NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 2027 NFL Draft QB Rankings (SUMMER SCOUTING!)

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

SUMMER SCOUTING HAS ARRIVED!!!!! Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their Top 12 QB Rankings for the 2027 NFL draft in their first episode of the 2027 Summer Scouting Series. WE'RE TRYING TO GET 75K SUBS ON YOUTUBE! PLZ HELP US BY SUBSCRIBING TO OUR CHANNEL! It's 100% free and helps us out a bunch. Thanks! WE HAVE A DISCORD!!!!! JOIN HERE! https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW?feature=description if the link doesn't work for you, just search 'NFLStockExchange' on discord and it'll pop up Follow us on X: https://x.com/NFLSEshow https://x.com/TampaBayTre https://x.com/ConnorJRogers We appreciate each and every one of you ADDICTS :) For business or other inquiries, reach us at [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Connor, congratulations. Start bench cut. Becoming a father. Nix NBA title. You're going to make this bad cut being a father? I'll do it. I'll do it. Team USA gold medal and overtime.

Give him the solo camp. Give him the solo camp for now. Cut. Becoming a father, the Knicks NBA title. Is the start. It's absolutely the start, obviously. And the bench is Team USA is beautiful. And Cameron, if you see any clips of me being, that beginning part being cut out,

it was AI. I'm being set up. You will always, you will always be the start. cut. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Damn it. It's the quarterback episode of Summer Scouting. We had to get it in. Damn right. Trevor Sikkim and Connor Rogers, back after some technical difficulties with you guys to talk about what is set up to be a legendary, legendary quarterback class. Connor, what I was saying before I, you know, the chat so rudely let me know that I was completely muted is that before the 2026 draft was even over,

people couldn't wait to get to the 2027 class. So today, way too early mucks. We actually get to the tape. We took a look at, well, I watched 29, 30 quarterbacks for this. Yeah, you got to find Jesus. Brother, he was right here next to me watching the tape. He's interested as well. Jesus subscribes to the show.

We know that. I am sure, though, super chats and wine and bread. as it, yes, as it is tradition around these parts, I could have watched 60 quarterbacks and you're still going to have somebody on your list that I didn't watch. I know it. I don't know this year. I'm sure of it.

This is like a fun thing we do every year is finding some niche player after Trevor watches 100 prospects at a position group and I find someone that he didn't. I watched, I think 23, 22, so you guys, got a good six quarterback lead on me here. We'll see how it goes. I think this group, everybody's going to recognize the names of the top

because this class is already being held as, you know, a big improvement from last year. And you'll see, can 10 guys go in the first round and no, that's not going to happen. But it has a lot of, can 10 quarterbacks go in the top five?

You know, that's happening. The stuff I've already seen on Sorsby since he had to apply for the supplemental draft is, Like we're cranking up the takes, cranking them up. We have to have the Soursby conversation today because I don't know when else we will. He went from not being in the show to then being on this show where I had him in my rankings. And now he's not on the show again in the rankings.

Yeah, he co-hosted the show at one point. But now he does say that he actually wants to go in the supplemental draft and playing in the NFL. So we will talk about him. I'll talk about where I had him in terms of these rankings, like where he's. he would have been. And I feel like that's a very natural way to talk about the Sources Soresby situation as the stands today with him getting in the supplemental draft. Some people point- It's like a cover band. The Soresby situation.

The Sorsby situation, actually. They open up at the hell in a cell bar with only ACDC songs. I was going to ask what kind of cover band they are. They only play ACDC songs, but none of the good ones. ACDC is a, that's a tough one. That's a tough one to, I mean, outside of- love or hate kind of thing. There's not really a lot of casual ACDC.

I don't think I've ever seen anybody attempt an ACDC karaoke. Not a good idea. No. It won't be easy to replicate. We're ranking our top 12 quarterbacks for the 2027 NFL draft. I didn't even ask the chef how the graphics go. Chef, are we going seven through 12? Yeah, it's going to be seven through 12 and then one through six.

Nice. There we go. There we go. All right. So we'll go seven through 12. and then we'll go one through six and we'll talk about these quarterbacks here. So without further ado,

it's going to be a long one. We got a lot of quarterbacks to get to and especially at the end of the episode, we know that some of you guys shout out, hey, what do you think about this player? What do you think about this player? And we'll get to some thoughts of some guys that maybe didn't make the top 12.

Well, let's fire away. Connor, I think the animation has your list coming up first. And there it is. Lenora Sellers from South Carolina at number seven. Jade Mayava from USC at number eight. DeMond Williams from Washington I knew it would happen No

That's the one I didn't watch someone I didn't watch someone Williams Okay That's not crazy I watched 30 How is this possible The first reveal

How is this possible I don't know You We're gonna have to start with him Yeah I think we are You got Derry Mentsa at 10 Who was at Duke And now he transferred over to Miami

Sam Levitt who was at Arizona State, transferred over to LSU, and then you got John McTeer at number 12. Yeah, so Trevor and I, to do the show kind of the old school way, instead of ranking 15 or 20, we're ranking 12 quarterbacks, and then we'll have the honorable mention conversation. So, you know, I saw right in the way, right in the beginning of the chat, or Jake Lindsay.

Or dishonorable. Or the dishonorable mention. Yeah, yeah. I don't even want to act like this guy exists. Right. Maybe it's not the honorable mention. Maybe it's a dishonorable. I'm pissed as hell.

I watched them. Yeah. So you'll see, you'll hear plenty of names or maybe you won't during the conversation. TV Lowry in the chat said Trevor slacking, I guess. I'll find you. Okay.

It's so unfair to Trevor. It's so unfair and Trevor who watched 30 quarterbacks. There has to be like 10 out of that group that might not even get drafted. I have a chance of getting drafted. And I have somebody that, you know, I mean, I had like six UDFA grades.

And I didn't watch a guy who made your top 10. It's just unbelievable. But anyway. Yeah, I think part of that is, though, too. You know, I mean, to be fair with DeMond Williams, he's somebody that right off the bat, you know, he's just under, he's under six feet tall. I'm on a spring height at 5, 10 and a half.

Like, that is really, that is really short for a quarterback. And the reason, I guess we'll just start right, get right into it. The reason he did come in at 9 for me, and I think some people would be like, wow, top 10. I this quarterback class was fun to watch. I didn't come away with the opinion that I think a lot of people are already running with that this is a great quarterback class today. I think it has promise,

but it's not like the ninth ranked quarterback on my list is a second rounder, right? That's where I think it gets kind of crazy when you hear, like you said, Trevor, 10 guys can go in the top five. Right, right. People always look at whether it's the ceiling or the highs and the highlight tape of a guy where, you know, and then they kind of run with what he could be. So right away, get into the good, because I do have him nine, and I don't want to take away from that.

And besides the fact, like, yes, he's a small quarterback. This guy is every definition of a dual threat playmaker. I mean, you watch him right away, right away, you go, oh, wow, like, this is not the same caliber because I think people quickly forget how amazing at the time or electric at the time a prospect Kyler Murray was. But he plays and does things in a. manner that can remind you of Kyler Murray at times. Maybe it's not that caliber because Kyler's arguably the greatest high school quarterback of all time and what he accomplished in college

and, you know, his arm strength at his size was pretty unique. But with this guy, he's got enough arm strength. You notice it on the deep ball specifically. I've watched him throw 50 yards in the air opposite hash, like down the sideline. Where I'm like, okay, He could push the ball down the field. I'm not saying he's going to drop back and throw a hundred mile per hour laser in a tight window over the middle of the field, which is probably question number one after the height is that I'm not convinced he sees the middle of the field well enough. Whole force throws, whole miss zone dropping defenders roaming in the middle of the field. And that is just always the number one thing that I think is going to come up when people go,

okay, short, but how does it affect his game? When short quarterbacks don't see the middle of the field well, you have to be concerned that that's only become more difficult at the next level. So, but when the good of this guy is that he throws a pretty deep ball down the field, he tries to push the ball down the field on third and longs. His running style is, running style is very similar to Kyler. I mean, he had 791 rushing yards last year. He had 44 mistackles forced, a 0.36 mistackles force rate. that is a high number. I mean, he is very, very elusive and hard to bring down.

And that's as a playmaker trying to buy more time or as a pure runner. And when pass rushers get to him, he's got this quick stop and start in this Twitch to make them miss. And he's small. So it's a smaller strike zone. But it just goes back to really two things besides the height for me. The middle of the field throwing and that lack of consistent timing and rhythm throwing the middle of the field.

And then he's a very gift. athlete in terms of a college runner. But the games against Ohio State, Michigan, and Oregon, three teams that you know what you're seeing NFL caliber defenders on those units. Those three games last year, they held him to a combined 69 rushing yards. And they lost all three of those games by double digit points. So is he just a dynamic runner against bad to average competition, but against NFL caliber defenders?

he's just an average runner, not a dynamic playmaker. That's what we have to kind of see this year. So, DeMont Williams, fun player to watch, has some armed talent, unique dual threat, very small. There's growing pains for sure, but I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah, I mean, for these smaller quarterbacks, it's not a kiss of death if your measurables are very small for the NFL, but you've got to be able to do certain things. Like, there really is a baseline.

I mean, I had Bryce Young as my top quarterback in the draft that he was. was coming out in 2023. And it's because, okay, even though he was smaller, he anticipated things so well. He would attack over the middle of the field. He do a lot of this. And Bryce wasn't even the fastest player, but it's just the way that he anticipated things. I felt like he could make up for it. Obviously, even a player like Bryce gets to the NFL, and we've seen over the last couple

of years, that he can struggle. I think the tough part with Williams and his measurables that I'm just looking at right here. I mean, if he's truly like 5, 10 and a half, that's first percentile. And the weight specifically, right? Right. Kyler was at the combine at 207. I bet Kyler is probably like 215, what he plays at in the NFL,

215, 220, because he's been, you know, in the NFL for a couple of years now. I mean, 190 is without even close, you know, 0th percentile in the NFL. His spring rate, his spring weight, he got up to 195. So it's going the right direction. But it's still light. I mean, even 195 is, let me see here, first percentile. So it's not zeroth percentile. It would be it would be first percentile.

So this is an outlier. in every single way. And so I have to watch this player, but smaller, lighter, he better be one hell of an athlete because even even the best examples that we can think of, right? Kyler, his athleticism, everything, like Kyler has struggled in the league. Now we had a year where he was phenomenal. I can't remember what year that was. But so like it worked out for it hasn't been consistent for Kyler.

No. He obviously had the injury, which, you know, threw a wrench at all that. But Bryce has struggled. And it's just harder. It's really, really hard. Now, I have a smaller quarterback in my top five that I'm excited to talk about. But there's it. It can definitely be sometimes an insurmountable mountain that you have to climb over when you are a smaller quarterback, even for those that have maybe better arm strength than you might expect.

It's just a tough journey for him. It definitely is. And that's how a guy this talented ends up at nine where like it's just a barrier. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's a barrier. When you're that small and you have small quarterback limitations.

I didn't, and I really liked some of the tape. I didn't even ever consider him putting him in, forget the top five. Obviously, he wasn't in the top eight. Right. And I like the, and this is, by the way, after taking Soresby out, I had Sorsby ahead of him. So right before I took Sorsby out, he was quarterback 10. In a bucket, you know, let's go, if we can go back to the quarterback rankings, I would have him tiered with Mentsa, Levitt, and Meteer.

Like that would be a group together for me. in a tier. And then when you get to Maiava and Sorsby would be in this range and sellers, that would be a different tier. So I don't think he's as good as you know, Mayava and Sellers, but he definitely is in that big bucket with

the, it's funny because DeMond Williams, Sam Levin and Matier are kind of these athlete quarterbacks. And Mensa, you know, as we'll have the METSA conversation, is really more trying to play a game of precision and smarts rather than beat you

physically, totally. Let's reveal my 7 to 12 because there's, there's some overlap here. And there's a couple of players that I don't have it on my list that I'm curious if you have on your list that I wanted to mention. So at number seven, I've got Julian San from Ohio State. Eight, Lenora Sellers, so we're pretty even on sellers. You have them at seven. I have them at eight. I have Sam Levin at nine. You have him at 11. I have CJ Carr at 10. And, you know, I watch a couple more games of CJ Car not long ago, a couple of days ago. there's certainly argument for him to be a little bit higher on this list. It really is just, it comes down to, hey, one year sample size from him.

There's a lot of good that he does. There's things that I want to see better. So it's kind of hard because it's like, all right, well, sure, I could just sit here and project that he's going to get way better and take that next step. But does he? I'm always a little bit more skeptical on doing that nowadays. But I do like CJ Carr a decent amount. I have him at number 10.

John Matere at 11 and Josh Hoover at number 12. You brought up this name. So I'm very, I'm very curious. Where is Drake Lindsay for you? Drake Lindsay did not make my top 12. Drake Lindsay did not make my top five, top 12 either. So Drake Lindsay is the quarterback for Minnesota. And I know I'm putting the chef in the top spot because he doesn't have a, he doesn't

have a slide for him. You don't need to have a slide for him. Look at him on the move. But look at this. So this is the consensus. I think it's from mock draft database. Oh, wow. I've not looked at this yet on purpose, but this is the time to.

Drake Lindsay's 43. Wow. He's a, and like I've seen people talk about Drake Lindsay as a like number one overall pick type of like top 10 type of quarterback. I did not see that at all from him. I'm, I'm going to be honest with you. I felt like he, okay, yeah, he's got the size. He's six foot five, two 30. But to me, he doesn't have like this howitzer of an arm.

He has a good arm, but he doesn't have this howitzer of an arm that you would have. expect from a player who's 6-5-2-30, the lower body when it comes to like mechanics are all over the place for him. I feel like his throwing mechanics are also really inconsistent. There are just throws that he should not miss that he misses too often, far too often. I think that the middle of the field throws, the ones that you kind of practice a lot, he's got a decent amount of muscle memory to that. But the short throws, the touch throws, the deep throws, like, man, I felt like he really struggle and he is not mobile at all whatsoever at all dude at all whatsoever so to me after i had my ranking and then i kind of went and looked at consensus that was the one that really really stood out to me

i think c j bailey has a long way to go as well he did not make my top 12 um but yeah i just i was very curious where you were going to have drake lindsay because of all the hype that i had heard around him but yeah he did not make my top 12 i think he is far too erratic right now i'm with you i heard I could feel the hype, like when you're just kind of, you follow enough people in the draft industry and you see people. It's like, okay, enough people are tweeting about this guy and I got to watch him. You know, and Lindsay's only a redshirt sophomore, watching him to me, I was just like, he's not even close. And if he has a great year and declares and going the first round, like, I will tip my cap. Because there's plenty of times where I thought a quarterback was far away and they play them themselves into the NFL.

And, you know, it just surprises you. I watched him. It just thought, Trevor, two things that kind of. linked together. One you brought up, he's just not a threat to run. He's not nimble. He's not fluid moving the pocket. So then that brings me to number two. When he can't evade pressure, and he struggles to evade pressure often, his process becomes rushed and he just makes horrible decisions. And listen, he's a really young quarterback. Like that, he can grow out of that. And I think he will. But he just hasn't right now, as you're looking at a guy that's a redshirt

sophomore big i do like the arm um and i thought the process got better towards the end of the year i thought there was a couple games during the regular season down the stretch where i was like okay the the process is speeding up a little bit but yeah and i would keep in mind with consensus right now there's probably not a lot of people that have done rankings to this depth no no there's not but i i've even i even saw some i try to avoid it as much as i can before we do the episodes but i even saw people talking about him on, you know, Twitter and Instagram. Oh, yeah. People are excited about him. I just, he, he unfortunately reminds me of just these, these big quarterbacks that are way too

inconsistent. And I, and I just feel like people are falling for that again with him. Now, like you said, he was a young quarterback. He could take a massive step up this, this next year. And if he does, I'm with you. Tip my hat to him. And we'll talk about him as a top quarterback. But I think he's a far way away away from becoming that. Yeah, and I see Chase in the chat goes it's not a quarterback's job to run. Listen, I get it, but you're not listening to the point. It's not his job to run. But if you can't run and then when you're dealing with pressure and you're not mentally equipped,

your process is fast enough to work through that, that's a growing pain. And he can grow through that. But right now he hasn't been able to as a really young quarterback. That's the point. It's not a quarterback's job specifically to run, but it is a quarterback's job to facilitate and make plays. There you go. So if you can't run, if you can't extend plays, if you can't avoid sacks, you better

be getting the ball out of your hands really quick. And in the underneath stuff and in the quick game, I thought he was, again, really inconsistent. I thought the footwork was a mess. I thought the release of his was a mess. I thought when he tried to put touch on passes that were either short, he was better. I feel like it's some of the middle of the field throws, like the intermediate throws, because you just practice those a lot, right?

Like when you're just thrown to a wide receiver, where are they normally standing? probably somewhere like 15, 20 yards down the field. You just throw that a lot. So you got a lot of muscle memory with that. It's those quick under pressure throws underneath. Okay, like I need to know exactly how to layer this football. Do I need to put air onto it? Do I need to get it out quick?

Do I need a sidearm or something like that? I felt like you struggle to be able to do that. So, yes, it's not a quarterback's job to run. It is a quarterback's job to make plays. And what we're here to do is to judge how well we think they could make plays. Sometimes that's in structure, but sometimes it's not. And when it's not, you've got to be able to get the ball out consistently to be able to do that at the NFL level. So let's go back to the rankings.

We had a couple of quarterbacks that I think overlapped here. I think we should start with, well, you want to talk about sellers? We've talked about sellers quite a bit. And so I think this one could be a little bit shorter because we introed him in last year summer scouting, I believe. But Lenore seller is the quarterback for South Carolina. He's a redshirt junior going into this season. the fact of the matter is about as physically gifted as they come, right? Six foot three and a half, 245 pounds.

I mean, this dude, you want to talk about people who have arm talent. This dude has a cannon of an arm, and he is a great deep ball thrower. I mean, when it comes to him uncorking at 40, 50, even 60 yards down the field, this dude can absolutely do it and he can put it right on his receivers. He has some very, very impressive deep throws. But it's the underneath stuff. that has been really inconsistent from him dealing with pressure, which South Carolina's offensive line has not been great.

But it's given him some, I guess, bad processes, and it's just been a bad environment for him to try to get better. I do think that he was better in 2025 than he was, you know, 2024. Because a lot of the things that, a lot of the critiques that you and I had of Lenora Sellers going into the season last year, they're still there. But I think they're a little bit better. And I think his strengths shined a little bit brighter in 2025. So it did get better for him.

But to me, it was just, it was the same story of just too inconsistent, too inconsistent with where the ball went, how he dealt with pressure, how he navigated the pocket. I mean, he avoids sacks as well as I've seen anybody because of how strong he is physically. But he's got to be able to do the easy things. You've got to be able to make the layups a lot easier and a lot more consistently than what we've seen from 7.

even in 2025. I liked him more than I thought I would, and I say that as someone that did not like him at all last summer. I mean, when people were like, this guy could be the next first round, Tulsie quarterback last summer, and then I turned on the film, that just did him a disservice because I was so wildly disappointed.

I was like, this guy is not, you know, a pro quarterback in terms of down-by-down consistency at all. Now, like you said, Trevor, the moments are, wow, can he throw the ball? He can run. He can run through tacklers. I know he's just going to get the constant Anthony Richardson stuff. Yeah, he's now played more college ball and is going to play more college ball. And I think is progressing better than him as a passer, where I was pleasantly

surprised what he did last year with without much help at all. Now he's still seventh for me. The sack rate, yes, the offensive line was bad. But we're talking about a play. that had an 11th percentile sack rate in 2024 and then a second percentile sack rate last year. Like he is just taking, he has now taken 71 sacks over the last two years. I guess I should have clarified. No, I know what you meant, though. When players are trying to tackle him, his ability to break tackles and get out of

tackles is unreal. But the sack, he has to with their line. Taking the sacks, you're right. Yeah. It's been a problem for him over the last two seasons. Yeah. So that's a huge. And that goes back to the process overall.

And you look at how the completion percentage drops, you know, when it pressured at all. He just is a player that I feel like still doesn't have a feel for his checkdowns and his outlets when there's trouble. He needs to protect the ball as a runner because he is a pretty gifted, powerful runner. But yeah, very tools up player that did make some strides last year, but not the strides people were hoping for. And I'm rooting for him this year because I think he was in a bad situation last year. and I would really like to see him kind of kill the narrative that it's just Anthony Richardson all over again. But, you know, today he's not a first round quarterback. Yeah, I mean, Anthony Richardson goes in the top 10, right?

And, I mean, he had less experience and he basically had the same type of tape that Lenora Sellers did. And you could even argue that, like, Sellers has better tape. And I think that I would argue that. And yet, and yet Richardson still went top 10. So we can say all this stuff that we want about Lenora Sellers. But if he, from, from 2024, we said that he took a step up in 2025. There were moments where it was better for him in 2025.

If he takes like the same step forward, even like that little bit of a amount, there is a chance that, well, I think if he takes a little bit of a step up, I almost think it's going to be a lot for him to go in the first round. And then it's just a matter of, yeah,

does he go in the top 10? So we can sit here and we can talk about how well we actually think he is going to play at the NFL level. But a lot of these teams who are the ones who are actually investing in the player. He's so gifted, I would just have a very hard time thinking that he's not going to be a first round quarterback. Yep.

I would probably agree knowing how teams get at the end of round one with somebody. And like you said, yes, and take a step forward. This version of him will not go in the first round, but it's there for him to at least take one step forward. Yep. Okay. So let's talk John Matier and Sam Levitt. I think we could talk about those two guys because.

both of them are a little bit smaller of prospects. They're right around 6-1, 6-1-5. Right around like 210, 2-15, right? I mean, I think that that's sort of how these guys are built. The chef's got Mateer's graphic up, so we get hit Mateer really quickly first. Mateer's going to be a red shirt senior. Sam Lev is going to be a redshirt junior.

But Mateer was a former three-star quarterback, started his career at Washington State. Now, I guess this is important. I should have mentioned this. He was also a right-handed pitcher and a shortstop in high school. So he played a lot of baseball. And I think that you could see that in the style in which he plays quarterback. There's sort of that baseball release and how he wants to get rid of the ball.

And sort of just like how he is when the ball is in his hands. He moves like a really good and natural athlete because of the dual sport background that he has. Redshirted when he was at Washington State. It was Cam Ward's backup in 2023. He started every game in 2024. then he transferred to Oklahoma, played a, started all, well, started 12 games for Oklahoma last year.

He had that thumb hand injury that, I don't know, I don't know about derailed his season, but it complicated his season, I guess I would say. I think that Mateer has, Mateer's got a lot of moxie to his game. He is a,

he is a gamer type of a player. He's the kind of quarterback when it's going good, you feel really good about it. It's a little bit. of that Baker Mayfield vibe. Now, I think Mayfield's got a much stronger arm the material, so I'm not going to say that that's his comp. But to me, he does have that Baker Mayfield vibe to him

where you're just waiting for him to make these big plays, and he'll hold on to the football a little bit longer. He'll avoid some pressure in the pocket. He'll be rolling outside and you can't take your eyes off him. We're like, what's this guy going to do next? But I think he's really good when it comes to the quickness of his game, how quickly his feet move, how quickly the ball gets out of his hand, like some processing stuff.

I feel like he's very, very quick with how he operates. But when you really have to push the ball deep down the field, he's got to put his whole body into throws. And I think that the arm talent is just below average for the NFL level. And it's hard for me to bet on players that are smaller in size. And then also I don't believe have above average arm talent. It's tough in that regard. So there are some fun things about how.

he plays, that escapeability, that ability to extend plays, how he operates outside of the pocket. I think that those things are fun and you want to believe in him. But it's a lot of the throws that you need to attempt in the NFL, the really tight window throws, the middle of the field throws, being able to threaten deep down the field and really make sure that the safeties are honest. he's got to put everything that he's got into some of those throws and then even then it's kind of sometimes not enough. So I just think that this is a physically limited player,

albeit a fun one. He is. He is a fun college player. When you watch him, there are things with him, whether it's the arm angles, times that he could whip the ball, sidearm, the way he can move.

You look at, before he got hurt in 2025, weeks one to four, the production as a runner and a passer catches your attention right away. He's twitchy as an escape artist and then he can go into open field run mode and it's like he's not done.

He didn't just escape to throw. He can run and make you miss and beat you with his legs. And, you know, you want to get the full John Matier experience. If you want to watch some of the prospects we talk about on this show, just watch the LSU game last year. That was the, I believe, the last regular season game.

Yeah. So, man, he throws three picks. He makes some big balls throws. Like, it's just, it's the full John Mateer. Yeah. We always joke about the Michael Vick experience. Yeah, commercial. Yeah, the John Matier experience.

Meteer is like, you might get stuck up there on the roller coaster at some point, and they got to get you down. But, boy, the highs are going to be a lot of fun. It's pretty crazy. But you're right, Trevor. The only thing that, I don't know if I disagree with you on, but I think I see a little differently. I think he has a strong enough arm.

I think he is so messy mechanically that it looks bad a lot. But that's how he's going to be. Yeah, no, you're right. He's got to put the whole body into the clothes. It's not an excuse. That's why he's QB12 for me. He plays like a trick shot quarterback.

And it's like, dude, you can't make that throw like dude perfect. Dude perfect quarterback. Yeah. Dude perfect quarterback. You got to make that throw with your base. And it's maddening because the highs with him are like, they get you excited and it's fun at the college level. Yeah. And, you know, he is a shorter quarterback.

He's about six feet tall and a half inch. He's up to 220 now. So he's filled out his frame for sure. And a lot of it is that one read and run. I think when he has to play in structure, like the last eight games of last year. And that's when he came back early from the injury, which is really, really tough. He had hand surgery and he came back like 17 days later. Yeah.

Kind of crazy. He had 16 turnover worthy plays in those eight games after coming back. Yeah. Like part of that is he wasn't healthy and part of that is he could get reckless. So I'm excited to watch him this year, but he's got to throw a change up more often and just try to play with a little bit more poise, I would say. Yeah, and you know what my, we'll get to Sam Levin in a second. But, like, my last point about Mateer here is, I think to continue the baseball analogy,

I think he just wants to throw the fastball every time. And when I watch him, like, everything was just, it was a fastball. It was as on a rope as it possibly could be. And you have to do that. Obviously, you have to do that. But it's really important to have a change up in your bag. You have to be able to layer throws and float throws and have touch passes. and for a player like Mateer,

who doesn't have a howitzer of an arm, he throws fastball all the time. And there are plenty of throws that I feel like I watched from him in 2025 where he's trying to fit it in between two defenders, but he's trying to do it on like a frozen rope. And it's like, man, if you just would have put a little bit of air, if you would have popped past that, it would have went straight to the receiver

who was in between where those zones were. So to me, he's got to have that change up that he could go to. there's got to be a world where he can fit a little bit more air under these passes. Not everything has to be this rifle. And I felt like that's the type of quarterback that he wanted to play last year. I wonder how much the hand and the pressing, maybe mentally even went into that. But we'll see.

We'll see what John Matier. But right now I think that he's firmly a day three quarterback type of a player. Sam Levitt, he was at Arizona State. Now he's at LSU. If people remember summer scouting from last year, I was a huge Sam Levitt fan. I think that even though he's built a little bit smaller, six one and a half, two 15,

the preferred walk-on guys, I was texting them about Sam Levitt, and I think it was Dalton who said like, he's Zach Wilson. And I'm like, oh my God, he's Zach Wilson. He is a smaller quarterback, but as a much better arm than you would expect from a player who's a little bit smaller, both of them had that escapeability and athleticism to them, but both of them were really erratic in how they got rid of the football. And whenever the competition was really ramping up, they didn't really play well against it.

They put the ball in harm's way. So many turnover worthy plays for Sam Levitt last year just did not respect the defense nearly as much as he needed to. And the throwing motion could sometimes be a mess. The footwork can sometimes be a mess. And it really is like this guy just watches Johnny Mansell highlights before every single game. And he goes, hell yeah, brother.

because I think I'm going to do that. I think he is really physically gifted, especially for his size. I think he has, I think Sam Levitt has one of the better arms in this class. There are players who have more weight and more height than he does that we're going to talk about that. Sam Levitt's got a cannon. And I think that he's got all the physical ability to be able to play at the NFL level, but it is just far too erratic. And he goes big game hunting, as Nate Tice will often say far too much.

you need to be able to attempt the difficult and deep throws. There's no doubt about it. You have to attempt those and complete those throws at the NFL level to win football games. So he's not afraid of those throws, but I fear that he seeks them out too often. So there are just too many inconsistencies with Sam Levitt for me to put him in my top 10 again this year. Yeah. I think we see him, you know, pretty much the same way. I wish I wrote down what game it was, but I did write down.

my notes, because his throws while scrambling to his right are just wild. There was one last year. He loves to do it. He loves to do it where he threw the ball 65 yards in the air and put the ball right on the wide receiver whilst rolling to his right. Now, doesn't look the same throwing to his left. It does not. Short and intermediate.

But rolling to his right. Well, when he goes to the left, he forgets the Johnny Mansell highlights. You just go straight to Derek Cheater highlights. He just does the jump and the full body. Like that's what he's trying to do. I can't in good faith just do a whole thing how Matia is a dude perfect quarterback and then overlook Sam Levitt being a smaller quarterback that plays like a small quarterback. Backwards Drifter.

Yes. 7% sack rate in 2025. He played seven games and he took 20 sacks. That's 21st percent out. Like, it's just a small quarterback that plays like a small quarterback with John Elway throws mixed in like every now and then where you're like, what the hell was that? But the other problem is, too, there's a lot of times where he put his past catchers in really dangerous situations playing like that. And so I'm curious because LSU usually has great athletes. I'm curious to see what that looks like this year.

If he could be healthy, he had the list Frank that basically ended his season last. year. I think in all seriousness, he needs to work on a cleaner catch and run ball in the dump off game and the screen game. So if he can clean up some of those things, he will be a better college quarterback. But like last year, I still have serious reservations. He plays college football the way that you all out there play mad. Like that's right. That's how he play. Like you said, drifting in the pocket. Crazy extension throws, you know, like run into your left and right. getting out of the pocket, not caring at all if the defense absolutely breaks the spine in half of your wide receiver, you're getting that first down and we're subbing somebody else into the

game. Like there are plays like that with Sam Levin, but he's got so much talent. He was a Gatorade football player of the year in Oregon when he was a senior in high school. His dad played a little bit in the NFL. Like he has the talent. His brother was his NFL safety. Oh, dude, was his brother safety? Yeah. Oh, no, you're right. You're right. It was his brother who played a little bit in the NFL. Not his dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's hard for me to quit Sam Levitt, totally. But at this point in time, I got to see a lot more consistency.

So we'll see if it gets that with Lane at LSU this year. All right, what do we have left in this group? Okay, so Darien Mentsay and Jaden Maiava I have in my 1 through 6. And I have car and mine. Do you have sand in yours at all or did saying not make your talk about? And I have saying in mine. Okay. But, yeah, no, let's, we'll wait on that one a little bit.

No, we'll wait on that one. I want to hear you talk about Hoover. Okay, sure. Because I talked about my small quarterback in this tier in DeMah Williams. And then you have your own in this tier in Josh Hoover. Yeah, Josh Hoover, who is now the quarterback in Indiana. He was at TCU, I think the entire time. I think, yeah, he red shirt in 2022, six starts in 2023, 13 starts in 2024, 12 starts

last year in 2025, all for TCU. He was a four-star quarterback, played high school football in Texas. Oh, I forgot. He was initially actually committed to Indiana when he was in high school, but he flipped to TCU. So now he's back in Indiana, or committed to Indiana, I should say, for his final year of college football eligibility. He was also a pitcher in high school, so you can see a little bit of the baseball

background and how he plays the position. What's the Indiana got him listed at? Can you look at this up really quick? Yeah, I will. Because I saw. I saw what was he what was he officially

6-200 and I promise you he is not yeah so Ryan Roberts at rising rise in draft on on Twitter does a great job covering the NFL draft as well he was tweeting out some official measurements that

that we get kind of like behind the scenes and he pointed out the fact that Indiana not exactly telling the truth with Josh Hoover's height. He is shorter than six feet. He is right around 200 pounds. And that would put him basically at like first or second percentile in both height and weight.

So he is, he is a smaller quarterback. There's no doubt about it. I think that Hoover, when I was watching his tape from TCU, first of all, my first real exposure to him was watching him live in that UNC game that opened the season last year.

He was great. He was fantastic. So I sort of went in. into his tape and went into my thoughts on him, like on a very good note. Really compact throwing motion. It's a smooth yet snappy sort of flick of the wrist release. So I think that he gets the ball out very quickly. I think he's a nice touch passer.

We talk about touch being an emphasis. I'll continue to say that word more and more as I talk about the quarterbacks within my top five. He can hit those in the bucket throws 20, 30 yards down the field. He's got that natural athleticism to him from the multi-sport background when he played baseball. I think that when it comes to the timing routes as well and a little bit more of the quick game, he's pretty good at that. When the first read is open, he knows how to hit those wide receivers in rhythm very quickly once the ball gets into his hand.

Really small for the NFL level. I think the arm talents below average. That's why I got him sort of as a fringe top 12 quarterback here. I don't think that he's got like this huge arm. I think the lower measurables go into the overall arm talent that he has. The sidearm release from him that he'll sometimes go to, you know, it gets the ball out quick. there's no doubt about it, but it takes a little bit of velocity and power away from how he's

getting the ball out of his hands. I think that when you watch a smaller quarterback, I'm always curious, do they put more of their body into passes? And Hoover is one of those players. And I think the way that he does that is he opens up. So you know how like a lot of people talk about, hey, you know, point your shoulders to your target as a quarterback. You know, you've got the ball here.

You're going to follow through. You're going to kind of come across the body. Tom Brady always say, you know, when you're throwing the ball, put the thumb in your, in your front pocket. That's sort of how you're supposed to sort of finish your motion. And you've obviously got that torque with your core. Hoover, instead of being sort of square to his target, which everybody's a little bit different. I'm not a stickler for, you got to do it exactly this way.

But Hoover very much has an open stance. His hips are very open. So the reason why he does that is because he is smaller and he's got to put a little bit more of his body, a little bit more motion into it. So it's not as snappy and it's not as powerful with his core, which when you open up your feet and when you open up your hips,

it can just lead to some inaccuracies, especially when you have a little bit more of a sidearm release like he likes to go to as well. So that's sort of a fundamental thing that again, when I'm watching smaller quarterbacks, you sort of watch for these tells of how do you put a little bit more of your body into throws? And do you do so in a way

where all of a sudden I kind of have to think, well, how repeatable is this? Is it going to affect your accuracy? Is it going to affect more importantly your ball placement? And Hoover is a nice natural passer. Like I said, basically anything between 30, 40 yards in, I think that he can deliver the football pretty well. But it's one of those things in his motion that I noticed with him

about how he kind of overcomes those smaller measurables. And I think he's just got the, he doesn't have the get out of trouble physical traits, right? Whether that is his speed, whether that is his overall arm talent, to being able to release it late and really zip throws in there. So this is somebody who I think could play at the NFL level, but given the lack of physical gifts and the lack of physical stature,

I think that it's much more of just a mid to late day three, kind of a backup quarterback projection for Hoover right now. He should have a monster year, though, production-wise, throwing on one of the best receiver duos in the country in that offense. Like, he chose correctly on where to go to maximize what he has. All right. Who do you want to talk about next? I think we covered a lot of this group

until we blend over to our next group of rankings. How far up do you have Maya? Myava actually is six, I think. So it would be Mayava we talk about next. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You sold that like Myava was going to be number two. I thought you said Mensa. I thought you said Mensa, which was the big smile for me.

I have Jade Maiava actually at five. I have Jade Maiava. Okay. So we'll talk about, we can talk about Maya. Yeah, we should talk about Maya. Okay, let's talk about Maya. Quick before we release these one through sixes. Jade Maya, myava, thoughts.

I feel like I just talked a bunch about Hoover. What do you think about Jade Maya? I thought, because I watched him for last year's draft, thinking he could easily declare and go at the end of round one with how weak last year's class was and some of the things he showed last year. He's someone to me that, like having Lenore's sellers over him is a completely. ceiling play. Jaden Miava is a better quarterback today,

where if some of these guys don't tap into their ceiling that are in front of him, he could be the fourth or fifth quarterback taken in this draft easily. What I like about Jaden Miava, besides the fact that he's a legit six four, 218 pounds is that he throws one of the most catchable balls in the entire class. Yes, over and over again. Yes, he does.

It's like that's the thing that I think people undervalue a lot when just watching college football in the moment is that having this level of touch, I wrote down, he is just mastered the nine iron. Like when you watch his nine iron throws, it is just perfect over and over again and it looks the same over and over again. And he doesn't have to do all this crazy shit to get from point A to B. It's just a nice looking, consistent, in rhythm kind of catchable ball. The second thing, and if you do these two things well, you have a shot to be a damn good quarterback.

After throwing such a catchable ball, he doesn't take sacks. He had a 2.6% sack rate last year. That's 93rd percent off. So he throws a great ball and he doesn't take sacks. That's a big part of playing quarterback at the NFL level. And you're hearing me say all these things. You're like, Connor, why do you have him at eight? Because summer scouting is a lot.

Summer scouting is a lot. Yeah, this is fraudulent. Summer scouting is a lot different than finalized scouting, where you do lean into projections more and more. And more often than not, those projections don't go the way you hope. Where Maiava has put his floor in a certain place that he can do really, really well for himself. And the accuracy to me is effortless.

I think he throws the ball and layers the ball into space as well as anyone in this class. I think when you watch his third and fourth downs last year, like watch the Illinois game, the third and fourth down conversions were really, really impressive. He's not a creative runner. He could pick up extra yards with his legs,

the Nebraska game. He kept doing that to them over and over again. And now this year is going to be his third full season as a college starter across two different programs. He's not very quick or twitchy in and out of the pocket. I think he's more of a loft thrower than a power arm. And when you watch him throw the ball down the field, I thought defenders had a better chance to make a play on the ball than your typical power-armed quarterbacks.

When he got pressured last year, you know, once again, he did a great job not taking sacks. When he was pressured, his quarterback rating dropped down to 51.2. And he had 21 turnover worthy plays in 2025. That's a big number. So he's still for the fact that he doesn't take sacks and he throws a really pretty ball, he makes a lot of mistakes. And he's got to clean up some of those mistakes where I think the 10 interceptions are a lie. Like I think the 21 turnover worthy plays are a much bigger indicator of the level of mistakes that he's making right now. But my final line I wrote is he's a big quarterback prospect that plays more like a controlled, accurate touch passer rather than a power thrower and runner.

I like Maaba. Obviously with me having him number five heading into the season, I'm a sucker for somebody who really knows how to put some good touch and ball placement on the football. And Maaba does that a lot. That's basically everywhere in his tape. Um, it's his, his journey is really interesting. Well, I should say first and foremost, you guys can see it on the screen, but six foot four, two hundred twenty five pounds, it's 75th percentile, sixty fourth percentile. So we got an NFL quarterback when it comes to overall build here. He's a three star quarterback in the 2020 crew to recruiting class. He's from Honolulu, Hawaii,

but he played his first year of high school football in Las Vegas. And then he played his sophomore year of high school in Hawaii. And then I think as a senior, he played in Henderson, Nevada. So he was all over the place when it came to his high school football journey, committed to UNLV, redshirted his first year in 2022, started all 14 games in 2023. He was the Mountain West freshman of the year. He's a redshirt freshman. He's a redshirt freshman. He's still counted as a freshman. Transfers to USC. Starts four games in 2024. So last year was his first time as a full-time starter for USC. So I do I do agree that I have him at five. I don't know if I'll get to a world where I'll have him higher.

Right. I feel like I believe in my Ava as much as I'm going to believe in my Ava, because I think that he is going to get better. But you're right. There are some things that are just a little bit of drawbacks for him. Sometimes when you watch these guys who are great touch passers, you have to look at it through both in optimistic and pessimistic view. Right.

You could say like, ooh, I love how they're layering the football there. that's really good touch. I love how they're seeing the field. I love how they're delivering things. The timing is great, even with putting a little bit of extra air under the football. But then you say to yourself,

are you doing that because you have to? Like, are you doing that because you can't fire it in there? Now, I think that Maya has a good and adequate NFL arm. But I think there are moments going to what you said, where he gives defenders more of a chance to break on the football because he is much more of a touch passer first. So it looks good. He can complete some really nice throw.

He gets the ball out quick. I think he sees the game pre-snap pretty well. That leads to the lower sack rate, especially because I think he's an okay athlete. There are times when the feet get really heavy for him. There are times when he's just in the pocket. And he just kind of stops right before he's about to throw it. And I need him to stay a little bit more on the balls of his feet

just to make sure that when the NFL game speed is ramped up, he's able to make the most of it and escape a little bit at least because he does have some escapeability to him. It's not crazy. I wouldn't call him a dual-tare quarterback. He's absolutely a pocket quarterback. But the soft touch, the feel, the good ball placement from him. I love all of that.

I think he throws a very tight and controlled spiral. I think that that six foot four frame should lend itself to some big hand size measurement when we get to the combine for him, or at least he certainly plays like it. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of inconsistencies with how the ball is traveling down the field. I think he can make some really clutch throws as well. You talked about that a little bit. Under pressure, okay, it goes down a little bit just because he doesn't have the most escape ability or he's not really

he's not really used to throwing on the run. That's just not his game. But I do think that the sack avoidance was really good for him. And I think that when it comes to making some clutch throws under pressure, he has shown the ability to do that as well. So this is a player that I really like. A high floor player, a little

bit lower of a ceiling. Like I said, I don't know how much higher I will rank him than five if ever when we get to the end of this process. But he is a player whose style of quarterbacking, I do like, and I think can really stick around in the league. He kind of plays like Mack Jones.

Yeah, a little, you know what the first came to my mind with Myava? He plays like Josh Rosen was supposed to. Yeah, Rosen had some real power on that arm, though. Like he, I don't know. I thought that Rosen had a good arm. Good, yeah. I don't, but that's kind of like where I'm at with Maya. I think Maiva's got a good arm, you know.

Rosent's might have been a little bit stronger, but he reminds me of just like the way there was a lot of touch in what he wanted to do, how he operated from the pocket. They were built very similarly. They had a little bit athleticism, but they weren't like these dual threat type of quarterbacks. And obviously the problem with Rosen is, Rosen couldn't get figured out with the NFL speed. You know, when the game started ramping up and when defense started changing pre and post snap, Rosen just couldn't figure it out. So that was a kiss of death for him in his career. But the overall physical talent and kind of like how he delivers the football reminds me a lot of what I liked from Rosen when he was at UCLA.

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Whoa, you got C.J. Carr, too. The belief. The belief. The belief in the young man. Who! All right. So where do we go from here? So you got Archman again number one?

Yeah, we're doing it again. DJ Car from. We're so good last year. And I'll do it again. You got CJ Carr from Notre Dame at number two. Dante Moore from Oregon at number three. Drew Messemaker from Oklahoma State now, previously North Texas. At number four, Julian Sane from Ohio State, you have a five.

And then Trinidad, Chambliss from Old Miss, you have at number six. We'll just, let's reveal my one to six and then we'll get into it. My one through six, because Archmanning worked so well. It's a unanimous number one for us last year. We'll do it again. I got Archmanning from Texas at number one here. I got Dante Moore from Oregon at number two. Darian Mensa, who is at Duke now at Miami.

I have at number three. Trinidad Chambliss from Ole Miss. I have a number four. I mentioned Jaden Mayaba. I have at number five. And then Drew Mestemaker from Oklahoma State now. I have at number six. I'm thoroughly enjoying that everybody went nuts when you had C.J.

Carr at 10. And everyone is going nuts. everybody's going nuts that you got a two if you don't have six you're just a loser that's no but this is this is our this is our mason thomas of this year where i at r mason thomas is my number two edge rusher you had an unranked dishonorable mention on the edge rusher program 14th and then what did we like we ended up with him both at like seven or eight right the middle dead smack in the middle so that's a cj car is going to be dude honestly i would love love to hear you talk about CJ Carr. I think we should start there with CJ Car. You've got him at

number two. I think a lot of the, funny enough, I think a lot of the things that you're going to say about CJ Car from Notre Dame, I'm going to agree with you on. I just, I kind of viewed him maybe through a more wait and see type of a lens. Like, I'm excited to watch CJ Car. There are a lot of things that I'm looking forward to watching him do as a full time starter for the second year in a row here at Notre Dame. But to me, maybe it was just more of a like, I was like, yeah, okay. Like I think CJ Car is like, definitely an NFL quarterback. But yeah, I'll let you talk about them because obviously you've got a mid

number two. Well, this goes back to the the projecting part of summer scouting when you're talking about a redshirt sophomore quarterback coming off a big redshirt freshman year. And I think that going back to my like tiering system, I feel like on this show is pretty important when I said, DeMond Williams, Dary and Mentsis, Sam Levitt, and John Mateer would kind of be in a group together for me. I'd have my top four almost in a group with R. Arch Carr, Dante Moore, and Messamaker.

I don't think there's some wild gap breaking away with those guys right now. And I don't think Sayin is in that group, even though I have him at five. Like I think he's on the outside looking in in a different tier. Let's just get right into it with Carr. So car to me is a low effort thrower.

And the timing... Damn, you just called him lazy. You called him a bum. Yep, it puts just no effort into it. You said get your work ethic. I mean, for his age, the timing and accuracy is, is in a really, really good place for a quarterback this young. I thought going back to the Mayava conversation,

he also has that natural touch to just loft throws over linebackers, but right in the bucket away from, you know, over the top coverage. I think the arm strength, because we're talking about the touch, but getting back to more of the power stuff, he can hit that intermediate out route from the opposite half. Like turn on the NC State game last year, and you get to see him asked to do that and successfully do that. Where I'm looking at it and going, okay, one more year, getting bigger and stronger, he's going to be able to make all the pro throws that he's going to be asked of him. I like going back to where he's at for his age.

He climbs the pocket rather than drifts out of it. There's a lot of times where he steps up through the pocket, works up into the pocket. He's not drifting backwards all the time. 2.5% sack rate last year, 94th percentile. I think Notre Dame did a really, really good job keeping him upright, but I also think he did a really good job for a young quarterback, not taking sacks. And when you look at this offense, this dropback passing offense, there's plenty of times where he's asked to not only go through full field reads,

but challenge at all three levels of the field. Just turned 21 years old at the end of May. Now you get into some of the stuff that could limit him from being, you know, elite high-end top 10 kind of pick, right? I think the scrambling and playmaking speed is below average, right? It's not unusable, but it's below average of where we're at in today's NFL. I think that when he has to drive, like, short, in-breaking routes, that's when the accuracy start to win.

Like, he really tried to throw it 100 miles, like a slant. There's times where he tries to throw a slant 200 miles an hour, and it's like, you didn't need to do that. And then he loses that great timing and accuracy that he had. He's young. He's young. And right. And that's where you look at and go, this is a really young player playing on a big stage.

He will stare down targets a second too long. I think he struggled when pressured, which wasn't too often with how good I thought they did keeping him upright last year because he was only pressured on 85 dropbacks. But you look at those 85 dropbacks, he had a quarterback rating that was right below 60. So that went down a lot. So, this is someone to me, like you look at some of the higher end pocket passing stuff that's going to be asked of a prospect. He's already doing it at an age where it's impressive to me. It's impressive to me.

And that's why I put him in that group with Dante Moore right now. And he's going to have to continue on the trajectory he's on. But I think he's going to do that this year at Notre Dame. I think there are a lot of things that he did well last year, especially from a physical perspective. I mean, you mentioned it. At almost 6 foot 3, 215 pounds, I mean, he stands tall in the pocket. He can avoid sacks. He's got a strong, wide base to conjure a good amount of pace and velocity on his throws when

it comes to the shorter and intermediate throws. He knows how to get the right distance when it comes those deep throws as well. I like his fundamentals. He's got that full high release type of a throwing motion to him, which isn't the best for everybody. But, man, when it can work, man, it looks good. and I think that it does look good for CJ Carr. I think that you mentioned it.

Like some of the easy throws he'll miss. He's got a little bit of panic in him just because he hasn't played a lot of college football. So this year could be a big step up for him in that regard. I've noticed that Notre Dame will ask him, actually, I don't know what the rate of this was, but I feel like it wasn't a ton. But they'll ask him to get under center every now and then to like operate play action from under center. and when he does, he'll, like, he wants to turn around as fast as humanly possible. Like he, because when you talk about like being able to play under center,

especially for the play action game, something that you need to do as a quarterback is you need to be very comfortable with what you are seeing pre-snap because when you snap the ball and when you turn, your back is to the field, right? So you are, you're trying to sell the play action, you are trying to sell the handoff and to do so, your back is facing the defense. So for the first second, second and a half, two seconds at the play,

you can't see what the defense is doing. So when you are operating under play action, and when you take the ball back and then you turn and look up the field, you can't be super confused. Like you have to be able to understand like, okay, this is what I'm seeing pre-snap. This is what they might rotate to. And you've got to be able to operate that with confidence.

That's sort of when we talk about like the value of being able to play under center. and get under center, especially for like the run game and the play action game, that's a big part of what the quarterback is asked to do. And a lot of times you, in the college game and some in the NFL as well, you get a lot of this like RPO and play action game from the shotgun. It's because just think about it. When you snap the ball and it goes right to you, if you, the running back is right next to you,

all you have to do is put the football out and the running back is there, right? and you're faking it, but you don't have to look at the running back while you do that. He's standing right next to you. You can still look deep down the field. You can still look at the defense and everything that you're doing. So you can snap the ball and you can operate play action without taking your eyes off of the defense. So there's no turn in your back. There's nothing like that.

I didn't even really think I was going to go into that tangent. It's just like sort of a note when you're watching quarterbacks. But Carr, for example, I watched him do that and he got really uncomfortable. Like the second that his back turned to the defense, he got super uncomfortable, which I think just goes into, again, you see a young quarterback. Most college guys, they're never asked to even do that. Exactly, exactly.

They're just not. They get to the NFL and it's like, figure it out now, buddy. And that's one of those little things that I will watch this year. And if they put him under center again for play action and he looks super confident doing it, it's a little thing where I go,

you learned. Like you got better in an area that may seem very small, but it shows. legitimate progression in who you are as a quarterback and how you how you operate. So that's all that to say like CJ's Carr is a very talented quarterback, but it's those little things that I'm looking to see him really improve upon. And if he does, I think that you, I mean, if he does, certainly we're talking about him

a lot closer where you have him ranked and where I have him ranked. I think me having him at number 10 is just a little bit more of a, hey, is red shirt sophomore to wait and see. But I'm excited to wait and see for C.J. Carr. By the way, there are a lot of people talking about this in the chat. Did you watch CJ Bailey? Yeah. Okay.

The chat has talked more about C.J. Bailey than any other quarterback. I've seen a lot of people on social media really talk about C.J. Bailey as well. So C.J. Bailey really quick. He did not make my top 12. Same. He is the quarterback at NC State. He's a true junior this year. So he's draft eligible for the first time. He is 6'5.15 pounds. So he is a big tall quarterback. Now he's got a little bit of a slender build to him being 6 foot 6 and just 215 pounds. But he's gained more than 30 pounds, I noticed, from when he was a recruit going from high school to college.

They, I mean, they seem to love C.J. Bailey at NC State. Like, they really seem to love this player. They want to be, they want to rally around him. They want him to be their starting quarterback. He had nine starts in 2024 as a true freshman, started all 13 games last year. but to me I think he's got the big frame that could put on even more weight and strength

he seems to be a really mentally tough kid that you want to invest in and see how much better he could potentially get. He's got that alluring size to him but to me a lot of inconsistencies with C.J. Bailey. He's got a really

long throwing motion to him and that obviously affects how quickly the ball gets out of his How about the dropback? What? I thought his drop back was so slow. Oh, like just just like getting into his stance like from a three step or a five step drop? Yeah.

I didn't even note that. I thought it just slowed down his entire process from the start. Because you watch him, NFL arm can challenge tight windows. Like you brought up the height. I think the frame will continue to add mass. He's already played a lot of football considering how young he is. He did get his sack rate down significantly. He went from 6.4% 2024 down to 4.4% last year.

So he was taking less sacks. But it just all starts. But he's just, it's a very slow process all the way from the drop back to the motion. Yep. And there's not enough anticipation for him to overcome that right now. Everything has to be so much faster in how he plays the game. So I just wanted to mention that. Nathan said C.J. Bailey is the Joe Milton of Tim Tebow's.

Maybe. Maybe. I won't put Tebow on him. But you know, some of it was, he'll be a better prospect probably than this. But like, you know, when you watch Taylin Green last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, hey, you could throw the ball. Taylor's more athletically gifted, though.

Way more athletically gifted. But the load up, it's like they're loading up a Zook on their shoulder. Yes, yes, yes. So. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Back to the rankings.

There were just a lot of people talking about CJB. Yeah, no. I'm glad we addressed that because we didn't want to finish a show. without talking about him. Yeah. All right. Who do we want to talk about next? Well,

I really want to hear you talk about Mentsa because I talked about Carr. Oh, love him, brother. Dude. Terry and Mentsa. This was a, you know, as a college football fan, you watch a lot of these guys,

and you do go into Summer Scouting, just, you know, sort of, you've got your, you've got your thoughts on these players already. Like your storylines? I could not have enjoyed. watching Darien Mence's tape more. I was so impressed, even beyond what I saw from him when I was watching

him live at Duke, I loved watching Dary and Mentsis tape. So he's a redshirt junior going into this season. He's 6'3, 205 pounds. That's 55th percentile in height, seventh percentile in weight. So a little smaller of a quarterback in that regard. He was a three-star quarterback, played his high school football in California. He was the Mountain League player of the year when he was a senior. He also played basketball when he was in high school.

committed to Tulane, he redshirted his first year, started all 13 games in 2024, transferred to Duke, started all 14 games last year, now he transferred to Miami. So he is in the Miami quarterback pipeline that was, you know, Cam Ward and Carson Beck. Transfer as well, man. And they do.

Yeah, yeah. They're getting some good transfers. Indiana and Miami. They're getting these transfer quarterbacks and they, it's like car detailing, man. They look good when they come out of there. Dude, I had such a, I had so much fun. watching so much joy watching menses tape because going back to what the chat was talking about

a little bit earlier and something that i i mentioned as well when they were talking about it touch throws mean a lot to me as a scout you know i was uh just on a podcast recently where um brad who uh does a football podcast actually from australia which is really cool to like be on that show with him um we were talking about like traits that that that you can't get away from, like that you have to be present for a guy that you're absolutely going to love and project to be a major difference maker. And for quarterback, believe it or not, it's touch. Touch is the number one thing for me because to me it shows so much natural ability when you were able to complete touch passes. And Mensa can, in my opinion, with the best of them.

I think he appears to have, even though, you know, he is a little bit smaller in overall size, he appears to have big hands because of how much control he has over that spiral, how repeatable it is, that ball placement's consistently fantastic for him. He is a comfortable and confident touch passer, like I mentioned. The demeanor in the pocket is very Jordan Love like to me. Now, I didn't quite have Jordan Love's arm strength, but it's very Jordan Love like, in my opinion, where he is so cool, calm, and collected, and he plays with so much confidence, even until the very last moment where maybe sometimes

he's got to throw off of that back foot, but when he does, it stays confident throughout when he's reading the field, when he's getting rid of the ball, ball, all of that. He's got experience in the shotgun, the pistol, a little bit under center, but not as much under center. That ball placement is fantastic. Honestly, anywhere within 50 yards, I felt like the ball placement was just consistently excellent from him. A ton of belief, confidence, moxie, and how he plays the game. It is a quarterback that is so easy to believe in. A little bit of the drawbacks. Overall arm talent, I think, reflects his a little bit smaller size where I think that He's got an adequate arm.

You know, is he going to be a constant threat to push it, you know, 50 plus yards down the field? Maybe not. He's light on his feet, but he can get a little bit erratic with his lower body mechanics. But, man, even when he's throwing off of that back foot, like I was mentioned, like Jordan Love does. Sometimes it can look really pretty there. It doesn't have a ton of athletic ability, some of escapeability, a little bit of wiggle to how he runs, but he's not like a legit RPO threat. But, man, even though this is my little bottom line, like early bottom line that I had for him.

Ments's ball placement and touch in pressured and clean situations create a quarterback prospect that is easy to believe it. His armed talent might not be Tier 1 in the league, but he will find an attempt the throws needed to be a winner at the NFL level. That's what I think of this player. I think that Ments is awesome. And I was so impressed by what I saw from him last year. I think the difference for us is I just don't see the arm of a first round quarterback.

It's just that he's. accurate, good placement, keeps his eyes up the field. I think he's incredibly smart. You could see it how he handles pressure, how he sees the blitz, his adjustments, tacking holes against zone coverage. It's just he exerts a lot of force into the deep ball, and I don't think he drives the ball outside the numbers

the way I would hope a professional quarterback will. Miami, this makes a ton of sense for them. The wider receiver talent they have, get a guy that I talked about so much. Carson Beck since the elbow surgery turned himself into power thrower but bad decision maker to point guard game manager and in a Miami team that went to the national title. Menta already is a point guard. He's a smart quarterback. He's a distributor. He's going to do that for Miami's playmakers. Is he going to play in the pros? Yes, because he's smart, he's accurate.

I just don't think he has a pro arm on a down-by-down basis to challenge every single level of the field vertically and horizontally. See, if you're going to critique something of Mentsa, that's where you're going to critique it 100%. That's my holdup of him not being in my top five. I just think he sees the game well enough to actually make up. Overcome it. There's a lot of quarterbacks where I will see,

okay, they don't have the arm talent to overcome it, but they also don't process the game the way that they need to, overcome it. Like, I think that my Ava, I obviously like him, but I felt like I watched Mensa command the field. I thought I watched him command where the ball was going as that true point guard type of a player. So some people in the chat are really going after his arm strength. I don't see it as that. Again, is it tier one, maybe even tier two arm in the NFL? No, but I think that the guy understands how to play quarterback. And to me, that is so, so important when you talk about a guy who who's going to execute for you at the highest level.

So I'm a big fan in how he sees the game. And I think he made the right decision. I think going to Miami will help him. All right, what will we hit next? We had Julian saying. Should we talk about Julian saying now? We should talk about saying. We're kind of on the train.

All right. Yeah. All right. Julian saying, go ahead. Talk to me about him. I got to make QB7. You got to make QB5. Julian's saying you see him listed 6-1-207, another young quarterback, 20 years old, very light.

let's start with the good. I think the ball is pretty snappy and explosive out of his hand, considering his size. I don't think he has this elite arm or anything. I just think the ball, it's snappy. He can get the ball out and he's got enough juice on the ball, where maybe it just surprises me because he's not a big quarterback, where I was like, oh, in that situation,

he can really, really throw the ball. It's not like Levitt. When we talked about Levitt, Levitt, Levitt's a small quarterback that just has this how it's so when he's thrown to his right. It's not that. I think he's quick enough with his feet and he can dip his shoulder and move the pocket. And I think he knows how to put enough air under the deep ball. I think that he looks undersized on the field.

That's the number one thing right away. He is. And he is. 6-1-207, 14th percentile, 9 percentile. And that's if the measurements that Ohio State lifts him at hold up. Now, you do have to grade on the scale of, okay, what's it going to look like when he's 22? Can he be 215 pounds and fully filled out? Let's hope.

Is he going to actually measure in at 6-1, like you said, Trevor, and not like 5-11 and 5-8s or 6 feet tall? One cycle of anabolic steroids, right? We're here to consult. You know, you get popped, you serve the six games. Guess what? The games stay around. There, of course, is going to be what it looks like when the lights get bright. And there's no denying.

You look at last year, you watched the whole regular season, and you're like, okay, all this town around him, not taking a lot of sacks. And then you get to the conference championship against Indiana, a front that creates havoc. He gets sacked five times. You look at him against Miami in the playoff. He gets sacked five times. Those are NFL players and NFL caliber chaos in terms of the rush.

And I thought he folded. And he's a young quarterback, but there's just no denying it. Like, you want to be the man. You got to play big in those sports. spots. There's no denying that for how productive he was, 77% completion percentage, the 32 touchdowns, 23 big time throws by PFF's metric. Like, he makes big throws. There's no denying when you watch the tape. There's so much Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate running wide open. Right, right. Just so, there's no other way to say it. Yeah, there is. There's so much of that.

There is. Um, I think that, you know, when it comes down to it, I think that he played well on third and fourth downs, though. For a young quarterback, it's like there's a lot of moments where he knew exactly what to do in tough spots. So I didn't really know what to do with Julian's saying because age adjusted and talent, I thought he was a pretty good player. But I think the narrative can change real quick where if he plays as poorly as he did in the big games this year with all the talent Ohio State always has, then you're like, okay, he is limited. He's capped at some point where he's not going to make the jump into being, you know, a first round quarterback.

And he's not today. There's no way around it. He's not a first round quarterback today. But it's also difficult to evaluate because he doesn't make a ton of mistakes for such a young quarterback, but he has so much help. You know what I mean? He's just a weird watch where I think he's a talented player. and I was surprised with the explosiveness of the ball out of his hand compared to his size.

Not a power thrower, but enough. But I didn't see upper echelon traits yet combined with the fact that I thought he struggled in big spots. So it's interesting with him is, you, we talked about this a little bit with other smaller quarterbacks that we've discussed on this show. Sayan has to put a good amount of his body into throws where he needs to like ramp up the RPMs to get over the middle of the field or or deliver the ball. but when he puts his full body into throws, it doesn't really affect the accuracy that much.

Like a lot of guys, that's the worry, right? With a lot of these smaller quarterbacks, you go, eh, you got to put a lot more body into your throws, and that's really where the inconsistencies and the accuracy starts to get shaky.

Julian Sam puts a lot of his body into throws, and he's still super accurate. So that, I think, is at least good of him, is you know that he's going to have to put a lot of his body into throws, and he's still able to deliver the ball sort of where he wants. He is that point guard type of a player. I think that he's got

pinpoint accuracy when he's left clean. But, you know, I like Julian saying as a player. I also think that he's physically limited because the stature and the numbers, the measurables, would tell you that he is. And I think the tape also tells you that he is. You sort of mentioned that a lot of these wide receivers are running wide open for him. It's hard to judge saying for two reasons. One, he's a young quarterback, right? He wouldn't even draft eligible last year. Two, plays for Ohio State. Ohio State's more talented than

80% of the teams that they go up against. And when I say more talented, I mean by a mile. Is it not 100%? Everybody thought they were going to beat Indiana in the conference championship game and they lost. Right, but I guess what I'm saying is like, they at least go up

against teams where it's even. You know, the Oregon game, the Indiana game, you know, the Michigan game some years. It's like, you at least go up against teams are like, all right, Ohio State might have more like NFL talent on them, but at least it's close. They go up against some of these teams. It's like, all right, why are we playing this game?

Well, yeah, people are going to get hurt in this game for no reason, just so the fans in Columbus can watch their team put up 70, you know, which, hey, you know, it's fun to do. I wish, I wish, I wish Florida would put up 70. That's another story. But I think that it's hard for me to have, in as much of a coward's voices I possibly can have here, it's hard for me to have a really, you know, it's hard for me to have a really, you really definitive heels in the ground take about saying when my take really is 2026 matters a lot for him. That's kind of it.

How much stronger did he get in the weight room? How much did he grow into his body and his overall strength? Do you get to see that in how he plays? How much quicker is he going to be to anticipate things? He's got to feel like when he had to throw middle of the field. Sometimes I felt like he was a tick slow to see it. And certainly in the NFL, you'll get eaten alive when you don't have a howitzer of an arm, when you have the measurable that he does.

So you've got to get quicker in that regard. and are you going to be more of the reason why this team is still as explosive on the offensive side of the football as we think that Ohio State is going to be. So for me, it really just is a, if somebody wants to argue, hey, I think that Julian Sands, a top 10 quarterback in this class, we're like, all right, I don't agree with that just because of the physical traits. But if somebody was like, no, I think he's a bum. I think he's like a late day three quarterback.

We're like, I don't really see that either. To me, it's just we got to let it play out with Julian Sane. Now, that's not the case with all these. guy. Like some guys you have a lot more tape on than others, but Julian's saying it's just one of those younger quarterbacks that, to me, I just need more time and need more answers. Same. And I need to see what actually improves from him from 2025 to 2026. Because if it's a lot of the same, then we've got a different conversation that we get to have in December and January when these guys are going to declare. And obviously, if it gets better or worse, then it's the same thing.

But to me, it's just a time thing with saying. Same, clearly. All right, who else we got to hit? Trinidad. Oh, Trinidad. Trinidad. Trinidad. Brother, I love Trinidad, Chamblis. It's easy to love.

Brother, I'm such a sucker for this player. I really am. I think he's the man. He's a fixed year senior this year. So obviously he's one of the older prospects in the draft. You and I, I think, talked about this of like, hey, man, like, you're going through all of this effort to earn an extra year of eligibility. You go in the draft.

I mean, you might be a first round quarterback like by default because the draft wasn't that strong. at quarterback and you're coming off of a really nice season. The fact of the matter is, though, 5-11 and 7-8, so he's right under six feet tall. It's third percentile. 108 pounds, which is actually nine. I wondered if he was going to be sub-200, but 108 pounds is actually a pretty good weight. 108. Oh, sorry.

In the third grade. 208, 200-pound. No, 300. You know what? No, we're going beyond it. He's 300-8. I said what I said. 99th percentile for the quarterback position.

Child Jared Lorenzen. Um, 208 pounds, 12 percentile for the quarterback position, which is better than what I thought it was going to be for him. Very interesting background. Zero star quarterback in the 2021 recruiting class, by the way, commits to Ferris State, red shirt in 2021, didn't play in 2022 because he had respiratory issues, had one start in 2023, and then as a junior in 2024, he led Ferris State to a D2 national championship. He was the Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference play.

of the year and a finalist for the Harlan Hill Trophy, which is basically the D2 Heisman Trophy. Transfer's over to Old Miss, and after not starting to begin the season, he ends up starting 13 to their 15 games, and my goodness, was it fun as hell? I mean, this kid is so much fun to believe in. That's why he is my top, like, true, like, small quarterback that I'm going to believe in. If you want to call Darien Ments as small, okay, I guess I have Jerry Mentser ranked ahead of Trinidad Champlain. But for the guys who are under six foot, right around 200 pounds, like I don't believe in many of these guys anymore.

I have a hard time not believing in Trinidad Champlain. He is such a natural in all of his movements, how he throws the football, his feet, his fluid movements. He's got a smooth throwing motion to him, gets the ball out of his hand really fast, good pace, good arm strength, much better arm strength than expected for a player of his measurables. I think the accuracy and ball placement where it was a little up and down sort of at the beginning of the year when he was first starting, man, you go back and you watch those end of the season games against what Georgia and then Miami. Oh, this kid's fun.

And he's completing some of the biggest passes that you need him to complete. I think he's a natural when he's throwing out of the run and outside the pocket as well. Excellent innate touch on his passes, in my opinion, especially in the intermediate level of the field. that effective mobility really helps him be a little bit of a dual threat, ran a lot of RPO stuff with Ole Miss. This is a player who is so, obviously like the natural drawbacks. He's a smaller quarterback. To me, when it came to the accuracy issues,

which I felt like he did have sort of towards the middle of the season, that got better as the year went on. And when the games were the biggest and the opponents were the most difficult. And so to me, the end of his season means so much more than the middle of the season because it was his first time starting at a D1 level. So I take those end of the year games where he played really, really well against really good opponents with much more emphasis than I did the middle of the season. He throws some risky passes, but he also attempts the risky passes that you need to to win football games. I think this quarterback gives you a lot of reason to believe in what would be a smaller player. And I'm a sucker for the way that he plays the game.

I'm with you as well, man. Like it's easy to like the tape, right? Number one, as the escapeability reminded me at Cam Ward. He's not Cam Ward as a prospect. I want to make that clear. But his escapeability, light base underneath them, springy lower half evades pressure. He drives the ball with confidence. on underneath throws, like the slants and digs, and it's like, he doesn't,

nobody's telling him he's sub six feet tall. Yep, yep. He doesn't play like a small quarterback on those kinds of throws. You see the touch. He could hit the whole shot between the corner and the safety, didn't take sacks last year, 90th percent out, under 3% sack rate. And that's because he has good feel. That's something that's really hard.

You kind of have it or you don't. Yep. He has a feel for pressure. And I don't think he gets enough credit for that as a pro prospect. Another thing, too, people say what they want about Ole Miss's offense. In eight of his 13 games last year, he threw for 300 plus yards. He was asked to do a lot, to produce a lot, to go out and make plays for this team. And he did.

You know, you take out the sacks. He had almost 600 rushing yards, eight rushing touchdowns. He ran for 36 first downs. He had a throw against Miami in the semifinal that to me just shows what he's all about. that third and nine in the fourth quarter. He hung in. He got the absolute shit knocked out of him. And he ripped the first down completion over the middle of the field.

I'm just like, yeah, he doesn't, he's tough. He'll hang in the pocket and throw the ball over the middle of the field. He's not trying to play where he needs to roll out and wait nine seconds to throw the ball to a backyard kind of play. Now, yes, he's undersized. He's going to be 24 years old before the start of his rookie season. He had 16 passes batted down at the line of scrimmings. last year. And some of that's the arm slot, the size, staring down targets. And I know I complained about this with Mentsa. The intermediate throwing outside the numbers is not great right now. It's not

something that you're going to ask him to do a ton of in the offense. And for better or for worse, he puts a lot of air under the deep ball and likes to throw the jump ball. So if you're drafting Trinidad Chambleus, you need to go have big perimeter targets. They can climb the ladder and make plays for him. And then Ole Miss, they did. And he gives his guys a shot. I really want him to be good, Trevor. Me too. I have QB6, which is kind of just sitting on the fence there. But he's got that DeAngelo Pons feel where it's like, okay, not a big recruit. All right, he played really good at JMU. All right, he played really good at Indiana. Wait, is DeAngelo Pons the best player on the field in the college football playoff? And I'm not saying that's going to be Trinidad. But at some point,

you stop doing the whole like, this guy can't do it. This guy can't do it. He's too small. He's too small. I'm not there yet. But man, I'm not ruling it out that Trinidad just overcomes these limitations and plays himself into being an NFL quarterback.

I'm with you. I'm with you. I will not rule out this player being a potential NFL quarterback. And I say that while fully understanding that it is an uphill climb when you are built the way that he is. But there is so much. of how, of course, like, we sit here and we talk about the things that honestly, like, you can measure, right?

Whether it's how often you take a sack or big time throws or turnover worthy plays or overall yards or how often you're under center or even just your height and your weight, like all of these. We talk so much about the things that you can measure. But there is still such an important part of just an immeasurable how you process the game that matters towards this position specifically, sometimes more than anything else. And for Trinidad Chambliss,

he is the most natural quarterback, maybe in this class, in just how he sees the game. And it's so hard for me to quit a player who shows up when he is pressured, is able to bounce back when he makes a mistake, has that moxian confidence to make the tight throws,

the quick throws, all that stuff. So I'm a huge fan of Trinidad Chambers, and I hope that he plays well this year because college football is going to be a lot of fun if he does. All right. I think we're going to Mestemaker next, right? The guy that'll be, I mean, maybe the most interesting player to talk about

before the season starts. Drew Mastomaker? Yeah. All right. Do you agree? I agree because he is talked to Pounder. What happened? Messer.

Incredible comment. Mess to goat. We've got Mest to goat here as well. Wow, QB1. See, okay. So a lot of people are talking about Drew Messmaker as a potential QB1. Connor, you looked up this guy's background, right? Like going in high school.

Yeah, he didn't start in high school. He was a putter and a safety. Oh, I was going on, hold on, hold on. He indeed did start in high school. He was their starting punter. his senior year. And I think he was a good one. 34 yards of punt.

Okay. I don't know if that's good in high school. Yeah. Well, their level of competition, like in Texas, would it shock me if guys are punt in the ball

45 yards? No, it wouldn't. So Mestemaker, zero star quarterback. And the reason why it was a zero star quarterback from Austin,

Texas, didn't start at all at the quarterback position, his entire high school career. As a junior, he was to back up to Braden Bucam. who is a college baseball player for Baylor.

And as a senior, he was a backup to Deuce Adams, who did he play at Wisconsin? I just remember him being a big recruit. I know he was a Louisville commit. Did he play at Wisconsin or do you go to Louisville? He's at Louisville. He's at Louisville. Okay, okay.

So didn't start at all. Walks on at North Texas. He transferred to Wisconsin. Good call. Okay, there we go. There we go. walks on at North Texas, starts one game, but red shirts his first year there. Starts all 14 games.

Just goes from fifth on the depth chart when he gets there to back up quarterback right before his true freshman season, ends up redshirting, started all 14 games last year. And it's just so funny to me that this guy didn't play quarterback at all in high school. 6 foot 3, 215 pounds, but he plays a lot bigger than his listed size. So I wanted to make sure that I laid the groundwork of how we got here with Mestemaker, who started in North Texas,

and then I mentioned, he transferred over to Oklahoma State, so he's going to be playing for Oklahoma State this upcoming season for the first time. But you've got him at QB4, I got him at QB6. Talk to me about Drew Mestamaker. Man, so number one. Mestamette. Just so cannot.

The chat's on one. Right away, you watch him. And you're like, he had to watch Aaron Rogers growing up. He had to. I'm not saying like he is Aaron Rogers at all. I'm saying how he wants to play. He definitely watched Aaron Rogers growing up. You seen, you got Rogers out of his tape?

No, not what he wants to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. The Shades of guy for me was actually Darnold. USC Darnold. Oh. Like I was like, and Donald caught a lot of that like the way they move

around the pocket and then can throw off platform. Rogers is a one of one. So they'll never be you know, Aaron Rogers is they did things in his prime that we will never see again. Correct.

But you have this era of quarterbacks that watched him play the position and like greats do, You have an era of athletes that watch them and want to be them. And he tries to play that way a lot where you look at him, he constantly wants to be light on his feet. Like he's holding the ball.

I see Aaron in the chat goes, Rogers Light was literally my comp, but I didn't want to say it out loud. Yeah, I'm not doing that either, pal. I'm with you all the way. But when you watch him play, he wants to have his feet buzzing and hopping and doesn't want this lower body effort all the time.

where he's just like, I want to be springy, and I want to be able to just fire the ball out with my upper body. He's not afraid to stand tall in the pocket, though, and rip middle of the field throws. He's not just a back. The middle of the field was a plus that I wrote down. Yeah. I was like, okay, he likes to do the, like I can hop around

and throw the off platform. But then I'll also, as a big quarterback, because you see him 6, 3, 2, 15, he'll stand tall and rip, middle of the field throws. Yeah. And then he has no problem, comfort level, rolling out and throwing on the move. I'll be said eff it. He's Dan Marino 2.0.

Let's crank this maybe up a couple of notches. Now let's get into, because those are the positives, is that he can really operate in any manner as a quarterback, whether it's on the move, whether it's readjusting the pocket or simply standing tall in the pocket. Once in a, not once in a while, too often he has this looping throwing motion. Dude, because he holds the ball at his belly button. That's what? Why is he doing that?

We need to get that thing up, brother. He hasn't played football. Here. He hasn't played. He's holding it like he's ready to punt. Dude, you might be right. You might be right. You're right, though.

The throwing motion is way too unnecessarily long. Look at the picture we have of him. So he holds the ball low and then he loops on the throwing motion. Didn't Darnold do that at USC? Yes, Darnold did the same exact thing. Dude, that's such a good call. When you watch it, you could tell I had to watch a lot of Darnold that year. You did, yeah.

You're the Vietnam dog flashbacks right here. That's so true. Oh, man, worked out great. He won a Super Bowl. He did. Never wrong, never wrong. Just early, baby. So, Jets.

He played at North Texas this year, he played so much like USC Darnold for better and for work. and that looping throwing motion creeps up often. The lower body is rarely in sync with his upper half. And this goes to the Rogers point. Rogers could do it because he's Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers just one of the most gifted human beings in terms of that that we will ever see in our lifetime,

maybe the most gifted. Messmaker at times you look at and go, holy crap. No, he's got, yeah, yeah. But there's a lot of times where it's also bad when he does that. When his lower half is not insane. And he hasn't played a lot of football. So that's not surprising. Yeah.

In terms of seeing the field, very raw. Evil force throws into dangerous areas with lurking defenders and just be like, oh, hey, I haven't had a lot of chances to read coverages. So I don't know what this is, but I'm throwing it. And that's the guy that needs to play. He needs to play football. So it's not surprising to see that. He can scramble.

He's not a dangerous runner, in my opinion. He can move, but it's not like, oh, God, he broke, he broke contain. Oh, damn it, like he's going to run for 20 yards and we're screwed. It's never, it's never like that to me. So my final line, I just already's a high variance quarterback with shades of Sam Darnold in his game. Mestemaker will have to stay on an upward trajectory as he faces a higher level of competition. Yeah, the Sam Darnold call is an absolutely great call. Nathan in the chat says, Missamaker is going to be the Otani, the NFL is QB1 and also the runner.

There you go. Dude, can you imagine the fakes that you would get to run if your quarterback was also your primary punter? Yeah. I mean, the special teams coordinator for the opposing team wouldn't sleep. I mean, he'd just be up for days. Would have no idea what's coming. You have no idea. And the coach leaves it up to him.

Like, he reads the punt unit and he's like, yeah, we're throwing a fade here. And then you're not punting. And then you cross-train your wide receiver one. to also be the gunner? Like you're like, yeah, yeah, we're saving a roster spot. Our top wide receiver is going to be the gunner. And our quarterback's going to be the punter.

I already see this is what is going to turn around the New York Jets. With their own pick, they're going to draft Jeremiah Smith. And with either the Colts or Cowboys Packers pick, they're going to take Mess the Maker. And they are going to run the true four-down offense. Yeah. Where he has the punt option in Jeremiah,

Smith is the gunner. Yeah. And he learns like Ozzie rules punting as well. So like if, if he's breaking the pocket, technically he could just run to the sideline and just boot it after that.

Yeah. Yeah, the no hang time. We might be on to something here. Yeah, I think we figured it out. We might need to cut this from the podcast. You can see the YouTube thumbnail. Did we fix the Jets?

PPO punt pass option. That's a great comment. Nice job, Craig. It was good. No, Messmaker, I'm with you, man. There are some really good moments for him. I watched him play, and I was like, there's no way he's six foot three,

two hundred and 15 pounds. Like he's got to be six four or six five, like two 30, like 225. He looks way bigger than 215. I totally agree. And he's 20. Yeah, yeah. So he might be two six, the all muscle in two years. He has, he has, it's crazy to think that this guy didn't play, didn't start as a

quarterback in high school. It's crazy. It is wild to think that with how we are talking. I mean, this guy went from not starting at quarterback since his, what, since he probably played JV as a freshman in high school to playing one year at North Texas. And now we're talking about him getting drafted in the top 10 of the National Football League. He literally is the pointing meme guy. Yeah.

mom i don't want to go to the NFL crazy but he he has a lot of things that he needs to improve upon with more playing time but this is an exciting year for him there's no doubt about it i watching him i had a couple moments where i'm like oh my god i'm going to make him qb2 and then i finally like settled down and was like no he's there's a lot of things here that are are a huge

work in progress but still i'm cubby four yeah i mean this dude is one good college season away from being a top five pick. Let's call what it is. If you were wrong, I'd correct you, but here, but here we are. Here we are. You can't teach the talent.

Nathan says just did an NIL shoot with him. He's a good dude. Oh, okay. Stock up. Good dude, stop. No, stock down. No, stock. Yeah, no, I need bad guys at quarterback.

Yeah, the NFL needs a villain. NFL needs a villain. Dante Moore. I have Ms. QB2. You got him as QB3. He is a senior at Oregon this upcoming season. listed at, I think, 6'3, but in reality, he's just under 6'5 foot 3, 20, 26 pounds.

So he's around the 40, 45th percentile in height, 8th percentile in overall weight. Five-star quarterback from Detroit, Michigan, won back-to-back state championships. He was a junior and a senior when he was in high school, committed to UCLA, started five games when he was at UCLA. And as a five-star quarterback, Connor, I watched his tape. I'm not going to lie. I don't know if I've hated any undraftable quarter. back's tape any more than I hated

Dante Moore's at UCLA. I remember you saying this at the time. I felt like I was like this player is unplayable at the college level, let alone the NFL level. And the reason I was watching that is because he only played in three games in 2024 because

he used the backup to Dylan Gabriel. And then like he sort of went into 2025 and it's like, yeah, okay, he's going to be draft eligible. We didn't really have anything to work with from him. But he started all 15 games last year and it was night and day. He was so much better of a quarterback. He was so much more poised. He had fantastic accuracy. And that's really the way that we talk about him right now. There's a world and maybe it was a very likely world where he'd have

been the Jets pick at number two overall if he would have declared last year. I could tell you that he would have been. So he would have been. You already fixed the Jeph. So I know that, you know, they got in your year. We moved on from the Dante Moore experience. We're on to the punt pass option with Mestemaker and Jeremiah. Dante Moore's got a smooth, quick release. Ideal fundamentals, very repeatable when he's kept clean and even under pressure, the accuracy, the ball placement, they stay very, very high because of it. He's not a mobile quarterback, but he's got some good escapeability to him. He's got experience under center. They'll put him under center every now and then in Oregon's offense, which is good to see. He's got great pre-snap reads, I think. And the reason why I know that is because the timing of those quick releases and how he's able to attack the defenses.

It's just so confident the ball's exactly where it needs to be so often. That accuracy stays high even when he's on the run and he's escaping the pocket, which again goes back to So really good natural throwing ability and then just the clean fundamentals as well. I didn't think there was much panic when he was pressured last year. Of course, like everybody, all the passing grades in efficiency go down when you're pressured. But relative to other quarterbacks, I thought he operated very, very well under pressure. The arm strength to me is on the average side, the adequate side when it comes to the NFL. And I wonder if that's a reason why maybe he got some feedback from the NFL and they're like,

I don't know how highly he'll get drafted. I don't know how true that would have been. but I think that the arm strength is probably a reason for that. The lower weight could be a factor when it comes to the overall durability. I think it is a little bit when it comes to the lack of power in his arm when he's really driving the football. But lots of like from this player who already feels like he really took a massively forward last year as a first time starter. Excited to see him this year. But if he continues to be one of those great facilitators, yeah, I mean, we're going to talk about a very, very efficient quarterback that some offense is going to look at and say, hey, we can make this guy our starting quarterback.

we can get him surrounded with a good offensive line, a good run game, good wide receivers, and we're going to have a pretty potent offense if we put the ball in this guy's hand. So I think that's the way that I view Dante Moore, who to me gets a late first, early second round grade for me going into this season. But that's where I've got Dante Moore.

Very similar scouting report from me. Multiple clubs in the bag and layer those throws. I think he's got good feet to navigate the pocket, but he's not fast. And he's slender. The one thing I want to see a little more of, maybe this just is what it is at his size. The control of the football as a pocket passer,

he doesn't feel like a guy that drops back and just has this great control of the football to drive it around the field. So there are some games where he's wearing a glove, either like mostly it's not on his throwing hand, but sometimes it's on his not throwing hand. Like you can even see it in the picture there. It's not in his throwing hand,

but I always wonder like with quarter, quarterbacks who will wear a glove either on both hands, which doesn't happen all the time, or mainly just a hand on the off hand. That's kind of a sign of like, hey, you need a little bit more help with the grip on the football, just because you have smaller hands. So that leads to a little bit less control, kind of like what you were talking about there. It's funny that you bring that up that way because I wrote at the bottom of this, he reminded me at times of Louisville Teddy B.

Ah, okay. Yeah, sure. Like same style Tall and slender Tall enough not tall He's got NFL height Slender More of that

Multiple kind of pitches Kind of thrower Rather than drop back Power grip power arm Right Before Teddy got hurt He can move and navigate the pocket Love Teddy before he got hurt

But not fast And not like breakaway speed Fast So yeah, and I think that is exactly what you, a late first, second round kind of guy is what Dante Moore is. I like Dante Moore. I don't know if I'll ever love Dante Moore. I think Dante Moore can win in the league,

but I don't think he'll ever be in like the tier one quarterback conversation. I'm more excited about, there's way more volatility, but I'm more excited about Messonemaker this year. And Messonmaker might not even go in the first three rounds. He might have a bad year and he's got to go. go back to school and Dante Moore ends up going 16th overall. But I'm more excited for the growth he can take than more.

But I have more ranked higher. Man, tall guy in the chat said Teddy had a wet noodle arm. We did not. Teddy's arm was fine. But more doesn't have a great arm. I actually, I like, so funny enough that you brought up Teddy Ridgewater. He says Teddy has, not had. Oh.

Teddy's arm was probably better before he literally had a life change. lower body injury. Teddy was my early confromanza. It's not crazy. You know? And for the exact same reasons. But I think that Mensa and more are similar

quarterbacks. I think they're in the similar sort of like archetype. They play the game a little bit differently when it comes to how they're approaching, you know, throwing it down the field and when they want to get rid of the football. But I think that like physically, both of them are kind of the same,

which is why, which is why the Teddy comp kind of comes to mind for both of those players. All right, we want to talk about Arch? Yeah, let's run it back. It went so well for us last year. Oh, hold on really quickly.

Peter said, so if he's not in that group, then why was more talked about is the number two overall pick? Because quarterbacks go high. Because what did Trevor say? Trevor said, I think you could win with him. And if you can convince yourself

that you could win with them, you're going to take him. The Jeff's had... Might have failed miserably. Maybe, but if it's it... The NFL draft so often comes now I'm not saying this is correct. I feel like I'm more of a harsh

critic on a lot of these quarterbacks who go higher than the NFL is. But at the end of the day, the phrase is very true. Two teams in this league. One who have a quarterback and ones who don't. And the ones who don't, they're going to take a chance on some all kinds of quarterbacks. Quarterbacks with high ceilings, quarterback's the high floors.

You never know. You just got to get one. Because the ones that don't, don't have jobs for long. No, Peter's saying, but that high, I mean, I get it. That's the desperation. Right. And that was also, and that was also the class, right? Like, for example, if Mendoza was always going number one,

if Dylan Stewart was in last year's class and Dante Moore was in last year's class, and the Jets are taking Dylan Stewart in number two overall, right? So I just don't think that there was a lot that was really against Dante Moore potentially going to overall. So I think the class also goes into that a little bit. But anyways, let's talk about Archmanning. So we set the primer for Archmanning last year and last year's summer scouting when both of us had him as QB1 going into the season.

Five-star quarterback from New Orleans, Louisiana. He is the son of Cooper Manning. Obviously, his grandfather is Archie Manning. His uncles are Peyton and Eli. When Arch attended the same high school that Eli and Peyton attended, arch broke Eli's record for passing yards of over 7,000, and Peyton broke Peyton's record of touchdown passes of 93. started from his true freshman year in high school.

So they call him the anti-Drew Messonmaker in that regard. Committed to Texas, played sparingly in 2023, backed up Quinn Ewers in that season. And then he played two games in 2024, but same thing. Backed up Quinn Ewers in 2024 as well. Started all 13 games in 2025. And it got off to a rough start.

Had a really tough going of Ohio State to start the season. And it was kind of strange, right? Because it felt as though, and I don't know if anybody's come out and said this concretely, but it sure felt like he changed his throwing motion. Something was weird. From, from 2024 to 2025. And I'll get into that throwing motion a little bit more in a second.

But I think that this more sort of like, almost like shot put sidearm throwing motion, he was still working through it against Ohio State. And look, it's really tough your first. start in college football. It doesn't matter whether your last name is Manning or not, to be in Columbus against that Ohio state team. So now we know

who R. Belrice is. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So you give him a little bit of grace in that regard. But as the season went on, Arch got better and better and better. And is he a perfect quarterback? No. But sitting here at almost 6 foot 4, 230 pounds, plus

athleticism for a player who's pushing the scale above 230. The way that he can basically deliver any throw that you possibly want him to make. I think that the distance is a little bit capped for him because of that. Now abbreviated to more sidearm release, I think that goes into, you know, how far he's able to push the ball deep down the field. But the athleticism is a lot more resemblance of Archie than it is, Eli and Peyton.

I thought the footwork looked really good for him last year, especially as the year went on, he got more and more comfortable with it, was more and more consistent with what he was doing. I think he is, as you would expect, for a guy whose last name is Manning, well beyond his years at how he diagnoses defense's pre and post snap. Very ideal out of structure abilities, has that escapeability, good eyes downfield. The quick release can fire off platform. Really good pocket awareness.

I mean, you watch this guy and it's like he's moving around the pocket like you would in the Madden training camp drill, you know, where they're like firing the different balls at you and you got to like go up and down the pocket and everything and then fire whenever the the receiver's icon lights up. I mean, like, that's Archmanning. I mean, the way that he navigates the pocket, the way that he sees the field, the way that he diagnoses defense, it is already at a pro level, as you would expect with a player like that.

And so does he have the greatest arm in the world? No. I think it's certainly an adequate arm for the NFL level. I would call it above average as well, especially for him being able to push it with that sidearm release. But there is so much more to like about Archmanian. He could be at the NFL level than even the criticism that we saw at the beginning of 2025.

So that's also why he is number one for me this year. It's a weird one, right? Because I don't think he's as good of a preseason prospect, like a year out from his draft as Trevor Lawrence or Caleb Williams and Drake May and guys like that. But I think, and there's so much attention on him fair and unfair, where like you said, Trevor, after the Ohio State game, he was massacred by. it felt like every college football fan. Like you guys said, this guy was going to be great.

And I think right now, I thought he plays like a bigger Jackson Dart. That was exactly how I thought he plays. Dart has a good arm, not a great arm. Dart's a good athlete. Arch is a really, really good athlete. I still think he's a little raw sometimes seeing those lurking defenders. I think there's too many misses in the quick game. that he just, he's got a hit because he's just too talented.

He's still growing under pressure. The ball control that I talked about previously on the run is not great. When he's throwing on the run, he will lose control and not throw a perfect ball. But man, like you look at the size, the athleticism, the escapability, the Twitch. The thing I like the most about arches, and I think once again, I think Dart does this really well. He does not need a lot of space in the pocket to unleash throws. No. Especially with the abbreviated throwing motion. Right. Like that's that's the pro. That's the pro of that. The con is that I feel like

there aren't a lot of times 50, 60 yards down the field. He's actually able to deliver it to a wide receiver in stride because he just doesn't have that same drive and juice. But I think the positive is what you mentioned. When he's got to get the ball out quick, he can get the ball out quick. And man, he's going to get to. this year, play with a receiver, that he can go a little bit more effort mode sometimes with Cam Coleman. And I won't spoil the Cam Coleman conversation on this show. That's the wide receiver show. But I think that's going to elevate Arch's confidence to do things after having experience as a starter and having an elite talent out there that is going to bring out the best

in him. Yep. Yep. I am so excited for the Arch Manning and Cam, Coleman pairing. I'm very interested to see. I mean, the big thing for me is, is can you hit the ground running from where you were at the end of last season with Arch? And if you do, we got a hell of a quarterback to watch this upcoming season. And then is it throwing motion the same? Is it the same throw? Because, you know, some people hinted it like, ah, did he have a shoulder injury? Was he playing through something? Texas never said that he was playing through anything. So I'm very curious, is the throwing motion exactly the same this year? And if it is, then obviously we've got two years of a sample size to evaluate and say,

hey, this is really just the quarterback that he is and how he's going to get rid of the football. And we'll obviously continue his analysis throughout this entire season. Let's recap here. Top 12s. Number one, Idarch Manning, obviously.

Dante Moore from Oregon was at number two. Darian Mensa was number three. Trinidad Chamble's four, Jade Maiava, five, Drew Mestamaker at six, Julian San, seven, Lenora Sellers, eight, Sam Levin at nine, C. C.J. car at 10, John Mateer at 11, and then Josh Hoover at 12, Connor.

I at Arch Manning at one, CJ Car at two, Dante Moore at three, Drew Messonmaker at four, Julian Seine at five, Trinidad Chamblis at six, Lenore Sellers at seven, Jaden Maiava at eight, DeMond Williams at Washington at nine, Darien Mensa at 10, Sam Levitt at 11, and John Meteer at 12. Is there a quarterback that didn't make your top 12 that you are, I don't know, most intrigued to say for me it action daniels from florida state is somebody that i'm really intrigued to watch he's a redshirt senior he's six foot two 232 pounds this is a big physical quarterback and he's got really good run game like he is he is great on the run he's a true dual threat

type of a quarterback the passing isn't as consistent as you would want it to be and he needs to speed up his process of how he sees the field but i love the physical gifts that he comes with three straight state championships when he was in high school. He was at Stanford as a wildcat quarterback his first year. 10 starts in 2023, 10 starts in 2024, transferred to Auburn, only played in four games to three starts in 2025, but I think you'll get the chance to be a starting quarterback for Florida

State. So I'm very injured. He reminds me a lot of Trey Lance, where he's like got the physical tools to play at the NFL level, but can he take that next step when it comes to sort of processing scene in the field? But Ashton Daniels is somebody that I'm excited to watch this upcoming season. I'll throw out a small school name that I watch. Jordan Cook from Idaho State. Yeah, I watched him too.

Yeah, 6.3 and a quarter, 241 pounds, Red Shirt Senior. I mean, he's got a NFL quarterback body and NFL quarterback arm. It's just he could throw the ball all over the field, arm strength, arm angles, bucket throws. Delayed process kind of loads up like a bazooka. Mechanics aren't consistent play to play. You know, he was only pressured on 76 of his 416 dropbacks last year, so you don't get to see a lot of him in adversity situations. But definitely, if you want that small school guy out there,

everybody listening to this, Jordan Cook at Idaho State is on the NFL radar. Yeah, some people in the chat are asking about DJ Lagway. Obviously, I watched a ton of Lagway over the last couple of years at Florida. Now he's at Baylor. Well, I mean, Lagway's got tons of armed talent. I mean, he's got physical talent in the NFL or to play in the NFL for days. There's no question about it. But he is just far too erratic with how he reads defenses, especially deep down the field.

Way too many turnover. We've got to be a night and day difference for him at Baylor. We should, before we close this thing out, talk Sorsby today? Or do you want to do that? Is that a longer conversation? I mean, we're going to cover the supplemental draft, I'm assuming. Yeah, so I think where would he have ranked in your in your top 10? I think we could say that really quick.

He would have been nine. So where I had DeMond Williams, he would have been right. He would have been after Sellers in Myabba. He would have been nine. I would have had him somewhere between after Drew Mestemaker and like where C.J. Carr was at 10. Like he would have been somewhere between seven and 10 for me. I don't know exactly.

Yeah, like in that Julian Sanger, Lenora Seller, Sam Levitt, C.J. Carr type of bucket. Like, he would have been, I think he would have been in that, in that spot for me. But we could talk about Soresby because I did the full breakdown for him. Same. And so we can talk about Sorsby when we do our supplemental mock draft episode that we'll do at some. Who gets the first pick? Yeah, yeah, you do, buddy. I'm not doing shit that episode.

He said it's his day off. We'll talk, we'll talk Sorsby because now we need to talk about him. It's a different type of lens that we have to view him through with him going into the NFL versus having another year to be able to continue to get better. But we know there's a lot of other names throughout the college football world that are draft eligible. And we're sure that you guys want to hear our takes on that. We watched a lot more than 12. So hit us up at the comments section. We don't have any super chats to go through with the after the episode portion of the show.

But hit us up in the comments section. We'll read and respond to as many as you possibly can. Let us know what quarterbacks. you want us to give you our thoughts on and give us your quarterback rankings as well. We love hearing from you guys too. This is a scouting community, not just the two of us giving you our rankings. We want to see your rankings as well. Like we said, in the middle of the show, if you're not subscribed to NFL Stock Exchange,

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Love it. The chat grows every year this time of year. I can't believe. I shouldn't say can't believe. I love how many people are so invested into the draft a year before it happens, and it's only getting bigger and better. So shout out to everybody that watched this one live and shout out to everybody that caught it after.

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