NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 2027 NFL Draft OT Rankings (SUMMER SCOUTING!)

Episode Date: August 24, 2026

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their Top 8 Offensive Tackles in the 2027 NFL Draft. OT Summer Scouting! A huge thanks to our sponsor, Franchise Football League, for supporting today's show! Download the app or play on the web! https://www.franchiseleaguefootball.com/ Save 50% on Franchise League Football with code 'MBFL'! Supporting them supports us. Thanks guys! :) Here's more about Franchise Fantasy League: Everything You Hate About Fantasy Football, Fixed. You won your league last year. Congrats. Then August rolled around and... you started completely over. New draft, new roster, none of what you built survives. Where's the reward for all that work? Every fan has screamed at their team's GM at least once - bad contract, botched pick, letting the wrong guy walk. You've thought it: I could do that better. Franchise League Football is where you get to prove it. It's a contract-based keeper platform with a real salary cap. You inherit a franchise with existing contracts from day one - evaluating deals, hunting waiver-wire bargains, deciding who stays and who hits free agency. Blind-bid auctions set salaries. Multi-year contracts carry real weight. You can even draft college players before they declare, stashing future stars on minimum deals. Add automatic injury substitution, round robin playoffs, and weekly giveaways for high scores, and it's clear why FSGA named it Best Startup Product Experience. Built by MIT engineers. Rewards decision-making, not the luck of a random draft order. Use code MBFL50 to save 50%. Get started at FranchiseLeagueFootball.com or download the app.   Huge thanks to Amazon Fire TV Stick for supporting today's show as well! Keep up with highlights and game recaps on Fire TV including the latest from Fantasy Life. Watch instantly with no downloads, or sign-ups, or fees, free on Fire TV.   Subscribe to our YouTube Channel and help us get to 75k subs! It's 100% free and helps us out a bunch. Thanks! WE HAVE A DISCORD!!!!! JOIN HERE! https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW?feature=description if the link doesn't work for you, just search 'NFLStockExchange' on discord and it'll pop up 0:00 Intro 7:54 Ranking Reveal / Football Starts Here 9:48 Jordan Seaton, LSU 19:15 Trevor Lauck, Iowa 25:57 Elijah Paige, USC 32:54 Drew Azzopardi, Washington 34:58 Lance Heard, Kentucky 38:53 Braden Zimmer, Montana State 43:47 Sponsor - Franchise League Football 1:00:58 Cayden Green, Missouri 1:06:21 Jacarrius Peak, South Carolina 1:12:15 Desmeal Leigh, Youngstown State 1:19:12 PJ Williams, SMU 1:23:20 Niki Prongos, Stanford - The Amazon Fire TV Stick Can't Miss Prospect of the Week 1:28:41 Trevor Goosby, Texas 1:33:44 Rankings Recap 1:35:02 Outro Follow us on X: https://x.com/NFLSEshow https://x.com/TampaBayTre https://x.com/ConnorJRogers We appreciate each and every one of you ADDICTS :) For business or other inquiries, reach us at [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Peter said first-time comments or long-time listener greetings from Italy. Wow. Peter, actually posting up from Italy? Peter, if you're in Rome, go to Dar-Bruton. Trevor, thank you, Trevor. Peter said I'm currently in Capri. So I was yelled at for this. It's pronounced Capri.

All right. I was yelled at for this. You could have texted me. Hey man, it's pronounced Capri, not Capri. It's just the same word twice. Can't wait to hand my son his first Capri's son. To the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Show, Trevor Sickenman, Connor Rogers,

with you guys for another summer scouting ranking episode of the program. Today we're talking offensive tackles. Or are we, Connor? Because there's a lot of guys on the top offensive tackle list that, But, well, let's just say, I don't know if they're going to be playing tackle the NFL level. So we're going to talk about all that. We're going to give you our top eight rankings for the 2027 NFL draft and a whole lot of other shenanigans. Connor how you doing, my friend.

Pronunciation mugged on the show last week. Yeah. Yeah. Really brutal. I had to do. I hated to do it to you. I know. I could tell it really hurt and cut you down.

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We just recorded our first intro episode to the channel, which will be coming out later this week. But just really quick, thank you, everybody. I mean, just last Wednesday is when we officially got to announce that this was happening. and that I was going over to NFL media full-time. And the response, especially from the addicts, overwhelming, humbling, the feeling of gratitude, it's all of those things. And I did a little video when the news dropped last week. And so many of you guys commented on it. And I just thank you, honestly, for the bottom of my heart.

It was really cool. I think the top comment is I'm a 29-year-old male and I've never felt like a proud mother more. my entire life. And like, genuinely, I hope that you all feel a little bit that way because this is definitely something that I hope you guys are going on this journey with me and all the cool things that us here on this channel are now going to get to do because we got some NFL access with us and some access system and GS data that we didn't have previously. So I'm just, I'm really, really excited about it. Thank you guys so much for being excited with me. I can't wait to get it going. So thank you guys. Thank you.

Just one nitpick, if I shall. A real missed opportunity by your graphic design department to not do the Kevin Durant my next chapter. But you photoshopped and the NFL pro logo with you. Are you going to, by the way,

are you going to do the old school NFL network insider new Abby? Like you in front of the logo? What do you think? Rap sheet still has his. He does still have his yeah and technically he's an ESPN employee now so somebody's got to update that one for him I think you should I think you should but like a little I don't think I should like not just

you in the NFL logo it needs something else with it so people know you're kind of joking but you're kind of not you know what I you know why I don't want to do it because it's actually more synonymous with fake accounts than it actually is real accounts it's a meme thing yeah yeah yeah all right Fair enough. But you're on to something with the Kevin Durant graphic. Yeah, my next chapter. NFL pro. I might need to talk to somebody about that.

I'm going to work for The League. The League. We're a beanie every single day in my life, despite living in a warm climate. Being Rob Lowe. That actually would be really good. If you just wore NFL logo merch only. Like the two jerseys behind you are just NFL

generic jerseys. Well, like, like the Pro Bowl jerseys or literally just even more generic than that, you're saying. The name tag just says NFL. Or do you want to AFC one NFC? Yeah, AMC and NFC. Just a fan of the league.

That could actually work out. Yeah. Who are you a fan of? I'm a greater fan of the game. Just care about the league. I can't root for anybody. even if I can't root for any team now. Even if that team, you know, did take Rubid Bay number 15 overall.

Like, I couldn't do it. I just got, I couldn't do it. Oh, man. Speaking of the people that'll have to block them potentially one day. The tackle class. That was good. That was good. You like that?

That's the transition in the big biz. No, you're a problem. I'm just warming up for Big 10 Saturdays. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude. Okay. Just warm up.

Hold on here. You've got new responsibilities. this year too, don't you? Yes. Sims and I will be live every weekday at 11 a.m. Eastern Time at NBC. There you go.

Which is really fun for me getting back into the daily NFL show format. I did fantasy the last four years which was awesome with the godfather himself, Matthew Barry. And Big Ten Saturdays, that's not changing. I'll still be on that show

every Saturday, Jets every Sunday. And you and I do plenty of NFL but we have a very different way of covering the NFL. I oddly enough really miss the Monday morning. I want to talk about every game for two hours. So I'm really happy to get that back. Yeah, yeah. And Sims is a great podcast partner to be able to just go full chaotic with it.

Because I could absolutely see. Dude, I could absolutely see you and Sims just like creating the whole rundown. And then he introses the show and he's like, you know what? Never mind. I want to talk about this game first. And the people behind the scenes are like, all right, cool. But he just goes wax poetic about it. So I could see that being a Sims approach to the show, but that's why he's also extremely entertaining.

And that's what makes it fun. Why I love working with both of you guys is that when it goes off the rails, it naturally goes off the rails in the most like press the C4 button way. And let's see what happens. We'll clean up the mess after. All right. Let's talk about offensive tackles. So this is, um, this. this is always a great episode to get to

for summer scouting specifically because of sort of what I said to intro this episode where you myself included will read a lot of like lists of like oh these are the top offensive tackles that we think could be in the 2027 draft or whatever and then you turn on the tape and you go don't think this guy's going to play tackle at the NFL level

and a lot of them probably do play tackle in college so I think that this whole episode is going to be A big explanation for what makes an NFL tackle, why we see a guy maybe transitioning from tackle if he played there for many years in college. Why do you kick him inside? Do you kick him inside to guard? You kick him inside to center.

Because I think these are also very different projections as well. But let's reveal five through eight here and see what kind of similarities we might have. Bang, bang. What's wrong? You got Jordan Seaton at six? Yeah. Six.

If you watch the man move? Yeah. I wish he could run block, but sure. If we were playing three on three basketball, he'd be my number one offensive tackle. Well, guess what, buddy? We are. We're starting that conversation right now because I don't care. I don't care, Tyler.

Reveal the list. Reveal the next one. Oh, he's pressing the whole button. Do it. I'm blowing up the whole show. Do it. Go ahead. Jordan Seaton's at one for me.

Oh my God. All right. I actually find that not really crazy. I'm more surprised about Elijah Page at four than Jordan Seaton and one. Like when people have Jordan Seaton at one, I totally get it because Jordan Seaton is, I guess we just start with him. Like why not? We have to do the Oono reverse card of the show. Yeah.

I already unpinned a grenade into whatever Tyler had planned for the graphics of this show. So we might as well just get right to Jordan Cian. he's the young tackle prospect that has transformed his body, by the way, that he has gifts that just not a lot of offensive tackles at any level of football have. That if you're a coach, you're like, he can do all of this in pass pro already. Oh my God, I don't ever get to start with this kind of baseline. Imagine when we get the run game to average, because he could be the best pass blocker in the league. I get all of that.

I just, I wasn't ready to project him there from what he is now a year ahead. Could he be my top tackle before the draft that wouldn't be shocked at all? But I'll get through after you kind of, you know, wax poetic about him. Some of my current concerns and why I didn't, I couldn't put him in my top five yet. So really quickly, Bryce, Henry in the chat says Trevor hates the run. My profile picture has never been more accurate. And it is quite literally a profile picture of my. face and it says air raid boy over top of it with a x's and o's diagram of fourverts that's

really good Bryce that is I actually would like one of those shirts I please dude I would like one of those shirts narcissistically I that is air raid boy I've been owned I've been owned I've been owned maybe not per not yet perhaps no I don't think I have. Jordan Seaton. So he is at LSU now. We're going back to actually set the table for him. Jordan,

he's at LSU now. He's a true junior going into this season. So he's listed six foot five, 307 pounds now that he is at LSU. I believe he was listed like 325, 330 or something like that. And his spring weight, he was all the way down to 302.

Okay. So, man, that's. Which I'm like, okay, we need to be careful how far we take this. Yeah, so was Colorado, was Colorado lion or what? What? That's a big fluctuation for an offensive tackle. But anyways, he was a former five-star offensive tackle, one of the top offensive tackles in the country. Played both guard and he played tackle when he was in high school. Committed to Colorado, started all 13 games, his true freshman

season, and he started nine games last year before he missed three due to injury. Transters over to LSU, so now he's going to be over at LSU. Look, I totally understand what you're saying, and I get it with the run blocking. I do agree with you. The run blocking overall has to be better. And I think that there's, along with the run blocking part of it, he does play extremely fast, but he needs to learn how to play more in control while also playing fast.

And I think that that's a big reason, especially in the power run game, why you see like a lower run blocking grade there for him, is because I think that he'll sometimes overrun his guys a little bit or he'll just be really quick to climb or get to a certain spot. And he's not really, he's not like reading the guy that he needs to block as much. And for that, I think there's, you know, like a lack of leverage, a lack of contain. Like there's, there's a lot of things that could get better for him.

All of that to say, it is, it is a power player's game at the NFL level. There's no doubt about it. But you got to be a powerful athlete. And this is one of the best athlete offensive tackles I've, ever seen. How this guy gets off the ball, how he moves, how fast his hands are, how fast his feet are, everything about this player is pretty crazy. The strengths that I have in the strengths category for him, truly rare athlete for an NFL offensive lineman, explosive and balance are both elite, even considering if he might be a little bit undersized, but if Colorado

item at 3.30, he certainly wasn't undersized in the tape that we were watching. footwork is as balanced and as fast as it gets. Hands are inconsistent, but man, they move quick. And you really start to teach him exactly where to place it and exactly how to reset his hands. That's going to be fantastic for him. I think he's got a very natural ability to sink his hips, sink his pad level, get low in his stance,

whether it's in pass protection or in run blocking as well. There is a projection for Jordan Seton. No question about it. But you talk about a guy going from his sophomore more year now into his junior year, I'm pretty in on this player, very clearly with me having him number one in my offensive tackle rankings. I wasn't super impressed with a lot of the tackles that we have to grade right now in 2027. And so with that being said, I looked at Jordan Seton. I was like, dude, if I'm picking anybody, if I'm picking anybody in the first round at offensive

tackle right now, I'm picking Jordan Seton. And I'm hoping that the strength and the run blocking and everything kind of comes as the age kind of comes with him. But to me, the tools of who he is and how he moves at offensive tackle, it's just too rare to pass up. So that's why I got him at one. Yeah, this is a good time to open the door of the other part of this conversation is guys I went into watching that obviously have a lot of praise and are really heralded like Carter Smith from Indiana.

I just ended up moving him to the interior offensive line. I have the center. I've said after the last two years. I love that. I think he's a center. I think he's an excellent center. I think he's a center. Great ball player.

Yes. You know, I think he's going to be viewed that way at the NFL level. We've said this about Saravild at Ohio State forever. He had to move to tackle it felt like. But what he can be at guard is just such a bigger ceiling. Another player I really, really like that you're not going to hear about today, no matter where he ends up playing again at this college season, because I think teams are going to really like his ceiling at guard.

So him and Carter Smith, you're not going to. going to hear about today. Caden Green we showed that'll be an interesting conversation because I think the argument is really close between where he's going to be. But with Seton and a couple other guys on this list, like you don't have those questions. You believe that you watch them and you see tackle traits, tackle movement, maybe a obviously a tackle build. The number one thing I wrote down with him was he's just not going to get beaten off the

ball with his lower half explosiveness. Never. Which is such a great. baseline to have in your game. Like if you have that out of the gate, you're in a position to kind of dictate the rep. But in the run game, well, actually, let me stay with the passborough, because I did,

considering how good he is in passborough, I still had things I was picking at. One, he, and he's a young player, he's very raw in processing any kind of overload pressure or passing off a stunt. Like, there was guys in this class that were just a lot more polished in that area.

And he looked a little kind of, overwhelmed at times by the assignments. I think his striking power and precision and timing is all still a work in progress. And that brings you to the run game. There's just not a lot of strength, pop, and technique. He's a great athlete. He could beat anybody to the spot. You could have him pull.

You could have him climb, cut off, all those things because he's so athletic. But when it comes time in a phone booth, you know, to just sustain or really engage, forget sustaining. I'm talking about point A, not point B, C, or D. It's just not, it's just not there yet. The hand strength, the grip strength, the timing. And I hope he makes a huge jump at LSU as a run blocker as he gets stronger and he's really changed his body. He has a really good chance to do that with some different coaching as well. But that was my big reason of why I just wasn't as excited about him yet as I think a lot of people understandably like yourself will be. Yeah, I don't disagree that technically there's a lot of things that he needs to work on.

I just think that there are there are trump cards that you can have at certain positions and the movement skills that he has. To me, I identify as a trump card. So going into a junior season, right? I think that there is so much more room for him to grow in that technique, in that strength, into his body, whatever the comfortable weight is for him to still be fast, yet get that power at contact and all that kinds of stuff. I just, I think the ceiling is too high for him. I especially in an offensive tackle class where again I was I was underwhelmed at the top this is the player in my opinion who has the chance to be a swing for the fences um

franchise caliber type of tackle it feels way early to say those words so I was I was like reluctant to say that but he at least presents that ceiling to me whereas I don't know if I saw the ceiling in that many other players all right let's go back to the rankings because there's definitely some notable differences here one you don't even have Trevor Lauk on your list. I think he's a guard. Wow, I did not. Yeah, I think he's a guard.

Okay. I think Iowa guys, it's, I always get worried about that before I ever watch the tape because they do that so often. But I remember back in the day, people before his final season were looking at Worf's wondering what he was going to play. But I think he'll stick to tackle. I think he could stick a tackle. We can go back to that one if you want to work our way from the bottom up.

It depends how you... No, no, no, let's... I guess we could just touch on him. It's fine. We're bouncing around a lot on this show. Our watch time will just be... No, actually, you guys owe us watching the entire show because we're bouncing around

and giving you the big names first. So you got to keep the watch time up, so you got to make sure that you watch the entire show here for us. So Trevor Lough from Iowa, he is a redshirt junior. Trevor, war crime, by the way. Dude, I mean... We got Goosby coming up as well.

But I got him higher on the rankings. He's listed 6 foot 5 and a half, which for a tackle is small. For a guard is great. I mean, that's 85th percentile for a guard. 313 pounds, which is 50th percentile for, again, I'm looking at him from the guard perspective. Former three-star offensive tackle. Redshirt is first year. Only played in three games in 2024, so he barely played for his first two years that he was at Iowa.

And then last year he started all 13 games. at left tackle. There's a lot to like about Trevor Lough. I like him as I like him as an NFL offensive lineman. I just think that the length, the arm length is, looks to be average maybe at best for him. It was my biggest question. And I think that my biggest question for him was,

I felt as though the movement skills for him when he was really asked to get in space, play on an island, really do a vertical set, like all of those things that really stretch the length, the stride length that you have, your total frame, I thought those were the things that gave him the most trouble. And there's so much I liked about him,

really high IQ football player, right? Great hands, anticipates where pressure is coming from, heads on a swivel, always looking for where pressure is coming from. He comes off the ball really strong, especially for those like slanted run plays or zone run plays. Decent changes direction for like those quick sets and 45 degree sets to be able to wall and angle defensive players off, even if he knows that he can't get to a spot with a vertical set. He executes like a snatch and trap technique. Like if the edge rusher is too far on his toes, just a really, really high football IQ.

solid understands what wins along the offensive line type of a player. Where I saw him lose, if you will, I just kept thinking, dude, if we just put you at guard, so much of that goes away. Like you're so, and that's not always the case with guys. I don't want to be, I want to reiterate because we've always said this on the show. Kicking into guard isn't like the fix for bad tackles. No, it's not. It's not like, oh, you're bad as a tackle.

Let me kick you into guard and you'll be better. There are, I mean, you've got to have quicker reaction time. You've got to have quicker eyes. You've got to have quicker anticipation. Your footwork has to absolutely be on point. You have to be able to anchor quicker, right? Everything just happens quicker when you were on the interior. And so all of that stuff matters when you're transitioning from tackle to guard.

But Lowe does all of those things really well. So that's why he is a player who, if you have an injury at offensive tackle and you got to kick him out, it's like a Joe Tuny situation, right? Where like Tune play tackle a little bit for the chiefs. It's like, okay, you can get away with that because Tune is so smart of an offensive lineman. I feel like that could be a ceiling type of a cop for Trevor Lout. But that's the way that I see him right now.

I see him as more of a guard than I do a tackle, but you obviously still have him pretty high on the tackle rankings. Yeah, and there's something I don't like about him moving inside the guard. And that's it. I don't think his lower half has the mass for an elite. anchor right now. Maybe he develops that, but I saw him driven back against power sometimes where I was like, I actually don't like him kicking inside because you're going to be asked to kind of drop your hips and take on much different power from defensive tackles than you are compared to edge rushers.

While the tackle tape, first off, his grip strength is excellent. I mean, the way he can stall rushers that try to generate that movement, which just his grip strength is really, really impressive. You mentioned how smart of a player is. His plus awareness in spacing against overload pressures, passing off stunts, taking on different kind of blitzers. It's phenomenal.

And when you have such great spatial awareness, it can make up for some of your length limitations, which he might have. In the zone running game, his explosive power is out of this world. I mean, in which Iowa, it's like they just find these guys over. burn over again to generate this explosive zone run game power.

But what's different with him is he lands on his run game targets with such perfect timing and precision. And the way he drives his body to finish blocks with all out effort with leg drive is in sync with his upper half working, he destroys people in the open field. I really like this player. I think he can hang it tackle. I have questions about him kicking inside a guard. Now, I do think he'll get stronger in his lower half in another year of

Iowa's program, which might help that conversion if teams want him to do that. But he's one of the more fascinating, you know, will he stay a tackleer or not kind of players for me? But I have no doubts. This is a very high-end offensive line prospect. I think this is a pro player for sure. Obviously, you and I see him a little bit differently of where we think the home is in the NFL, but I don't think there's any doubt that both of us think that this is an NFL offensive

linemen. So we'll kind of see how he looks if things have changed. his change his body or his strength or whatever going into this season. But he is a good one. It just kind of depends on where you have him ranked and you got him at tackles. And I have as an interior player. Do you have Austin Saraville as an interior player as well? Yes.

From Ohio State. So do I. So do why. But man, is he another damn good one. He is a good one. I think that he is a, I think he's a really good play. Now, I think he needs to work on his power. Like he specifically, I think, needs to work on his power if he's going to survive at guard.

But I know that we'll get questions about him because he's Ohio State starting left tackle. I remember watching him last year and thinking, hey, he could declare because he was a junior last year. Definitely. Now he's a senior. But I also agree with you. I think that he is more of a guard prospect at this point in time. You said that you were surprised about Elijah Page, a USC. Yeah.

He was someone to me that left tackle, Redshirt Jr. You know, 6, 7 and 8th, 319, 316 on the listed. Yeah, he looks every bit like a tackle, a real tackle. I know he missed some time last year and eventually had a season-ending knee procedure. He's just one of those guys to me, Trevor, that he steps on the field and he's automatically hard to get around as a pass rusher. He's got these long arms. He's big. he plays with a pretty even base, I think,

and that's what makes it hard to get around him. But man, he has long enough arms that I think it actually hurts his technique sometimes. There's so many times where his hands are wrapped around a guy rather than like inside, good leverage. He almost throws him, if he throws him late, they're on the outside of the, they're right on the shoulder pads. And it doesn't matter how big or strong you are,

you're going to lose the leverage battle right away with that. And just his, you want to talk about run game striking power and aggression that is not at the NFL standard right now. That, like, there's a line where Seton, he's such a good pass protector and he can develop into a better run game player. Page, I left a lot to be desired with his run tape where I was like, man, like, I, it's, yeah, he, he's a really developmental guy. Like, he, I thought he was, he, I think.

he's a Richard Junior. I really think he could use another two years at USC. So this is clearly like our rankings and prioritization are just in a, we went different directions here because just like with Seton, the reason why I like Paige is because he's built like an NFL player. I think he's got the frame that I would kind of look at him and say, hey, I think that you're built the way I want my NFL offensive tackles to be built. You've got the length to you. He also has some good flexibility to him too. Like, of course, naturally, he's six foot seven.

I see you guys in the chat. But he, like in his pre-snap stance, he still plays with a very flat back, very upright, ready to, you know, have good balance and power everywhere. Sometimes you get these guys who are like 6, 6, 6, 7, 6, 8, and they're, you know, like they're hunched over, you know, when they're in pass protection, you know, the shoulders are like this. Kind of lumber along. Yeah.

And, and, and, and page just isn't like that. He's got that good flexibility and natural balance to be able to move the way you want to. He doesn't have the biggest stride length when it comes to his kickslides, but the length helps him make up for that, especially if he's short setting it or 45 degree setting it at all. He's slower by nature, but I don't think he looks clumsy. Again, going back to that balance that I think that he has in his pre-snap stance. You see that post-snap as well with the way that he moves.

So I'm kind of a sucker for these players who are, listed at six foot seven, have the arm length, and yet have that flexibility to almost like look and move like an athlete. Because there's just not a lot of players who have that kind of weight and size that have the ability to do that. So when you have that, it's hard for me to give up on you, knowing especially that you got another year of college football and then a rookie contract to really be able to develop and see how good of a pro that you could be.

I totally agree with you about him being more aggressive in the run game. It drove me nuts, honestly. And I am willing, very clearly, because I haven't been number four here, I am willing to, I don't want to say overlook that, but look beyond it to think that the best is yet to come, because it was almost as if he wasn't leaning his body weight into the defenders. he was when he was reaching contact with the defenders, even in the Powell Run game where you're telling him,

hey, get your hands on this guy, turn the legs and get downhill. He was like upright when he did it. He wasn't leaning over. He wasn't putting his momentum and his body into, you know, pushing a guy like you're pushing a sled. And so that to me is a little bit more of a technique thing where I'm like, hey, with experience,

I think that you can be even more aggressive getting to these defenders and really displacing them with what I think is it an NFL caliber frame and size and weight and all that. So that is the thing that I'm really looking for with him this year because if he can't improve that, I agree with you. He will be much lower on my overall offensive tackle rankings because right now he is not the run, the impact run blocker he needs to be. but I just, I watched so many times where I felt he could have been better. And I kept coming back to, you're not even hitting these guys with leverage. You're not even hitting them with momentum. And until I kind of see him hit somebody with momentum and then get Stonewall, you know, maybe I'll just be a believer in what could be for him.

But hard for me to, hard for me to not believe in an NFL caliber frame with that length, with that flexibility who has the balance that he does. I think that that's a ball of clay when it comes to what you could be at the NFL level. So you're Elijah Page. My version of that was Drew as a party from Washington. Did you watch him? I did not. No.

So I didn't watch PJ Williams either, and you got him at two. Yeah, PJ. We'll talk about him. He could be another one of those guys like, you know, where do you, and same with Jacarius Peak. You know, where do you play him? How does he fit? that. We'll get to all that. So as a party is definitely my Elijah Page argument where he's 6-7, he's 32 pounds, looks every bit like a tackle. I mean, you don't have any questions. He has been

Washington starting right tackle now for the last two years after starting six games at right tackle for San Diego State in 2023. So he's played a lot of football on the offensive line. I've watch some of the media he's done this offseason with Washington. You could tell he's a, you know, senior kind of guy, really like leadership traits, experience, kind of a guy that can lean on there. And I think his tape is really going in the right direction at right tackle. I mean, he's got the size and he looks bigger than everyone else on tape, which you just love when you turn on the end zone angle.

And the prospect you're supposed to be watching looks like the NFL player. Yeah. He's got excellent lower half. strength and he's got the length to match where he constantly stalls power. And that's why you see he wasn't credited with allowing a sack last year. Nobody can really drive through him. I will say the times where he gets beat, he might overset a little bit and a speedier rusher can cross his face. I think in the run game, the foot speed and the angles, the foot speed is a notch below where you want it. The angles are questionable, but you can work on that. And he kind of leans as a run blocker rather than

drives and it's like dude you're 322 pounds destroy these people stop leaning which there and it's not that's not a laziness because you watch him in pass pro when he has no assignment he will destroy somebody when he looks for help i love the help blocking he wants to be physical he wants to put somebody in the dirt and when he does land on his targets and activates his whole body he he moves people like people go so this was my you know giant offensive tackle like kind of still developing but also has a lot of play experience that and is a true right tackle that I ended up I really liked. Do you watch Lance Hurd? I did watch Lance Hurd. He just missed. He actually was nine for me. He actually funny enough was nine for me as well. He just missed the

list here for me because I actually him and the guy that I had at number eight, they're basically neck and neck. They're different players, but I wanted to shout out the guy as number eight, who I'll talk about in the second. But like, Keon Coleman Award for this group. What is the Keon Coleman Award? Five best plays rock. Yeah. So that's why I didn't have them in the, that's why I didn't have them in my top eight because you can be Keon Coleman and get away with it at wide receiver. Yeah, sometimes. You can't. On offensive line, it's a death sentence. You can at offensive tackle. No. I mean, you know, what's the Will Campbell quote? He's like, you know, like if...

Amazon. Yeah, he's like... By the way, way too disrespectful to the lovely Amazon drivers. Shout it to the Amazon drivers. Yeah, they are the true heroes of society today. We're at my house daily, sometimes multiple times a day. Shout out to my wife. Oh, man.

Wives to love Amazon. They really do. Put that on a shirt. No, I don't. actually don't. My wife loves Amazon. On the back. Does yours question mark? Bros would love you.

I could see that. I could see I'm just like walking through Times Square and there's just some dude who just is wearing a my wife loves Amazon shirt does yours on the back. Honestly, we should make those shirts. It's probably as well. Start a conversation. So yeah, Lance heard. I have this in in the notes like he plays bully ball, right?

I mean, like, his best play is, yeah, I mean, he's absolutely erasing a defensive lineman. But there are, I don't think he moves well enough to deal with. So I think there are going to be people who naturally watch him and go, wait a second, Darnel Wright was the same way. And then Darnel Wright kind of like got better. It's like, sure. But Darnel Wright's starting point was a lot higher. And yeah, Darnel Wright obviously just got way.

way better at this. Yeah. I don't see them similarly if you guys are going to hear that comparison. No, it's a good call out by you because I think just the way they look in pads, people will think that. They're like, oh, we got another darn all right on our hands. Look at the size of the sky's upper body. So in the chat saying, wait, what did I, did I miss something?

Why are we talking about him if he's both, if he's off Bose list? I guess you don't like extra football talk. Oh, fine. You don't want more content? Yeah, you don't want more content, so? Fine. Cool. Show 1 through 8, read them, and then we get off the show.

Yeah, thanks for watching the show. It's just going to be list content and Sam Spence music in the background. Here's what we do. You know how they have the Yule log around Christmas time? Yeah. Month of December, we'll have a Yule log and just our rankings, and they just scroll. We don't even have to sit down on this camera and microphone and say a damn word. 30K views.

NFLS.E ULog with draft rankings. Sully, you know we're just messing with you. He's like, I was just worried I missed something. Sully, Sully is an OG. He is an OG addict. We are totally kidding. We are totally messing with you. Also, Samuel Dumas.

Samuel Dumont said, can you guys talk about me? There you go. Shout out. Peter. Peter, who's tuning in from Italy, still in Italy, by the way. Yeah, in Capri. I knew you can learn. Okay.

Who are we talking about next? I guess like this has been a throw a dart at the board type of show. I guess we should, I should talk about the guy who have number eight on the list. Which yes, I didn't. This is the only guy in your list that I did not watch. Yeah, get absolutely smoked, buddy. Smoked. Okay, a red shirt sophomore from Montana State.

Why don't you? If he declares, why don't you open your eyes? I will give you a thousand dollars if he declares. You hear that chat? Click that. Click that. Yep. Click that and distort whatever we were talking about.

So that when he declares, doesn't even have to be this year. You guys, he didn't say this year. No, come on now. He didn't say this year. Whenever he declares. Man, tough scene rooting for a guy to retire. Praying on a man's downfall. Yes, not a good look.

So Braden Zimmer, he's in Montana State. He's a red shirt sophomore going into this season. We only have one year of tape. Hand up. Shout out to the king, Dame Bruegler. This is the only reason why I knew the name Braden Zimmer because he had him on his list. And I was like, okay, this guy's interesting here. He is listed at 6'4.6, 295 pounds.

He has put on 60 pounds in three years. Wow. Since he first arrived in high school. He was a two-star offensive tackle. He actually played basketball in baseball. He was a pitcher in baseball more than, I don't know, is ERA. Don't ask me as ERA. Don't ask me.

I don't know the stats. Maybe Connor could find him. I love looking up the stats. He played, so he played those other sports more than he played football. he kind of committed to football a lot more, I believe, his junior and senior year in high school. So he committed to Montana State. He read shirt in 2024 because he showed up and he was like 240 pounds to play

offensive tackle. So essentially, I read an article where they were like, where he said, yeah, we had me on a 5,500 calorie per day diet. And he's like, initially I was tracking my food. And then I realized it's a good thing if I go over. So I just didn't care. So he's like, I just ate every two hours. And that's about it.

But he started all 16 games last season. Yeah, look, I think that it's very unlikely that he declares after this season. But there is a lot to like. Again, you talk about somebody who has an NFL frame, good arm length, good. I mean, the 60 pounds that he put on, for him to look the way that he does, I mean, it's not really sloppy weight. I mean, it's a lot of stuff that's in the lower half and the glutes and the hamstrings for him to be able to anchor really. well. Obviously, he's gotten bigger in the upper body as well. But this dude is, I mean,

he's got great overall balance, really nice movement skills. He's got that length to be able to mitigate a lot of the past riches that he obviously sees at the FCS level. But the back for him is very flat. He's very upright pre-snap, very balanced type of a player. I think if he continues to get better, we're legitimately talking about a real NFL prospect here. So he needs a lot. He needs a lot. lot more experience. We'll get another year of starting experience from him this year, which I'm looking forward to see. But there is something here. I wanted to shout him out on this show, not because he's anywhere close to a finished product, but because there is something here with this kid from Montana State. And I think he should be on people's radar. Yeah, this is a super

interesting one because you're talking about a guy that is, you know, going into his third year and he's redshirted one. He's completely changed his body. We've seen stories like this where, guys are just meteoric risers out of nowhere on the offensive line because there's not a lot of guys that can carry that kind of weight and combine it with that kind of athleticism. So I did not watch him. I'm excited to get eyes on him now and is he going to be one of those guys that just teams just love him and he declares he's going to be an I owe $1,000. Is he going to run those guys that has a good year and gets paid a million dollars to go to name your, you know, big program. Right. That wouldn't shock me either.

in this era. Yeah, we've got some shoutouts in the chat. Moda saying Brian O'Neill weight gain. I mean, that's, yeah, I mean, that's the highest end of the comp that you would want him to eventually become as a player like Brian O'Neill. Peter is saying Charles Grant, who Charles Grant does look better now that it's, you know, not a team that's as dysfunctional as the Raiders were the previous season. But, yeah, I think that Brent's also correct in the chat saying,

while it is Montana State, they're a powerhouse in the FCS, he'll end up at a high-end D-1 school next year. I do agree that I think that another year of tape for Braden Zimmer, and he's probably making the jump to a legit D-1 program where he can up the level of competition and hopefully go up against some NFL talent on a weekly basis. All right, so where are we on the list here? Because I think we have a special guest that we wanted to bring in on the show

and talk with today. It's a good break point. I think this is a great break point for it. So you guys have heard us talk about franchise league football over the last couple of weeks. We've talked about their product and we think that it's a really, really cool mix of dynasty auction leagues and just being a whole team building thing. And with us now, we actually have the founder and CEO of franchise league football, Renee Miller, who we wanted to have on not just to ask about the product, but also. talk about some rookies here with you guys. Have a little bit of fantasy football and dynasty talk here.

So Renee, thank you so much for joining us here on the show. We really appreciate you joining an NFL stock exchange. Thank you so much for having me and for telling your fans about our game. So I have to quote, franchise league football.com here. A neuroscience scientist who plays fantasy like a science. That is your bio in the, in the, about us type of section. So I wanted to give you your props there because that is an incredible intro to have into

fantasy football and for everything that you guys are doing over there. So just to start this conversation, again, we've been telling our listeners about it. We think it's a really cool concept. How did you come up with franchise league football and doing something that it really is like this perfect marriage of like Dynasty League, auction league, things like that? Yeah, it's the original idea of my business partner, Dave Sukoff, who started playing this way with his MIT friends when they were. in college and gradually kind of evolved the format. And I came in a couple years ago as a fantasy

expert and enthusiast and, you know, kind of helped shape the product for the masses. So took this sort of one microcosm of a league and helped make it something that a lot of would appeal to a lot of people. The thing that drew me to at the project was the element of having more strategic decision-making, having, you know, decisions that carried over for a longer period of time through the, like, pseudo-dynasty aspects and having those, like, immediate, um, sort of monetary decision hits, like you get with DFS or betting. Um, so our salary cap in auction kind of accomplished that. So it's that whole mix, just, you know, it's fantasy football, but it's got enough little tweaks in it that I think it really elevates the game, makes it a lot more

fun to play. And one of those tweaks is the college player. Yeah. I know. I think why you guys are interested. Yeah. And we're going to talk about some of the college players here in a second. But I just, I love that when you make a call on a player in this league, you get to reap the reward for a little bit, right? It's not just like one season or a little bit or whatever. Like you're signing them the multi-year contracts and things like that. So I think that totally goes into exactly what you were talking about. And you kind of brought the college players there, I know that it's a very natural segue into a kind of conversation about what we talk about all the time here on this show. So what sort of some of the college

questions and things that you hear either from yourself in your league or other people who are in your leagues or things like that about, you know, making the jump from college to the NFL. Right. Let me lay the groundwork just a little bit. When you join a league and franchise league football, FLF, you, once your league is full, you will get a roster of players with NFL contracts or with FLF contracts, 6 million, 26 million. So you're really starting the way you would if you were buying an NFL team in this fantasy format. And you decide if you're going to keep anywhere between six and nine players you can keep. And to fill out your roster, you have to stay under the $100 million salary cap.

So after you do that, you make your keep drop decisions. You decide if there's anybody that you want to extend. You can extend certain players one time up to five years. And then you go into your draft. And in your auction, your bid becomes the player's new salary. And that's where the salary cap is really enforced. So to get the best players for the least amount of money, for the longest term, you have to be really really careful, I'll say. And it goes both ways, right? The bad decisions can haunt you for maybe not as long

because we always have that reset where you can drop about half of your roster if you want to. So after you have your veterans, you have your rookies, you've maybe maxed out your auction excitement, then we get to the college draft in FLF and everybody gets to choose one college player to sort of stash. I call it. It's like speculating. You're speculating on a college player. And they stay on your roster.

And when they declared for the NFL, you have them at the minimum price. So lots of people, since we played last year, last year was our first year of the product. People are starting with Jeremiah Love for $2 million this year, right? It's a huge advantage to get it right. Some of us are like, is that worth keeping Nick Singleton? I might be one of them. So sometimes we get it right. Sometimes we don't get it right.

So I would love to hear from you guys, like, what are the attributes of current college players that make that successful leap to the NFL and not just, you know, personal success, but fantasy success? Because that's what we care about. Right away, you think of the size and size. speed wide receiver, especially how gifted this class specifically is where everybody's going to want Jeremiah Smith because he's viewed as, you know, easily the best offensive player in the country. But it's deeper than him at wide receiver. He was drafted a lot last year. So a lot of people drafted them as their college player last year. And now they are holding him and get to add a second college player if they want. I love that. So they were playing the long game where they felt like they,

yeah, right? It wasn't known that he was going to stay in school another year. back in August last year. Yeah, well, he, yeah, he's paid, you know, the most NIL at probably his position, of course, and well-earned. And the thing is, what's interesting, Trevor, it's deeper than just him. Like, there's going to be people that look at Cam Coleman down at Texas at wide receiver and go, like, yeah, you all can claim Jeremiah Smith, but we think Cam Coleman's going to blow up this year or KJ Duff or Charlie Becker.

So the wide receiver class makes this specific move a lot more interesting than it typically ever could be. And this is a fun year for like this whole fantasy concept, especially if you get to involve some of these rookie or college players because we just did, you know, we're doing the offensive tackle summer scouting episode right now. But we did wide receiver, whatever it was a month ago. And there are sometimes, sometimes you go through a draft class in the summer and you go, yeah, okay, there's a couple of guys that might be legit NFL guys. There are so many wide receivers it feels like this year that could be legit NFL guys.

And I think going back to your question, there's a lot of attributes specifically with wide receiver. Connor talks about the size and speed combination. But, you know, some things that we really focus on here on this show, separation. Like is your separation percentile really higher? You are constant? Because

that really translates into targets, receptions. Like that's something. Separation percentile and separation percentage is one of those stats that I think correlates so much to fantasy football success. And that's one of the, we are always trying to reference that anytime we can here on this show because if you can't separate, you can't create throwing windows.

It's just, it's so difficult for offensive coordinators or quarterbacks to really want to give you a chance consistently. So I would say that like those are some physical attributes that we always seem to lean towards when it comes to wide receivers to produce from a fantasy perspective. So use zero to write in on what? wide receivers, do you think they have the best hit rate? Is it easier to predict that leap from college to NFL for receivers and therefore prioritize receivers?

Or is that your personal bias? No, so the opportunity, the first round running back, I think, gets the most guaranteed opportunity. Yeah. Like with wide receiver, no matter what, they're probably going to walk into a room where there's NFL caliber players they're going to share targets with, where you look at now, it might drive you a little nuts year one. This has happened with Jamir Gibbs,

and then Ash and Genti wasn't what people wanted him to be. But by year two, if you were a first round running back, you're going to get the full workload at some point. So I think running back can be a little bit more projectable and at least knowing what opportunity they're going to get, where with a wide receiver, it's like, did he go to a bad organization without a quarterback? And he's getting six targets a game,

but those six targets aren't what it's like to get six targets from Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes. So that's why running back can be, in a way easier at times, but every position has its own little difficulties. I feel like wide receiver is also a little bit more of a play at safe thing because the fact of the matter is that teams play with three wide receivers on the field 60 or 70% of the time, you know,

so it's just like there's more targets to go around, there's more snaps to go around, whereas a lot of times drafting running back is kind of exactly what Connor was saying. If you get a first round running back or a first round tight end, I think that's super valuable. like you should try to prioritize. If you want to hit a home run, but if you're trying to, you know,

just a base hit here, hey, I just need a rookie who's going to contribute for me. Yeah, leaning wide receiver probably makes the most sense just because there's so many opportunities for wide receivers to be able to get you some fantasy points, whereas sometimes you could draft a super talented running back. But again, like Connor mentioned, if you're stuck behind a guy who's their number one

and he never gets hurt and he never comes off the field, it just, yeah, it just is what it is. So I think it's a little bit of a, again, exactly what goes into why franchise league football is really cool. Sort of the strategy of, okay, I just need a rookie who will give me something week in and week out. Okay, I need a draft maybe a wide receiver this year. Or, okay, my team is pretty set. My contracts are pretty set for the next like year or two. Let's try to hit a home run.

Like let's draft a running back or a tight end who maybe they go nuclear for me. but if they don't, it's okay. I kind of have the rest of my roster filled out. Right. And your roster construction matters a lot too because you're thinking long term, you might have an aging tight end or a couple aging running backs

that have been doing great for you for a long time, but you can see that the edge of the cliff is approaching and you might want to speculate in that area in that position more than others. What about quarterbacks? The general vibe around the business from the company, college quarterbacks are not worth speculating on the position is so deep that you don't want to waste your college spot at quarterback. What do you guys think?

And this format, you only need one starting quarterback, right? Yeah. You're not going to be playing. Yeah. So yeah, that's the caveat to that is that we have a feature of injury replacement. So if your player gets hurt in the first half of their game, one of your bench players can automatically sub in for you. So there's some motivation for people to carry two quarters. But you only have to start one. Yeah, that definitely makes it that you probably aren't in a place where you're utilizing the stash college player on a quarterback, even if they're the hype train's insane. Like even for Arch right now, who some people absolutely love, people are just going to fall in love with the skill players as well. And fantasy is weird.

No matter what format you play, you can kind of always get by with quarterback and one quarterback, leagues when you have the Brock Purdy's of the world, Baker Mayfield, Jordan Love, like that tier. So, yeah, I could see people just kind of being like, I'll figure it out. I'm not going to overinvest assets at that position. It is so funny how different leagues are if you have one quarterback versus if you have like either starting two quarterbacks

or, you know, like a quarterback in an offensive position or like whatever. Because then all of a sudden people go from not trapping quarterbacks at all whatsoever too. It, like, dominates the entire first round. Like, it's just quarterbacks who fly off the board. But, yeah, Renee, I just, I have a hard time, especially in a main one quarterback format, thinking that drafting a quarterback would be worth it. There's just too many options out there.

If you're going to, again, swing for the fences. I'd swing for the fences with tight end or running back. Like Connor said, like even Arch Manning, who we know. is going to get a starting shot somewhere and get legitimate runway to be a franchise quarterback. And even Arch, like Arch has rushing ability to him as well, right? Yeah. It's, it's, you just, you never know the jump from college to the NFL for quarterbacks is so unknown. We spend so much time on this show analyzing it as best we can and we think we do a pretty good job of it.

But there's still, you know, quarterbacks that we like, they're like, well, all right, that didn't work out. And there's some quarterbacks that, you know, maybe we we didn't like who do and all of that. So it's just it's such a tough position to crack. And there's just so many things that go into a quarterback producing well enough from a fantasy perspective, I think. Yeah. I said somebody wanted to know the site. It's just Franchiseleaguefootball.com. The website, you can play on the website.

You can download the app for whatever phone you have. Our audience wants in, Renet. I have so. I can say for, you know, playing fantasy football for 20 years, this is the most fun I've had. Awesome. You know, a lot of expert dynasty leagues I've been in even get a little stale because there's no turnover. There's no trades. You get so, and this is kind of where, you know, the neuroscience comes in. You get so attached to your players.

You don't get to make the exciting moves. But we sort of force that, that dynamic. and there's already so many off-season trades we're seeing come through and really exciting stuff. And you know what? I always feel as though sometimes the worst part of fantasy leagues are you really want to care about it, but then some other people in your league don't care. And then it just, it kind of ruins the experience. With a league like this, everybody's going to care.

Like everybody is going to care about their roster because so much more goes into how you acquire them. how you think about team building and all of that kinds of stuff. Renee, thank you so much for joining us. This was great. It was great to get to meet you. It was great to get to talk with you. This idea is so cool. You guys have something really, really cool in your hands.

And we've already got a bunch of people in our chat who are saying, hey, NFLSE League. Let's get an NFLSE league going. So we'll see how many of those we could possibly get going. But we really appreciate. I'll join if you need a 12th. There we go. There we go. We appreciate you so much.

Join in and we love the product. You too. You too. Man, I really do think that that franchise league football thing, like I've played in dynasty leagues before. I've played in, auction leagues.

This combines it and it's just a, it's a really cool concept. I love it. Yeah, I want to see if they're, you know, I know they're still like tweaking certain things and always evolving certain things.

I would be fascinated to do this in a two-quarterback league format. Because I think it, we're in a spoiled draft year where wide receiver's so good and running back has depth this year unlike last year and quarterback has depth where I think it would make the strategy element so much more you know even nerdyer and deeper than it already is but that's what we all love about this 100% having to have two playable quarterbacks somebody is asking for the promo code mbFL 50 saves you 50% when you get you. guys sign up. So yeah, franchise league football.com, like Renee was saying, you can play online,

or you can just download in the app or the Google Play Store, wherever, wherever you're downloading your apps. Oh, the chef also wanted to let us know that all of the information is in the description of the show as well. All right, let's get back to it. The other chef is like way younger than us, but such the adult and mom of the show. Yeah, somebody's got to do it. And someone has to do it. Thank God he does. I mean you. Thank God he does. Thank you, chef.

Are we talking about Caden Green now? Should we talk about him? Yeah. This is the ultimate player, Trevor, that I love at guard, but I stuck with him here at tackle. I believe they moved him to tackle, what, two weeks before the season last year? Was it that? Something, I was reading something like that where I was like, okay, so he got thrown into this. I mean, pull up my notes on Caden Green.

But, you know, his developmental aspects or limitations, whatever they may be, are pretty obvious. I think his foot quickness on an island can hurt him at times, right? There's just times where it felt like he didn't match the standup speed all the time. So I think he's a funny one because I actually think the feet move fast. with him, he just doesn't have that like stretch. You know, like those NFL offense. Covering a lot of ground, like a wide radius. Yes.

Yeah, that might be it. Either way, his radius. And this could be something of him developing, because I remember the first time that I ever watched Membu play. And I think Membo was a guard recruit. And you turn on the tape and you're like, he's built like a powerhouse guard. And then you watch him grow at tackle, at right tackle.

and he just became so good that nobody ever talked about Memboa. People were talking about Memboa Guard early on. And then by the end of that year and the draft cycle beginning, everybody was like, nope, he's a true right tackle. Like he played his way into that. I wonder if Green can improve that protection radius and kind of kill any thoughts of him as a guard-only prospect. So he's a senior this season.

He's listed at 6'5-316 pounds. He's a former four-star offensive. tackle prospect. He started his career at Oklahoma, started five games at Guard in 2023, transferred to Missouri, played left guard, all of 2024, and then he played in tackle last year. We actually do have a birthday on him, November 15, 2004, so he will be 22. I think is how math works. He'll be 22 on draft day.

I think he can play tackle at the NFL level. I just the thing that I need to see the most from him is is I feel like he plays with such high pad level all the time. Whether it's not blocking that he's not that tall compared to these other guys. No, no. I just think he plays super upright and that gets him off balance a little bit more than you would expect. It makes it tougher for him to anchor and take on contact just because he's got that upright play style. He's not kind of like sitting down lower in the stance or the wider base that helps you mitigate that. But really good demeanor.

I think he plays with a great mentality. He's always playing through the whistle. He's always playing strong. I think he's got the experience that you want to see for somebody who does all different types of past protection stuff, you know, whether it is quick sets, 45 degree sets, vertical sets, although like I said, I think he struggles a little bit with the vertical set stuff. But yeah, I think he's an NFL player. This is another one just to monitor like, hey, is he a guard or a tackle?

And I think that that's sort of the main conversation with him. Yeah, well, the answer for me would be that I think you can serve. at tackle right now, but I think he'd be a plus guard. And a lot of his strengths at tackle turn into plus plus strengths at guard where like when he takes on speed to power, he looks like they're running into a cement wall. I mean, unless somebody gets really under his pads, which I felt like I saw. But when his, when he's right, he's strong as now. Yeah, when it's even, you're right. He is, he's right there to neutralize people.

I think he's pretty versatile run game scheme-wise. Like, he looked good in inside zone. He looked good in outside zone. He's strong enough to be a gap blocker. So, yeah, there's a lot to like about this player. If the draft was today, I think teams would eval him as a guard. I do want to see one more year just with the background story that he got moved to tackle last year two weeks before the season started, which is just bananas.

Yeah, if the draft was today, then Zimmer would be in the draft. then I'd get $1,000 for me later today, but it's not. But it's not. So, Jacarius Peak, you've got to talk about him next. DeCarrie's Peak, he is in offensive tackle at South Carolina. He's a redshirt senior this year. He is 6'4, 292 pounds. That's eighth percentile in height, first percentile in weight.

He's a former four-star offensive tackle, played tackle and guard in high school. he also played basketball and I got the stats. Well, what? There's a problem with that. With the stats? No, that he didn't stop playing basketball. Oh. Did you see this?

Well, yeah, he, uh, what do he tear his ACL? Or what do he, what do you? They're not. I don't think they said because they never say. Lower body injury in a charity basketball tournament. In the winter, he was playing basketball and he's missed all the spring. and he might not be ready week one. Yeah.

So he didn't stop playing basketball. It's true. Because everybody loves the stats, though, 5.9 points per game, 4.1 rebounds per game when he was in high school. He was also second at the state championship in the shot put and seventh in the discus. Okay, so he, like,

that's pretty impressive track athlete level results here. So he committed NC State, redshirted his first year, started six games in 2023, 13 games of 24, 13 games in 2025, and then he transferred to South Carolina. So this dude has 32 games of starting experience under his belt already as a redshirt senior. It's kind of what we hope for. Obviously a great athlete. At 2.92, you better be a great athlete, right? Yeah, he's a rabbi steak above a tight end. I like that. Yes. It took me a while to to follow what you were putting down there, but I actually do like that a lot.

Prime ribbi steak, of course. Only the finest for Jacarius. The top of hockey. The offensive tackles that we have here. I think that he looks like an athlete, right? It looks like they put a big giant athlete out at offensive tackle, right? I've talked about it multiple times on this show, but plays to the flat back. He's got his butt low.

Wherever he's moving, he is still in that, like, loaded, low stance, low pad level, is able to shuffle wherever he needs to. The feet move really fast. The hands move really fast. as well. You know, what I appreciate the most about Peak is that sometimes when you get these lighter offensive linemen, they want to play this finesse game, I love his demeanor. He plays a fire, man.

He'll take the fight to you. This is somebody who could very easily just say, okay, I'm going to get off the ball and I'm just going to stay in front of you. I'm going to mirror you, right? Just like you're shuffling. And he can do that. But there are other times, I watched them specifically against that Miami game, where it is a pass play.

He could vertical set, but he like short sets it. And he just punch it. Like he just hits the defensive lineman immediately. And the D. Lyman's like barely getting out of his stance at that point. And now they got that now they got like a hand straight on their shoulder and like, wait a second, how did that get there? I just love that he can play with. I just love that he plays fast and aggressive

because I think you get a lot of these lighter offensive tackles that don't want to play aggressive because a lot of times when they get in that type of game, they lose against stronger defensive linemen. But he's not afraid to take the fight to defensive linemen, and I think that that's a really good trait for an offensive tackle. And I honestly think it's a great way to sort of mitigate lower weight that you might have.

the overall measurables well below average. It might be below thresholds, honestly, for offensive tackles in the NFL. And I just think that even though the feet move fast, they can move a little bit out of control. He's got a little bit of a frenetic style to him. Great athlete, but it just kind of comes down to who is he post-injury, post-knee injury, and then do you care that he is 290 pounds?

Because I think a lot of teams are going to care that he's 290 pounds. I think so too. He feels like the perfect guy you draft as a swing tackle in a very athletic scheme. Where we're going to move him a lot in the run game. We can get by with him. Certain matchups, we might have to park a tight end next to him. But the experience, the athleticism, like you said with the mirroring, I mean, for me to rank a sub 300 pound.

tackle in the top eight alone tells you what I think of this guy I know I know because like when I wrote in the the spreadsheet all the heights and weights for all these guys I was like I really because he has some pretty good spring grades from teams I was like really and then you turn on the tape and you're right like it he's just a good player and he's got the right demeanor and he plays above his weight and he's such a great athlete so I'm fascinated because I guarantee there's some schemes that he won't be like when teams hand out their offensive line list for the offensive line coaches to watch he won't even be on some teams they just won't draft the player like this yeah yeah but i bet he could be valuable to a pl to a handful of teams i really do i liked him way more than i

thought i was going to yeah i thought i was just going to look at him and be like nope not built like an NFL offensive tackle but the way he plays uh is hard to quit so i i am much more of a fan of him than I thought that I was going to be. Who else? Who's next on the list? You got anybody in your, okay, we've hit. We got through the bottom threes. So did you watch,

Desmiel Lee from Youngstown State? He was ironically the second tackle I watched. I don't know why. All right. I think because he's another guy that actually had some good team grades where I was like, you don't get a lot of these. Right. Good team grades staying at Youngstown.

State. Right, right. So, yes. I'm shocked that he is a Youngstown State still. I'm four. Because this is the final year for him. He's a redshirt senior this year. This is it.

So he's 6'4th and 3 eighths to 74th percentile. 324 pounds, 78 percentile. So he's huge. The dude has NFL size. So he's a zero star offensive tackle from Kent, Ohio. played only one season of high school football, but he was a standout basketball and lacrosse player. Hell yeah.

He was in high school. I couldn't fathom going up against someone this size in lacrosse. Although he probably, considering he's a red shirt senior, he's probably another one of those transformation stories. He's probably put on 80 pounds. But he should go back to lacrosse now. He should.

He should. He should. He should. He should. It's the old NHL. theory, do we just sign a sumo wrestler from China and let him just sit in goal? That's kind of what we're talking about with. And nobody and everybody still refuses to do it.

Yeah. It's tough. We really need this. So he's not, you know, it's, again, I'm very shocked that he's still a Youngstown state, unless he is just a hell yeah, state of Ohio type of a dude. because he redshirted it in 2022, started 13 games in 2023, started 12 games in 2024,

started 13 games last year. I mean, he ain't that under the radar, if under the radar at all whatsoever. So when I turned on the tape, I wondered if I was going to see somebody who, because with a resume like that, how are you not, in the NIL era,

how are you not somewhere else? And so I thought that this was going to be a total project of a player. And there certainly is areas that I think he needs to improve to play against NFL level competition. But I think he's pretty good, Connor. Yeah, I have some questions, but I think he's got the potential to play in the pros. I think he's got any. I think he's got an adequate frame to take or dish out power.

I think the frame is very well filled out. Good weight, especially in the lower half as well. It carries a lot of weight to anchor in the last. leg drive, unique ability to at his size with his length, again, keep his back flat, keep his butt down, be very powerful in how he moves. He knows how to get hands on guys and I think he's got good grip strength. I know he knows how to like lean on people in the power run game to be able to move people off the ball.

I don't think he's a great athlete and maybe that's why no one's kind of come calling to really bring him up to the next level. But if you're asking him to operate sort of in more of a power run scheme, I think he can do that. You're not going to ask. I don't want you to ask him to run, you know, like mid and outside zone. But I think he can combo block for you. I think he can get downhill.

I think he can move people off the ball. I'm a pretty big fan of his, especially for the level of competition that he is playing at, I felt like I saw a player because I watched the Michigan State game from him. last year where obviously Youngstown stage that was the first game I put on yeah I mean it has to be because you have to see him against some sort of you know FBS competition I thought he played pretty well against Michigan State I didn't think that he looked out of place at all whatsoever so he's he this is this is somebody who I just think the overall frame and the tape that I saw from him maybe I'm maybe I'm just watching him dominate lower levels of competition but

But this is very clearly going to be an All-Star Bowl type of a player, you know, Shrine Bowl, Senior Bowl, whatever. So we're going to get to see him up close and personal in a couple of months whenever we get to that point of draft season. But I was much more of a fan that I thought that I was going to be from him. I thought he had some grown man strength to him. I think the All-Star Circuit, it doesn't have the same importance for as many players as it once did.

And that's not to take away from those games. I think the guys that run those games do a great job. job. I love going to the events. I'm just saying like, you need to be careful how much stock you put, say you watched a guy for three years and then he has a bad one-on-one. You can't be like, well, this guy stinks now. That's what I'm trying to. This is a player that an all-star game, weak of practices, would be massive for me as a scout. Yeah. Because I got to a point watching him, Trevor, where I wrote down my notes with like the Ross size, the length of a pro tackle. He's started, he's made 38 starts at left tackle. He plays with inside hands. He gets stalemate

strength from the power of his base. He keeps his feet moving. He uses his length against counter moves. But then, you know, you get to the stuff that like is going to be a problem against better teams. Smaller, flexible rushers are going to give his high pad level problems. If you can bend and you're six foot two, like Armason Thomas. would beat this guy 14 out of 15 reps. Like that's what he struggles with right now. But he doesn't see a lot of guys like that

at this level of competition. Right. So I'm sitting there like, okay. The problem of why I didn't rank him in my top eight, the thing that disappointed me the most was, he doesn't sustain blocks in the run game, which makes no sense. He's big, he's strong, he's got long arms,

he's played a ton of football. It was just so bizarre to me. I'm like, he falls off his blocks in the run game so fast. and that I think needs to be such an important aspect of his game. So I hope that improves this year. I would say he's more of a late day three kind of, you know, can an NFL team get more development at him than his current college program kind of player?

But I do agree with you because of what he offers with his size and pass probability that he's not at a bigger program for his final season. Yeah, obviously I feel like the league probably agrees a lot closer to sort of how you see the prospect than how I do because I feel like if he had more. notoriety he might, I feel like he would be at a different school. I didn't, I didn't note the lack of sustaining blocks in the run game, but now that you say that, now obviously I'm going to go back and watch you see if I see a little bit more of that. So can you talk about PJ Williams?

You have him at number two. I did not watch this player. So obviously you thought very, very highly out of him, the offensive tackle from SMU. Yeah, PJ Williams. He's their right tackle. So keep that in mind. he transferred from Texas A&M, not recently, but once upon a time he was a, I think a four-star recruit that went to Texas A&M and then right away transferred to SMU to play.

And I mean, he started 14 games in 2024 as a redshirt sophomore, 11 of those who were at right tackle. He started 13 games last year at right tackle. He's their starting right tackle now for year three. He was a team captain last year, which is really nice to see for a guy that I believe was his redshirt junior season. So one of their team leaders, typically another player. Like we talk about Jacarius Peak, 6-5, 306.

I think his spring weight was 310, so he has put on some mass, but he's not a big tackle. And it's typically I struggle to fall in love with guys that are, you know, just typically smaller players in their draft class, let alone the NFL. But with this guy, his high school back, basketball background really shows in his past sets. What are the stats?

What are the stats? I don't have the stats. I wish I had the stats. Come on. Please find me the stats. I got to look up the stats. He's so smooth into his past sets. He's got like really agile, quick feet. This is the thing for me with him because he's another guy with as athleticism and his

size. Is he a tackle? Is he a guard? Here's the bottom line. This guy's tape, in my opinion, was good against Ruben Bain last year. all right so i don't really know what and it's not just rubin bain they played clemson they played louisville he's played high caliber edge rushers waves of them and he had a really great season so you think of him going against all this talent in the acc you know when you bring up the clemsons and the louis like

you think of his schedule and the edge rushers he's played and will continue to play he's passed all these tests. Super smart, hyper-aware, handles all kinds of different pressure looks. And then in the run game, if you're a little bit undersized, you have to play with an edge. He plays with an edge. He wants to piss people off. He wants to play through the whistle. He wants to give you that last shove to kind of get in your head. I love the demeanor. He's got to put on more masks to develop more anchor strength. I don't think teams that are heavy man scheme run

teams are going to love this guy as a starter, as a starter for them at his size. Like I just think you're drafting him because of his athleticism, what he can do in zone, but he's incredibly smart. I think he just plays a sound brand of football.

He's battle tested more than really any other guy in this class. So PJ Williams, I ranked him as a tackle, a damn, damn good one. If a team loves him as a guard, the bottom line is it's, it's the combo that's the case for a lot of these guys. He's a damn good player of an offensive line. I got the stats. All right. Senior season 12.8 points per game, 6.9 rebounds per game, 1.3 blocks per game and 1.9 steals per game. Makes so much sense. He loves playing defense. Defensive mastermind over here.

Makes so much sense. But just very enjoyable film. When you watch PJ Williams, you will really, really just love the style of football he plays. And he's going to have all the intangibles that teams want at this position group, which is so important. All right. All right.

I will watch him immediately after the show is over. Actually, that's not true. I'm going to feed my dogs and then I'm going to reheat some chicken and rice. And then after that, I will turn on some PJ Williams tape. All right, so for our next guy, our friends over at Fire TV, they're making sure that you guys never miss a game, all right? We're here to make sure that you never miss a rising prospect.

Today, we're talking about Nikki Prongos, the offensive tackle from Stanford. Let's dig into him because he is our player that you can't miss here. Redshirt Jr. from Stanford, 6-6-7-8s, 312 pounds. Tyler, we could throw up the, we could throw up his profile here. So this is why he's a can't miss guy

and why I chose him for this. Zero star offensive tackle from Nevada, California. He played basketball and baseball in high school. He even played for the Lithuanian national baseball team. Yeah. In the 2021 European Championship qualifier.

He didn't play football until his senior season in high school. Walked on at UCLA. Didn't play in 2022, played in one game in redshirt in 2023, eight starts in 2024, transferred to Stanford, and they played 12 games last season. I talked about him a little bit at the tail end of last draft cycle, because I remember that he could have potentially declared.

I would have picked this guy in the top 100 last year. I thought he was that good. Really natural athlete, high-level multi-sport background, which we love. Good flexibility in his stance, explodes in the run game, really nice hands always alert feels like are the hands perfect no but you could tell he's thinking about things the right way and the more experience he gets the more that's going to come from him consistency-wise balance is fantastic feet are light despite him being of NFL caliber size at 312 pounds he gets knocked off balance a little bit easier than you would think for a guy who is 312

but i think that that can be mitigated again with him anticipating a little bit better because I think he has the overall size to anchor a little bit better and he's just light on overall experience so i think that'll come for but Connor, I think this is a starting caliber offensive tackle, especially in his own blocking scheme. I think this guy can get off the ball, mid zone, wide zone, inside zone, whatever you want. If you're a zone blocking scheme, I think Nikki Prongos is a starting caliber offensive tackle at the NFL level. Again, I would have drafted him in the top 100 last year, and now we're getting a whole other year from him. I think he could be a top 50 type of a player.

Yeah, I'm with you. You were the first person to ever bring this player up to me. during last season. And in the moment, I was like, really, Trevor? Like, he hasn't played a lot. He's been a development. He went from developmental walk on to, oh, wow. Now he's the left tackle.

You got to see the vision, Connor. You got to see it. Left tackle at Stanford. And then you go through the full season of tape. And it's just, he is very, very easy to talk yourself into him as, you know, being a player that NFL coaching staffs will and should love. I mean, size and length, hasn't been playing this position. that long. He's got a wide frame. Once again, the long arms and the lateral agility. I thought

rushers had a very difficult time trying to work around him because he utilizes that wide frame. And he's got the movement skills, even when they challenge him and his lateral agility to mirror. I think that his movement skills will really translate to the zone run game, especially when you ask him to move a lot and outside zone. And the things that he's working on, don't. don't really bother you that much. I thought the timing of his punch, I'm like playing more games as a tackle and working with more coaching,

he will get down the timing of his punch. Yes, do I wish the force drive and power in the run game was better? But he's going to get stronger and he's going to get more comfortable. So the arrow is fully pointing up for this guy and I think he has a really good shot to be a top 50 pick

because this is kind of the mold that the NFL likes and has had a lot of success with. Yep. I, like I said, I felt like I saw a ton of potential in him last year and another year of tape for him. I really hope that he is a more of an ass kicker in the run game. Because if he is, yeah, we're going to talk about him like a top 50 player. Maybe even a fringe first round player. Yeah, if he starts to kick ass in the run game, I think he'd go in the top 20. Like, that's the difference.

I, you know, I didn't want to sound, you know, too bullish on him, but I'm glad that you said it because I definitely believe that. So that's our rising prospect from Fire TV. Look, if you guys ever sit down, you're ready to watch the game, only to search and scroll endlessly. We've all been there. So, if that's you, you need to Fire TV. It organizes all of your live games from your favorite teams all in one place across the apps, right on the home screen. No more searching. Find where the games are playing and easily subscribe to that streaming service as needed.

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Watch instantly, no downloads, or sign up fees, free on Fire TV. Last guy, I'm pretty sure this is the only guy that we have not talked about yet here. And that is Trevor Gooseby. Yeah. Got multiple Trevor's here. on the show. It's a good show. And you hate all of them. It's a good show. You have them at one.

I have them at three. I had prongos at two and I had seating at one. So you got them at one. I'll let you introduce Trevor Gooseby from Texas. Yeah, this is once again a player that is really easy to like when you just write down the measurables right away. I mean, six, 37, 325, Redshirt Jr. Started 13 games at left tackle for Texas last year. How about this? His brother is a guard on the basketball team. What's his stats?

What's the stats? I don't have the stats. Austin. Austin Guzby. Guse me. Brothers basketball stats. I mean, probably damn good because I'm pretty sure he was a big recruit, too. It's just amazing.

17 points. Yeah, no, he's good. He's not like a scrub. He's a really good player on Texas. Oh, that was in high school. But no, but he was a bigger crew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure.

So he's on Texas. Of course he was a bigger crew. Yeah. I mean, talk about just blessed with all kinds of traits to be a professional athlete. Big, long, strong, foot speed, lower half athleticism. I know there's moments where the people. pad level works against him. But I also saw a lot of moments of him concentrating on keeping his pad level in control. And that is incredibly hard to do at his stature where I'm really,

really, you know, optimistic when I watch the reps of how much he's focused on it. I remember this was a big thing for Joe Titman at Center. Everyone was like, how the hell is an interior offensive lineman going to be that tall? And Tipman was a guy at college that he really, really worked on it and it didn't it wasn't as big of a deal all the time and gooseby i think does the same thing he generates explosive knockdown power from his base explosive and there is you know we talk about a lot of these guys hey zone blocker zone blocker this guy as a drive blocker can just move defenders off the line of scrimmage as a drive blocker it's just like i'm bigger than you i'm stronger than you. I'm moving you from point A to point B, and we're going to run the ball right at you.

I think he's a plus plus run blocker, not plus plus, but I'll say a plus run blocker in any scheme. He's got the size and the athleticism to be a really good pass protector. Okay, he's got to clean up a couple things. You see the four penalties there. I think he needs to play with a wide base more consistently. I think he allowed some free rushers of lack of awareness of blitzers. But this, in a tackle class that you're kind of like looking for a dude like he always found something where you're like he doesn't have the length he doesn't have the size he doesn't have the feet like he's only this scheme he's only that scheme i thought this was the closest to being a dude i i think he does a lot of things really well and he's built like an NFL offensive tackle right i think that you mentioned it in a

in a downhill more man and gap scheme rum blocking concept i think that this guy can really move some people off the ball wouldn't love him in zone and that's that's again my biggest critique of him is that I just don't think he's super explosive or twitchy outside of that first step being like right in front of him. Right. Like if you're telling him, hey, fire off the ball and move this guy. I think that he can do that. But when it comes to like firing laterally or, you know, like you're turning to take on like

a stunt or a looper or whatever it is, I think that he struggles to do. those things. He is, he has great arm length, really good overall size. Grip strength is fantastic. You mentioned all of this stuff. Good posture and how he plays, really good eyes and awareness. So there is a lot of things to like about Trevor Goosby. I just, I'm going to put him under a microscope this season and just really focus in on do I think that you are a past protecting athlete? Like, do I think that you can really move to be on an island in the NFL and have the Twitch to really stay in front of people and recover and all that when things aren't exactly going to play in like it typically does against good NFL defensive coordinators and NFL edge rushers? So I'm a fan of this player, but I think there are guys who might have higher ceilings because of the athletic ability that they bring. And I think that that is just the difference in the rankings that we have here.

So there we go. I think we should actually read our lists now because we didn't do that as we went along. My number eight offensive tackle is Braden Zimmer from Montana State. Seven is Caden Green from Missouri. Six, Jacarious Peak from South Carolina. Five, Desmiel Lee from Youngstown State. Four, Elijah Page from USC. Three, Trevor Goosby from Texas.

Two, Nikki Prongos from Stanford. And number one is Jordan Seaton from LSU. Eight, Drew has a party from Washington, seven, Carrier's Peak, South Carolina, six, Jordan Seton, LSU, five, Caden Green, Missouri, four, Nikki Prongo, Stanford, three, Trevor Lauk, Iowa, two, PJ Williams, SMU, and one, Trevor Goosby, Texas. Yeah, I think it's worth mentioning again because we mentioned at the beginning of the show. We had Austin Saravelt as a guard. I had Trevor Loughke as a guard, and we both had Carter Smith, the left tackle for Indiana.

we both have him as an interior offensive lineman. I like him a lot as a center. If he was coming out of last year's class, I had him ranked with the centers, decently high because I think he's a good player. But I just don't think, to me, there's not really a point to keeping him at left tackle.

You're going to get all of the potential negatives of the lack of length that he has. And if you kick him inside to guard or specifically center, I just think that you get a really good football player. But we'd love to hear from you guys. We see a lot of super chats. We'll get to some of those in the after the episode portion

in the show here starting in a second. but we love to hear from you. Let us know in the comments section. Let us know in the Discord as well. I haven't shouted that out in a couple of episodes, and I should. The NFLSE Discord is popping at all time. So follow the link, which is in the description of the show, to get in there.

We've got a couple more positions that we're getting to. We've got safety and linebacker that's left. I don't know which one we decided we're going to go with, but we're going to try to get to both of them if the schedule lines up for it. But obviously college football season is getting really close, and obviously the NFL season is as well. I got a game Saturday. You got a game Saturday.

USC San Jose State, week zero. They got this man covering week zero. USC favored by 38 and a half points. Yeah, you get a good look at Elijah Page, number four offensive tackle in the... That's right. That's what I'm going to yell in the screening room. That right there. That's Elijah Page.

Well, just as human. You got to let him know. And somebody in there is going to be like, yeah, I know, I'm an addict. Because I feel like the addicts are absolutely... Oh, they'd be like, yeah, I know. I'm on TV talking about college football. Sit your ass down. Let us know what you think of our offensive tackle rankings.

Give us your offensive tackle rankings. And we will be back with another episode of Summers Scouting coming to you guys next Monday. For the chef behind the scenes, making it all happen, dealing with all of our shenanigans here during this show specifically. For Connor Rogers, I'm Trevor Sikima saying thank you guys so much for watching this episode of the NFL Stocky Shane show. We will see you guys next Monday.