NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 250. Collab Mock Draft: NFLSE vs. That Franchise Guy (Marcus Whitman)

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers are joined by That Franchise Guy aka Marcus Whitman. The three take turns running through a new "what we would do" mock draft, giving you picks and analysis for all 32 first round selections, and bonus picks for the Panthers and Browns

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. In this episode, it's another edition of the CoLab Mock Draft series, this time with our good friend, that franchise guy himself, Marcus Whitman. I'm super excited about this one. It is another triple threat mock draft.

It's gonna be a lot of fun and just gonna be loving guys so much. Carolina Panthers fans, Cleveland Browns fans, we're giving you mock draft picks too. Brand new first round mock draft. I'm Trevor Sycamore with me as always is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. And once again, for the guest mock draft series, we have a third face here with us on the show. It's the one and only Marcus Whitman, that franchise guy himself,

Mr. 100K on YouTube, which by the way, salute to you, Marcus. I know that happened not too long ago, man. Incredible accomplishment, but dude, we are so excited to have you here on the show for the Mock Draft series. How are you doing, Marcus? I'm great. Super happy to be here. You know, you guys have really built this into one of the go-toto must listen to draft shows out there i i do gotta say i remember like two years ago i was out in ireland driving driving through the hills driving right side of the car and all that with my wife for our for our honeymoon and i put on one of your very the wife flex i put on one of your very first episodes it was one of your uh the summer

scouting for the wide receivers i think now this was the episode that trevor revealed that he's an absolute savage and eats sunflower seeds just full funnel yeah his organs are hanging on for dear life yes yes um but it was a good episode to uh introduce you guys to my wife because um anna also does that so trevor you are at least as civilized as the woman that i married wow let's go baby there's that let's go it's been it's been cool to see see you guys stick with it and where the show is at now so i'm a capitalist baby none of that seed is going to waste i mean if i bought the bag you better believe i'm gonna eat the whole i might even eat the bag so when they do the nutritional facts do

they include the shell or does that add some calories to the okay legitimate question I feel like they have to really can't digest the shell so no you don't your body does not break down the shells let's make this very clear you have a dog weird it's the same exact thing it's like gum where they tell you like it'll never get digested it'll just stay in your stomach no it definitely leaves but it's yeah so uh anyway marcus two things to welcome you on one thank you for doing this the comment section especially has been requesting you quite often which you should feel great about because we love our community. Two, another guest that will be better than Bengal. So this is going to be

a great show. It's really great to have you on and you definitely will not be the worst guest mock drafter at all. Yeah, I'm glad you could set the bar pretty low for me there. So I'll at least do better than that. Obviously, like Connor said, a lot of you guys in the comments have been low for me there so i'll right i'll at least do better than that yeah okay obviously uh like

connor said a lot of you guys in the comments have been asking us to link up with marcus this is something that we wanted to try to get on the calendar and here we is it's and here it is it's absolutely happening so what we're gonna do same format as bengals mock draft it'll be a three-way mock that we have here so we'll go, three, whatever the order ends up being. And then we will just repeat after that. We'll go through an entire first round. And then you know what? I woke up this morning.

You know, we're about nine days to the NFL draft. And I said, you know what? I'm going to show the Carolina Panthers fans some love today. So we're actually going to do a first round and we're going to give a shout out to the Carolina Panthers. And if you're lucky, if you behave, Brown fans we might throw you throw you a bone as well we might give you a pick in the middle of the second round so uh connor i will ask you because i haven't before i'm curious what you're going to say do you have any idea what you want the order to be

of this mock draft i don't like i feel like i feel like I always make it. So I want to like, even if you just randomly throw it out there, I want to give you the power here. I don't want to pick for the Jets. I want Marcus to pick for the Jets. Okay. Because he's the guest. So since I am the diehard Aaron Rodgers fan.

Right. And that's fair. You were one of the rare Packer fans. Remember when Rodgers was going to the Jets, you were like, I'm going to root for Rodgers and this stage of his career. So I definitely want Marcus to pick for the Jets. I don't really request anything else, Trevor, because besides that, we've done every scenario

by this point to keep the lights on. What pick in the one, two, three order picks for the Packers? You'd figure that we would have this. That's very important. We would have this, you have this figured out by now, but I'm not too into it. It's running a mock draft. I'm so sure.

I think you have to pick number one overall, Marcus. I think. All right. I think, right? Making it hard on me. Because then that would be... The Jets pick. And then no matter how it falls,

we'll phone you in for the Packers. This is so beautiful. Watching the hamster wheel turn so hard for all of us to do the math, to figure out in a divisible of three mock draft, who picks for the Packers. I don't know what I would have done for a living if I didn't talk about fake drafts for 11 months of the year. I think about that quite often.

I really don't know. Certainly not an accountant. No, no, no. and i have a business degree can you believe that don't ask me how i got through that um that's i took the fdny test i guess that would have been like maybe something else i don't know what else look if the if the sports industry just absolutely goes in the tubes um i'm just gonna do like one of those nature shows on tiktok you know where i like film myself and it's like day 28 in the wild and i'm just like eating pine cones or whatever and you don't know if they're poisonous just try and then eventually you'll lose i can't afford food but i can afford the cell phone signal to post the tiktok

russian roulette of berry eating oh man all right i don't want to see that actually yeah look you know project for you summer summer content here on this channel gets off the rails you know don't don't tempt us too much for the good time we'll do it we'll we'll do a camping summer scouting series um all right so marcus you're up at number one then you're up for the chicago bears i don't think this was going to be tough but it is a what we would do mock draft right not everybody has caleb as the number one quarterback you you two idiots did just give the packers fan the bears pick with number one and what i would do mock draft so i

could just throw this thing you know talia tongue of aloha number one overall i was gonna say no jokes aside i am this is the first time i've been like terrified of what Chicago is going to be putting out there on offense. It's, it's been Caleb. It's always been Caleb. So I think, I think that's pretty easy. Right. All right. So Caleb Williams starting it off at number one overall.

Connor, you want to go second? Sure. Yeah. No, I'll go second here with Washington. Oh yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Just give me three.

No, that's fine. Yeah. Listen, I, I'm always trying to make things easier on myself on the show. Let's don't hide that from anyone. I'm very honest. Like, I'm not trying to make it more difficult. It's already enough problems in life. All right.

Number two for the commanders, which is definitely not an easy choice. But, you know, we've been pretty open that we would take Drake May here. I will take Drake May here. I don't I'm not leaning that this will be the pick. I'm fascinated by take Drake May here. I will take Drake May here. I don't, I'm not leaning that this will be the pick. I'm fascinated by what ultimately happens here, but the upside with him is what being a number two pick is all about. And I'd be really excited for Washington if this is the route they ultimately go. Although once again, I don't expect that I think at this point. Yeah. So look, if the draft went this way this is what I think

the New England Patriots would do I think that they would go with Jaden Daniels at number three I'm also going to take Jaden Daniels at number three here because even though I'm gonna have a lot of other players that are ranked higher on my big board than Jaden Daniels the Patriots cannot go into 2024 without drafting a quarterback at three. They just can't. I guess maybe there's a reality where they try to have their cake and eat it too. Maybe they trade down, but they don't trade down too far. Maybe they could still get one of the big four that slides a little bit. They want to trade with the Giants or something at six.

I don't know. Something like that. But it's hard for me to think, even as somebody who loves the wheeling and dealing of trades and taking advantage of other teams' desperation, like you are desperate yourself to come out of this draft with a quarterback that you can believe in. So I'm going to go Jaden here.

And I know that that was a quick one, two, three. And I did so because I kind of want to pose the question to Marcus because as the guest, you know, a lot of people have heard our takes on quarterbacks. You Caleb number one so he is your like you said it's always been Caleb number one choice there but what do you think about these quarterbacks afterwards like how close is Drake May is he at all how close is Jaden Daniels is he at all talk to us about this and you can even throw McCarthy in there even though we'll get to him in a couple of picks what do you think of these guys I I definitely go just like you guys had Caleb at

the top then I have Drake in his own tier and then I have I would probably argue the next four are pretty much in the same tier after that I am a little bit lower on Jaden um just you know recently I was getting into some more footage doing some of the cornerbacks in the SEC and just saw some stuff with with Jaden and just was reminded, like, I know this is so tough, but it was so easy for LSU, man.

Like he had not just the receivers, but the protection and his arm talent popped is a little bit less than I remembered watching him back in January. I completely agree. We talked about this a little bit, Marcus. There's the play against Arkansas where he draws him off sides. I think he throws a touchdown to Brian Thomas.

Thomas had to work back to the ball on a free play. And it's like, it's a 50-yard throw, but he was able to step into it and let it ride, and he underthrew it by like five yards. It kind of hung in the air, and I like oh man that's just not ideal so i do still have jayden three um but definitely closer to mccarthy and nicks and even pennix and if i'm the patriots i'm either i want to either get to six if new york likes daniels or mccarthy because i still want to get a blue chipper at the top of the draft if i can get to six and get new york's

other second round pick to do that, then I'm maybe looking to trade back up, like what Tennessee did with Will Levis. Because my take on it is I much prefer either Pennix or Nix plus Marvin Harrison on the Patriots than I do Daniels going into that situation where the way I said it on Twitter twitter is like if i had to bet on if he'll be a success if new england just stays put at three and takes them i would bet against

him working out just because it's just not a good it's just not a good situation for for them to take a quarterback so i do like daniels inside the top 10 but really not to New England personally. Yeah, I like Daniels as well. But I do, I kind of think that we've gotten really carried away over the last two months of the draft process with people just like absolutely loving this dude and like thinking that there's no question he should be like the second quarterback off the board. There are things to like. Obviously, Jaden's, I think, a really good athlete.

But even with him being a good athlete, you know, I feel as though some people confuse that with just being able to make plays outside of the pocket. And Jaden is not a out of the pocket type of throw. Like he just, there are not a scrambler all the time. Exactly. Big distinguishment. I feel as though over the last couple of months, there are some people who just don't have that distinction. They just go, man, look at the athletic ability. Look how he can escape pressure, roll out, make a throw. And it's like, okay, is that physically possible for him? Yes, but he didn't do it very often. And if you throw Bo Nix and Michael Penix into that group, shoot, I think Penix had more throws,

just scrambling, than Jaden Daniels did over the last two years. If he actually left the pocket, yeah. But that's exactly what I'm saying is, Michael Penix never really leaves the pocket. And I'm pretty sure he had more throws on scrambles than Jaden did. That's crazy. That's actually crazy. I'll look that up in a second to make sure that I actually have that confirmed.

But that's how little Jaden does. And again, it's not that he can't. I don't think people are taking it seriously, the amount of projection that you're still putting out there for what Jaden has even put, the film that he has showed us over the last two years so I'm glad that you brought that up now I'm kind of wishing that you would have picked number three because that would have been spicy you would have been trading back and we could have had that but either it works I mean

obviously I've done this a fair share I usually either move to six or just take Marv I would say I would have taken Marv yeah without. But I think if you go to six and you know that a quarterback's going at three, you're happy with your chances of getting either Marv or neighbors. Oh boy, if I have to take Joe Walt, dang.

Don't make me. He's only the best tackle prospect we've seen since Penny Sewell, please. Yeah, seriously. That's kind of my process for them. All right, so you're up now at number four. What are you doing here, Marcus? Well, then that's got to be Marvin Harrison. If he's there at four, this is the first mock draft I've done

where I get to take Marv for the Cardinals because of the process I just described. He's usually gone for me at three. But, yeah, I mean, that's, that's a no brainer. Um, you know, dynasty pick one Oh one, him and Kyler, they're going to light it up. Um, and just, I love what that does to their, their skill group. I know last year, uh, the three of us were talking a lot about, um, oh gosh, Wilson, right. The receiver out of Stanford. Hell yeah baby just michael williams michael wilson um love what trey mcbride did i i just i love how it just kind of slides everybody down

into their natural pecking order and then marv becomes your your alpha and uh rock and roll there we go connor you're on the board number Number five. Chargers at five. Once again, what I would do probably significantly different from what Jim Harbaugh would do. I would take Malik neighbors in this spot. I just think he is too good. They are not looking great at wide receiver, by the way. I mean, both Mike Williams and Keenan Allen out the door. Quentin Johnson didn't show us anything last year. And even if he takes the next step, it's not like you don't need more receiving help. So I would take neighbors here.

I think they will build their team differently. I don't have a problem with that. Whether they get out of this pick, they look at defense, whether they prefer to get a right tackle and they just build a stellar offensive line. But I can't pass on neighbors here. I think it's insane.

Yeah. I mean, I would probably do the same unless, unless Minnesota is like desperate to come up to 11. Yeah. I would definitely take picks 11 and 23 in this draft, but we've, we've been kind of a little static so far, which is cool. I think we've almost been so trade happy Trevor, that it's kind of fun to do a draft like this of, Hey, what if things do stay a little bit more static? What would the picks look like? Or how would we make the picks? All right.

So I'm going to pose this question to both of you just because I think it's fun and it's picked up a little bit more steam over the last couple of weeks. Do you genuinely think that Joel is in play here? Like, do you really think that they're going to – obviously, every team looks at every single avenue, so I don't want to say, do you think they're seriously considering? I think every team seriously considers everything. Right.

But do you actually think that when the pick comes up, it'll be a debate? I'm fairly deeply rooted in the belief that the Vikings and the Chargers kind of have an agreement in place. And if McCarthy's there, that's going to be their guy. So I would say probably not. I know they would love him, but, you know, and maybe they do a little wheeling and dealing and try to get back up or something. I don't know, but I would say probably not. So let's take trade off the table. Let's say it's just Malik or Joe all.

Hmm. Then. Yeah. Is this what we're trying to like, figure out what we think they would do? Yeah. Because I have a bit, I have a big brain theory on this one,

brother. Do I have the platform for you? There's a podcast called the NFLfl stock exchange you're on it right now actually and you can go ahead and fire off this big brain theory anytime this is my moment this is like when they put the fans on the jumbotron arena and they're like oh wow what do i do and then it's gone it's already and then they don't do anything on the jumbotron they just point at it they're just like hey and they're just not on it or they look at the person next to them and they're like i'll do something and then it's gone uh from i wouldn't be floored here

five team trade if that'd be sick i wish we tried something like that with the bootleg guys we did it we did it and then and then the day after balky noted listener of the show said absolutely the hell not no he said get get lost dorks so i i would not be shocked if they just take jc latham at all wow because it's and i'm not that high on latham where i have taking him at five i think it's pretty wild move but he plays right tackle so you're not even moving slater or moving who you're drafting he his run blocking and grip strength is just all of the kind of offensive linemen Harbaugh likes to recruit. I just look at it and go,

I mean, Harbaugh knows a thing or two about him, obviously, playing against him. And I know he had one really bad moment in that game, but I could see Harbaugh really falling in love with a player like Latham and saying, yeah, we're just going to plug him in a right tackle and we're going to run the

absolute hell out of the football. Yeah. He, he was also a bulldozer in that game. Like that's what I'm saying. Like before on this bad moment. But when you watch the full tape of the game, you're just like,

yeah, bulldozer, bulldozer, bulldozer. So that's my big brain. Like, I think all will be the first tackle taken, but I,

I like the value i've seen latham valued at this pick at like plus 1300 yeah and i'm like ah that's a little far clearly likes him a lot the nfl likes jc latham a lot more than the general draft media consensus yes i'm gonna have him decently high in my final big board. I like Latham, though. He's grown on me, but I see concerning trends at tackle. And the penalties are a legitimate issue. Not in a vacuum, like, oh, he got called for holding.

Or, oh, he got another false start. He gets called for false starts because he's worried about the speed in front of him. Once again, I have J.C. Latham in my top 30. But there are things with him where I'm like, man, there's so many aspects of him that could make him an elite guard that but worry me on an islanded tackle. Yeah, he's outside my top 30. I'm not a fan. Honestly, I the way he I i mean he explodes into that that power set like he can get the range but he doesn't have the change of direction to cut off the inside

moves he doesn't keep his feet moving yeah on the inside move marcus i haven't i think 27th yeah but he's going he's going earlier 39 for me he's going no he for sure i got him at 19 that's before my final big board update like if you look at it right now which i think i updated after the combine so i've got him 19. i wonder if he'll be a little bit higher because we're doing that i'm doing that over the next couple of days but uh yeah you got him in the hall of fame yeah no i there's not even a reason to play the career honestly like just when you look at it probably work right it's just i mean playing the game would just risk injury and there's just no reason to do it you know just start the statue right okay so who's picking

the giants i am okay so jc laid them obviously uh no okay so giants on the clock what would i do i think i'd probably take this is i would say it's gonna break really great for you if we're being honest no you want one of the last three picks one of the last three players if you're the giants here yeah yep okay how do we feel uh hold on let's see so marcus connor me marcus connor all right so connor you have the vikings would this be the uh the vikings trade up yeah but actually connor you're you probably wouldn't do this because you wouldn't do this for no jj right i'm not moving up for j McCarthy. You cannot. Nobody can. Fair enough. All right.

You're stuck in the mud there. Wait, I have the Jets, right? I have the Jets, right? You do have the Jets. Can I trade up for a Dunzey? That's kind of fun. Sure, brother. I love how he fits right in there. Okay, hold on. Wait, a little New York to New York? I didn't even realize that. Fun fact, the Jets traded with the giants to take breese hall wasn't that the first trade that they've ever done or might have been i'm not sure in the history but uh it is let's see what do i have to give you um all right so six two and two fours. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be. I mean.

I was going to say. I think the second next year is probably. In this trade, because you almost need you need to keep 72 if you're the Jets. It's really hard. I go 1111 111 and the second next year all right let me look let me see if that's anywhere near on the uh draft value chart so to get from 10 to six that's a 300 point value second next year in 111? I mean, yeah, they'd probably do it. Let's do that. Second next year in 111.

Little ammo for the Giants to maybe go make a move for a quarterback next year if they want. Okay, so you're up. Man, that's... That's good thinking. You have a big brain all over this podcast. You have made the big bucks happy. And I think Giants fans will like this with, well, I don't know.

I think so. I mean, they're still going to get McCarthy at 10. So, yeah, I love how a doomsday pairs with Rogers because of the placement on the back shoulders and stuff. Oh, yeah. I almost think you need that with a doomsday if he's going to hit as a top 10 pick. Yes. So I like him a lot more in the Jets than I do with Daniel Jones at six.

All right, let's do it. Jets traded up to number six. You're going Romo Dunzey. Seven for the Titans. This is Marcus. You're back up. That is me. Okay.

Yeah, Joe Alt. I've had the easier picks here. Caleb and Alt are like. That's true. And you had Marvin. Yeah, and Marv. You had Caleb, Marvin, and Alt. It's basically just the easiest draft of all time for you.

At least I spiced it up with the Jets trade up. That's true. Yeah, I mean. You're earning your keep here with the Jets trade. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this one's been beat into the dirt. He's got to be like minus 300 at this point to go seven.

I haven't looked, but. What is he? Let's check. I think it was, the odds were better than that. I think it was more like minus 120. I was looking this morning. That is interesting. Yeah, I was very surprised when I saw that. I thought it was more like minus 120. I was looking this morning. That is interesting. Yeah, I was very surprised when I saw that.

I thought it was like minus 150. It was probably moving when it launched. People were probably jumping on it. I mean, obviously, listening to this podcast, they hear us talking about it, so the lines will move drastically since we are just such innovators. You'd be surprised what the books use

to generate draft odds. I just want to know what they use for the Levis odds. Reddit? That's all I want to know. Is it Reddit? Did Reddit really move the line that much? No, Kuyper.

Kuyper loved Levis. He did like Levis. Is what he is. I would love to know. Alt going seven. We kind of gave the analysis last episode 135 is what he is. Okay. So I would love to know. Alt going seven. We kind of, we look,

we kind of gave the analysis last episode when we talked about the Titans. They figured it out basically everywhere else. They spent the money everywhere else. Yeah. You got to go get the tackle. Question for the room. Does anyone want this pick? Number eight.

I will take any phone call right now. I don't think so. I'm good. I'm good. Wait. Who controls the Raiders at 13? That's literally what I was looking at. It's not me. That'd be me.

Do you have any interest in popping up? But it'd be for JJ, right? I popping up but it'd be for jj right i don't think i mean else no i i'm like connor i i don't want to i don't want to move up for or was that you trevor said you wouldn't trade yeah it was you i i'm i'm much higher on jj and the vikings than i am him on the raiders just because of the circumstance. I think that is fair. I'm going to hold out that I could either get Panics or Knicks. I'm thinking of other teams that could move up.

You've got Brock Bauer still on the board. Jerzon Newton still on the board. speaking of betting stuff i saw this morning that jerzan newton is just minus 170 to be a first round pick that's crazy whatsoever that's crazy what are we doing what are we doing dude i i don't understand any anything him, like what we're missing. Marcus, do you like him? I can see him falling into the 20s because I have heard what you guys have said about him. I'm a little more concerned about the run defense than you guys are. I think he does give up ground.

I don't love his total package in terms of play strength, but he's still a first-round player. I have a true first-round, top-20-in-the-class type of grade. So I can see him slipping mid-20s, even as late as 28, 29, but the idea that someone wouldn't grab him or trade up to get him, that is crazy. Would be just wild to me. There's not enough players better than him in this class. Yeah, that right there's just straight up not so i don't think anyone wants this pick right no not even the falcons all right skipping it um okay we forfeit the pick clock is at zero

we have surrendered the bear's election yeah all right yeah that's fine i am going to take wait do i control the Broncos? You do. Something to think about. Hmm. I mean, all those teams are going to be tempted to move up. Yeah. If they, if they, if there's even a minor tier gap between their top

quarterback. They're clustered together. Yeah. No, I'm not going to do it. We explored the opportunity. I'm not mad. I like all three guys enough that if I'm any of those teams, I'm just like...

Take the guy? Yeah. I mean, the one thing I would do is trade up with Minnesota just because I really do like McCarthy as a fit in that system. But you can also just risk that. Well, I don't have Minnesota. So I do.

Oh, right. Connor's got Minnesota. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, would you do that trade if you were Minnesota Connor or no? Cause JJ.

Okay. All right. Well, so wait, who has Minnesota at 23? Oh boy. We have to do more math. I also think it is Connor. I think it is i think it's you oh it might miss it might be you trevor but we'll get there um i'm gonna take jared verse here okay

it's i'm not like it's fine um i think verse is a really good player i think his power profile fits in nicely in this front seven. I get the idea of Dallas Turner here because there's a, there's a higher ceiling and he could do some more things off the ball that Raheem Morris might like. I understand all of that, but I'm just going to go with the guy that I, who's my guy there.

I like the hell. Yeah. I love law too. It's just tough for me to take a guy with that medical history in the top 10. It's just not in my, it's just not in my DNA. I've never do it. So I'm gonna go with first.

You have grown up a Jets fan. So yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, it's understandable. Right. Vernon Golson,

Dwayne Robertson. You guys know that one? Dwayne Robertson. Sounds familiar, but it also just sounds like buzzword NFL first name and NFL last name so it could just be familiar because auto-generated Madden uh yeah well he was the fourth overall pick of the 2003 draft wow to the Jets yeah yeah bad knees bad knees was not a good fourth overall pick. That's tough. At all. Tough. Tough to see. Okay. I'm up with the Bears?

Yes, you are. Yes. I'm Ron Burgundy? That was a big Ron Burgundy moment. No, Dunesay. You've got a vintage low moving cost opportunity here, Trevor. I do. And it's a good one.

And it's a real good one. This is typically, we typically go Johnny Newton when there's not a wide receiver to be had. Yeah. Because I just think, I don't know, maybe I'm lower on the group than I should be, but I don't think that I am. You've got Andrew Billings, who's 29 about to be 30 right jervin dexter from florida

who i watched plenty of them like run defender like really strong dude but yeah one of the work in progress he like he just he does not have the get off the ball type of speed and awareness and anticipation certainly that I saw at Florida. I don't think he's going to be like this crazy difference making pass pressure in the NFL, but I think he's a good run defender. I think kind of the same with Zach Pickens from South Carolina. And after that, it's basically it. You draft Johnny Newton.

He has been trying to get a three-tack. Right. He's been trying to get his DeForest Buckner since he got there. If you draft Johnny Newton here, he's by far the best interior defensive lineman on the team, at least three-tech. Right. He's been trying to get his DeForest Buckner since he got there. If you draft Johnny Newton here, he's by far the best interior defensive lineman on the team, at least potential-wise. I know it's a rookie versus veterans. I know, I know, I know.

Don't yell at me. But talent-wise, he's DT1 on this team, 100%. So I agree with you. I think that Ibrahim Fluss would love a go-to three-technique player, and I think that is the key for the rest of this defense working with how he has things set up. So I'm going Johnny Newton here. And that means, oh, I'm back up on the clock at 10. You're back up.

I am fascinated to see what you do here. Because I know I would do the unconventional. You would do the unconventional? For the Giants at 10? Yeah. I would take Brock Bowers and not think twice about it. Mm-hmm. Wow. Darren Waller hasn't even committed to playing football this year.

I thought about Bowersers the other name that just popped to me that in this scenario has never really appealed to me this high but what about quinion mitchell yeah that's a very fair argument you have a very fair argument for that yes it's too bad wink's gone because that would have been like the wink pound the table i think he really wanted sauce that year and sauce didn't make it to them. Mitchell and Banks is a damn good one-two punch. That's a really good one-two on the outside. Man. Hmm.

I think I like that. I do like the Bauer suggestion, though. I don't mind the Bauer suggestion. It certainly gives them a different element to their offense that they would have liked to get if they were drafting a wide receiver at six. This wide receiver class is deep, though. They still pick at 47. I know.

You know what? I'm going to do it. I'm going to go Brow gonna go brown i'm gonna go back yeah all right the more i thought about it the more i'm like okay he is basically what wide receiver one on this team if darren waller doesn't play yes it's it's just it's hard for me to pass it's hard for me to pass that up, even though I'm a big Deontay Banks fan, and I love Deontay Banks on one side, Quinion Mitchell on the other. That's sick. I do trust Brian Dable as one of the offensive coordinators that will find a way.

But it will be funny when they're out there with just four slot receivers somehow. They're going to have a quadruple stack on one side so that they can have three slot wide receivers or something all right well i don't think this will be i would definitely take mccarthy here um he's grown on me throughout the process he really has i one thing that stands out to me is he's actually like i know we we slab him as game manager, but as a game manager also in the sense of like situationally, he's a big playmaker on like third and long.

They didn't find themselves in a lot of third and longs, so you have to really sort through them. But I thought he has that really good balance of like actually trying to push the ball down the sticks, running when he needs to, having that situational awareness to be like, nope, this is my moment to be aggressive. Like taking that check down or that drag four yards short of the sticks isn't going to do anything for us so he does try to buy time and you know make stuff happen so um that's just one thing i've

started to see more of as i've gotten through all these big 10 defensive players um so i i think in that offense any of these quarterbacks would really have success, to be honest. But I do think his style with that scheme and those receivers would be actually a really good spot for him to succeed. This is me, right? For the Broncos at 12? No, the Vikings are on the clock. Oh, we're getting all turned around. I just sold the whole. So did I sell you?

No, I wanted to let Marcus keep going because he was cooking. It was great. I wasn't going to interrupt him. I just wanted to make sure that I do make the pick. Well, now this is like the ultimate test of did the sales pitch connect? Or are you still just going to sit here and be like, no, I'm taking Michael Penix. You're going to be surprised.

I'm going to big brain this a little bit. I'm actually going to take Quinion mitchell here to the vikings okay yeah i am i am taking a massive risk here though um i understand that but i think i think my big brain theory can come out on top i am getting brian flores maybe the best man cover corner in the draft i like the jeans versatility better that's why he's my number one rated corner. But just Mitchell out on an island, the things he could do. This would be a really, really fun landing spot. So I'm going to take

Quinion Mitchell, which probably makes your life really, really easy for both of you coming up with the Broncos and Raiders. Well, so I pick for the Broncos. Who actually picks here? I mean, I will take J.J. McCarthy to the Broncos. That's fine.

1,000%. I mean, if it didn't get easier for the Vikings to pick him, let me tell you where it does get easier. The team in the depth chart that has Jarrett Siddham and Ben DiNucci currently on the roster. I mean, I would sprint this card in. Sean Payton would sprint this card in. I mean, we wouldn't be thinking twice about it. I would sprint this card in. Sean Payton would sprint this card in.

I mean, we wouldn't be thinking twice about it. McCarthy, for a lot of the things that you mentioned, Marcus, I think you did a really good job breaking it down. You did a great job breaking it down for the Broncos. I think that it's similar. But the way that McCarthy has taken a step up, I think, in processing is a big deal. And I don't think that that's just a buzzword thing that people have just been saying this offseason.

Sometimes I do believe that part of quarterbacking gets carried away with what we hear outside of NFL teams. They're like, oh, the NFL loves how he processes. And it's like, okay, sure. What does that mean? Right. It's just so ambiguous. What you're saying is true. I believe you.

When that is the case, that is valuable. But I feel like they just say it for a lot of different quarterbacks. McCarthy, though, listeners of this show will remember, we did not like McCarthy going into the season. We watched McCarthy's tape in 2022, and I was like, this guy is far away from being what he needs to be. And y'all are talking about him like he's a top 20, top 10 pick. And what we saw this past year was much closer to that,

or at least much more encouraging because of how much he did get better. And Marcus, you highlighted what he has been on third down. Best two quarterbacks in this class on third down are third and long situations, I should say, are Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy. And the big difference is Bo Nix has less than 50%, around 40% of his first downs completed before the stick, short of the sticks. And McCarthy on third and long, he's pushing it past the first down marker. He's getting that stuff with his arm.

So it's a big difference. Sean Payton desperately needs a quarterback that he can believe in. I think McCarthy in that game manager ish role is really great for the Broncos specifically because Payton has devised offenses for when Drew Brees was like at the prime of his throwing ability and also less like when Brees had to be more of a facilitator, when he had to be more of a game manager, when he had to be more of a game manager, when he just had to keep things on script,

get the ball where it's supposed to go. And I think early on, you can allow J.J. McCarthy to be shades of that. I'm not calling him Drew Breeze. And then you can allow him to evolve after. So anyways, I don't think I've done a mock draft yet where McCarthy has been able to go to the Broncos. And so this is a really good fit. I'm glad that we were able to make happen.

Yeah. Okay, so this is where you really have to think about the upside projections for the quarterbacks left like do i see bonics or pennix exceeding minshu probably but not within the first year or two i would say probably not so i'm not like i have to take a quarterback here personally um especially now that all of those cards have kind of been dealt a little bit i think you're in a pretty good spot maybe round two like i'm willing to risk one of those guys is there later and honestly if i miss out i kind of like gardner minchu i think he's earned this opportunity um so i'm actually not going to go quarterback here okay i think who's who's in there next to um wilkins right now i'm just trying to make sure i'm not forgetting any

oh who do they have tyree wilson is maybe going to play some three tech for him um i'm gonna keep i know what i'm doing I'm going to keep making that D line of strength. Just kidding. Scratch that. Wow. We're on a roller coaster right now. We're on a roller coaster. It's the Raiders, so.

It's like the mask. This was John Gruden. He's like, I want a quarterback. I want a cornerback. And then he's like, actually, I want Alex Leatherwood. Right. Oh, man. That was great Gruden. He's like, I want a quarterback. I want a cornerback. And then he's like, actually, I want Alex Leatherwood. Right. Oh, man. That was great.

Or Cleland Farrell at four. Yeah, Cleland Farrell at four. Let us not forget. Jonathan Abram in the first round. Dude, that was wrong, man. Damon Arnett in the first round, brother. All right. One guy I actually really like is Amarius Mims.

I'm high on him, man. I really am. I think the only thing to truly work on him for a guy that has those traits, the test of the way he did, that was a productive, like good player when he was out there. his reaction time to cut off inside moves. And I know we said that with Latham. I think Latham has actual physical limitations and change of direction problems. I don't see that with Mims, the way he moves in his run blocking. I think Mims, it's much more of getting the reps, recognizing when that guy's going to that inside swipe, when he's doing that inside counter. I think if you can teach him that, you have an all-pro right tackle. And I think they need that, obviously.

They lost basically the whole right side of their O-line. And you also lost Carmen Brasilo. So you can't count on digging these Thayer Mumfords and Jermaine Illuminors up into starting caliber territory anymore. I think you have to invest in that group a little more. So I know we went full circle there, but I'm going to go Mims. Okay.

I like the right tackle thought for them a lot. Amarius Mims off the board at 13. You know, again, like it sort of feels early, but it also doesn't. I feel as though the closer we get to the draft, the more hype we hear about Amarius Mims going pretty high and the NFL sort of being like in Marcus's seat or to his logic, basically saying, you can't pass up on a guy like this. Okay. Who cares? He's not

the perfect product right now. It's because he's barely played college football, right? I mean, you just take this dude and you draft him and you develop them. So Amarius Mith's 13 to the las vegas raiders um saints at 14 me you me you all right i'll keep the tackle run going i'm going with troy fatano uh i think this is an offensive line that you could argue like multiple areas are going to need help and this is the guy that can help you in multiple areas he's just such a good player he's a high floor player he's a brawler i think he's really good in pass pro um i love his mentality you know really the dna of this guy i think this is if the saints were able to get him at 14 i would be pretty happy if i was them i was between ollu, Fuwanga, and Fitanu uh and I ended up with him because of the versatility yeah Indy Indy on the clock at 15 um I don't know again I don't know if I've

been able to make this pick before or I just don't know if I have made this pick before but Cooper Dijon to Indy yeah why not I mean I mean they desperately need a CB1 on this team and it's a Gus Bradley defense I was just gonna say the scheme I love I love your call out of this of the scheme dude it's perfect he gets to play off coverage he gets to play cover three he gets to keep his eye on the quarterback if you allow him to do that that's exactly what he was able to do over the last couple of years with Iowa. And that's when you saw some crazy instincts, some great ball skills, some taking interceptions to the house, all that kinds of stuff.

Being able to kind of trigger downhill and make a tackle on wide receivers that are doing shallow routes or running backs out of the backfield, things like that. I mean, this is – I can't believe that I haven't made this pick more, honestly. And maybe Colts – Yeah, he's the best cover three corner in the draft. Yes, yes. No question about it.

And I think Colts fans might be like, yo, we've seen this a million times. Where have you been at? Maybe that's the case. But I really like this one. I'm excited about this one. If this happened on draft weekend, I would absolutely love it for Indy. Dajin going to the Colts at 15. Marcus, you were up with the Seahawks at 16.

All right. There's a player I've just really fallen in love with here at 16 for them, and that's Graham Barton. I'm huge on Graham Barton, dude. I think he's the top. I've got him top 20. Let's go, man. He's a really good player. There's just no holes. He can he's the top. I've got him top 20. Let's go. He's a really good player. There's just no holes.

He can play all five positions. And the Seahawks need three, two, four depending on Lucas's injuries at right tackle. But I mean, I think Graham Barton is either a guard or a center for you. Once he tested like that, after I already loved

his tape and have heard just the things people say about him. I'm just like, why, why would you just not just stay put and take them? Cause I've, I've tried, I've played around with trading down with Seattle and oftentimes I miss out

on them because Pittsburgh and Miami are just a few picks later. Yup. And they love him too. Would probably take him so easily. So it's just like, is it three picks earlier than you typically see him in a mock draft? Yeah. But he is the perfect piece for them.

I agree. We love him here on this show. So him going 16 warms the heart. Connor, you're up with the Jags at 17. Yeah, tough spot, right? Because with Jacksonville, I would have really liked Dajin or Quinion. They're gone. Shoot, or Graham Barton.

Or Graham Barton. Or Troy Fontenot. Well, the thing is with them, it's weird. They paid Ezra Cleveland. They have Scherf there. They drafted Anton Harrison in the first round, and they're paying Cam Robinson, and they just brought in Mitch Morse.

And did you even mention Walker Little there? No. Who's their swing guy? Yeah decent yeah so it's it's weird where I in theory want to just take Fuanga and say this is the future but does Jacksonville feel like whoever they take needs to play right now and I don't dislike the corners but I'm just disappointed the top two I really like are gone sure and then I'm looking disappointed the top two I really like are gone. Sure. And then I'm looking at Dallas Turner kind of as this little bit of an everything guy. Yeah, Turner's on the board. That's probably where I'm going to go because I just think the upside is too high.

What about your boy? You would have to fend off Trent Balky to not take the Dallas Turner there just because that is like everything he wants. If they took Dallas Turner, Jags fans should demand refunds for any season tickets that they have purchased after just signing Josh Allen and drafting Trayvon Walker at number one overall. But that's the issue.

Like they took the wrong guy at number one. I don't care. But sure. They did. Yes, they did. And I'm not saying he's a bad player but i don't i will never think he's a different a game-changing player is he gonna get to a second contract are you gonna pick up his fifth year option we don't know that right now

i think they'll pick up his i think they'll pick it up but but do you feel like you're so happy like yes we have to pick up this option the fact you had to ask the question no i mean it could be like 28 million you know it could be like 28 million because he was the number one pick he's had sacks i'm gonna take dallas turner i still think there's a place for him on the field and i would you're doing it yeah i would think on passing downs you kick trayvon inside and and turner gets to be on the field and i think he can do a lot of things off the ball it's actually too much upside here dallas turner josh allen eric arm said and trayvon walker that's your fight as your four on third and long yeah who are you getting after is tj stroud like

how i mean you're right yeah you're right you better be ready i'm surprised you talked about brian thomas jr and they spent so much money on wide receiver I mean, you're right. Yeah, you're right. You better be ready to rush the passer in this division. I'm surprised you didn't talk about Brian Thomas Jr. They spent so much money on wide receiver, it feels like. Yeah, but they stink. I mean, listen, trust me. I wanted to do it. I just, Gabe Davis is clogging the role you want for Brian Thomas Jr.

It's true. Like, that's how you use him, but you pay Gabe Davis. Yeah. Yep. So, this seems just, it feels like all the decisions they've made are like, we're kind of problem cloggers for things I wanted to do. I wanted to take Fawanga.

I wanted to take, we just had the conversation. Well, I took Dallas Turner anyway. I didn't care. And I wanted to take Brian Thomas Jr. So yeah, Jacksonville is a tricky one. Hopefully Quinan or Dajin is there for them. All right, so Dallas Turner now off the board. Cincinnati Bengals on the clock here.

Hmm. This feels easy, doesn't it? Am I crazy? I think it is. With Tawanga? Yeah, I would be like, great. See, see, see, that's why I asked. Because he's like, oh, yeah.

Mine was Byron Murphy. I mean, I'm not going to push back on you on that. I would take Newton over Murphy for sure. But he's long gone. So I love Murphy, man. I got Murphy ahead of Newton. He's a fun player. Man, it's tough, tough though to pass on the

tackle here like yeah it really is it's not my position every year to get a dude right exactly yeah you can play fuanga one of the guard spots yeah yeah. And Trent Brown will miss games. Yeah. It's like death and taxes. He's going to be on the injury report. Yeah. You're right. You're right.

You're right. Sorry. I really like took over that. I really, I said, I said the name first. When you said this is obvious. I was like,

you did. You guessed right. Not just guess. Guess. You do that. I knew. Oh man. Not just where. I guess. You do that. I knew. Oh, man. Guess.

Right. I get flung at 18. Triggered. Marcus, you're here. I have a minor take. You're here for the therapy section. Minor take on that. That's why you're here.

I think that you just drafted an all-pro guard that you're just never going to move back to tackle after that. Right. Like the Cowboys did with Tyler Smith. Although, that might not. drafted a all pro guard that you're just never going to move back to tackle after that right like the cowboys did with tyler smith although yeah that might not that actually might change now but still you get the point i think i think you're you did the whole thing you're like oh he's our future tackle and he's just going to be so good at guard that you're just like eh we'll just keep signing band-aids to play right tackle yes which is which is fine because you have a great right guard i think he is such a

fantastic offensive line prospect yes he really is man i think the ceiling is higher at guard for him just because some of the physical limitations but i really do believe this guy could play tackle i i really do um so that's look i think like you guys said and i think it was marcus who said this you're not going to be in a position if you're the Bengals and you have Joe Burrow as your quarterback to pick high enough to take an offensive lineman that you would love to take too often. So you'd rather do the Howie Roseman strategy and say,

eh, is there a biggest need? No. But is it going to be our checkbook's biggest need a year from now? Maybe. So why don't we just try to solve that option here with a really good player on a rookie contract? So Marcus, you're up.

This is me. Oh man. This is so hard. Cause I love both lots who and Murphy for them here. It's just like the literal debate of like, is interior or edge more valuable for you? Oh man. I. like is interior or edge more valuable for you um oh man i think i murphy is such a rams like aaron donald got like he's not aaron donald but you don't have to change your scheme and what you wanted to do from last year you can just say you're you're in the same spot and you're not disrupting what

kobe turner was able to do it's good right yeah kobe turner and byron murphy is a really nice one too on the interior i'm who do i have a higher i'm just checking to have a higher overall i have the exact same overall grade on of course he and la too So this gets real hard. Of course. I love Latu, dude. He's so good. I have Latu higher, but two spots higher. I think the Rams would take Latu because they are the team that doesn't really care. Moving costs, baby. That's why.

That too. Yeah. But they're the team that they'll take the guy with the injury risk. And I think he's a little bit more impactful for that pass rush right now. Because I don't like their edge group. I like Byron Young. But I mean, he's like... As a two.

Oh, I mean, as a two at best. Right. As a two at best. So, yeah, Byron Young is not keeping you from drafting latu latu at all whatsoever okay um connor you're gonna be up with the pictaberg stealers but before we get to that pick got a shot at our friends over at fabric if you guys out there got a family you got to get them term life insurance to protect them it is one of the smartest financial decisions that you can make and the start of uh well i was gonna say the start of the New Year because what the script says but now I gotta make it up and say that this part of the

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I got to say, two of the hardest laughs I've had from a podcast this year. Number one was when you said M-E-E or M-E- or me at will take you to bengal's youtube channel phenomenal and your whole bit about the the lazarus and the coming back from playing for the jets with uh trevor was oh my god which one is one i think i think we almost got into that i think we almost asked the question we're like which one's more? I think we almost got into that. I think we almost asked the question. We were like, which one's more difficult? Okay, no, you know what?

We can't do this. We can't do it. We know when to rip the cord. Oh, you went in on it. Did I? Did we fully finish it? Yeah. Oh, man.

It's great. We have fun on this podcast, if you guys can't tell. Once in a while. Connor, are you taking for the Steelers at 20? I'm taking Brian Thomas Jr. I mean, obviously, the Steelers could just like sleep talk day two wide receivers and draft all pros. So I know that kind of goes against their franchise's theory on the position and success that they've had in a class where there's really good day two wide receivers. I don't know how you find a guy like this that, you know, like this kind of traits on day two with,

I'm just going to say he's polished because the route tree is small. He dropped some layups, but man, I think he comes into the NFL and he's going to win vertically. Marcus, I don't want to throw this at you. I think the closest comp I could even get to him because he's so freakish is Christian Watson. What do you think of that? Yeah, I think I have something similar to that.

He's just, if Christian Watson was two years younger coming out and doesn't have injury problems. I do have Christian Watson for me as well. People forget Christian Watson's really good when he's actually healthy. That dead weapons looks so different with him on the field. It's a great comp because he's not mvs he's so much more fluid um better after the catch better route runner which is what you see in christian watson um and i think his like contested catch skills show much more too that's a big because i that's kind of the range you hear is

like the packers receivers mvs and christian Christian Watson um I think he is he is much more Christian Watson I really like Brian Thomas um it's a good fit maybe you can restore the Russell Wilson boon balls maybe that's true with that connection you got a chance you do have a chance until Arthur Smith says no Jalen Warren 28th carry of the day. So Miami's up at number 21. Hey, they re-signed Cordero Patterson to do that, just like he did in Atlanta. Oh, great. Good, yeah, great, good, good, good.

Or just Smith, he brings his luggage with him, for sure. But his luggage is Jonu Smith, Cordero Patterson. Yeah. His luggage is when, like... It's going to be Tyler out here once out here gets off the road you know 100 the book bag's got ripped zippers and it's just all right so my board felt really well for Miami here it it incredibly well yeah yeah so Byron Murphy is on the board and obviously you're losing Christian Wilkins so some some people might look at it and say, Hey, this is the obvious pick.

Take Byron Murphy. I'm taking Olu Fashinu because to run Armstead, it was like up in the air, whether or not he was even going to come back for this year. And he's like, all right, I'm coming back for one more year. You don't know what the future looks like with him. I would love to get a high-ceiling, athletic, left tackle type of a player to play while Armstead is still there. Somebody else who has had a ton of success in this league

being a really great athlete as a left tackle to be able to groom Olu while he is there. I think that Olu can find some place to play along the offensive line. I mean, Miami's offensive line was not great last year. You're losing Robert Hunt. Like you're going to have to replace some guys anyways. So Olu's going to start somewhere on this offensive line next season. And then I think whenever Teron Armstead is done,

he's able to slide right in there. So again, a pick that I have, I don't know if I've ever made that i still really like is is olufashin who go into miami at 21 which is what i'm doing yeah i love it big fan of that uh marcus eagle 22 alfia for me um hmm i i like terry on arnold i don't love terry on arnold i'm with you on that um he's still probably who i'm picking here i'm just like because corner does feel like such a desperate need i i love nate wiggins i just don't know if not taking a linebacker here no i mean would they think about jackson powers johnson or jc latham yes they think about

they would think about themhe them because late them would be their type because they literally just took steen last year right it's like a mini version of late kind of is the last room version yeah it's really weird that he's saying yeah lathe plays right guard and then gets to kick out at right tackle whenever Lane Johnson retires. Yeah. I think that's the pick. I think that's the pick. Or Latham could play corner,

you know, year one since they, they need them so badly and you just overlook Tara and Arnold for them. It's like when they take, they take JC Latham, they just play this sound over, like they show Tyler Steen on the background. It's just.

That'd be so darn good. You could put him at corner and just say, you don't have to cover him, just eat him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. See he lambs, what, like 180 pounds? Yeah. Swallow him up. Just put Latham in press against him and just, you know. Take a bite

uh we need a soundboard on this podcast you know connor just i would love to i would press buttons obnoxiously slamming different buttons i'm gonna actually look into this hey what's going on here just like every two seconds i i think i'm gonna look at this get a stream deck they're easy right it's probably time well i know i'm wasting my look at this. Get a stream deck. They're easy. Right. It's probably time. Well, I know I'm wasting my money on this week. Always my favorite game to play. What will I buy this week to keep your sanity a week from the draft? Yeah. The new house

maybe. Yeah. I'm trying. Nobody will let me. Nobody will let me. Okay. So Connor, you're up with the Vikings at 23. Once again, you picked Queen on Mitchell for them at number 11 who you taking at oh lord this couldn't have worked out better i put on an absolute master class holy yes shit yes i distracted both of you um with bad jokes and you know just stupid

stuff all the way i'm taking michael pennix at 23 which was my master plan all along oh i didn't think that's where you were going. Yeah, where did you think I was doing? I thought you were going by Murphy. No, they need a quarterback. I didn't do it at 11. Sam Darnold season, baby. He didn't do it at 11, and then he fell all the way to 23.

That was the whole plan. Skull Nation would have killed me if I didn't take a quarterback here. So they get Quinn Young. Hold on, you can believe in Sam donald no i i can't i actually watched many years ago uh up close and personal and i absolutely will not so that's fair that's fair that's fair i have a phd in not believing in sam cut out everything that i said about by murphy this was actually the pick all along yep so the vikings walk at a round one with quinn yon mitchell and michael Penix Jr. A plus for them.

Wow. Yeah, it's fun. Surprised you didn't just trade a six round pick for Zach Wilson and just see what happens. Recreate, recreate the Jets. Get Bryce Petty and Hackenberg out of retirement. Dude, what do we have here? You know what's you know, it's actually like really joke, you know, you know, what's really funny about this bit that we're doing right now?

Is that Kevin O'Connell was on the Jets two separate times. Really? Yes. Did not know that. Yes. He was on the Jets two separate times. Two separate times. I didn't know his career was long enough to be on the Jets.

He oddly hung around the NFL for four years. Okay. Still, again, doesn't seem long enough to be on a team twice. I know. Cowboys at 24. Murphy's on the board.

Murphy and Mozzie Smith in the middle would be some pretty crazy athleticism. What's their corner room look like? Oh, they got Bland and Diggs. Yeah, they got guys. Yeah, they got the guys. This feels like Rasheen Ali solve up their running back problem.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, no, that's definitely where I was leaning as well. This entire podcast is just shitposting. I mean, we've done so many mock drafts, dude. This entire podcast is just shitposting. I mean, we've done so many mock drafts, dude. It's just hard not to crack at any moment. I think this is JPJ for me. Yeah.

Like, I get it. I've heard some injury concerns with him, but what? One-year starter, is he perfect? No, but he's such a great mold of interior offensive lineman, right i'm going i'm going jackson power johnson at 24 for the cowboys which here we go baby we did the math correctly marcus packers 25 take it away oh man damn we did cooper gene not available for the packers what is going on welcome to our world no graham barton yeah Graham Barton yeah those would be my two favorites I will say that um I do I do have a take that they would take JC Latham as well um just like kind of like Connor suggested that for the Chargers I think if he were there which he's not going to be there but

uh LeFleur loves to follow his like Shanahan friends in the league and both Shanahan and McVay have been getting these likeuling guards. I wouldn't be surprised if he's like, we're going to be a little more power after signing Josh Jacobs too, which is a total shift in we're going to go more power. Something to keep an eye out for would be a Fuaga or a Latham. Corner and safety are obviously huge needs for them i think with terry on arnold still here he would be i think the packers are a team that really want to stay away from like injury risk guys if i were to be the gutekunst seat here. And I am genuinely terrified of Nate Wiggins' durability.

Yeah, he's quite slender. Yeah. And he's just been getting banged up left and right. So I think I'll go Terry and Arnold. Damn, right in front of Diva. And, you know, I like Terry and Arnold better in the slot. I think he can play outside, but in an ideal world here,

Stokes can stay healthy and Arnold is your slot. Um, so I, I, now that I say that I feel better about it with him in the slot. I think it's like a super, super version of, um,

what, uh, Kyler Gordon was for the Bears a couple years ago. All right. Taren Arnold, Packers 25. Connor, you're up with the Bucs at 26. Always a scary proposition. As always, I will phone you in, Trevor.

The problem is the pass rushers are gone. They're all gone. They're all gone. Man. Part of me, I like W wiggins by the way a lot i don't know if i love wiggins for bowls yeah you shouldn't as much as i like kool-aid for bowls yeah kool-aid is dude yeah that's i'm leaning on k-Aid in the spot for the defense. I mean, am I wrong on the position here, Trevor? No, you're not.

I mean, I think they would go pass rusher first and foremost. It just doesn't exist. I don't. Like, maybe they'd pick Darius Robinson or Chop Robinson. You don't think they'd like Chop? I don't think they'd like chop um i don't i don't know because here's i have no idea how any nfl team is going to feel about chop robinson because he's unbelievably athletic he's just he's got a crazy high ceiling and he has no backfield production right and he's not

going to defend the run for you he's not built for it i don't i don't think that would be a bull's pick at all from what he did with the jetsets, I can't speak to how his philosophy has changed. I think they already have that player type in Yaya Diaby. Bingo. Who was good last year. No backfield production sounds a lot like Joe Tryon and Logan Hall to me. Well, that worked really well for them. So the third time is a charm.

I'll do it again. I'm taking cool in here, by the way. I was so happy, Trevor, when you guys took logan hall that year because he was the guy that i was like please packers do not take logan hall because he was there oh and they would have needed that position yeah and when we didn't i was like oh thank god oh wow okay so cardinals are up they took marvin harrison at four i'm up with them here at 20 this This is so easy. I say it's got to be Byron Murphy.

Yeah, it has to be. There's nobody else in the conversation. Yeah, this is I mean, he's immediately the most talented defensive lineman that they have on that team. And they and I think Jonathan Gannon would get very creative with how they set their fronts with Byron Murphy as their centerpiece. And I don't know that doesn't have to mean like he's in the middle all the time, but where he is aligned. Because, I mean, Byron can play anything from a zero technique to a five technique, and he can win.

So getting in this draft and coming away with Marvin Harrison Jr. and Byron Murphy II, I mean, would just be a home run for Arizona. Cardinals fans, if this is anything less than a home run oh my gosh tell me what we would have done differently here or those are two top 10 players in the draft for me marvin and byron murphy the roy lopez slander though will not be tolerated just so you know sure you said this would be the best guy on the team right away you're forgetting that roy Lopez is with Arizona. I genuinely did forget. I need it.

You know how like, well, I guess right there, Marcus has the jerseys in the background, right? Like we just need to get like four Roy Lopez jerseys, just basically every team that he has been on around us. And then people will know that that's the podcast.

All right. Who's up at 28? Marcus. This is me, right? Okay. Yes. I'm,

I'm taking Adonai Mitchell here strictly out of the fear of what he will be for the chiefs. That's the best argument I've ever heard for adenai mitchell that's incredible i support it 100 you are especially after the whole kair elam and mcduffie situation played out um i do think he'd be a fit here and they'd make it work um and you you can kind of you can kind of move them around a little bit because they did sign some different pieces i don't think he's ready to just step into the league and dominate right away but uh definitely like the flashes and um i the other guy i like schematically is xavier worthy but i can't put him in cold weather

buffalo games in january i just can't do that with his with his frame they'd have to dress him like randy from uh christmas story yeah like with the eight and three quarter hands scarf eight and three quarter inch hands for worthy that's uh that's not gonna work in the cold nope yeah uh connor lions yeah i'm on the clock with the lions you are indeed ah man not the easiest spot packers fan in me is like please take a linebacker please take a running back please right a total yeah they would they would do yeah yeah try and do what you did last year and see if it works out again please now this is gonna seem kind of crazy but i actually am okay with this spot for chop robinson because yeah that's a good spot right i think they can

coach him up he doesn't have to be the guy because you already have the guy i think they'd know how to use him the right way he's so explosive this is this is the spot for me where i'm comfortable with chop robinson being a first round pick yeah they have that role right they they have james houston exactly and he was hurt last year yeah and i'm not right they have a spot for him but it just feels like chop it's wow, okay. We got really explosive in this spot. Ravens up. I'm up with the Ravens at 30. Tyler Guyton's just screaming at me right now.

Yeah. Because I think he could play right tackle. I mean, look, he'd go through struggles if he had to play next year, and he's starting right away, but he could. And also, you know, Ronnie Stanley's obviously gone through injury so you've got to get a young offensive tackle that you have faith in to man at least one of those spots over the next two three four years so that to me is Guyton um bumps up the overall athleticism of the team. I think as a whole, uh, he's one of the most athletic offensive tackles in this class. Got to improve,

got to get better, got to be more consistent. There's no doubt about it, but I just think this is, this is too good of a spot for him. So Guyton 30 to the, to the Ravens. Yeah.

I'm not a Guyton guy, but Baltimore is the team that would make me look like an idiot for having a second round grade on them. Right. So, Oh dude, you have a second round grade on Guyton is that's not crazy. No,

not at all whatsoever, especially because like you have to take him as what he is. Right. He's a one-year starter with a ton of inconsistencies and a lot of like not good fundamentals. And you can say to yourself, Hey, just draft me the athlete and the offensive line coach will figure it out.

But as like outside of a team draft analyst, you got to be real with what's on the tape, what he's got, what he is right now going into the NFL. So, Oh dude, you're yeah. You,

you saying that you have a second round grade on him. You definitely don't need to say like, Oh yeah, I'm not a guy for that. I think that you're, I think you're spot on with something like that yeah um all right this for the niners would be nate wiggins for me they actually have kind of taken those injury type dudes um they were the team that kept signing uh jason jason every year yeah um my boy yeah i i think i mean the upside of that secondary

and chivalrous ward can't be too young right was he 28 i mean he spent a year he was with dallas 28 in may nice guess okay nice yeah so i mean I'm a huge Ward fan, but yeah, I mean, Ambry Thomas, I like Diamador Lenore. He'll be coming up on a new contract soon. Yeah. Wiggins is so talented, dude. If the injury question wasn't there, he probably would be my number one corner, honestly.

There are so many times, I think, throughout this draft process where I've wanted to just have wiggins as cb1 because i i i would come back to like okay the point of playing corner is to cover the other guy like he he can cover wide receivers better than basically every corner in this class i don't know i'd probably argue that quinn yawn's better at this point but it's kind of a different style right because wiggins will be a little bit more in your face i just he's so light he's so like he's he's first percentile weight for the nfl level even i'd so much rather he even if he's healthy how physical can he be and like run support and stuff like that so that's why i like him though because i do think he's physical

it's just his body lets him down at the point of contact. To be fair, Nate Wiggins, he won't turn 21 until the end of his first training camp. He's really young. He's one of the youngest players in the draft. So I hope that he could add the mass. He reminds me of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. DRC was 184 at the Combine

so still 10 pounds heavier than Wiggins. 10 pounds heavier! Crazy. Crazy. And back then when you saw a corner at 184 at the combine. So still 10 pounds heavier than Wiggins. 10 pounds heavier. Crazy. Crazy. And back then when you saw a corner at 184, everyone was probably like, Whoa, Whoa.

Yeah. Like now in this day, it's like, eh, whatever. All right. Okay. Uh,

Nate Wiggins. I honestly, him at 31 though is steel. Connor, you're up with the chiefs at 32. Yeah. I'm going to take Troy Franklin here. Um,

not really surprised where i have him franklin great field stretcher i love his first step this is the classic oh he went to my homes and the chiefs he's gonna be really good so i'm i'm a big fan of franklin another guy though right piggybacking off the wiggins conversation that needs to maintain uh better weight and muscle mass and be ready for that at the nfl level just so he's not getting bounced around throughout the routes. These guys don't get hit anymore in the middle of the field. Like the argument used to be like, oh,

he's small. He's going to get clobbered by safeties. You get flagged for that now. So it almost doesn't really matter that much for receivers. It matters how physical you are through the routes and off the line of scrimmage. So that's something I hope Franklin can deal with. Yeah.

All right. We're that's the first round. I just scrolled all the way past the first round so you guys can go back and look at it and see that recap there we told you the beginning of the podcast we give you a little bit of a treat carolina panthers you're on the clock at 33 this would be i i technically have the pick but i want to hear from you two as well this would be lad mcconkie for me it would be pierce all or polk for me but i get it okay all right yeah marcus thoughts so before the dionte johnson trade i had lad here all day but my pro comp for lad is dionte johnson

so um i think with feeling and lat and dionte there i think you're good with that quick separator and you're underneath guy i want someone that's's going to get Bryce looking down the field. Keon? No. My guy's Leggett here. Low moving costs. Very low moving costs. I think between Leggett and Mingo,

you're rolling the dice that one of those guys can figure out the vertical. Watching the Panthers last year, there's obviously so much stuff broken, but it reached a point where Bryce just wasn't even looking down the field um because he just had lost all trust that those guys were ever getting open i think dj charke was like he was their deep ball guy and he was like 112th and like average urge of separation or something brutal yeah um so for me it's like you've addressed a line you've got your short to intermediate guys taken care of. Let's get, let's stretch the field a little bit and really get Bryce, like feeling like he's back at Alabama a little bit.

Yeah. No, I don't hate that thought process for me. It just comes down to, I can't let Adam Thielen or Deontay Johnson get in the way of me picking the guy that I just think is the best receiver. Like the talent level is so low, in my opinion, what the production was last year. But again, to Marcus's point, if you have faith in those guys,

Leggett rounds out the room. I mean, you're totally right. So I could definitely see that. I also forgot Worthy is still there too. He would also be in play there too. He would, he would also, he is in play for me. He is.

That's true. Cleveland at 54. Any, any ideas for the Cleveland Browns for you guys? Obviously like I, I can't sim the draft from this point, um, getting all the way to the Browns,

but, um, any initial thoughts, Marcus, like anytime you've ever been picking for Cleveland in the middle of the second round, um, like developmental O-line has been, okay been a direction I've gone with them.

Someone like Sua Matea. Nice. You know who I really like in this draft that I just haven't heard people talking about is the other Notre Dame offensive lineman. Oh, Blake Fisher. Blake Fisher, yeah. Blake Fisher. He's a nice one.

I have the same grade on Fisher as I do on Tyler Guyton as a second round guy. I like Fisher. He would be an option. He's like second or third for me. Yeah. So, yeah, like Fisher or Sumatea would probably be in play for me. Or, hell, if you could, another guy would be Christian Haynes,

who I really like out of UConn. Yeah. Best wide zone move blocker in the draft, but they're kind of good at guard right now. Yeah, that's true. He's just a good offensive lineman, though. Connor, any thoughts for the Browns at 54? Kind of intrigued by one of Junior Coulson or Edgerin Cooper.

Yeah, I was going to throw them out as well. Add some speed to that front seven. Devin Bush right now might be playing for them. I'd like to upgrade that spot. So, yeah, the two off-ball linebackers, I think they're both really, really talented. I think the position's just not valued like that anymore unless you're an absolute freak.

And they're both really good players. They're not that round one freakish kind of guys. So yeah, that's what I had my eye on. Yeah, I would still throw out Tez Walker as well at this spot. Even if he's just a vertical guy, then you have Amari Cooper. You got Tez Walker. I think Elijah Moore is in the last year of his contract. You got Jerry Judy.

But again, I think be could take what elijah moore is doing in a slot and do it better with with more athleticism so um and then you have charles tillman or cedric tillman so i want to see what he does in year two yes yes yeah charles tillman not playing wide receiver for the uh cedric peanut tillman i wish he was wall not. Walnut Tillman. Cedric Crackerjack. My uncle painted his house. What?

And you waited until now to tell us? He said he was one of the nicest people he's ever met. That's awesome. Wow, that's good. Actually, man, you love that. You love a heartwarming story. And I think he's getting into politics now in Chicago or something. He is. He's been productive with his life no he is he's yes i know he's had a crazy uh

post-football career like an impressive post-football career yeah all right there we go that is the first round plus the carolina panthers and the cleveland browns for all you guys out there because we love you let us know what you thought of the mock draft i'm not going to recap all the picks i'm scrolling them right now so if you're on youtube you. Let us know what you thought of the mock draft. I'm not going to recap all the picks. I'm scrolling them right now. So if you're on YouTube, you can see them. If you're audio only, just come over to the YouTube channel, make an account, subscribe to the YouTube channel.

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but also like Marcus has a very in-depth preview of these teams when it comes to like summertime and going into the year and what they're going to be like. And he's got the power rankings. And I've been over on that channel before doing the Buccaneers episode with him. And it's been a ton of fun just because how knowledgeable he is with all of these teams in the league. It's extremely impressive. And I'm always trying to make sure I'm, I'm taking in as much content as he possibly can there from him. Uh, it is, it is still that franchise guy,

right? That is, that is what the YouTube channel is. Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate the high praise. I'm, I'm such a professional that, uh, I didn't show up for my interview with Connor last year for the Jets. We have a little timing, i didn't show up for my interview with connor last year for the jets we have a little timing snafu time zones are hard you know time zone times they're hard you know it's okay yeah but please go check out marcus and everything he's doing marcus you you do you have a podcast like that's that's separate from the youtube channel i do it's called the fully inflated football podcast which is definitely a dig at tom brady um but it's it's kind of on and off depending on when i'm able to do episodes because most of my stuff's on youtube but there you go the one man show over here i don't have the power of pff behind me we're a multi-man operation but as you can see like uh

professionalism probably not the word that we would use here. Still too idiots. Marcus, thank you so much, man. This is so much fun. Honestly, I talked about how big of a fan I am of your work and it's so cool this time of year, just getting to see you at the Senior Bowl, see you at the Combine when we can. I know we didn't this year,

but just like any events where we can catch up, I feel like this time of year is perfect. And us getting together to link up for this mock draft here, it was a ton of fun. I appreciate you coming on the channel, man. Thank you so much for having me. It was a blast. Connor, any words before we get out of here? Huge thanks to Marcus. A very efficient, fun mock draft today. Trevor, I think we are going to have some day three gems coming up later in the week?

Yes. We have decided that the midweek episode this week is going to be day three gems. We've done so many mock draft episodes. Y'all know about the guys that we talk about in the top 40. And we've seen so many tweets and comments of people like, hey, what do you think of this player? And we realize that it's not a top 100 guy, but you still want to hear what our takes are for this.

So we're dedicating the whole episode to it. We're going to do day three gems, guys that we think are going to be picked outside of the top 100. Connor and I will give you, well, I don't know because we haven't planned it yet. Numerous amount of guys for day three that you can keep an eye on that you can maybe hope that your NFL team drafts. Until then, I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers for Marcus Whitman as well. Thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. See you later this week. Thank you.