NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 219. 2024 NFL Draft Edge Rankings

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their updated Top 15 edge rushers for the 2024 NFL draft following the college football regular season

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast in this episode it's another positional ranking we're talking edge rushers so Connor and I are going to give you our top 10 edge rushers and we're going to go through a lot of these guys in as much detail as we possibly can where we see them versus the rest of the class you know some

outlooks second round guys third round round guys, first round guys. We'll talk about go-to moves, where they win, what holds them back, all that good stuff. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Joining you guys on a midweek edition of the podcast, which means it's time for more positional rankings. Last week, we did wide receiver. Y'all were phenomenal with all the responses and engaging with the show.

We absolutely loved it. We got to hear your thoughts on our thoughts. We got to see your wide receiver rankings. It was an absolute blast. So we are moving on with another premium position today. We're talking edge rusher. So Connor and I are going to give you our top 10 edge rushers as it stands right now, after the regular season, it's really given us a chance to look at some of this regular season film,

get some updates on these guys from a little bit, you know, we go through summer scouting, so we've got a good understanding of these guys but during the season we're trying to watch so many guys live and we don't really get to deep dive now end of the season regular season films in the book we actually do so i'm excited to hear connor what your updated edge rush rankings are because like we've said before although we are friends we don't each other. I'm going to preface that by saying that we don't really text each other about it because we want to hear it on the show.

So I'm genuinely excited to hear what your address rankings are going to be. What you're telling people is we sacrifice our friendship for the sake of content. We kind of do. That is we kind of do. Absolutely factual during weeks like this. Listen, edge rush is edge rushers are always one of my favorite groups. I know you really like evaluating this position group. We obviously set a really big baseline during summer scouting.

I would say, this is a funny thing to say at the top of the show, but I would say the mid-grading point, mid-ranking point, which is what we're doing today before final rankings, which will be post-combine combine this is the one to me not in the front end like the top dudes are the top dudes but on the back end that i find changes the most because i don't think i put more weight into any other position more than edge when it comes to the athletic testing and i'm not saying a guy's a combine warrior and he goes from player 200 to 55. But this is a position.

That if you go through the history of it. Time and time again. More often than not. The guys that have success. Are really really good athletes. With the right kind of build. And the right kind of trajectory. I think back to last year.

If I was doing a show this time last year, Yaya Diaby wasn't a guy that was top of mind for me. And by the end of the process, with his testing, a recheck of his film, seeing how he wasn't used the right way, in my opinion, in college, I ended up being really, really high on him. So that's a really fun thing to keep in mind here.

But this is- Tim, you're a legend. He looks pretty good, doesn't he? I know he does. Yeah, I thought so this is really bucking your legend. Yeah. He looks pretty good. Doesn't he? I know he does. Yeah. I thought he should be playing more. Yeah.

I think he looks good. So this is a show that the evolution of these rankings will be really fun to track over the next three to four months. Yeah. So full transparency, as you would say, hand up. I did not get to as many of these guys as i wanted to say this week um i

only got to 12 or 13 of these guys and that's because when it went when the final regular season film comes out yeah we still got like bowl season so that film could matter a little bit but i am genuinely trying to watch at least four or five games of all of these players and some of it will come from the previous year. Cause I like to remind myself of kind of the background of where they're coming from and how they got better, but it's a lot more time consuming to do post regular season film. So this is a position,

like you said, hopefully this episode is a really good baseline for you guys. I watched a lot of the notable players that you've kind of heard about. And so you get to hear our breakdowns and our rankings after their regular seasons here have finished. So it's more of that. This isn't the episode where we're going to give you the gems of the edge rush class yet. Like these sleepers, these day three guys.

Exactly. That will come in a future episode. But with this position being such a premium, one that could be drafted as high as we've seen before, number one overall. Not that I think we have a guy in this class, but when you're good at edge, the NFL is going to find you and covet you. You got to get after the passer. So there's a lot of guys that are very intriguing. And I love that you brought up the athletic aspect of this.

And as this episode is going to go on, you're going to hear a lot of that because there are players in this class who I think are great technicians, guys who really win with their hands, really win with leverage, really win with their pass rush arsenal, their moves, their high football IQ, their fundamentals, everything, but they might not be the best athlete. And that means that maybe there's some players who are a little bit higher, a little bit lower than them. And so it's always a great conversation. So, buddy, you want to start this one off? What we we can do is because we're not going to go as in-depth as we did for wide receiver just because there are more wide receivers we want to talk about our top tens

but we figured a good way to do this would be to go 10 to 6 you kind of list off your guys we'll have a back and forth conversation and then i'll give you my 10 to six and then we'll really get into the weeds with the players that we have in the top five yeah I think that's the easiest way to do it and it this is a funny position group because there are some pairings in this one like guys that like pass rush tandems or guys that are just playing in the same front seven um but you want me to take this one away yeah six yeah so 10 for me was uh and let me clarify this too brandon doorless trevor and i are both gonna have him as a d line so if you are a big brandon doorless oregon guy don't panic that he's not on the show i think we've

both been pretty high on him he'll be evaluated evaluated with the interior defensive lineman i'm going to start here at 10 with adiza isaac penn state pass rusher that is not chop robinson he had himself a really really nice year two years removed from significant injury looks like the player everybody thought he could be next up jack sawyer ohio state uh kind of a jack-of-all-trades not really a pass rush artist but definitely a really good player in the front seven number eight chris braswell from alabama a guy that plays with dallas turner who people are really really high on braswell is that other edge and if you're you heard all these names over summer scouting if you've been with us that long uh jt tui maloow JT Tuimaloau is next up for me at seven or six. No, seven.

I'm good at math. He's number seven. This is going great. He's number seven. And then number six was Braylon Trice from Washington, a man that can have like 16 pressures in a game playing in the pack when he runs in one of those pass happy teams so uh trevor i'm very curious to hear yours and then we could have an open discussion about this

group okay so yeah we'll definitely be having a discussion about a couple of these guys and it'll intertwine a little bit um so 10 i have jack sawyer uh from ohio state i've got him at number 10 um really good run defender. Really good all-around athlete. I just don't know if he's high ceiling in any area. So we can get into that and we can talk about that. Nine, I actually have this teammate, JT Tui Maloau from Ohio State. Sort of the same thing. I think that JT Tui Maloau is a little bit better of an athlete,

a little bit bigger, has a little bit more length to him, which gives him the edge over Sawyer, who Sawyer actually graded out higher than Tui Maloau did. But I think both of those guys, former five stars, I think they're good, solid football players. But I think there's some guys above this list who have a little bit higher ceilings than they do. Did you watch Jonah Ellis from Utah? Yes. Okay. So did he make the top 10 or was he just not in the top 10 okay okay all right okay all right so i got you so i have jonah ellis at eight um and then i have i have chop robinson at seven wow seven yeah yeah and i know i know we're gonna we're gonna have the chop robinson conversation

a lot like we had the keon coleman conversation i have him at seven, and then I have Braylon Trice at six. Okay. So I guess I want to start with this so he doesn't get lost in the shuffle. Isaac did not make your top ten, or is he in the top five? Isaac did make my top ten. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty big time. Okay, so we'll save that.

We'll save him and Ellis because those are obviously guys that made our top tens that we each have in different places. I think we open it up with Chop and then the Ohio State guys. Sure, sure. I mean, I'll give you the floor because this is the lowest I've seen somebody on Chop Robinson. And I understand. Listen, he's not insanely far away from me, from you. I'm not going to, I'm going to tease it up.

Like he's not number one for me. Okay. So what is he five? He's four. Okay. So he's four. All right. So chop Robinson, Penn state, five-star edge rusher, insane athlete,

sick name, sick, sick. Yeah. No question about it. His name, he was nicknamed pork chop i think by his dad um or somebody when he was a baby and then they just shortened it to chop because they couldn't call him pork chop for much longer because then he probably just became like this ripped athlete when he got to high school was playing football but the nickname kind of stuck so now it's just chop it was shortened from pork chop now it's just chop so it is a sick name there There's no doubt about it.

He's got a sick throwback pass rusher aesthetic, wears 44, no gloves, long sleeve. I mean, he's just, so you love to see that. He was in, to give you an idea of how athletic this guy is, he was in Bruce Feldman's Freak List article, clocked at a 4-4'47 40-yard dash. And he is, just to give you guys an idea, he is 6'3, 250 pounds. So he's clocked at a 4'47, which I looked things up on Mock Draftable.

That would be the 98th percentile of edge rushers. He had a 4'22 short shuttle, which would be 88th percentile. And he also had a broad jump of 10 foot 7 inches, which would be in the 93rd percentile. Oh, by the way, he can also bench press over 400 pounds. When you look at some PFF statistics from him, and I'm listing off a lot of the good. Pass first grade. Now, this is, again, over the last two years, it was like wide receivers bigger sample size matters so i go 2022 and 2023 he had a pass rush grade of 93.9 over the last two years combined pass pass rush grade on true passing sets so that's you know you're taking out like rpos you're taking out quick stuff this is when the quarterback is doing an actual drop back.

So it's a real pass rush rep that matters. It's not just to get the ball out of the hands quick. 92.6 pass rush grade. Pass rush win percentage, 20.9%. That's in the 97th percentile. Run defense grade, pretty good as well, 77.4%. Run stopping percentage, 7.4. And he had a wins above average score foraverage score for us of 0.24,

which is pretty high. The highest was actually last season. So not this season, but last season, he had a 0.35. He had a little bit lower of a wins-above-replacement average this year. This is a crazy athlete. It does not take you very long to see that the problem is for me when he does not win off of athleticism what am i getting from him because a lot of people will talk about chop robinson and they'll be like yeah i mean he didn't have the best production, but he's a crazy athlete.

So like, it's like, all right, you think that gets easier at the NFL level? No. If you, if Robinson is a story for me of somebody who wins off basically athleticism alone right now, there's not a lot of pass rush moves to him. He's not really swiping the hands away. He doesn't really do that. He doesn't have great length or leverage.

He's got a sick first step. He's got great pursuit speed. I think he's got good flexibility. He's got good change of direction, like all that as an athlete, he's fantastic, but he doesn't have a lot of pass rush moves. He does not have a lot of pass rush counters. If he doesn't win with athleticism, he's not getting off the block. And he was not, he wasn't as bendy as like, I feel like some people talk about him to be. If he does not win with his first step, here's the thing. He's not winning. And the thing is that he is so physically gifted with that first step that he won a lot. A 20.9% pass-rich win percentage, it's really damn good. But I went back and I actually looked this up because I have this in my scouting summary of him. of his backfield production comes from feasting off of inferior offensive tackles because if you

go to chop Robinson's PFF profile it is a it is a roller coaster of boomer bus statistics I mean he's got games where he's winning he's got a passers win percentage of like 50 he's got like two games in the 50s he's got three games in the 40s he's got two games in the 30s it's like holy cow man if you have pass or swing percentages this high a bunch of them i'm actually wondering how how are you only a 20 percent like how are you not like something even crazy higher and it and it caused me to do some more research on the offensive tackles that he went up against so i went back and i watched all of his pressures of the games in which he recorded more than a 30 percent pass or swing percentage actually i think it was just i think it was a 20 so we had one two three four five six games in 2022 where that was the case and he had four games this season where he recorded a pass-rush win percentage above 20%.

Of all of the offensive tackles that he recorded a pressure on, only two of them, two, had pass-blocking grades above 66% or pass-rush grades, pass-blocking grades above 66% for the season. Everybody else, man, that he went up against, that he feasted on, 65.4, 36.2, 40.3, 61.1, 46.5. These are pass-blocking grades for the whole season. 57.5, 56.1, 54.4, 33.4. So a lot of Chop Robinson's production,

a lot of these crazy reps have come from offensive tackles that are not going to be playing in the league. They're not good offensive. Now, there are a couple in there. There are two in there that have graded really well with pass rush above 70, a score of 70. And he got those guys a couple times, and I don't want to take any

anything away from him in that regard but i get really scared when he's got short strides in his legs he doesn't really win with length he doesn't have i i don't think he has long arms. He's not as bendy as he is twitchy. And if he does not demolish you to the outside or, I mean, let's face it. There are plenty of reps where people can show him using his quickness inside against guards and centers. Of course, he's going to destroy those guys. They're a lot slower. But the true edge rush one-on-one snaps against good offensive tackles. There's just not a lot of it.

And for a player who is as physically gifted as Chop Robinson is, he does not have the production that makes you very confident to think that he's still going to be able to do stuff like that at the NFL level. Could he get way better with his hands? Because his hands are fast and violent. Could he get way better with his hands and become an absolute technician where guys can't even get hands on him? Because if that's the case, yeah, he's blown by a lot of these guys

and he's going to be a really successful pro. But he's just so one-dimensional right now. After two years of starting at Penn State, he is so one-dimensional right now. After two years of starting at Penn State, he is so one-dimensional with his athleticism that, like we even said during the wide receiver episode, right? The NFL is the best of the best. It's really, really hard, even for the best athletes. Like, people look at Micah Parsons, they go, oh, what about Micah Parsons? Micah Parsons got moves, man. Micah Parsons will set you up. Micah Parsons knows what he's doing.

That's not the same type of prospect that we're talking about here, at least for the way that Chop Robbins is going to be going into the NFL. So I understand people are going to yell at me for this because he is a crazy athlete. And like you said at the beginning of the podcast, you bet on crazy athletes. His grade for me is not going to be lower than like a second round pick, late second round pick. I think at the very worst. But in terms of him versus some of the

other guys that we're going to talk about later in the show, these other guys do it a lot more in a more translatable way to me and a lot more consistently than Chop Robinson did. So that's how I see him. It's interesting. I think the picture that's been illustrated of chop compared to what he is tells a lot of different stories, right? I think you're definitely on the low end. I would classify myself right in the middle and then there'll be people on the high end. I just dropped the top 75 for NBC sports. He was not in my top 20, but I still liked a lot of things about shop because number one, he's still 20 years old as we're recording this podcast. So this is a guy

that is a starter for Penn state for the last two years, but doing it at a really, really young age where he'll play basically his entire rookie season in the NFL as a 21-year-old. So I think that's a positive. I think he'll get, I think there's a lot of time for him to develop. Now, if you need somebody to come in and be effective right away, he's going to be set up to fail. Because you made the point, Trevor, that there's not a lot of counter moves with him. Like he's got, the burst off the snap is phenomenal and i think he has

bend but to your point it's not this like rare elite bend i think it's because he rushes so low and he has so much burst that he creates angles for himself corners for himself that a lot of guys can't like a lot of guys are that don't have this kind of burst but can bend you see it because they have to do that but with chop it feels like he knows how to create his own rush lanes um i would like to see more pass rush moves i remember going all the way back to my summer notes like watching him thrown to the ground all the time against dewan jones was something that really frustrated me. DeJuan Jones, I made sure to go back and I watched the DeJuan Jones film and it's like, all right, that's an NFL offensive tackle.

Now DeJuan Jones is a, you know, 99th, 98th percentile guy when it comes to like wingspan and everything. But that was an example of he could not get around Juan Jones at all. And there, there are some, and I was in this camp a little bit myself where it's like, Oh, you're drafting this guy off traits, no matter what, basically in the top half of the first round.

And I just don't know if that's really the case. He's he, to me, he's just so one dimensional, even with that one dimension being athleticism, I just didn't see enough outside of that, man. I just didn't see enough. Yeah, no, I get it. The thing is, guys like this will always go early

because for every miss, there are examples over the years. I think back to, and this isn't the right comp, but in terms of looking for more production and dominance, Daniil Hunter is a guy that i remember when he got drafted or people really liked him in the draft and this is a long time ago it was like man he wasn't that productive but he's only 20 he's kind of a freak will that green light come on and when it did you start to see why teams do this right i think that i mean you just go back the edge rushers drafted over the years there there's reaches all the time and he is a boomer

bust pick because he has not turned into that snap by snap dominant pass rusher because he doesn't have the full plan unlocked but he's young enough where you think you could develop the plan and he's athletic enough that like this is what the elite athletes the position look like his combine will be out of this world it'll be out of this world but the problem the problem is why he comes at number four for me is there's a guy that's more productive and a freak athlete ahead of him and then the other two guys are athletic enough for me that their production cannot be ignored so that's what's going to hurt chop is that in some classes you have to take the risk because there might not be somebody else there in that spot.

But in this class, there are guys that maybe aren't the same athlete, but they're good enough from an athletic threshold standpoint that have been insanely dominant over the span of college football for the last two years. So I think, I think about Vic Beasley when I think about Chop Robinson because Vic was a crazy athlete and goes, I think, number eight. Yeah, number eight of the 2015 NFL Draft because of it. Beasley had four sacks his first season as a rookie, had 15 and a half the next season,

and then he went five sacks, five sacks, eight sacks. Now he's out of the league. Well, he's a one-dimensional guy too. You couldn't even get like anything out of him besides that. But that's what I'm worried about. Right, of course. There's bus potential here. No one's denying that.

Because that's what I see it. I think about Vic Beasley when I see Chob Robinson. And is that somebody that you still probably draft in the top 50 yeah probably um even even with that him not living up to expectations just because he's a great athlete but he's it's not a it's not a one for one he has the exact same game as beasley but beasley was the crazy athlete um who people bet on it hit for one season that sophomore season and it didn't hit again and so that's it just worries me when you're that one-dimensional about yeah you know it's wild with vick before his final college season like the two years leading up to that he had 21 sacks like vick dominated college

football i and dude and chop he doesn't he doesn't i agree he doesn't but the but the flashes are he doesn't even he doesn't even with tackles for loss no like he he had 10 tackles for loss in 2022 he had five and a half sacks this past season he had seven and a half tackles for loss and four sacks like it's just that's not he has, in three years of playing, two years of starting, he has 11 and a half sacks. That's like. But to be fair, he got hurt this year. And I do wonder, I do want, because we don't get a lick of, we don't even know, like, concussion, upper body, lower body, no idea.

He missed two games. He was down on the field a while for that injury. Like, I always always these are the things that i really want to know more about that's i don't know man i just watched him and got really spooked i looked at the tackles that he's gone up against it's been absolutely feasting on bad offensive tackles and outside of that there has not been a lot of production. But let me ask you this. If you can't produce in college. Did you like David Ajabo? Relatively. Yeah.

Because I feel like. He obviously got hurt. And that hurt his draft stock. But he was somebody that. Was a flashy guy. For a little bit in college. But you were really drafting the athlete. I'm just saying that like,

yeah, Ojabo was at least bigger and taller. Like I see. So Ojabo was six. Uh, let me look, I'm talking like, like college.

Cause you know, these Penn state guys come into the combine. Ojabo plays a two 65 now, but I'm talking as a prospect. I mean, Michigan has him listed as six. He was two 250 at the combine so he's six foot four i even think the chop's smaller than that okay and i i don't i think i

think he was gonna lose the length battle also more than you do it seems i think he's average in terms of that department also ojabo in his last year at at Michigan still had 12 tackles for loss and 11 sacks. Yeah. But you were betting on the athlete with that pick. It wasn't like a – I remember that take. It was like watching an ISO basketball player. But that's what I'm saying. You understand what I'm saying? I agree with you that you're betting on the athlete in both of these cases.

But we were betting on the athlete of David Ojabo, and he still gave us double-digit tackles for loss and double digit sacks we didn't we didn't even get half of that with chop robinson yeah i think at the end for me i would take him at the end of the first round i still would i'm just spooked man yeah spooked i i just yeah let's get to the ohio state guys because i don't want to i don't want to lose sight of them. My honest evaluation, boring, and I mean that as a compliment. Like, they are going to be longtime NFL players, and they might not be guys that every kid in the stand is wearing jerseys of, but they might be guys that can play every down.

They have good hands. I'll start with Sawyer first before I go to Tui Maloao. Okay. Sawyer, you said it best. He's not great at anything. I called him a jack of all trades. He's got a well-built body. He's got short arms. He plays every rep very hard. He has a power profile to him that i think plays at the next level he can stack and shed and get off blocks against the run like he gets set the edge like everybody this is good this is the perfect contrast to the chop combo we just had everybody wants to get in a sports car and go 120 miles an hour down the highway. But like, sometimes you need the pickup truck to set the edge,

play the run, play boring ass first and second down and get the team into third nine. So the Ferraris can start driving off the edge. That is Sawyer to me in a nutshell. Like it really, really is. This is a dude that will do everything asked of him and it won't always be pretty. He'll probably have six effort sacks when he's playing at his best at the

NFL level. And there's nothing wrong with that. And then with Tui Malo, how he's a little bit more fascinating because he's not overly productive, but he's the only guy in the world. It feels like they can give for Shanu Who? An interesting rep here or there, right? To him,

a low has tape against good tackles that he wins, but it's so fascinating to me. He's not a dominant snap by snap pass rusher at all. He's honestly probably the smartest edge edge. I watched in this group, like instincts and awareness and hand usage. He is. And with his eyes um

just like Sawyer the effort's phenomenal I don't really see light feet these guys both don't bend they're not flexible like they're gonna have to stick their hands in your chest and push you back eight out of the ten reps there you know I've seen sometimes them try things like a spin or maybe a long arm but their game is predicated on power and leverage but they're really good at it and they get off blocks and they know how to keep hands off of them and they are going to be starters at the nfl level they just will never be double digit sack players in my eyes yeah i agree with you i i think i see them pretty much similar the similarly to the way that you do i could just read my um read my little blurs for both these guys because it's pretty much the same thing

so here's a smart strong defensive end prospect who brings all-around ability to the position he's got a high floor as a player due to his consistent strong hand usage, especially in run defense. His hands are fast and precise inside to dictate contact and not yield ground versus the run. He also has a good understanding of pass rush plans, both inside and out, strength and speed. I saw him in multiple games go for the outside rush a couple of times and then perfectly time an inside counter. Or go with speed a couple of times and then perfectly time and inside counter or you know go with speed a couple of

times and then perfectly counter just when the tackle oversets to take with the speed boom those hands come inside all of a sudden they're on skates and he's pushing him straight to the lap of the quarterback so I love that he's also rarely fooled or out of position I think Sawyer's first step is adequate especially out of a three-point stance when he can get low. But the pursuit speed, like step number four, five, six, below average. Pick up truck. It's definitely below average. And if he was better in that area,

I think I might have him significantly higher on that list. But just outside of that first burst, there's not a lot that's happening after that. He'll also likely lose the length battle against most NFL offensive tackles. Likely won't be a takeover pass rusher, but for how strong and reliable he is, he's got a high floor as a three-down player. And then two of them low out. Smart football player, has fantastic instincts, even as just a true junior,

which manifests in clutch pass breakups on screens and against quick passes. A good all-around athlete for a player who's 6'4", 270, shows that by how comfortable he is and how often he can win with leverage from a two- and a three-point stance. His go-to moves, definitely the long arm or the extended arm bull rush. He likes to use his length and likes to just get people back into the lap of the quarterback, but also has a pretty nice spin move counter he likes to use.

Shows good technique for run defense, but is not always this is something that that that was a hang-up for him i think he's got good technique for run defense but he's not always dictating with his strength i noted this even tight ends sometimes like would tie him up and it's like dude you i mean you got to be able to push pull this tight end this guy weighs 20 less pounds than you you got to be able to get him off and it just didn't see that aggressiveness and urgency with him um i think the athleticism is adequate all around but it also kind of feels a little bit low ceiling with him at times so these are both just really steady good football players when it comes to the flash the high are they going to be your potential takeover types of pass rushers not

sure that they're going to be that so i agree with your assessment completely i think they're really solid football players they're going to be rotational players in the league at worst but both of these guys could eventually be starters at the nfl level okay let's talk about chris braswell since we both had him uh on our six to ten he's a guy that 2022 two and a half sacks five hits 21 hurries 18.4 percent pass rush win rate the numbers go up in 23 eight sacks 10 quarterback hits 31 more hurries but the pass rush win rate stays the same 18.6 so it got a little better right um he's someone that got a little bit more opportunity to me trevor he's just got legit power and effort as a rusher oh like I saw the long arm I saw the speed to power I saw the bull rush even when the arms and

legs are flying all over the place like the effort just goes like he's always trying because you know those guys on the back end whether it's Teron Arnold or Kool-Aid McKinstry, like they can cover. So Alabama gets some chances for coverage sacks as well. I think with him, the one thing that left me frustrated was for how much power he has as a rusher. I didn't think he was a strong run defender. Like I didn't like, I saw him with knockback power when he got a runway.

Yeah. As a pass rusher, but when it was time to hold the point of attack on the line of scrimmage, I saw him get pushed back by the better offensive lines. I thought he had a good game as a rusher against Auburn and Georgia, but I saw reps against the run where I'm like, man, he gets blown off the ball in this spot. I think I was left wondering if he's a little bit

of a not one-dimensional but you true power rusher but not a great run defender I just saw a little bit of a limited role for him and maybe that's why Alabama's had him in a limited role before this year yeah you know that part of it is is interesting right is did he not play nearly as much last year because it was simply will anderson was in front of them you know a lot of talent there's reps in 2022 and i watched a couple of games from him in 2022 where dallas turner will anderson and chris brazel are on the field at the same time and i mean that's just that's some insane talent this dude's a five-star defensive end prospect it's kind of taking him a little bit and nick saban actually talked about this a little it really has taken him until his

senior year which is this year to really feel truly comfortable and confident playing from a stand-up outside linebacker position right because alabama their scheme is three down linemen heavier guys and then the fourth guy is normally a stand-up pass rusher so you know that would that would be will anderson or it kind of depends on the the personnel that you have on the field but braswell came in as a defensive end prospect and he weighed a lot less. I think he's put on, I think I read this, like 30 or 35 pounds since he got to Alabama. But he came in as a hand-in-the-dirt defensive end prospect. Well, he was going to have to gain weight anyways, but Alabama's defensive ends,

I mean, they're not playing at 255, where he's currently playing. Alabama's defensive ends are playing at 275, 280. They're playing much bigger. So he had to kind of learn and be comfortable with that outside linebacker role, rushing more from a two-point stance. And you can just tell he's a lot more comfortable from that. I have him at number four because I'm just, I was so impressed by this dude's athletic ability.

And it's kind of funny because even though I have him at four and I have Chop at seven, some of the conversations are going to be a little bit the same although i like braswell's flexibility a little bit better and i actually think braswell's got longer arms and so the big he does the big difference of where i have braswell versus where I have chop is I think chops not going to lose the length battle nearly as much. And I think he's a little bit more flexible than, uh, than chop Robinson, which means the world as an athletic pass rusher, this dude, I absolutely love this first step. You mentioned the 18.5% pass rush win percentage. That's in the 94th percentile he had a 20.3 pass rush win percentage i believe in 2023 which is um 94th percentile as well this unless i'm reading the wrong thing but i think it might

actually i'd have been at 18.6 but it's close that's close okay okay so that was yeah here we go i'm just gonna take this out now that's the middle of the show so i don't get confused next time run defense grade though you're right 64 65.6 run defense grade cumulative over the last couple of seasons uh his best win above replacement average was obviously this past year because he played the most and he had the biggest um impact on the team but that was 0.16 i think that this is absolutely the type of athlete that you draft and develop. The way that I say this at the end of his scouting summary that I have is even if he does not become a technician of a pass rusher, his raw power, speed, and length present a rotational role at worst and an impact starter at best.

So the way that this guy you mentioned, it is funny that you said this is a power guy because I agree with you. He is kind of a power guy, but he's a power guy because, it's not because he weighs a ton. He's like 250, 255 pounds. He's a power dude because he gets off the ball

with so much explosiveness. Dude, who's going to blow up the combine? This guy's 10-yard split, I think, should be insane. The way that he is able to use speed to power, it is a go-to move of his. So to me, his scouting reports a lot like Chop Robinson in the fact that these guys both need to be better with their hands. They need to be better with their hand timing, their hand placement.

They need to have a better mastery of pass rush moves, even if it's just speed moves. Better pass rush moves. Need to be more comfortable with the club rip, with the swipe and dip, like whatever it is. But, like I said, he's got the longer length. I don't think he's losing that the way that Chop is. And I actually, he's got the longer length. I don't think he's losing that the way that chop is.

And I actually think he's got more flexibility. So that's why I had him at number four, very similarly to the reasons why you and a lot of other people I know are going to love chop Robinson. I just saw less deficiencies with Braswell. So that's kind of how I saw those guys. Okay. So then we move into, well, to Braylon Trice. Where did you have Trice? So I had six so did i okay i'm sure we saw i think we saw in the same over summer um

you want to start what sure yeah so trice uh washington edge rusher six foot three 270 pounds thick dude yeah so and you like that he's got that higher weight on him because he is a crash straight into you type of a player i said this in my scouting report trice is a disruption is production kind of a player his sack totals over the last couple of years relatively low compared to some of his peers but his name is near the top of the list in total pressures forced he loves the physical part of playing the game he's also got over 1400 snaps over the last two years i mean this guy's on the field a lot so they trust him as a run defender they trust him as a run defender. They trust him as a pass rusher. Everything, man. He has a really high win above replacement score.

Average of.38, which is, shoot, that might be the highest on this list. Latu might be a little bit higher than him. We'll have to see. I got to double check. But he actually had a.40 this year. I mean, he was super impactful. He is somebody who goes all out all times. He's going to be a bull rush specialist for you. He's going to go straight into your chest. He's

looking to go through you as a pass rush plan. I kind of wish he had a little bit more finesse in his game. And the thing with Trice for me, ultimately, the reason why I left him out of the top five is because I love the way he physically plays the game, but you will notice that he has some stiffness to him and some lack of flexibility when it comes to like turning the corner and, you know, like beating the outside, the outside shoulder, because you'll watch the Washington game and Washington aligns him in a more

wider alignment, like a wide seven, a wide nine. And it's to give him a straight path to the quarterback. He doesn't have to bend the ankle. in a more wider alignment, like a wide seven, a wide nine, and it's to give him a straight path to the quarterback. He doesn't have to bend the ankle. He doesn't have to dip the shoulder. It's just more of a straight line right to the quarterback.

And so if he still gets to kind of have that specialized package role in the NFL, I think he could be really successful. But I wonder if a team looks at him and says, hey, six foot3", 270 pounds, let's put your hand in the dirt. We're going to put you as a five technique. We're going to put you right above the head of the offensive tackle. Go win, attack the outside shoulder, and corner him.

I don't know how well he's going to be able to do that. He'll still be able to be plenty physical with NFL offensive tackles, but on those speed rush outside shoulder situations, if you don't line him up a little bit further, does he have that flexibility to turn the corner? That's really the big drawback of why I had him outside the top five. Me too. When you watch him, I mean, just he's a complete bull in a china shop, right? It's wild when you watch him play.

There are reps where he literally runs through tackles like they're drywall it just goes right through them and they collapse the ground right um now i will give him this kind of credit he does have some five pitch pitcher in him and what i mean by that is he doesn't just keep running into guys until they eventually fall back and he gets a sack he has counters like he knows how to get off blocks he even a couple of times where he was tied up i saw him spin off blocks i saw him use that long kind of euro step to counter and cross the face of tackles while creating that out uh that inside rush lane he's got a nasty little inside step over you're right i noted that multiple times it's it's kind of like

when you go out and play pickup basketball with somebody that looks like you're like you're not really expecting much and then they have some touch on the jumper and you're like oh like that's what it was to me while watching him i was like damn you have that like the right the body doesn't match that right right so that was cool man he and I love that you brought up the snap count this guy's played so much football he's just a he's a true workhorse like and there's something to that there really is I mean think about the stamina you have to have playing in a conference like this that there's so many offensive plays and he just he plays. He just plays them all. So Trice, he doesn't have some of the the shininess that some of the higher end blue chip guys have. But undoubtedly, there's a floor with him that you feel really, really good about, probably at the top of the second round.

Yep. As both a pass rusher and run defender because of the power profile but when he throws in those change-ups there to cross your face inside he keeps tackles honest i i think that he's a he's a really nice player man i don't know i don't know where he's gonna end up going i don't know if the nfl is gonna look at him and see some of those limitations and say nah he's not a first round pick or right like end of the first round is gonna go no no no like you said defensive line iron man loves the physical parts of the game like you mentioned has a little bit more finesse than you would expect and if that's gonna be enough for just somebody to say yeah get him in our rotation i feel like they will just you know

we'll talk about how much you know a premium position can really elevate a guy's prospect or a guy's scouting report. Like, okay, maybe the film grade says he's a second-round player, but he plays edge and he's got these qualities that you love. You'll be okay drafting him at the back end of the first round. I feel like that's going to be Braylon Trice. So I would lean more towards that towards towards him being back out of the first round guy do you agree yes all right well we got to get our into our top fives but before we do got to talk about securing your family's financial future with our friends over at fabric fabric by gerber life makes it quick easy and affordable to protect your family so you can get

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Price is subject to underwriting and health questions. So who haven't we hit? Do we hit five for you? Five for me is Jonah Ellis. Okay, so I have Jonah Ellis. Where did I have him? Eight, but I'm mad about it. You should be.

Yeah, I'm mad about it. Yeah. He won'm mad about it yeah i haven't he won't be he won't be eight for you by the end of this thing no so i honestly i had him funny enough like in all seriousness i had him five before i kept watching some other games because you know like i'll i'll throw in i'll type in some of the numbers of the film grade and i'll spit out the the overall film score that i have for these players after i'll do that after like two or three games and then i'll probably watch one or two more and if it changes i'll tweak something whatever so i had him at five but that just goes to show you the difference is very small between five and eight because there are a couple points that i lowered him in in a certain category that i'm

sure we'll talk about i'm curious if you talk about it but you like him a lot you got him at number five utah edge rusher jonah ellis what do you think i mean if pre-workout was an edge rushing prospect like this this is it right here it really woke af yeah right the jack 3d yeah of edge rushers jonah ellis is an absolute lunatic man he really is and he's actually uh one of the best stories of prospects this year this is somebody that had three sacks last year he had 12 this year so So yeah, an insane jump. Yeah. Now we'll save some of the question marks later. We'll just start with him.

This is somebody that clearly and if you know this family, like this family is a football family. So it's no surprise to hear this next part. But this is somebody that really works on his moves and his plan. The hand usage, getting off the ball, the spin move, put some tackles in a blender. It wasn't like where you saw it once and it worked. There's a couple of sacks from him that he just completely erases the tackle's hands and spins and directly runs right to the quarterback. I think he's someone that...

It's not that he's overly... He's twitchy, right? Like the change of direction. He could stutter step and work around you and club and rip. But there's also something to him where i think he gets off the ball well enough and can turn the corner it's a little tight up top because he's kind of like he's a little muscular up top where it doesn't look as crazy as some guys but he can turn the corner you see it in the ankles you've seen in the hips a little bit and he that's how he really knows how to corner into the pocket when he lands at the quarterback i mean it's like watching you know like when you

like roll out a bed sheet that's what the quarterback looks like they go flying like the hits are the but like he the strip sacks and stuff on the tape it's it's different it's different he doesn't just land on the quarterback or wrap like he drives through quarterbacks um the tape's really fun man it really is i think that where i i get a little stuck with him at times is it is a different build he's listed 6-2 he's listed 246 i don't know if he's 6-2 i don't think i don't right i'm leaning more like six feet and a half yeah and i don't think he's while he's in very good shape he clearly has like what family work ethic when you just look at him and once again this guy comes from a football

family i'm not betting against him he's edge rusher five for me but i think there are size limitations that i wonder how he's used at the next level like is this only a three four stand up guy right that's kind of how i saw him and a lot of the way that you highlighted i feel very very similarly. I have a category called go-to moves that I just list a lot of the effective moves that these guys have him and lot to have the most. Oh yeah. I mean, I've got written down and these are moves that I see. This is not just like attempting. I, this means I see you do it and pull it off. Push, pull, move, swim, move, two handed, swipe, dip and rip, stab and swipe, inside spin, bull rush, and then I have in parentheses, wins more with technique than strength

because that kind of ultimately gets into my conversation about him. This dude was awesome this past year. If you just look at 2023, 90.1 pass rush grade, 91.3 pass rush grade on true pass sets, 17.9 pass rush win percentage, and it wins above replacement score of 0.16. The family background, you mentioned his dad played in the NFL, 10-year vet, played for the Lions and the Broncos, I believe. Now, his dad, funny enough. So I wondered about this as I was going through his scouting report because there's so much that i really like about ellis like i think that he i think him isaac and um dallas

turner actually might have like the best natural corner ability i throw a lot to in there as well like in this class you know these are guys who just understand angles and cornering doesn't just have to do with how flexible your ankles are. Like it, it also has to do with you being a master of, let's say you're doing like a little club rip move, right? Let's say you,

you swipe the hands away with the club and then you bring the hand up to rip. It's also about not just your your flexibility but also your weight distribution you know you leaning up against the offensive tackle shoulder and then the then is then his outside shoulder and then the back a little bit and you are almost like slingshotting yourself with momentum around the corner so cornering is an art as much as it is an athletic and flexibility gift that some of these guys have and i think that ellis does it really really well so his dad i mentioned former

nfl player was actually a defensive tackle and his dad was like 315 his dad was like 6 5 3 15 and his brother is too no i looked up his brother he's got a couple brothers christian and caden who caden plays in the nfl now i think christian did i don't think christian does anymore both of them were like six foot two 235 pounds like 230 235 pounds okay jonah is listed at six two two 46 no i'm talking about noah do you know do you know noah no what did no way i didn't i didn't no noah is 367 wait what yeah he's the size of a tractor trailer is he playing the league noah is on the eagles practice squad okay so the eagles have him and christian is christian still there uh let's see christian is on the active roster for the patriots oh so he's with the patriots now yeah no no no is the beefy

child dude what the hell okay so this might help me this might actually elevate jonah ellis into the top five because the thing that I'm actually worried about the most, I love so much about his game, but I think that there are, there are strength deficiencies. If he goes up against double teams, if it's a tackle and a tight end against him, he's getting blown off the ball. And there are a lot, there are other tight, just straight up offensive tackles that he went up against. Now this was worse in 2022 than it was in 2023. Cause he got better at getting off blocks, but he didn't get off blocks necessarily with strength. It's not like he got better at getting off blocks. But he didn't get off blocks necessarily with strength.

It's not like he was holding his own as much. I've got strength concerns with Ellis, and it's just overall weight concerns. And there's a line that I have at the end of his scouting summary that says, in order for him to remain a difference maker like he was in 2023, he will have to get stronger. If he can get to around 255 to 260 pounds and remain as quick and flexible as he is now we're talking about an impactful pass rush yep but if not then you're right that he's probably just a rotational stand-up outside linebacker which is fine i mean he's still clearly gifted

enough to be able to do that he understands the game really well enough to be able to do that but it's the address group that we have here is pretty damn good and so for me to put him above that that is the area because it is a it is a strong person's game man the nfl is you got to be strong to play in the nfl and we'll get to that in a little bit with some of the guys that i have ranked higher here but for ellis to be more than a specialized pass rusher i need him at like 250 type 5 260 so i looked at his dad and i said his dad got over 300 pounds i believe i believe that jonah can get 255 260 and you tell me that his brother's like what was he he's at 367 i think at the combine he was 347 i love that i found

another brother i found a brother you didn't even know existed just to push you into the hope for jonah yeah that would that so that's that's my thoughts on him i agree with you he's fantastic with the hands understands the game so well plays a million miles an hour competitive toughness man he's just he he's got the iq the toughness the the the speed like he's got all that stuff i just i need i need i need some more weight from him i need strength from his profile we're uh entering what prospect am i thinking of from last year oh my god i just froze he went to the steelers come on say it again her big yes nate herbig yes yeah exactly who i'm thinking of we're entering that territory where i'm like

not nate herbig that's his brother nick nick god there's so many football families these days yes nick herbig's the one nick herbig yes right but and so like nick herbig went in the fourth round exactly i wouldn't be shocked if jonah ends up going in like the third round but everybody just loves him like all the giraffe pundits and fans are like sky rules nick herbig was a little over six foot two and 240 pounds at the combine that could be jonah ellis jonah's got away more than that he's gonna look he's gonna come in heavier he's gonna come in i think two i think he'll come in 255 let's go baby and then if he tests well 255 well that's to the moon yeah to the moon by all

the stock to the moon baby all right so uh five for me is ediza isaac okay now isaac is five for me based on his film score being really strong and i think it's just because he's really solid in all areas man yeah he is there's there's nothing that he's really i don't know if there's i mentioned how well he cornered but again like that was more from a i just really like the way that he plays the game kind of a thing because you look at his pass rush grades 74.6 over the last two years on true pass sets it's better it's almost in the 80 79.2 but the pass rush win percentage you know like it's low it's 58 percentile it's just 13.1 you know the wins above above average is going to be low too because he's not necessarily impacting the game as an individual but i think his best ball is ahead of him you know i think that not 2023 but 2022 was

the first year that he was coming off the Achilles tear injury okay so a little bit of reservations there this year I felt like he was confident man I thought I he consistently went to the club rip move and I thought that he did it very very well he also something that I loved about him is he'd hit a cross chop really well and like that's kind of like an advanced pass rush move like you got to be you got to be pretty confident to be able to hit one of those and I thought he he did that very well I also felt like he did you know like he would kind of use a variation of that and he'd do a little step over like a cross but it just goes straight into a rip move I felt like just the rip move was was something that was continuously successful for him really solid run defender and this guy was

on the field more than chop robinson was because penn state didn't want to take him off the field especially on early downs so this is a three down type of alignment kind of kind of a dude he is six foot four 250 pounds so would like for him to get a little bit better. And what's kind of interesting is he does a lot of work as a stand-up edge rusher, but I actually think his skill set's a lot better for a hand in the dirt defensive end. So there's a little bit of a projection there because Penn State has him stand up a lot. Can he be more of that full-time hand in the-the-dirt-five technique kind of a player? If he does, he's probably going to need to gain a little bit more weight for it,

which can allow him to be stronger, which is one of the, again, detractors that I had in his scouting report. But the rest of it, man, love the hands. Fast and violent hands for swipes and pass rush situations. Consistent hand placement to win inside, gain leverage. That's why he holds the point of attack well. That's why he's a really good run defender. That's why the bull rushes are very effective for him because he's dictating that contact.

He's gaining the leverage on those dudes. I think he is really strong when he's taking on those split zone blockers that are coming across the line of scrimmage. He's given no space there. He's setting the edge there for any kind of cutback, anything like that. Man, I just believe that with the corner ability, the think that i think that his best ball is ahead of him man i just think he's a really really solid football player and that's why i got him at five i liked him a lot i had him at 10 out of our pass rushers but he was 62 on my big board and i agree with you that the trajectory

is going the right way with him he tore the achilles in 2021 two years removed he looks so much better um he could do a lot of different things too which is you know obviously very helpful of him you brought up the run defense i think he's athletic enough to even you know drop at times if you needed him to in coverage just as his own dropper and keep in mind these are great things for stunts i like isaac a lot and i feel like you can kind of throw five through ten in a bag and shake it up and like you can make an argument in a different way for any of them in those spots so i totally see where you are with that one all right i think uh i think our top threes match but i am curious of the order of top threes i do think not to you know like totally give a teaser, but I do think it will surprise some people.

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responsible gambling resources all right who you got a three i see you sneaking in the tommy devito reference in there i i just want to i'm not supposed to no i just want to say the mainstream media doesn't want you to know that actually vincent trocek is the best italian american new york athlete i'm all my hockey bros out do i know who that is am i the rangers center on the rangers nah rangers are trash didn't matter i'm not paying attention oh my god anyways number three i can't believe this dallas turner for me okay all right let me start it off this way Dallas Turner answered so many of my questions I had about him from the summer he got bigger he got stronger he took over games Dallas Turner is my third edge rusher on the board but he's my number 11 player

overall I was gonna ask how close you had these guys because i have these guys pretty damn close i'll tell you right now 11 10 and 8 okay so who's two like who's two and one just verse verse and then lotto so you have lotto at one okay so i actually have lotto at three okay and the reason why i have lotto at three is just because I think there are some physical limitations with Latu when it comes to explosiveness. I agree. And when it comes to length, like those two things I do feel are going to be adequate at best, but might even be below average for him. Now, that doesn't change what kind of an impactful pass rusher that he has been. We've said multiple times in this podcast, there's been nobody in college football that has been more productive as a pass rusher than than laatu laatu from ucla over the last two years and he's still six foot

five 265 pounds so he's still got like a bigger frame where some of these guys a little bit lower okay maybe i'm worried about the length a little bit maybe i'm worried about the strength a little bit the explosiveness a little bit but this this dude's still a big, smooth athlete. He's just not getting off the ball as fast as some of these other players. He's not as dense as some of these other players when he's trying to crash into them, things like that. So I do – I have a lot to it at three. You've got a lot to it at one.

I do like him a lot, but there are some explosiveness and length limitations that he has that I don't really have a concern with with the other two guys. Right, and I get that. I completely do. And I think I'm going to be honest here. The combine is going to be really eight with a drastic, drastic, drastic combine, you know, showing in terms of differences like Turner can easily flip with lot to. I thought Turner against Auburn looked like Micah Parsons. I was like, I was like, this is the guy I've been waiting for that. I always knew he could be yeah yeah i mean look if if lotto runs if if lotto runs anything between four seven and four seven

five of the 40 yard dash i swear i will rise this man so high up the draft board. It might be a crime. No, so, but that's really like, Oh, I'm looking for, cause you know how much I love a lot too,

but getting back to Dallas Turner, I agree with you completely. That's why he's won for me. And I get it. I totally get it. I might land there at the end of this thing. So I watched, like I said, the way that I go about this process is I try land there at the end of this thing. So I watched, like I said,

the way that I go about this process is I try to watch at least four, try to watch five games of all of these players, two of which come from the previous season. Then I try to watch at least three of the current season, knowing that we'll get to one or two more games as the process goes on for final evaluations. You watch Turner last year and you see a player who is just a true sophomore. So this totally makes sense. Starting for the first time, his pass rush profile was based off of first

step explosiveness. So his athleticism and his long arm, he's got a great long arm move. And that was, that was what he, that was basically his entire pass rush plan last year. He didn't really have a lot of good counters. Didn't really know what to do with his hands when it came to like hand swipes club rips things like that just didn't have that in the arsenal so you could see the athletic potential from him but this year he packed on like 10 pounds now alabama's got him listed at 257 and you see it you physically see it. You physically see it. I actually believe it. And now the long arm isn't the only pass rush move that he has. It's just where he starts. Now it's a building block for everything else where he'll hit you with a long arm. He'll hit you with a bull rush, but then he'll hit you with a spin move. He'll hit you with a cross shop. He'll get around the shoulder. He'll give you a

nice, because he's got the bend. I think he's probably got the best bend in the class he's got the ability to hit you with a ghost rush give you a little dip and dip and rip right outside the outside shoulder like that I just the the progress you mentioned it this is the version of Dallas Turner that we've been waiting for the progress that he has made you talk about a guy whose arrow is pointing up and so encouraging for what i think he is going to become as a pro so all the athletic ability now that he's gotten more weight the strength um the length advantage that he has the flexibility the first the first step explosiveness the fact that the pass rush moves just continue to grow that's why i got him as edge one i like dallas turner a lot yeah i get it i mean with these guys so close i'll highlight

just what makes them so great i think you nailed it with turner he's a premium athlete i he i would wherever he goes i just hope that a defense is like, OK, we're going to have you stand up over guards and centers. We are going to have you disguise and really mug up at the line of scrimmage and drop back and move around in zone coverage. We're going to have you on third and longs rush from a very wide alignment and get that runway and use your speed. But like he is, there's a lot to fall in love with there. Now, verse. I just see heavyweight hands. Like these are the kinds of hands that heavyweight champ.

Right. Call him what he needs to in this class, dude. He's the heavyweight champ in this class. He is. When his hands land, there's a jilt that hits tackles and it shakes him up. And I think verse, why it's so important, how good his hands are, he gets off the ball. So when you're getting off the ball and dictating the rep and you have good hand placement and power in your hands,

there's not really much a tackle can do to counter that. Now, yes, NFL tackles will be stronger, so they'll be able to handle it better than college tackles, but he's still dictating reps and he can run through you. He can relocate you. He can win that outside shoulder. I think when the bright lights of the brightest in the second half versus some of his best moments throughout his college career, he's a guy that's already shown the work ethic to get insanely stronger and bigger. If you know his story from Albany and the pandemic to Florida state and all these things uh I actually think to be honest with you of the three Latu, Verst,

and Turner I think Verst has the highest floor of the three I really do I think he's the most stalwart run defender in terms of just purely setting the edge and I think his power profile combined with his athleticism translates as a rusher, but I can talk myself into the athleticism and upside of Turner being the best. And then lots, who's just been the most productive, right? Like with the most vast moves package.

Yeah. That's what you fall in love with lots of. Now he needs to meet athletic thresholds at the combine. He does. And if he doesn't like it's, it's really good. You're between the medical retirement and and mediocre to poor testing like that second round kind of drop right the tape is first the

tape is top 12 tape i know i i agree and that's where we are right now trevor we this is the tape process yeah like we didn't get the testing we didn't get the medical correct no rumors and like this is the tape process and lots who passes that test with flying colors oh my goodness so a lot to just some some numbers from pff data again this is cumulative over the last two years pass rush grade 94.5 insane pass rush grade on true pass sets 94.9 still insane pass rush win percentage 22.%. That's the 99th percentile of not just college players, but like recent NFL pros as well. The way that we, that,

that Steve Palazzolo actually kind of built the percentile system. It compares guys that have had a decent amount of snaps in the league already over the last couple of years. Like you are also comparing, like he's comparing those, him to those players players so it's not just like oh we're comparing them to guys that are never going to succeed in the league no no he's comparing it to guys who have already kind of shown that they're going to be around the league a little bit 99 percentile it's insane run defense grade still pretty high 78.4 wins above replacement average this year was a.51. That's nuts for an edge rusher. That is insanely high.

Half a win? He's worth half a win above average as an edge rusher? That don't happen very often. I mean, that's higher than Verse. That's higher than Dallas Turner. Dallas Verse had a, where was he? Turner had a.27. Verse had a.29.

Trice actually had that.40, which is pretty damn good. And then what was Chops? Chops is pretty high too, I think. Where's Robinson? Come on. .35. Okay, so not as high as Trice's was. But anyways, he's sick's sick i mean the production level

that he had was insane and i agree with you completely he needs to test well and like i jokingly slash not jokingly said if he taught if he if he hits thresholds i'll put him back at edge one i just watched the tape a little bit and i was like all right kind of see it here i kind of see where you go when the competition level gets better when we get against nfl level guys does he have that natural strength and athletic ability to continue to win the way that his technique would say when it comes to jared verse i agree with you completely man this is the last line of my uh scouting report for verse this is a player who brings his hard hat and his lunch pail every single yeah wins with strength on a regular basis and is built like a first round pro and i think that that's the

case uh over the last it was a little bit of a slow burn this year and i think that people maybe well i think our myself included like i had verse a little bit further down on the big board as the season went on just because he started off decently slow but he ended the year really strong um especially against Louisville, reminded us who he was and why he was a first-round prospect. He was also somebody who just loves the hard work of the game. I think that his literal body is an example of that, how he was able to gain 40 pounds in one offseason

when the COVID season was canceled and he was still at Albany. He transformed into a completely different player because of that. But I've also gotten the chance to talk with him before. He's told me he's a huge Max Crosby guy, loves watching Max Crosby films, so he's constantly trying to do that and get better. He was on the Feldman's Freak List. I mean, this is somebody who we've talked about on this podcast. If Jared Versch would have been in last year's class,

I think he goes number eight overall of the Las Vegas Raiders. The Falcons are eight. Oh, Raiders are seven? Seven, something like that. Instead of Tyree. Whatever it was, yeah. He's going at that spot to the Raiders.

The top 15 is still realistic for him, even in a better class. I still think that it's realistic for him so those are uh yeah those are our top three edge rushers um did i uh i didn't i don't want to cut you off if you had any more info or anything else you want to say on turner verse or lot to no that was perfect i think we've talked a lot about these guys and i'll say this like it's a big credit to them that they all had they all had really good years right like that's no given coming off so much expectations and i think all of them were wildly impressive this year after being wildly impressive last year

i agree this is a good address class man this is a fun address class it is there's there's some guys it might not have like the number one overall prospect like a nick bosa or miles garrett or something like that but there are it's a lot of different shapes and sizes for these players a lot of guys who've won in a lot of different ways and it's going to be a fun offseason process not just for like shrine bowl senior bowl but like you mentioned combines going to be so big when it comes to final placements of where we believe these edge rushers are going to be ranked against each other or they is going to be so big when it comes to final placements of where we believe these edge rushers are going to be ranked against each other, or they're going to be ranked against the rest of the class.

We would love to hear you guys' thoughts as well. Give us your takes on our takes. I wonder if people out there have some strong Chop Robinson takes, whether it's against Connors or against mine for being a little bit lower. Tell us what you think about a lot of these edge rushers, not just Chap Robinson, the guys that we've talked about their strengths and weaknesses, everything. What you think about the class overall, we would love to hear from you. Best way to do that, youtube.com backslash NFL Stock Exchange.

If you are audio only at Tampa Bay Trey, at Conor J. Rogers on X and Instagram, it's a great way to get on the show. I have noticed that we are starting to get a lot more into draft season because I get to see a lot of you guys respond to us and tweet at us and things like that and that is something that's really really cool so keep doing that we absolutely love it we've loved all the responses from the mock draft episode the wide receiver episode let us know what position you want to see next because we're flexible here we got a little bit of time I think we're probably only going to give you one episode next week it's probably going to be a fix your franchise for the holidays because christmas comes on a monday so normally we get a monday episode out but i know bummer we

gotta hang out with our family oh man i was using that as an excuse what are you doing but i do think we're going to give you at least a fix your franchise episode next week so let us know which fix your franchise you want to see and then which position group you want to have us update next as well connor you got anything else before we get out of here no man fun show we love this position group a lot of talent as we said if you want to see how they all fall into place for me i know trevor your big board pff.com it's right there on the draft section for For me, NBCsports.com. If you go to the college football page, it's right there. If you just search my name and Big Board,

I have a top 75 that just launched this week. So you can see how these guys all fall into place with the rest of the position groups. Also, I'm just going to shout you out here. The Mets podcast getting you in two different categories for what a sports podcast of the year award my friend you wear so many hats you cover the jets you cover the mets you cover the nfl draft and uh honestly any podcast that you're on deserves to get nominated and i don't say that selfishly because i'm one of the on one of them but you are good enough to wear whatever podcast you are on deserves to be up for or

should be up for an award and you got two for the mets podcast and uh that's awesome man i wanted to see you on the show you are too good of a friend even though you refuse to text me when we're watching these positions getting ready for the show because we don't want to ruin the content you are too good of a friend and who knows, maybe the sex addicts army and the NFL stock exchange will be up for a fancy award. Can you imagine us doing a speech holding the trophy? Well,

we're just as surprised as all of you. We would have, I would hope that it'd be like the most casual award ceremony ever, but you and I would just rent tuxedos for it. I mean, there's no other way to do it. Yeah. We ask 100% if it's near water, we'll take a boat to the ceremony. They're like just outlandish.

Even if it's not near water, we're going to drive a boat that's like on a like motorized trailer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. Yes, 100%. Just absolutely James Bonded up. But again Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yes. A hundred percent. Absolutely. James bonded up, but again,

congrats my friend. Merry Christmas to everybody out there. This is the last time that we get to it. We'll talk to you before the holidays. So Merry Christmas, happy holidays. We hope that everybody out there has a fun, safe and wonderful holidays, whatever you are doing,

whether it's spending time with family, friends, just eating good food, enjoying some football, whatever. We love you guys so much for listening to this show. We really would not be in this spot without you guys. We appreciate it. And we'll talk to you before the new year.

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