NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 2026 NFL Draft Defensive Tackle Rankings

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

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They may have contributed to a cold opening. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sykima with me. as always is Connor Rogers. We're here to do a lot of things today. We're going to talk about defensive tackles. We're to rank our top defensive tackles that we have in the 2026 class. Give you some pro comp, some scheme fits, some ceiling, some round projections of where these guys could go,

all that great stuff. And then, yeah, I'll talk about the PFF stuff a little bit. But Connor, how you doing, my friend? I'm laughing because in the moment you could see in Garrett's face, like the sheer panic of, like, I just became a cold open. I got cold open. Yeah. There's nothing I could do to go back in time to change it.

And the chef, of course, with his editing capabilities. That's a 10 out of 10. The chef's IQ and awareness for a good cold open is just, it's unmatched, I think, in the entire industry. And that's why Garrett started sweating on the Monday episode, because he knew you can't give the chef a cold open like that. And he's not going to pick it. We knew that that was going to happen. If you guys missed the Monday episode, that was a little taste of the fun that we had. man it was awesome Connor it was so awesome to have Garrett on I always love those

co-lab mock draft series but you know Garrett's been somebody who it's really really cool has been listening to this podcast for a long time so him getting to hop on and do a mock draft with us I mean he was he was firing off the inside jokes and the bits and he was very much he was very much a representative of the addicts there on that show so I really enjoyed that episode yeah he gets it and obviously has an incredibly successful YouTube channel um you know in football analysis that pumps out some really, really great content. So thanks again to Garrett for all of this time. And for a lot of laughs along the way, I would say.

For sure, no, there's no doubt about it. That was a, that was an episode. That was a ton of fun. We're going to have a ton of fun on this episode as well. Defensive tackles, man. There's a lot to get into, I think, with defensive tackles. Because when we specifically talk about those interior defenders, it looks very different. You know, depending on whether you're primarily an odd front or an even front.

You could be more of a three technique, you know, a pass rush specialist. You could be a nose tackle and just, hey, my job is to defend the run. You could have those three, four defensive ends as well, those guys who are two gapers in odd fronts where you let the linebackers play a little bit more free, have a little less to worry about. So there's a lot of different ways that you can judge and rank interior defensive linemen. And I'm excited to talk about it all here with you. So just overall, like, just tree top thoughts here with this interior defensive line class

before we get into the ranking. I'm not going to lie. I was a little disappointed. Me too. From the hype that we had going into the season specifically with a lot of these guys like Peter Woods and Caleb Banks and these guys are, you know, like top 15 locks. And we've had some guys obviously pop up throughout the last six, seven months since then. But just overall, it's not as dominant as a group as we've seen in years past.

I agree with that. And I think that, you know, there's some flows, of course, of the draft where this year, whoa, this linebacker class is better than typical years. The edge class is really deep. We like the safety. So you're always going to have a down year somewhere. But where this one, oh no, apparently you dropped the phrase that shall not be said. But, um, wait, I, the numbers?

I dropped the numbers. I, the chat is accusing you of it. I will not repeat that. What did, wait. I didn't even catch it. I didn't even catch it. When did I say it? Chef, you're going to have to weigh in at some point.

When did I say it? You're going to have to. the way. Can we get the, can we do the baseball? Yeah, we're tapping the helmet. We're tapping the helmet here. We need ABS. We need ABS on this. We do.

We do. Our umpiring is not good. You said, oh, apparently you said it about months. But. God, man. Yeah, you did. They don't, they don't miss. They're all over your ass.

Yeah, you guys are, you guys are ruthless. But that's why we need you. We need you. With this group, though, I'll say what's probably disappointing or a little bit more confusing to kind of navigate your way through is that there was some high-end talent in summer scouting that for various reasons did not age the way you hoped throughout the course of this college season right now with caleb banks he just didn't really get to play a lot of football and that's a shame because we were so excited about caleb banks peter woods is going to

be a longer conversation so i won't spoil it where you have to look at this defensive line class and there is guys and i have a feeling you and i will be will be relatively high on them that you feel so good about the floor, but admittedly, you know there might not be a pass rush ceiling that you're hoping for with a typical first round defensive tackle selection. Yep. While other guys, you might say, I'm going to let someone else take a chance on that guy. And if I miss, so be it. But I just haven't been given a lot of confidence.

So it's an interesting class to go through. And then I do think on the back end of it, you know, more of like the 6 through 10 range and the guys that miss the cut. There are role players that are very, very scheme dependent. And there's nothing wrong with that. they're just not going to be for everybody and they'll be valued more highly by other teams. Right. Yeah. And that's why I think that where we're not going to get to the end of this episode, spoilers, when we get to our top three defensive tackles and we're not going to talk about,

you know, guys who are, oh, this guy's a surefire all pro or something like that. But I do think that the conversations are going to be great in those middle parts of the rankings and ending parts of the top 10 back end of the top 10 because they are going to be scheme specific guys. but that doesn't mean they're not going to be football players at the next level that can contribute as rotational guys or specialized players. I think that's well within the card. So before we get into the rankings here, Peter said, we see that arm pump, Trevor, which is a reference to the tweet I had this morning,

which says, you know, now that I'm unemployed, and then I posted the clip of Rich Piana, RIP, the eight-hour arm workout, which is made up of 16, 30-minute workouts, arm workouts, which is supposed to put one inch on your biceps in total arm size after every single time that you do this. I didn't get through it because, you know, if I did, I'd have even bigger arms. But, you know, the eight hour arm day. Maybe we'll have to do an IRL stream for the eight hour arm workout when we get into summer content. But some people punch into the cubicle, some people from the nine to five punch into the eight hour arm day.

That is good. But that does bring me to, I wanted to address this off the top of the show. Anybody who follows me on Twitter saw this. I'm no longer with PFF. PFF sort of split the company and sold the business. Neither are we. By the way. That's true.

Yeah. So you're right. Neither are we. You are correct. You are correct. NFLC is independent and the rocket ship continues to move up, folks. PFF, any article that you read kind of recap in it, just to let you know, they split the company in half, the business side of things where they

deal with NFL teams, given in their data. They sold that over to TeamWorks. The media arm of the company does still exist, but they downsized that a ton. And I was one of a lot of people who got laid off on Monday. And to be honest with you, really, I'm not here to shit talk PFF. So if you're looking for me to do that, I'm not going to do it. To be honest with you, what I really want to use this platform for is to say thank you to you guys. The outpouring of support that you had for not just me, but what meant a lot more to me is my coworkers on Monday. I mean, I just, I can't thank you enough for that. Like, I love you guys. I truly do. There are some of those guys that got, you know, let go. Shoot, I mean, all of them, honestly,

that got let go on Monday. They're unbelievably talented in what they do, whether it's the graphics design guys, the social guys, the production guys, the guys in front of the camera, Mason, Max, Dalton, myself. Like, those guys are so great at what they do. And it was a situation that them being free agents today is not their fault. It was just, it's business, it happens, it's not their fault. And these guys are, I said this on Twitter, they're culture changers, they're grinders. They know ball, man.

and I just think that anybody out there, if you have a spot and you're thinking about hiring these people, I couldn't recommend them anymore. So I just wanted to sort of address that at the very top. I just, I can't thank you guys enough for the support. So many people asked about NFLSC, responding to my tweet and wondering what was going to happen. We ain't going anywhere, baby.

You know, you know the Wolf of Wall Street clip. I'm not leaving. And that is exactly what NFLSC is. And to be honest with you, I'm probably going to have a lot more time to be able to pour into NFLS. So I hope you guys like what we do around here because we're probably going to be giving you a lot more of it. So thank you guys so much for the support.

I already see so many super chats about it. As we have been doing the last month or so, we'll read most of the super chats at the end of the episode. But I just wanted to start the show with a moment of gratitude for you all and your support, not just for me, but to be honest with you, how much it meant to me to see that support for a lot of my coworkers on Monday as well. So thank you guys. I appreciate it.

I really do. You are nothing but a man of class consistently when times you don't always have to be. And that is something of many things that I respect about you, my friend. And I think very shortly, this will just be for the long-term benefit of you. I don't think that. I actually know that. So like you said, this show's not going anywhere. It was, you know, honestly, I have to just say this.

As someone who didn't work there, it was great launching the podcast through PFF. I know. Like we were, this podcast was born through PFF. It started on the PFF YouTube channel. A lot of people that unfortunately don't have jobs anymore, whether they left before all of this or now or without, you know, employment because of this. Did a lot of groundwork to get this not only off the ground, but keep it running and support us. And I'm very, very thankful for that as well. So, yeah, you know, well said by you.

And I know you don't want to make this a three hour conversation or anything. like that, so we're going to get to these defensive tackles. But we're always transparent with our audience, and I think it is the most important thing that we are not going anywhere. Yeah, I don't know what the future of, you know, the media side of things is at PFF. I do know there are still some really good people and some people I really hold dearest friends that are still there. And I understand that a lot of people are, you know, angry about what happened.

Part of me is as well. But there are still really good people that are working there. And so just think about that as well. It's a situation that I think it's just tough for a lot of people. And I'll probably tell more stories about, you know, the last couple of years and everything throughout the course of not this specific show, but NFLSC will probably talk about that a little bit. But the golden age of PFF, man, so much fun, just so much fun with all those people.

And I had a blast working with all of them. So shout out to all of them, the people that have moved on already, the people that are still there, the people that are looking for work. I think that pro football focus really did change how people talked about football. There's no denying that. Total disruptor of the space. And it was, it was cool to be a little part of it. It really was.

So let's dig into it. We got some monster super chats, by the way. Do we? Monsters. Okay. If you see them, if you see them, let's read some. As a reminder, we are going to get to, so Mags gave us $200. Thank you, Mags.

Oh, my goodness. Unfortunately, I can't stay on the live, dumb work, but I want to drop by. and thank you for being a great analyst, and more importantly, an A-plus human, the Army of Attics will support you wherever you go. Proud of you, man.

Thank you, Andrew. I appreciate it, man. I appreciate that. It's pretty cool. I really do. I really do. Anthony, I see this one, $100 super chat.

Trevor, you're your superstar. Thank you and Connor for all the times that you can't be entertained for free. While I didn't have any money to spend on other things, you guys rule. I truly can't wait to see what you do next. I appreciate you both so much. Well, hopefully you still enjoy the content

because like I said, we got a lot more of it coming. We're going to do a lot more of that. Wiscoe another $100 super chat. Trevor, cheers to you in your next chapter. You too, Sam, Steve, Mike, Austin, deepened my love for football, in-depth analysis of players and the game.

Chef, you need to look up my super chat from the last episode to get a killer nickname for Christian Miller. We actually probably do need a killer name for Christian Miller because that's a good segue into getting this kicked off here. Again, I promise we will read all the super chats at the end of the episode. But I think that's a good way to get it kicked off here

because Christian Miller, We're not going to talk about him here this second, but later in the show, a good football player. Good football player, not getting enough recognition. So, Connor, let's see the beautiful, the beautiful falling face graphic that the chef always cooks up here for us. There I am, cheesing hard. Six to ten.

Tell the people who you got ranked six to ten. Ten, a man that is approaching Jalen Catalan, summer scouting lore. Demante Capehart from Clemson. It's true. He is a sixth-year player, all six at. Clemson. The man just enjoyed his time there. Hey. Loyalty.

Loyalty. Can't teach you these days, folks. You really can't. Nine, Albert Regis from Texas A&M. Eight, Darrell Jackson, Jr. from Florida State. Seven, a summer favorite of mine that unfortunately dealt with a significant ankle injury this year, but did come back.

Tim Keenan, the big nose tackle, two gaping run stopper from Alabama. And six, one of our all-time favorite nicknames, big citrus, Dom Orange. from Iowa State, another guy that's just an absolute mountain against the run. So let's show my 6 through 10 as well. I also had the big citrus, Dominique Orange at number 6. I got Chris McClellan from Missouri at 7. Lee Hunter is at 8 for me.

I know we'll have a good Lee Hunter conversation here coming up. Brother, brother, I'm proud of you, but I'm not surprised because you know ball. And you got Albert Regis in the top 10? Ball player. You know ball. He's a latched pale ball player Dude, when I saw Albert Regis on your list I was like

You know, I thought I was going to go wax poetic Myself about this player But I'm very glad that we're united With him in the top 10 here I got Daryl Jackson Jr. rounded out at number 10 For Florida State Do you want to start by talking about Albert Regis?

I feel like with an intro like that We should probably start with him So I'll let you kick it off here Obviously DT 9 for both of us A little bit on the smaller side He's a tree stump 295 pounds. And so the measurables are, I think, a big reason why he hasn't made the jump to the NFL yet with him being a red shirt senior coming out this season. But there's a lot to like about who this guy is as a dirty work type of defensive player.

So I'll let you, I'll let you talk a little bit about Regis here. That's exactly right. He is somebody that, you know, he just is so tough in the trenches, play after play. 6-1-2-95, shorter arms, tested really well. I mean, the 4-8-8-48-48-40, 34-inch vert, 9-8 broad. So he's got the initial explosiveness in chase speed. I just wrote down, like, this is a guy that just truly brings his hard hat against the run. And A&M asked a lot of this guy considering his measurables. I mean, Albert Regis is playing nose tackle, plenty of snaps.

And 295! At 2.95, we're going to talk about players today that played nose tackle and kicked out to end closer to 3.30. So Regis is, he's got that like kind of lightweight in a heavyweight arena vibe at times at true nose. And he held his own. You see with the height and it translates to his pad level. His pad levels low. He digs under blockers. He plays with inside hands.

The testing goes back to his ability to get off the ball. I think he's explosive off the ball. Like that is and it really, really helps him gain instant leverage with that first strike. And back to those times, like 90th percent out 40, 93rd percent of avert, 95th percent out broad jump. He's not just, he's not going to give you much as a pass rusher. It's just as simple as that. You see the win rate right there. He's just not a pass rusher and he doesn't have any length.

So blockers, blockers consistently land on him. He's not somebody that when he gets off the ball, it's like, okay, I'm going to keep blockers off of me and kind of wiggle my way or weave my way to the quarterback. It's more, man, I'm like a grizzly bear in a wrestling match every play. And I'm just going to kind of scratch

and claw through you and not be moved at the point of attack to stop the run. Now he's sub-300 pounds and he played in the SEC against some big offensive lines. There's times, and you're not going to hear this for everybody today,

but double teams knock them off balance. There's some 330-pound players that they don't move off a double team. Right. For how hard-nosed and tough Regis is as a run defender, I just don't think he has the mask to consider. And that goes back to him. He shouldn't be a nose tackle.

That's not fair to Albert Regis. But if you need, Trave, I think like a 3-4 defensive end that's playing on early Jones, this is somebody that he is so tough. He just does the little things that make his teammates around him better. And you think of all the A&M rushers that have been in this defense the last two years that he has cleared a lot of space for. I'm clearly with you all the way.

It's easy to go to bat for Albert Regis in your rotation. Somebody said egregious Regis, has the nickname there for him. Somebody else said, is he similar to Puna Ford? A little bit. Like I see, I can definitely see how you get there with Puna Ford, who's a really great run defender.

Now, Ford. I think Poonum was a little bigger. He is. He is. heavier. He is, yes, yes. Because he was just. 306 of the Combine, 511.

That is a short king. That is a. That is the Maurice Jones Drew of Nosed Haffles. That's the, that's the bill that we're talking about here. Yeah, Puna Ford's great. But I agree with you. You know, normally when you look at players who, you know, Regis, let me, what was his arm length? I think 31 and 3 quarters?

Yeah, because it wasn't long. 31 and 5ths. 31 and 5ths, which is 8th percentile. And then, oh, that's hand size. I thought that was wingspan. So yeah, eighth percentile arm length. Normally when you talk about guys who are limited when it comes to that, that length. You don't want to put them in odd front defensive end situations, but I agree with you.

This is the exception. Do I think that Albor Regis is going to be like a consistent full-time start in the NFL? No, probably not. But is this going to be a guy who, when the second contract comes around, is he going to be in that next tier group where, you know, coaches will go to the front office and say, you need to re-sign this player. This player raises the floor of what our defensive line can do. I absolutely think that. I think he could play as a three technique, a run-stopping three technique, obviously like you mentioned.

I think he could survive a little bit at nose tackle, and then I can also think that he play in odd fronts too. So I like Albert Regis a lot. You're right. He made a lot of his teammates some money with how he played over the last couple of seasons. So that's Albert Regis for us. We got him at number nine.

Where'd you have Darryl Jackson, Jr.? You had him at 8. I had him at 10. So let's talk about Darryl Jackson Jr. next. Yeah, Darrell Jackson, Jr. I believe we went pretty in depth on during summer scouting as well. He is getting, I mean, he was getting like top 40 hype. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

He was because this is kind of what you hope that a high-end defensive tackle looks like, man. 6.5.315 with almost 35 inch arms and the catchers mitts hands, like 11 inch hands. That's pretty nuts. This is a redshirt senior who has had stops at Maryland and Miami. Obviously, has played at Florida State the last couple of years. You know, a little higher box score production in 2024 than 2025. He is high effort when his motor is running hot in terms of the heavyweight blows that he can strike. Like, it's just because you look at the size of him and you look at his hands, he can really, really knock blockers backwards.

The biggest issue I had with him. He's got 11-inch hands. Massive, massive hands. The man puts hands on you and it's like covering half the damn chest. Yeah, and he moves people that way. Where he gets in trouble is his pad level at his height just runs high. And when Blocker, you look at the measurables on paper and like this guy probably is a force. And there's a place where he is.

But Trevor, I thought that there was also a lot of low lights because when Blockers got under him, they actually were able to control them at the point of attack with leverage. Yeah. Yep. I mean, more than you think for sure. It was surprising. I thought he would be, he was a good player this year. Don't get me wrong.

And there's a reason I have him where I do in the rankings. But I guess I was expecting him to be a borderline dominant force in stretches. And I just, I didn't see that consistently once again because of the pad level. I felt like you and I were lower on him than initial consensus going into the season because we've talked about this on this show. Some are scouting, the lens that you view these guys through and the rankings that we do are different

than when we do them sort of as early or final rankings. When it came to Darrell Jackson Jr., I could understand that a lot of people were very, very excited about him, given the fact that he's built like the Incredible Hulk. Like, he's just a giant dude on that defensive line. So I could understand sort of how people

were getting there with the top 50 and the top 40 hype. But I never felt as though his play was one, consistent enough, and two, I think it's hard to, it's hard to criticize a guy who's nearly 6,6, 315 for like not being twitchy. But there are times where I just don't feel like he plays with that like speed to power Twitch at all times, where he's like converting that, that hulkish strength that he has. I just don't see that conversion as often as I wish I did, especially because like you said, he's naturally going to lose the leverage battle against a lot of these players.

Now, when he does get the pads as low as he can, when he does get the hands up and inside, I mean, he's bulldozing you. I mean, you don't have a prayer. Some of these guards are on for dear life. They look fun. Dude, yeah, I mean, they're getting taken for a ride. It's like they're a human sled when he's going up against him.

That's what it looks like is exactly right. It's human sled. He's got the versatility because he's got the size and the strength to play anywhere from a four-eye defensive end and odd front to that like zero and one shade nose technique alignment. So I think in that regard, he is going to be valuable simply because you can't teach how big this guy is. I just don't think he's going to be a player that's going to consistently pop for you.

To me, again, the reason why he's back into this and even behind Albert Regis, who he's a lot bigger than is because I kind of view them as the same sort of trajectory to the NFL. but Regis makes a bigger impact. Like, Regis has the higher run defense grade. I believe he had the higher solo run stop percentage. I believe he's even more versatile and sort of that first step, explosiveness that you were talking about. So Jackson, to me, and I think the way that you've got to talk about him now,

is what you see is what you get. He is a supersized, versatile defensive lineman who wins with power, and he's just not going to be very much finesse. Like, there's not going to be a lot of his finesse game that you can rely on. Maybe in flashes here and there, but I think at that point of time, it's kind of what you see is what you get there.

And that to me is much closer to a fringe top 100 type of a player than somebody who you'd be taken in the top 50 like he was once projected to go. What do we got next on the board here? You can talk about K part. You can talk about K part? It's funny.

If you've listened to this podcast long enough, you've heard about K part for three different years. But, you know, I have to say, to Cape Hart, who's a sixth-year player at Clemson, the big knock on him that I think has been fair is they have treated his snap count. I mean, hilariously low the years leading up to this. And he finally was able to legitimately be part of the rotation. He's a massive human. You see him play true nose, shade nose. He has a presence in the middle of the field. He's got long arms. he's almost got 34 inch arms big hands 10 to quarter inch runs the ridiculous 485 40 yard dash at his

size which is i mean there's a reason this guy was a top 50 recruit out of i m g in 2019 like this is a pretty unique athlete at his size um when you look at the tape you know it's it's more of the same of what it's been but the good news is he's played more he you said this about jackson like with the human sled he he he has flashed of power that he just totally bench presses undersized centers off of their feet and controls them like their children. I mean, he could realize like it's Pop Warner where he'll just totally move them off the point of attack and throw them aside with ease.

He does a good job also, I think, keeping his pads down and driving his legs when playing the run. Like he really utilizes his lower half to maximize his power. and I think something he does that it doesn't show up in the box score because he's obviously not a big box score production guy when he drives blockers back at the point of attack he's really good at redirecting running backs into bad lanes

into a teammate. You know obviously this defense has a lot of talent so he's someone that his disruption off the ball against the run can redirect running backs into really bad decisions because they have to. Now you look at why he don't hear a lot about him. I mean, it goes back to he just didn't play a lot of snaps leading up to this year,

like 246 in 2022 and 2020 combined. So he didn't even get to 300 snaps across those two seasons. Then 246 total in 20, 2024. And then he got a snap count up to 333 this year. Clearly Clemson knows like he needs stamina-wise to have a very, very limited role to be effective. And he is effective as a nose, as a run stopping nose to. tackle that is hard to move off the line of scrimmage. But at the end of the day, in terms of the pass rush plan, it's just power, right?

It's predictable straight line power. He just knows he's usually stronger than a lot of the interior blockers he went up against. There's not much nuance or creativity. So this is a rotational run-stopping nose tackle that it feels like could have been a great defensive tackle, but just hasn't had that kind of stamina to develop beyond that on top of his pass rush. But it almost swung too far away where I think he's going to be. going to be a good NFL run defender. I really do. Yeah, I'm not sure what to think of Cape Art.

And I have him outside of my top 10, obviously. He's not in my top five, so he's not on my list. He tested really, really well in a way where I was not expecting this from him. His heights 84th, 84th percentile for defensive tackles, his weight 70th, his arm length was 73rd. His hand size was 74th. Seventy third percentile, 10-yard split, 93rd percentile, a 48-5 at 313 pounds. vertical jump 91st percentile broad jump was a little less at 59th percentile but tested very very well as an athlete the problem is that Connor I felt I saw the combine and I was like whoa okay is this guy got more juice than I expected turn back on the tape and there are times when you see it just like you see a little glimpses of it but you just don't see the whole

package like he doesn't turn like you talked about him being a run stuff in a rotational type of a defensive lineman. Numbers like we saw at the combine should have told you that this guy's got used to pass rusher. But it's like the first step doesn't really turn into fast hands and twitchy movements and fast hip and flipping the hips and just getting around off the biggest. It's just.

Track fast. It's just kind of, which is really funny to say about a guy who's 315. I'm telling you, he is just track fast. He is. He's kind of track fast. You know, the Olympics might need to get on this. I don't know if they got a heavyweight, category, but if they end up, you know, dividing it up a little bit here, like wrestling

categories, we might need to get in on this to get a gold for the country here. But I just, so I, late breakout player, the athleticism doesn't show up as a pass rusher. I think he's certainly a draftable player. Like he's a day three player. Yeah, without doubt. I can't see exactly what you're talking about him, about him being a rotational guy. I know, I know us saying like, oh, it's draftable. It's kind of the kiss of death here on this show.

But I do think that that K. I won't say that about Bucking Irving, so maybe not. Yeah, he's draftable. He can draft them. See what happens. Look, you weren't wrong. He was draftable. Yeah.

Come after him. Go ahead. Go ahead. Put Connor in court. See what happens. Yeah. The podcast. I was wrong.

Peter in the chat said, high measurables and an RAS guy. Sounds like a Chicago bear. He actually kind of does something. Yeah, he does. Actually, I actually do think that that would be the case. Ross had so. Where was Ross?

Ross said, I ran a 4-8 flattened in 40. yard dash in high school at sub 180 pounds hearing about a 315 pound or moving that fast at a different kind of physics he can absolutely fly i mean he's always been a very very gifted player and it felt like it took him a little while to get going at clemson after being a big recruit and then um you know once again it just had to limit his role for him to be effective yeah okay so who's next on the list who should be next should go probably mcclellan i definitely want to hear you talk about mcclellan dude i i I really liked McClellan. Speaking of catchers, Mitt's hands.

Yeah, I mean, McClellan is sort of the same conversation to me that we had with Tim Keenan, or not Tim Keenan, Albert Regis. McClellan is just bigger. Like, McClellan is 6'4, which is 72nd percentile, 313, 70th, 11-inch hands, 97th percentile, and then 34-inch arms. That's 78th percentile, all for the defensive tackle spots. He is a super strong dude. I think he's got more than adequate size.

to play at a couple of different spots in the NFL, but Missouri mainly had him as a three technique. When he played at nose, he wasn't as effective, despite the fact that I'm going to praise him here as a very strong run defender. When they played him at nose, he didn't look as comfortable. So to me, he's more of a, he's probably either like a three, four defensive end, or he's a three technique type of alignment player that's still more focused on stopping the run. So it's probably not your starting 3 tech because you're starting 3 tech. You're probably going to want a little bit more pass rush from him because

his pass rush win percentage was only 7.2% which is 34th percentile on the wind percentage on true pass sets was only a 69.9. Came from the University of Florida, so I'm a claimant, Gator Great. Played two years at Florida before transferring over to Missouri and he was a full time starter for them for the last

couple of seasons. He's when he's got a when he's locked in on the bull rush, so good leverage, good hands, really gets guys moving. I think that's his main method of push in the pocket and really pass rushing. But there just wasn't a ton after that. The massive hand size that you talked about there and that I referenced is 97th percentile, that shows up, man.

I mean, when Chris McClellan puts his bare paws on you, you watch linemen be like, boom. Like they jump back. They feel it. And that is it. We talked about this here on this show, I think, this year more than other years. big hands as a defensive lineman and as a offensive lineman, that doesn't get talked about enough. Just the sheer size that you can have on putting your hands on somebody else

and the control that you could get, the power and the pop that you could get. That's a Chris McClellan, I think, talking point and strength point there with him. I don't think he gets moved back very easily, especially in single block situations. And I thought he was a pretty good athlete. When I watched him in pursuit,

he seemed to get faster as he was getting closer to these ball carriers and the more of a pursuit lane that he had. So I think he's a pretty decent athlete overall. He's got the size to be versatile and he is a pretty damn strong player. So that's why I like Chris McClellan a good amount as still that rotational run stuffing defensive lineman like most of the guys that we talked about here. But he's one of my favorites. He's one of the guys I prioritize. No, it's a good call out. He's in that bucket on the fringe of the Regis and K-PAR world for me and a couple of guys

that just missed the cut because once again the power and control that he could play with. So I was glad you got to him on the list today. So then Big Citrus and then we'll have the Lee Hunter conversation. Yeah, Leigh Honor at 8. I'm excited to talk about that one. Oh, no, wait.

You got to talk about Tim Keenan. Oh, my guy. Sorry, we curveballed the chef there. We gave him a Tim Wakefield knuckleball there and he just didn't know what to do with it. But he recovered. Here we got Tim Keenan on the board. Tim Keenan.

large human 6-1-327 pounds just a oak tree in the middle of the defense young man's thick i mean short arms oddly small hands eight and five eight inch hands does not really make sense whoa 30 inch vert is pretty good at 327 that's like really that's 327 that's actually kind of nuts to be honestly people aren't talking about that enough what in the world that yeah it's that's You're right. What in the world is the perfect way to put it? That is kind of ridiculous. I actually need the footage of this of him loading up getting airborne at his size. I need to see this somewhere. I mean, I wrote him up and I was just like, man, he's that fire hydrant nose tackle, team captain for Alabama. I thought the film was excellent in 2004 with what he needs to be good at, which is digging in, battling against double teams.

violent club move is something on tape with that too. Like he can really strike at blockers. Which I think you need when you have shorter arms, right? They truly need to act like a club where you are just, you are in somebody. That's right. You know, he had the tightrope surgery in August of 2025. And I think that impacted him this year. He came back and he was fine, I think.

But I thought he was just really, really impressive in 2024. He's the definition of a space eater. at the highest form. He can hold up against multiple interior blockers. He constantly redirects the run. I think teams kind of respect his presence. I feel like teams, when he was on the field,

treated Alabama differently, to be honest with you. And I get it. He doesn't have, you know, wildly impressive pass rush win rates or anything. You see the 28th percent out of the last two years. But there's pocket pushing presence for me with him.

You know, his win rate in 2024, when the ankle was right was 10.6%. For a nose tackle, that's pretty high, actually. For a 330 pound nose tackle. I just, I didn't see that at all this year. And I think it's the ankle. I think you can't generate that force to congest the pocket with an ankle injury.

He kind of had to play more of a higher floor two-gapping kind of game all the time. The chase speed is really slow. You know, he's not going to be running sideline to sideline or anything like that. but he plays hard. He's really strong. I think he's a starter, honestly. He's probably not going till day three of the draft, but I think he's a starter at nose tackle three years from now

on an NFL defense on early downs, especially if his pass rush from 2024 is mediocre. That's enough to put him on the field in that, in that, you know, we went back to Punta Ford, which is a really good call out. I'm a big believer in Tim Keenan, man. I am.

I know this defensive line class, we're a little lower on, the tackle class we're a little lower on, where DT7 in this class from Mitraib is probably going on like the fifth round, which is kind of crazy. Yeah, I agree. I think Keenan's going to be a good NFL player, though, just not a flashy one. Yeah, I mean, Kenan, you're right.

I think his range is definitely the first two rounds of like a day three. Yeah. But, you know, I'm thinking of some teams that run that like true nose tackle odd front stuff. I mean, the bills are moving more towards that odd front. I've had conversations with people about the bills, you know, maybe like Christian Miller is an option for them at, at, at 26, but you can wait later in the draft, and I think you can get a nose tackle type

that you feel good about. I think the Chargers are a team that would love Tim Keenan, right? They could play him at that nose tackle spot. That's a good call out. The Falcons man, get Rooka Roroa Rowe out of the nose for the road of God. Ro, row, row the boat to three or five tech. Please, for his own sake.

It's not fair to a row row. It's not fair to him. Get him out of nose tackle. Draft Tim Keenan. That's my. That's my pitch here for Tim Keenan. Yeah, Tim Big Red Keenan. Yeah, I mean, he could be that for the Atlanta Falcons.

That's what we need there. Somebody said that the Earth shook when Tim Keenan jumped up. It definitely shook. It might have. The mile radius. Ooh, somebody said, Graham saying the Vikings as well. Oh, they do need another detackle like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Vikings' run defense was disappointing at times last year. Okay, Big Citrus. Let's talk big, let's talk. Yeah, yeah. You want to run away with this one? Sure. Kick us off. Let me pull up my notes here for Big Citrus.

A summer scouting legend. I don't think there's any other way to say it. I mean, maybe has the biggest fan club of anybody that we have talked about throughout this entire draft process, just because how can you not with a nickname like Big Citrus? So Iowa State Senior, just a shade under six foot two, 322, 322. He's got big hands, over 10 inch hand, 74th percentile, and then pretty long arms as well, 58, well, 58th percentile, above 50th percentile there for defensive tackles. When I read 33 and 5-8s, I was like, oh, that's pretty good for a defensive tackle.

But I guess, you know, big dudes in the NFL, which shouldn't be surprised about. So he was a former three-star defensive lineman. He played 12 games his first year, started five the next year, started seven the next year, full-time starter this past season. He was part of Bruce Feldman's freak list going into the college football season. And Bruce Feldman had this to say, quote, the 6'4, 325-pound orange, who spent much of the off-season refining his diet, has benched 450 pounds, squatted 650, and power cleaned 365.

He also had a vertical jump of 300, 34 inches. When he was a senior in high school, he weighed over 400 pounds. That's how he got the nickname Big Citrus. So he is honed in his body to be a much more efficient right around 320 and 325. He's got a dense, thick frame, which anytime you have as much weight, certainly, as above 350 pounds, and then you trim it down to 320. I mean, you know you've still got that strength and that muscle density of your body. You absolutely see that in how big citrus plays.

He's got that good size and length combination to play as a nose tackle, a three tech, a three four defensive end. And where do I have him listed? I think I have him listed as a nose tackle, but I could also certainly see. him being a 3-4 defensive end. He could do both as well. Yeah. He's got a pretty explosive first step. Now, after that, you know, he's still a big boy. But the first step is what you want to see there for him. For most of his career, he has lacked finesse in that pass rush profile, 8.8, which is 58th percentile when it comes to the pastor swim percentage over the last two years. But he has gotten better in that regard. Really just want him to sort of be a little bit more creative as a pass rusher.

And honestly, what I want to see from him is I want him to be the aggressor. And I thought this past season, he was more of the aggressor in situations than he was in 2024, continue to be that. I mean, there are times when I felt like I was watching him go up against inferior interior offensive linemen. And he'd be like, okay, I got the hands up. I got the hands inside. All right.

I'm peeking towards like where the ball is. But he wasn't really imposing the rep. And the guards were able to recover a little bit. They were able to get their feet underneath him. they were able to get some leverage and push him a little bit so that when the ball was coming his way, he wasn't ready to immediately stack and shed the block. I feel like there are reps where he does do that, and I feel like he could just do that more often. So Big Citrus to me is somebody who I think this is a mid to late day two type of a player.

I think somewhere in maybe the late second round, but I think much more likely he'll find a home in the third round for a team. but very versatile defensive lineman. The motor runs hot for him. High effort player. Very good competitor. And I think teams are really going to like a player like this. Yeah, man. I'm with you.

He just wasn't healthy. He wasn't his 2024 version of himself this year. And because of that, he just clearly wasn't as disruptive. He's got really great natural strength and power. You brought up the alignment versatility, which is real. It's not one of those like, yeah, he could do it. No, he could be effective.

from defensive end all the way down to nose tackle. He just said the competitive citrus. He is the competitive citrus. Oh, Wisco said future Packer. Could be. He is a Packers type. That is a really, really good call out. I mean, he's got, going back to 24 more than this year, like,

there is a bit of a pass rush plan for a big power player. He picks his spots when he wants to just push the pocket with speed to power, versus, okay, I'm going to let a two-hand swipe go here and try to swivel my way around into the pocket. But his run defense floor that he brings is why and his pure strength is why he'll be drafted. I would agree with you, Trevor. I would imagine in the third round, although it wouldn't shock me to go a little earlier. You know, and he's another guy. These are big fellas.

Like, when the gas tank hits E for Big Citrus. Yeah, yeah, it's tough. It's over. I mean, he's 322. It's almost funny. You're not even mad about it. You're like, yeah, I'd be tired too. Yeah.

He's out there like, I gave you what I had, man. Come on now. As you see, he's played 914 snaps the last two years. I mean, that's a lot of snaps for a defensive tackle. So, no doubt. Yeah, Big Citrus, a favorite of this show and a solid prospect. So let's move on to Lee Hunter's the only one left on this. Top five.

I mean, I'm assuming that Lee Hunter is in your top five. Yeah, he's five for me. easy. Yes. Okay. All right. So this is an easy conversation. Some people really like Lee Hunter.

I don't. I don't want to be like the biggest hater on him though. Do you want to talk about Lee Hunter? You got him at five. I got him at. Yeah. Well, I think you should. I would,

I'd want to hear your concerns. Okay. I mean, I have some of my own as well, considering having him at five. I, you know, I want to hear why you're, it seems like you were a little surprised maybe. Yes. So Lee Hunter, red shirt seems. from Texas Tech. So he's been playing college football a decent amount of time. Now, measurables, pretty good. Six foot three, just a shade under six foot four, honestly,

64th percentile weights at 318, 80th percentile, 52th percentile arm length, 10 percentile hand size, but that's okay. It's not, it's hand size more of, in my opinion, a bonus than it is like a major thing that you would give a guy a negative four. He was a four-star defensive tackle from Mobile, Alabama. Shout out the homecoming for him at the senior bowl. He played both offensive and defensive line when he was in high school. He committed to Auburn, redshirted his first year, so barely played when he was Auburn. Then he was out. Then he went to UCF, transferred to UCF in 2022, played in 13 games his first year there. Then he started 13 games in 2023, played in 12 games with 10 starts

in 2024. Then he transferred to Texas Tech in 2025, where he was a full-time starter for what was one of the best defensive lines in the country. He's got an interesting build. For as much as he's got good overall size to him, one of the negatives that I think is that he does carry a lot of weight above the waist instead of below the waist. Not that he doesn't have leg drive and leg power, but when you look at a guy who's right around 320 pounds, I feel like he does carry a lot of it sort of in the midsection rather than in his butt, the glutes, the hamstrings, the quads, what you really want to be able to get low and explode and sort of like hold the line of scrimmage on these offensive tackles.

The splash plays for Lee Hunter, who I would say developed into more of a pass rusher, during the second half of this past season, more so than he ever had throughout his college career. I think that those games are, I don't want to say they're fools gold because I don't think that they are. But to me, I don't view the second half of his season this year as like, this is who Lee Hunter is moving forward.

Like, he is only going to get better. Sure. This is a next step in the latter. I see it as they let him pin his ears back a little bit more. I'm not so sure he gets that same sort of treatment at the NFL level. You see the run defense grades. The run defense grades have been good for him

over the last two seasons. But with my concerns about sort of the weight distribution and him really being able to anchor the way that he needs to at the NFL level, I have a little bit of concerns there as well. He tested very poorly at the combine. Didn't really jump off the ground. And he, let me, let me get the numbers here.

21 and a half inch vert was what I was talking about. 21.5 inch vert. That's first percent. even for defensive tackles. 100 inch broad jump, that's 18th percentile, 1.79, 10-yard split, 25th percentile, 5.18, 40-yard dash, that's 29th percentile. And I'm going to be honest,

I think that shows up in his film. I think there are moments, I think there are moments from him where he times the snap right, he times the gap right, and he gets into the back field. I think that Oregon game, the college football playoff,

is the one, what are you laughing at? Colin in the chat, he couldn't jump over a piece of paper. That's too far. Don't stack the paper too high. That's all we're saying here. But I think that Oregon game, when you go watch the highlights

of how he played in the college 12th playoff against Oregon, you go, this is the first round defensive tackle. You go, look at this guy's living in the backfield. But the BYU game, really concerning for me. I felt like he was a total non-factor in that game. I felt like he was getting pushed around. And there are too many times where I felt like, especially in attacking situations,

that was the case. Go ahead. Don't ask. Don't ask. Okay. Sorry. Don't. Oh, I see it.

I see it. I see it. I see it. I see it. I tried not to laugh because I wanted you to just get through the. You know what? You know what? I'm just going to say that's why you watch the show live, folks.

That's why you get into the chat. And so I just have, I have a lot of, I have a lot of concerns with Lee Hunter. Because I think people project him as a, like one gap penetrating. like pass rusher type of a defensive lineman. And I don't think the majority of his college career, he was that. And even as a run stuffer, again, I've got my worries about the pad level that he plays with consistently, being able to get off the ball the way that he needs to, that lack of explosiveness, which does go into that push to hold the line of scrimmage, and then like I said,

the weight distribution and the lack of weight that he has in the lower half. No lot of people are fans for Lee Hunter. I'm just going to be, I think, one of the more lower analysts when it comes to his overall pro outlook. I think I fell somewhere in the middle with Lee Hunter. I like what his, the roots of his talent is, and that is being a big two-gapping kind of presence against the run, which is why I have him as defensive lineman five, defensive tackle five in a weaker defensive tackle class. I think he's going to come into the league and be able to show off some strength at the point of attack, be able to once again eat up some space. It was nice that he showed some pass rush

flashes down the stretch and into the senior bowl that we really had not seen. But I'm with you, Trev, that I wonder if that is going to carry over at the next level. I'm not as hopeful. If I was, I'd probably value them as a top three to four defensive tackle in this class. And a lot of people do. And a lot of people do. I think those people that do, those people that do, like you're valuing them more as a top 40 pick because you're hopeful that the past,

rush is going to keep ascending. I think there are a lot of more one-dimensional defensive tackles in this class. And I think he's a good run defender. I'm going to talk about some guys rated over him that can be a little one-dimensional, but I think they're elite run defenders. Like, I think they're better athletes.

I think they're stronger for their body weight, pound-for-pound strength. So yeah, I think Lee Hunter will be solid. But I do see the same thing as you is like, man, it's tough to rush the pass. in the NFL when you're not a great athlete. It's almost kind of unheard of, to be honest with you. I agree with you. I agree with you.

I'd probably see him in a similar range than you if I had more faith that he could be that run defender at the NFL level. Dominant. Yeah, but I think there are guys certainly that I like ahead of him that I had in these rankings here. So I just seem to have a lot more concerns about Lee Hunter than a lot of other people out there. But so be it. That's what the draft is all about.

Having some different opinions and seeing things a little bit differently. So let's go through your. one through five because we just jumped right into that to save the suspense here. Well done, chef. Well done playing that part of the show. Yeah. So Lee Hunter was at five and then four is Peter Woods from Clemson. Okay. Three is Caleb Banks from Florida. Three is Christian Miller from Georgia. And one is Caden, McDonald, McPounder from Ohio State. Yeah. So I have a player here in my top five that you don't have in your top 10. I think I know who it is because I think it's going to be a very, very polarizing, very polarizing player.

So is Zavin Harris, the defensive lineman from Old Miss? It's built like Godzilla. He is truly built like Godzilla. I mean, he is from Old Miss. He's a senior this year. Six foot eight. Not even six foot seven, folks. I can't even say that here.

I'm going straight to six foot eight. 99th percentile, 330 pounds, 91st percentile, 54th percentile when it comes to the hand size, 34 and 5 eighths inch arms. He is a massive player, and the way that he played this past season, I was so impressed with who he was. So four-star defensive lineman,

committed to Ole Miss out of Canton, Mississippi, played 13 games of true freshmen, started seven games in 2023, started three games in 2024, and then he started all of the rest of his games in 2025. He has massive size. I mean, massive size to be able to play basically every single position on the defensive line. He actually uses his long arms and his length, where a lot of these other defensive tackles, sometimes they don't really know how to use it.

He absolutely knows how to use that to his advantage. He gives off the ball quick. He uses that speed to power very quickly. He knows how to fork lift and use that length to get offensive linemen on their heels. I think he's got some really impressive cross-face reps where he is just going right across the face of an offensive lineman to shoot a gap here. And especially for a guy who is 330 pounds,

I have this in my notes, runs like a locomotive in a good way. I mean, when he starts his pursuit, I mean, you're terrified. You're getting rid of the ball. If you're the quarterback, you're getting rid of the ball as soon as humanly possible. I don't think his leg drive stalls out easy at all.

I think he's really strong in the lower half. He's got a good motor for a player his size, specifically this past season. I thought he played at a whole different level this past season. He's got a high-wasted build that makes it a little bit more of a chore for him to maintain leverage. Sometimes he'll give up the chest a little too easy, and it makes it easier for offensive tackles, or offensive linemen, I should say, to get their hands inside. He gets pushed around laterally.

Like if he's engaged with somebody right in front of him and there's kind of a combo block where they're kind of like scooping and pushing them around, he gets he sometimes has a tougher time to really anchor against that which can sometimes be a core strength than just a, I'll say like an ancillary type of leg strength thing. You know, maybe not the leg press or the squats or the deadlifts and things like that, but it's more of like, hey, we got to get stronger when it comes those lateral movements, but I think that can help him there. Ultimately, I think that this is a really high potential and versatile defensive linemen.

However, I think the reason why he's not talked about a lot in this class, and it is absolutely something that is worth talking about with him is 23. He was arrested for a DUI. and in 2024, he was rested on charges of domestic violence. I could not find how either of those cases ended. I could not find how either of those cases ended, but I want to make sure that that is talked about in his scouting report because that is an incredibly important thing.

And if I was an NFL team, you better believe I'd be doing every bit of research possible to find out what happened in these situations. Because I say all the time, you're drafting people as much as you are players. So I loved that I really, really, really was impressed with the tape of this person, but who Zavin Harris is and getting to the bottom of certainly these situations that are not to be taken lightly at all whatsoever matter towards his scouting report. I'm really glad you called that out at the end. It's going to be one of those where, you know, once again, I try. There wasn't a lot of public information on either, but multiple arrests in that level of time span for serious, you know, charges. or serious accusations of course is always going to it matters a lot and so you have that and you have a

player that is colossal human and needs to be monitored in terms of conditioning for that although he's played a lot of snaps the last two years to be fair to him on that front that he's played over a thousand snaps i couldn't find information is is he hurt like he didn't do anything he just measured in and i thought they had their pro ten. Oh, did they have their pro day already? I could have swore. They had their pro day, and the system I have, there's nothing listed for him. So that's a little strange.

I understand there's going to be things that don't, you know, go the way of a 3-30-pound human. Like maybe you didn't want to do the three-cone or anything like that. But yeah, so I couldn't find information on that. And then the fact is, like, he's huge, he's got long arms, he's got flashes of brilliance. but his hands have no refinement. Like he's just throwing them out there in my opinion. Where he was like, man, you've been playing a lot of college football now. There was just a lot of red flags piling up with him where physically, of course,

it is insanely easy to look at this guy and be like, my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. I liked his tape more than a lot of the players that get talked about in this class in the defensive line. But wanted to make sure, first and foremost, it is figuring out. what happened in these situations and who he is as a person because that matters that that matters the most that matters the most these are the these are the sort of like red flags things where it's like I don't care how good of a football player you are if these if you look into these things and and

there's truth to him yeah I mean he's going to be off a lot of teams boards but how he played this past season was was was really good so figured it was worth bringing him up here on this show but okay so you have Peter Woods then at four Peter Woods is at four, as do you? I have Peter Woods at four as well. I think we were getting to the Peter Woods conversation. Yeah. There are people who have Peter Woods as their top defensive tackle in the draft.

I think that there are people who have Peter Woods as a top 20 player, top 15 player. Does he go 10 overall to the Bengals? I don't see as much of those mocks anymore. But, no. What do you think about Peter Woods here? It's a tricky one, man, because over summer I liked him a lot.

I saw a disruptive player. I mean, I'll pull back some of the summer notes. Like, I thought there's a quick first step. He gets off the ball with low pad level. It turns out he's six, two and a half. So he's not, I thought he was a little taller than that. So naturally as the low pad level, there was more flashes of just raw power and strength, I thought, that year.

They move him up and down the line of scrimmage. So you got to see him set a hard edge when he needed to play on the edge. and he had enough burst to play on the edge, but I thought he was heavier than, I thought he was at least 300 pounds, and he sub 300 pounds. He was a really, really disruptive pass rusher in 2024. He had a 14% pass rush win rate.

And then you see combined with 2025, it goes down to 10.3%. So his win rate fell off a cliff this year. It's just to me, one, he is not physically impressive down by down against the run. Like there's a lot of times where he wants to shoot a gap or slip a block to defend the run. And it's just hard to live that way in the NFL all the time. If you're going to be expected to play the amount of snaps he's going to do, right?

Yeah. So there's that. And it's a, he'll gamble. Like he doesn't play. I don't think he's responsible as a run defender is how I'd put it. He looks for the splash play sometimes. and he gets in trouble because of that and he'll kind of let the back get by him

Gap integrity is what I was chasing throughout that entire rant but I just, here's my biggest problem right now with Peter Woods is like the play fell off from 2024 to 2025 right? It felt like Clemson, not for all their guys but when they lost

and things didn't go the way they thought to start the year it felt like the win was knocked out of their sales for some of the guys. Understandably, you were expected to compete for the college football playoff. He had huge expectations of all this NFL talent. I get it. But like, man, you're going to lose in the NFL a lot. You're going to lose a lot in the NFL.

And I just didn't see the same disruptive force. I'm drafting Peter Woods to rush the passer and to be a capable run defender. I don't need him to be an all-world run defender. I wanted to see an athletic explode off the ball, constantly win gaps. kind of shoot through the A gap between centers and guards, swim move, all of that. You don't have a testing and measurables process that boost your stock. You're coming off a season that was wildly disappointing. I'm having him detackle four because that player from 2024 still has to be in there,

Trev, and the right coach and right scheme can get through to him for that. But there is just no denying. There's a giant risk if you're taking him with a top 20 to 25 pick. I also just like did I don't know like I'm I'm trying not to let this sway my opinion too much but like I just don't love the off season that he had right I mean shows it was bad you're your sub 300 you don't do anything you wait to the pro day you kind of have like a cherry picking pro day I don't know man it's the tape is think of this not to cut you off unless there was an injury that I missed which whatever I mean DJ Parker had the same exact questions right same exact questions right same exact questions T.J. Parker was a force in 2004. What happened in 2025? T.J. Parker went to the senior ball and kicked some ass, at least.

Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. Like, where it was like, yeah, that's T.J. Parker. I mean, maybe he's not a top 15 pick, but he's still a good football player. I feel like Peter Woods after the season where you're waiting for the bounceback kind of just stayed on the same course the whole time. There are,

Peter Woods' entire evaluation, it feels like an enigma. because you have a lot of people who have kind of just been waiting, who were like waiting the whole year for at least like one or two takeover games. Like, just give me one or two. Clemson was bad this year. Just gave me one or two takeover games. And that never happened.

It just never really happened with him. I think that he's got really nice athleticism for his size. Yeah. Well, I should say like, you know, flexibility. Like, I think that he's kind of like an all-around like natural athlete. He kind of swivels around shoulders. He does, he does. So he's got some fluidity to who he is at his size, even sub 300 pounds.

He's still around 300 pounds. He had a ton of experience. He's got a ton of experience in his college career now rushing from a two-point stance, a three-point stance. He's playing anything from a nose to a five. He's played it all for Clems's defensive one. I think that he does have that good first step to him. He could turn the tight corners like you mentioned.

You know, like the shoulders and the hips can turn pretty quickly. But even as a run defender, I'm glad that you brought this up, I feel as though his run defense reps were more often about just sort of shooting gaps than necessarily holding the line of scrimmage. Now, there are reps. It's not like they don't exist. There are reps of him, you know, standing somebody up, being on the line of scrimmage strong. I'm not saying that those don't exist. I'm saying that there's a lot of flash and there's a lot more inconsistency than I wish that there was for Peter Woods. So we've talked about this a little bit when we've gone through the mock draft. episodes, not a lot of places that I love Peter Woods in the first round. I'm just going to be honest with you. I think Peter Woods is a day two player. That's where I would be comfortable

taking him. But it feels like, you know, maybe you have to sneak him into that first round if you really want a player of that talent. You know, when we, um, Brett Coleman has talked before about like, hey, Houston feels like the perfect spot for him because he's in that attacking front that Houston has there. And he gets to be sort of that one gap penetrating defensive linemen, interior defensive lineman. But to me, it's just, you know what I mean? Like Feldman's freak list, he was on there. He said this offseason, Woods benched 490 pounds, did 34 reps to 225,

squatted 700 pounds, power clean 385, ran a 4-8, 640 yard dash, and vertical jumped 33 inches. Where was this at the combine? Show us. Show us you're the ad-dout athlete. Because we didn't see a lot in 2025, and it's, it's kind of guts. to say, hey, yeah, just go watch the 2024. What do you mean to go watch the 2024?

You played in 2025. You weren't hurt. So I think that Woods, to be honest with you, Connor, is just going to be on my list of guys where I go. I think I'm going to let somebody else draft him. Especially for where he's probably going to go. You know, if you have the opportunity to draft Peter Woods back end of the second round, early part of the third round,

like, yeah, of course, like I'm back in. I'll take a chance on a player like that, no question about it. But if we're having a late first round conversation with Peter Woods, I would kind of be pretty comfortable saying like, hey, you know what? You draft him. If I'm wrong and he's great for you, so be it. That's on me. But I think that's kind of just where I am with him and what has been a frustrating year

to try to evaluate a player with a really high talent ceiling. I think what's tough too that I want to be fair to Peter Woods on is, because he's still in our top fives, four for both of us, is that he had tape in 2024 where we were talking about this guy as a top 10 pick. So like that's, the expectations are almost dangerous, right?

And when you, you don't replicate that, it's going to make things sound worse than they are, I think. Because imagine if he didn't have that season and we were talking about like, you know, once again, like the state of an early round two player

is still a damn good prospect by NFL standpoint. standards. But there was no denying that this was a falloff this year compared to expectations. I think we need to address the hot name in the chat. And that's a player that neither of us had in our top 10. And that's Grayson Halton, the defensive tackle from Oklahoma. I don't have a graphic on Grayson Halton just because we didn't have him on our top tens. But I was curious if you were going to have him because there are people that are really big fans of Grayson Hall. And I can, I get it, especially in a defensive tackle class where you, like you said, like DT7 might be a fifth rounder this year.

So the defensive tackle class is overall, the grades aren't as high. So I could totally understand people being like, hey, you know what? Let me just take a chance on Grayson-Hawton. But to me, he is, it was just, he's small. He's just small. He is 36th percentile in height, 19th percentile in weight, fourth-perth. centile in arm length. He's just small. Is he a frenetic pass rusher?

Does he have that great quickness? Can he get the cross-face moves in there? Can he really be a one-gap penetrator? Somebody who could really get into the backfield? Yes, and that's what he was for Oklahoma. I just don't know if there's going to be nearly as many of those opportunities in the NFL where he's not going to get bullied by somebody. You know, guard centers, they're quicker, they're stronger, they're everything. And the competition level, even from the SEC jumps up to the NFL. and so I think Grayson Halton,

Grayson Halton and Caleb Proctor were the next two guys on my list that just missed out on my top 10 because I think both of those guys are really intriguing as three technique, just go up the field and get into the backfield and go get the quarterback options for you. But that player

plays a lot less most of the time than a lot of the stronger run-defending guys that you can rotate in on a little bit more of a regular basis. Yeah, I mean, we probably saw him eye to eye. I thought, and it's funny to compare him to this player because this player went in the top 60, but he was kind of like Michael Jr.

Who was a top 60 pick for the Browns in 24? Michael Jr. was a top 60. Michael Jr. went 54th overall. Whoa. Yeah. I forgot that. Yeah. Damn.

So he reminded me of him. 6.2.5, 293. Short arms, explosive, no deny he's explosive. My concerns were just that the low lights are tough, man. Yeah, I agree. Like the low lights in a phone booth are, this guy is going to get folded if he's in a phone booth playing the run. Or if NFL blockers get hands on him.

He's a one gap penetrator. He's got a quick first step. You know, he's got the quickness where some all line might not be able to get to him, cut him off, reach block him. But it's just so scheme specific that it definitely hurt him in my rankings. T. Saunders said, Halton Small, so are you, Trev.

Owned. It's true. But Trev is not being evaluated to play defensive tackle in the NFL despite a lot of reports. Peter said Trevor's calling him on draftable, hit the gym and hit Chipotle, buddy. Let me tell you, though. Real talk?

Oh, boy. There's nothing like you and a buddy. hitting a strong chest day. And then there's a Chipotle within the same strip mall right there. There's nothing like it. Nothing. That was the home from college break tradition. Yeah.

Like I haven't seen my friends. Let's go get a lift. That while we're home, hit Chipotle after. You're right. This is a top 10 feeling. It is. There's nothing like it. There's nothing more motivating.

I don't even need pre-work out on those days that I know that's happening. I just get me there. Right. You just get me there. and yeah, well, I'll do the rest. I'll PR. I'll probably PR at that point. Because you've got to make sure that the first.

Yeah, I'll be just casually PR here. So let's get back to the top three. Yeah, yeah, where we're at? We are, this is where we have a little bit of difference. All right, you got McPounder at one. I got, I got, I got McPounder at three. Let's talk about him. I think we'll talk about Christian Miller next.

And then I think we should round it out with the Kayla Banks discussion because I think it's an important one. Cade McDonald's fascinating because like he's a very unsexy DT1. Whoa, whoa. Yes. Oh, come on. On tape. Wait, we're not body shamming here.

Not aesthetically. Just on the all 22. You see the run defense grade there and the 99% all stop percentage. He's a one-man run defense man. Like he's, I just, the first thing I wrote is he's as wide as a doorframe. you turn on the tape and it's not easy to... No, it's true. It's easy to find him.

Yeah. It's like, oh, there's Caden MacDonald taking up the space of two players at Nose and Shade Nose. Mm-hmm. He, this is one of the more enjoyable scouting report notes I wrote. He holds the point of attack against double teams better than Hodor holding the door.

Damn. It is like... What a reference. There are a linemen. like just hitting him, striking him. Here comes the double team. Here comes the third body. And he's just, he just digs his cleats into the ground.

And it's like, I am not giving up the point of attack. I refuse. Dude. What an elite comp. I mean, I just, I loved it. I was like, oh, this guy is fighting for his life against as many people. And it's a numbers game. You always say, Trev, like, when you're allocating so much attention to him in the middle of the field,

just to run the damn football, in this case, it's like, cool, there's Sunny Stiles and Arvill Reese have fun with that. But also in the NFL, it's going to matter a lot. So I understand that there was no pat. The Pass Rush production thing is weird, and here's why. Snoopy said Mick Hodor. Like, Hodor. I don't know if that could stick, but, man.

Hodor McPounder. Hodor meat pounder is crazy, sirly. All right, pass rush. Yes, I didn't mean to, sorry. No, no, it's okay. The way he started the year, I was like, we might have at least something here.

Listen, it's not art, but it's just pure power, once again, congesting and pushing the pocket. But he had a stretch, and I'm pulling it up right now, just to double confirm it. He had a stretch this year basically the entire second half of the season

from week eight which was at Wisconsin all the way down to essentially the playoff game against Miami he wasn't he wasn't really on the map as a pass rusher right like he didn't generate

essentially any pressures I think in the Indiana game he had some effort rushes where he kind of fell into Mendoza just Mendoza was running around like with his head down and he kind of just ran into McDonald's standing there. Yeah, I mean, he's, if he's standing in front of the door frame, like you said, you got nowhere to go. So it's weird. I think in this draft specifically, he could be a first round pick because he could

significantly alter the look and the effect of your run defense in a way that is so hard for one player to simply do, that I like him a lot. I feel it's, it is absolutely a comfy. ranking. Like I just don't see a world where McDonald is not a good NFL player. But I will be the first to say my DT1 is totally limited as a pass rusher, which is, it feels weird, but it kind of speaks to this class. Yeah, I think that that's the important part of the conversation is exactly what you said there and that this is, this is important to know about this class.

You're taking Caden McDonald just because you go, nobody does. Give me, give me the guy who I know is going to play at the end. NFL level. And, you know, he's not for every single team. He's not going to be for every single team. But you are having faith in who this guy can be at the NFL level because you're not worried about the strength. You're not worried about the size. You're not worried about the power that he plays with. I mean, a 90.5 run defense grade for him and a 12.4 solo run stop percentage. That's 99th percentile. Like, like, you can, you can, the pass rush is what it is, like you just don't expect him to be a good pass rusher. Now, some people would tell you, we don't

that in the first round, but that's fine. Late first, early second, whatever, man. If you think that this guy is able to be a bolder for you in the middle, if he truly is the NFL version of Hodor, this is a top 40 player in this specific class. So I would agree with you there. I'll say this, and I hate this because it feels like a cop out. But, I mean, you can go back to summer scouting and watch how I felt about him then.

If Caleb Banks was healthy this year, he could have been the runaway DT1 in this class. like runaway. Yeah. It's just, and I was starting to buy all the way back in when he showed up to the Senior Bowl and by day two, it was like Caleb Banks

is getting comfortable again and looking like Caleb Banks. But it's like massive dude with foot injuries. We're going to have a full combo about him. There's so much to like, but there is, there is some big concerns

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650 hats that we've sent off. But if you have any issues, let me know from that email or to that email. Let's talk about Kayla Banks. Let's do the Kayla Banks conversation next because I was talking to a good friend of the program, John Ledyard, who is going through defensive tackles as well. Him and Ollie do a great job in the Audubles and Analytics podcast covering everything about football, but specifically the draft around this time of year. And John's, John's a psycho. He's a father of two and a husband. So he's got to wake up at like 3 a.m. to watch prospects before, you know, like the kids wake up and everything.

What GM does that? This is DeCosta? I don't remember who it is. But like, Ledyard will text me at like 3.30 a.m. And he'll be like, man, Ray Sean Benny. Like he's got some really nice run defense reps. I'm like, brother, go to bed. What are we doing here?

Damn, I'm the opposite. I'm like, I'm not awake at that time, but I'm much closer to being awake at that time than being up for the day. you're saying as a night out. Yes. Night out. So you're going the other way around. I think, yeah, that's, man, these days. I know it's getting harder.

We're onk status. I know. These days my dog wakes me up like at 6.30 every morning. That's the difference. He just stands on me and he just goes, brother. Oh, when they want to go. I'm hungry. Kristen is the morning dog shift.

But I am the night guy. There you go. There you go. Yeah. So anyways, I bring up John, because. he texted me today as he's kind of finishing up defensive tackles. And he's like, I might just have Caleb Banks at one. You know, and I think with both of us having him at two,

or you haven't at three, I'm at three. You haven't three. There's a world where it's easy to paint that picture. Because you mention, if Caleb Banks is fully healthy this upcoming season, he is six foot six, three hundred and thirty pounds, the first step explosiveness, and he's just the overall athlete that he is at his size, God doesn't make many of them like this dude.

and he showed that at the senior bowl really didn't get to play too much because of a foot injury. Now he's got another foot injury that he's having surgery on again. It's the same one, right? I think I read it's the same one where I'm like, oh boy. Well, it's a coin flip to one or the other. It's got a 50-50 chance.

Yeah, you got a 50-50 chance, whether it's the same one or it's the other foot. And like now unfortunately, Connor, we have to go, okay, the tape's inconsistent. It's all flashes at this point. But there's really good reason to believe in the flashes. But you're 330 pounds and now you've got foot problems. Not good.

Not good. No, it's concerning. I think there's a world where Caleb Banks, yeah, just does not get drafted in the first round. When in reality, if you go to, you know, Madden settings and turn the pre-existing injuries off. Oh, he's awesome. He might be DT1. You know, it might be talking about him at Bengals at 10. Chiefs at 9.

I don't think we're having those conversations anymore. But that's what we're talking about with a player like this. Inconsistent two years ago, but the flashes were there, man. The raw power, the first step explosiveness. I mean, he had a rep. I think it was Dalton, my co-hosts with the PFF NFL show RIP, who pointed this out to me. There was a rep at the senior ball, a one-on-one rep,

where he lost the rep. And he was immediately, like, said to the coach, like, do it again. Like, let me line up right now. please let me do it again. And he did, and Banks destroyed the guard the second time. And so it's one of those things where it's like, Caleb Banks, when he's locked in, when he's, you know, LeBron's zero dark 30 mode,

is one of the highest ceiling defensive linemen in this class. It's just how often do you get that? Yeah, I have a lot of confidence in the player himself. I mean, the height, length, mass, talking about powerful big hands, quickness off the ball. I think he's twitchy considering the mass he carries, which just defies physics. Powerful, well-rounded. I think he's pretty well-rounded player. I didn't look at him and go like, oh, man, like, you know, I don't trust them doing this or I don't trust them doing that.

By the way, Chad is just out of control. There's so much RIP, Dalton. Dalton is not, Dalton is with us. Dalton is. Dalton is. Peter said, pray for Dalton.

He ain't nothing wrong with him. He just doesn't work for PFF anymore. A lot of people don't. No one does. A lot of people don't sadly. Oh, make sure, also really quick,

Dalton doesn't do social media a lot. Like, he's just not a social media guy. There are very few people that know ball more than Dolphus. He watches a lot of ball. I mean, how players fit,

schematically, like what works, what doesn't, what is so, It's not translatable to the go. I mean, like, hey, dude, he doesn't have time for social media because you're watching tape. Watching baseball, man. Yeah.

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Yes. There's the YouTube channel, which you guys can go see there. Obviously, this is NFL draft channel. If you watch their show and watch our show, you're going to be more prepared for the NFL draft than you ever have before. So please, go support those guys because they're fantastic. I think I've said this before, but my first year doing Big Ten full-time on Saturdays. Throughout the week, I'd like to listen to a couple different previews

of whatever game or games we had for NBC to kind of get what the public is talking about outside our walls. And Max and Dalton are always the first preview I listened to because of their preparation detail. In depth, man. In depth. A good feel for not only the conference at large, but the teams they're talking about. So yeah, I second that. Good use of at large of the adjective at large there. It was good. That's good. All right. Any more Caleb Banks thoughts? No. You got them at three. I got them at two. The too long, don't read is very good. Heard a lot. that's yep I'm with you I'm 100% with you I actually had Caleb Banks ranked as a 3-4 defensive end because I have I have three different categories I have

nose tackle I have 3-4 defense events I actually have them as a 3-4 defense events I would like him there too I think he's more disruptive from there I agree last guy that we haven't talked about yet is christian Miller from Georgia who I have as my defensive tackle one you have him as d T2 you want to just talk about solid as the the great marshaun Lynch video would be when they ask him to describe his game and he says solid and he's going nah that's got to be better than solid he says ain't nothing better than solid baby that's what we're talking about here with Christian Miller I don't know I don't know if that video still exists but search after this podcast search Marshawn Lynch solid and I think that you guys will find the

video such a smart football player man and that's why I love Christian Miller redshirt junior you're coming out of Georgia, just under six foot fourth, 64, 63rd percentile in height, 321 pounds, 84th percentile weight. A little bit shorter arms, 33 inch arms, which is 43rd percentile, but hand size right around 54th percentile, so right where you want it. Former four-star defensive lineman from Ellenwood, Georgia. One state championships is a sophomore and a senior, so he's got the high school rings and the hardware there.

Played four games, a red shirt freshman, then 13 games, and he started 10, they started all 14 this past season. I just think that the way that he sees the game is very rare for a defensive lineman. Defensive linemen are often, you know, just told to attack, right? I mean, like some, yes, I think the great ones read the keys, have great technique, but there's a lot of just big athlete guys on the defensive line who coaches just want, they don't want them to think a lot, they don't want them to process, they just want them to attack, be aggressive in attack.

Christian Miller can do that, but there's just so much high football. IQ with the way that he does it. He has a six sense for where the ball is going. He has great anticipation. Fantastic pad level, fantastic use of leverage, great hand placement is always in control no matter what the situation is asking him to do, especially from a run defense perspective. The processing is so fantastic when it comes to where the ball is going and then when

it is coming towards him to stack and shed and make a play. I don't think that he's ever going to be this major difference making pass rusher. And for that, I think you have to sort of think about his game a little bit like what you talked about with McDonald. You just can't really expect that out of these guys. If you want a pass rusher type, take Caleb Banks. Maybe take Peter Woods, right? Like, take one of those guys if that's really what you want on your defensive line. But if you're asking me to pick one of these players that I have the highest faith in to be a second contract player and an important.

piece of a defensive line. It's Christian Miller from Georgia. There's just so much to like about Christian Miller. Number one, I'll say this, his energy is infectious and insane. When we had him at the Combine, I could hear him from 30 feet away, like yelling go dogs to everybody, just constantly going. I love that. This guy not tired.

I love that. For context, with Combine interviews for media and podiums, a lot of the guys are are up all hours the night meeting with a million teams. And then they're up early to go through medicals and media. And so it's when you see them at podiums or doing media, you try to give them a little grace that like, dude, you're in the most stressful environment you've probably ever been in your life. And it's exhausting and you're exhausted.

And then also some of them might be cutting or adding weight, which is not comfortable on the body. So Christian Miller, he is like, you're around him and you just love listening to him and how passionate he is. And somebody said this in the chat. I guess this was public as well. I know him and Zachariah Branch were like really the two of the pros at that program. Oh, love that. Work ethic wise.

Christian himself credits Mikel Williams a lot for kind of being that guy for him. and he's someone that like he could have left last year, but he dialed in, got better, got stronger, focused in, and he's going to reap the rewards of that when he's the top 40 pick. You and I have been kind of carrying the flag that we think he's very underappreciated in this class. Listen, the pass rush, it runs cold for long stretches. I get it. Like he's not the most dynamic pass rusher, but he's big.

He's got a dense build. when he arrives off the ball, he consistently makes an effort to work his hands, under pads, through the chest, to have control. And he's a stack and shit artist against the run. Yes, he is.

Like, it's head up, control with hands, inside hands, and understand gap integrity, work off the blocker, and stop the ball carrier. And it's just over and over again as you see the 90.9 run defense grade, That is not a coincidence.

He has the size, length, they use him at multiple alignments. Even when he runs cold for long stretches as a pass rusher, Trevor, the effort is still really good. I mean, he's out there trying to work his way through. He's just not dynamic. So this is a floor raiser for a defensive line. Yep, I agree with you. This is a player that I want on my football team.

And I think Marcus was in the chat a little bit earlier. Where was his super chat? Yeah, Marcus, that franchise guy said, Hey, Pipsqueaks. I made sure to book our flights to Guatemala with Jonah Coleman before Connor and I have our kids. Not together. And Trevor gets a big time network job. Can't wait for the trip.

Also, Christian Miller, D.T. High. Stand up. Appreciate Marcus getting in on the super chat. Which we'll read in a couple of minutes here. Yeah. As we are wrapping up the show. There we go, folks. That is our top 10 defensive linemen in the class.

We even threw you a little bit of an extra talking about Caleb Proctor and Grayson Halton just being on the outside, being those pass rusher types that are a little bit more on the outside. And then somebody was talking about Keldrick Falk in the chat. I think Meyer was talking about Keldrick Falk in the edge rusher episode. I wouldn't have Keldrick Falk outside of my top 10 if I was putting him as a 3-4 defensive end, which to be honest with you, I might actually think that that's his best spot in the NFL. But when we did the edge rusher episode, we put him in there. So I didn't think about including him here in this episode. So just a little bit of a conversation there about that.

For me, number 10, Daryl Jackson Jr. from FSU, number nine, Albert Regis from Texas A&M, number eight, Lee Hunter from Texas Sack, 7, Chris McClellan from Missouri, six, big citrus from Iowa State, Zavenan Harris at number five from Ole Miss, four, Peter Woods from Clemson, three, Cade McDonald from Ohio State, two, Caleb Banks from Florida, and then Christian Miller as my DT1 at the top. Number 10 for me, summer scouting favorite, DeMonte Capehart from Clemson. Albert Regis also at nine for me, Treb from Texas A&N.

them, Darryl Jackson Jr. from Florida State at eight, Tim Keenan, the third from Alabama, at seven, six is Dominique, big citrus orange from Iowa State, five, Lee Hunter, the fridge from Texas Tech, four, Peter Woods from Clemson, three, Caleb Banks from Florida, two, Christian Miller from Georgia and one, Caden, McDonald, McPounder from Ohio State. We would love to hear from you guys as well. Obviously, you've talked about Grayson Halton Plumny in the chat, but anybody who is listening after the fact, we'd love to hear you in the comment section. Let us know who we're sleeping on is defensive tackles, players that you can see being drafted a little bit higher, guys that you're going to plant the flag on, you know,

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Could be, could go into Wednesday. So. And it was at that time. She, she, she, she reloaded the shotgun and then stared at you and said, you want to answer that again? Yeah, it was a little Joe Judgian from me, not intended. I'll attend all the other ones. Don't worry, everyone.

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