why we talked about him as the RB one heading into last year's college football season, even over Ash and Gentie at the point where we were recording a year ago. It's because the Ole Miss stuff was so good and we looked at him in Ohio State and it's like, all right, well, the volume is probably going to go down, but what a monster they're

getting it. And throughout most of the regular season, they felt like it wasn't there for him. But that college football playoff, he really came alive. This is the player who I was referencing earlier when I was like, I just get worried about the surrounding because do they have enough at quarterback and in the passing game to lighten the boxes a little bit with a Judkins is going to run behind. And then the bigger issue that I have is they're starting five of Joel, Antonio, Ethan, Postic, Wyatt Teller, Jack Conklin, DeJuan Jones, those guys last year, 59.6 run blocking grade, 63.7, 61.6, 59.6. Wasn't good enough. And then 45.8.

Like this was one of the worst run blocking offensive lines in the league. Now- The one Jones was 45.8. Yeah, run blocking grade. Yeah. God. Yeah, it was not good. Well, he's always-

He wasn't good. He was not good last year. His size has always been misleading to- Correct. The consistency or lack thereof as a run blocker. That's going back to him as a prospect for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

And so that's what really worries me. Now, those are a lot of names like Petonio, Teller, Posick, Conklin. Like those guys have been good in their career. They're just all a little bit older now. So if you tell me that those four are solid, like even independent, independent of the Juan Jones, if you told me that those guys are going to get closer to the version of them that

we sort of remember them for being, I'm great with the Judkins pick. And I think you've got an absolute steal here in the fourth round. But I just, I worry about that offensive line in Cleveland. I really do. Man, it's weird to look at the Browns' draft and have that combo and just see how they spent some of their resources. Like fanning at 67 and Gabriel at 94, rather than trying to get your pipeline back to young offensive linemen is very poor use of resources, in my opinion.

It's what we talked about in the draft grade show, which you guys, if you guys haven't seen, you should go check it out. We go through every single team and we give you the draft grades. We go through every single team, and we give you the draft grades. We go through every single pick. That is really what I think was the biggest catalyst for me being much lower on their draft than giving them, I don't want to say a bad draft grade, because I think I gave them

like a C-plus or something. It's the reason why I was lower on it, because I said, your offensive line is not getting any younger, and they played bad last year. Right. It's not like they played great, and it's like pie in the sky, head in the sand. No, no, no, no, no. We're good. They'll be around forever. They weren't good. No. So I get nervous about that team. I do. Yeah, me too. But I'll take the talent of Judkins.

It's always the reason he's priced this way for the talent that he is, you know, plus 1600 to plus 2000 is that the Browns are tied for the talent that he is, you know, plus 1600 to plus 2000 is that the Browns are tied for the lowest projected win total in football. They're over, they're over under five and a half with, you know, the Jets, the Titans, I think the Giants and another team. So you can win offensive rookie that you're on a terrible team, especially as a wide receiver or running back. But it's, it's still something that'll change your pricing. Hey, Mike, you're 350 carries, you know, so genuinely might get 300 touches. Okay. I got two more picks. You got one more pick, but before we get to those,

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Heading back to the running back well. Have to do it. Got to get my boy. Got to make sure he's on the squad. This is where RJ Harvey's come out. I couldn't do it to you, by the way. Yeah, and I appreciate it. I had to respect it.

I just, I, I, I appreciate it. You just, there are certain things you just don't do. Yeah, it would've, you know, it do. Yeah, it would have been tough. I would have had to rethink everything. There goes the podcast. The podcast, it would have been tough. So I appreciate you leaving it for me. Look, RJ Harvey's in a great situation here

with the Denver Broncos. I think he's in a great situation with Sean Payton as his offensive mind and play caller to get him in the game in the right situations. What worries me a little bit are the two backs that are there with him, because unless he quite literally has a Bucky Irving type season where he just plays so well you just don't play those other dudes, Arjit Ghasemay ideally is the short down and goal line back for you because of

just his sheer size and this podcast knows we'll never disrespect or take Arjit Ghas guest may off the field. And then Jalome McLaughlin's kind of carved himself a role as a third down back. So that's a lot of your pass catching opportunities. So again, unless Harvey, who I really like is the long-term RB one for this team, unless he actually becomes Bucky Irving in that first year,

it's hard to see him eating away of too much too many of those opportunities. But I do think he is very talented. His miss tackles force and the yards after contact averages were very good. They've got a solid offensive line in front of them. Sean Payton is going to want to stay balanced. He's going to want to put the ball in the hands of his best back at all times. I mean, we saw what Alvin Camaro was able to do as a rookie when Sean Payton was

still there with the New Orleans Saints. And I know these are high comps, like what Bucky Irving was last year, what Alvin Camaro was able to do as a rookie when Sean Payton was still there with the New Orleans Saints. And I know these are high comps, you know, like what Bucky Irving was last year, what Alvin Camaro obviously was for the Saints. But if Harvey sort of has that same sort of explosive and dynamic impact as a young player, they will continue to feed him the football. The thing that I am not worried about at all whatsoever is Sean Payton having priors at all for guys and being like,

ah, you know, yeah, RJ Harvey is the best back on the team. But we can't take the carries away from these other guys. He will give the player who is the best the football. And RJ Harvey could prove that as early as training camp. And so with him being around plus 2,000 right now, he's the guy that I'm going bet on to the backs of the left. Listen, that makes a ton of sense because he's somebody that theoretically, going back to your point with Bucky,

can work his way into the required volume. It's a dream landing spot for RJ Harvey. He's someone to me that I'm in a different league and I'm rebuilding in this other league. And I. You took Judkins. I did not actually. I traded up from the second pick to the first pick

to take Gentie and then in the second round, I had the second pick of the second round and Harvey was there and I just, I had to take him even though I really didn't, I didn't really need a running back or you just put him in the flex because I looked at everything, I'm like, God, this offense man, it's gonna get him in space,

it's gonna throw him the football. And my criticism of Harvey Pre-Draft was that there was too many times where I thought he got bounce happy and didn't trust his blocks. And I think the Broncos offense under Payton will essentially mitigate that issue when it happens with him where they're just gonna put him on the right track naturally or in the right space naturally that everything he's great at

explosiveness making people miss creating these home run hitting plays with his athleticism will kind of be there for him so Harvey Harvey's a great play on this board he really really, really is. There's just like you said, Trevor, there's just a world where Sean Payton's like, I don't care about any of these other guys anymore. R.J. Harvey's getting 20 carries or 20 touches. Touching is very touching here because he'll get thrown the ball a lot, which kind of happened to Bucky eventually, where the Bucks were just like, we got to get Bucky Irving involved more because he's just our best running back. So yeah, I'm a big fan of that pick.

I think it's gonna be a really big year for Harvey in this Denver offense. And I think he's somebody by the time we get to read your redraft leagues in August, where he's going in best ball and dynasty right now compared to where he will go. The hype train will take off by the time redraft league start up again.

We're going to do a Hail Mary pick at the end of the draft. So we'll have our five. And then what we're going to do is we're going to take a player who is plus 10,000 odds or greater. And we're sort of going to, you know, like, have a Hail Mary dart throw that we're going to make. I have another player who I'm debating taking here. That's not quite a, it's not a plus 10,000 situation, but. Okay. Given. Why are you afraid to wait? You think I'm gonna take them as my Hail Mary player? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

It's not, he's not a plus 10,000 player. So if I don't take him here with my last pick. Oh, he doesn't qualify, I got you. Yeah, then he's not gonna. God, this is probably dumb. There's no dumb picks here. You know what's funny is that you, we keep saying like somebody's like some nobody has to win this. We could theoretically lose. Somebody could win that doesn't get drafted. It could just be a terrible showing from both of us entirely. We have both embarrassed ourselves.

All right, fine. I'll take Tyler Shuck. Wow. I'll do it. I have to say I'm surprised. I'm not too shocked too often on this show. I'll take Tyler Shuck here. I'll get a quarterback.

They drafted him the second round. They drafted him at pick number 40. I don't think they do that unless they legitimately think that Derek Carr could miss some serious time and the fact that they don't have faith in the guys that are currently on the roster. So that means that Tyler Shuck could absolutely start for them right away. And he's now going to have Kellen Moore as his offensive coordinator, who I like. I like Kellen Moore. And I think that they're gonna orchestrate an offense

where, hey, he really could show out and play pretty well. I think that the division outside of Tampa. Carolina's a lot of new defensive talent. Atlanta's a lot of new defensive talent. It's not like these are these juggernaut defensive teams. Now they could be much better. I'm not trying to take anything away from them, but outside of the Bucs,

the Bucs have defensive woes as well that they need to fix going into this season. I think that there's a world where Tyler Shuck, especially if the guys who were hurt last year in their receiver room are healthy this year, that they can play well. And the offensive line should be better for them. You hope that the run game is a little bit better as well. I don't think the Saints defense is going to particularly be great. So I think that they're going to ask him to throw a decent amount and he'll have those opportunities. So I'm going to be honest with you. It was between him or Will Howard that I was going to take here at the end.

I wanted to take Will Howard. I really did because of course there's I think that Aaron Rogers is probably going to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers, but even if he does, I don't know how much of a difference maker he will be for them. And certainly if he doesn't, I think Will Howard could have absolutely won that job. The thing that held me back from doing so is he was a sixth round pick.

If he was a third round pick, I'd feel differently about it. I'd feel like they would give him a much more legitimate chance to actually win that job. And I just don't think that he will have that. Whereas Tyler Shuck, if Derek Carr cannot go, he is, I really do think that he is going to start for them. So as much as I wanted to pick Will Howard,

who I had ranked ahead of Tyler Shuck, the fact that there was a four round gap between where those two guys were picked, I just couldn't ignore opportunity for as much as I would have wanted to. So, yeah. That would have been the stunner if you took Will Howard there.

Your Shuck theory, let's be real, things are very cloudy around Derek Carr's health right now. And they're cloudy because it seems like he doesn't even know what he's gonna do right now in terms of do I get surgery, I don't want surgery. The bottom line is, I mean, there's a very real world where Shuck is the starter for the entire season. Yeah, and they drafted him like he could be that option.

And you take him for forward, yeah, exactly. You took him where like you're confident in him potentially doing that and quarter, this is a, in theory, a quarterback award in terms of the best pathway. So I don't think it's a wild pick. Do I have one more? You have one, yeah.

Yeah. Man. So you took- Or, yes, you have one. Yeah, you have one more. I have one more? You have one, yeah. Yeah. Man. So you took- Or, yes, you have one. Yeah, you have one. I have one more. I have taken so far Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Amarian Hampton, and Quintchon Judkins. Yep. This is really tricky in this spot.

I'm not gonna take either of the tight ends. I just think it's hard for a tight end to command that target share. A tight end's also never won it, ever. It's just- Wait, was it ever or was it- I don't know. I don't think a tight end's ever won it.

No. I'd be very, very curious. A tight end does not won it and Brock Bowers, who was, as the kids kids say goaded last year. Received still couldn't win it. One vote. Yeah, I mean, that's yeah. Titan has not won this award. No one vote.

Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's a good way of breaking it down. Why I'm not gonna take, as good as Colson Loveland and Tyler Warren are. Right. This is it, folks. I'm really, really stuck here. He's in the walls of Jericho. I am in the walls of Jericho.

I'll tell you who, no, I'll just do it. Screw it. The guy I think I should take is Trevion Henderson. OK, that's what I thought you were going to take. The guy I think I should take is Trevion Henderson because. He should get a lot of volume if he's if he's built for it. That's kind of he's going to talk himself into it. He's going to talk if he's built for it, with New England

that needs playmakers, Mike Vrabel, the one around the ball, Henderson's a good receiving threat, New England needed speed, they got it with him and Kyle Williams. But, I'm gonna take a Mecha Ibuka here. Oh my goodness! And my thought process is is as crazy as it is With Baker Mayfield. This is a very pass. Happy offense. It is in a good way. It's a very impressive pass game

Chris Godwin might not be ready to start the season although we don't know and I feel like it's more likely than not that he and That's okay because the Mecca buccas there and who gets a cranky hamstring every single season? Mike Evans, there's a world where a Mecha Bucca for ten of his games is At least the number two receiver in an great offense with a quarterback that will throw him the football And I know it's I definitely he's he's another guy that they cannot figure out how to price He is on the low end plus two thousand. He is on the high end in multiple books plus four thousand That discrepancy is massive. Yeah, so the book the books that are pricing at plus two thousand Which by the way is the same odds for Jackson Dart Tyler Warren in some places Tyler Shuck Matthew Golden. They are telling you the same thing.

They are telling you they are a little afraid that Emeka Abouka, because of health concerns for their very good but old wide receivers, is one of the guys early. And he's ready for that with how he's built. So I'm going to take Emeka Ibuka. I understand the risk, but if Emeka Ibuka had a thousand yards and eight touchdowns and just kind of sleptwalk to this award, would anyone be shocked? Not me. So you're stunned.

I got you on this one. I did not think that he was not in consideration at all whatsoever, which is par for the course here for this draft, because I didn't think about him at all whatsoever at number 19 for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They ended up taking him. But you are not wrong. I think that it is optimistic thinking to believe that Chris Godwin is going to start this year and that he's week one, like, he's gonna be good to go. Like, yeah, he'll be good to go week one. We're not even worried about it.

No pitch count. No, nothing like that. I don't think that that's likely. And then yeah, I mean, if Evans gets hurt at all whatsoever, even down the road when Godwin gets back in the lineup, Egbuke was drafted to be that guy. So if you carve out a world where he is spending 10 weeks this season as the wide receiver to and the rest of his time he is wide receiver three on this team. Maybe he gets the volume. Maybe he gets the volume. I don't know if we'll get the notoriety because I don't feel like anybody really does in Tampa very often outside of the Tom Brady window. But perhaps he gets it. I swore you were

going to take Trevion Anderson. I mean, the, the, the safest play is Trevion, but Trevion, Trevion was another one where I don't think he'd get enough credit. Like, I don't think, like, like, I think if if the offense is humming, and the Patriots are good, Drake may get the credit. And Mike variable gets the credit. And Josh McDaniels gets the credit. And it would take Trevion Henderson rushing for like 12 1300 yards. I think he has to go nuclear. And I don't know if this offense allows him to do that. I agree. Maybe you're two, maybe you're three. I don't know if they're going to ask that

of him year one and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they just do because they think he's their best player with the ball in his hands. But I think they're going to honestly be kind of a committee offense as a whole. Like when Diggs is ready, he'll get his targets. Kyle Williams will get his looks. Multiple backs will get touches. Drake May is gonna run the ball as well. Let's not forget, like when you have a quarterback that runs, that takes away from the running backs production that matters for this award.

So yeah, Abouka's definitely, it's not a Hail Mary because the odds are telling you like, ah, it's kind of scaring us a little bit. But I think it would surprise some people. I also just think he's really, really good on a really good team. So when you have those two things together, it's like, well, sure, why not? Right.

Neither of us took Shador. I think that, in my opinion, the quarterback room is too unknown, and going back to the offensive line concerns that I had for the Quintchott-Juggins pick, I have the same for guys like Dylan Sampson and Shador Sanders to potentially win that award. Is there anybody else on the board that you were close to picking?

No. I don't think so. Me either. No. I got the guys that I wanted. Yeah. We kind of cleaned up. The conversation was simply between Cherevian and and Emeka and both had really good arguments.

Yeah, everybody else needs something weird to happen for them to get the required volume. All right, long shot, Hail Mary, plus 10,000 or more odds. I'll let you go first, because I got the first pick in the actual draft. So I'll let you go first here on this one. Who are you taking? All right, so let me read off

a couple of different options here just so the people know who are considered. This is like obviously super long shots in this spot. So a couple options, Mason Taylor, who will be the jet starting tight end, Jalen Knoll, who has a uphill climb on the depth chart, but obviously has talent. Cam Scataboo is actually somebody you can get at this number, which is a little surprising.

I know some books have priced him lower than this, but you can get him at this number. You know, Dylan Sampson, Alec Iomanner, actually Alec Iomanner is plus 15,000. You know, and obviously an interesting one is Jordan James. The reason why I would stay far away from Io Manor is because if he wins rookie of the year, or if he's on a rookie of the year track, that means that Cam Hort's gonna win it. That's exactly right. It's that simple.

So you don't bet on really anybody, you know, and like same would be said for DK, who's priced the same way. Jordan James at plus 15,000 is really interesting because of a Caffrey's season is just washed by injury again. And Jordan James wins the number two role. He's Kyle Shanahan starting running back. On a team that the running back gets a lot of credit

consistently. So I actually think he's the most intriguing plus 15,000 play, but I'm going to take a plus 10,000 play and that is Trey Harris. Okay. There's a war where the Chargers just get to camp and they're like, oh, Trey Harris is better than Quentin Johnson today. And since he's better than Quentin Johnson today, he's our number two wide receiver. And you're the so you're the number two wide receiver in this scenario.

This is a Hail Mary play, everybody. Like, let's map out what needs to happen. Trey Harris needs to be the number two wide receiver for Justin Herbert. But, say Amari and Hampton and Aji Harris do kind of have a split workload a little bit. And say teams are looking at Lad McConkey and say somebody else has to beat us through the

air because this guy's tearing us up in the middle of the field over and over again. Trey Harris can get credit in this offense and he scores the touchdowns. He scores touchdowns and Trey Harris in college when he was healthy dominated like production wise. He's a stat filler. He makes plays above the rim. He makes some plays after the catch. He's a big body that plays on the outside,

so he's trusted to block, which means he never comes off the field. So my plus 10,000 Hail Mary play is Trey Harris, who I'm very in on as a pro. I'm very in on Trey Harris, especially after the landing spot. Yeah, I don't hate that one. I got nervous when you got to Camp Scataboos name, because he is my easy pick here. If you can get him at plus 10,000, uh, that would be my easy,

easy Hail Mary pick here for you to, uh, throw there's for as much as Tyrone Tracy was great last year. And I think that he's going start the year as the Giants top running back, they do not have anybody on the roster that has built the way that Cam Scataboo is. No. They have Devon Singletary, they have Eric Gray, they have Dante Miller. Like Cam Scataboo, in my opinion,

is situationally and talent-wise both RB2 on this team. Like at some point. I think Devon Singletary will probably start there just because he's Brian Dabble's guy, and I think that he's where he needs to be. And he understands the playbook and understands what Dabble wants. But like talent wise, there is absolutely a world where Kam Skadebo could just become the guy for the New York Giants.

So he would be my easy pick there at plus 10,000. And if you want to say like, ah, okay, well, like you said, like some other books have been much less than plus 10,000, then I would have actually gone with Jordan James. He is the other name that I wrote down for the exact reasons that you mapped out. If Christian McCaffrey goes down with injury, they have Isaac Arendo as well, but if Jordan James wins that RB2 job, you mentioned it. This is an offense that gives running backs a lot of credit, a lot of volume, and a lot of stats. So it could be Jordan James as the

long shot play there too, but I'll officially go with Cam Scataboo. So I'm not cheating or anything like that. There we go. Just to recap really quick, Connors five candidates he has for offensive rookie of the year, Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Omarion Hampton, Quinshawn Judkins, and then Emeka Egbuka. Shock in the world. And then my five, I got Ashen Gentie, Tetra Ommic Millen, RJ Harvey, Tyler Shuck, and then Matthew Golden as well. Matthew Golden was actually the third name. I don't know why I said them out of order there, but those are my five.

So we would love to hear from you guys. Let us know who you think won this draft, who you think has the better chance of winning offensive rookie of the year, getting bragging rights and the first overall pick when we do this exercise next year. And let us know what you guys think of these rookies, who you think is the best bet. I mean, you could say, Ash and Genti, you could say in the comments, best way to do this in the comments, by the way, you guys can say to us like, oh, it's Ash Gentile and it's not even going to be close. We'd love to hear from you there.

But if there's somebody else, we go, I don't know, I kind of like this number. This number is pretty juicy. I don't know Jim. We would love to hear from you. YouTube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. The best way to do that. We'll be talking about this probably throughout the summer as well on the arena app. So you can download the arena app and follow the show at NFL SC show at Tampa Bay tray at Connor J

Rogers you can find all that on Instagram and Twitter as well Will probably be do defense for key the year same format probably be do defensive rookie of the year Yeah, we will probably be do defensive coordinator of the year We're gonna do defensive rookie of the year drafting draft defensive would be an interesting draft. Defensive coordinator of the year? Yeah, that'd be some real next level sicko stuff. Oh man, whoever drinks the most coffee is just my power ranking. Like whoever's, actually my power ranking would just be

whoever has their first cup of coffee the earliest in the day. Like they're like, oh, 315! It's when the first cup of Joe hits the lips. You know, it's like, all right, you're a sicko. There is definitely a 3 AM, 3 30 AM level coach out there. Yeah, a hundred percent. Which is just, there's no way to mathematically live a normal, healthy lifestyle

by getting up at that time. No, that's- You're not going to bed at seven o'clock. I don't believe that. That's what always gets me with these TikTok people who are like, oh yeah, like I'm waking up at like 3.30. It's like, when are you going to bed? Cause if you tell me 10 PM,

and you're averaging five and a half hours of sleep, guess what I'm not following? Your advice. Yeah, they're all liars. They're either liars or they're on some kind of, some kind of hardcore speed. No, they woke all liars. They're there. They're liars or they're on some kind of Some kind of they woke up our 330 like once and they're like We've all been we've all been there right? I mean we've all been there like alright time to lock in I'm waking up at 5 a.m I'm getting to the gym at 5 15 and then the next morning

You'll do the same thing because you don't want to call yourself a quitter after one day But then that third day you go, ah man, I'm a little bit more sore than I thought I was going to be. I got to give my body the time to recover. So you don't wake up the next day and then boom, all of a sudden you're 35 years old. You're absolutely washed. You're not doing that. Yeah. Also, when you do it a couple of times, as much as it's a good way to start the day, you kind of realize it's not as efficient as everybody makes it out to be. Like you're not at your peak physically

in terms of how hard you can work out at that time. Absolutely, yes. So number one. Two, you're starting to cheat yourself on sleep, which is everything for recovery. And then three, you're like, sometimes when I've done that before, and when I lived in Hoboken,

I'd get home and be like, oh, now I have two hours before I gotta go to work. What do I do now? There's not enough time to do anything good. I would just sit there and have pancakes or something. It was stupid. It's really stupid. It really drives me nuts, by the way.

People that like our team rise and grind, like you just said, at 3 a.m. are actually idiots. I told you the caller's never gonna be a defense coordinator or a trained condition coach at the college level. That's what I just heard right there. It's actually the colors never going to be a defense coordinator. No, I'm not. College level. That's that's that's right there. Yeah. We'll just keep doing drafts in front of a microphone.

That's what we're going to keep doing. You guys wake it up at 3am. All right. Yeah. Make sure that you guys are subscribed to the channel so you don't miss our defense coordinator early riser draft that we're doing next week around the same time on Thursday. Appreciate everybody watching and listening to the show. Go download the Read the Arena Sports app.

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