NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 259. Ranking 2025 NFL Draft Offensive Tackles (Summer Scouting)

Episode Date: July 4, 2024

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers continue their Summer Scouting Series and coverage of the 2025 NFL Draft by ranking the draft-eligible offensive tackles for the 2025 NFL Draft. The two bring you each of their top 8s with strengths, weaknesses, player comps and projections

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, we're back to summer scouting. We're moving to the offensive line. Today, we're talking about offensive tackles. Now, we're going to talk about a lot of guys who might be tackles, it might be guards, and we'll get into all of that. We're giving you our top

eights from each of us. Trevor Sycamore with me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sycamore. That is Connor Rogers joining you guys for episode one of the big beauties for summer scouting that's what we call them around here it's not the big uglies it's the trench guys we call them the big beauties around here this is offensive tackle day so connor and i are going to give you our top offensive tackles going into the college ball season for the 2025 nfl draft don't worry next week we will get the interior guys we're not leaving them out.

Everybody calm down. We're talking offensive tackles first. Connor, how you doing, my friend? I'm good, man. And I agree with you. On this show, we have gone by the big beauties. I might have said to you that somebody was built like a muffin before the show started, but that wasn't on the air. So it never happened.

It doesn't count. Yeah, but what's better than walking by a bakery and just seeing a beautiful blueberry muffin? Muffin might be the best pastry. Ooh. When done right. Like double chocolate muffin to me, I don't know what I could put up against it. I don't hate it.

Because like, I'm a blueberry muffin guy. muffin to me i i don't know what i could put up against it i don't hate it because like a good blue like i'm a blueberry muffin guy right and those and they're great peak peak to me phenomenal i don't have i don't have a big sweet tooth so like when i wake up in the morning like i'm not like i'm not a big like sweets guy i don't crave it right away yeah like you would need like a chocolate croissant when you're right blueberry muffin though it's the perfect amount of like sweetness in the morning so the good stuff you know what you you kind of you kind of started that saying it was a little bit of an insult maybe it's not maybe you actually maybe that that comp that you had there maybe we need to read the blueberry muffin of right tackles and it's

the grades of nine out of ten i'm great great, man. It's good to be back. I know that we were a little behind on this one. It's just, listen, it takes a while. Like you and I watched double digit tackles and this is just tackles. And part of that process we were talking about off the air too, is that you run into guys that quickly on tape.

You're like, Oh, this guy's probably better for the interior episode as well. So the offensive line process of summer scouting is it's a it's a pretty deep one and this was a fun watch because I'm not ready to say it has the star power that last year's group had in the first round but this group has depth and it has some players that are really on a great trajectory yeah I agree with you last year's class was really good obviously with how many offensive tackles went in the first round how much we talked about them pre-draft it felt like you couldn't get out of the first round without if there was

any hint of an offensive line need for a team you were like oh i got a guy for you it didn't matter whether it was in the top 10 the top 20 or even the back uh part of the first round so i i don't think it's going to be that deep at the top but i agree with you there's a lot of really good players and i felt as though there were a lot of players in this study specifically where i'm watching them and there's some obvious like okay here's your strength and weaknesses thing there's a lot of underclassmen that it's like okay you very clearly can still get better so i'm excited to really talk about those here with you and i'm sure it's going to make our rankings pretty interesting because it's sort of, all right, do we view this guy as,

hey, what you see is what you get? Or does one of us believe there's some untapped potential there? You could still get more out of their strengths. You could really mitigate the weaknesses. And obviously you'll hear a lot of the same names this week and next week as we talk about guys being either tackles or interior players because that's just the nature of when you talk about offensive line. But we're going to give you guys our top eights today.

So we'll go a little bit quicker. Eight through six, we'll rattle off those three and obviously get a little bit more into the weeds with our top five and kind of highlight these guys individually. Connor, I will let you start out, my friend. What do you got? Eight through six? Yeah, let's rock and roll number eight for me was riley malman the right tackle at wisconsin okay uh number seven for me was blake miller the tackle out of clemson and then number six for me was wyatt milliam i want

to make sure i say that right out of west Virginia, who was he's played right tackle. Now he plays left tackle like just wildly pleasant surprise of a watch, just a phenomenal player to watch. And was obviously on my radar because I watch him, but not somebody I went into this with all this hype and expectations. So Milliam from West Virginia, he's he's a really good player. So we actually don't have any similar players. That's kind of crazy. Well, yeah, and I'll say right off the bat, I was really disappointed that at number nine,

just on the outside looking in, because he's so athletic, and he was a transfer and started at left tackle for Ohio State, but Josh Simmons was number nine for me. Ugh! Yeah, I really liked his tape, and I see him really growing as the year went on. But I just want to see, you know, a little bit more. But somebody that I want to give a shout out to that that was at nine for me and really could have been at eight.

Yeah, I I think you're going to give more than a shout out to him because he's going to come up later in the show. Perfect. So we're definitely going to talk about Ohio State left tackle Josh Simmons. There's no doubt about that. Wyatt, so Wyatt just missed my top eight. I have him at nine. I think that's the most similar ones that we're going to talk about because there's another name that you mentioned that we can't talk about yet

because I have him higher on the list and we'll get to that a little bit later in the show. But let's just start with Wyatt Milliam from West Virginia. Senior offensive tackle there, their left tackle, 6'6", 317 pounds, so above 60th percentile in both height and weight. What did you think about him? You had him at 7, correct? I got him at 9? I had him at 6.

Okay, you had him at 6. So let's talk about him. A little bit of back and forth. What did you like about Milliam? Well, number one one that he's just got great length to close off the edges and really knows how to use it in my opinion he was somebody that i just found him getting his hands under the pads of pass rushers to stall their momentum and you said it like this is a big guy six foot six he's 314 pounds i thought he moved well at that height. He's very difficult to get around. He just understands positioning, and it's not a surprise.

That's something you see on tape for somebody that, as a freshman in 2021, he was their starting right tackle. In 2022 and 2023, he was their starting left tackle. Former four-star recruit, he was a really big recruit. He just decided to stay home in his home state. He's from West Virginia. So he's played already three years at tackle from his freshman through junior season both sides and you see the experience in year three where he's a little bit ahead you you said it Trevor there's a lot of guys we're going to talk about today that you're projecting because

they haven't played as much they have some habits that they're working on fixing, but they're so physically gifted. With Milliam, I thought he was a guy that a lot of the finished product looks really, really good. I think his burst in outside zone and his ability as a smooth climber on linebackers and finishing his blocks was excellent. I mean, the way he angles his body as a blocker when on the move and specifically in the zone game yeah he just knows how to cut off he knows how to get on top of guys right away to really kind of take them out

of the run fit the thing i wrote down for him is and you'll see it when you watch him against penn state like he's a taller guy naturally that pad level is going to be a little high adiza isaac was able to bend around him you know he held up really good against their other rushers isaac a guy that knows how to turn the corner and bend, he got him pretty good on a rep. And that's just something that Milliam at 6'6", he's going to have to deal with. But love the movement skills, love the length.

If you're a team that is running a lot of outside zone, I think you're going to absolutely love this guy. And you have to appreciate somebody that comes in as a true senior and has already started at both tackle positions across three years. That's impressive to me. Yeah. Sometimes pass pro is, is difficult to project to the next level because edge rushers get so much better, right? They get so much better because the baseline for being a starting caliber NFL edge rusher, you got to be bigger. You got to be longer. You got to be faster. You got to be stronger. So you'll get some of these guys that will play tackle at the college level and they might yield some good pass blocking grades. But to me, there is more instability with pass blocking

grades. Not that they can't hint at good ability from the tackle, but there there's, there's more potential instability with past blocking grades than there are run blocking grades. Normally, if you were a good run blocker at the college level, you're going to continue to be a good run blocker at the NFL level. Like that is normally just something that is a little bit more stable. So when you look at, you know, Wyatt Milliam, this is just from 2023. So it's not his entire career. I just took the last year run blocking grade in man and gap scheme. And then run blocking grade in zone.

72.8 grade and a 71.9 grade. Really solid. Really solid numbers there in both zone blocking and man and gap scheme blocks. You're going to hear us talk about this over the next two weeks because it is a little bit different. And I'll try to make sure that I'm always explaining this correctly. We have some statistics that we think, or I should say grades, data points, that we think are more stable when it comes to projecting success or failure at the college level to the NFL level. When you're playing offensive tackle, negatively graded run plays are more stable than necessarily positively graded run plays because it stable than necessarily positively graded run plays

because it showcases, okay, if you were a good run blocker, you were going to be a good run blocker most of the time. So those positively graded run blocking plays, they could sometimes be by chance, right? You line a guy up the right way. He doesn't see where you're coming from. The rest of the line does their job really well and sometimes you can just get those pancake blocks that look incredible that you've got to give a plus 1.5 or a plus two grade from because you absolutely destroyed them but on a play-by-play basis the more stable metric is how often did you earn a negative grade on a run blocking play because if that is much less frequent well then now it can depend on you a lot more as a run blocker so all that to say negatively graded run plays 50th percentile for wyatt which is pretty good actually one of the better marks in this group which i think we'll talk about kind of

as this show goes on but i agree with you 100 one of the notes i have for him in his strength just smart aware player the eyes are always looking it feels like to to look for extra work the angles you mentioned how well he can make up for that higher pad level he does a very good job with that um reminding me a little bit of Caleb McGarry when it came to utilizing that big frame those that length and so this is somebody who I think is just a really smart offensive offensive lineman um Mack on cows from Pittsburgh it kind of gave me those same vibes where it's like okay maybe not the most athletically gifted offensive lineman but i feel like he just gets it like he knows how trench play is done and how to succeed at that level because

you know the first step's a little bit slow for him he's not a great athlete but he makes up for it in a lot of ways so this is a player that maybe the ceiling is a little bit lower with Wyatt Milliam but I think the floor is pretty decently high for him to stick around the league and get a couple of starting shots here and there and you just love if you're drafting someone like that on day two or the top of day three that he's played both sides because you're looking for when you draft depth you really prefer them to be able to be a swing tackle. And I think the term swing tackle, like that phrase, gets thrown around recklessly, where not everybody can play both sides.

Well, I've watched YMillion play both sides successfully at the college level, so I think he could do that, and I think it really adds to the value of him as a prospect. Yeah. No, a little fun background for him. He was also a pitcher in high school who had verbally committed to Marshall to play baseball before he ended up, you know, committing to West Virginia

to play football. And don't quote me here because I read this, but it seems outlandish. Did not allow a sack in his entire high school career. I'm not surprised. Sounds very outlandish. So allow a sack in his entire high school career. I'm not surprised. Sounds very outlandish. So I don't know. I might have to do some more research on this one,

but I did see that noted. Who is like PFF grading high school games though? Is what I want to know. Some true addicts. That's what I'll tell you. Like allowed three pressures his senior year of high school. It's like, who is doing this?

I don't. There's got to be. I'm sure there's a system out there somewhere. Yeah. If you're a high school football PFF grader in the shadows, shout out your grind in the comment section. We need to know who you are. We need to salute you people.

Okay. So you had the Wisconsin offensive tackle at number eight. I did not watch him so can you uh give a couple of words on him before we move on to the next guy well and to clarify i know you you did watch their left tackle jack nelson yes i watched jack nelson yeah maulman is their right tackle so you're i mean a theme of this show that a lot of you will recognize is duos like it's it's impressive a lot of you will recognize is duos like it's it's impressive a lot of the tackle duos in the country it's i was like wow i'd i'd finish a

player and i always try to keep schools together i'd be like okay i'll stay on this school and go back to the tackle across from him so riley malman is a redshirt junior he is six foot eight he is a very very tall human being and he is someone that started all of 2023 at right tackle and he started six of wisconsin's games at right tackle in 2022 former four-star recruit from minnesota this is someone to me when you watch wisconsin go very inside zone heavy at times last year, remember how long Wisconsin was so gap heavy, and last year they made a big transition to a lot of the zone running game. You watch him in inside zone, like this is a people mover. He just understands how to use his strength.

He's 6'8". He's quick out of the gate, like off the ball for his size and when he lands on defenders he drives his legs so a lot of tall guys I think at times in zone they can get they can make up a lot of ground quickly and they're not they have burst even though they're tall but they don't know how to sustain blocks. And sometimes it's okay because you're so big and you don't have to sustain a block. You just got to do your job. I think with Riley Malman, what impressed me was he was somebody that really knew how to drive his legs and move people completely out of the lane and open up space for his running back. So that jumped out of the gate right for me right away. I think when you look at him in pass pro, he obviously moves well.

He's got the length. He's got the size. His hands get a little wide at times, and this is a younger player. Keep that in mind. And these taller offensive tackles, 6'8". I mean, we've had these conversations in the past about tall offensive tackles. You've got to watch your pad level for leverage because guys will try to dip around you or they'll try to play really low.

And, you know, they'll try to step to the outside and cross your face back to the inside. And it's just hard to play with consistently great leverage when you're that big. And I thought it was pretty good for Malman, but just something that he'll have to keep in mind. I will say it right here, like to kill a surprise. I thought he was the better tackle out of the Wisconsin tackles. And I'm not saying there was a reputation base i think when you look at jack nelson who is an nfl caliber player i think he's just been playing longer uh he was a starter at guard in 2021 and then left tackle all of 22 and 23 he just i think it's a little bit more of a well-known commodity but i turned on tape from him to maulman i was wildly impressed with maulman and what he of 22 and 23. I think it's a little bit more of a well-known commodity,

but when I turned on tape from him to Malman, I was wildly impressed with Malman and what he's able to do. It's a conversation we kind of had a little bit with Milliam where these guys that are taller and know how to use their length and can really get to their targets in the zone running game. It's definitely impressive, and it's translatable, in my opinion. So the other guy that you mentioned was blake miller from clemson and uh we will get to him a little bit later in the show my eight through six since we don't have any others that are similar um a johnny cornelius

the right tackle from oregon i have him at number eight. From Harlem, New York. There you go. All right. Shout out. Shout out. Didn't know that. I should have known that. Where do I have him in recruiting?

Oh, White Plains, New York. Okay. Yep. I mean, he's probably, he was born in Harlem. I was going to say. New York City football can get a little funky. But yeah, Cornelius. I love it.

Nice. Seven. I have Josh Connerly Jr., the left tackle from Oregon, so his teammate right there. Now, they're not the same player, but it is kind of funny that I just had him at eight and seven. You treated them as the same player. They're not the same.

You're like, screw this. Stay together. Make my life easier. I'm not moving the Oregon slot any further. And six, I think this will be surprising but um i think this will be a good conversation to have i have emory jones from lsu at six i haven't met five okay all right cha-ching wow did you think i'd have in top three? There's a lot of, so I watch these. I watch ball. It's so good to be back. So I don't like looking up rankings before I watch the players, right? Because I don't want to necessarily be skewed. Sometimes when you look up kind of like databases of like,

hey, who should I watch? Sometimes they're ordered a little bit, so you can't really do anything about it. But I think there's a lot of people who will have Emery Jones in the top three of their offensive tactics, probably like right around number three. And I'm not necessarily saying that that's wrong, but when I graded these things out and I watched Jones I was a little shocked how consensus it was that it was like okay he's yeah a top three offensive tackle in this class no question about it because there are some things I think he does really well but there are also some things that I think holds him back a little bit so let's have that conversation then if he's five for you that's coming up next anyways Emery Jones, so he is the right tackle for LSU.

We will get to the left tackle for LSU a little bit later in the show. So Emery Jones, he's listed at 6'6". I have on pretty decent authority, he is not 6'6". Oh, yes. I can back up your authority. Verified. five even yeah i think he is closer to six four flat or six four and a half right he weighs 320 pounds so if he is six foot four and a half let's give him the half that's just 15th percentile for offensive tackles which goes into kind of his strength and we use the weight around 320 that's around the 60, 70th percentile for the offensive tackle position.

He's a former four-star guy. He's from Baton Rouge. He's playing in LSU, which is really cool. Played both football and basketball in high school. He was a two-time state champion in high school, which I like to note a little bit. Not that obviously football is the ultimate team game, but when you win state championships in high school,

and when you're kind of just a winner in college, something to that to me. It's just what you do. You expect to win. You train to win. You practice to win because you've tasted that before, and that's just what it's all about. So became one of three true freshman offensive linemen to start for the 2022 LSU offensive line obviously he started again as well so in two seasons he started 24 games all at right tackle for LSU so I'll get to my strength and weaknesses I think as I can kind of like compliment yours but curious with you having him at five just on the edge of your top five what'd you like about Emery

Jones here what I really liked is just that stout build. And I thought the arm length, considering he's not the tallest guy in the world, I thought the arm length looked adequate to me. I watched him look at his build and I'm like, okay, even though he's more 6'4 and a half, the arm length looked good to me. Just that mass and strength that he carries stalls the bull rush. When guys try to rush through him, you could really see them stop in the tracks. He's got the beef.

He brings the beef. And he's just an old school brawler in the downhill run game. When they want to run north and south, it's like, okay, let's have Emery Jones get into a phone booth fight and I'll put my wager on him. Like that kind of guy. And just that old school brawl and maul mentality let me get my hands on you let me bury you let me just fight through the rep you know

where he gets into a little bit of trouble and this is a developing player who made massive strides from 2022 to 2023 in my opinion he could stop his feet and bend his waist when he throws his hands and pass pro at times. There's it's, it, he kind of locks that lower half and he could be a bit of a waist bender. And I think he's another guy like needs to watch that pad level. He could duck at times. And I, I, Trevor, I just don't know if he has the overall movement and agility skills for his own running game.

I, I just, it wasn't pretty in the zone running game all the time. It goes back to my strengths of North and South mall and brawl. But if we want to run this thing to the outside, I don't want to ask him to, you know, get out in front and be moving and climb to his spots and climb to the second level and beat his man to the ball carrier. You know, to his spots and climb to the second level and beat his man to the ball carrier you know I I see a lot of similar things to what you see when it comes to Emory Jones because of that I think he's going to be better at guard in the NFL level wouldn't shock me I'm going to talk

about him next week as a guard because I kind of put his I kind of put his build and his strength and weaknesses also through the the guard categories that I have and sort of spit out a number and the round grade that I get the preseason round grade that I gave him at guard is higher than what I had him at tackle because I feel as though he's probably a back-end day two guy with how he plays at tackle right now but if you're telling me he plays on the inside well now all of a sudden I think we could have a potentially high impact interior offensive lineman with him and obviously like the height and if there are any length concerns you're not really worried about that if you're

moving him into guard and so I actually saw that as a recruit, he was a interior offensive line recruit. Yes. So I did see that with him that there was sort of this kind of debate of like, okay, is he playing offensive tackle? Is he going to play on the interior? So there was sort of a, there was a, there was a debate even in high school. They obviously put him at right tackle when he's at LSU, but man, you, you highlighted a lot of the strengths really well the hands are up they're they're always active and they are powerful when they hit you they hit you yeah it's heavyweight hands he's got bricks duct taped to his hand and he is just just punching the crap out of you and these defensive linemen they feel it yeah i also think you you said it best he is a competitive blocker

I love the way he approaches this there was a rep I can't remember which team it was might have been the old miss game where he gets a linebacker so obviously he's supposed to kind of like overpower the linebacker but he gets the linebacker in a position where like the linebacker obviously is screwed here and he could kind of just of just shove this guy to the ground. And you could tell, he almost cocks it back and just boom, buries him into the ground like an anime character does when they throw him through the ground and just the whole ground around them just explodes and the earth cracks.

You're probably wondering how I got myself in this position. Free stream? Essentially. The defender, yeah. wondering how I got myself in this position essentially for the defender yeah so I mean he brings that Mauler's mentality that I that I would love on the interior and yeah it's not like it's not that that mentality can't thrive at tackle I am somebody who is pounding the table banging the drum whatever analogy you want to use for Talisa Fuanga to stay at offensive tackle with this kind of a mentality and this kind of a strength that he boasted to

his game. I was the same way with Darnell Wright from Tennessee. These are two guys that I really liked, but the difference between those two players and Emory Jones to me is the foot speed. I thought both Fuanga and Darnell Wright had much faster feet, lighter feet than Emory Jones does. You watch him and his feet are heavy. He's a big dude. He's a powerful player. When he puts his foot in the ground, again, it's boom, boom, boom. I mean, it's like the Hulk. And there's a reason why he has so much power to him and so much leg drive and you love that about him. And there's a reason why he has so much power to him and so much leg drive. And you love that about him, but there's also a little bit of a drawback when you project him to tackle, because when you have that kind of slow feet, you're not climbing to the second level as fast. You're not able to cover as much ground in deep kick slide or in, in a deep pass protection.

When you really got to protect the outside shoulder from a speed rusher, a guy who's got a lot of bend to him, a lot of good, some good burst off of the snap. And I think the, the, the, the part that really bugs me about him being one-on-one as a tackle so much is with those heavy feet, despite him having a good wide base, guys got to cross his face way too easy and way too cleanly, especially for a guy that's got as much power as he does. So that worries me when you are one-on-one a lot as a tackle. And a lot of those weaknesses get mitigated or at least have help when you were on the interior. Now you got to have fast feet to play on the interior as well. I'm not trying to say that, oh, everybody is slow. You just kick them inside. It's going to be easy. But Jones' footwork, I think, is good enough to where if you put him at guard, you could really have a good starter at the NFL level,

maybe even an impact player, maybe even a pro bowl type of a player from an interior offensive lineman. So that's what I thought about him and why I had him sixth on my tackle rankings. Five for me. So I think you should probably jump to five for you then uh do where do you have the oregon guys so i had cornelius at 10 okay okay and then i had connerly at four okay all right so we'll talk about connerly i i'll just i'll just mention some thoughts on uh johnny cornelius who i do

like i mean he is oregon's right tackle six foot five 310 pounds um he start his recruiting profile zero star offensive guard okay in the 2020 recruiting class he ends up committing to rhode island out of high school um played both guard and tackle in high school, redshirted his first season, started 22 games at right tackle in 2021 and 2022, transferred to Oregon in 2023, then started all 14 games at right tackle last year. This guy, very similarly to Emory Jones, he's got the power. He is a power profile type of guy. Now, I think the things that worry me about him, the arm length, I think it'll be average at best. It's likely below average. And like Emory Jones, I just think that Cornelius has got some heavy feet to him. If you get him between the shoulders and if he gets hands on you, I really like that part of his blocking game. I mean, I think he's got great grip strength. I think he can really bench press the even defensive lineman and just get the space, get the arm length,

really kind of throw them off their game when he's throwing those punches. But I just don't know if he's quick enough or athlete enough to be a starting caliber offensive tackle at the next level. I love the background. I love where he came from. I love how he's worked from being a zero-star recruit all the way through to Oregon. Good college player. Yeah, I think he is a really good college player i just i and like i

think he handles power well too i think he's got a great anchoring technique i love the footwork there i just don't know if he's an athlete enough uh to really succeed at the next level he reminded me of cam fleming you remember cam fleming when he was coming out of florida state sure dude would beat the hell out of you every time the ball was snapped and i felt like that's kind of Cornelius's game too but um not sure this that's going to be a long-term start in the NFL okay so you had them grouped together there and now we should probably transition to his teammate in Connerly right yeah yeah let's do it and I totally agree with you by the way on Cornelius that's how I landed on him right at 10 where I was like this is this guy's had an awesome story like like you, by the way, on Cornelius. That's how I landed on him right at 10, where I was like, this guy's had an awesome story.

Like you talked about the recruiting profile, Rhode Island to Oregon as a starter and a really damn important part of that team, and he'll be a damn important part of that offensive line this year. So Connerly, I have at four. And this is maybe the most interesting player we're going to talk about today because I haven't six, four, three, oh five, which is not very large for a left tackle. Yeah.

But wait. So he's a former top 40 recruit, five-star recruit. Yep. Started all 14 games at left tackle as a true sophomore for Oregon last year. This guy is very athletic and very explosive. And you could see why he was a five-star recruit and a big deal. He's so athletic and explosive that he is really dictating a lot of the reps by how quickly he gets into his pass sets. Like he's the, he's first man off the ball. I'm ready. Like bring what you got light, light feet,

great lateral agility to mirror. Like, if you're twitched up and you're trying to cross his face or kind of rush at speed on the outside, he can keep up with that kind of rusher. And I think what I really liked about him is that there was times where I saw him reset his hands mid-rep to gain leverage, where he was engaged, first move hit, and he kind of – and clearly, these Oregon guys are clearly coached very, very well. Because when you look like Cornelius technique, phenomenal, by the way.

I should have stated that when we were talking about him. Like he, honestly, he wins with technique and brains more than physical ability. If I needed somebody, I know I have Connerly above Cornelius. He's one spot above him. Cornelius is better. If I was like, hey, I need one game. I need one game from you right now. I would pick Cornelius to block for me.

I would pick him over Connerly right now. I agree. But why I have Connerly at four is so much of the NFL draft game is projecting traits. And Connerly just has traits that you saw the green light come on at times last year. Like, don't get me wrong. He needs to get stronger in his lower half. That is weakness point number one for me. He's got to get stronger in his lower half.

He is still learning how to sustain blocks in the run game. A lot of the blocks are get to the point or land there. But I didn't see that consistent like finishing mentality or the ability to drive guys out of the way all the time uh i just thought he can arrive with more force on the move in the run game but you're explosive you're athletic you're gonna get there okay now detonate someone because when we talk about some of the top guys in this class like it's c4 all day yeah these guys and we already we talked about it with Emery at times. When he lands, good night. Yeah, correct.

Connerly, it's all there for Connerly. There's going to be people, I think, that come out of summer scouting and think Connerly is a top two tackle in this class in terms of NFL projection. He just needs to put it on the field this year for Oregon. And the good news is he's a true junior right now. This is a young player.

This is a player that has all the ability in the world. It's just kind of putting some of those inconsistencies, in my opinion, the power element to his game together. And another year in this program, I think he's going to add that strength to his lower half. I think he'll get better as a run blocker, but how much better can he get is the big question. But when you just look at the actual profile

and what he was able to do throughout the course of a season and pass protection, I think it's all there. There's a lot of tools with Connerly. I have him at seven. The guy who came to mind when I was watching him, Jason Spriggs from Indiana. I felt like the strength and weaknesses of what I was writing down with Connerly, how it was just so much,

like what a great athlete. This dude is similar build. Both of these guys went off of athleticism. Spriggs ended up being a second round pick to the, to the Colts, I believe. Right. I mean,

it went to the Colts. No, he was a Packers Packers. Yeah, no, he was, he was the Packers. He was the Packers.

He was like 298 pounds. He was like, yeah, he was lighter, but I mean, Connerly's listed at what? 305. Yeah. Once again, it's a guy that's listed at what? 305. 305.

Yeah. Once again, it's a guy that's got to get bigger and stronger. Yes. So I think that that's a conversation that we're going to have later on in this show when we talk about some guys that are in my top five. It's like, hey, these guys have to get stronger. Because, yeah, you look at Connerly. I think the two things that really stand out for me is run blocking grade in man gap concepts,

59.7 run blocking grade in zone 65.6. Those got to be higher. Like the, the floor as a run blocker has to be higher in order for him to get drafted where his athletic ceiling kind of hints for him to get drafted at, you know, the weaknesses that they kind of, they kind of echo a lot of what you already said. He's way too easy to bull rush right now. And I think his game is just lacking anticipation. He's reacting way too much instead of anticipating.

And even with his good athleticism, I can see that on tape. So that's, now look, one year started last year. He's not a finished product. There's certainly a lot of room for him to grow and he could be on the perfect timeline to show us that next year maybe it's even the year after we'll see but there's a lot to like about this dude um i read that in in high school he actually started his career as a running back and as a freshman before moving i believe it

immediately to the offensive line as a sophomore in high school. So that's what we're talking about. The type of athlete this dude is. He also played basketball. So he's got that multi-sport background, but he is also somebody who there's a couple of guys on this list, too many penalties last year, eight total penalties from them. Six of them were false start penalties, which kind of goes into that anticipation. I think he's, he's thinking too much right now. It's not, it right now it's not it's it's not enough of the game is second nature to him i think sometimes he gets in his own head he freaks himself out but a lot to like about him as an athlete but that's ultimately why i had him at

number seven and you had him at number four i'm glad you brought up the penalties that was my biggest issue with jack nelson by the way getting back to wisconsin nelson i think had 13 penalties last year basically every game he has a hold and or a false start. And eventually it's, yeah, it can, you know, with Connerly, he's still an ascending player. With Nelson, you'd like to see that as experienced as he is to kind of die down. I was loud about that with J.C. Latham a year ago.

I think it got better throughout last year, but, you know, just things that you want to keep an eye on. Emory Jones, by the way, zero holding calls, only two penalties all year. One of them was a false start, and one of them was an illegal block. Because when he arrives, he just Mike Tysons your ass. He just punches you right in the throat, and you're done. That actually should be the comp.

It's just Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson, but a tackle. Emory Jones. should be the uh the comp it's just mike tyson mike tyson but a tackle emery jones so my number five is anthony belton from nc state okay three where's belton yeah belton i had an 11 oh so you had been way down there okay i had him right behind cornelius well i was wondering like it was gonna be one side of the spectrum or the other. Like, either he was going to be in your top three or he was going to be not even close. So he ends up being not even close.

So I'm higher on Belton than you are. Yep. Be honest with me. Is it just because of the Mekhi Becton thing? I knew you were going to ask it. Is your Jets heart now just looking at Anthony Belton and like, I can't do it. It doesn't work. You're not going to fool me again.

If you're approaching 350, you're out for me. No, it's not. I mean, he has some of the same problems, but it's not. He 348 is a big number, by the way. It's a big number. He's 65 and five eights 348. So it's not like he 348 is a big number, by the way. It's a big number. He's six, five and five. It's 348. So it's not like he's six, eight, 348.

He's he's a large human at left tackle. His nickname's Escalade, by the way. Oh, phenomenal. His teammates call him Escalade. Phenomenal. Did you know? I'll save it because we're going to get to him. Never mind.

I have a good I have a funny nickname. One coming up. Escalade is. Oh, my goodness. It's perfect, isn't it? It're going to get to him. Never mind. I have a good, I have a funny nickname one coming up. Escalate is, oh my goodness. It's perfect, isn't it? It's perfect. It's phenomenal. I don't want to do the whole like, well, he's got to play guard because I think we all, we do, we do do that a lot.

I know I'm guilty of it. You have big ass guard. You're right. Colossal build. He, once again, another phone booth guy to me. A couple of things that just scared me with him he surrendered 23 pressures last year it's hard for him to recover or readjust his body in pass pro when the rep is a true pass set like it's long i wrote i literally wrote in parentheses

it's the equivalent of a dump truck making a k turn like it's just if the rep gets long i didn't think it was that slow i see what you're saying i didn't think it was that when he's on an island and the rusher can change directions it's like oh boy he's 350 pounds 350 pounds doesn't oh it's not like a marius not everybody moves like a marius Mims, right? Or even Latham to his credit at times last year. It's just the bendy, flexible speed rushers get under him and around that outside shoulder. Well, I'll tell you what he's got to do. The hands have to be way more precise because right now they're not.

I said the hands get so wide. Way too wide. It's the tackle from BYU last year that went to the Chiefs. Oh, Kingsley Suomataia. Suomataia. He was a very, very wide handed pass protector.

Yes. Yes. And like Tyler Guyton was kind of guilty of this as well. Guyton's obviously a different style here, but like that to me. So I think I'm probably giving because everything that you said I do agree with the deficiencies I see them all on tape I think the reason why I've got him at five is because it's like okay you're they don't they don't necessarily teach six foot six

250 pounds to tackle and I think he's got the athleticism to be able to survive out of tackle so that all of a sudden puts you in a pretty rare category right there where I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt because you got that unique build if he can get his hands on guys the way that he needs to you start mitigating a little bit of that but right now the hand placement's all over the place and it's just like you said He's just getting exposed way more than he should. It is. It leaves you wanting more. That's the Anthony Belton experience for me, where I was like, man.

I thought, honestly, I found a couple, like a lot of the guys I had, were just more destructive run blockers while not carrying that mass. know Emery for sure being one of them another guy that we're going to talk about shortly it's Belton's every bit of like an NFL like I watched him and I ranked him he was 11th for me and I once again think this tackle class is good uh but he I just I think he'll get carved up in the NFL as a as a pass protecting tackle if he doesn't take some big strides this year. And honestly, I don't like doing this, but it's really part of the answer to me looked like play at 330. Sure. Honestly, 20 pounds. I think he'll be I think it'll look a lot different.

I really do. Hmm. Yeah, it's easier said than done. It's not it's not easy. Maybe I do have a guy back in a scarring. I really might. I need to go talk to someone. Yeah. See somebody professionally. Yes. Lord knows it's not me. No. Yeah. So I think I see a lot of that as well. He had a lot of penalties to eight penalties, five false starts, three offensive, three offensive holding calls. Um, yeah, the past blocking grades were not as good as they needed to be. Yeah. This is somebody who had the opportunity to come out last year. You know, he's a red shirt senior going into this year. Um, but he didn't. And I think he didn't because he probably got NFL grades back and feedback from

last year's draft class. And they're like, Hey, you, you gotta be way more consistent. Um, but man, I mean like the journey, you're a fan of the journey, right? Zero star offensive tackle in the 2019 recruiting class. He actually started as a wide red. He started as a wide receiver. Then he had a growth spurt in middle school, played linebacker, eventually moved the offensive line because he was a zero star recruit.

He ended up going to Georgia Military Academy. Shout out. We've talked about them already here in summer scouting. Played 11 games to offensive tackle there didn't have a covet season and he hopped over to uh to nc state where he's been playing ever since so there's there's definitely things that he needs to clean up but i i if i'm telling you man if he gets his hands right and something something that i that I noted, the very first weakness that I have with him is his hands are at the ready. But with as much power as he has in his upper body, I wish he'd be more assertive to dictate the contact. And I wonder if he doesn't do that because he doesn't trust where he's punching these guys, where the hands are going. And if you give me that, I mean, that's the stuff that I,

going back to Fuanga and Darnell Wright, that's the stuff that I loved about those guys. They're strong, but they're taking the fight to you. Right. I love, like, patience is also good. Like, you're going to hear us talk about patience, I think, especially in our top three with some of those guys that are there. But there are times, especially when your style is a strong dude brother take the fight to them yeah dictate the

contact especially if you know that you're maybe can't mirror as well as an athlete and get them off their game it's like pressing a wide receiver right make them uncomfortable bump them off the route dictate everything yeah and I I think that Anthony beltland's got the ability to do that i just want to see it more from him uh so who is well i guess we gotta i was two ahead of you because five for me was emory jones four was connerly so okay we're up on four for you so i'm up at four this is josh simmons for me okay i'm glad we i'm glad we got here this is my nickname joke by the way did you catch this what that is they call him jimmy yeah just because there's so many joshes on the team ridiculous ridiculous name i mean imagine if i had another podcast co-host named trevor so i just called you tommy hey like your name's not to Tommy. No one's ever called you that,

but like, yeah, it's too many. You're trying to go, you know, you need to go beyond that. Just be like, all right,

uh, there's two Travers here. So we're going to call you Danny. You're like, wait, what? I was dying laughing when I saw that. I almost felt disrespected for him.

I almost, you know, I don't know how to take that either. Right? Like, it's like, are you not good enough to still be josh or are you josh simmons now like were you jimmy when you got there because he transferred from san diego state right right and now it's like he walks back this year and he's like what's up fuckers it's josh and they're like yeah you know what you're right i'm jimmy now the other josh is jimmy

it's like when the nfl players you know like we've been pronouncing their name a certain way for like 10 years and like nope now it's this yeah it's actually kelse after he had like eight all pros and everybody's like, oh, damn. What are we going to do? And he takes it real personally too. You know, he's like, don't call me Josh anymore. He's Jimmy. Yeah.

Like that's it. Maybe watch Jimmy Butler in the playoffs one time. He's like, that's it. I'm Jimmy. I'm Jimmy now. I'm Jimmy now. What do you like about Jimmy? He goes straight up to Ryan Day.

He's like, yeah, you need to change my name on the depth chart. It's Jimmy. He's like, what? He's like, I said what I said. I won't repeat myself. And he just walks out of the door. Instantly walks away. He's like, all right, what am I going to do?

Yeah, that's actually, yeah, I respect that. Plus starter for us. All right. So Josh Jimmy Simmons from Ohio State. Six foot five, 310 pounds, a little bit lighter. That's the 30th percentile for both of those numbers. You mentioned it. He was at San Diego State first.

He was a three-star offensive lineman coming out of high school from the state of California. Ends up going to San Diego State. Redshirted his first year. Started all 13 games at right tackle in 2022. Then he transferred over to Ohio State last year. He started all 13 games at left tackle. Connor, this is a good football player. It is, yeah.

I watched one game of him, and I wrote down so many things that I liked about him. Not that he's a perfect player, but so many things that I liked about him. Here's the strengths of this guy. Stance and base are wide and strong pre and post snap. So when he's sitting there and also while he is moving, he can stay squatted. He can stay balanced. His base is so hard to get around. Fantastic balance.

He can slide and mirror while he is in that squatted position. Consistently low pad level, which I also love. Adequate length for the NFL level. Footwork is quick. The slide length is long and adequate. Competitive player who plays through the whistle. Really good footwork when he is anchoring. You know, he's 310 pounds, and there's some lighter offensive line. We talked about Connerly.

We're going to talk about blake miller but it's like like he's 310 which is like i said 38th percentile for offensive tackle i don't see him get bull rushed that much no because because he starts low he slides low he's got great core strength he's got great lower body strength and when you get into his chest to bull rush him he immediately he can sink his hips back. He can shuffle his feet and get them wide where he needs to. And he will angle your momentum straight up. For a guy who's 3'10", he did not get bull rushed nearly as much as I thought he was going to be, which I thought I was going to write down his weakness.

Because instead, I think he's got really fast hands. You mentioned, I can't remember who it was, but I think it was Connerly you were talking about where he'll hit you like he'll hit you with an initial punch defensive lineman will break it he'll be like oh okay well I'm coming back for more like that ain't it like we're like he is the hands are constantly moving he's all over these guys I just there are so many things that I really liked about Josh Josh Simmons I think that he can be a starting caliber offensive tackle at the NFL level. I truly do. I'm with you. I mean, obviously you're a little higher on him than me.

I think that I just came away like wishing he was a little bit bigger, but he's someone to me where, I mean, talk about the road, San Diego State under Brady Hoke, right tackle, and then you show up at Ohioio state and you're just starting left tackle and you play at the level he played at it's wildly impressive he just how smooth he is yup and you nailed it the way he lands on targets in the run game how explosive off the ball he is and wants to finish his blocks i think there's some times where power, I think it was against Rutgers. I saw power kind of give him some issues. So I just wonder if that's, you know, an adjustment level coming from the level he went at all the way to Ohio State.

He is one of those guys that I need to get stronger. And there's another player here that I will mention that as a big time. I know exactly where you're going. But if you tell me that he's going to get stronger, I'm in, I'm in on so much of the rest of what this guy brings to the table. Cause you're right. It's like some of the negatives that I have here doesn't have true displacement strength in the run game. You know, he didn't have as strong of, of a run blocking numbers as I wish that he had. Um, But again, if you are telling me that this guy can get stronger, there is so much that I like about him and I just love the competitiveness

that he has. So Timmons is somebody that I'm obviously a big fan of. Yeah. I'm a big fan of his potential. All right. So time to jump into three, right? Our top three.

Yep. All right. The toughest name to read on this list. Oh, at three jonah savaniya okay naya i've heard it the problem is i did watch videos of people pronouncing his name and i've heard it two different ways i written it down savaniya but i think there's a little bit something at the end i think there's a little i think there's a little you know a little a little flare at the end stava naya naya naya we'll get there we will either way i mean really impressive 653 30 he's a junior at arizona started all 2022 at right guard and then last year he played both right guard,

but mostly right tackle. Trevor, I already built like a Hummer. Like built like an H2. Sure. Yeah. Like this guy gets eight miles to the gallon for sure. But it's cool. Like it looks cool.

And it's going to plow through everything in sight. He plays with such a wide base and strong anchor. Yeah. This was a little bit like watching Talisa Fuanga when guys tried to power rush him, where it was like, yeah, it's just not going to work. He's not going anywhere at all. Love how he plays with that wide base.

The initial run blocking, like Emery Jones, that punch, there's a jolt to defenders. You kind of see them shake a little bit when he lands his punch in the run game. I was blown away by the foot speed, considering he's carrying 330 pounds. I'm not saying he's going to run a 4'9", but when they ask him to get to the second level,

I mean, he gets there. He absolutely gets there, and he, going back to some of the guys that are true c4 in the run game he detonates linebackers when they want him to pull like there's one block against usc where i was like holy shit like he just he just lined a guy up and it was effortless absolutely effortless i think there's times in this zone run game where the hand placement needs to improve to sustain those blocks rather than just trying to clobber everyone's head off every time. But and I don't know if he's, you know, a high end guard prospect or a tackle prospect. I liked what I saw a tackle last year, but I think I love what he is a guard with that build.

But I think he could play tackle. But this dude, Arizona's got players on offense. They got players on offense, NFL players. And him coming in at tackle three for me, what he does in the run game and how strong he is as a pass protector, really, really good stuff. So he's a guard for me. Okay.

Like he's outside of my top eight basically because a lot of the weaknesses that he has i think are tackle specific stuff like i i think the arm length is going to be an issue for him right um i think that makes it tougher for him even with his quick feet like it sometimes makes it makes it tougher for him to defend the outside shoulder while also defending the inside counter. It's just so much of that gets mitigated if you kick him inside. Because you talk about a guy who is an actually good conversation piece to move inside. You still have to have really quick feet to play on the interior.

Yeah. This dude has it. Especially this scheme. 100%. Now, I will say this. You are higher on him overall than me, and I think it's because you're a little bit higher on his overall strength than I am. There were times when I watched him, I totally agree with you,

just detonate somebody. If you line him up between the shoulders, I saw the USC clip that you tweeted out. It's like, oh, buddy, that'll get you fired up. You love seeing those blocks but i did think that on a play-by-play basis he didn't have that like consistent punch power and and it sounds like you kind of saw that from him more than i did so i think that's a big reason why i'm lower on him overall because that's obviously the strength of his game so if you see that even higher than I do then it makes total sense why you would project him a little bit higher and anybody out there who's watching or listening

if you watch Jonah and you and you go yeah I see power everywhere in this guy's game then you're gonna love him because there's so much else to love about him with the quick footwork and the wide base and all that stuff but outside of those true erasing blocks i didn't really see like that it like like with fuwaga it's like he put his arm on you and and that was enough like guys were going flying i didn't see that from jonah but hey maybe it's something it's it's kind of something where maybe I'm not watching the same games. Maybe I'm not watching the same stuff. That's part of summer scouting. Maybe I see a lot more of it coming up this year because if, yeah, if you tell me that

every single snap, I'm going to get a really powerful player. I'll tell you that not only do I agree with you, this guy could potentially be a pro bowl type of guard, but I'd also say you got a chance to stick him at tackle. If you ever get in a pinch and you don't have to be too worried about it because he can handle himself. So yeah, that's what I, that's what I thought of him.

We will. I mean, I will bring him up again next week when we talk interior offensive lineman, another player that, you know, he's only entering his true junior season. There's yeah.

This is the last COVID year. Like you got to make the distinction. Sometimes there's going to be 23 year old offensive lineman and there's going to be 20 year old offensive lineman and i think physically that talking point matters so much goes back to connerly like i think connerly has physical maturing to do that he will and it'll look a lot different a year or two from now yeah and i think jonah's another guy like that uh long-term play style lower run blocking grades run blocking in gap scheme 49.5 run blocking in zone 62.2 i mean if those numbers go up obviously like he had a pass blocking grade of 79.7 on true pass sets

which you know that's all right you're not dressing it up with play action or quick throws screens things like that these are like you know five step drops you actually. You're not dressing it up with play action or quick throws, screens, things like that. These are like, you know, five step drops. You actually got to block a guy. He's performing very, very well, despite having lower percentile length for an offensive tackle. So it just tells you how quick this guy is and how smart he is as a tackle. So if we get that power up, I think on a play by play basis, then I'll be more in than i am right now uh number three for me you ready for it can i guess sure blake miller no okay i don't i don't know then it's kellen banks jr okay i have played miller too wow dude sky high I I dude we should I talk about Miller before and then we talk about Kelvin Meigs Jr. I think Miller's awesome I dude he's he I get it he's small

he's got to get way bigger but like he's not 300 pounds yet I It drives me. I just can't until you get to that number. So Blake Miller, Clemson's offensive tackle. All right. Clemson's got him listed at six foot six, 310 pounds. Yeah, he's not. He's not 310 pounds. And in fact, in fact, I'm going to pull up this text message right now. Friend of the show, Owen Reese, who I will text all the time uh shrine bowl legend himself

i will text him all the time when it comes to especially like offensive linemen yeah he knows so much about offensive line play and so like you know i'll bounce you know ideas off of him sometimes i'll send him clips and i'll be like you know like am i seeing this differently and he'll be like yeah you're an idiot or but i texted him about blake miller the other day because i was like am i crazy to put this guy in my top three and i think he said he he liked him but i said to him i said to owen i just wonder if he's playing at 295 and clemson has him listed at 310 that's exactly what was happening yep They have him listed at 310. I bet he played last year at 295, which is second percentile for the position.

So I 100% get it. But there is so much to like about this guy. It's like Jason Spriggs. Dude, it is like Jason Spriggs. I think he's got a higher higher ceiling than that dude i think this you know maybe maybe i'll save the comp for another time um recruiting three-star offensive tackle played both offensive and defensive line in high school won a state championship in wrestling before high school so he's got the wrestling background that we love for offensive linemen.

He played both sides of the ball, which we absolutely love to see. This is an article from, shoot, I want to shout out the author of this article before I quote it here on the show. Chapel Fowler. So I found this from thestate.com. This is from Chapel Fowler, who wrote found this from thestate.com. This is from Chappell Fowler, who wrote this back in September 4th of 2022. On the last snap of Blake Miller's high school career,

he drew an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for driving his blocking assignment out of bounds and into offense. Because he knew it was the last play of his high school career. Started lifting with the varsity football team as a seventh grader, and he played at 6'6". It says 300 pounds, but he did not play at 300 pounds when he was an eighth grader. We know that that's not the case.

What I like about Blake Miller is really impressive movement skills. Explosive, skills, explosive, quick, balanced in control. He knows how to mirror high IQ football player, very conscious of his technique, very conscious of angles. He knows how to beat you before the ball is even snapped.

Sometimes you can tell that he studies his opponents. He studies himself. He knows everything so well, the hands they're up, they're active, they're quick but the thing i love him the thing that i love about him the most he is so patient connor the hands hit his opponent exactly when they need to exactly where they need to and sometimes that's a little bit longer in the

in the snap and in the play sometimes it's right off the bat. The handwork that he has, the understanding is so good already. Really impressive core strength to maintain his blocks, even despite being less than 300 pounds. Now the weaknesses for him. Of course, you mentioned it. The reason why he's not even in your top eight. Actually, wait. Was he sixth?

Yeah, I had him seventh. Okay, seventh. Lower weight makes him way too easy to move right now. He's on the ground all the time. Lighter frame makes him susceptible to push-pull moves, even from lighter edge rushers. I watched 240-pound edge rushers get up into his chest and ragdoll him to the side.

Admittedly, not great for my OT, too. All right? The hand is up i understand that there is so much of the game technique wise iq wise uh just the experience that he already has all of the movement skills it's so good from him that if you tell me and i fully believe so because you look at his frame, it looks like a frame that can pack on 20 more pounds. If you tell me that he's going to get stronger, significantly stronger, albeit, but if you tell me he's getting stronger, Blake Miller brings so much to the table already as just a true sophomore underclassman that we have seen on tape to not succeed at the NFL level. Again, if I could snap my fingers and have this guy playing even at

315 with that kind of strength, I'd start him in the NFL tomorrow. That's how well I think he understands offensive line play. So for him and for Kelvin Banks from Texas, who we'll talk about in a second, it was a toss-up. But I loved so much of what I saw from Miller that I just told myself, you know what? I'm going to put him at two, and I'm going to put the caveat in there, is he has to get functionally much stronger.

There's no doubt about it. But if he does, I'm in in i'm all in on this dude being a potential first round pick it's not crazy at all true junior right so put on weight and put on add play strength so i had him at seven right i mean you nailed it like the mentality plays with the ability to mirror is just phenomenal and He brought the patience, long, nimble, good feet. The balance is something that I just need to see improve. It's in the lower half. When power rushers rock him, he loses balance in that lower half.

I thought in the run game, he just found himself on the ground way too often. It's because of the lack of mass. Yep, totally. It's a big man's game on that offensive line. Blake, if you're listening to this, just do steroids. All right? That's it. Look, just do steroids.

You'll go in the top five. Do steroids. Get popped for it. Get suspended the whole year. It doesn't matter. Then get off the roids. It's fine. You'll keep the gains.

Just be smart about it. You got to do the cycle for the combine, right? Or they're you there you can't no no they're gonna test you that's why pro day home field turf just start heavy it's what you do you go to the combine you interview with teams you don't you don't weigh in you don't do anything you just interview with teams that's it you run you run because you're still 295 pounds. Yeah, sure. You do all the athletic testing, but you refuse to weigh in, which I don't know if you technically do that.

And then at pro day, like you said, Trevor, Roids, weighing at 320, just jacked out of your mind. Top five pick. Top five pick. We got an all-pro offensive tackle if that happens. If this podcast doesn't work out for us, we could be representation for prospects. No, we could be, yeah.

A consulting firm, not representation. Our consulting firm will tell your prospects to do steroids in their sophomore year so they can get it all out of their system but keep the gains there for when they're draft eligible, now all of a sudden they're freak shows. It's you and me sitting there in suits and they walk in and we have a

whiteboard with a sheet over it. We go, okay, thank you for your time today, everyone. Here's the plan. We pulled a sheet and it just says steroid, anabolic steroids.

Whoever the coach is at that point is going to give us the stepbrothers lines all right now the tuxedos are kind of fucked up it's so perfect too easy all right all right um kelvin banks kelvin banks junior from texas you got him at two i got him at three no i haven't met one oh yeah all right you got him at one tell me about him all right Kelvin Banks enters 2024 with 27 starts at left tackle under his belt in just two years of college football he is very very thick build ideal athletical athleticism. Plays with phenomenal leverage. He's consistently the low man in his pass sets. Knows how to drop his hips to really halt those speed to power attempts.

And you could see it against Dallas Turner, by the way. That's where you watch it and it's like, okay. He knows how to drop his hips and halt that speed to power from Dallas Turner. I did not think Dallas Turner had a great day against Kelvin Banks Jr. The Vikings just traded an army of assets to get Dallas Turner in the first round. Possesses just reckless power for the downhill run game. Like, the demeanor is A++. I love everything about the way this guy is mentally built for the run game.

It is just wrecking ball in the downhill run game. He throws his hands with purpose. This is exactly the conversation that I was having about Connerly, the first half of it, where he's so good on the move in the run game. And when he lands, you're like did you not you know arrive with intentions kelvin banks is athletic and lands on his targets like he wants to saw them in half um so good at absorbing contact and quickly climbing to the second level like he can help block yeah climb to the second level yeah he is such an effective player on an offensive line i i think i called it reckless power because i think the arms and

legs can be all over the place when we're walking yeah right it's a little bit of that i understand he's not the tallest guy in the world right but do you think he's got really short arms? I think he's going to come in the same way that Slater did right at the 33 and a half. Sure. Yeah. I think he's going to come in right on the fringe of some teams will be okay with it. And some teams will have their little piss pants party over it. And then, I mean, Slater was at 33 inches. So that's 29th percentile.

I think you're, you're probably right there because actually this is slater's a good i think physical comp because slater was a little over six foot four listed at 304 33 inch arms i think that that's going to be pretty close to what banks is banks is just that he's a brick house though like though like this you think he's you think he's stronger than slater i don't it's he's the raw strength is stronger slater knew how to maximize his strength there's a difference like banks is somebody that i'm sure if he just stepped into the weight room he'd just destroy everybody or just end up once again the phone booth i think slater was technically in a place that not a lot of offensive linemen are I just think that and Banks I mean let's not forget this is a really young player I thought he was in big matchups he was locked down and pass pro to me

locked down and he's figuring like the end of the year I thought the second half of the season as a run blocker, he started to figure it out that I'm just not a cannonball. I actually could play with a little bit more control. I loved him. I think he's my favorite player I've watched in our entire summer scouting. So wow, it was either him or Luther Burden. I loved him. I couldn't believe how good he was like i was just sitting there just

like wow because my number two obviously is will campbell who's a phenomenal prospect right but i was blown away by the tape that banks has put out in such a short time at left tackle for texas which is i i just he i don't think he's he's been appreciated enough at his age. He, I mean, the movement skills are phenomenal. Obviously, anytime you're a five-star, you've got to be a really good athlete. That's where a lot of these recruiting agencies, not that they're like shortcutting this,

but like in order to be a five-star, you have to be a really good athlete. You have to be able to see that. There's just not many players who were in that five-star label that aren't fantastic athletes. And when that's the case, when you're a trench player, obviously it means a lot more because you're great. You're clearly able to stand out as an athlete while being a bigger,

heavier player. So Banks is absolutely somebody who that five-star recruiting label shows up. I mean, he had a 85.0 pass blocking grade on true pass sets last year. And again, we're talking about a true sophomore. So that is just a testament to how well this guy moves. Some of the strengths that I have listed here, flexible hips, wide base, powerful wide stance, foot speed, explosiveness,

all well above average for the pro level to play offensive tackle. Can move while he's in a squatted position with a low pad level, which you love to see. Natural athleticism gives him a high zone blocking potential, really impressive balance for a player who's carrying more than 320 pounds. Like, I think that's something that you talk about him being a really good athlete. The balance that he had at three 20 to me is something that really, really stood out to me. So, you know, some of the negatives, I think he's got shorter arms.

So you're just going to have to deal with it um i i thought again like i saw banks similarly to how when we talked about jonah from from from arizona like i saw some really imposing erasing run blocking plays but there were times when it was like okay i think you're more of a finesse player right now like your your finesse game is better than your power game so that's an area where i'm still looking for him to get better uh and i think he absolutely can this is absolutely within the cards for him to be able to do that so i agree with you i think that he's a really really good offensive tackle prospect and another year of him taking another another step forward we're going to talk about this guy as a top 20, top 10 overall pick. Yeah. It's just, he's has all the makings of exactly that.

All the makings of exactly. I was trying to find a birthday for him. Not only to wish him happy birthday. I was going to say, cause I love him. What are you going to get in his DMS? Hey man, hey man, happy birthday. Just wanted to say that. I do want like he.

He'll respond. He'll be like, thanks man. Big fan of the stock exchange. Yes, he will. Thanks to ranking me number one over your co-host, Tommy. Oh, I hate you. Okay, so Will Campbell. You have him at number two.

I have him at number one. Junior left tackle at LSU. So yes, this is the second LSU offensive tackle that we're talking about here on the show. Will Campbell listed at 6'6", 320 pounds, both of those numbers above the 60th percentile for the position. At the NFL level, was a four-star offensive tackle recruit coming out of Louisiana. Like I mentioned when we talked about Emery Jones, Campbell was also one of three true freshman offensive linemen that they started in that 2022 season,

and he has started 26 games out of 26 games over the last two years. Last year, he was named a first-team All-SEC player. His father, Brian, also played offensive line, played at East Texas State University, which is now Texas A&M Commerce. His dad's nickname was Bull, which I loved, which I just kind of wanted to be like, all right, hell yeah, that's awesome. Really well-rounded player when it comes to athleticism, ceiling, technique, power.

I mean, over 800 snaps last year. Pass blocking grade, 79.1. Pass blocking grade on, pass blocking grade 79.1. Pass blocking grade on true pass sets, 78.9. Run blocking grade in man gap scheme blocking plays, 78.0. Run blocking grade in zone blocking plays, 79.6. I mean, it's just negatively graded run plays, 7.9%. That's 78th percentile. The guy's just good. He's just good at everything.

He's just really damn good at everything that comes with being an offensive lineman. Are there going to be some guys in this class that might be a little bit stronger than him? Are there going to be some players that might be a little more athletic than him? Yes and yes. But does anybody put it together, total package, like Will Campbell does at this point? No. And I still think that there's even reason to believe that he can get better in all facets. So to me, when we talk about potential in a preseason ranking, this guy's awesome. He's got more of a narrow base in his stance, which sometimes you look at that and you go, okay, do you lack flexibility here? Do you have lack of flexibility in your hip flexors or your groin? Like, is that why you have a narrow stance? But actually when you look at both him and Emory

Jones, you go, okay, LSU is teaching him this. Like this is, this is the preferred alignment pre-snap that they want from their offensive tackle. So it's more of a technique thing. Really strong and balanced coming out of his stance. Body movements are quick, compact, precise. He's always in control. He is somebody who he carries a lot of weight and i thought that he'd be a little bit more lumbering like i thought okay like he would be a little bit maybe more clumsy or the feet would be a little bit more heavy the feet are light for a player of his size i think his shoulders stay very even he's not flailing his limbs anywhere everything is just flat back with him dude it just it looks so yep it just looks good i him. It looks so good.

When the ball is snapped, he just looks like an offensive lineman who knows exactly what they're doing. He's got adequate flexibility. He's got adequate movement skills. He's got adequate strength. The hands are up. They're active. They're ready to strike with power.

He's a very patient blocker as well. The guys who are number one and number two on my list here, these are the most patient blockers that I watched. These are people who understand timing, who never panic, who are calm, who are calm in the situation and then confident in how they're going to be able to handle it. That often speaks to great anticipation and also a great understanding of not only you, but also your opponent. That's why I love Blake Miller and Will Campbell so much to have them one and two here. So some weaknesses from him. He's got a little bit higher of a pre-snap stance and his six foot six that can naturally lead to him just like losing leverage battle.

And the arm length is again, we're going to talk about it a little bit shorter than the six. I think it's 33 and a half. Yeah, I think it's going to be shorter than the six foot six height frame would suggest that maybe he has. And I think there's a little bit of a lack of flexibility in how much ground he can cover in one stride of his kick slides. But his feet, to me, are quick enough to where he makes up for it.

Again, that was a Fruanga thing for me last year. Did Fruanga have the kick stride length of a Olufashinu? No, he didn't. But his feet were so quick that he was still able to make up for it. It wasn't as quite impactful as it was for Fashinu, but he was able to make up for it. And you go, okay, we're not getting in trouble here with how maybe lack of groin flexibility or groin stretch you kind of have to be able to really reach a certain landing mark when you're doing a deep passing set. So I wasn't really worried about that with Campbell,

similarly to how I'm not too worried about it with Fuambe either. But overall, really, really impressed by this prospect. If he continues to get better this upcoming year, again, just like Kelvin Banks, top 10, absolutely in question with him. I'm with you. I mean, former five-star, doesn't turn 21 until January. The way he can keep his back flat and pass pro through the rep, stalling speed to power, head-to-toe strength, great balance,

love the balance, consistently keeps his hands inside and under pads. Trevor, I thought he was a difference maker on the goal line. It was like he cranked things up to a 10. When they got on the goal line. It was like he cranked things up to a 10. When they got on the goal line, I was like, well, I'll tell you who's going to win his assignment and run behind. It's going to be Will Campbell. That was awesome to watch. And I'm with you on the length.

That's where you get concerned. Because it's not that he might just not have the length. It's that that's what beats him. The agile rushers that can get that outside shoulder across his face. And he tries to recover, and he doesn't have the length to's that that's what beats him the agile rushers that can get that outside shoulder across his face and he tries to recover and he doesn't have the length to slow them down so he's a first him and banks to me at first rounders all day yep i my pro comp my early pro comp for will campbell is ryan ramchick i went back and i watched i thought about that and the mock draftable kind of you know linked up a little bit there and i went back and i was watching some ryan ramchick i watched some some saints footage from him but also some wisconsin footage from him and

i'm like man i feel like they're not the exact same player but they're just so reliable baseline so many areas and so that's uh that's the early player comp for me there well there we go anybody else you want to shout out oh we had a lot of guys that we did like outside of the top eight. I know what the comments are going to respond to, and I'm going to tell you right now, he's going to be in the interior offensive line group for me, even though he plays left tackle, Ernest Green III. Yep, same for me.

We'll talk about him next week. Yeah, he will not be. Yeah, we'll talk about him next week, as we said. I just didn't see him as a tackle prospect right now. Yeah, might win. Ernest Green III might win the bench press competition at the Combine. Just for the upper body strength is, to me, nuts from this guy. I will be there no matter what.

I will be there no matter what. We would love to hear from you guys as well. Actually, before I tell people that we would love to hear from them as well can you give me your top eight once again and then I will give my topic absolutely number eight was Riley Malman from Wisconsin he's their right tackle Blake Miller from Clemson Wyatt Milliam from West Virginia Emery Jones from LSU. He's their right tackle at LSU. Josh Connerly Jr. from Oregon, Jonah Savania from Arizona, Will Campbell from LSU, and Kelvin Banks Jr. was number one for me from Texas. Number eight, the Oregon right tackle, Ajani Cornelius. Number seven, his teammate, the Oregon left tackle, Josh Connerly Jr. Number six, I had Emery Jones, the LSU offensive tackle.

Number five, I had Anthony Belton, the NC State left tackle. Number four, Josh Simmons, the left tackle from Ohio State. Number three, Kelvin Maggs Jr., the left tackle from Texas. Number two, Blake Miller, the right tackle from Clemson. And then Will Campbell, the left tackle from LSU I have at number one now we would love to hear from you guys you know as always it's not just hey you got to give us a top 10 whatever even if you just want to shout out one guy shout out one guy whether it's something that we talked about here or just giving your own opinion we think that the YouTube comment section is a great place to get out your mini scouting report start

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