NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 252. Final Top 200 Big Board for 2024 NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their Top 200 big boards for the 2024 NFL Draft

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. In this episode, it's the big board finale. Connor and I are giving you both of our top 200 big boards for the 2024 NFL Draft. Yes, we are naming all 200 players. 400, I guess, if you want the duplicates,

because it's 200 and 200, but we're packing a lot in here. We've never done top 200s here on this show before, but we're going to tell you all the players that why we have them ranked in certain spots, which ones we wish we had a little bit higher, why we're a little bit lower on some of these players, a lot of nuance for the players outside of the names that we've heard so much throughout draft season. So this one's definitely in the weeds. It's for the depth. It's for all of those team building core players that you see in a top 200 of an NFL draft. I'm Trevor Sigma with me as always is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers joining you guys on Draft Week, baby. It is Draft Week for the 2024 NFL Draft.

If you've been listening to the show since the very first episode of Summer Scouting, we made it. We are here. It is draft week. I'm so excited for this. We have got some amazing shows for you guys. All the content that we're going to be possibly going to be able to produce for you, we're going to give you this week, starting with today's episode. And it is revealing both of our top 200 big boards for the 2024 NFL Draft. As you can see, Connor is donning his New York Rangers Jersey

who hold one win in the playoffs and I am not donning a Tampa Bay light New Jersey because they have not won yet in the playoffs and I have I I don't have the ability to do it no I'm just kidding I'm not a fake fan uh I'm actually just wearing a t-shirt and if you can see the boxes behind me it's because it's also moving week for me. You know, good job, Trev. I like the touch. We plan those things. So, yeah. But like you could have pushed the box like a half a foot and it's out of the shot. But I like that.

The thing is, I can't. You can't. Oh, never mind. The thing is, I can't. Never mind. Because I like it, though. It really has the feel. This show is always very in the moment.

It is. It probably doesn't. Like, if people want to watch this episode five months later, they're like, why is Connor hockey jersey on and Trevor's room looks like it's being packed up. But in the moment, yeah, we keep a revolving set around here.

I can't wait. This is the last episode that I am doing here in this room. So I'm going to be exchanging one plain white wall for another. You guys will see soon. We'll get to that at some point. Connor, how you doing, my friend?

Draft week. What's the spirits like? What's the sleep like? Obviously, you're riding high off the playoff win for the Rangers, but how do we feel? A couple days until the draft kicks off. How are we doing, my friend? Shockingly well.

I have been up every night just hammering away at this final big board, this top 300, and I'm done as we sit here. I finished literally this morning the final five spots I had left on this thing. Who was the last guy you watched? The last guy I watched was actually Austin McNamara, the punter from Texas. Let's go, baby. Let's go.

And he wasn't last on the top 300. He was second to last. Oh. To be fair, I don't value specialists, probably like a lot of other people. Hold on. I just thought of this. When you think about it,

the last pick of the draft isn't really Mr. Irrelevant, right? I was just thinking about who has laughed on your big board. Because Mr. Irrelevant, you get a jersey. You are known. You get a title. The actual Mr. Irrelevant is actually the person who is picked before the final pick of the draft. It's a great take. It's a great take.

Doesn't Mr. Irrelevant get things now, too? Do they get a car? It feels like they should get a car. Yeah, you get a bugatti that would be no you should honestly get a honda civic or a prius like something like really reliable and like friend like environment friendly this is true this is true you don't you don't get you don't get a ferrari that doesn't make sense and it can't it can't be a new one either. It's got to be a used Honda Civic. Right. I like that a lot. Used Prius. It has to have at least 175,000 miles on it, but it works. It's a car.

But it does work. Getting a car, like your first car. I won't take us too off the rails here, and this probably isn't their first car because they're probably like 24 years old. The Mr. Irrelevant giraffe pick, I would think. Hopefully. So it might not hit the same. It's not like when you're 16 or 17 and you're like wow i can go wherever i want yeah yeah uh nissan ultima for me was the first car i had a very small pickup truck it was a gmc i don't even know what it was it It was small and old and it worked. So it was awesome. That's all that mattered.

Small. Yeah. And I could just throw all my shit in the back of it. So I loved it. I absolutely loved it. Small, old, worked.

Could have been the Jason Kelsey story, you know, could have been, it could have been, it could have been the Jason Kelsey of, of trucks though, you know, because that was just as reliable as Kelsey story, you know, could have been, it could have been, it could have been the Jason Kelsey of, of trucks though, you know, because that was just as reliable as it came,

you know, think about this NFL, Mr. Irrelevant gets a, gets a car. All right. How do we, how do we want to do this?

Top 200. I think the best way to do it for the people out there is let's go 200 to 151. I know it's a lot of names. Just listen to them off. You don't like a lot of names. Just listen them off. Don't say anything about any of the players. Just list them off from 200 all the way to 151. So people who are audio only can maybe recognize a couple of names. And then I'll go through.

You can go through, point out some players who, I think the best way to do it is probably say, hey, when you look at their name and their number, you go, man, I like him better than that. I like him better than what the number says next to him. And that can kind of be the way that we start this conversation. I feel like that's a good way to go over some of these. So you want to start first?

You want me to go first? I will. Before I do, let's actually promote ourselves a little bit here. By the time you're listening to this, if you want to follow along and you want to see it bigger than the top 200, go to pff.com and pull up Trevor's big board. For me, by the time you're listening to this, go to NBC sports.com and pull up my big board. It'll probably be a little easier for you to follow along. And even if you don't, if you just have time later on and you want to see the players that because you're like in the comments, what about, you know, Austin McNamara?

And you're just like, he's in there. Like, it's just not in the top 200 so yes all right with that being said good call that was a good call by you all right 200 dominique hampton safety from washington 199 you know what's funny no way no no he's he's 204 for me it's dangerously close so that's dangerously close that's amazing dangerously close uh 199 Javion Cohen from Miami he's a summer scouting legend by the way guard I should say 198 Joe Milton quarterback Tennessee 197 Taj Washington wide receiver USC 196 Gabe Hall defensive tackle from Baylor 195 Christian Boyd defensive tackle from Baylor. 195, Christian Boyd, defensive tackle from Northern Iowa. 194, Kingsley, Mr. Florida.

Is it Egokwan? Yes, Egokwan. Nailed it. Center from Florida. Man, some of these names back here are tough. 193, Edifon Olifosio. Olifosio? Yeah, Olifosio, I believe.

Olifosio, linebacker from Washington. 192, Dwight McClother. Where is it, Ol Fosio. Yeah. Ola Fosio. I believe Ola Fosio linebacker from Washington. 192 Dwight McClother. Where is it? Ola Fosio. Yeah. That is that that rolls off the tongue a little bit better. Ola Fosio. Yeah, that's pretty nice.

Well, I'll revisit that. I will. I will make sure I have that up. I'm reading off my list that does not have pronunciations next to them. So I apologize. Dwight McClother, cornerback from Arkansas. Okay. Josh Newton, summer scouting legend.

Let's go, baby. Cornerback from TCU, 191. Okay. 190, Eric Watts, edge rusher from UConn. 189, Jaheim Bell, three-time summer scouting legend. Tight end from Florida State. 188, Jaquan Jackson, wide receiver from Tulane. 187, Jalen Carley's safety from Missouri, but I'm evaluating him as a linebacker. 186,

Cornelius Johnson, a wide receiver from Michigan. 185, Yabi Okianoma, edge rusher from Charlotte. Nice. 184, Leonard Taylor, defensive tackle from Miami. 183, Nelson Caesar, edge rusher from Houston. 182, Kalen King, cornerback from Penn State. 181, Leighton Robinson, guard from Texas A&M. 180, Rasheed Ali, running back from Marshall. 179, Bo Braid, safety out of Maryland. 178, Marcus Harris, defensive tackle from Auburn. 177, Bucky Irving, running back from Oregon.

I told you he was draftable. I held up my promise. Gut punch. 176 Jordan Travis quarterback from Florida State. 175 Jaden Crumety defensive tackle from Mississippi State. 174 Shau Smith Wade. I think he's a slot corner from Washington State. 173, Walter Roos, offensive tackle from Oklahoma.

He played left tackle for them. 172 from the CFL, Quantez Stiggers. Dude, I didn't get to watch. So, you know what sucks? I didn't get to put him on the PFF board. You still have time. What? You still have time.

No, I know I do, and I want to watch him, but I had to get through with filling out the pff board you still have time what you still have time no i know i do and like i want to watch him but i had to get through with like filling out the pff board and i can't put him on the website oh there's a software issue yes so like i can't i couldn't put him in rankings i couldn't put him on the big board i couldn't i couldn't do it it's got to be figured out for sure. I mean, yeah, this is a weird one where Quantez played for the Toronto Argonauts. He was the most outstanding rookie in the CFL. He did not play college football where he has to go through the draft process. And he is very interesting. Yeah. Very interesting player.

171, Justin Eboigbe? Yeah, from Alabama. Defensive tackle. 170, Isaiah Davis, running back from South Dakota State. 169, Johnny Wilson, wide receiver from Florida State. 168, Jacob Cowling, wide receiver from Arizona. 167, Trevin Wallace, linebacker from Kentucky. 166, Jalen Harrell, edge rusher from Michigan. 165, Curtis Jacobs, linebacker from kentucky 166 jalen harrell edge rusher from michigan 165

curtis jacobs linebacker from penn state 164 luke mccaffrey wide receiver out of rice 163 jalen simpson the safety corner from auburn 162 mason mccormick interior offensive lineman from South Dakota State. Oh, man. 161, Malik Mustafa, safety out of Wake Forest. 160, A.J. Barner, the tight end out of Michigan. 159, Cedric Johnson, edge rusher from Ole Miss. 158, Keaton Oladapo, the safety out of Oregon State. 157, Xavier Thomas, edge rusher from Clemson.

156, Namaya Pritchett, cornerback from Auburn. 155, Sione Vaki, safety out of Utah. 154, Jalen McMillan, wide receiver out of Washington. 153, Kalen Bullock, the ball hawking safety out of USC. 152, Christian Jones, offensive tackle out of Texas. Longtime starter at tackle for Texas. And finally, 151, Aeneas Smith, wide receiver out of Texas A&M. Man.

Okay, so I do want to kind of shout out like, okay, who do you kind of like wish you were higher on? I think just off the top, I am so much higher on these wide receivers on my big board than you're going to be like, where was Johnny Wilson for you? I knew that would be one. We differ on significantly. I had him at one 69.

Okay. I have Johnny Wilson at 80th overall. Wow. Okay. That's almost a hundred spots. I know. And I also have Blake there, Bucky Irving,

like a hundred spots ahead of you. And I also have Blake or Bucky Irving like 100 spots ahead of you. Like I have him. Where is he? Bucky Irving is 79th. So it's almost 100 spots above you. Jalen McMillan was another one that I was shocked that you were as low on him. I've got him 85th on my big board. Wow.

Okay. Yeah. We're going to have some big differences and I would imagine I'm going to have, it's not that I'm lower on the class. I think I just have different guys higher because I do have a lot of wide receivers up there. Right. I just,

I have a ton of wide receivers pretty high on my board. Like you, you, you mentioned an IS Smith. Um, I don't have, I don't think I have an ice in my top 100, but I think he's just outside of it. Where is Aniyah? He's 118.

So I guess, okay, he's not like that. No, that's pretty close. Where do you have Jamari Thrash? Where do I have Thrash? Great question. Great question. Search function. Probably should be using that oh i typed in

trash that's he's definitely not that he is not that uh 112 okay i have him 93rd i thought i was going to be way higher on him than a lot of people okay all right all right all right all right so okay let's uh those are those are a couple of things that stood out well i would say the player that we might have the biggest difference on in this in well it's probably gonna be bucky irving yeah i was gonna say bucky irving it's got to be bucky irving but um xavier thomas as well yes i knew that from the edge class uh episode we did where was i had xavier thomas 83rd so that's a pretty, okay. That's going to be, that's going to be pretty different than yours, but talk to me about the guys that you had in the,

in that range, the 200 to 151, who, when you look at their number next to him, you just go like, man, for whatever reason, I just wish you were higher on this board.

Without a doubt. It starts with Rasheen Ali, the running back out of Marshall. Okay. Like I haven't met 180. If he gets back to the player he was in 2021, was it? And I'll pull up his numbers here because he got hurt in 2022. I think Ali's a really good player, like a really good player.

Yeah, 2021, he had over 1400 yards and he got hurt and missed most of 2022. And he was good this year. I didn't think he was the same guy as missed most of 2022 and he was good this year i didn't think he was the same guy as 2021 but i thought he was good i really like him i think and it's also the running back aspect of it he's one for me for sure is he in your top 200 he is but barely i think he's like 199 okay they're just and i it's funny because at the senior bowl i liked him a decent amount like it's really hard to stand out as a running back yeah at an all-star event and i think that he had some of the best runs in practices i gotta give him credit for it but when i watched his tape and when i looked at specifically a lot of his pff um metrics, he just does not do a lot beyond his offensive line.

Yeah, it's fair. The missed tackles force per attempt is 19th percentile over 2022 and 2023, kind of cumulative. So having both of those years. And the yards after contact was under three. So it's 2.91, which is 23rd percentile. So there was not a lot that i mean if i think he sees the line decently well i think he's got decent vision he just wasn't a big creator for me

outside of okay if he saw the hole and it was blocked up correctly he could get you the yards that you wanted designed behind the offensive line but it didn't seem super creative outside of that. I think that's really fair. Another guy that I know we're going to agree on in this spot, I have Taj Washington at... Yeah. Like, it's just, you know me by now. I have Taj at 197.

Yeah. He caught everything this year. He's really smart. He plays special teams. He's a slot only, and he's small. But he's really smart he plays special teams he's a slot only and he's small but he's a good he's a good player like he's a classic like this is the fifth wide receiver on my roster every year right and he's barely in my top 200 now a part of that is so many wide receivers in this class have more upside i just thought he was a really nice player that i was like man i like i wish i

could have had him higher but there's just so many wide receivers. I have him one 29 and it was kind of, yeah, it was just, you like the tape. He's a super smart player. I mean, I watched him at shrine bowl practices and just every day, man, I know a lot of people like to talk about Malik Washington when he was at shrine bowl practices, but Taj Washington was just as uncoverable. He was just as productive as Malik Washington when he was at Shrine Bowl practices, but Taj Washington was just as uncoverable. He was just as productive as Malik Washington was. The only thing is that he's tiny.

He's really tiny. And so even, I mean, his athletic scores that we have, and we've got some athletic numbers that we're just starting to roll out at PFF. And he graded really highly in in-game athleticism scores for us too. So he's small, but he's a good athlete. He's a really good athlete even for his size. So I had him at 129. He was the first one I wrote down where I was like, oh, wow, you're lower on him.

But I get it, right? He's outlier small. There's no doubt about it. You know me. I always make my bets on outliers and i really he's below 10th percentile in like every measurable every single measurable yeah yeah that was one i'll talk about one more player before i throw to you because i know it's gonna be a long exercise um i think i'm intrigued by a guy like jalen carley's playing actual linebacker.

I don't think I watched him. He's a gigantic safety. I had him on the list from summer scouting. It's funny. He's one of the first players I ever watched in this draft because I watched him for summer scouting, and he's one of the last players I ever watched for this draft, and I barely watched him in between. I watched him about a week ago,

and I watched him in June or July him about a week ago and i watched him in june or july and it was the same exact watch like gigantic safety that is playing safety in college but i think can really be an nfl linebacker with his speed so i'm i always like i always like kind of seeing where the conversion like this guy's 6-'3", 230, and he runs 4'5", flat. That's a linebacker. There are some funny giant safety slash linebackers, right? Oh, yeah. Tyler Owens from Texas Tech.

Who? James Williams from Miami. James Williams. He's like the prototype of it. Carlisle. I think Dominic Hampton as well from. He's like the prototype of it. Carlisle. I think Dominic Hampton as well from Washington is basically like the same thing. It's like, okay, you're just a linebacker. You're listed as a safety, I think, because they want you to roam around more than necessarily have a specific run fit.

But you're going to be a linebacker at the NFL level if you're going to make it. So I think there's a lot of those guys in this class. If that's your thing, you know. You're going to be a linebacker at the NFL level if you're going to make it. So I think there's, there's a lot of those guys in this class. There are, if that's your thing, you know, you're going to love it. Then you're going to love it. And you're going to love it.

Okay. Uh, anybody else you want to shout out from that group? It sounds like one guy that's going to go way higher than I have them. And I was like, he's fine on tape. I didn't think he had really good instincts. It was Trevin Wallace,

the linebacker out of Kentucky. I haven't met one 67. I like it. like i i don't know i don't really love this linebacker class in general there's some traits there but i wasn't like oh i'm gonna take him in the third or fourth round and he's gonna start for me soon so what how'd you see him uh i think i will get to him okay i think he's in this group nice for me um where was he yeah he's 168 for me whoa that's crazy item 167 wow wow you know sometimes our brains just turn into like iCloud and we should do the same thing we should do a podcast we should maybe we should actually try doing a podcast all right you're anyone to listen to it please go on um we can we can talk you know we'll talk about trevin walls now i i just saw an athlete right and a good athlete but here's here's the trouble with him for me he reacts basically the entire time he's on the field

there's no anticipation so you don't even, the athleticism that you see is like recovery speed or his ability to make up for not seeing something as fast as he needs to. And at the NFL level, surely athletes really helps to be a good athlete, but I need more than that from you. You know, so a lot of people like Trevin Wallace and the ceiling that he could be.

And I just think he's a long way away from the ceiling that people project him to have. He's too far out for that to me. He's too far out from that to me in order for me to be able to have him higher on this big board. All right. You want me to go through my two? Let's rock and roll through it. Yep. All right.

Dwight McClothern, the cornerback from Arkansas is a 200. Rasheen Ali, 199. Halfback from Marshall. Michael Barrett, the linebacker from Michigan, 198. 197. Justin Iboibi from Alabama, the edge rusher there. Jalen Harrell, the edge rusher from Michigan, 196. Logan Lee, the defensive lineman.

I don't know what you want to call him. Edge rusher, interior, defensive lineman, whatever. From Iowa, I like good football player. Back-to-back state wrestling champ, baby. I can't disrespect him. Keep him out of the top 200. JV Cohen, summer scouting legend. The guard from Miami, Florida, 194.

193, Beaubray, the safety from Maryland. 192, Johnny Dixon, the cornerback from Penn State. 191, Tyron Hopper, the linebacker from Missouri. 190, Isaac Urendo, the cornerback from Penn State. 191, Tyron Hopper, the linebacker from Missouri. 190, Isaac Guarendo, the halfback from Louisville. 189, Josh Newton, summer scouting legend, cornerback from TCU. Number 188, Darius Mouassou, the linebacker from UCLA. Then we'll stick with UCLA for 187, Grayson Murphy, the edge rusher there. 186, Tavian Robinson, the wide receiver from Kentucky.

185, Miles Cole, the edge rusher from Texas Tech. 184, Josh Proctor, the safety from Ohio State. 183, Kamani Vidal, the halfback from Troy. 182, we got a specialist, baby. Troy Taylor, the punter from Iowa. Absolute cannon coming in at 182. We got Specialist Baby. Troy Taylor, the punter from Iowa. Absolute cannon coming in at 182. 181, KT Leveson,

the offensive tackle from Kansas State. 180, Nehemiah Pritchett, the cornerback from Auburn. 179, Javon Foster, the offensive tackle from Missouri. 178, Steele Chambers, the linebacker from Ohio State. 177, Kaitlin King, corner from Penn State. 176, Cody Schrader, the halfback from Missouri, 178. Steele Chambers, the linebacker from Ohio State, 177. Kaitlin King, corner from Penn State, 176. Cody Schrader, the halfback from Missouri, 175.

J.D. Bertrand, the linebacker from Notre Dame, 174. Bo Lemmer, the safety from Arkansas, 173. Kamal Haddon, the cornerback from Tennessee, 172. Keaton Oladapo, the safety from Oregon State. Actually, he's one of those guys that I didn't even mention. It's like the safety linebacker type of guy. 171, Walter Rouse, the offense tackle from Oklahoma. 170, Anthony Gould, wide receiver from Oregon State.

169, Braden McGregor, edge rusher from Michigan. 168, Trevin Wallace, linebacker, Kentucky. 167, Jordan Travis, quarterback for Florida State. 166, DeCamarion Richardson, quarterback for Mississippi State. 166. Decameron Richardson, quarterback for Mississippi State. 165. Nelson Caesar, the edge rusher from Houston. 164. Javante Jean-Baptiste, the edge rusher from Notre Dame.

163. Zach Zinter, the offensive guard from Michigan. 162. Jordan Whittington, my boy. Wide receiver from Texas. 161. Marcus Rosamy, Jack Saint, the wide receiver from Georgia. 160.

Jalen Coker, the wide receiver from Holy Cross. 159. Jaden Sheeran, the wide receiver from Georgia, 160. Jalen Coker, the wide receiver from Holy Cross, 159. Jaden Sheeran, halfback from Monmouth. Whoa. Let's go, baby. Just as Dave Salfaro says, young man's got some skirt to him. Just absolutely skirt now, man. 158, Tyler Davis, the interior defensive lineman from Clemson, 157. The incredible Holker, Dalen Holker from Colorado State, 156, Cam Hart, the

quarterback from Notre Dame, 155, Jaheim Bell, tight end from Florida State, 154, Christian Jones, the offensive tackle from Texas, 153, DJ James, the corner from Auburn, 152, Jaquan Jackson, the wide receiver from Tulane, 151, Miles Harden, the cornerback from South Dakota State. Anything stand out to you? Yeah, I think we're way different on Zinter. That was like my version of what you went through.

I have Zinter at 72. Wow! I think he's awesome. Damn, I thought he was just fine. Like, he's a starting guard at the NFL level for me. And the class where outside of the top 60, I didn't think there was like, I really like Zinter a lot.

I don't, I don't, maybe I'm nuts for this. I like Trevor Keegan more than him. I like Trevor Keegan too. Yeah. So like I, I watched Trevor Keegan and zach zinter and i was like

i kind of like keegan more keegan though it's like there's so much of the the aesthetic that i like from zinter or keegan keegan dresses like it's 1995 and plays like it's 1995 good like the pad the oversized pads the way he's such a downhill blocker, they both are. I really like the Michigan guys a lot. No, I do too. And I guess, I don't know, maybe this ranking is a little harsh from them, but this was kind of my entire theme for the Michigan offensive line. They are really good as a group.

That's a good point. Keegan is, is the one who I would have taken individually, basically out of anybody. And the rest of them, I think are just okay. Like, I think there'll be NFL players.

I think there'll be backup guys for a long, long time, but even Zinter, like I watched Zinter and I just was not super impressed. A powerful dude. Like if you get them in a, an offense that primarily like man or gap scheme blocking if it's north to south stuff if it's duo like okay like you're you can get

something out of him but again i didn't think that he was super athletic i felt as though if you have zach's entry as your guard maybe you're okay with it but you're probably looking to upgrade it so where's the value for that for me it's probably a day three pick type of a dude so that's kind of how i came with him at uh at 163 anybody else i had a couple that i wish i was higher on but i'm trying to i'm trying to think where did you have leonard taylor or you didn't go through him yet no i didn't go through him yet okay he's he's very quickly uh after this oh you know what we should talk about you had mal Malik Mustafa in what, the 150s? Right.

I had Mustafa 161. I know. I think I've read people who have Mustafa like top 100, top 75. Where do you have him? So I didn't name him yet, but he is 148 for me. So we see him. I mean, at this point, like we see him exactly the same. It's like a 15 spot radius. Yes. I think it at this point, like we see him exactly the same. It's like a 15 spot

radius. Yes. I think it's two things, Trevor, and I want your thoughts. One, I definitely find this time of year when a position group is lacking to keep up with the other position groups. People do look for a guy and it's not that Mustafa is a bad player don't get me wrong two he is a really good straight line athlete but so many guys now throughout this don't do agilities and then when you go watch the tape you're like I could see why they didn't do the agilities I am with you 100% it's like become one of the biggest things in my process the last two years where I'm like holy shit nobody does the agilities let me go watch the tape and look for, and I'm like, might be kind of a reason why. It matters a lot.

That's how I, people, I think, watch the big hits. He's a big time enforcer. If you put him in a robber role or have that box safety role for him at the second level, he can come up and make tackles from depth i mean he can really put some power on you so i definitely see what he does well i just don't know how valuable that is because you you you're not going to want him to turn and run like even in too high safety systems like i just think that he's stiff he's he's just not as flexible when it comes to flipping the hips and really running in range exactly so and and also he's a hard-hitting tackler he also misses a decent amount yes he does so it's like yeah he'll give you the boom but he's not as consistent as you may like i think a lot of people would watch malik mustafa they go, okay, tackling, plus, plus, plus in his scouting report. It's like,

big hits? Sure. But tackling, kind of still hit and miss with him. And if that's your bread and butter, if that's who you're bringing to the table, I wanted him to be a little bit more consistent in that area. So, it was interesting to just hear you say Mustafa there, because I know a lot of people are

higher than him, higher on him than the two of us will be. So, um, some guys that I wish I had higher genuinely, um, KT Leviston, the offensive tackle for Kansas state. We talked about him on the gem show or the day three show. Um, he is somebody who I look at one 81 or, and I'm just like, man, he's better than this. And it just kind of, that's, that's one of those things that after I submitted the big board, you kind of go through it again and either have conversations or when I, when I submit my big board, that's when I give myself the full freedom to say like, okay,

let me go see what other people like have actually thought. And yeah, mine's already solidified. And I don't, I want everybody else to know this. Like I don't do that because I wish I was more like group think about it, but there's no doubt when you see somebody that you really respect and you get to read a scouting report for them, it might help you see something a little bit differently. Or in KT Levison's specific example, it wasn't that doing that pointed anything out new to him. I guess I just, I didn't value it as high.

Like I looked at this player and I was like, yeah, really solid football player. I bet he could play guard. I bet he could play tackle. And hearing myself say those things out loud of exactly what my scouting report reads of him probably should have been higher than 181. So that's one guy who I do like more than his number says right there. Bo Limmer, probably the same.

I think Bo Limmer could have probably been a little bit higher on my rankings. Not like by leaps and bounds, but I feel like he could have been a little bit higher. Those are the two that really stood out to me. I don't know if there's anybody else that would have been a leap. I wish I could have put Josh Newton a lot higher because I still really like Josh Newton. But I just was really, I don't know, maybe I was just really disappointed with what this past year was relative to what I saw from him in 2022. And I think Kalen King's the same way, right? I mentioned Kalen King.

He's in the one seventies for me. It just scares me. Like how big the drop-off was between these guys, because playing corner is so much. It's, it's so cyclical that you need to be able to bounce back. And, and I just felt like those guys did not have great years and really were not

able to bounce back as the year went on. And that, that worries me about him. Oh, Javon Foster. Last guy is the guy from the offensive tackle from Missouri. i wish that i probably could have got him a little bit higher on this list because i think he's a solid football player even if he's not a great athlete it's funny he's coming up real shortly for me and i went through the opposite with foster i'm like man i

always end up high on foster and i don't know if i should be but i just like the guy every time i watch him and we he was on summer scouting in 2022. It's like this has been a long road for Javon Foster. But I just think he could play like the way you said. He is. He's a good football player. He's a good football player. All right.

Should I rock and roll? You should. 150. Marist Leofau. Linebacker from Notre Dame. Nice. I really like him. Hebacker from Notre Dame. Nice. I really like him. He always wants to be around the football.

I'll start right there at 150. I wish I had him higher. I got him 138. And I had him 138 and kind of wish I had him higher. But it's more of just a... If you don't bring coverage aspects to the game, it's hard for me to bring you up as a linebacker, even for as physical as I think he plays the game.

149, Cedric Gray, linebacker from UNC. I have Cedric Gray 150. That's amazing. Let's go. 148, Caden Wallace, the right tackle from Penn State. We got to make a game out of this next year. Like a bingo kind of game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I like it. 147, Eric All, tight end out of this next year like a like a bingo kind of yeah yeah yeah yeah i like it 147 eric all tight end out of iowa 146 a guy you just had on yours isaac garendo running back from louisville 145 mac gonzalves the i'll say offensive line from pit i kept him at tackle in my evaluation i'm sure some people will maybe bring up guard i'm keeping him at tackle me too i yeah i don't know if he's got the size in his lower half i thought the same thing i'm like i don't really want him taking on bull rush for three techs and shade nose i'd rather just have him try to be a real technician at tackle and try to make it that way 144 javon foster tackle from missouri there he is 143 someone that really surprised me, Tommy Eichenberg,

the linebacker out of Ohio State. Yeah, we'll get there. 142, another guy, really good process, Jarvis Brownlee Jr., the corner from Louisville. 141, Jared Wiley, tight end from TCU. 140, Renardo Green, corner out of Florida State. People are very high on Renardo Green. Yeah, myself included. 40, Renardo green corner out of Florida state. People are very high on Renardo green. I, yeah,

I'm myself included. One 39, Tanner McLaughlin, the convert. Uh, he's a tight end now from Arizona. He did play wide receiver. One 38,

Nathan Thomas. This is a guy I'm converting to guard from tackle. He played left tackle for Louisiana Lafayette. He, um, he'll be a really good guard in my opinion with that transition. One 37, Tyler Davis, defensive tackle from Clemson. Okay. One 36, James Williams, he'll be a really good guard in my opinion with that transition. 137, Tyler Davis, defensive tackle from Clemson.

136, James Williams. He will convert from safety to linebacker out of Miami. 135, Kalen Carson, corner out of Wake Forest. 134, Trevor Keegan, the guard from Michigan. 133, Javon Solomon, pass rusher from Troy. 132, Tanner Bordellini, interior offensive lineman from Wisconsin. 131, Brendan Rice, the wide receiver out of USC. 130, Isaiah Adams. I think he'll be a guard at the next level out of Illinois. 129, Brennan Jackson, pass rusher from Washington State. 128, KT Leviston, left tackle that'll convert to guard from Kansas State. 127, Gabe Murphy, pass rusher from UCLA.

126, Brandon Coleman, offensive lineman out of TCU. 125, Satua Lamea from Utah, interior offensive lineman. He's played tackle too, but he should play interior. 124, Kyrie Jackson, gigantic corner out of Oregon. 123, Mason Smith, D- Smith D tackle from LSU was very popular first round pick in summer mock drafts 122 Will Shipley the running back out of Clemson 121 another corner from Florida State Jerry and Jones he helped put a slot 120 I just love this guy Trevor Miles Harden the corner out of South Dakota. I love Miles Harden.

I have him 150, but yeah, I mean, I'm right there. I can't get enough, dude. He's awesome. 119, Bo Limmer, interior offensive lineman out of Arkansas. 118, Tykee Smith. I look at him as a slot out of Georgia. Wait, what did you have him? Tykee Smith.

No, what number? 118. So do I. Nice. Right on the nose, baby nose you love when a plan comes together that's a beautiful thing that's amazing 117 jaylex hunt pass rusher out of houston christian what probably the most exciting developmental pass rusher in the draft oh i agree yeah like i just like a lot if i have a good d-line coach, I'm like, get Jalek's Hunt on here. We're going to teach him how to play.

This dude's an alien. 116, Elijah Jones, corner out of Boston College. 115, I have drastically changed my opinion of this guy since our running back show, Audrick Estime from Notre Dame. Where did you have him before? He wasn't in my top 10. I said he was 11th on that show. He's absolutely in my top 10 running backs. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, like I have him before he wasn't in my top 10 I said he was 11th on that show he's absolutely in my top 10 running backs oh okay well I mean like I have him 123 overall and I

didn't know if you like well I I should have I should have had him in my top 10 on that show and I regret not he ended up being my running back nine he's good he's just good he's good he's good he's yeah we'll get there people are kind of trying to make him something he's good he's just good he's good he's good he's yeah we'll get there people are kind of trying to make him something he's not but right you know he's good like he's too far the other way yeah yeah if one first is like oh audrey guesme is underrated it's like now i got audrey guesme 44 i have him above bijan robinson last year what are guys doing? I'd trade up to 28 for right. One of the Patriots have no choice but to take him at three. They can't trade the pick. No,

no. The Patriots pass up three ones from Denver. Marvin Harris. You're sitting in the green room. Just every camera in the place is staring at him. His dad's on the phone. He's on the phone. How on the phone how did this happen oh man that's good that's the good stuff 114 estimation like a top golf or something he didn't even think he's getting drafted and they're like

hey uh you know it's elliot wool from the new England Patriots. How you doing, Audrick? He's like, good. You ready to be a New England Patriot? And he's like, I thought day three was Saturday. Yeah. And they're like, no, he just took his third overall. He just faints. Good for him.

He deserves that. Good for Audrick. He really does. 114, Makai Wingo, defensive lineman from LSU. 113, Ray Davis, running back from kentucky nice 112 kamal haddon cornerback out of tennessee i am very high on haddon yeah and that's there's a lot of risk there he had his season uh cut short due to shoulder injury i really like the tape 111 another guy i'm very high on fabian levette the interior defensive lineman from florida state wow yeah i really like Lovett.

I think he's a little one-dimensional, but I know what he is. 110, Anthony Gould, wide receiver out of Oregon State. Very good return, man. 109, Theo Johnson, tight end out of Penn State. 108, DeCamarian Richardson, corner out of Mississippi State. Okay, nice. 107, Hunter Norzadad the center from penn state 106 dadrion taylor demerson ball hawking safety out of texas tech 105 christian mahogany guard out of boston college 104

duane carter interior defensive lineman out of duke 103 jordan mcgee linebacker out of temple 102 cam hart corner out of notre dame and 101, Cole Bishop, safety out of Utah. Okay. All right. Anybody on that list that you didn't highlight? I think we're the most different on Tanner McLaughlin and Fabian LeVette. I would have guessed that. I feel like I've been pretty high on both of those guys.

Let me see. Tanner is 232 for me. Wow. He's your new Cooper Beebe. And Lovett is, yeah, like in the 200s as well. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

I just, I did not see it with McLaughlin. I know a lot of other people do, and the tight end class is kind of like all over the place, but like when I watched it with him, I just, I really did not see a difference making player i just yeah i i like him i think he's got really good hands i like his straight line speed i mean you gotta have a you have to know how to use that type of tight end like you're not if you just sit him on the line of scrimmage like yeah you're gonna you're not gonna like him at the end he's sort of like uh

um he's basically a wide receiver to me which i think he played wide receiver right like he was a wide receiver before a tight end i think he's just a wide receiver and then at that case he it he's kind of like a oversized wide receiver who was the value right yeah yeah so that's why i i'm just a lot lower on him but if you're intrigued by the size i think you play a little bit of both like so, so play a tight end. And I suppose I get it. I think that was it. Anybody else that you would want to shout out? I know you kind of went through it at the time.

Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, I'm really excited about the top 100. I see a big. I really like Cam Hart and Jordan McGee. I had them back to back. Like, Cam's just a massive corner. Oh, wait.

I missed that. You got Jordan McGee right outside of the top 100, huh? 103. Cam's just a massive corner. Oh, wait. I missed that. You got Jordan McGee right outside of the top 100, huh? 103. Yeah. McGee's great. In a linebacker class that I, full transparency, don't like at all. When you read my big board, they're all just mashed from 200 to 250. Because I'm just like, ah, they're probably special teamers.

Right. McGee stood out to me as much more. I think he's really, really smart. Good player. Really, really smart guy. Yeah, we talked about him in depth on the last episode if you guys want to go back and listen to that. All right, you want to hear mine?

Yes, I do. Okay. 150, Cedric Gray, linebacker out of North Carolina. 149, a guy that I thought I'd be a lot higher on afterwards, but Gabriel Murphy, the edge rusher from UCLA. Yeah, I get it. 148, Malik Mustafa, the safety from Wake Forest. 147, Cornelius Johnson, the wide receiver from Michigan.

146, Luke McCaffrey, the wide receiver from Rice. 145, Will Shipley, the halfback from Clemson. 144, Isaiah Williams, the wide receiver from Illinois. Whoa, dude. Good football player. He's outside your top 200, right? He is. Let me find him real quick so we can cross compare.

Also, Shrine Bowl standout. 223. You watch his tape, man? This dude can separate, brother. I just don't know if he'll consistently get away from NFL corners. He's small, like really small, and he's not that fast. The long speed is definitely not there. I like the first 10 yards.

Yes, yes. I do agree with that. I'm out with him. I'm a sucker for guys that can separate really well, and I think he separates really well. Shaw Smith-Wade, the cornerback from Washington State, 143. 142, Caden Wallace, the offensive tackle from Pennhington state 143 142 caden wallace the offensive tackle from penn state 141 leonard taylor to third the defensive tackle from miami where did you have

leonard taylor i think i had him 184 uh where did you have mason smith uh really close to where we are right now i'm at 140 123 okay i'm 140 for mason smith if you draft mason smith like you better be ready to coach from square one basically square one yeah yeah but man there's a there's like a there's something really good deep inside of there still yeah but not i'm not taking him until day three he's gonna get drafted higher 140. I could see him going in the second round. I really can. Not in this class, man. In other classes?

No, no, no. I'm not pushing back on what you said. I get it. It seems nuts. I'm saying that out loud like it's criticism. In this class, there's too many good football players in this class. I know. We didn't get to the top 100.

It's like a switch goes on. It's going to be fun. Right. 140, Mason Smith, defensive tackle from LSU. 139, this one's going to be a pierced at heart. I'm sorry. Mo Kamara, the address from Colorado State. How dare you?

We'll just move on from that one as quickly as possible. 138, Marius Leofo, linebacker from Notre Dame. 137, Isaiah Adams, the offensive tackle from Illinois. 136, Dwayne Carter, the defensive tackle from Duke. 135, Theo Johnson, the tight end for Penn State. 134, Jarvis Brownlee Jr., the corner from Louisville. 133, your boy, Jordan McGee,

the linebacker from Temple. 132, Cole Bishop, safety from Utah. 131, Makai Wingo, the defensive tackle from LSU. 130, have you, safety from Utah. 131, Makai Wingo, the defensive tackle from LSU. 130. I can't remember if you named this guy yet. Chris Abrams-Drain. I love Chris Abrams-Drain. Okay, so he's higher for you.

Yes, much higher. Okay, I was hoping he was in the 100 section instead of the beyond 200. I'm a huge fan. Huge fan. 129, Taj Washington from USC, the beyond 200. I've been like, you're nuts. Huge fan. 129, Taj Washington from USC, the wide receiver. 128, Tanner Bortolini, the safety, or sorry. He probably could do it. He could do it. He's from Wisconsin. Oh, this is a player that you sort of had a reaction to that I'll let you talk about right here. 127, I got Tommy Eichenberger, the linebacker from Ohio State. Nice. where did you

have didn't you say you liked him a lot i liked him like i was shot item 143 oh okay are you shocked that you were that high on him or that low when we watched him over summer i thought he was really smart and i thought he was a good tackler and i was just like he's not explosive he doesn't have any length he doesn't have a lot of range nope and then you just watch him play and it matters like that stuff matters in football but he's gonna survive at the nfl level like he's he's smart enough that he's always one step ahead i wrote this exact line He plugs gaps against the run like a beach umbrella through sand. Like it's just every time, every time he reads his keys

and plugs a gap. And he has experience on punt and kick coverage teams. No, he'll be in the league for a long time. I was pleasantly surprised. 126, Trevor Keegan, the guard from Michigan.

125, Brendan Rice, the wide receiver from USC. 124, Sion Vaki, the safety from Utah. 123, Audra Gassame, the halfback from Notre Dame. Oh, man. You dropped him from a helicopter. You know what? I get it. You know what? I get it. You know what? The more, the more I watched, the more I felt like the question marks with him and his conditioning and how effective he's actually going to be.

It just became bigger question marks than answers. Like I think everybody, John Layard and Ollie Conley were talking about this a little bit on their Audible Analytics podcast, which is a phenomenal podcast. You guys should go listen to it. They were talking a little bit about Devondre Sweat, and I agree with them. It's like, we look at Sweat, and we see the size, and we see the quickness

off the line of scrimmage, and we just go, this guy's like a centerpiece for defenses. He will literally make the entire defense a lot better. Yeah. There's only one Vita Veeya. I just want everybody else out there to know that. Vita Veya is extremely rare. And the way that people talk about Tavondre Sweat, they talk about him as if he is Vita Veya. And he's not. He's not as quick.

He's not as conditioned. I mean, Vita is a true rare giant athlete. And even Vita Vea, now that he's sort of retooled his body at the NFL level. I mean, he's, I don't know, 340, 350. Tavondre sweats like 380, man. And it's without some of the off the field stuff that now we're learning. That matters, dude. Which absolutely matters. So now I have somebody with some off the field concerns and somebody who is basically just going to be a like a quick

like almost like a like a like a one gapping 370 pounder and i don't know how much i'm going to be able to get him on the field and even when field. And even when he's on the field, the NFL game is too smart and too fast at the offensive level, specifically to where you could just run away from him. You don't have to run right at him. I know. It's not 2003. It's not like the ball runs through him in the middle.

You just run outside zone. You just pitch the ball. You completely neutralize when he's on the field. So I don't know. I maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but anyways, uh, one 22, when you kind of wrap all that up early day three pick for me, uh, one 21 Braylon Allen, the halfback from Wisconsin, one 20, uh, Matt Gonzalez, the offensive tackle from Pittsburgh, one 19 and I Smith, wide receiver, Texas A&M one 18. As you guys know already, Tykee Smith, the corner slash safety from Georgia. 117, Jacob Cowling, the wide receiver from Arizona.

116, Isaiah Davis, the halfback from South Dakota State. 115, Brendan Jackson, the edge rusher from Washington State. 114, this is a guy that I've just become a major fan of over the last, I would say, month. Blake Watson, the halfback. I'm going to call him offensive weapon from Memphis because I think he can do it all as a former wide receiver. 1-13, Jerrion Jones, the cornerback for Florida State.

1-12, Jamari Thrash, wide receiver from Louisville. 1-11, Hunter Norzad, the center from Penn State. 1-10, Kalen Carson, the cornerback from Wake. 1-09, Cam Kinchens, the safety from Miami. 1-08, Jared Wiley, the cornerback from Wake. 109, Cam Kinchens, the safety from Miami. 108, Jared Wiley, the tight end from TCU. 107, Michael Hall Jr., the defensive tackle from Ohio State. 106, Christian Mahogany, the guard from Boston College.

105, Ben Sennett, the tight end from Kansas State. 104, Dominic Pooney, the tackle from Kansas. 103, Cade Stover, PFF's number one fan, the tight end from Ohio State. 102, your boy, Tyrone Tracy, the halfback from Purdue, also just offensive weapon. And then 101, Patrick Paul,

the offensive tackle from Houston. Any standout for you? No, I think you like Wiley more than I expected. I do like Wiley, man. Yeah, he's easy to like. Where do you, did you have him? Did you name him? Yeah, Wiley for me was in that range we just went through, 141.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good length, has the chance to fill out as a true Y, was dealing with some injury stuff that he's through now, which he'll get stronger because of it over six foot six. He's 250, 50 pounds played quarterback in high school, played quarterback in tight end in high school.

He's just, I think he's really smart. I think he's a really good athlete. He's a functional athlete. He can run the same. I wish he was a little bit more on fire for blocking. But he just. He doesn't do much after the catch.

But I think he can, man. I mean, I'm hoping. You know? I think he's that good of an athlete. Well, that athleticism, I was like, oh, this guy should be a monster. I know, because his first step explosion is great. Yeah. So when he like turns with the football, becomes a ball carrier, man.

I do like Wiley. Great. Yeah. So when he like turns with the football, becomes a ball carrier, man, I, I do like Wiley. I obviously as a fringe top 100 guy, I'm a, I'm a big fan of his, some players who I had some tough debates with all jokes aside, like Mo Kamara is one of them because I think he's a great player. I think he works his tail off.

He's going to give you everything he's got every single snap. I just worry about just the overall length. Like how effective is he going to be at the NFL level? I just, I don't know. Cause I even saw at the Shrine Bowl, the offensive tackles that were there were, Mo Kamara got his good reps. I'm not saying they didn't exist.

He was able to, he was able to get the better of them, but you could definitely tell when Kamara's pass rush plan did not work immediately there's not a lot of things that he could do to counter these guys he just does not have the length to do it he's got the effort to do it but the length is just something that was tough for me to overcome i know a lot of people like theo johnson the tight end for penn state i kind of just saw him as a linear athlete, and he's a good one, but I feel like he's just a seam ball type of a tight end. So if you want your tight ends to run shorter, shallower routes

or all these hook curls and things like that, I just don't think he's that type of a tight end. If you're running a vertical passing offense, Theo Johnson could really work for you. But I think he's really streamlined in his skill set. I think people look at the athleticism, like the explosiveness, and they just, they umbrella it into saying, what a great athlete. And I think he's a great straight line athlete. But if you ask him to really be fluid with various routes and tempo the routes and things like that, I just, I did not see that stuff from him.

So I thought he was limited, although the explosiveness is nice. I thought he was a little limited in that regard, but yeah, I think that's about it for me. I'm sure people will have all sorts of questions about the guys who are in our 200 to 100, but yeah, there we go. 100 to 76. Yeah, there we go. 100 to 76? Yes. Before we do that, can I talk to the good people

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I wish, I wish I could have brought him that low, but I can't do it. Can't do it. Andrew Phillips, cornerback out of kentucky at 98 okay michael pratt quarterback out of two lane 97 oh wait we got another bingo folks 97.97 you love to see that especially for a quarterback that's like a non-day like a late day two quarterback. Wow. 96, Cam Kinchin's the guy you just had. Safety out of Miami.

95, Kieran Amagaji, the tackle out of Yale. All right. 94, Ben Sinnott, tight end out of Kansas State. Okay. 93, Jamari Thrash, wide receiver out of Louisville. 92, Cade Stover, tight end out of Ohio State. 91, Roger Rosengarten, the tackle out of Washington. 90, Marshawn Lloyd, running back out of USC. 89, DJ James, corner out of Auburn.

88, Jaden Hicks, safety out of Washington State. 87, Chris Abrams-Durain, inside-outside corner from Missouri. 86, Cedric Van Praan, center from Georgia. 85, Spencer Rattler, quarterback out of South Carolina. 84, Austin Booker, the edge rusher from Kansas. 83, Blake Corum, running back out of Michigan. 82, Braylon Allen, running back out of Wisconsin. 81, Jeremiah Trotter Jr., linebacker out of Clemson.

80, the big man, Tavondre Sweat, D-tackle out of Texas. 79, Mars big man to von joy sweat d tackle out of texas 79 marshall nealon edge rusher from western michigan 78 javon baker wide receiver from ucf wait what number 78 that's three baby oh my god we're cooking that's three baby we're cooking it we might get to five with the upcoming ones no idea we'd have this many outside of the top 50. What a joyous episode this is. It's crazy. 77, Javon Bullard, safety out of Georgia. 76, Blake Fisher,

the right tackle out of Notre Dame. Alright. Okay. Anything weird there for you? No, not really. The only one that I'm way different than you on is DJ James.ames like i had dj james at 153 okay um and you had him obviously a lot higher i think he's a great playmaker i just think he's so small he this is the problem just so small this is kind of the problem for i want to see what he

weighed in at the combine. Yeah. One 75. Yeah. He's small. Second percentile. Yeah. No, he's got to gain weight. And there's a lot of guys like this. He's the one I put in the top 100.

Cause I like the tape the best. I do too. I thought you're out of him. You're right. And Jalen Simpson. I like DJ James the best. Isn't it weird how all three of them, it's like they're all skinny.

I know, I know. So I was recently on Arif Hassan's podcast and Arif does the consensus board for a lot of the media people. And he went through a fun exercise where I gave him my big board beforehand. And for the second half of the podcast, he just went through and he's like,

okay, you are the lowest amongst your peers on like this player. And he's like, tell me who it is. And we kind of like guessed through it. I was, I don't know if I was the lowest or if I was second lowest on Jalen Simpson. I have Jalen Simpson outside of my top 200. And it's just because he wasn't athletic to hang an outside corner. And he's, he's so skinny. I cannot think that he's gonna be a difference

maker at safety at the nfl level he can't tackle it he cannot tackle right and so what am i supposed to do with that player he's gotta be a third safety in a coverage only role like if you're yeah that's i mean i have him 163 so i'd imagine i'm not too high on him compared to consensus right like what was the consensus you remember um is he like going in like the top like everyone's top 150 i think it was around 150 if i remember correctly okay so it was like kind of close but i just i the only reason i bring that up is because it is it was like an auburn thing it was like that trio of dbs it's like okay i like you all but, but you guys are just small. They are.

I thought, yeah, you're right, though. James, he just has good coverage skills. He really does. He is fluid, man. He can really flip the hips and move. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, really twitchy. He has a lot of experience in press.

He needs to gain some weight, man. He does get out-muscled at times. He does are you are higher on braille now than i am you're about 40 spots higher i just i think it's just how we see this running what about trotter uh where did you have him we never told i don't feel like we don't talk about him too much 81st i had 96 okay um you were low um you had Okay. You had Neyland where? 79th. I have him 63. He's just a one trick pony. Yeah, but.

Dude, I've seen him like top 50. Yeah, but like the agility scores. He is a, he is like a, just, he wants to run straight through your soul when he's launching off the edge. And I feel like he is a one-trick pony, but I think the motor runs really hot for him. He's super strong. He's got the extra weight.

The speed to power is really nice with him. And then the agility scores made me go, God, is there more in the tank? The RAS graphic was nice. Is there, is there more in the tank? The RAS graphic was nice. Is there more finesse game in the tank? And I kind of, I kind of hope there is. And so I'm,

I'm, I'm a little bit higher on him because of that. So where do you have Braylon Trice? Coming up real soon. Okay. Trice. Yeah. Real soon.

I have a 67th. So I like Trice because to me trice and neil and are kind of the same guy they're just trying to run straight through you it's just sort of a preference of which one you like better and trice's production last year and the year before when it came to total pressures i mean he's just running through people and he's making the quarterback move off their spot right i liked neil and's game more than i actually do braylon trace trace is 98 for me okay so shoot i mean i could just i could just start yeah go ahead we can see which ones that we kind of want to point out there a lot of them are similar though 100 cedric van prahn the center from georgia 99 uh roger rosengarten

the offense attacker for washington which by the the way, we can bring this up now. Mel Kuyper had him going 32 overall like a month ago. You didn't see this? No. Yeah, Kuyper had him to the Chiefs at like 32 overall like a month ago. Let me, okay, that's wild. And Mel is like early on some things. He is.

I'll be honest with you, and this is maybe because we live in an era where like, I'm sure a lot of us don't watch as much TV anymore. Like I don't sit down and turn ESPN on. Like when I sit down and turn TV on, I'm either watching live sports or I'm watching a show on a streaming platform. I see Mel stuff like way less compared to like, maybe like seven,

seven other draft analysts. i don't know what it is and i to full transparency too i don't have espn plus like where you read the articles and all that stuff right right so it's it's weird but i'm behind on mel almost the most out of all the big analysts yeah and i did not it's a long story short i didn't know that i think they do a lot of paywall stuff now, which I get it. I totally get it. Yeah, you got to pay the bills. Right.

But yeah, I saw Rosengarten as a- What do you think of that? What? It's a little rich for my blood. Oh, extremely. No, I think that Rosengarten is a really explosive, smooth- I think he's just a really good overall athlete is probably the way that I would say it.

I've said this to you before. There's a rep he has, and I can't remember who he's against now, where he recovers from a spin move that I don't think I've seen an offensive lineman in this class move like that. Yeah. I was like, how did his body do that?

It was wild. But I also don't think he's like a explode off the ball and detonate people guy at all. And you like a 32. You better. I don't know. Right. So so here's I'll just read strength and weaknesses for him really quick.

Lighter in weight, but he can really move it that way. Don't often get don't often get to use the word nimble with an offensive tackle. But that is truly how he moves. He's a high motor player. Looks like he plays with a chip on his shoulder and has a mean streak even without a lot of natural power, which is not very common that you see things like that. Weaknesses, struggles to generate difference making power at the point of attack, got into trouble when asked to block bigger defensive ends and defensive tackles, doesn't really sustain blocks consistently. And my bottom line for him is Rosengarten is worth a flyer as an early day

three developmental athletic offensive tackle, but lacks the power necessary to survive at the NFL in his current state, which means six foot five, which is 30th percentile. 109, which is 35th percentile for offensive tackles. So it's like, I just think he's got to get stronger. That's it. So anyways, Braylon Trice, edge rusher from Washington 98 97 Michael Pratt quarterback out of Tulane 96 Jeremiah Trotter Jr. the linebacker out of Clemson 95 Mason McCormick the earth mover interior offensive or interior offensive guard from South Dakota State

94 Deidre Ann Taylor Denverson the safety from Texas Tech 93 this will go on my tombstone I guess uh Cooper Beebe, the interior offensive lineman from Kansas State. It's better than what I thought. At least I got it on the top of my head. Way better than what I thought. But if you went through this whole thing and at the end of the podcast you ain't, wait, you son of a bitch.

You didn't mention Cooper Beebe and I'm like, he's 201. Oh, man. That would have been a really good bid. I'm kind of mad you didn't do it. Yeah, man. That would have been a really good bid. I'm kind of mad he didn't do it. Yeah, me too. No, they said it out loud. 92, Eric Hall, the tight end from Iowa.

Look, I get it. Injury history is bad. That's it. You just got to stay healthy. Back surgery in 2022. ACL injury in 2023. It's not pretty. He led Iowa's offense in receiving yards still this past year even while only playing is like six games and that's because i think that they got him the ball as much as they could um

him and luke lashley lachey how i can't remember how you say his last name but they i mean they had eric yeah they had eric all and luke lachey in the same offense, which would have been sick. They had Laporta and Lachey the year before that. How did they keep getting away with this? I don't know. Javon Solomon, the edge rusher for Troy at 91. Ooh, hello. I like that.

Dude, I have... We'll get to jokes. So he's your Mo Camara. Like, that's your undersized edge rusher that you're taking your bet on. Well... Well... Oh, wait wait there's 90 malik loxham the wide receiver from virginia 989 renardo green the cornerback from florida state 88 austin booker the edge rusher of kansas 87 kyrie jackson the corner from oregon and this

is why i said well 86 jaylex hunt the edge rusher from Houston Christian. But he's not small. I mean, isn't he? No, Jalek's Hunt's not small. Dude, he played safety for four years. I know, but there's a reason why they moved him up. He's going to be a really big NFL player one day. You know what I'm saying? He's got almost 35-inch arms. No, look, the arm length is phenomenal.

And he's a shade under 6'4". So you're right. Solomon is... Where's Javon Solomon? Solomon is 6'2", 250. So, okay. All right, all right. I see that.

But yeah, I am betting on those two dudes. I like them a lot. I really do. 85, Jalen McMillan, the wide receiver from Washington. 84, Marshawn Lloyd, the halfback from USC. 83, Xavier Thomas, the address from Clemson. 82, Ray Davis the wide receiver from Washington. 84, Marshawn Lloyd, the halfback from USC. 83, Xavier Thomas, the head rusher from Clemson. 82, Ray Davis, halfback from Kentucky. 81, Kalen Bullock, the safety from USC.

80, Johnny Wilson, the wide receiver from Florida State. 79, here he is, folks, Bucky Irving, halfback from Oregon. 78, Javon Baker, the wide receiver from UCF. 77, Spencer Rattler, quarterback from South Carolina. And then 76, Devontez Walker, the wide receiver from UCF. 77, Spencer Rattler, quarterback from South Carolina. And then 76, Devontae Walker, the wide receiver from North Carolina. The one I'm surprised by, by a mile, like not Bucky Irving, not Jalen McMillan, is Kalen Bullock. I have him 153.

And the only reason I had him in the top 200 is because I'm still a believer in his like ball hawking single high safety ability. I can't quit it, brother. Outside of that, he can't do anything like that. So valuable. But God, if you're playing a team that's run heavy, you're dead. I know your last line of defense is a pea shooter. Look, I am who I am.

OK, I had Malik Hooker is like a top 15 prospect in his class and it's just like caleb bullock is just he's such a difference making coverage player that all i am begging this young man to eat a peanut butter sandwich at 2 a.m i am just i am begging you for three months just bulk get huge and then he can't play sideline to sideline anymore he's one of these million guys that has to play linebacker i can't i couldn't i couldn't do it man i couldn't i i i re-watched the tape of them and the tackling glares are still there it's just bad if you want to get any better i was like we didn't get it we left this a year a whole year it's still the same exact thing i went back and i watched it can you believe he didn't get any better at tackling since january

it's worse camp williams goes out there every day looks at the scoreboard and goes yeah we're gonna need 50 today boys every single week i can't quit it all right no i i you know what's so funny sure i had to do top 10 safeties for nbc a couple weeks ago and i couldn't believe it like he's safety 7 for me and that's like that's a compliment 17 i i really didn't think he'd be in my top 10 safeties and it's a little bit of the fault of the class and it is a little bit of the same as you where i'm like but man those ball hawking plays i can't let it go they're so good they're so good all right want me to rip 75 yes yep that's it all right 75 my guy tyrone tracy jr the running back out of purdue proud of you 74 ruka roero the d tackle from clemson, a guy we're a little different on, Dominic Pooney,

the offensive lineman from Kansas. 72, Brandon Dorlis, kind of a Swiss Army knife D-lineman, like edge, five tech, out of Oregon, weird player, but I'm still a believer. 71, we went over this already, Zach Zinner, the guard from Michigan. 70, Mo Camara, the pass rusher from Colorado State. Just back-to-back, the two dudes that I've got.

Way lower than you. Double whammy. 69, another guy that I'm just outrageously high on. Michael Hall, the D-tackle from Ohio State. Yeah, I really think Hall could... I think Hall is something. 68, this guy's fallen for me a lot since the summer. Jatavian Sanders, the tight end out of Texas.

Okay. Like when you're a pass since the summer. Jatavian Sanders, the tight end out of Texas. Okay. Like when you're a pass catcher only, kind of tight end, and you're not really a great athlete, it's not. I think he's a great athlete. You do? I do. I didn't think he tested well. I think he's a good athlete on the field.

I don't think he is a great athlete at the position man i i really do like his athleticism okay let me see what let me see i mean i started 68th which is like for a tight end i got him 43 so oh wow okay so here's the thing when you hate mcclaughlin and i think the usage is exactly the same oh don't you don't even don't you sanders is better obviously i'm like 50 spots higher or no more than that i think sanders is a way more explosive athlete than mclaughlin i get it but i'm saying that let it just shows up in the game way more than mclaughlin's does all right listen i feel like i'm arguing against something I don't even believe in here, but... I'm trying to look at his...

Where's his athleticism? McLaughlin's a good athlete, by the way. Really good athlete. He... So Sanders was... What is this? 91st percentile and 90th percentile for athletes for the tight end position

over the last two years. According to our athletic in-game athletic metrics. In-game. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 67, Breland Trice, pass rusher from Washington. Now we get a couple running backs coming up here finally.

With 66, Jonathan Brooks, running back out of Texas. Okay. 65, Devontae Walker, wide receiver out of UNC. 64 Adiza Isaac, edge rusher from Penn State. Did you read the story on Adiza Isaac on The Athletic? Which one? It was about his family. I think so, yeah.

A long time ago, though. I want to make sure. This was not that long ago. It was only two weeks ago. I feel bad that I don't have the writer up right now who long ago. It was only like two weeks ago. I feel bad that I don't have the writer up right now who was. It was really, really good. Adiza's from Brooklyn. His family with, oh man, I can't.

I don't want to. I'm not going to butcher it. Yeah. Are you looking it up? Yeah. I want to make sure I do it justice. And I do recommend everybody to go read it. Adiza is just, as I have to say, and I can't find it right away,

one of the easiest people to root for in this draft. Dan Pompey did an excellent, excellent job. Adiza has two brothers and a sister, and I believe all three of them are nonverbal. Yes. And he is just a really inspirational family person. It's go read the story on the athletic. I got to talk to Adisa at the combine. He is such a nice person and a good football player.

And that's why I'm talking about this right now. Cause I have him in my top 75. I'm he is, I think he's a top three person to root for in this draft. So go read that when you get a chance. 63 Darius Robinson,, another weird player, like that edge D tackle from Missouri kind of player. 62, Peyton Wilson, linebacker from NC State. Oh, I hate her.

60, absolutely. No, 61. 61, Kamari Lassiter, corner from Georgia. 60, Kingsley Suamatea, tackle from BYU. 59, Malachi Corley, wide receiver from Western Kentucky. 58, Jalen Wright, running back from Tennessee. I love Jalen Wright.

57, Xavier Leggett, wide receiver of South Carolina. 56, Patrick Paul, tackle from Houston. I know we're a little different on him. 55, Trey Benson, my top back in the class out of Florida State., Max Melton corner at a Rutgers and love it. 53 Cooper BB, your arch nemesis guard from Kansas state 52, Ennis rake straw junior corner out of Missouri and 51 Christian Haynes guard from Connecticut. Okay. All right. I'm going to list off my 75 and then we'll have

some conversations about some of these guys. So 75 for me is Trey Benson, halfback from Florida State. 74 is Jermaine Burton, the wide receiver from Alabama. Okay. Let's just talk about Jermaine Burton here. Oh, yeah, we have to. Burton is like a tape alone, Burton's top 10, top 8 receiver in this class,

even for as studded as this wide receiver group is. But it just feels as though there's some off-the-field stuff for him or character stuff for him that, I mean, I don't know when this guy's going to get drafted. I'm just letting you guys know Jermaine Burton is going to be that player who you're going to sit here and just say his name a million times of how he is still on the board and how receivers are going to get picked over him. Shoot. Maybe that isn't the case, but it sure feels like we're heading that direction where it could even,

this might, this could even be a DeJuan Jones situation from last year, right? Where DeJuan still on the board and people are going, how is this offense, extremely talented offensive tackle, still on the board in the fourth round? Like, what is going on here? And that might be the Jermaine Burton thing because off film alone, I had him as a top 50 player for months, but I just, from even what we're here,

and we don't even hear everything on this side of stuff, but from what we have heard, it's like, Jermaine Wildcard's draft projection is a complete mystery to me of where he's gonna go no idea yeah i mean there yeah this there's a lot going on um i mean i think everybody's privy to the whole rush the field incident like the tennessee incident because that's that's on video i mean that video is on Twitter but it feels like that and that's awful from what I've seen but yeah there's just yeah he you nailed it

there's what more needs to be said he is a top 10 receiver on talent I am very aware of that I didn't rank him that way because like it doesn't feel like he's going that high it's no and I don't like full transparency too i'm not trying to forecast when i do rankings no you aren't either trevor like we rank them where we would rank them we don't care where they're gonna go like how do you trust the guy to play for a long time in the league with that kind of problems and hopefully he figures it out because some guys do yeah and a lot of guys he is extremely talented i hope jermaine burton gets drafted high we never hear a peep from him because he's dudes unreal unbelievably talented but anyways he's a 74 for me blake fisher the

offensive tackle from notre dame uh 73 72 max melton cornerback from rucker 71 junior colson linebacker from michigan where did you have colson oh oh not yet okay Okay. All right. 70. Brandon Coleman, the offensive tackle from TCU. I like him, man. Coleman's really good. I like Coleman. Coleman on his best day is as good as the best in this class. Yeah, that's what I got in the top 75. Coleman on his worst day drives you nuts.

Yeah, but he... What was the background? Hold on. Let me make sure that I got this right. Because he, I think, grew up in Germany because his dad was in the military and his family was stationed over there. Spent most of his childhood in Berlin, Germany as his dad was stationed there during the military, during his military service. He moved back to the United States when he was 15 and originally wanted to play basketball in college, started playing football his junior

year of high school. Um, and ended up going to JUCO first, then transferred over to TCU. He's played left tackle, and he's played left guard. I mean, he is a really good athlete for a player of his size. He's got great body control, really nice explosiveness. I mean, he is still working on truly generating that lower body explosiveness, that lower body power, using leverage to really displace people, getting the hands exactly where they need to to maintain blocks. But this is another one of those guys where it's like,

okay, give me this type of athlete at offensive tackle. So he's somebody that I like. Obviously, I have him at number 70. 69, Xavier Worthy, wide tier from Texas. 68, Jalen Wright, halfback from Tennessee. 67, Ruka Rororo, the defensive tackle from Clemson. 66, Kingsley Suamatea, the offensive tackle from BYU. 65, Brandon Dorlis, defensive tackle from Oregon.

64, Andrew Phillips from Kentucky, the cornerback. 63, Marshawn Nealon, the edge rusher from Western Michigan. 62, Malachi Corley, the wide receiver from Western Kentucky. 61, Darius Robinson, the edge rusher from Missouri. So we see him pretty similarly, I guess. 60, Christian Haynes, the guard from UConn. 59, Edgerton Cooper, the linebacker from Texas A&M. 59, Chris Braswell, the edge rusher from Alabama.

57, Kieran Amagaji, the offensive tackle slash, I'll just say overall offensive lineman because I think he might be a guard from Yale. 56, Kamari Lasseter, the cornerback from Georgia. 55, Jonah Ellis, the head rusher from Utah. 54, Jaden Hicks, the safety from Washington State. 53, Xavier Leggett, the wide receiver from South Carolina. 52, Blake Corum, the halfback from Michigan.

51, TJ Tampa, the cornerback from Iowa State. So you really like Amagaji. I do. I do. Those are always the toughest guys to evaluate i know i know and i i when i watched him i felt like he dominated his level of competition which i absolutely wanted to see yeah and i just felt as though if you improve if you can get the feet a little bit quicker and you can improve the pad level, damn, I think this dude's good. I truly think he could be a starter for you at tackle or at guard. I think the kick slides are long.

They're controlled. They're balanced. I feel as though he is further along in the nuance of offensive tackle than most guys who are playing like at the Ivy league. I'm just going to be honest. Yeah. The hands are super fast. I just,

there's a lot of things that I like about him that we're not a finished product. Somebody who I could absolutely see starting at guard or tackle at the NFL level. I think that he is. Yeah. I think he's nice, man.

I really do. Oh, there was one more I wanted to ask about, and now it's slipping my mind. I forget, but I'm a God. Oh, we should talk more I wanted to ask about, and now it's slipping my mind. I forget. But Amagaji's. Oh, we should talk about Sue and Mattia, shouldn't we?

Sure. Because I think, and I don't know, because once again, you brought up like, I'm submitting my board to NBC right after we taped this, and then I'm really curious to dive into a lot of boards. But the way I, the stuff I see when I say, I'm seeing this guy that like is all Twitter combo. I feel like people really like Sue and Matia, and I get it. I also think Sua Matia almost can't even play this year.

Like he's far away right now, but he is a really intriguing ball of clay because of his size and athleticism. I think, now I'm obviously higher on Tyler Guyton because I haven't said his name yet, but I feel like consensus, I'm a little bit lower on both Tyler Guyton and Kingsley Suhimatia because these are two players who there's a long way to go for technique for them to really be solid offensive tackle options at the nfl level both of these guys i think are on the same plane where they're really good athletes but right now they're not really consistently blocking players you watch tyler guidance tape

i know this is prevalent with guidance and i saw it in suma t as well they're kind of just like shoving you, right? They're shoving these deep. They're not really like, okay, let me get my hand inside. Let me use my grip strength. Let me make sure that you can't get off of this block. Let me maintain this block and truly win this rep. They're basically like, let me mirror you,

stay in front of you, and then I'm just going to shove you really hard in one direction. Hopefully you go flying and then you don't come back for more. You won't really know what to do. You won't really have a good rhythm and counter to be able to get past me. So that's how I saw both of these guys. And I think that they are both worth investing in within the top 75, within the first two rounds, honestly, because of how well they move for their size. But if you are playing one of these guys as offensive tackle next year,

I think you're going to have to go through your lessons. You're going to have your struggles on that side of the ball. It's the hand placement, completely. You're going to need tight ends over there to help them out. You're going to need halfbacks over there to help them out

because if they lose their rep in hand placement or technique or whatever it is, you need some sort of security blanket because some of the reps that they lose, they might lose really quickly at the NFL level. So it's kind of how I see them. All right, 50 for me. Roman Wilson, the wide receiver from Michigan. 49, Braden Fisk, defensive lineman from Florida State.

48, Chris Braswell, edge pass rusher from Alabama. 47, Edrin Cooper, linebacker out of Texas A&M. 46, Jonah Ellis, edge out of Utah. 45, Chris Jenkins, defensive lineman from Michigan. 44, Bo Nix, quarterback from Oregon. 43, Xavier Worthy, wide receiver from Texas. 42, TJ Tampa, corner out of Iowa State. 41, Keon Coleman, wide receiver out of Florida state 40.

What? The fourth one. Nice. Is Keon Coleman. That's over all players. That is perfection. I could have guessed that one. The way we talk about him.

I mean, I guess we saw him somewhat similarly, but I had no idea if you were going to put him in the 60s. We actually bolted the one foot in, one foot out with Keon Coleman. I don't love him like I did in the top 15, but I can't quit. I can't quit him. 40, Adonai Mitchell, wide receiver out of Texas. 39, Mikey Sanristill, the corner out of Michigan.

38, Ladd McConkie, wide receiver out of Georgia. 37, Tyler Newbin, safety out of Minnesota. 36, Ricky Pearsall, wide receiver out of Florida. 35, Jordan Morgan, offensive lineman out of Arizona. 34, Junior Colson, linebacker out of Michigan. Wow, you like him a lot. It's going back to summer. Oh, he's your guy.

Yeah, I was like, I think this guy's really good. 33, his teammate, JJ I, yeah, I was like, I think this guy's really good. 33s teammate, JJ McCarthy, quarterback out of Michigan. 32 Zach Frazier center out of West Virginia. 31 Troy Franklin wide receiver from Oregon. You're going to notice a little change here, Trevor. I finally just did it. Wait, what number was Zach Frazier?

Zach Frazier was 32. Close. No cigar. 33 for me. Damn it. 31, Troy Franklin, wide receiver out of Oregon. 30, Chop Robinson, pass rusher out of Penn State. 29, Tyler Guyton, offensive tackle, Oklahoma.

28, Jalen Polk, Mr. Wide Receiver 5. I love it, man. Stick to your guns. Jalen Polk, wide receiver 5. 27, Kool-Aid McKinstry, corner out of Alabama. 26 is teammate Teron Arnold, corner out of Alabama. And then I'll stop there for the 25. All right.

So for me, 50, Chris Jenkins Jr., the defense tackle from Michigan. 49, Jonathan Brooks, the halfback from Texas, is my RB1. 48, Jalen Polk, the wide receiver from Washington. I still got him in the top 50. I still got him. He's fine. Yeah. Nobody's mad at you. Javon Bullard. Stop being mad at me. Javon Bullard, 47, receiver from Washington. I still got him in the top 50. I still got him. He's fine, yeah. Nobody's mad at you. Javon Bullard.

Stop being mad at me. Javon Bullard, 47, safety from Georgia. 46, Ennis Ray Kershaw Jr., the corner from Missouri. 45, Ricky Pearsall, the wide receiver from Florida. 44, Braden Fisk, the defensive tackle for Florida State. 43, Jatavian Sanders, the tight end for Texas. Who is good? Tell the people.

Televisa is not slow. I'm not mad. Don't tell the people that I'm mad. Do not put in the newspaper that I got mad. 42, Roman Wilson, the wide receiver from Michigan. 41, the aforementioned Keon Coleman, the wide receiver from Florida State. 40, Chop Robinson, edge rusher from Penn State. 39, Tyler Guyton, the offense attack from Oklahoma.

38, Adiz Isaac, edge rusher from Penn State. 37, Jordan Morgan, offense tackle Arizona. 36, Michael Penix Jr., the quarterback from Washington. 35, like a real coward, Bo Nix, quarterback from Oregon. 34, Mike Sandristill, the cornerback from Michigan. You know, at one point I thought about putting Mikey Sandristill in between those guys. And I'm like, I can't have quarterback, nickel corner quarterback. I can't.

I just can't do that. It's just. No, it's hard. Wouldn't. Right. So Zach Frazier. You proved the point. You started to lose your mind while doing this exercise.

Oh, 100%. Like you just stare at it and you're like, like a painting and you're like, just doesn't feel right. These start to just be like words. They're no longer names and identities and players. They're just letters that are organized a certain way. Zach Frazier, center from West Virginia, 33. 32, Ladd McConkie, the wide receiver from Georgia. 31, Tyler Newbin, the safety from Minnesota.

30, Peyton Wilson, linebacker from NC State. Both those players, LB1, the safety one for their position. 29, Troy Frankel, the wide receiver from Oregon. 28, J.J. McCarthy, quarterback from Michigan. 27, Jackson Powers Johnson, center from Oregon. 26, Kool-Aid McKintry, the cornerback from Alabama. And that leaves the top 25. I don't know, is there anybody?

So I got Chop Robinson at 40. Is it like a talking point at all whatsoever? It's not. All right. I feel like I'm way lower on his wildly raw and chop robinson is one of the most gifted freaks for his size on planet earth he's like sashimi we'll see what happens we'll see what happens right on a plate player comparison sashimi we're really starting to lose it all right just uh i don't know look what's the talking point here we talk about these guys

8 000 times i guess so you know no in all seriousness where'd you have newbin sorry 31 oh cool i haven't 37 like good football players some people i talk to that are projecting newbin to go at the top of the third round or end of the second. And I'm like, now we're just completely overthinking this. Yeah. Well, like end of the second, I get. Like, I can see it. Right.

Because he didn't test well. Right. But he's instinctual. Dude, he's a good player. Watch the tape. Turn it on. I know. Open your eyes.

I think he's, I know. Open your eyes. I think he's got, no, all jokes aside, like I think, I think Newman is a really good football player. I don't really care how he tests. I've seen it on the field for the last two years. He's graded out really well. The production is really well.

The tape itself individually is very, very well. So I like Tyler Newman, man. Should I close this thing out? Close it out. 25, Nate Wiggins, corner out of Clemson. 24, JC Latham. I'm really torn on if I think JC Latham is a guard or a right tackle. His deficiencies in pass pro at tackle can be limited by guard.

It can be. That's my argument there. 23, Byron Murphy, defensive lineman out of Texas 22 Jackson Powers Johnson center out of Oregon 21 Jaden Daniels quarterback that's five yes that's a perfect one Jaden to 21 let's go wow okay We'll have the Jaden combo. 20. Graham Barton. Tackle out of Duke. Well, guard, tackle, wherever the hell. Good player on the line. 19.

Michael Penix. Quarterback out of Washington. 18. Leatu Latu. Edge pass rusher out of UCLA. 17. Amarius Mims. Tackle out of Georgia.

16. Quinion Mitchell. Corner out of Toledo. 15. Cooper DeGene. Corner out of Iowa. 14. Dallas Turner. Pass rusher out of Alabama. 13. Johnny Newton. Defensive lineman out of Toledo. 15, Cooper Dijon, corner out of Iowa. 14, Dallas Turner, pass rusher out of Alabama.

13, Johnny Newton, defensive lineman out of Illinois. 12, Jared Verse, edge pass rusher out of Florida State. Big run of defenders there. And now it's all offense from here on out. Brian Thomas Jr. at 11, wide receiver out of LSU. Talisa Fawanga, tackle out of Oregon State at 10. Roma Dunze, wide receiver out of WashingtonSU. Talisa Fawanga, tackle out of Oregon State at 10. Roma Dunze, wide receiver out of Washington at nine. Troy Fitanu, offensive lineman out of Washington at eight. At seven,

I'm still a believer. Olu Fashinu, the tackle out of Penn State. Six, I will proudly stand up and say he could be really good. Drake May, quarterback at a UNC. Five, Brock Bowers. Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave? Yes, I've set the world on fire. There's your open, Ryan. Five, Brock Bowers, tight end out of Georgia. Four, Malik Nabors, wide receiver out of LSU. Joe All at three, the tackle out of Notre Dame.

Two, Caleb Williams, the quarterback out of USC. And number one in the draft. He never moved from this spot for me since our first big board from last summer, Marvin Harrison, Jr. Who will be drafted after Autra Guest to me? Of course. Yes, of course. We also got Malik neighbors the same, but honestly, like, you know,

the higher you get in the order that it's not as fun, right? That that becomes you are higher on Tal Talize Fuanga than I am. And that just makes me really happy. Because you introduced him to me. Well, I just, yeah. Like out on a date. You were like, this is Talize Fuanga. I introduced him to the world.

I just introduced him. I gave birth to him, obviously. Yes, and here we are. Yeah, here we are. That must have been painful. He's gigantic. All him, obviously. And here we are. Yeah, here we are. That must have been painful. He's gigantic. All right. Sorry.

Yeah, he was as big as he is now. Okay. This is the dumbest podcast of all time. This is such a dumb podcast. 25. 25, Brian Thomas Jr., the wide shooter from LSU. 24, Nate Wiggins, the cornerback from Clemson. 23, Graham Barton, the offensive lineman from Duke.

22, A.D. Mitchell, the wide shooter from Texas. 21, Jaden Daniels, the quarterback from LSU. We'll bring him up in a second. Amarius Mims, the offensive tackle from Georgia at 20. 19, Jared Verse, edge rusher from Florida State. 18, J.C. Latham, the offensive tackle from Alabama. 17, Olu Fashinu, the offensive tackle from Penn State. 16, Dallas Turner, the edge rusher from Alabama.

15, Troy Faltanu, the offensive tackle from Washington. 14, Terian Arnold, the corner from Alabama. 13, Talisa Fuanga, the offensive tackle from Oregon. 12, Byron Murphy II, defensive tackle Texas, like a real coward. Jerzon Newton at 11, defensive tackle from Illinois. I just said Illinois as well. Yep. Put me in a coffin.

Illinois, I know. The great state of Illinois. The great state of Illinois. Nine, Quinion Mitchell, the cornerback from Toledo. Eight, Cooper DeGene, the cornerback from Iowa. Seven, Brock Bowers, the tight end from Georgia. Six, Romo Dunze, the Washington wide receiver. Five, Joe Walt, the offensive tackle from Notre Dame.

Four, Malik Nabors, the wide receiver from LSU. Three, and I agree with you, I'll stand there with you, he could be good. Drake May, the quarterback from North Carolina. Number two, Marvin Harrison Jr., wide receiver from Iowa State. And number one, Caleb Williams, quarterback from USC. A couple of talking points. Jaden Daniels at 21. I feel like I get asked about this all the time

since my big board was kind of published and final. Any radio station that I've been on, they've been like, oh, you got Jaden at 21. Do you think he's cheeks? And it's like, no. Radio is always mind blown by it. Right, right. Because I think, you know, and then you answer the question by walking them through.

Yes. I have a late first, early second round grade on Jaden Daniels. Right. But I'm also aware that Jaden is, I don't want to say a one year wonder because he's not, he is progressed in a linear way to where you can have faith in his progression and that he's not just going to be terrible at the NFL level, but the production that he had this past year as a Heisman Trophy winner, he wasn't an offense that was very tailored to what he is able to do very

well. It was a vertical offense with Malik Nabors and Brian Thomas Jr. to throw the ball to. He was able to hang tough in the pocket a lot. He was able to be very vertical with where his eyes were going and when he could throw the football. It wasn't a ton of like over the middle of the field stuff. He wasn't really a scrambler to throw. Anytime he was taking off, it was really like just to run. So there's a lot of things that I think people just assume that Jaden Daniels is good at. That it's like, okay, he could be like he has the ability to be this but it's not like you see this all the time from him so especially the the scram the

throws on the run the scrambling like that's not the kind of quarterback that he's been right he had he had less than half the attempts on the run this year than michael pennix jr did and pennix is athletic but but like Penix's entire thing is between the tackles. Penix wants to be a pocket passer and so does Jaden. And so I think that people are just like, oh yeah, he's fast. Great escapability. What an artist when he's scrambling on the run. It's like, I'm not saying he can never be that, but you're telling me something that he's not. I also think his arm's not nearly as good as, I don't want to say not nearly, I'll take that back. His arm is not as good as Caleb Williams, Drake Mays, or J.J. McCarthy's in this class. And I think that it just gets classified

with those guys in ways that I don't agree with. And so that's why I got him at 21. So I'll let you kind of talk about him, where he is and how he got to 21 for you, but that's where it is to me. It's the projection of what he did this past season knowing that it's not exactly going to be a carbon copy in the nfl even if he goes to a cliff kingsbury offense this next year and just the overall arm talent compared to other nfl quarterbacks that's the perfect way to put it i mean if you want me to pull out the notes from my scouting report that are not glowing because there are plenty of those electric playmaker really hit a stride this season compact release can throw a touch at all three levels like he has a very average arm he is a guy that sees his targets open rather than throwing them open

like watch brian thomas jr watch malik neighbors enough and you will know there are not as much anticipation throws as some of the other top quarterbacks in this draft he needs to protect himself like he has to protect himself none of this right like he is going to get clobbered because he is a runner which is fine not a scrambler there's a giant difference lamar jackson and kyler murray when they run because they are not the biggest guys in the world weight wise always protect their bodies as much as they can and to be fair both have been hurt but i think they're very good at protecting themselves josh allen is a maniac josh allen's also like 240 pounds and six foot five and josh allen probably will when he gets older start to feel those a

little bit more and probably start to protect himself and your wild 20s he doesn't really care like jayden can't live like that so and jayden daniels has been knocked out of games before right like that and i think there were some moments this year that you know there were big spots and and he didn't get it done. I understand that offense was electric and I understand the defense was not very good and he was put in a tough spot. But. I think the middle of the field throwing combined with him under pressure as a full sample size throughout his career, not just this year, are things that really, really need to grow. So he's been built up as this slam dunk number two pick, and I think it's a dangerous precedent to set, personally. Yep.

So we would love to hear what you guys think of our top 200s. This is the first time that we've done this on this show, that we have done these dueling top 200s to release the big board. I can't remember how many. Did we do 100 last year? Did we do 150? Probably. But I know we have not done 200. We pumped the numbers up. I can't remember how many, did we do a hundred last year? Did we do one 50? Probably what we did, but I know we have not done the numbers up. Yeah. Those are rookie numbers. You got to pump those numbers up. Look, we love you guys. Thank you so much for

rocking with us throughout this entire episode and throughout this whole process to kind of get to this point where we both have our big boards. We would love to hear from you guys as well. We know that you've been listening all draft season long, going all the way back to summer scouting. Let us know what you think of these players. Hey, look, if you've been listening all draft season long going all the way back to summer scouting let us know what you think of these players hey look if you've got a big board out there and you don't have anywhere to put it put it in damn comments let's see it right i don't care i don't care how many i don't care how many prospects you have on there youtube does the read more thing anyway so if you got a one if you got 150 guys that you're proud of you watch that you rank throw it in the comments man i can't i can't guarantee that you're proud of, that you watch, that you rank, throw it in the comments, man.

I can't guarantee that we're going to respond to the nuances of the rankings of all of them, but the people who listen to this podcast will see it. And maybe you'll have a little bit of good back and forth to some of this. You can throw in whatever commentary you want. We would love to hear from you. Let us know what you thought of our rankings.

We'd love to hear yours as well. Best way to do that, youtube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. If you are audio only, this podcast is probably a rollercoaster for you, so my apologies. But you can hit us up on Twitter and on Instagram as well, at Connor J.

Rogers, and then at T.M. of A. Trey as well. Never really thought of that. Yeah, let's salute to you if you've been audio only. We really appreciate you guys rocking with us through everything. Connor, I'm so excited, man. This week is going to be so much fun. The next episode that we have for the good people, I believe, is our final predictive mock draft.

Right? That's right. We will do, like we did last year, I would assume, try together to predict round one. Yes. Like it's not, I see some people tweeting at us like final three rounder and stuff. I think to me, we've done a lot of those or enough of those. And those are a little rapid fiery and a little bit of after round one, it starts to be like, hey, I think this might make sense. This is Trevor and I doing every pick together, trying to nail down like, hey, man, this is

what we think is going to happen. This is what we think is going to happen. That episode is going to come out Wednesday evening. So you guys can have all of what we hope is Wednesday night. And then all of Thursday leading up to the draft to, to watch it or review it. And then like we, we said this last week,

but in case you missed it, Connor, I will go live. We'll do a live show right after the draft is right after round one of the NFL draft is over. So that Thursday night, which will bleed into Friday or very early Friday morning after midnight, we will go live and we will give you our reaction to everything that we saw on night one of the draft. We won't have a reaction after night two. We won't have an instant reaction after night three.

But then on Sunday, we will have our draft grades episode for you guys. So that is the schedule that we have moving forward. Make sure you guys check out Connor's Big Board over at NBC Sports. Make sure that you are bookmarking and following his tweets for where you can watch all of the content that they've got going on during draft weekend at PFF. I'm going to be on the desk again with Sam and Steve and some other analysts as well, covering the draft live stream night one, night two, day three of the draft,

and those recap shows as well. So we would love for you to hang out in as many ways as you can with both of those shows. That would mean a lot as much as you guys are listening to this podcast and doing a lot as well. Connor, did I forget anything before we get out of here? No as you guys are, are listening to this podcast and doing a lot as well. Connor, did I get it? Forget anything before we get out of here. You nailed it, man. You nailed it. I think, uh, I think that that was quite the episode.

It was a lot. We in a good way. You know what? We've made a lot of history on this podcast this year. Um, in horrible ways. No, I'm just kidding. In, in, in, in really great ways when it's come to like ranking, having a 30 wide receiver ranking episode or doing more three round mock drafts or

doing a top 200. And it has been so rewarding and so much fun to see that every time we kind of push the envelope here on this channel, you guys seem to embrace it. You want to get involved. And not only do you watch the videos you comment on them you get into the conversation like that stuff uh means the world and it and it makes us want to be more creative in everything that we do and i can i can already tell you that the 2025 draft cycle we're gonna have so much fun and it uh it's gonna be a blast but we gotta we gotta find out where these guys are going for 2024 first i'm trevor sycamore that is connor rogers thank you guys so much for 2024 first. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers.

Thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. We'll see you guys on Wednesday. Thank you.