NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 2027 NFL Draft Edge Rusher Rankings (SUMMER SCOUTING!)

Episode Date: August 6, 2026

SUMMER SCOUTING RETURNS... AGAIN! Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their top 12 Edge Rushers / Defensive Ends in the 2027 NFL Draft! Subscribe to our YouTube channel! It helps us out a bunch. Join our discord to connect with us and fellow addicts! https://discord.gg/WMJFjz4DQP https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW?feature... if the link doesn't work for you, just search 'NFLStockExchange' on discord and it'll pop up 0:00 Intro 4:34 Ranking Reveal 7-12 7:20 Teitum Tuioti, Oregon 12:24 Kameryn Crawford, USC 16:23 Jordan Ross, LSU 21:25 Will "William" Heldt, Clemson 27:49 A Bit is Born 35:09 Kenyatta Jackson, Ohio State 42:48 Boubacar Traore, Notre Dame 47:45 John Henry Daley, Michigan 53:26, Damon Wilson II, Miami 59:59 Matayo Uiagalelei, Oregon 1:05:45 Ranking Reveal Connor 1-6 1:07:01 Clev Lubin, Louisville 1:14:35 Anthony Smith, Minnesota 1:20:11 Ranking Reveal Trevor 1-6 1:20:30 Yhonzae Pierre, Alabama 1:25:09 Colin Simmons, Texas 1:29:56 Dylan Stewart, South Carolina 1:37:30 Outro Follow us on X: https://x.com/NFLSEshow https://x.com/TampaBayTre https://x.com/ConnorJRogers For business or other inquiries, reach us at [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

He was already going to be one of the older prospects in the class because he went on a two-year church mission before he started at BYU. While you're docking him for doing good work for him. Okay. All right. Okay. Two-year mission? Not on my board. Should have been in the wait room. Welcome back to Satan scouting. Want to build houses in a third world country? Round five instead of three.

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange show. Trevor Sicken, McCona, Rogers. Back with you guys for another episode of Summer Scouting today. We are talking about edge rushers. We are ranking the top 12 edge rushers as we see it individually. Because Connor will give you his rankings. I'll give you mine for the 27 NFL draft. Of course, what we're about to see during the 2026 college football season.

Connor, this has been an interesting summer for everybody involved. And just to peek behind the curtain, as we often do on this show, you and I popped into this recording room and you're like, hey, pal, long time, no see. And I feel like we've said that to each other like three times throughout the summer because you and your wife had a baby and then my wife and I went on vacation and it's just it feels like we've been all over the place but it's good to be back in the seat talking summer scouting again with you buddy

I was fired up for this I like you said I felt like I hadn't seen you in a while we text and talk on the phone but it's not the same as doing this show and having a lot of laughs and you know this is really the only time of the year where we can go off the you know the typical pathway a little bit because before you know it when football season's rolling we're pretty kind of constant with two a week, and then we travel for events, and then it's draft season where we feel like we do a show every damn day, and we love it. So this is the time where the most important thing from us to you guys is just getting you the information. It's just making sure it's

delivered in some capacity by the time the college football season starts. So we didn't want to skip another week or anything like that. We're going to start actually cramming more of the shows in. I know Trevor, you and I have been watching the tape, but it's actually just sitting down and announcing our rankings. And we are way over. overdue to talk about the past rushers in the 2027 class. Yes, we've got this episode here. We got another bonus episode for you guys this week tomorrow. We're going to talk about the tight end rankings. The next week we'll hit corners. I think

we're doing defensive tackles after that. Right. I think guys, we'll be pretty close to hitting all of the position groups by the time we get to week one of college football. So I still think we'll be pretty close. But today we're talking edge rushers. Full transparency, as we always say, like I was saying, a few minutes ago. This one is not live. I know.

I know. I know. How could we? Get all your dumb jokes in at the top. You can't hurt me this time. We can't see it. We wanted to still run it live. Well,

hopefully we're able to run it live for you guys to give the community, obviously, a place to, you know, shit talk us while. We can't even see what you guys are saying. Yeah. But Tyler,

Tyler, the chef, he's coming back from his vacation. So we wanted to make sure that we got this episode recorded to get ready for him to be able to produce. it and get it out to you guys. So this is not a live episode. The Friday episode with the tight ends, that will be a live episode. So if you're tuning in 24 hours from now, well, of course, we love you. And we'll see you for that live episode there. So we'll get to interact with you guys. We're going to top 12s today for edge rushers. We have to because

there's so many different styles of pass rushers that you have out there. You could have traditional 4-3 defensive end, hand in the dirt type of guys. You could have the 3-4 outside linebackers, the stand-up, more speedy, flexible pass rushes. You could even have some guys who are more three, four defensive ends. Now, I normally categorize that position more as an interior defensive line position. But, hey, there could be some guys who it's like, I see the flexibility more as defensive ends and true edge rusher type of players who could potentially kick inside. We'll get to all of that, I think, as we go through our top 12s.

Connor, we don't have a, well, I guess we, I guess, are we going to have a list? I don't know how Tyler is going to do this. You know he's going to cook it all up where it's going to look all nice and pretty and everything will be good. It is. It is a matter of how we want to go step by step. All right. Do you want to try to keep it consistent then and you can talk about, you can list off your 7 through 12, and then I'll list my 7 through 12, and then we'll obviously pick the guys to sort of talk about within that group.

I think that's the way to do it. And I'll work my way down. So, all right, let's do it. Let's rock and roll, 7 through 12. Number 12 from me is a guy that ended up returning to school, who we definitely had talked about at some point last season, Kenyatta Jackson from Ohio State. Oh, okay.

11, William Help from Clemson, who there was a lot of talent on that. You hit him with the William. A lot of people are just Will, but you went full government game. Yeah, this is an introduction. It's the first time we're talking about William. We're not comfortable enough to call him Will, Willie, nothing like that. Very true.

Yeah, I hope he brought. brought his tuxedo. You're a respectful man. And we all appreciate you for it. I'm not even doing the dapp. I'm doing the straight handshake. Firm handshake William Helt, welcome to the show, brother. Glad to have you. Next time we'll be bros. Hey, maybe we'll dab it up in April, but not in summer scouting. It's straight handshake. Summer scouting, this is a very serious business. Let's all bring our manners to the table. Jordan Ross, now at LSU, formerly at Tennessee. Yep. Probably one of the more interesting guys we'll talk about today.

My next one, what are you at? What are you at nine? I am now at nine. Jordan Ross was 10. Okay. Balbacar Traori from Notre Dame. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Babacar Traori from Notre Dame, number eight. Tatum Tui Odi from Oregon. Okay. And then right after that, his teammate at seven, Mateo Oi Ungale from Oregon. Okay. All right.

So the Oregon guys back to back on this list. All right. So we've got some. familiar faces here in my list as well. I'll start with number 12 and I'll work way down to 7 and then we'll deep dive into these guys individually. 12 for me is Jordan Ross, who you mentioned. He was at Tennessee. Now he's at LSU.

Number 11. Cameron Crawford from USC. Did you watch Cameron Crawford? I don't think so. Oh, man. I feel like I watched this group now three weeks ago. We just haven't, I need to like sit down today and like go back over my notes. I don't think he was on my on my rankings.

No, now I'm excited to hear you talk about it. Okay. Yeah. I am excited to talk about him. I really am. Number 10, John Henry Daly, who is at Utah, now he is in Michigan. Number nine, I have William Halt as well. Here he is William.

For a handshake there from Clemson. I got him at number nine. Number eight, I have Damon Wilson, who was at Missouri. Now he is at Miami. And number seven, I have Kenyatta Jackson from Ohio State. Who on your list did I not have on mine? Oh, the other Oregon player. What's his...

Oh, Tatum Tuoyote? Yes, yes, yes. So I watched Twoioti and I have him just outside of my top 12. But you got him at number eight, at number eight. So I'll let you talk about him, intro him really quick. And I'll give my thoughts after you talk about him a little bit here. It was interesting watching him because we've spent a lot of time on Mateo, his teammate before, Uyungle. And, you know, when you turn on the tape, it's...

It's like, oh, who's the other guy playing with him? Yeah. Toyota, 6-2 and a quarter, 261. So pretty compact, dense build on this fella. And that will not surprise you when you hear that this is a rugged powerhouse edge setter. Yeah. I mean, that's, he is going to defend the absolute hell out of the run. He doesn't get moved off the line of scrimmage.

He's not trying to undercut run plays. He's a head-up run defender. that is trying to force the running back to flow really, really wide, and he does a really good job holding his ground. As a pass rusher last year, you start to see the green light come on a little bit. Now, is it a little one-dimensional at times? Yeah, he's a pocket-pushing bully. And it doesn't even look pretty all the time.

It kind of looks like, you know, a wild boar just trying to take on contact and power his way through. He's good at it. He's strong as hell. He had a 14.4% pass rush win rate last year. So he is generating pressure. The 40 total pressures, 9.5 sacks. I will give him credit. He's trying to get a dip move going,

and he's trying to get a counter spin going. It's not refined, but it's something that he understands he needs to tap into. It feels like it's great with him that you have the baseline, that he's one of the better run defending, edge setters in this group with an NFL body type in terms of the actual mass and strength. He can rush with power. Now he understands that he's going to have to kind of diversify that pass rush portfolio.

Where he's going to be capped ceiling-wise, and I definitely went with the floor guy here rather than just going with the higher ceiling guy, is that his pursuit speed, overall pursuit, it's just hampered by mediocre agility in closing speed. Like there's times, Trev, and I'm sure this is why he didn't end up in your top 12, where he powers his way through or gets through, and he just can't stick his foot in the ground and kind of swivel back the other way. Or the closing speed is just not a step quick enough that instead of a quarterback hit or a sack, it's the quarterback gets the ball out. So in a perfect world, and this is what he's supposed to be on Oregon, he's a number two, because he gives you a different look as a tough edge setter and a power rusher. but I do think there's a cap ceiling as a pass rusher. Yeah, and I saw that his dad, Tony, is the defensive line coach at Oregon as well.

He's coached at Hawaii, coached for the Browns. He's coached at Michigan, Nebraska, Cal. And so, like, he is the son of a coach. And his older brother played linebacker at Boise State. Another brother played defensive line at San Diego State. Other brother played linebacker at Idaho State. Sister and mother both played college volleyball. So this is a really athletic family.

and you see that in how he plays. I think if there's a calling card for him, it is that effort. It is that high football IQ. I mean, I have in my notes here under the strengths part of his scouting report, it's like it's many car crashes every single play with when this guy is making contact with he.

He's got those violent hands as well. That effort is there, but also the IQ is there. Sometimes you've got these guys running around and they're like, oh, I got to give great effort, but they don't know exactly where they're going. He definitely marries that. And I think it gives him a higher floor I just, what you sort of said at the end there, what worries me is that he doesn't have the NFL

measurables along with sort of that explosiveness that you were alluding to where it was harder for him to finish plays. The stride length is just short for him. And I think that when he's closing in on ball carriers, when he's trying to catch guys from behind, it's hard for him to do it just because he doesn't have that long stride length. Too many steps. Right. Too many steps to try to get to where the ball is. So I do think that this player is going to get now i think that a a summer ranking for tuity is is different from what maybe a january or february ranking might be there's a lot of guys that are further ahead of him on this list for me because i believe in them more with their potential especially as past rushers but we

could get into a world where six months from now this guy's floor is so high and a lot of the past rushers maybe didn't pan out to where maybe he is a top top top of you. 12, top 10, edge defender for me. But to me, he's very much of what you see is what you get type of a player. And I don't mean to be overly harsh on that type of a guy, but there are just a lot of

players who have just higher ceilings that I ended up going with now that we're obviously recording this in the month of August with another season for these guys to play. Let's hear about Cameron Crawford. Okay, yeah. With pleasure, my friend, Cameron Crawford, he is

from, he's a true junior this year from USC. It listed at 6'5-265 pounds. So he's built the way that you want an edge defender to be built at the pro level. 80th percentile in height, 55th percentile in overall weight. He's a four-star edge defender,

actually from Mobile, Alabama. Funny how he got out of that state and over to USC. Also played basketball in high school. I know we've talked about, hey, what are the stats here on this show? I don't have the stats. Don't have the statistics.

So maybe he was averaging 2.2 points per game and 1.1 rebound per game, I don't know. Maybe we're moving the decimal as 22 and 11. Who knows? But I just know that he's a multi-sport background and he played basketball in high school. I think that there is so much potential in what this guy does. And I'm really excited to watch him this year because I'll talk about the negative with him really quick. He doesn't have a full pass rush plan that is developed.

Now remember, true junior going into this upcoming season. So he doesn't have a full pass rush plan this developed. And I think that he's, when you watch him last year, he's still thinking. He's still, you watch like the hamster wheel turning. Like he's just, he's trying to remember all of the things that he should be doing. And the things that he's doing are good things, right? I mean, he's getting off the ball with his front foot. He's keeping his pad level low.

When his hands are coming into an offensive lineman, they're inside. He's trying to extend those hands. He's making sure that he is stacking from a point of dominance and power where he can control the rep. It allows him to shed. the block a little bit quicker. So you see him like he's doing the right things. It's just taking him a little bit of tight. It's not quite like muscle memory for him yet. So he needs to be quicker in how he sees thing, how he attacks the game. But man, really good size, really good length. He carries that 260, 265 pounds really well. He's got experience rushing from a two point stance and a three

point stance because he can be a defensive end or an outside linebacker for you. High effort type of a player, really great competitiveness when I saw him whatever he was asked to do, consistent violence to his game, which is always something that's a prerequisite for playing in the trenches. The first step and the burst have so much potential, but again, we didn't get to see it fully ears pinned back, as they say with the green light, because he was kind of like, okay, I'm thinking about things a little bit too much. I think he's got really good change of direction as well for an edge defender. So he brings a lot of the athletic profile that we'd want to see for a player. And if I'm if I'm taking a player from a realistic standard that is listed at 6'4, 6'4, 6'5, 260, 25 pounds,

he has built the way I want him to be built. He has the experience that I want to see. He has the effort that I want to see. There is more juice that's sort of left to squeeze out of, I think, what he could be from an athletic standpoint as a pass rusher. And to think that he was just a true sophomore last year, thinking of what he could be as a junior, maybe even as a senior, we'll see if he declares.

I think there's a path to him being a really, really good edge defender this upcoming season. I like the process here of going after a guy that is a true junior that has already started through the little things right and has enough athleticism, hopefully to capitalize on his development and is going into his third year at a program, so you're actually getting some stability in development. So I'll definitely watch him. I mean, Lord knows we're going to have plenty of USC at NBC this year.

And I feel like I remember him flashing last year on that front in some of the games we had. so definitely excited to catch up on him. Also, where's number one? So aesthetics. Definitely matter here. By the way, I just looked at his profile for USC. They have him listed at $255 now. So I wonder if he's going to play more of that outside linebacker role,

get a little bit faster and hopefully up the backfield production with him losing a little bit of weight there. Okay, bolking up. So that was 12 for you? Yes. No, he was 11. So Jordan Ross was actually 12 for me. You want to talk about Ross?

Yeah, let's go to Jordan Ross. So Ross is another player who is a true, junior junior, um, going into this season. He's at LSU now. You mentioned it. He was at Tennessee previously. Former five star recruit. Big recruit. Yes. Uh, played basketball. Average nearly a double double. I got the stash for this one. Average nearly a double double on the hardwood. 9.2 points per game, 8.1 rebounds per game as a junior, uh, and help them reach the regional final. Saw that uh, in his little background bio. I can't remember if that was from Tennessee or LSU or recruiting background or what.

But so he was at Tennessee for the last two years. Played in 11 games of true freshman, did not redshirt. Played in 10 games in 2025 as well. But Connor, I think that this is worth noting, didn't start. Neither of those years. He was never, he was never a start. Now, he is built like you wanted an edge rush to be built. 6'5, 245 pounds, so he'd be a little bit bigger.

I mean, 245 is only 8th percentile there, but I think that he's got the frame to be able to put on some more. mass and have a little bit more strength there. I think the athletic profile for him is very alluring. Really good first step. You could tell he's a very natural athlete. But I think there's a reason why he has not started yet two years into his career despite being a five-star edge rusher.

And that is the feeder jittery before the snap. He really does not know what he's doing with his hands yet. There's no sort of pass rush plan. He kind of just wants to run India, shove you, kind of swipe you away, but it's a little bit chaotic in how he does it. There's just not a lot. I didn't see a lot of rhyme or reason to when he won, Connor, when he got into the backfield, it was either he was chasing somebody down from the backside where he didn't

really actually have a blocker in front of him, or his first step just totally dominated the rep and he was able to get into the back. There just was not a lot of repeatable, hey, the offensive tackle is going to stand between me and the quarterback and I get to get to the quarterback. I didn't really see a lot of reps where he was able to win those situations. So a talented player built the way you want an NFL edge rusher to be built. I think in the modern game with it being a little bit faster, but just needs to really hone in on how you really win without athleticism there.

No doubt about that. And that's why he ended up still as high as 10 for me, because he has that first step to build upon. If you have in theory the size that he has, it's more length-based. He needs to still get stronger. Combined with the first step and the explosive athleticism. All right, let's see if everything else comes together here.

Like you said, Trevor, it's been a very small sample size for opportunity to do that. I mean, he played less than 100 snaps against the run last year. Yeah. And we've seen this a lot from Tennessee over the years. They've had a lot of different guys that are pass rush first, that they just go, well, let's find a way to keep him off the field against the run. This is a five-star recruit at 2024 class, big-time kind of player, big-time athlete.

Looks very lean to me, totally developmental against the run. Love how he can get off the ball when his timing's right. Because that explosive takeoff, he can convert speed to power when he throws his hands with the purpose. But like you said, Trevor, it's not enough.

The technique aspect is just, like you're just, a great athlete out there. Now, I am really excited to see how LSU develops this guy. If there's a world where Jordan Ross goes from 10 to 4 to me, by the time the draft rolls around, I wouldn't sit here and be like, how the heck did that happen?

But if there's a world where he's got to go back to school because he's still so raw in a lot of different areas, that wouldn't shock me as well. So he's, the reason I said at the top of the show, he's one of the more interesting discussion points is he's undoubtedly one of the more high variance guys on this list. I think we're,

and I think that you would agree with this, not to speak for you, but I would not be shocked, and I think that it's much more likely that we're talking about him this time next year as well. I thought so. And I kind of, obviously, like, I, obviously I hope he kills it this year because it'd give us a fun prospect that's like about for next year's class. But I just, I think that the more realistic path for him to really being a great NFL player is maybe packing on eight, five, 10 more pounds to you,

really figuring out the hand usage part of your game. And I think that that, that to me is just, it's so difficult to do that from what we saw in his tape last year. I think it's, I think it's going to take him a little bit more time to be able to do that the right way. Yeah, definitely. William time. Yeah, I think it is William time. Have a great William, William Helt. Go ahead.

You were giving him the, you were giving him the respect. I think that, I think you got to, you got to kick this one off here with William Helt from Clemson. Respect is earned. And William Hell, you have earned my respect because you have made the rankings. Clemson edge rusher out of Purdue, well from Purdue. Started at Purdue. Started at Purdue. Thank you.

I have a brain. It just doesn't work all the time. Senior now, 6.6 and 7.8s. So he is the height of 6.7. I can say it because there's no live chat right now to spam. Nice. This is a tall fella. Get after him.

Get after him. Like a spring verified almost 6.7. 260? What did you say? was 6-6 and 7-8s? Yeah. Spring height. 2-60.

I know. We're kind of so true. I wonder, I actually didn't even look at what the school lists him as, where I'm like, is this one where they didn't even catch up yet? Because that happened so often with guys like this. I'll pull that up in a second. So. 6-7 is 97th percentile. And I see his Purdue page, he was listed at 6-6.

Okay. So he might be 6'10 by the time he gets to the NFL. William Helt. He's in the late Grossbert. It's amazing. Clems just got them listed at 6-6. What are they doing? They're short-changing them.

Brother, round up. I love when we... I feel like we get like two of these a year where you're like, wait a second, you were hiding that this guy's bigger than he is? That's crazy to me. Yeah. That's crazy.

So if he was a quarterback, they would list him at 6-10. 100%. So clearly NFL edge size. I mean, you could argue, like with that body type, he could probably, just PV and J protein shake every night to 280 and be a three four end. William Held.

To me, it was funny watching it because how many times they were going to watch the same Clemson tape with the players they had in the front seven last year in the draft. There was a lot of times where he played like the best one out of them last year. Not two years ago, you know, obviously those guys were really like those guys were on a high level. but high effort guy pocket pushing long arm that was the number one move to me yeah he had that you know it's funny because we saw that from his teammate t j parker as well i wonder if that's something that they all kind of developed together that's what i liked a lot was he had that pocket pushing long arm power i just at the end of the day to simplify this evaluation he felt like a jack of all

trades high effort player that can play standing up or with his hand in the dirt. Yep. But I thought he was a below average athlete with no special traits. And that's a, it's weird. I don't want to undersell him because I feel like that's really, like that's really critic. It's just, it feels like high criticism. But it goes back to, there's a lot of guys like this in the NFL that are number two,

number three kind of edge players. I just didn't see the athlete that we blink and go, oh, William Helt had 11 sacks that were so wildly dynamic and impressive that'll translate to the NFL. I saw him more as that power and effort number two guy. Yeah, I mean, most of his best production comes from effort. Like, it really does.

And sometimes it's bad offensive tackles that he's going up against that have no prayer against his arm length because I'm with you. I mean, I have it in bold, like the long arm move, like is the move that he loves to go to. I thought his, I thought his change of direction was a lot better than I thought I was going to see for a player who is six foot six, six foot seven. That's very fair. And I think that he does have a nice little sort of like first step, whether it's, you know, getting vertical or even changing direction. But I agree from an overall perspective.

I didn't, I think that his athletic profile is, at least what from what translate on the field. I don't know if he's going to be like a combine like workout warrior or anything like that. But I didn't see a special type of athlete there. And then really what was the drawback for me with him is that height, that length, we all like to talk about it as a positive. But if you can't stay low, it's harder for you to win. Because offensive linemen who might be worse than you from a talent perspective, if they get leverage on you, the low man often wins, as the saying goes. And so I just saw that a lot, especially when he was rushing from that two point stance because you're naturally a little bit higher. when offensive linemen got their hands inside on him,

it was pretty difficult, I felt, or at least it was much more of a chore for him to break free if he was not able to keep his distance, whether it was from the long arm or a two-handed swipe or something like that. What I would love to see from William this year, an inside move, master some sort of inside move. Let's get like a little cross chop or some, maybe even if it's a spin move or just something where

maybe you're hitting like a club and an arm over but it's to the inside like if he can hit a really nice inside move that just allows you to form so much of a pass rush plan where you go okay here's what i'm going to do to start the game i'm gonna i'm gonna try to attack your outside shoulder and make sure that you can reach a landmark to beat me from a speed perspective and then if you're if you can do that but you i can tell you're stressed with it i'm going to hit you with the long arm when i'm attacking the outside shoulder and then when i've got to you panicked about how to protect the chest and reach your landmark, guess what I'm going to do then? whoop, there's the inside move. Now I'm crossing the face and now I'm getting an open path to the

quarterback. But we've got to see more of that inside move as a counter from him to really round out that pass rush plan. So if he does that, I think that backfield production is going to stay there for him. But I am with you. Like I feel like this could be a really solid player at the NFL level. Somebody who, like you said, gives great effort, has good length that he is bringing to the equation of being on the defensive line, but I still need to see a little bit more to say like, okay, this is a, because I've seen people talk about William Helt

as potentially a top 50 type of pick, and I'm just not there with him yet. I think that he is closer to that 75, 100 type, you know, I haven't scouted the whole class yet, but like that's sort of where I... I've seen every last one of them. I don't know. I've never not watched a player.

I don't know what to tell you guys. I've never not watched a player. Yeah, you know, Dan Brugler's the Beast, double it. And then you're halfway to what I have seen from this class. I'm going to make my own draft guide called the Godzilla. And it just has 9,000 players. Every international pathway program player you could ever think of. Guys that don't even know they're going to be in the guide.

I just go scowl and watch them play pickup basketball. It's like when it's like when in the MLB they just draft players for like shits and giggles. They're just like, hey, this player, he's actually, he's never been in the country. before doesn't have any sort of citizenship or access to NFL football at all whatsoever. Doesn't play sports either. Not even on a pathway program, but you know what? We like them. When me and my wife were over in Japan on a trip, I saw him playing ping pong one time and I said,

that guy's got it. Dude, it's the MLB draft and it's gotten shorter, but it's still too long. And it's how many rounds are there now? I don't know now, but I mean, it felt like it was like 28, not that long ago. Time to check. Where, yeah, please get into the latest with the MLB draft. I know they've condensed it, thank goodness. I mean, I'm pretty sure the Yankees at one point drafted Russell Wilson.

He just shows up once a year and takes batting practice for fun because he's Russell Wilson. All right, so there's 20 rounds now. Yeah, that's shortened. And it previously lasted 40 rounds up to 2019. And it was 50 rounds before 2011. I mean, you're drafting, you're drafting kids who haven't even been born yet. You're scouting paternal genetics for a 50 round draft every year for baseball. That is, that is just so wild.

Do you, so do you think the NFL draft is too short? It should go back to being longer with the success of UDFAs? I don't know. I mean, my first, my first answer to this. that is no. Right. But if you add an extra round, it would be interesting because... I think we could do eight rounds.

Adding an extra round, I definitely think they could do eight rounds. All it would do is, you know, all the special teams guys that get picked in round six and seven, right? That would still happen. It would just happen in round seven and eight. You're 100% correct. So it would almost just be another round of like flyer. picks, right? Like guys who might be like more boom or bust type of players. Like those are actually the players.

International developmental guys. Right, right, right, right. Oh, dude. What if they just had like the international round? That actually would be sick. Like on Sunday they just did the international round. You have to take an international pathway program player. Yes.

I mean, let's be real. That would be a content factory. Dude, I have interacted with so many podcasts and football fans who are everywhere. Europe, Australia, Brazil, South America. Like the game, you would be able to access and put on a platform so many people who love this game who do content about it outside of the United States or even just North America, I would say. That would be really cool if there was just like a dead-ings. dedicated international pathway type of draft.

Here's what you do. You build up the international prospect pool. You give them not only their own combine, but maybe their own scrimmage before the draft. And then like you said, Trevor, it's not the eighth round, but it's an extra round that is only for those players with the opportunity.

Every team has their international pitch. They cannot trade it. That player can go to the practice squad and not be poached. You saying that they can't trade it, all you're doing is cutting the Jets' legs out from underneath them because you know that Jets would collect those picks as well. Yeah. Seven international players on the practice squad.

You're so right. They absolutely would. You're kind of on to something here. It's interesting. I wonder if we get there as the league's obsession with global expansion continues. I was going to say, do you think this is before or after they put a division in Europe? Before.

Okay. Yeah. That was just a little tongue and cheek way of me saying that I feel as though we might get to a point where we have an entire division that's almost like a European division. And you like travel. You like, you have part of the schedule. Like you just have a four week period where you're over there. You're not like going there and back at all. You're just knocking out the whole division.

God, there's so many CBA problems with it. That it's such an interesting, long, like, you want to get into international law? We can do that. Just give us a couple of weeks. We'll get it. We'll get it. There's so many hiccups that they'd have to get through to do it. They'll try.

I want to be very clear. I have no, no one has ever told me that. I've just kind of thought that that is. Oh, they absolutely are at least brainstorming. Because, I mean, they had the NFL Europe idea many years ago. They just, that was, I think, before its time. Like the world just wasn't ready for NFL Europe. I just remember the team as being in Madden.

I know. Kurt Warner, I believe, NFL Europe, right? Yes, the, he was on the Amsterdam Admirals in 1998. Hell yeah, Kurt. What were his stats? Oh, what were he stats? He ended his season completing four of 11 pass attempts for 39 yards. Wait, that can't be right.

Yeah, he probably... That was Kurt Warner's. stats. Oh no, that was his second year? No, no, that was somebody else. Wikipedia wrote this wrong. Kurt Warner, I apologize. NFL Europe legend. He led the league in touchdowns and passing yards. His backup was Jake Delome. Really? So, no, this is why I read the Wikipedia wrong. He were in the same year after the NFL Europe season, he returned to the United States. Yeah, and then he was with, he was the Rams third stringer, and that's when he was 4-11 for 39 yards.

So yes, of course, Kurt Warner, NFL Europe legend, led the league in touchdowns and passing yards. Damn. Yeah. We need more Kurt Warner's out here. Got to see. NFL Europe back. I know.

They were just too early. That's what I'm saying. You're 100% right. They were just ahead of their time. Where are we on edge rushers? We finished up on William. Yes. Sir William.

So I think the next one is, do you have John Henry Daley on here? Yeah, I do. I have him fifth. Oh, okay. And then do you have Damon Wilson on here? I do. I have Damon Wilson on here. Okay, okay, okay.

Let's talk about Kenyatta Jackson then, because you have him at 12. Yes. And I have him at seven. Oh, wow. So Kenyatta Jackson, redshirt senior from Ohio State. You don't get a lot of them because I feel like Ohio State. She's an NFL factory in. They're coming out at least before they get their fifth year.

as a senior. He's listed 6'4.6, 265 pounds, and I'm not doubting that. I'm sure he has official measurements. Do you have his official measurements? I should. Let me see. I think they were actually still the listed. I mean, it's got to be close. Just looking at the dude, I got to think that it's got to be pretty close. He is 6-4 and 7-8s-2-60. Damn, so he is. 6-5-2-60. All right, okay, all right, 6-5-260. So it's, uh, slightly, it's like an inch shorter. No, not, I mean, 6, 4 and 7, 8s. I had him, oh, did you have him 6,6?

Is that why? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. But he is 260, which is very believable when you watch him on tape. Yes. So I think the dude is built very well for the NFL game. Hold on, just updating the height and weight on my sheet live on the show. So Keniata Jackson, five-star recruit from Miami Gardens, Florida.

was the Florida Gatorade player of the year as a senior in the 2022 recruiting class won three state championships as a sophomore, junior, and seniors. He loved to see that. Absolute winner. Redshirted his first year, played in 11 games in 2023, played in 16 games in 2024,

and then started all 14 games in 2025. Now, say, Treb, what happened? Why can't this guy get on the field? Well, he had to wait behind Jack Sawyer and JT2E Malow who those two guys probably stayed a year longer than a lot of people thought they were going to stay. So, that's right. Kenyatta Jackson, I think that there's some context to him being sort of where he is at this point in time.

I'm curious as to the reason of you have him at 12, because I, and the reason why I'm curious to hear what you have to say about it is because I think that, I think we're going to talk about this player similarly. It's just viewing him a little bit different. maybe like we did with the Oregon guy. What's his last name? Oh, Toyota. Tuyote? Yes. So there are so many positives that I have here for Cognada Jackson.

Very athletic looking frame at 6'5, 260, 265 pounds. Not just great size, but really long arms for the position as well. So the length matches the overall size. Quick hands to be able to stack offensive tackles. And he sheds to get clean pretty often. he knows how to shoot gaps. He's got good eyes, very solid floor as a run defender. Good overall flexibility to get low in his stance

despite being a taller type of a player. Understands how to attack the half man, really take an offensive tackle and say, hey, I'm going to attack this outside shoulder, right? I'm going to make sure that my moves are focusing on, you know, swiping away the outside hand or the inside hand, whichever way that I'm going. That's what you're talking about attacking the half man.

You're talking about sort of softening the edge. by really getting after one side of them so they can't just take their entire body and their entire strength and try to stand in front of you. Constant. Connor, I noticed this from every single game that I watch of him. Constant communicator pre-snap.

He is calling out formations. He is pointing things out. He is telling things to his teammates. He is looking back to the linebackers and telling them what's going on and where the gaps are going to be. He almost never comes off to field. This guy's in every situation.

They have him on first and 10 to start the game. They have him in goal line. They have him on third and long. Kenyatta Jackson is on the field. There is so much to like about him that raises his floor as a player. However, I think that despite his size, he could still play a little bit stronger, still play with a little bit better of an anchor. He's very focused on not losing contain and doing what he needs to do as a run defender.

And I think that the cost of that is his pass. rush mentality. That's right. And he hasn't, I think I'm watching him develop some moves, but he just really doesn't think about it like that. He just kind of is like, I am going to set the line of scrimmage. I am going to set the edge here. Nobody's getting by me. I'm going to be a great run defender. And when it comes to those pass rushing situations, he'll give you good effort. But the hand speed is just not quite where you want it to be. Again, he's a little bit more reactionary and instead of anticipatory and really dictating those pass rush reps. And so to me, I like this player a good amount.

I think that he presents a high floor. He's got a good build for the NFL very clearly. I think he's got a good football IQ, not just for what he is doing, but what the players around him are doing. But I just don't know how good of a pass rush for this guy is going to be. And so he's a little bit higher on my list because he's got another year to go here. But, you know, if he's the same player going into January, that's going to be disappointing in my book. even though it'll be something that I still think can play in the NFL.

And that's why I ended up at 12 for me. It's, you know, here's the things I like, and you alluded to a lot of them. He's got length, and he, because of that length and size, he's got alignment versatility. You get to see him as an attacking three tech. You get to see him be a stand-up edge player. You get to see him be a hand in the dirt defensive end. I think he plays with heavier hands against the run. Like, it feels like once he knows it's the run, he unlocks his hand.

and can discard blocks forcefully and with timing. As a pass rusher, I only saw flashes of that. It just didn't carry over to like get off the ball, unlock my hands, kind of jolt the offensive lineman. There are examples, but they were a little few and far between. I mean, he had a win rate under 13%. And you nailed it, Trevor, where part of that being low is that he is being really responsible, like Bill Belichick would have.

loved to this guy. Yeah, 100%. He would feel like that. And that is a compliment to what he can do right now and why he's an NFL, a legitimate NFL prospect. The thing is, there is no explosiveness as a speed rusher. I don't know if he has a true position right now, if he's not really a good pass rusher as an edge defender, but he's smaller than a three tech.

And then his production is just effort. from good coverage on the back end. Like, that's what the production's from. He does not win quickly. He does not win quickly right now. So, I wonder if he's a three, four end. Oh, I would love him as a three, four end if he bulked up. I really, because I, the hands are there.

Ohio State guy, not shocking. The IQ is there, the toughness, the stack and shed. And then the lack of explosive speed as an edge defender is, is less notable when you're playing. three tech than trying to be a stand-up speed rusher. Yeah. So I'm with you. I think that's his best home to be an NFL starter.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, I could see that as well. I just think that this guy's going to play in the NFL and coaches are going to be happy with him, probably in a rotational role. I don't know how high his ceiling is, but I do think he's got a really high floor from what I saw.

Yeah. Let's go to where did you have Boba-Car Trieri at? Trieri was at 9 for me. me. Okay, I have him at six. So he is in the, he's in the next group here for me. And I think that we're now at the place where we can cross the groups here a little bit. So let's start with the Bobocart Triori from, from Notre Dame. You have mid nine. I have him at six here in the next part of my group. So he's listed six foot five, two hundred fifty pounds, unless you have verified measurements that

are different. Yeah, six four and an eighth, two 51. Okay, okay. So inch shorter, pound heavier. In shorter. Um, which I think makes sense. from his build and kind of how I see him on tape. So I'm glad that we got those. He's a Redshirt Jr. going into this season. He tore his ACL in 2024. And so last year he was recovering from that injury.

He played in five games in Redshirt in 2023. He played in five games and then tore his ACL the following year. And then he started all 11 games in 2025. But he looked a little bit different. I was really excited about this player before he tore his ACL in 2024. And he, he, he, still showed flashes of being a good player, but we'll kind of get to that in a second.

He's a four-star recruit, played tight end and defensive end when he was in high school. His brother played for LSU, later played for the Arizona Cardinals. Other brother played college basketball in D2, so coming from an athletic family there as well. I think that this guy is intriguing because I think he's got a pretty high floor

as a run defender with how, dense his frame is, how much you see, I mean, when he, when he puts his shoulder and sort of his helmet, you know, into the chest of an offensive tackle and he's making contact, you see it. I mean, you see the offensive line, no matter how big they are. They get popped back. Now, they might recover, but like, you feel it when he hits you and he puts his shoulders into your chest there. He's got a high IQ for run defense, I feel. He's not like somebody who's ever going to leave his teammates out to dry. He's constantly chopping and ripping away the hands of offensive tackles to try to get free when he is pass rushing.

Really good violence that he consistently plays with. Ability to stack and shed pretty quickly. I think he's got a good first step explosiveness out of his stance. I thought that post-ACL injury, he wasn't as twitchy as I felt like I saw him in 2024 before the injury, but I'm really hoping that in 2026, it's like, okay, we're a year removed from that. we've started 11 games in 2025 you know let's unleash here let's take it to the next level let's be the player that i think we can really be so i think the arm length might be a little bit of an issue for him

but um i think there's a i think there's a lot of potential for this guy that's why i got him at number six i'm really expecting if he is fully healthy and he's confident on that knee i should say because that's what a lot of doctors will tell you the injury physically heals a lot sooner than the mind does from when you have those major injuries, whether it's a knee injury and Achilles injury, whatever. But I'm hoping that he feels even more confident on that knee going into this year because I think we're going to see a player who could be a top 60, top 50 type of a player if he really achieves that ceiling that I see for him. Yeah, I see it as you do. I like this bet by you actually having him sixth. Considering I had him ninth, there was a lot to like about this player.

And I'll read you a note from my weaknesses section that I think is actually going to give more optimism of why he could be better this year. It was kind of going back to what you're saying. I said some of his past rushing looks like he's doing too much thinking rather than getting off the ball and going. He just needs to play faster. And the injury context is perfect for that. Where I think that'll be behind him this year

and you'll see the pressures and the win rate go up and a lot of that behind him. And he's already got a good baseline beyond that because he's urgent. and stout against the run. Like he is very urgent. He understands leverage. I love watching him stack and shed.

And going back to the pass rush, one thing that he is oddly comfortable with is the spin move. The spin move is fast and fluid. And it consistently generates pressure. It's like, dude, if you have that in the bag, you're a very good run defender. You just need to get more comfortable

coming off an injury to your base. I mean, the other things are going to arrive. So, yeah, Traori, that's a really good Notre Dame team. this year. Yeah, really good. Yeah, they have, they have talent galore. And I think he's going to be, I think he should be one of the headliners of it for

sure. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's two other players, Leonard Moore. And then I can't remember their linebacker's name, but just like everyone that I have talked to about those two players specifically, which I haven't gotten to quite yet with scouting. Like everyone that I have talked to is like, yeah, yeah, as advertised, if not even maybe better than what you thought that they were going to be previously. So I think it's going to be a really good team there for Notre Dame.

Let's hit John Henry Daily next. Yeah. From Utah, transfers over to Michigan. I have them at number 10. You have it number five. Right. Yeah, I'll let you intro them because you got him a little bit higher in the rankings. All right.

Let me pull him up in my notes. This is a really interesting guy for the reason that not only that he transferred, BYU, Utah, now he's at Michigan, 64, 255. he tore his Achilles late last year. So you get to watch all this wildly impressive tape. 23% pass rush win rate.

He's in last year's class if he doesn't tear his Achilles. Definitely. He had that kind of year. Where it was, I mean, 11.5 sacks, 54 total pressures. And it's just how is he going to look

coming off of that? Because edge rushers, it does take some time. And as it is already, his ability to get off the ball and overall speed are not his strongest traits. Like I don't watch him and look at like, wow, he's explosive off the ball and his chase speed's crazy.

It's average. But the reason why I have him at five is, I mean, this guy's contact balance is phenomenal. When you watch him during his rush, he does not lose his balance as offensive linemen throw their hands at him. He does such a good job keeping his body in position. he's got a ton of polished pass rush moves. And if you're winning at the rate he does and you're not this super explosive speedy athlete,

not a bad one, I want to reiterate, but just not like we saw with David Bailey last year and Abdul Carter, like guys like that, right? You probably have to have pretty refined moves and he does. There's a rip move. He wins with the two-handed swipe all the time. He wins with the spin move all the time. And then to balance out all this refinement and polish as a pass rusher,

there is so much effort put into his play to be a strong edge setter in the run game. He doesn't chase splash plays. Like with how good his hands are, he can chase those plays, but he doesn't opt to. And he really never, he doesn't have negative plays in the run game, which he's really good. I hate that we have the variable that is the Achilles,

because we've seen so many pass rushers take more time to come back from it. Right. But this is somebody with the high variety in his pass rush bag combined with how smart he is as a run defender. I watched him and like I said, if the Achilles checks out, he's a top 50 a pick. Oh, wow, okay. Yeah. Well, I guess I mean, you got a five overall. Or the five in the edge rush group.

But an Achilles variable is colossal. Like if it zaps 25% of his ability next year, then he's not a top 50 pick. And there's a good chance it does. But I like the player a lot. Yeah, and that's the unfortunate part of, I think, why he's lower on my rankings as well. I mean, you mentioned him. He's a bad out of hell. I mean, the second that the ball was snap, the way, because I agree with you, I don't think

he's a great athlete, but his first step and his reaction to when the ball is snapped is so fast that he converts speed to power so quickly that it still can overwhelm offensive tackles that are way bigger and stronger than him. and yet he'll still be able to get them off balance and move them and be able to, okay, now I got you off balance on the heels, now I can go after your left or right shoulder, whatever it is. That's really how he won consistently when he was at Utah last year. And I could see a place where like that still wins in the NFL.

But I don't think he has long arms. So I think the length is going to be an issue for him. Not a great overall athlete outside of that first and second step. not a super powerful player outside of converting speed to power, which he does very effectively. Now you're talking about he's coming off an Achilles tear. It's tough. And he was already going to be one of the older prospects in the class

because he is a member of the Church of Latter-day Saints and he went into a two-year church mission before he started at BYU. So- While you're docking him for doing. Okay. All right. Okay. Two-year mission?

Not on my board. Should have been in the wait room. Welcome back to Satan scouting. You know, I'm laughing and I'm having fun with it. But it is real in terms of age. I've actually never thought about it in the way that you just owned me right there. Where you're like, oh yeah, okay, let's knock a guy for trying to make the world a better place. Want to build houses in a third world country?

Round five instead of three. You did this to yourself. I did. That's the worst part. No, he's a first rounder. No, he's a first rounder. I'm even higher on him than you all. So all of that people in my team. All of that stuff obviously goes into his scouting profile.

And I hope we see a player who is very close to what we saw last year because he was. He was extremely disruptive and I'd love to see him in Michigan against that big 10 schedule that they're going to play up against. And so I just hope the Achilles is good. And if the Achilles is good, I think obviously we're talking about a player who, I think it's a top 100 type of a player. You think that he could be a top 50 type of a player as well from what we saw last year. Let's go to Damon Wilson next because I have him in number eight. Okay.

Where do you have Damon Wilson? I think I had him at number four. Okay. All right. Now we're cooking with gas, baby. Let's do, all right. You intro, Damon Wilson. Because again, you're higher on him.

I am higher. on Mateo Uyungalale, so we will hit him next. Yep. That's perfect. I want to make sure that I have the... Okay, so 6-4-241 for Damon Wilson, by the way. Ooh, he's 240? 2-41, yeah, very, so very light in terms of that now.

See, that makes sense, because I think he's got to get stronger. He does. Yeah, that makes sense. For a player, I have fourth in this edge group, and I'll be honest, this edge group left a little bit to be desired. Like I didn't walk away from watching it and be like, here comes another wave of pass rushers in the NFL. We'll get to the cream

of the crop. That's a different combo. But as a total group. Damon Wilson though, and maybe I'm just buying into, hey, you're at Miami now. They're going to fix all the deficiencies here and amplify all of the strengths. 2005 at Missouri,

nine sacks, 56 total pressures, 13.5% pass rush win rate. He was a former top 50 recruit, depending on where you know, you look at the star rankings, he bounced between being a five and a four star. To your point about the weight, he just ends up

on the ground a little too much when it's a phone booth game. There's just no denying it. And that's because he's 240 in the arena of heavy weights. He's built like a speed rusher, but he really wants to win with power a lot. And I think he'd win a lot more if he just accepted who

he is. So I give him credit for trying because you have to do that to get to the NFL. But I also think sometimes it's like, dude, you're just so gifted as a speed rusher. You don't need to consistently reinforce power. And when pullers worked against them in the run game, it got ugly. Like it did. But the reason he's four for me with all those weaknesses, this guy is switched up and just furious off the ball with with active hands. The hands are unbelievable. I mean, like you watch when he's just allowed to go and Miami is going to unlock this. They are. This is a projection

pick from me. I think Damon Wilson is going to potentially blow up this year because of where he is. He's got a good feel for timing the snap and getting off the ball. So when he unlocks that or finds that, he's so twitchy and his hands

are so wild. It's overwhelming. It really, it's overwhelming. And that cross chop to win around the outside shoulder, the way he could chop down the outside hand and angle around the outside shoulder. It's a calling card win.

That's why I'm like, why are you just trying to bulrush here when you're so lethal with that outside speed? Run it until they stop it, is what they say. And I just wonder if Miami, one, helps them get a little stronger so the power rushes are more effective. But then they also go, dude, just do what you do. And you're going to win at a higher rate. There is, they have excellent pass rush coaching there, obviously.

and I think Trevor Damon Wilson's just in for a really big year because of it. Yeah, I think he's going to threaten the number one spot for sacks in the country this year. I am totally with you there. And there's a lot to like about this player. I think that when I watched him, not only did I see the fast hands the way that you saw it, he reportedly got over 34 inch arms. Like he's got long arms to go along with the fast hands. hands. I think that he already approaches the game from a very pro perspective. He's launching off

of the front foot. There's no false steps. You talk about how quickly he gets off the ball. I think the big difference in how we see this player is I think you believe he's a little bit better of an athlete than I do. Probably from a lateral agility standpoint. I've got some I've got some overall athleticism and overall flexibility questions with Damon Wilson that I think he makes up for with great hands, good length, fantastic technique that is only going to get even better and more consistent with Miami's defensive line coaching. So I think we're going to talk about this player as a technical assassin when we get to January and February. But just projecting it, here in August.

I think the combine's going to be huge for him. I think the combine could unlock Damon Wilson going as high as the first round, somewhere in the first round, or maybe he is comfortably sort of some sort of day two type of pick. I don't think it's going to get any lower than that

because I think the guy's just way too efficient to not draft high because he could get into the backfield with regularity. But I think the big question mark with me from the games that I watched is I'm a little bit more hesitant on who he is overall as an athlete. you mentioned why he tries to bull rush so much.

I think he tries to bull rush so much because he doesn't actually win with speed on the outside shoulder as much as he wants to. So we'll see. You know, like maybe they're going to get him. Maybe he'll get a little bit quicker. Maybe he'll get a little bit more explosive. There's only, I think, kind of so much that you could do in that category. But hey, maybe I'm also not seeing him exactly the way that I should.

So from the way that I watched him these, for the handful of games that I watch for this exercise, I saw a player who's absolutely going to play in the NFL, but I wonder where the ceiling is for him as an athlete. Yeah, it's really, really fair. I wonder what the time speed will be and, you know, the vertical. I definitely thought his ability of getting off the ball was based on timing rather than just being more explosive. But he times it well and he's got a really good pass rush IQ.

And he pairs that with always. launching off of that leaned loaded front quad. So there is just not a moment of wasted anything from him when he is getting out of his stance and trying to get past that offensive tackle. So I think it's easy to see the success in that because that's definitely there. Okay. So he was four for me. What was he for you?

He was eight for me. Eight for you. Okay. Talk about Matteo Younglee. So I have Mateo all the way at number three. I have Mateo at number three overall for me. He is a senior. into this year at Oregon.

Do you have his official measurements? Yes, 6.4 and a quarter, 266. Okay, so yeah, that's about, that's about what I thought that he was, that he was going to be. They've got him listed like 6.5, 270. I figured that he was going to be a little bit less than that with both height and weight.

But I think this is a really solid player. The name sounds familiar. Of course, it should. He's a brother of DJ Ui Ungolale. He was a four-star, edge defender, also played tight end in high school, almost came in as a tight-end recruit, I believe,

won both a state championship and a national championship in high school, attending St. John Bosco High School in California, played in 13 games in 2023 as a true freshman, started 11 games as sophomore in 2024, and then started all 15 games in 2025. He's got a legit frame to play at the NFL level. He could play as a 2-point and a 3-point rusher for you as a very versatile edge defender in that way. I think despite his weight being above 265, he's still very comfortable rushing from that outside linebacker position.

Good hand usage to constantly stack offensive tackles. And I think that he has got the overall strength profile to really be able to dictate whether it is contained, setting the edge, or whether it is power rushing against any offensive lineman, including guards anytime that he kicks inside or he hits an inside move or whether there's sort of a stunt or a game where it loops him around inside. He's got a decent amount of comfort and a decent amount of work as a spot dropping outside linebacker as well, which I think showcased his natural athleticism. It's a very high effort player, competitive toughness. I think it was just something that jumped out at the screen. You know, whether it was doing the dirty work, taking on pullers,

just grinding out a rep to get into the backfield and affect the quarterback in any way, shape, or form, whether it was double teams, a chip lock against him, whatever. his competitiveness to me constantly showed up and I think coaches are going to absolutely love that. I think he's good, I think he's a good athlete for his size, but I think he'll always kind of struggle to win consistently against the outside shoulder at the NFL level as a speed rusher. I think you'll be more of that sort of well-rounded type of an edge rusher rather than somebody who's always going to attack that outside shoulder. And, you know, sometimes teams like that outside linebacker type of pass rusher to really be more of a speed rusher.

So maybe you won't be for every type of. scheme in that regard. But other schemes like their outside linebackers to be heavier-handed guys. So I think it just kind of depends on the coach there. The bigger size comes with a little bit of lack of a bend and flexibility there to him. He can have some false steps out of his

rushes that I think need to get cleaned up a little bit but I think that's something that can slingshot into a positive. And for as big and as strong as he is, there are sometimes moments where I wish he was even a little bit more consistently violent in how he played. I think he needs to lean into his calling,

hard being really a strong type of player and sort of that strong defensive end or outside linebacker that's going to be able to use that physicality, that length, that density to be able to win and win with power in a variety of different ways. So this is, I think that with Uyungalai, maybe a little bit less of a floor than some of these other guys that we've talked about, but I think, or sorry, less of a ceiling, but I just think he's got such a high floor. Like I think that if Ui Ungalala came out of last year's class, I think he's a second rounder.

And I think the way that I look at him right now, I'm like, I think this is like an easy second rounder type of a player. Just because I think that there's just so many things that he does well. And I just think he's built like a pro. Definitely built like a pro. And I think he has the raw strength of a pro. You see that with the swipes, the bowl rushes, love the prototype build.

Because of the height, he also has really big strides that helped him. you know, he has 16 and a half sacks the last two years. So he's been able to convert pressures into sacks at a decent rate. The one thing I do worry about in terms of finishing plays, he missed a lot of tackles last year with bad breakdowns and balance. Like he'd be in the backfield and he just would lose his balance or he wouldn't break down the right way. And I wonder if that's because of how big he is

and that he is more on the average athlete kind of scale. Sure. that it can look that way at times. I like the variety in his past rush plan. He tries to mix it up with power and agility, and he's trying to work in a long arm. It's raw, but because of how strong he is,

it definitely has potential. I thought his run defense, though, was a bigger work in progress than his reputation. Like, the awareness, the first step, getting off of blocks in general for how strong he is, it was all to me still developing.

And I think, think that's part of the reason he might have went back if grades weren't as kind to him as he expected so he's somebody with plenty of talent as you alluded to Trevor the reason i have him at seven is maybe not the ceiling of the top guys but with his body type and strength he comfortably feels like an NFL player that is at minimum into a rotation of edge guys that's how i feel as well yeah and um i didn't i didn't notice the i didn't notice the lack of balance and the lack of run defense stuff with him. Maybe it's something I'll just keep an eye on.

It's kind of we get into the early parts of the season here. So I had him at three. You had him at seven. Man, who we miss it? Yeah, it's interesting how we're going to have, I don't think we're going to have a lot of different guys. We just haven't flipped around. Go six to one in your ranking.

Yeah, who you got? Six to one. Six was Yonsei Pierre from Alabama. Okay, I have him at five. There we go. John Henry Daley at five. Yeah, Michigan. Damon Wilson.

from Miami at four. Yep. Cleve Lubin at three. Oh, wow. Louisville's Cleve Lubin. Look at you. This is your R. Mason Thomas. This is your R. Mason Thomas right here.

Cleve Lubin, man. Because I had Cleve Lubin outside of my top 12. Wow. And you got him at three. This is exactly what happened last year with me and you with R. Mason Thomas. Yeah, because now I'm missing someone. Because I have Dylan's Stewart at two, South Carolina,

Colin Simmons from Texas at one. Did you watch Anthony Smith from Minnesota? Yeah, I didn't like him. Oh, dude, I loved him. Okay, so we have a really nice, is he three for you? Yeah, he's four for me, because Mateo is three.

Wow. Damn, you had you had Anthony Smith outside of the top 12? Yeah, dude. Maybe you're Satan scouting. Maybe I had. Okay, so, I get, Okay, we'll talk about Yonzebier. I think after we talk about these two guys.

Let's talk about Cleve Lubin first. You've got him at three, and I had him outside of my top 12. You talked about him a lot last year as somebody who could have potentially come out of last year's class. But talk to the people once again about Cleve Lubin. Yeah, well-traveled fella, basically from my backyard. I mean... Oh, there's the bias. Yeah.

Suffern in high school. I didn't go to Suffern, but generally from New York and North of... of the city. He started out at Army for a year, Iowa Western, then Coastal Carolina where he blew up. He had a really, really big year of Coastal Carolina. And then he goes to Louisville and he was a monster last year. For the tape is, this is a really interesting player because he's well-traveled. So he's going to be an older prospect, although I don't have a birthday for Cleve Lubin.

But just the, he's a red shirt senior. Just the fact that he's, you know, run his eligibility down to the wire. Yeah. He's 6.2 and a quarter, 267. So he's just, he is 267. Yeah, he is just very dense, very dense. All right, let's get into it. The frame has NFL muscle.

Like it's, and you know, he's been in college for a little bit, but he's, he's got NFL Hell muscle. Last year, when I talked about him being a monster, okay, eight and a half sacks, three force fumbles, he had 67 total pressures for a 24% pass rush win rate. That was 99th in college football, past rush win percentage. Like, he's winning at a rate that is as good as anyone. And that's because he's got a really good quick first step off the ball as a standup rusher.

He's got those active, furious hands. He'll work through blockers. He'll work around blockers. I talked about him being a production darling in terms of analytics. 99th percentile pass rush win rate, 24%. 88th percent aisle and miss tackle rate finishes all his plays. And this is something I loved about him when watching his tape. Seven games of six plus pressures.

There just wasn't a stretch. Like all these guys run hot and cold because they're college pass rushers. They're raw. He was pretty. consistent and he beat Blake Miller for a sack last year. He did, like clean. No, we don't know. We don't talk about it. Yeah. Don't let the news hide that from you. Do not let, do not let the mainstream media hide from you that Cleve Lubin beat Blake Miller for a sack last year. That's one rep. You don't see that B-roll played anywhere. That's one rap. Yep. So. Let's talk about my son,

Blake Miller like that. Yeah, well, this is my son, Cleve Louman. Pride in New York. When the hand fight begins. I think he's really good at getting off blocks. Now, some of the questions, the run defense effort is awesome, but he gets overwhelmed by blockers at times. He does. There's no denying that. Sure, he'll have played five years of college football

after he had one year of military academy prep school. So he was a high school senior in 2019. So he's going to be an older prospect. Like, that's going to be, is this our key messador this year? Damn, wait, is he played in, So he's going to be 25?

I don't know. I don't have a birthday. Yeah, but I'm just, if you were in high school with 2019, let's say you turn 18 when you're senior in high school, you're adding eight years to that. He's going to either be 24 or 25. Yeah, I mean, he might even be 26, but he's going to be one of the older prospects in this class.

Without a doubt. This is your Akeem Esdor. It's really, it's incredible. I finally found my key Mesa store. I'm happy for you, dude. It's a freeing feeling. He's a stand-up rusher with a wide array of moves that just leads to massive production,

plays with his hand on fire, he's got burst, Twitch, and he could shoot gaps. I really like this guy. I don't know. I don't think I'll be on an island, but it's a matter of, like, I might love this dude. He's not, he's three.

The two guys ahead him are, we're going to get their uniforms. Clearly, you love this dude. You got him. He's a good player, man. He really, really is. And I'm guessing a, went back because maybe the grades weren't great, but in terms of the tape and the production,

it's as good as anyone else's was last year. Yeah, I think that he probably goes back just because he's got to continue to prove to everybody that probably that the measurables don't matter for him, right? Because would you say he is like six foot two and a quarter, right? Yeah, six two and a quarter. I mean, that's, so that's 16th percentile for all edge rushers in the NFL. I think that he loses the length battle quite easily when it comes to his arm length. So I think that that's just an uphill climb for him when it comes to NFL teams really wanted to take a bet on a player who he probably thought, hey, my prediction is a lot better than the sixth, seventh, fifth, maybe round projection that you guys are giving me here. And I think that sort of to your point, when offensive tackles get their hands on him, he gets manipulated a little bit too easily.

Like whether that's from a pass-risk perspective or a run defense perspective. Here it is. David Walker. Oh, from Central Arkansas? Yeah. The better, he's like the, he's kind of, he's kind of the prestige version. Dave Walker's, the fourth round pick. He's about, he's about to cook this year. It sounds like he's back from the ACL.

Yeah, he's about to cook this year. Yeah. Now, look, look, if he is closer to David Walker, then yeah, I'm probably going to be a lot closer to where, I don't think I'll ever, I think I'm going to have this player at like a top five edge rusher. Right. as much as you. But I mean, yeah, I mean, if he's another David Walker. I mean, David Walker was, his tape was awesome.

And I'm really excited to see what he's going to be this year. Selfishly, as a Bucks fan, obviously, but also just somebody who really liked the tape that he put out there from Central Arkansas. So I just felt like he was really physically limited, Cleve Lubin. And when I watched him, I was like, this dude is such an ass kicker for college football. I don't know how much of this translates to the NFL. And I think that's where my big fear was with him. You notice how I called him Clev?

Yeah. His name's Clevmer. But that's not real. Yes, it is. That's not his full name. Clevmer Lubin. Clevma. Clemma Lubin.

Do you search it? Yeah, I had to. Anytime, if somebody tells you that somebody's name is Clemmer Lubin, I think the next thing that you logically have to do is immediately Google it. And Wikipedia. Clemmer Lubbin. Yep. I think the R is silent, I think. But yeah, no, I'm on the short and name basis. We welcome to William Helt to the show, but Cleve Lubin is a regular now.

I might have to repent. I got it all wrong. I might have to repent. Blame your analytics staff. I always do. That's the move. If you're a GM, it's literally just my dog. So, they don't know that.

He's still on the staff. No, I'd never blame my dog. All right, okay, you got him at three. I got him outside of the top 12. This is our Armason Thomas this year. Well, actually, I don't know. Maybe I have my own Armason Thomas with Anthony Smith, because you thought he was cheeks.

You think that he's an NFL Europe player. I did not think he's an NFL Europe player. I'm not going to lie. I did struggle with him as, and he's another guy, I feel like I've been watching for a really long time. So he's a red shirt senior this year at Minnesota. He is listed, do you have his official measurements? What do you got?

Yes, I'll tell you in a second. Because he's redshirt senior, so I think he's, he's gigantic. Yeah. I'm just seeing if these are verified. Because they got them listed at 6'6.2.85 pounds. 6.6.279. Yeah, there it is. Okay. I mean, this dude is large.

Four star, four star edge rusher. Also through the shot put and the discus while he was a standout basketball player. Don't have the stats. You got the discus numbers? You got the shot put distance, or did he just show up to track practice? Yeah, he broke the record by Julius Caesar back in ancient Rome. Did Julius Caesar actually compete? Or did he just watch?

No, the first time he had to compete, he got stabbed a bunch. Didn't work out for him. You know, it's kind of, I don't know what adjective to use here. I went my wife and I went to Rome for the first time this summer and the spot it Rome is amazing if you've ever been everybody like people who have men know this but like people who haven't it's just you're walking around a modern city and then she's like oh yeah that's there from 3,000 years ago. And it's just kind of crazy and the part of the city where Julius Caesar was assassinated is now a cat sanctuary and it's literally just like the ruins of like the city. that part of like the ancient Roman city. But it's like walled off and just a bunch of cats. Does someone like oversee the cats or they,

they kind of self-governed? Yeah, they kind of just self-governed. Yeah, that's like fascinating. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's a little, they have like a little museum thing that's down there, but like the cat's just like chilling. Like in the exact spot that one of the most famous things in all of human history happened, there's just like a cat, just chilling there now.

Wow, cat society. It's kind of crazy. They overran Seasersland. They really did. So Anthony Smith, speaking to cats, Anthony Smith, he redshirted in 2022, played in all 13 games in 2023, started three games in 2024,

started all 13 games last year. So he was a late bloomer when it comes to starting. But late bloomer, be damned. I think the flowers are there now. I mean, he carries 280 incredibly well. I think he, I think he, is an athlete at 6'4-280 pounds. And I think the NFL is absolutely going to love that.

I think the hands are up and quick, whether he is swiping, whether he is stacking and shedding, he'll hit you with chops, he'll hit you with rips. I thought the hand usage was much better than I expected it to be for a player who is of his size and can win with power the way that he does. The bull rush is extremely effective, even with one arm. And it's not just because of the upper body strength, it's the lower body strength as well. He is able to sort of lock out that long arm and then just get you on a sled with how strong his lower body is. He can get low and he can win with leverage despite being six foot six.

His whole presence commands double team so you see him be able to open things up for the rest of the defense as well. It's a very strong player whether I already talked about the lower body but the upper body as well. So even if he doesn't win with leverage, I think he has a chance to win with regularity, which I felt like he did last year. It's tougher for him to maintain the pad level at his size and his height. But he doesn't have the best first step in flexibility, but you wouldn't expect that for a player who is 6'6, 280 pounds. I think he moves really well as a natural athlete for a player who is of that size.

And I just felt like the hands, especially with him starting to refine, winning with finesse just as much as power. I just love the combination that he brings to the table. I am willing to bet on a player who is physically imposing even for NFL standards. I mean, that's 93rd percentile in height, 91st percentile in weight. And when you could move as naturally as he does with 90 plus percentile height and weight and then arm length on top of that man, this is a player who can play on my NFL team. I think that he's got a lot of versatility along the defensive line.

I'm a big fan of Anthony Smith. It's nice that we have reincarnated our David Bailey, R. Mason Thomas. Yes. It is. It's great for the show. It's why people watch. There's too much agreeing. I've often checked this.

I would probably bet today that neither of these guys even go as high as R. Mason Thomas. But we'll see. Armason went 40s, right? I think Andy Smith's going higher in the 40s. Okay. I mean, with his size and his takeoff in. production last year, I would be floored. Yeah, R. Mason went 40th.

We'll see. Hey, it's a good pick spot. Hey, I'll tell you, who's going top 40? Yeah, go ahead. Is the next two guys? Yeah, go ahead. Dude, I, uh, did you, wait, sorry, did you read your sixth? Oh, I don't know if I did.

I don't know who you have at one. Six is, uh, Bobakar Trieri from Notre Dame. Five is Yonzee. Yeah, we skip Yonzee. Um, four, Anthony. Smith from Minnesota, three, Matteo Uiunglouet from Oregon, two, I have Colin Simmons, and number one I have doing it.

I knew it. Yeah. I knew it. Just wait. Just wait. Just wait, just wait, brother. Yonza Pierre. Let's talk about him really quick because I don't want to, I don't want to disrespect a very talented player. So Pierre is a redshirt junior this year at Alabama. Do you have his official measurements? Alabama's got

in listed 6.3-253. I was just Googling them. Which is, the weight is up a lot, I think, from the previous year. This is a weird one. I have 6-3-244, but I wonder if Alabama's actually more recent. Yeah, I think it would be. I think so, too. I think it would be. He was a five-star recruit coming out of the state of Alabama. Redshirt his first year, played in 11 games of 2024. Then he started 12 of 15 games last season. He is the cousin of former Alabama linebacker Courtney Upshaw. Wow. Yeah, yeah, fun fact there. That is fun. I had a great time.

I think that this is a player who there's a lot of development needed for Yonse Pierre, but there's a lot to develop that off of. Like it's a ball of clay type of situation. Ideal size, length combination to play as a stand-up outside linebacker. I think he's a really explosive athlete. I think he's fluid in some instances as well. Not always, but I think that there are moments where I just go like, whoa, how did you bend or change direction like that at your size, especially if the size is over 250 pounds now.

Really good body control, good fluidity for cross-face moves when we've seen it from him. Inside moves as well. He's developing those inside counters. He's got rush versatility to play on the left and the right side. I saw him as a rusher on either side of the line of scrimmage.

I just didn't feel like he had a great passers plan outside of bull rushing and then kind of figuring in and out from there. And I think the anticipation overall just needs to take a step up in 2025. I felt like he was still reacting a little bit too much instead of knowing exactly where the ball was going, knowing how he could get the upper hand in the mental chess match between you and the offensive lineman. But a very physically gifted player, he reminds me of, and this player hasn't exactly panned out yet, but he reminds me of kind of how I thought of Chris Braswell when Braswell

was at Alabama, a player who had good size, good length, good explosiveness. It just, you got to take that next step with football IQ and pass rush IQ and really be able to win in that way as well. and I hope we get that from Pierre because I do think that he brings a lot to the table. He's just got to become a more well-rounded, I think, mental pass-risher and defensive lineman as much as he is a really good physical one right now. I completely agree with you. This is somebody that has the tools for a much bigger projection in a couple of months.

What did you think of the off-ball stuff? Like, he does a plenty of just traditional linebacker. That's the thing. I just think he's a really good athlete. His movement is nice. I loved watching him play against the run. I mean, the synopsis I wrote down after all the strengths and weaknesses was he's a versatile front seven defender that rushes the passer as a traditional edge player, but also plays stand-up linebacker. Pierre is raw and unbalanced as a pass rusher, but he's tough and determined, especially against the run.

He's quick off the ball. He rushes very, very low to the ground. He hasn't unlocked the hands consistently because of placement, but they're forceful. Like if they hit the right spot by accident It's like oh shit, okay I agree I think once again I can't emphasize enough

How hard and tough he plays against the run In different alignments The one thing Trevor And you alluded to this In terms of development And being raw It's frustrating that his outside speed Which is good

Get stalled by length Like he'd get good takeoff And try to rush around the corner And a tackle with long arms Just stalled it out See and that's where you got I just dip the short shoulder, give me the rip move, clear the hands.

And I just want to see more of that from him. So I think we're pretty high on the sky, considering where he is currently at in his college football career. Yeah, I'd love for him to go down sort of like the Josh sweat path. You know, like with that, now sweat was bigger than him. But like I kind of, I kind of sort of, I would love for him to like go down that path because I think he's,

I think he sort of got that potential that I felt like sweat had when he was coming out of Florida State. And obviously it's panned out pretty well for him. him in the NFL. So to our top two guys, the cream of the crop, the Cremdala Crem, the two guys that will absolutely be picked within the top 10, it's just a matter of how high these guys are going to get picked. You have Simmons.

Simmons at one. And I have Dylan Stewart at number one. Why don't you talk about Colin Simmons and then I'll talk about Dylan Stewart. Colin Simmons, 6355. From Texas. Junior at Texas. Coming off a year with 12 sacks, 61 total pressures,

three force fumbles, a 21.5% pass rush win rate was a 95th percentometric. Quick off the ball, flexible, creates great rush angles in all caps,

plays fast. Twitchy, bendy, tremendous production. And this is after his true freshman and sophomore season. Those two, the true freshman and sophomore seasons combined, he's got 21 total sacks, almost 30 tackles for a loss. He's four, six fumbles. He's got that Euro step.

He's so good at crossing the face of tackles. It's lethal. I mean, he can kind of stutter or stick his foot in the ground with a jab step and then set them up where they're like, this guy's so freaky. I got to overreact and then he crosses your face. When he sees it right against the run, and that's why he is almost 30 tackles. for a loss last two years, it's havoc. Like, he's in the backfield. He could shoot the gap.

He's behind the line of scrimmage before anybody else knows what's going on. The only nitpicking thing I wrote down was his run defense technique is high variance. And what I mean by that is it'll lead to him overshooting plays or lacking gap integrity, but it'll also lead to explosive plays. But as a pass rush here,

assuming this guy continues to get bigger and stronger, and he's 6-3-255 now. His unique movement ability, agility, speed, explosiveness, bendiness, twitchiness, you said it. He's a top 10 pick. I think he's a top 5 pick. I was sitting there like, man, would he have gone second in the draft over David Bailey? I don't know because I don't want to get...

Would Colin Simmons have? Yeah, I think so. I think it's a really interesting combo. Yeah. It was that kind of tape where I sat there. This guy's doing this in his true sophomore year. I mean, are you kidding me? So, yeah, it's all the traits and the production.

And he's young. I'm not calling him Miles Garrett, you know, Nick Bosa, whatever it is. But this is the type of prospect in summer scouting that checks every box. He's really young. He's loaded. He's dripping with traits. and he's already been really productive at a big time program. He could be special, special.

I agree with so much of what you said. I mean, there's so much to like about Colin Simmons. I think his arms feel like they're a little bit on the shorter side. And because of that, I think he gets locked up a little bit easier than what you would expect from some of the flashes that you've seen from him. But if you, I mean, if he works on really becoming just a black belt karate master with how he uses his hands, right? If he keeps himself clean more often,

the strength, the effort, the leverage, the everything from him is going to win so much more often than it's not. You mentioned just the passers win percentage that he has and the percentile in which he wins as a pass rusher. That's all there. I wonder if this is just more of like

the, sort of like the apex predator type of player, right, that we've had with like Jalen Walker and Arvill Reese and like guys like that where it's like, is this guy just going to kind of roam around the front seven? And is that really what he's because I think he can. I think he can give that as a player.

I think I saw it. I think it was Nate Tice who was like talking about that as well. Like Colin Simmons potential is like sort of more of this just versatile front seven defender as opposed to just looking at him as purely like an edge direction, which I think will be as home. And I like Colin Simmons. I like Colin Simmons certainly going into the year more than I like either of those other two guys that I mentioned, and both of those guys were picked very, very, very high.

So I think that Simmons is just somebody who, it's going to, he's going to get picked in the top 10. It's just a matter of where. And I think there's, there's a, I think there's a little bit of physical deficiencies with him. If you're saying like, okay, full time edge rusher, like, there's going to be times where maybe he'll get stalled against an offensive attack who's got longer hands than him. If the speed to power kind of stalls out a little bit, does he have the length and does he have the ability to really get off the blocks? And, and what is the arm length for him. I think those are things you just think about, but that's nitpicking a player who is just unbelievably talented and has the ability to be a high-impact player for really any defense it feels

with Colin Simmons. But the beauty of this is that we have a second guy. Dude, Dylan Stewart shouldn't be allowed. Dylan Stewart should be illegal. This prospect is in San Francisco. So I, I've been scouting very amateurly for a long time, truly like going back to high school. I used to do like rankings and mock drafts and all that kinds of stuff. I really didn't start doing like the rankings thing until like 2014. And I really didn't start actually taking what I thought of players and sort of putting it into like a numerical scouting, like actual like number with like, oh, like this is the overall grade that I'm giving this player. this is a round grade. I'm giving this player type of thing. I didn't really do that until

we started TDN like in 2018, 2019 type of a thing. So there are edge rushers mainly like Miles Garrett that like I didn't actually like have these numbers for. But this is the highest summer scouting grade I've ever given a player is Dylan Stewart. A player? Any position. Wow. Any position. I think this is one of the most.

You like him more than Jeremiah Smith in this class. I have as a summer grade I have I have Dylan Stewart very, very very. slightly above Jeremiah Smith. That's a big take. I do not, but that's a big take. And I can understand what people are going to say sort of like what the negatives are about Dylan Stewart. I totally understand.

The frame is long. It's lean. He still needs more muscle on it. He needs more durability. He needs more balance. Like all of these things, the stamina could potentially be an issue for him. Like he has the high pressure rate, but he has a lower sack rate.

So like being a finisher, like I saw him slipping and on the ground too much. these are all things that I have noted in the negatives. But the positives of who this guy is is a pass rusher, Connor, I'm serious about it. He could be the best defensive player in the NFL. The way that Colin, the way that Dylan Stewart moves is so rare to me. It is.

It is so rare. Twitch, bend, flexibility, explosiveness. It's all elite, in my opinion. Like, it's not just like, oh, it's okay. he has all these things he's ever read. It's all elite from him. The first step is nuts. And even if he has a false step,

he's putting offensive tackles in hell. They're pissing themselves before the game even begins when they watch this guy warm up. He has incredible hip flexibility to be able to not only get off the ball, get even with offensive tackles, but when he gets past their shoulder,

the ability to just corner and then just get straight to the quarterback is sick for a guy who is 6 foot 5. He's got the height, the length, the everything. Normally when you see guys who have that ability to bend the edge like that, we're talking about somebody who's a lot closer to 6-3, 6.6, 4, not the length that this kind of player has. He is a former 5-star recruit. I mean, he was the number one recruit in his recruiting class.

I believe he had 16 sacks his senior season and a state championship. He started 11 games, a true freshman. He was a unanimous freshman. freshman All-American, started 11 games last year, although he missed a couple due to a hip injury. But I just, when I think about players, like, it's him and Jeremiah Smith. Like, the separation between them is very, very small. But when I look at Dylan Stewart, I just think that this is a rare, rare football player that could actually be the best defensive player in the NFL. If he puts on a little bit more weight, if he stays durable, and if he continues to develop from

what we saw from just a freshman and sophomore seasons going into this year. I think this guy's got about as high as the ceiling as any prospect I've watched over the last 10 years. The ceiling is insane. He looks like a small forward on a college football field. I love the light feet, the stutter steps. It tackles guests a lot against him. All of his passers moves aren't polished, but he tries a lot of them. I know.

And I love, like, when you're that kind of athlete and gifted mover and long, you can just go out there and out athlete everybody. But he really is working on different moves that gives him a special trajectory, the lower half flexibility. You said all those things. I love how he uses his athleticism to stay off blocks in the run game. He's very hard to block in the run game because of how he keeps himself off blocks. Some little things, the pass rush production in terms of win rate is still. middle of the pack. So he's still polishing those moves.

He does need more, for a back, a lack of a better phrase, sand in the pants. He definitely does. Like, did you see it against Blake Miller? Now we're complimenting Blake Miller. He,

so I, I was actually at that game. Okay. His hip was bad in that game. That's like, he was not healthy in that game. Because when I watched him, I was like,

Blake Miller's been starting a tackle for four years and is very strong. and Dylan Stewart is still a very young, growing player. And it just looked like a guy with borderline NFL strength versus a guy that is a younger college football player. And I think that Blake Miller out-I-kewed him definitely in that game, but Stewart was not, he was not healthy for that game. So I want to see him get more mass in his lower half, and he will and stronger and increase the amount of wins he has

from being an average win-rache. He's an elite athlete and gifted player with average production, can you start to polish some of those things into elite production? And without the elite production, he's still going to be a top 10 player for me and my rankings this summer. And I think that that's sort of where I'm at is when I say that this has, this player has the highest numerical grade I've ever given someone,

it is with the mindset that what I've watched from him is as an 18 and 19 year. That matters a lot. And that was my thought with Colin Simmons. And I'm and I'm baking. in like I like Jeremiah Smith kind of I mean not that he can't get better but I mean like the dude's unbelievable now like we've already seen it from him I think that Dylan Stewart even can get even better than what we have seen and I just maybe I'm sipping the Kool-Aid a little bit too much with him but from what I have seen I just even even the flashes of Dylan Stewart I go there's just

not many players that I just not ever seen do what you are doing and if you can gain a little bit more weight, get a little bit stronger, make sure that you are durable, have the stamina up the right way. Like all of this stuff is sort of like up to Dylan Stewart, right? Like if he is up to the challenge, I genuinely believe he could be one of the best defensive players in the NFL. And we'll see how that's going to manifest this upcoming season. And I'm excited to see a lot of these guys, you know, Stuart Simmons and a lot of these other guys develop.

Me too. They still have so much to tap into. And they're already ranked this highly. which makes it a lot of fun. I would describe this class as I had two blue chippers at the top and then some intriguing guys underneath and then the end of this top 12 was like, eh. So not the deepest group,

but I'll take the two blue chippers at the top and you're going to go to bat for Smith, I'm going to go to bat for Lubin, Clevmer. Clemma. Clevma. So, yeah, it's going to be a fun group. Dude, it is. We would love to hear from.

from you guys. We love to hear your opinions on what we have said about this edge rush class. And if you got opinions on the edge rush class as well, if you got an early ranking, fire them off of the comments. We would love to see it. And obviously, we'll see some of the comments. You know, I don't, can see the chats after the show. I don't know if we can see that after the show. Usually you can click on the live. Usually. We got the Discord as well. Make sure you guys join the NFLSD Discord. We're having a lot of fun, target prospects and basically everything else. The link to that will be in the description of the show. It is at this time that I just remembered that If you are not subscribed to the program, we would love for you to be.

Our producer is going to absolutely furious the fact that I didn't mention that early in the show. Maybe he could edit one in. Yeah, maybe he could edit one in. Since this, he's, I don't know if you've heard, guys. He's better. He's pretty decent at this thing. He's better than good. He's a Michelin star.

He's going for that third star this year, and I think he's going to earn it. But we would probably be working for, like, NASA, but instead he's doing our show. I'm serious. Far more important things that we have going on in society. like the show. We love to hear from you guys whatever you think of this edge rush group. Like we mentioned tomorrow,

so on Friday, because I believe this is coming out on Thursday. Hopefully it's still coming out on Thursday. But whenever it is, Friday, we're going live with the tight end rankings as well. We're going to talk about this tight end class. Handful of interesting names in the tight end class. Maybe not the most star-studded one,

but I think there's a couple of guys at the very top that are very, very intriguing to talk about for the upcoming draft class. Cornerbacks coming up next week. we'll get the cornerbacks, we'll get the defensive tackles as well, and then we'll try to get to every single position that we possibly can before the kickoff of the college football season. Connor, anything else?

No, I do miss the chat. I know, I know. I'm very excited for their return of the chat. I don't know if you are. They're probably going to screenshot all the stuff that, all the crap that they were talking about of us. Yeah, I'll miss the chat for one more day until I actually see the chat, interact with the chat, and they're roasting us.

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