NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 238. POST COMBINE TOP 75 FOR 2024 NFL DRAFT

Episode Date: March 8, 2024

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers debut their updated Top 75s after the Scouting Combine. The duo reveal their lists for the first time, so you can see all the genuine reactions and questions.

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. In this episode, we're giving you two updated top 25. That's right. Myself and Connor, we have updated our top 75s post-NFL combine, and we're giving them to you in increments of 15. We're going through the whole list. We have not seen each other's top 75. So as you guys are learning it, so are we. So we're

going to have our genuine reaction, our genuine questions. We're going to go back and forth. It's going to be a good time. I'm Trevor Sigmund. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Joining you guys on a mid-slash-late edition of the show when it comes to where we are in the week. It can't be back-to-back mock draft shows. You know, as much as we do need to feed the family and we are supporting the Yacht Foundation, we'll leave the mock draft for Monday. We appreciate everybody who watched and listened to that.

But we do have another exciting topic here for you, which is post-combine. We're looking at our rankings and what they were before the combine and updating them now with combine results, combine measurements, what we've heard about these guys, what we've seen with these guys. So this is Top 75, new Top 75 for me new top 75 for connor and we are going to release it here on the show for you guys connor how you doing my friend i'm good man it's that time of year the big board starts to really grow and uh if you water the big board it will blossom my friend so here we are excited i'm excited to see the differences with us really in that 30 to 50 there, even 30 to 75 range.

You and I haven't talked about actually ranking players in that tier. So, of course, we will start at the top. We'll get to the blue chippers, but we've spoken so much about them that I think it'll just be really interesting to see how we view the day two players of this draft. So I'm excited to see which guys I like. I agree with you completely you know those day two guys second round third round guys i'm interested to see where you are compared to me because like everything on the show we have not shared our rankings so i'm gonna learn your rankings at the exact time that you're learning mine

but there's also a lot of intrigue at the very top, because even though I think we're going to have generally the same players in our top 30, where they are and like who we would take over who is still a debate. Like you're like a guy might be only two spots lower for you. But to say like, oh, man, you take this guy over these two players or vice versa, I think is going to make for a really good conversation as well. I think so too. I think that's where it gets really interesting is this is kind of an exercise of guys that you're putting your stamp on

or you're carrying the flag for players because the reality is no matter how much content you consume or, and you know, how much stuff you read on the top 10, you know, where the bread is really buttered is is nailing the those you know like i said you'll call it 25 to 55 of the draft because we just see so many great players come out of there and we also see a lot of fools gold come out of there as well that uh it doesn't end up unfortunately having long nfl careers so i'm excited to jump into this especially after the combine yeah so we'll get into a little bit more about uh I think

naturally as we have this discussion how much positional value goes into it for me versus you and I think it's a little bit different it's a little bit of a different flavor for everybody so that'll be part of this conversation but um man here we go let's just get into it here are the rankings um my rankings, obviously, completely subject to change, whether you guys bully me hard enough or, of course, if an agent pays me enough to raise this play. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. That's a classic PFF joke because there are people out there who actually think that agents are paying PFF for us to put them up the board. And look, all I'm saying is, if that is the case,

I'm not seeing any cheddar from it. We'd have the boat by now if that was the case. We need to talk to somebody. If BFF is selling out, I need a cut. That's all I'm saying. Not even morality. I'm not even saying we need to cut it out. I'm just saying I need my cut.

But no, of course, we're joking. This is from our eyes, if you will. Daniel Jeremiah puts it beautifully when he says, the mocks are done with the ears. It's about what you're joking. This is from our eyes, if you will. Daniel Jeremiah puts it beautifully when he says, the mocks are done with the ears. It's about what you're hearing. Rankings are done with the eyes. It's about what you see as a scout. You want to go first? You want to kick this off? We'll go 1 through 15. Yeah, we'll do this in increments of 15. That's the beauty of doing a top 75 and being able to do second grade level math,

as we figured out. It did take us a couple minutes before the show. Number one, this has not changed since my first big board in August. It's Marvin Harrison Jr. He's special. I mean, I think you guys have heard of him. Number two, Caleb Williams. I was a little torn at this spot, but it's odd. I loved Caleb over the summer and knew there was some holes in his game.

I didn't think he was perfect or Mahomes, as some people would say. But the more and more I go back and watch his tape and everything with him, he is a phenomenal quarterback prospect. Three is Joe Ault. That's been a rise. I think before the season, I had Fashani over him. Four is Malik Neighbors. I mean, Malik Neighbors and any non-Marvin Harrison Jr.,

Jamar Chase wide receiver class is the number one guy. It's a tough draw for him, but he'll be fine. He'll go top five. Five is Brock Bowers. Six is Drake May. Seven is Olu Fashanu. Eight is Dallas Turner. Nine is Roma Dunze.

Ten is Jared Verse. I think if you read that list of somebody, you know, back last summer and you fast forward, it's not shocking. I mean, these are all players that we have talked extensively about since summer scouting. So it's great that these guys lived up to the billing this year. And that could be said about the next guy in Troy Fotton, who has been a riser for sure. I think he was my top interior player from the summer. And I think this year he showed that he's a tackle and he tested quite well. 12, Brian Thomas Jr., a massive riser from this year.

13, the same could be said for Talisa Fuaga. 14, Jerzan Johnny Newton, the interior defensive lineman from Illinois. He's kind of been in this spot for two years now. Let's go, baby. And then just because he's hurt and didn't test, don't forget. We're carrying the flag. We're carrying the flag, baby. That tape is real.

And then 15, a guy that, you know, I think it really would have helped him if he was able to test, but he hasn't. He could move from this spot, but he's still my top defensive back, Cooper Dijon. Okay. All right. I know Quinion Mitchell will be very popular in that spot. I get it. I'm high on Quinion now, too. But I'll still roll with Dijon as my top defensive back. I think, obviously, we'll get into this a little bit as I do my ranking.

But you are higher on the two edge rushers just than I am overall. And I think that we probably see them a little bit similarly, but I'm curious, like, do you think the NFL is going to be pretty high on these guys? Cause it feels like we're not really talking about them, right? There's not a ton,

a ton of talk about Dallas Turner or Jared verse or laugh to lot to. Right. And so I wonder, do you feel as though it's still realistic that we could see, I think all three of these guys are going top 20, but like, let's, let's up the ante in here and let's say, could two of these guys could verse and Turner actually go in the top 12? Or do you think naturally just because of how offense a pill that feels like the league is that we're going to see them a little bit further down? I don't think both can go in the top 12 i think that's an uphill

battle for them and i think to be honest it works out if you're a team that needs pass rush out because think back to the year right a couple years ago michael parsons went what 11 and michael parsons was awesome he was a great prospect It's not like people really missed on him. It's just that that draft was an obsessive quarterback draft, an obsessive wide receiver draft. It had offensive tackle talent. Sound familiar? Quarterback, wide receiver, and tackle in the top 10.

And he fell. He fell. And I'm not saying these guys are Micah Parsons, but they're really damn good and it's just they're just victims of their draft so uh yeah it is really interesting you know it's funny you brought that up I did um New Orleans local radio this week with my buddy Jacob Hester and he was like listen the Saints of 14 he's like they don't have any shot to get Dallas Turner there right because like that's the kind of guy they need in the front seven. I'm like, listen, is it likely?

Not necessarily. Yeah, I got a shot. I mean, Atlanta at eight and the Bears at nine are the teams you circle. But after that, you're like, sure. At 14, it's just not that crazy in this draft because it's a weird draft. Pullenus, I'm actually taking notes of all of yours because I realized that as you were starting to say it, I didn't have a way to like actually record what you were saying so I pulled up the mock draft simulator and I'm just like what a move every player so that's good that's kind of what I'm doing to

make sure that I remember so we can actually have these conversations two things because I want to I didn't go into detail a position in schools for a lot of my top 15 players because if you're listening to the show you probably know the names I will make sure i do that for the rest of the big board because when we get to like 30 to 45 i guarantee 90 of the people listening might not know some of those names so i want to make sure i do that i wasn't going to do it for marvin harrison wide receiver from ohio state ever hear him uh and then the second thing is by the time you're listening to this unless you're one of the real sickos that listens to it as soon as it drops and we love you so much i have a top 100 on nbc sports right now in writing so if you want to follow along

while listening with that uh if you're a you know a podcast listener if you don't have youtube open that's that's another way to you know cross check it as well. So something I also wanted to ask you about, you've got Altas as your number three player here. Yeah. He was almost number two. Okay. So, so obviously you like him a lot. I know that naturally people were going to ask this question in the comments. So I'll just ask it to you now, you know, does he, where does he rank for you? Particularly particularly i feel like he would have been offensive one or offensive tackle one in last year's class we had paris johnson jr darnell right roger jones i feel as though he would have still been offensive tackle one for you in last

year's class but i know you like dickie ikwanu a lot evan neal and you know i don't want to get too like revisionist history with evan neal we all liked Evan Neal, you know, the NFL did the giants did like going into the draft. It hasn't worked. Highly sought of prospect, but like him, Charles cross as well. And you had icky similar ish range, like top five overall as a player.

If I remember correctly, it's where it's all match up. All to me is the best tackle I've evaluated alongside sewell those are the two there you go this draft is funny like marvin harrison jr best receiver i've ever evaluated alongside jamar chase even i i don't get carry away like he's the greatest ever or the best since julio same with all i was in love with sewell and people will be look back well you had icky as the top player yes that draft was didn't even hold a candle to 2021 right this class in 2021 really good classes I didn't feel that way about that class two years ago it was

good solid but yeah I mean Trayvon Walker was the number one pick of that draft okay yeah so who's not a bad football player he shouldn't have been and he's not a bad football player but it's just that's just that speaks volumes of that class as a whole uh this class i mean has what six guys that you could argue could be a number one pick in some classes so yeah i'm i think all is uh a really really special player yeah and then the only other one is uh the only other question that i have is that so with drake may at six i might as well just ask you the question like how much does positional importance kind of come into play for you when it comes to a big board because some people it doesn't really at all they just go how good are you of a football player and that can be the big

board for you but other people go no i think for a true big board you know you're talking about quarterbacks being valued a little bit higher so i just with drake at six is that more of a lack of positional value being built into the big board for you or is it a you like drake may obviously you like him a lot i don't want to downplay that with him being at six you just didn't see him as good as some of the wide receivers that are ahead of him. Joe, all that kinds of stuff. So the big board from summer is just talent, pretty much. I mean, and that's how I had Marv over Caleb in that scenario where that probably wasn't too popular. It's just talent. The big board leading up to the draft positional value is pretty big.

So I factored in positional value and still had him at six. Okay. His traits and some of the things he does, like the throwing over the middle of the field and the big-bodied athleticism, I love. I also recognize boomer bust nature in his game where the inconsistencies, whether it's the turnovers, whether it's the misthrows, it's a big deal.

It's a really, really big deal. So for a while, there was that gap was closing between him and caleb and then when i got through all of their games of both of them i was like no caleb's a guy in his own tier and i like drake may a lot i think drake may has special upside but i think he also is is uh he has boomer bust potential which left him at six all right you want uh yes 15 yes um are you are you doing the mock draft simulator trick i'm going to now because that's that's honestly to me i was just like i was kind of panicking while you were about to read it i was like shit how do i ask him questions on this

if i don't have the list in front of me look we we tell you like this is the most transparent our podcast can possibly be right we so much so want to be surprised by each other's rankings and we want to have genuine reaction uh that we do it to the detriment of planning our own show out so yeah here we are we're doing it live okay so two idiots running a mock simulator at all times there it might be our first t-shirt we do need to get merch going i we've said that for two years i just i i we will it will happen maybe i'll be all right i just need to i need to get in on it we just got to do it we just we do need it we need to find a company we'll work with them we need a brick and mortar what city would our brick and

mortar okay this is my way to what do mean? Who's buying commercial real estate? Not us. I went from calling a shirt company to now you're looking at commercial real estate. The PFF agent money will buy us a brick and mortar in a place where cost of living is reasonable. And all that plays through the sound system is the podcast, which people would despise. But this might be worth it keon coleman's agent i will tell people they are just mentally ill if they don't have him as wide

receiver yes he is terrell owens enough money to do it yes keon coleman comparison terrell owens yes sign seal delivered check cleared i put in the pff big board terrell owens but good and yeah yeah what does that mean what i know i love i love when people use historical all-time great comps but add an adjective like faster jerry rice whoa uh bigger arms drew breeze oh man listen i do feel attacked a little bit though because i do think that Marvin Harrison Jr. reminds me of taller Devontae Adams. But I said taller. I mean, he's a generational prospect.

I've done that. I'm definitely guilty of using. I do the adjective comps all the time. But sometimes I'll be like, you know, Case Keenum with a little more scoot. Oh, man. We need to start getting outrageous with it. Like Julio Jones, but athletic.

And people go, wait, what? Better vert. Yeah. Oh, it's great. It's great. Von Miller, but with more bed. Oh, man. What is he, Gumby?

Right. Right. That's what it would have to be all right anyways okay number one on my board and i do take positional importance into into uh into account when i'm building this big board i got kayla williams number one um i've got marvin harrison jr number two i got drake may at three malik neighbors at four joe alt is five for me so you know i ask you the joe all question but in reality he's only two spots lower for me i like him a lot as well romo dunze is six for me brock bowers is

seven our boy cooper dejean i have at number eight i'm hello still planting the flag for it i mean when we went through the cornerback episodes i brought up yeah it's funny that we talk about greats but like i talked about the Jalen Ramsey type of role. I said type of role. I said type of role where you could have him in the slot one week, outside one week, safety another week. Now, obviously, you're not doing that in his rookie season. Everybody calm down.

It's not Madden. But I think that that's the type of talent that we're talking about here. So I got DeGene at number eight. I got Byron Murphy II from Texas at number nine. I think this dude could be a special interior pass rusher yeah quinion mitchell at number 10 dude has all the lockdown traits to be a cb1 in the nfl our boy johnny newton i have a number 11 so i said yeah let's go gonna be high on him let's freaking go baby there we go top 12 uh talisa fuanga which i it was pointed out to us that excuse me there's a there's there's a there's

there's like an n in there you know like tongue of iloa there's definitely not an n in the word but it's like a it's it's a silent and invisible n that is in there i love i love that that is that is a beauty somebody sent us a clip on twitter and they were like hey you guys are are getting troy fatanu's name right but you're still saying Talisa Fonga's name incorrectly. And they sent us an NFL network clip of Fonga actually sitting at the set with, I think it's like Garofalo and, uh, um, I can't remember who else is there, but like they actually said it out loud and he was like, yeah, yeah, you nailed it. So one we're learning, we're improving, we're evolving. That's what life's all about.

Two, I just want to say, cover my bases here. If you look on Oregon State's website, they have a pronunciation guide. And it says Talisa Fuaga. So I just went off of Oregon State's pronunciation. All right, don't yell at me. Yell at the school for lying about height and weight and also about pronunciation for some of the players. So anyways, Talisa Fuanga, my boy, I have a number 12. Speaking of Troy Faltano, number 13, baby. I think this dude is just a phenomenal football player. And I had to raise him up a couple of

spots on the big board because of it. So I got him top 15. I got in number 13, Nate Wiggins at 14, Terry on Arnold at 15. And that rounds out my top 15. All right. So a couple of good things here.

Number one, being most importantly that that was easy for me because your rankings are pretty close in the mock draft simulator. So I wasn't really jumping around too much. Number two, imagine that, imagine that where do i want so i'm very proud of you you did not waver from cooper to gene as incredible of a process this has been for quinnion mitchell and i know he's been a riser for you and he's been a big riser for me you are holding firm that the gene is the the dude out of the DBS.

And it's close, right? I mean, like I got, they're different. I've got Cooper gene at eight and I've got Queen on Mitchell at 10. Ultimately, I think both of these guys are shut down corners at the NFL level.

And what continues to give Cooper to Jean, that edge is I am not worried at all whatsoever about him coming up, blowing up a screen, tackling a wide receiver. The second second the ball hits their hand, and also playing a little bit closer to the box and a little bit closer to the line of scrimmage and being able to fit the run as well. Not that these other corners can't. He's got the body type to do it.

He's got the resume to do it. And so Quinion's right after him, man. Really, the only issue that I had with Quinion on his tape was sometimes I wondered, okay, are you putting him in off coverage so much because he doesn't have as good of speed as his track background? Well, that's not true. And then, of course, the press coverage stuff, which he kind of put to bed when he was at the Senior Bowl. So to me, that's top 10 player, baby. That's a CB1 at the next level.

So yeah, still got Dijon at number eight, but Quinion right behind him. He has been a big riser for me throughout this process. So I think one thing that really stands out for me you have four corners in your top 15 i had one but he was at the 15th spot so one i think part of that is positional value on your board corner man it it matters so much in this pass happyhappy league. And then, two, I mean, you're just very high on this corner class, which I think does have a lot of talent. So, I mean, but then no Dallas Turner, no Jared Burse in your top 15 as well. So you're viewing the corner class much more favorable than the pass rush class.

Yeah, and, you know, again, much more favorable. Yeah, maybe that's right. I know they're right on the pass rush class. Yeah. And you know, I, again, much more favorable. Yeah. Maybe that's right. They're on the, I know they're right on the outside. Looking, we'll get to the edge rushers in a second, just like I'm sure we're going to get to corners for you for a second.

But you know, ultimately I, I am really high on this cornerback class. I think that we've got a lot of really great shutdown players like Nate Wiggins, despite the weight profile. And despite, you know, him being a little bit of

a liability when it comes to tackling and coming up and run defense. Again, I've said it so many times on this show, one of the best cover corners in the class, man. And at the end of the day, corner, yeah, you got to be well-rounded at a lot of things to be a successful pro, but can you match up against the best receiver that you're going up against that week? Can you be able to do that week in and week out against different shapes size dudes um i just think that nate wiggins absolutely can so that's why i am pretty big on this corner class i think we've got a lot of future cb1s and that's why they're uh they're pretty much loaded on my top 15 so um yeah 16 through 30 you want to hit it last one yeah oh yeah, no, no. I'll ask it for the next batch.

It's perfect. Let's hit it. All right. 16 through 30. Lay out to lat to at 16. The edge rusher from UCLA. 17. Michael Penix Jr.

The quarterback from Washington. Wow. 18. Jaden Daniels, the quarterback from LSU. 19. Amarius Mims. Offensive tackle from Georgia. 20. Quinion Mitchell, corner from Toledo, one of my bigger risers of the process, 21, same could be said for Jackson Powers Johnson,

interior O-line out of Oregon, 22, Nate Wiggins, corner out of Clemson, a guy you and I really like, and piggybacked at 23 by Terion Arnold's the corner out of Alabama 24 Byron Murphy really really good pass rusher a bit of an undersized guy in terms of not really just the weight but the play style he's a true gap shooter but he could really wreak havoc against the past 25 Tyler Guyton the kind of project tackle out of Oklahoma, one-year starter, but just dripping with traits. Really good senior bowl week. 26, Troy Franklin, the wide receiver out of Oregon. A guy I've actually cooled on in some ways, but I'm still buying into the speed and the production and the height.

27, Kool-Aid McKinstry, corner out of Alabama. 28, J.C. Latham, the tackle out of Alabama. 29, Zach Frazier, the center out of West Virginia center guard and then 30 Chop Robinson a very raw but explosive pass rusher out of Penn State all right well first question has to be Pennix yeah top 20 man so you so you are in on this, dude. I'm in. This is it.

We went through the mock draft format this past Monday, and you had him going 12 to the Broncos? I think so. One of those two. It was one of those two teams. So from you selecting him that high in the mock draft, obviously it makes sense that you'd be high on him overall, but sometimes the mock can be a little bit different than obviously the grades that you have here.

So with him being top 20, though, you're all in on this dude. All in. I think he's the best pocket passer in the draft. I think that, I think, and I mean, Caleb can surpass him because Caleb's the best quarterback prospect in this draft, and he does things in and out of the pocket that are just marvelous but what Penix does pre-snap post-snap doesn't take sacks challenges the field I mean over 40 big time throws his numbers out throwing outside the numbers in the intermediate range is lethal I think he's a better athlete

than people give him credit for yeah I think he's a better athlete than people give him credit for. Yeah, I think he's a first round quarterback. I really do. I, you know, if I felt like my infrastructure was built for a pocket passer to come in and just absolutely challenge every layer of the field with that howitzer of an arm, I'd be in on this guy. I really would. And, you know, in a very different way at 18, I the same way about jayden daniels where not the same arm talent although i was gonna say what do you think about jayden's arm because i i i think it's the weakest of the top guys i was gonna say i i have i have used this term before but i feel like we are romanticizing jayden daniels arm strength at this yeah yeah i think a lot of people are which is a little weird uh but my synopsis on Jaden is that he maximizes what he has in terms of his arm.

I love his release. He could throw in very, very muddy areas. I think that he sees that he's seeing the field a lot better over the years. Like this year was a big jump for him in a lot of areas. And I think that he throws with excellent touch I don't think he drives the ball how Caleb does how Penix does how McCarthy does I don't I could I wonder if he's his arms almost bone nicks might have a stronger arm it's but Jaden he is such a gifted runner and playmaker that he doesn't need this howitzer of an arm to be a starting quarterback

because he delivers with touch. He doesn't have to see guys. He doesn't have to throw guys open all the time. He could see them open because he is such a gifted athlete. So I really like the floor of Jaden Daniels. I don't see the ceiling because of the passing, especially under pressure that maybe some do like superstar like lamar jackson i don't think that's the bucket i'm putting jayden danielson but i think he'll be

he could he could be a good starting nfl quarterback and it's funny how different pennix is that i have them side by side and they're almost totally opposite players yeah yeah no it is often you know sometimes you know people will look at our rankings and it'll be like oh you know you you have three wide receivers like back to back to back like you couldn't really make a decision on these guys just like no like they're all very different so you can see them succeeding a lot of ways so we don't know what does every team run the same exact concepts in the nfl yes, obviously. Yes, it's mad. Yeah, it's obviously just Shanahan and McVay.

It's literally just 32 teams. Or if you coached under them, that's it. I mean, we're getting to that point. We actually are dangerously. The coaching tree is getting so extensive that it's just going to be a 32-team McVay. We're going to rename the AFC and the NFC, the Shanahan and the McVay, and it's just going to be, you know, like those trees that are, that are

matched up against each other. So any other notes from the, from that section of players? Yeah. Um, hold on. I'm scrolling back. The one I'm so proud of you with layout too. A lot too. I'm just, and that was sure, you know, it was a tricky one.

It just warms my heart, man. It just really does. The tape's just too good. I mean, and he passed thresholds on the testing, which was our biggest fear. Yep. Yep. So, him being at, where was he at for you, 16?

Yeah. You're actually higher on him than I am, which, again, I'm just proud of you. Who else was it? Oh, Zach Frazier getting a rep in the top 30, baby. 29. I am not too far behind, but, um, yeah, an interior offensive lineman to be in the top 30.

I mean, that just speaks to how much you like it. I do. And, and what Frazier, the pattern of him just kind of, it's very translatable. Like the four time high school state champion wrestler the amount of football he's played i mean he has put out what four years of interior offensive line tape in the same program getting better and he's a really almost finished product at this point he is tough as hell like there is a d DNA with center that is kind of just how the really good ones are. They are built.

They are wired the same way. Frazier and Jackson Powers Johnson, who I had at 21, are right in that DNA. And admittedly, there are two guys I got to speak with. So I might have a little bias of like. Yeah, but like that's, you know... I actually liked confirming that. I was going to say, like, that's not... Like, it's not like cheating, right?

No, it was like, oh, you're exactly what I was hoping for. You got to know these guys better. And I think that's often a part of the scouting process that you and I don't get to do. So, look, there are a handful of players, you know, in last year's draft. Like, I remember I got to sit down and I got to interview Khalil Shakir. And, like, I loved the dude. Like, I was like, I love how this dude processes the game.

I love his approach to everything. I was a big fan of him going through the process. And so, you getting a look into, like, who these players are, that's not in any way something that you should shy away from. Yeah, I'm a big fan of both those guys. I think they'll be long-term starting centers uh you know for the foreseeable future i will say this bracket 16 to 20 there's a lot of guys in here that are the could be in the top 15 but the 16 to 30 or you mean 16 to 30 what did i say okay 16 to 20 yeah well i'm an idiot so which i mean like could have worked you know nope it doesn't i need mean 16 to 30 what did i say okay 16 to 20 yeah well i'm an idiot so which i mean like

could have worked you know nope it doesn't i need the 16 to 30 guys that could have been for uh top 15 guys but the bus potential scares me i see chop robinson i haven't met 30 i mean he's just an athlete out there right now and kool-aid i don't know if he's fast enough for the next level to be and on an island court I think he could press and bail and yes there Kool-Aid will not be a bad but like what Kool-Aid was built up to be maybe from last summer yeah JC Latham I love the way in at the combine the penalties and some of the bad reps in pass pro at college really, really scare you. I like Latham. But the run blocking and the strength and the grip strength is tremendous.

Troy Franklin, he didn't look comfortable in the combine drills at all. No, I dropped him further than you did. Yeah, but I mean, you watch the tape when he did two years of Bo Nix. That offense, Franklin's speed is the cog to that offense. Right. So, yeah, and obviously Tyler Guyton, you know the risk with him. Nate Wiggins, we've talked about the risk with him. So, it's funny because when I do the next 15, it's a lot of guys like,

I just like the player's floor. Right. No, the next 15 is actually the one that i'm the most excited about me too let's uh let's round out my top 30 so starting at 16 you talk about how there were no edge rushers in my top 15 dallas turner is 16 jared versus 17 Olufeshanu is 18. Jackson Powers Johnson, I got at 19. Oh, wow. Leatu Latu, I have at 20.

Tempted to just throw him all the way up into the top 12 just because I love him. Just make him player number six. For now, he's better than all. I don't know what to tell you guys. Best non-quarterback in the draft. I'd take him over Marvin Harrison Jr. I have J.C. Latham at 21. I don't know what to tell you guys. Best non-quarterback in the draft. I'd take him over Marvin Harrison Jr. I have J.C. Latham at 21.

I have Jaden Daniels at 22. Amarius Mims at 23. Graham Barton, my boy, at 24. Tyler Newbin, first safety, I got here at 25. Peyton Wilson, first linebacker, I got at 26. Good football players. Brian Thomas Jr., I have at 27. So I am lower on Brian Thomas Jr. than you are.

I got J.J. McCarthy at 28. I got Tyler Guyton at 29. And the guy that I feel like I've caved for since summer scouting, we got A.D. Mitchell in the top 30, baby. I got A.D. Mitchell at number 30 here. Okay. A couple things here. One, I like that you have Mitchell in there. He's going to go in the first round.

I don't have him in the top 30, but Mitchell could go in the top 20 from what I've heard. Look, I see the same thing that other people do. I see that sometimes he's just not as dominant as he is on other reps but size speed i just don't care i get this point i just don't like i take him at the back end of the first round the chiefs at 32 the bills at 28 uh the houston texans at 23 like i i just i i would draft this dude i it's fine the the the good is too hard to pass up and if you obviously get him to where you're seeing the good even more consistently than you do now, you're talking about a wide receiver, one type of a dude. All right. So what scares you with Brian Thomas Jr?

So with Brian Thomas Jr, I still like, and funny enough, excuse me, I was just having this conversation the other day with, uh, with Sam Monson, who was like leading the charge for the, I don't like Brian Thomas Jr campaign. And I'm i'm like okay you're going i'm like you're going too far now doesn't um just doesn't like him well yeah i think he said i think he said he won't he wouldn't have brian thomas jr in his top 10 wide receivers and that's too much for me that's too that's that's too much for me now look yeah everybody's I mean these things happen like some players don't hit so you can't be like that's nuts it's true and I think he's he's he's really uh he's really holding his ground this year which I understand because he watched

Quentin Johnston last year and Sam I remember Sam telling me he's like I don't think this guy's good and I was like no like he is like there's just some inconsistencies and obviously the inconsistencies became the consistency with him but he he is very much like i told you i didn't like this guy he's not good like all that so it makes sense why he's kind of guns plays he's also played in the nfl for one year on a on a team that was an absolute dump no i i didn't like quinson quinn johnson like that but i did yeah no he's just gonna be he's, I can understand why he was, like I said, sticking to his guns. Right.

Sure. With not like a Brian Thomas Jr. But I'm lower on him. Same exact player as Quentin Johnson. I see. I see the vertical ability with Brian Thomas Jr. Obviously coming from that LSU offense, really explosive player. Again, the bill is at 28. The chiefs at 32, the Houston Texans at 23,

the same teams that I named for A.D. Mitchell would all be interested and should all be interested in Brian Thomas Jr. I wonder if he will become that well-rounded receiver who can give you everything from the route tree, who can really diversify things beyond just a vertical stem can he be an in breaking route type of a player can he give you a hard cut on an out route to the sideline like does he have that sort of lateral ability to him because he's got the athletic ability there if you tell me that he's going to become more nuanced of a total package route runner then yeah we're

talking about a special dude probably a top 20 guy given how fast he is for his size. So for me, it's just a little bit more hesitancy of there are still things that I didn't see with him when it came to route running. And I just feel as though that's the big area where it's like, okay, I like this dude. He's a first round wide receiver, but that's kind of where I'm at with Brian Thomas Jr. Totally.

And you saw him in the top 30, which is very high praise for any wide receiver in the draft. Right. So, I mean, listen, it's not crazy in the slightest. All right. Last one. And I want to ask you this in the last one, but it's ideal to wait. Olufeshanu tackle four. Yeah. Is the smallest hands we've ever seen for a tackle? Yeah. Wait, does he have like baby hands?

They're eight and a half inches. And when I pulled up. Whoa pulled up mock draftable i need to confirm this somebody said he had small hands and i was like oh damn that's crazy i didn't know he had no no they're like sub nine hands i need to i need to confirm this i can't be spouting dangerous info about a player that i really really like but i mean there are okay so for sh Oh no, he might fall to 10 to the jets. Eight and a half inch hands. I genuinely think, I genuinely think I have bigger hands than that, which is, which is wild because Olu is six foot six, three 12. Like it's just, it's very, and it might not matter at the end of the day.

Look beyond, beyond the, uh, beyond the not matter at the end of the day. Yeah, look, beyond the baby hands, I just, I do worry about the strength profile, man. Right. And I still have him in the top 20. The movement skills for him as a tackle are pretty special. Pass protection is what gets you paid in this league. But he's got to be able to put on more weight when it comes to density, not just weight to get the scale up.

Like, I need you more of a dense player. When somebody comes into your chest like they did against Ohio State, because I guarantee you, if Olufeshanu is the starting offensive tackle for any NFL team in week one, guess what tape they're going to throw on the week before they go up there? They're going to show everybody the Ohio State tape, and they're going to say, go with this guy's chest. He's not going to be able to handle you, and especially at the NFL level. So that worries me. It is a strong person's game. And if you cannot have that as a prerequisite in the trenches,

I get a little bit worried. So he's still a top 20 guy for me. But yes, there are other offensive tackles. Specifically, of course, Joe Walt. But also Talisa Fuanga and Troy Faltano, who I believe in their power profile more than I do Olu's. And I sort of believe in that more with JC Latham as well, which is why he's not too far behind.

Amarius Mims, not too far behind either. So those are two guys who, if they end up being better pros than Olu because of the strength profile, like I'd see it. But right now the pass protection ability is just too good for him for me to really put him beyond the top 20 in this class. All right, listen, I get see it. But right now, the pass protection ability is just too good for him for me to really put him beyond the top 20 in this class. Listen, I get the concerns,

and I think the league has the same concerns. Where Olu goes will be fascinating. All right, want me to rock and roll with 31? Yes. The 45, okay. This is a really good group. Starting with Graham Barton, the tackle, center, guard, wherever the hell you want to play him from.

Hell yeah, brother. Yeah, I feel really good about Barton Graham Barton the tackle center guard wherever the hell you want to play him from hell yeah brother yeah he's I feel really good about Barton at the next level same can be said for 32 Tyler Newben my top safety Adam is so we're close yeah new ones we I thought Newman could have been in last year's draft I I was wondering how close we would be on Tyler Newman Oh yeah I feel like I'm the building of him I think people got bored of him. Yeah, I agree.

So, I mean, he can play. He's damn good. He's very good. 33, a guy that I will watch his tape literally into April because I just can't get a read on is Jordan Morgan, the tackle from Arizona. I really liked him last summer. I really liked him this season coming off an injury.

I didn't think he was really good during Senior Bowl week. I wonder if he's a guard. I think he's a good player. I think he's a guard. But I think he's a guard as well. I think he's a guard. 34, I will be high man on this player, Jalen Polk, the wide receiver from Washington.

Oh, yeah, you will. Congratulations. That same would be said at 35, Junior Colson, the linebacker out of Michigan. Oh, wow, yeah. Two medals in a row. There you will. Congratulations. Same would be said at 35 junior Colson, the linebacker out of Michigan. Oh wow. Yeah. Two, two medals in a row. Maybe this one,

although I think you like him to TJ Tampa at 36. No, no, no, no, no. This, this is Tampa range. Yeah. The corner from Iowa state 37 and has been climbing. And it's not just because he's going earlier in the draft. We did the quarterback show weeks ago. So JJ McCarthy out of Michigan,

he's just a top of day two developmental prospect. So sitting there at 37. Who's going to go number three overall? Who's going to go three overall? So we'll see how that goes. Oh, I love the NFL draft. Don't you? It's great. It's really a gem.

All right. 38. Ricky Pearsall, the wide receiver from Florida. Oh, you king. 39. Oh, you king. Hell yeah, Slick Rick. 39, Jonah Ellis, the edge rusher from Utah. 40, the big man, Tavondre Sweat, defensive tackle from Texas.

41, Ladd McConkie, wide receiver out of Georgia. 42, Mikey Sanristill, the slot corner out of Michigan. He is one hell of a player. 43, Adonai Mitchell, the wide receiver out of Texas. 44, Patrick Paul, the tackle out of Houston. 45, Kamari Lassiter, the corner out of Georgia.

Oh, man. Where to start? Where to start? Where to start? Where to start? Man, Ricky over Ladd. I mean, they're same category, right? Yeah, 38 and 41. So, I mean, they're pretty much all right there. So, okay, I do want to ask you about Tavondre Sweat to start. So him at 40, he's much lower for me. And I assume that we see him similarly as a football player. I just genuinely have conditioning concerns with him i

i don't know and i i don't think that was too much of an issue when it was at texas i just get worried man 360 is a lot of weight not way into the senior bowl like i know he waited in the combine but he didn't weigh into the senior bowl for a reason and it's not because his weight was too good right he wouldn't hold himself back because that weight level was too good so you obviously got some faith that hey i see the ability on the field i see the production i mean he was damn near an elite uh run defender and pass rusher this past season so you know him running a 527 40 yard dash at 366 pounds is pretty nuts so you believe that he can be a three down type of a player no i i think he's a rotational detail he's so damn good at that role and it's the things he he can function on all three downs he just won't ever have the stamina to do that right like i see okay he can really push the

pocket as a pass rusher he can bench press guards and centers he's a two gapping run stuffing d tackle but you're you're never going to be able to be like hey you're dexter lawrence you're quinn and williams you're jeffrey simmons like those guys live on the field it's unbelievable so at for their weight uh but this is a really good exercise, right, of picking your battles and you will always win some, lose some. You had Peyton Wilson in the top 30, right? A damn good football player, a really good athlete who his body has really gone through it throughout college football at a position that you're really going to go through it at the NFL. But there is no denying how talented and how athletic he is, which justifies you having him in the top 30. With Sweat, me having him in

the top 40, there's like legitimate concerns, like you said, that conditioning will be a problem. But the tape is top 30 caliber tape. But the conditioning concerns would put him outside the top 60. So I i'm gonna take the chance that he goes to the right program that's on him and he performs like a top 50 pick all right there's risk associated with that for sure um i i would bring up mike samra still but i'm basically right there with you so i don't i don't have any sort of pushback on him i mean he's just he's i get the measurables. I get the,

the projection of him playing as a slot. But I think when we talked about the cornerback episode, I never give slot corners grades above a third round grade. It's just, I very rarely do it. I did for San Ristel. I just think he's too damn good of a football player. So I love that you got him in the top 50.

I love that you got him at 42. So, okay, let's, let's talk about Jalen Polk, right? You talked about winning the award for highest on Jalen Polk in this draft season, and I think that you will be. But it's not like this is a bad football player. I just think he's a little bit more limited. But tell us, like, what do you like about Jalen Polk? You got him over some good receivers in Ricky Pearsall and Ladd McConkie and A.D. Mitchell.

Do you just really believe in that Washington tape that he could be a complete receiver? Yes. With Polk, I mean, I think he could play inside and outside. I think his concentration is tremendous. I think he's somebody that will make a lot of the tough catches in the brutal areas of the football field. And I think he's a better athlete than he's been given credit for as well i mean you look at his testing so far what we have of him right now four five two forty okay i mean he's not a straight line blazer but that's a good time almost a 38 inch vertical 10 nine broad like that's explosive that's really really explosive and the 10 yard split 152 Polk to me understands spacing it's a little bit of the Amonra conversation right and I'm I was not high enough on Monro St. Pratt let me be well so totally clearly most people were not most people

were not including the NFL including the NFL because he got drafted in what, the fourth round. So yeah, Polk does those things that you can't quantify with athletic testing, which once again, he was fine testing or in a box score. You just watch the tape of him and you're like, damn, he does a lot of the shit that most guys are too afraid to. His energy, by the way, is infectious, infectious, incredible energy. Infectious. Incredible energy. I just think there's a value to him that is very hard to see without just grinding on the tape and talking to people in that program and another guy I got to talk to as well. But I felt this way before I even talked to him.

And I think he's just kind of built different, honestly, at the position. Love a guy who's built different. Hashtag when you, when you could start the sentence with he's built different. All right. I think, you know, I do want to ask you about junior Colson, but I think we're going to have a larger conversation about just the linebacker class in general, as we get through the top 75. So, um, I'll roll on with, with my next, uh, with my next few guys, if you're good with that. Yeah. All right. So 31 for me, Zach Frazier.

So I talked about Zach Frazier obviously being high for you. He was 20. He was like 20. What was he, 29 for you or something? Yeah. Oh, you got a top 30. I have him 31. So I had the funniest thing at 76 that we'll conclude the pod with.

Well, I made – remember, I made a change right before the show. That's how we get to conclude the pod with well i made remember i made a change right that's how we get to conclude the pod so okay all right all right so we got i got zach fraser at 31 uh i got lab mcconkey at 32 i have bo nicks at 33 i'm bo nicks believer i get it this is the flag that i carry including mckintry at 34 get t Tampa at 35. So I said we were in similar ranges with TJ Tampa. Yeah. Wait, is he 35 for you as well? 36, I think, for me. All right, there we go.

I have Mike Samersill at 36. I have Chris Braswell at 37. Kamari Lassiter at 38. Another edge rusher in Adiza Isaac at 39. Braden Fisk, the interior defensive lineman from Florida State. The combine monster. I got him at 40. Troy Franklin comes in at 39. Braden Fisk, the interior defensive lineman from Florida State. The combine monster. I got him at 40. Troy Franklin comes in at 41.

Now for me, Jordan Morgan is 42. Ennis Raikstra Jr., who I just can't quit, at 43. Chop Robinson is 44 for me. And then Darius Robinson from Missouri is 45. Okay, I want to catch up on this. All right. So I want to start with honestly, Braswell, a lot of players in here. Yeah. I mean, this not a big surprise. Braswell, my only, my gripe with Braswell is he's, to me, a power rusher, but he doesn't play with that power against the run, and his pass rush package isn't that diverse, and he's going

to be in my top 75, so it's not that he won't. He's actually coming up very shortly, he he's a tricky guy to figure out for me i'm torn on braswell because the raw tape grade says that he should probably be lower than this but there are flashes and reps from him where i watch this dude explode off the ball as a former five-star athlete in an Alabama program that Nick Saban even said himself, like, look, it took Braswell a little bit to get on the field. One, because Will Anderson was in front of him and Dallas Turner was on the other side. Two, we were teaching this guy to go from a 4-3 defensive end, lose a little bit of weight, drop back into coverage. And until he really learned coverage assignments, we didn't get him on the field a ton so I think that's why we have some lack of reps lack of production we saw it a little bit more from him this year and I believe his pressure numbers were pretty similar to that of

Dallas Turner this year now I don't think he had the overall production but the pressure numbers were there he had better pressure numbers than Dallas Turner for a little bit this year. So he is one of those players who I'm trusting the disruption is production phrase that I believe heard from Josh Norris for the first time many, many years ago that I absolutely love. And 37 for a disruption type of a player to me is rich, but I believe that there's a path to where this guy can be a really, really impactful pass rusher. Maybe not an edge one for a team, but a guy who, if you've got Chris Braswell as edge two, you're probably doing pretty well.

So that's where I think that that explosiveness, that speed to power, natural ability, it just doesn't come along very often. So though not a polished player, a powerful one that I'm betting on that athletic ability there with him. All right, so another one from this group. Adiza Isaacs combine broke my heart. Broke my heart. I mean, this is a dude that I think he plays fast. Yeah.

I think the whole point of him is that he has really good lane too. So I don't want to just call him a speed rusher, but he's a speed rusher. And his testing was just left a lot to be desired where I have to go back again and see, did he just have a bad combine? Or was I overvaluing the athlete he is on the field? Yeah. So the reason why I'm still pretty high on him is because I actually don't think that his grade for me is predicated that much on athleticism. Like, I think he is a good athlete. He's a smart player.

He's a smart player. I think he's a strong player. So I think that he wins in ways that aren't purely athletic. Now, I also think he's more athletic than his combine testing show. Like, I think that was just a bad day for him. I really do so I am still much higher on Adiza Isaac because I didn't think oh wow he's not an athlete that means a lot of the good that I saw on his tape um is no longer there I I just I don't feel that way I just think he is

a really smart edge prospect uh he wins in a lot of ways that aren't totally on athleticism I think he wins the technique I think he's a really nice run defender as well. So he's another player who I think just has a really high floor, maybe not the highest of ceilings. Like I had this teammate, chop Robinson a little bit lower. And I think a lot of people will say like, I I'm probably the lowest on chop Robinson at this point.

And I don't mean to, I'm not like trying to be the champion for that. Um, because I do still think that he could be a really great football player. I just feel as though people aren't being as honest with the boom or bust state that Chop Robinson is in. He wins right now because he is way more athletic than any offensive tackle that he's going to go up against.

And that is how he won and how he got his pressure production and his high pass rush grades. But the reason why the sack total is lower than you want it to be is because I don't think that he wins with technique. I don't think he wins with the pass rush plan. So how few guys win off of just athleticism at the NFL level? People can say like, oh, Micah Parsons wins plenty. Well, sure, Micah was an athlete coming into the NFL, but it's very clear that Micah Parsons has been in the film lab. Like Parsons now understands how to win as a pass rusher.

So to me, I look at the shorter frame, the shorter arms. I just, I don't know, man. I am hesitant on him where him and Isaac are kind of both right there. They're very different types of edge players, but that's kind of my thoughts on both those Penn State guys. All right, let's move to 46 to 60. Or was there something we missed?

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issued by western southern life insurance company not available in certain states prices subject to underwriting and health questions now we can go 46 through 60 all right here we go 46 keon coleman wide receiver from florida state 47 xavier worthy 40-yard dash record holder at the NFL Combine, the wide receiver from Texas. 48, Bo Nix, quarterback from Oregon. Oh, Bo Nix top 50, baby. Let's go. He snuck in there.

Let's go. I knew you had it in you, buddy. I knew you had it in you. I believed in you all along. I was bullied. I can't be held responsible for my action 49 davantes walker wide receiver north carolina 50 jatavion sanders tight end out of texas 51 chris braswell edge from alabama 52 chris jenkins d tackle from michigan 53 ennis rake straw quarter cornerback from missouri

54 christian haynes big mean offensive lineman from UConn. 55, Kingsley Suamatea, tackle from BYU. 56, Darius Robinson, kind of a versatile defensive lineman edge from Missouri. 57, Trevor's favorite player in the draft, Cooper Beebe, the guard from Kansas State. 58, Braden Fisk, and a guy that goes up on the board every day, it feels like, interior defensive line, Florida State. 59, Peyton Wilson, linebacker, NC State. 60, first running back on the board,

Trey Benson out of Florida State. Ooh! Benson, RB1! Wow. Where do you want to start with this shit show? Going back to summer with that one. I really went full circle on the trey benson experience yeah i still haven't gone full circle i'm like half circle no no three four

circle half circle would be the exact opposite and i'm not there anymore um okay so let's start out with this xavier worthy top 50 player yeah what do you think like is it because obviously like he's going in the first round we think he's going in the first round but yeah I'm just like top 50 top 50 in first round aren't too different so you kind of saw him as a priority second round dude anyways with that speed is that how you see him what do you think overall about Xavier Worthy you know it's crazy when you say that though he's still my wide receiver 11 in this class 11 so yeah he's in the top 50 but there's a lot of guys I like better than him he's he's got incredible speed it translates to the field I think the play strength is a significant issue right now you have to keep hands off of him

he's a lighter guy but he could track the deep ball he's got the double move with the shoulder fakes it's just he plays so fast Trevor there's focus drops I always worry about that weight when you can get bumped around in the NFL level. But he's one of those guys where, you know, if he goes to the right team, whether that's a Buffalo, whether that's a Kansas City, a team that can drive the ball down the field, I don't think he's this level of player. But can you see the utilization like Deshaun Jackson? Yeah, there's a world where you can.

I mean, where Xavier Worthy is not going to be asked to do traditional number one wide receiver things, but the speed with the ball over the top matters, and the speed without the ball, having to dedicate players to him because of his speed, opening up lighter boxes, it's a real presence thing for me. But yeah.

I was going to say, I think that I would speak similarly on Devontae's Walker, who's not too far behind. And bigger. Right, behind where he is. And so, man, Walker is so funny. We'll get to him, obviously, in my top 75. But I'm so much lower on walker than i was initially because i just fell in love with the kansas or the kent state tape and then i went to

the senior bowl and he just was not that same type of receiver and i try not to be too hard on it but then all of a sudden your performance at the senior bowl then makes your performance at unc it's like okay so is Kent State stuff the outlier because you just didn't play nearly as confident I still like Tez Walker but the drops were a major issue for me at the senior bowl I see the speed potential to him and I see the potential for him to be a fantastic receiver overall I had him in the mix for wide receiver four at one point but just everything that I've kind of seen over the last month um it just is kind of i'm lower on those two guys i'm lower on those two speed guys where i see the weapon i see

the utilization of what they can be but i'm just overall a little bit a little bit um more worried i love you got christian haynes that high man i thought i was going to be high on christian haynes where's haynes for me haynes can't be that far down. He's 64 for me. So you're even higher on him than I am. And I love them. Right. So I'm a big fan.

I love that you got him up there. That's good stuff. Let's just talk about Cooper Beebe. I mean, you're at least 50 spots higher. Whoa, hello. I mean, we're not surprised 50 spots higher. Whoa, hello. I mean, we're not surprised. No one's surprised. Right.

Like anybody who's listening to this podcast, I sound like a giant Cooper Beebe hater, but like I think he's a super smart offensive lineman. I just don't think he's a great athlete. He actually, he was a better athlete than I thought at the combine, but I don't know, man. So you very clearly are buying into that experience and that versatility with him as a top 60 player, yeah? I am.

I think number one, I really liked the tape. He is definitely a dude with a lot of girth. I think that no, no one questions the good, not even I can question the girth. The girth is very real. It's truly just like a big tree stump,

but he's somebody that play the play strength speaking of play strength it's really good like it's hard to rush through cooper bb it's i think he plays really smart i like his field awareness he's someone to me that if you're sitting there and you're like hey we're running wide zone as our primary run concept you're not valuing him the way i value him sure but if you're like, hey, we're running wide zone as our primary run concept. You're not valuing him the way I value him. Sure. But if you're trying to be a downhill, punch you in the mouth, tougher football team, he's that guy. Him and Haynes are really that kind of guy.

And yeah, I'm in. I'm really buying in. All right. Okay. And then right before we get to mine, well, I guess we're about to kind of have the running back discussion a little bit with my next rankings. Okay. 60, are we? Yeah, 46 to 60.

Yes, we will. We will have the running back discussion. So I'll list off my 46 through 60 if you're ready. You ready? All right. Kingsley Suomatia, the offensive tackle from BYU, is 46. I got your boy, Michael Penix Jr., at 47. Suck him in the top 50.

Which is absolutely hilarious because you and I have been like opposites on Knicks and Penix, and both of us have the lower guy basically at the exact same spot. Right, like we were afraid. We were afraid for the future of the podcast. That's really good. If they didn't creep into the top 50, no. That's really good. So that's where I've got Pennix.

48, Roman Wilson. Hello. The wide receiver from Michigan. 49, you ready for this one? Sure. Javon from Michigan, 49. You ready for this one? Sure. Javon Bullard, 50. We got Slick Rick, Ricky Pearsall. There he is.

Cracking the top 50. My boy, Gator Great. Jutavian Sanders at 51. We're basically the same with him. Jermaine Burton, I have at 52. Somebody who I've been, feels like carrying the flag for for a long time. I just think he's got such good tape.

He's, to me, so underrated in this class. Jonah Ellis, I have at 53. Rook Arororo from Clemson, I have at 54, especially after telling me that he could go 98 out of 100 in a three-point contest. I had to- The big one. Had no choice. Keon Coleman, I have at 55.

RB1, unequivocally, undeniably, Jonathan Brooks at 56. I got Kieran Amagaji, the offensive tackle, maybe offensive guard from Yale at 57. Got Marshawn Nealon, the edge rusher at 58. Here's where I have Jalen Polk coming off the board, so I still got him in the top 60 at number 59. Jaden Hicks, the safety from Washington State, I have at number 60 to round things out.

Okay, so no Chris Jenkins yet? Chris Jenkins is literally 61. Okay, then I won't press it because I don't think there's that much of a difference. Kieran Amagaji is somebody that i'm still in the middle of his evaluation i guess i just have the fear of a guy at that level i thought it's like when you right think of uh cody mock is a good one but when you're watching cody mock it was demolition on tape demolition and tape. Demolition.

And then when you go back to Penning, I thought Penning had his moments of demolition, but Penning also got beat up on on the level of football he was playing at the time. With Amagaji, he's kind of steady Eddie from what I'm through, and maybe I need to go further and continue watching more and more.

I just don't see the dominance at that level that i had expected i think he's good man you did see the dominance i did and like that's obviously why i got him in my top 60 is i will keep going because i because i agree with you 100 like if you've got guys who are going up against lower level competition dominate you better dominate it or you're not going to at the NFL level and so when I saw him I was very quickly maybe it was just kind of the tape that I was watching maybe it was a game that I saw early on it was like all right well you're just gonna absolutely bulldoze a lot of these people that you had around him but I thought he was a fluid mover for his size I like what he was

able to do a tackle I like his um flexibility to be able to be able to play guard as well like you mentioned with uh with Cody Mock, is some guy who played tackle at North Dakota State, kicks inside for his home there. I mean, same with Ali Marpet as well, guy who played at Hobart, played left tackle there, played interior offensive line for the Buccaneers. So I feel as though Kieran Omigaji has that same type of potential as guys like that who could really find a home on the interior and be a really really good football player all right one more in this group i think we both see him

the same you have kingsley suamati at 46 i believe yes i am at 55 he is the ultimate developmental offensive tackle in this class if he has to start next year i think whoever does that is in trouble right but man and we've talked about this guy a lot from summer scouting his recruiting his transfer it's all there and you turn on the film and you're just like i just want more going back to dominating but also with him i think awareness sometimes yeah for sure he's someone i think will take him in the second round and i get it I really do but he is someone that definitely needs a lot of refinement in every aspect of his game I don't think he gets

out of the second round yeah he's just too gifted right right I completely agree with you former five-star dude and you just see the movement skills very very quickly within his tape now I've described this uh I've described him this way for a little bit now he's more of a pusher than he is a blocker like i said the same thing about tyler guyton right he's somebody who in pass protection he's just trying to shove you as hard and as far as he can where i mean what i really want to see from you sometimes is get the hands inside latch on and don't let go like give me a little bit of graham barton you know like let's see the grip strength don't let go. Like, give me a little bit of Graham Barton, you know, like, let's see the grip strength. Don't let these guys get off the block as easily as they do, because as long as you leave edge rushers free, they can always counter you. They can always break

your, your, uh, your wrists and, and they can always break where your hands are. And so they can get by you if that's the case. So I want to see more attentiveness to maintaining blocks from him. But I watched him recently for the draft guide and, and I thought I was going to like him less. And I came away just thinking, yeah, this guy's going to be a second round pick. I mean, he, he moves way too well for an offensive tackle to not be some sort of an early to mid date to day two selection. So yeah,

I'm surprised I didn't get a question from you about uh um like javon bullard being a 49 no because we're okay so yeah you are higher on him bullard do you have him top 75 yeah he's 75 oh okay all right all right yeah okay so i'll tell you what my concerns are with board why i didn't have him as high as you, but why I like him. I don't think he's as fluid as you want at the position, but man, he's really smart. He almost makes up for the lack of twitch and fluidity with just knowing.

Anticipation, baby. He anticipates. He anticipates. anticipates he really he really does and what was his time wasn't his uh wasn't his time like pretty damn good i think he tested okay i was just talking about tape you ran a four four seven oh no i'm not worried about straight line speed i'm talking about that like fluidity like the lateral agility i see which ironically he did not do a three cone or no you know whatever i mean yeah nobody nobody does it's a lost art you're right you're right to be fair to mccarthy except for mccarthy nobody does did

you see mccarthy ran the three cone i did not so how about this mccarthy not only ran the three cone out of nowhere because he did nothing else. He just did the three cone. Right. He came in at 219. I didn't expect him to do anything. He ran the fifth fastest three cone of any player at the combine.

What is up with Michigan and the three cone? He ran like a 6.82. Wow. Stupid. And that's why he's going three overall. You know, that's why he's going three overall. That is crazy. All right. Give he's going three overall. You know, that's why he's going three overall. That is crazy. All right.

Give me your 61 through 75. Let's round it out here, brother. All right. Let's close it out. Braylon Trice at 61. Oh, wait, hold on. Hold on. I didn't I didn't have it pulled up.

All right. All right. Now we're good. We're good. We're good. Pass rusher from Washington. 62. You had this guy in your last batch.

Roman Wilson, the wide receiver from Michigan. Yep. 63. Adiza Isaac edge from Penn Washington. 62. You had this guy in your last batch. Roman Wilson, the wide receiver from Michigan. Yep. 63. Adiza Isaac, edge from Penn State. 64. Xavier Leggett, the wide receiver from South Carolina. 65. Braylon Allen, the running back out of Wisconsin.

Oh, whoa. Okay. 66. Edgerin Cooper, linebacker, Texas A&M. 67. Dominic Poonie, technically going to be a guard from Kansas. Marshawn Moonlight tackle. Yeah.

You feel like a tackle. Yeah. Marshawn Nealon 68. Past Russia from Western Michigan. A sturdy edge. 69. Jonathan Brooks coming off the torn ACL, but really,

really good tape running back out of Texas. 70. Malachi Corley, wide receiver, Western Kentucky 71. Brandon doorless. Kind of a chess piece D-line from Oregon. 72, how about Max Melton? Oh, my boy. The corner at a Rutgers.

Let's go. He put on a show at the combine. Let's go, baby. I'm so proud of you. I was really glad to have a Rutgers guy. I'm so proud of you. In that 40 and a half. I mean, I'm a coward, but I'm proud of you. I was really glad to have a Rutgers guy. I'm so proud of you. In that 40 and a half. I mean, I'm a coward, but I'm proud of you.

Thank you for doing what you needed to do here on this podcast. Melton had a big combine, but I think Melton's tape is really good, too. And I think his versatility is really good. Hey, he was my CB5 going into the year. Summer Scouting listeners, they remember. There we go. They remember. 73, Ruka Rororo.

Okay. D-line from Clemson. 74, a guy of the men, Zach Zinner, the offensive lineman from Michigan. All right. 75, your boy, Javon Bullard, safety out of Georgia. And while we were laughing, actually, I will not give it away. I'll let you read yours, and then we'll get into that. Yeah, we'll –

What do you think? We'll talk running backs. Actually, I kind of want to talk running backs now. Okay. I feel like that's the talk of what we got here. Okay, so can I read mine? I'll read mine. And then I think we should have the running back conversation after that

because I got a couple of running backs in here. You ready for it? Let's rock and roll. All right, so I got Chris Jenkins Jr. at 61. This felt low for Chris Jenkins Jr., but I just like a lot of football players in this class. Yeah, he didn't rush the passer again, so that's... Yeah, yeah.

So I got him at 61. Still a good football player. Adrian Cooper I have at 62. I have Xavier Leguette at 63. Christian Haynes, the interior offensive lineman from UConn, I got him at 64. How about this? Jalen McMillan.

Okay. I got McMillan at 65. Slept on football player, man. I just think that when healthy, they still got this guy involved heavily, despite having Romo Dunze and Jalen Polk on the team. And I think that that speaks volumes to how good Jalen McMillan is. So I got him at 65. Junior Colson, your boy, I got him at 66.

I got Kyrie Jackson in So I got him at 65. Junior Colson, your boy, I got him at 66. I got Kyrie Jackson, the corner from Oregon, at 67. Xavier Worthy at 68. Braylon Trice is 69. Spencer Rattler, QB1 himself, at 70. Jalen Wright, the running back from Tennessee, I have at 71. Tez Walker, I got at 72. Brandon Dorlis, I got 73. Tavondre Sweat at 74 and the reason why we were laughing because I found a spot for him baby

Blake Corham at 75 gotta have it gotta have it we're look I've met 76 and that was the joke the inside joke is that Connor right before we were going through the podcast I was looking over my big board for the for the last or for the final time before we started to record. And I said to him, I was like, I want to get Blake Corham in the top 75. Connor immediately was like, yeah, me too. I was like, where do you have him? He's like 76. And I was like, I also have him 76.

For real. And I ended up moving somebody down. I had Michael Pratt in my top 75, but I actually moved Michael Pratt out of the top 75 because I think he's just a little bit outside of it. So we got Blake Corham in there. So, okay, the reason why I wanted to rattle off my guys is because your running back group, we see it kind of value the same,

but I have Jonathan Brooks as RB1, Jalen Wright as RB2, and Blake Cor Brooks as RB1, Jalen Wright as RB2, and Blake Corum as RB3, sort of towards the tail end of this top 75, from 52 to 75. You had Trey Benson, Braylon Allen. Wasn't there another one? Jonathan Brooks. Jonathan Brooks, and then Blake Corum would be next, and then Blake Corum would be next right

Blake Corum would be next um followed by Jalen Wright at 78 right after him okay and then Tyrone Tracy at 81 whoa I like Tracy though so I like the call out that's good so all right let's let's talk to me about Benson talk to me about Braylon Allen. Everybody seems to love to talk about running backs. So with those guys as one and two for you, what do you think about them? Benson is a guy that you love the contact balance to go with the speed. True athlete. True athlete.

He's got pro size. He's really well built. Really well built. I mean, clearly puts in the time in the weight room he's got good feet defenders bounce off the sky he can run angry at the second level you can run elusive at the second level i and i i told him this i was like dude my favorite thing about you has nothing to do with how fast you are how well built you are, all those, you know, you know, great things. He's the king of, I got nothing here. I'm going to find three yards. I just, I'm going to find three yards when I'm

hit at the line of scrimmage. And I think that is a trait, a translatable skill that is very, very underappreciated. I think that he's got a lot more in the past game than what he's been able to show. And his awareness of needing to continue to get reps in pass pro is really, really high. So I like Benson a lot. I feel really good about his floor. Braylon Allen is the total opposite. This is a total projection. This is a dude that enrolled early at Wisconsin.

He was getting carries as a 17-year-old. I think he's's gonna play his entire rookie season as a 20 year old yes yeah dude he turned 20 at the end of january he's really young so 240 pounds he's really does not have much in the past game right now and that stinks i think he can get a lot better He's clearly got the body for pass pro because he's the size. He's bigger than most linebackers now. But man, that downhill bruising running when you get the train rolling down the tracks of Braylon Allen. I mean, these are the big, scary running backs of football. Dudes are not going to tackle this guy. He's going to run through your face.

He's not Derrick Henry. Nobody is. Right, not quite. But man, he's scary. Like he's really, really scary at that size, what he could do to you. And he doesn't look like a Goliath. He plays like it.

So that's a projection pick for me. He's got a bit of a ways to go, but I like the upside. And then, you know, I'll kind of let you get into Brooks who I'd right after them, but I know you really like him. Yeah. Brooks very clearly to me is RB one in this class. And I don't mean that as any shade to Benson or, or Alan or any of the guys that you ranked

high. Cause I think a lot of people in this industry are going to have a big clump of this running back class. They just don't know exactly how to sort it. I didn't really have an issue sorting it out with Brooks is my RB1 to me he has a combination of everything and and without the without the ACL tear I think he would be consensus RB1 now there's something to throw in there with him coming off the ACL tear but we've seen guys even at the running back position come back strong from that so I feel like that is well within reason, especially if he goes to a team.

Now he's not getting drafted in the top 50, we don't think. So he goes to a team and he's able to kind of ease into this work in his rookie year. I keep liking the landing spot of the Packers for him to play behind Aaron Jones, a situation like that. But the vision's nice. The footwork is. The one-cut ability.

The contact balance. The forced missed tackles per attempt. The yards after is the one cut ability, the contact balance, the force, missed tackles per attempt, the yards after contact, like all that stuff is there. I think he's got the size to be able to hold up in pass protection. He's got some nice receiving ability as well. And he only has one year as a starter.

So he's a young player, but he doesn't have a lot of tread on the tires. I think Jonathan Brooks really a fully healthy version of him has everything that you want from the running back position. And then my RB to Jalen, right? Legit home run ability, insane broad jumps. So you saw that athletic explosiveness right there from him at the combine, really nice 40-yard dash as well. He's one of the few true home run hitters that we have in this draft. And the reason why I like him

more than like, say, a Trey Benson is because I like his vision a little bit better, even though I think both of those guys are trying to learn what it's like, not just out-athleting everybody, but what I really like about Wright, best pass protection tape in the class of any of these backs. He's got the size. He's got the power to do it. Love his potential as a third down back, as a receiver, and a pass protector out of the backfield. I can see a place where he gets work early on because of that and then molds into potentially a starting role for a team. And then Blake Corum, I mean, we're both pretty much exactly the same on Blake Corum. Such great vision, such great decision

making. The only thing for him really for me is just he doesn't have those long strides. So he's not going to be like a big home run hitter for you but i've said this before home run hitting ability as a running back i think it's highly overrated i really do um i think that people think about oh you know you got to give me the guy that could take a uh a one carry 60 yards to the house sure how often does it happen at the nfl level never like it happens in college all the time it never happens at the nfl level I'd rather have a player who can give me the four yards, the five yards, maybe six yards per carry average, somewhere between that. That's really, really helping out my offense consistently. Blake Corum can absolutely do that. And so to me, Blake Corum should not be in a world where there are a lot of running backs, a lot of really talented running backs that come through the

draft every single year. I still don't think Corum should be anything less than the third round pick. I really don't. He's that efficient as a runner. Yeah. It's just a matter of, you know, if you worry about or how you view the tread on the tires with him. So that'll be, that'll be a big one as well. But yeah, I mean, Corum, you know exactly what you're getting with that kind of player. And that is a starting NFL running back that might not have the big play explosive ability as some of these guys that are Ferraris. But he can absolutely play all three downs. He can grind out the hard yards.

He's got excellent, excellent vision. An NFL staff is going to get serious value with him in rounds three to four. Yep, I agree. There we go. Those are the top 75s for both myself and Connor. Let us know what you thought of the rankings in our discussions here. Best way to do this is, of course, in the YouTube comments, which, by the way, the mock draft episode,

I know we talked about reaching 100K, all that stuff, whether we do or whether we don't. The love that you guys showed and the conversations that you were able to start in the mock draft. I mean, we've got over 900 comments on that bad boy. Yeah, like I normally try to read every single comment for these videos whenever I have the time to do it. I don't have the time to respond to all of them, but I try to at least read most of them. 900 is going to take me a while and I love you guys for it.

So thank you so much for engaging on that episode as much as you have. It really means a lot to us. Hopefully you guys are enjoying the conversations that you start as well. But for this episode, youtube.com backslash at NFL stock exchange, hit us up in the comments there as well. Let us know who you think we're way too high on. We're way too low on. We'd love to hear that. If you got questions that maybe we didn't hit on when it came to our top 75s, fire those away and we'll try to answer as many as we possibly can but uh connor you got anything else before we get out of here great exercise it's really fun to see you know how we

kind of stack these middle round players that are so pivotal to this draft class and a really really good draft and you know like i said if you if you want to see a top 100 it's probably on mbcsports.com as you're listening to this or will be very shortly trevor i know your board's gonna get way way bigger especially for the mock draft machine yes so this or will be very shortly. Trevor, I know your board's going to get way, way bigger, especially for the mock draft machine. Yes. So this will not be the last time we talk big boards and rankings, but definitely the right time as we kind of get ready for pro day season.

Oh, I'm excited about that too. We're going to have a fun schedule for you guys between now and when the draft begins. We know y'all love the guest mock draft format that we had last year. We're going to start playing that bad boy out. If there's somebody that we linked up with last year that you want to see again, or somebody that we weren't able to link up with last year that you would love to see us do that exercise with where the two of us go through a mock draft with a guest. We love doing that. That was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun to do here on this channel and to

hear from you guys as we got those guests in. So if there's somebody that you want to see on the show in that type of a format, let us know. Again, you can comment that and we'll be able to check it out. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers. Thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. We will see you guys next week. Thank you.