NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 271. Bryce Young's Future + 2025 Draft Order Outlook

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers react to the new of Bryce young being benched in Carolina. They breakdown how we got here, what it means for scouting moving forward, where Young will play next, and dig into some 0-2 teams that could have their eyes on the 2025 NFL Draft

Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, the Carolina Panthers have officially benched Bryce Young. And we tell you what that means. We dig into everything that kind of went into this situation with David Tepper and Dave Canales, going back to Frank Reich, the roster, the offensive line, the wide receivers, and the ripple effect of what is next for the Panthers and Bryce Young. We're also talking about some 0-2 teams already this season who might be destined for top 10 picks and might be a little

bit more addicted to this podcast moving forward, we hope. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Joining you guys for an emergency episode of the podcast. We told you that normally Mondays are going to be reserved for some draft notes, right? Catching up on college football, how the prospects did this past weekend. But when earth-shattering NFL draft-related news tends to break in the NFL, we got to respond to it.

We got to talk about it selfishly because we want to talk about it. And the earth-shattering news this time, Bryce Young benched in Carolina. The performance, all right, maybe not so shocking there, but holy cow, there are so many ripple effects and so much to dig into with this decision. Connor, I hope you're ready for it, man. It's not quite a fix your franchise episode yet, but what I this happening this early in the season is wild, my friend. Absolutely wild.

There's no way around it. It feels like the teaser to fix your franchise. Like when a series comes back and you see like a one scene of the main character just sitting there and and that's it in 20 seconds this is what that feels like is the writing's on the wall that we will once again be fixing the panthers this this fall i think it's one of those situations where a lot can be true, right? I think that is it weird a little bit when you just in a vacuum sit there and go, didn't they hire Dave Canales behind the premise that he was going to clean up the issues Bryce was having and develop their former massive investment into a capable starting NFL quarterback.

Maybe never. I don't think canal sat there in the, the, you know, the mission was, Hey, he's gotta be a top five guy. Like that's just not fair to anybody in football.

But after two games, it's, it's a little startling. Yeah. Now I know what people are going to say. Has he been really bad? Sure. I think what was alarming in week two was that the offensive line looks pretty good right honestly it looks really

good in my opinion and and he still does not look good but this is a league where and i know he's he flashed more in his first year, but I mean, Daniel Jones is going over 60 games like guys get a lot of chances. Yeah, they get a lot of chances. And this guy was the number one overall pick. A ton of assets were moved to get him. The coach was hired specifically for him after the last coach didn't work. A lot of the dollars were spent for him. There's a lot more to unpack here Trevor than just Bryce being bad and that's why this is such a big story that goes beyond the NFL but like you said into the NFL draft no there's no question and you know we don't necessarily like have a

show structure here for this I think we're just going to let the conversation go as it will and just give you guys a little bonus you know it's not just going to be a Panthers episode here on this show we're also going to take a look at all of the oh and two teams that we have in the nfl right now and just kind of determine hey who do we actually think is destined for a top 10 pick who you know do we think is actually going to you know bounce back and won't be picking this high in the order as it stands today so it's not just all carolina talk although that is going to be the meat and cheese of what we talk about here uh connor i it's it's a it's a two sides of the coin situation right there there's a lot of well this well that

i'm going to be honest with you i watched bryce bryce's tape from week one i've watched it in week two as crazy as it is to say this, this was the right decision. And in my opinion, this was the right decision. Now, we're going to get into Tepper and the organization and everything that's gone into this, but Bryce is without question the worst quarterback in the NFL right now. For sure.

He is so mentally broken. And I think that is the reason why i think you've got to bench him because there was always sort of this feeling of okay the team is not good enough the receivers aren't good enough the offensive line's not good enough give them them some time. And though it is a very quick hook, I will be honest, for the offensive line to play the way that they did this past week, and for Carolina to still look as horrible as they did, it's almost like you are now teetering on the line of losing the locker room very, very quickly. That's the major key of if you're behind this decision.

Right. And that's fair, by the way. Because Canales, there's a lot of things that go into this with Canales specifically. But him being a first-time head coach, he cannot sit here and just straight up lie to his players. He doesn't have the pedigree. Like, he doesn't have the resume to be like well we got to trust this guy anyways he's been there he's been successful all that kinds of stuff so if he were to sit here and continue to trot Bryce out there

and say that he is their best chance to win games because remember it's not just about Bryce Young though him being saved as the face of the franchise is important coaches are trying to save their jobs players around the roster are trying to save their jobs. Players around the roster are trying to save their jobs. They're trying to continue NFL careers. And if you've got this guy at the very top as your head coach and this leader who is actively putting you in a bad position to lose football games, you're going to lose the locker room extremely quickly. So the timing of it is very accelerated.

But unfortunately unfortunately it's looked so bad in my opinion that you had to make this, you had to make this move. You had to make this move. I don't know. What did you, what do you think though? Well, I think that's the selling point of the move. And that is something that it's very hard for people outside of the organization to quantify. And the reason, not to make it sound like I have a PhD in this, but I've covered a very similar situation over the years with Zach Wilson and the Jets. I mean, you might have a PhD in it at this point. I'm going to be honest with you. it felt like we had for many weeks on Jets post game because you have a fan base that there was many times they were yelling for Mike White. There was many times they were yelling for literally

anybody else. I mean, last year they tried a Tim Boyle and Trevor Simeon out there. It's Joe Flacco at times. The conversation we always had was that it's hard to sometimes digest if you're not there. Is that these are grown men with jobs and families and a lot of different variables. And that can combust. And if you allow that to combust, which Canales was clearly trying to get out in the forefront of this. There's no way around it. This is early. I watched this drag on for many more weeks with the zach wilson situation in various years and it's oh it's crazy to me from what i've watched of bryce at least sack

was very athletic there was a few times where he'd run around and maybe make a throw i just i see nothing working for bryce right now he's not athletic enough to do that. He is just not confident even in a clean pocket. He doesn't even look accurate. Like where did that go? His calling card being a top quarterback. So if, if he is spiraled out of control where all of the talent is just not adding up to anything right now, like it feels like it's gone and he's not physically gifted. He's not like Anthony. Look at Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson has a,

and that's an extreme example, but you get the point when Anthony Richardson has a bad game that he can't hit a throw. Well, sometimes he could just tuck it and run for 20 yards on any given play, right? Or he could hit one 60 yard throw that changes. Look at will Levis against the jets last weekend.

We'll let us had, we'll let us gave the game was giving the jet keeping the Jets in the game in the first half, and he made a huge touchdown throw, a bomb of a touchdown throw to Calvin Ridley. That's a big-time play. So Bryce doesn't have any of these physical things to fall back on anymore. So back to the Zach Wilson case. When the locker room does combust, like that's it.

You don't get that back as a coach typically. And I would imagine this team looked at this and said, we can't win with him. Like when guys take the field, knowing that they don't have a chance to win because of who's under center. That's a death sentence. That's a death sentence. It's a death sentence. And it's dangerous in the NFL. It can get, because if players are checking out,

then it's going to get coaches fired. It's going to get all kinds of different people fired. It's going to have other players that are playing for their careers. Start to, you know, spiral towards it. It's just a powder keg of a situation. And Canales is looking at this probably thinking i

got one shot in the nfl to be a head coach okay and i know i was brought here to fix this guy but if the reality is mentally and physically he is not equipped to take the field in the nfl as a starting quarterback and to be like with the proof is there from the two i'm sorry it's awful but if the proof is there what do you think the spread sorry. It's awful, but the proof is there. What do you think the spread would be set if Bryce Young was starting against the Raiders? They might be 10-point underdogs against the Raiders. Yeah, and I wondered that when the Chargers game ended. I remember one of the very first times I just was understanding what lines and spread were.

I was young. I was reading the sports paper on a Sunday with my dad sitting on the porch. And I remember it was Peyton Manning's Indianapolis Colts. And I think they were playing the Houston Texans, or maybe it was the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think it was a divisional game. And one of those teams was so dog shit bad that the Colts were favored by 18 and a half. And I said to my dad, I was like, why is this line way bigger than all of the other ones? And my dad was like, well, because the Jags are really bad and they need a lot of points to make it worthwhile to bet against them. And I was I had flashbacks to that yesterday while I was watching the Panthers, because I was like, the Panthers are going to be we're going to start seeing college spreads you know how like you know 28 and a half yeah like stuff now we we weren't gonna get we we will never get to 28 and a half like for an nfl team like

it's just never gonna happen but you are going to start to see 15 16, 18 point spreads for the Carolina Panthers. And at that point, the league's like looking at you like, dude, something's going. Now, this sort of brings Tepper into this conversation, right? The owner of the Carolina Panthers, who for as much as I think that Tepper has been plenty impatient before and has kind of made emotional decisions, this one I do think is the right one.

And make no mistake, Dave Canales can say whatever he wants at the podium, like, hey, it was my decision, you know, we kind of like, we moved it up the ladder of decision-making, all that. You don't bench the quarterback without David Tepper's approval. Certainly the one that you paid all that draft capital to go get. This is a David Tepper signed, sealed, and approved decision, and I wouldn't even be surprised if david tepper maybe initiated the conversation into making this happen so when you look at the

panthers with the the whole like tepper idea involved very clearly this was a horrendous spot for any quarterback maybe c. Stroud saves this situation and it looks, well, certainly it would look better because Stroud is better. How much better? I don't think the C.J. Stroud that we're seeing in Houston would be the C.J. Stroud in Carolina. I don't think that situation was the same.

But you look at Bryce's situation, horrendous receivers, horrendous offensive line for most of it. You had Frank Reich as your head coach. Frank Reich was calling plays to start the season. Then they went 0-6. Then they gave it to the offensive coordinator. Then Frank Reich took it back.

Then Frank Reich got fired. Now you're bringing in Dave Canales. Now he's a brand new play caller, and you're already pulling Bryce after two games because of it. The situation, not ideal. We are allowed to say all of that and still say,

and still say, which is the important part to remember. Bryce individually looked so bad amongst all of that. You talk about all the chances that Zach Wilson got, all the chances that Justin Fields got, all the chances that justin fields got all the chances that that that daniel jones has gotten bryce's film is worse than all of them and that is a big issue because going back to what you said you could read every

single scouting report even of the people myself included who had bryce young as the number one overall player in that draft class and And every single scouting report, even for the people that had him at the very top, told you the same things. One, strengths. Assassin with his mind. Elite anticipation. Phenomenal ball placement.

Understands and sees the game at a slowed down speed that is truly incredible. The weaknesses, we all listed him. If he doesn't win with his mind, he doesn't have the legs to do it. He doesn't have the arm to do it. He is not physically gifted enough to do it. And he, I got some PFF stats for you here because I was actually sad about Bryce Young. All right.

So I went back and I watched some Alabama tape of him and I was like, what? Can I go see? Can I go see good Bryce Young again and I watched a couple of games of Bryce and the middle of the field stuff was always going to be a struggle for him he's 5 foot 10 right it was always going to be tough to hit over the middle of the field so that conversation was always going to be a challenge for him no matter what but in Alabama he still hit down the sidelines outside the numbers incredibly well out routes corner routes slot fades because he trusted to be able to hit the outside and

i'm not just talking about the quick stuff either 10 yards 15 yards 20 yards down the field he's attacking the sidelines he's attacking outside the numbers connor he's so bad in that area he's 19th in the nfl right now in total attempts outside the numbers. Connor, he's so bad in that area. He's 19th in the NFL right now in total attempts outside the numbers beyond five yards. He's 20th in completions outside the numbers. He's got the third lowest passing grade outside the numbers beyond five yards.

So now that part of his game does not even exist. And unfortunately, you're left kind of grasping at straws of what does he have to hang his hat on? And I just don't think there's anything there, unfortunately. No. And this opens the conversation, right, of evaluating quarterbacks.

Is it possible to have a guy as a top quarterback in a class when he's exactly what you just said in this era, a guy that wins with his mind and doesn't necessarily have physical gifts to fall back on when things get tough. And I think of a lot of the young quarterbacks in this league that have developed. And the thing is, there are guys on the other side of it. I feel like Burrow, Burrow's bigger than Bryce.

There's no way around it. Much, yeah. Burrow was a guy that, like, you knew Burrow wasn't going to run for 60 yards on you. And he didn't have the biggest arm as a prospect. He had a good enough arm, Joe Burrow. But you knew Joe Burrow could throw with anticipation, was absolutely brilliant seeing the field. It just makes you wonder how we're going to gravitate towards prospects like this that are undersized and do have to win with mental warfare. Will they be knocked down consistently going forward?

And it's funny to me because I remember when Baker Mayfield's year, there was a big combo around Baker because he was considered a smaller quarterback. I think he's barely above six feet. Yeah, right. He's a smaller quarterback. And honestly,

a guy that still to this day, he's had a great start to the season and Baker's only getting better. It's awesome. It's awesome to watch, but still not a guy that, you know, if everything's not like if things are bad around him, he's not going to run away from pressure like a magician and make these miracle plays over and over again. Baker in a clean pocket will just tear you up. Baker's in a structure right now that is perfect for him, and he's gotten better in so many different ways but it's with Bryce it just makes you wonder how quarterbacks that aren't overly physically gifted will be

devalued in drafts going forward because I'll tell you right now like this quarterback class there's going to be a couple guys like that that I just don't think are physically imposing at all and aren't very creative runners and are going to be viewed at probably outside like a lot of people expect them to go early and i just don't know if that'll be the case from the league i feel like there's going to be at the very least a bryce young threshold now moving forward right that's the like the minimum right right yeah where it's like no one's going to because you know spencer rattler is a little bit smaller of a quarterback you know like you said baker mayfield joe burrow is a little bit

smaller of a quarterback but like those guys are still much bigger than what bryce was there is now going to absolutely be some sort of bryce young threshold where like noah fafita yeah and i mean like fafita obviously i didn't think fafita wasn't talked about like Bryce was. But no, Fafita. What if he did have this magical year? And he looks what that would be the combo. Right. And he looked great last year. And, you know, it's kind of like tempting.

You watch him play last year and it's a little bit tempting for you. But we're just we're not going to talk about a quarterback like that ever again. I mean, it's a scouting. I don't I don't think so. By a lot of people. And it really was the science of Bryce Young and sort of just how he's going to change the NFL draft moving forward is, I don't think that anybody who liked Bryce Young,

like myself included, I don't want to speak for everybody, but I don't think that anybody who liked Bryce Young thought that he was going to be able to dominate the league physically. I mean, that just wasn't in his scouting report. But I think everybody looked at him and said, if anybody's going to make it with these measurables, it would be the kid that we saw at Alabama. He was supposed to be an outlier.

Now, here's the thing. Anybody who brings up Kyler, they're completely different quarterbacks. It's not even close. Kyler is built so much more athletically. He has so much of a bigger arm. They just happen to both be short. Bryce doesn't have anywhere near the physical tools

that Kyler Murray did. And we talked about that pre-draft. But again, this was a draft class where, again, I'll raise my hand up for this certainly have no problem doing that i said to myself if anybody is going to be able to make it as a short quarterback it's going to be bryce young and if he doesn't then you got to stop betting on these guys it's just not going to happen it's not in the cards and right now it very very clearly is telling us that it's not going to happen and that's not something that you could do in scouting, 100%.

I wonder what's next for him. Because Andy Dalton is going to play better than he is going to. Because I said this on the PFFNFO show. If we're now being completely honest, at no point in his time in Carolina has Bryce Young been the best quarterback on the team because andy dalton's been there the whole time and i think andy dalton's better than him very clearly without the progress that we've seen without a doubt so what happens with bryce now i don't i don't know if bryce plays for carolina again because you don't make this

decision thinking that you're going to go back to him. Cause that's, that would, that would be asinine to me. No. So I don't know if he ever plays again for Carolina. And then I think some people would say, and this is a part that I would love to hear from people comment on what you think Bryce Young's trade value is right now. Cause I would love to crowdsource that and hear from the loyal addicts of the show and what they think because just to remind you guys Zach Wilson went for a seventh Trey Lance went for a fourth Justin Fields went for a sixth and Mac Jones went for a sixth I'm pretty sure all of those quarterbacks were at this point in time held in higher regard than what Bryce Young is right now around the NFL. And they're getting traded for sixth and seventh round picks.

I don't even know if Bryce Young has trade value right now. I'm going to be completely honest with you. I have no idea where he plays next year because it's not going to be in Carolina. But I don't even know if they can get trade value for him. No, I don't. I don't even know if they can get trade value for him. No, I don't. I don't think you can get anything. You got to remember, he's playing on a contract of number one overall pick. So right.

But which is obviously a. Rookie capped contract, but still like he's not even worth that clearly. It's still number one overall pick money for those wondering because we do do the whole rookie contract, and yes, it's not the $55 million that just gets handed out to every starting quarterback right now per year, but Bryce's cap hit this year was $8.62 million. It's not nothing.

Next year, it's $10.3. The year after that, it's $12. It's not nothing. That's a really good point by you. That's number two wide receiver money right there so or number one superstar running back money so and i know it gets messy because with contracts like that a lot of the guaranteed money is paid out because of the signing bonus involved but the point is and with fields and zach wilson

and mac jones trevor they had been in the league a couple years it's two games into his second year yeah of his contract i don't but if you're bryce's people like you have to be doing everything you can to start rebuilding him anywhere else but carolina right now right so that's why i i do not think he's on the carolina panthers to start next season i don't know how he gets elsewhere i've got to reach out to a good friend of the program brad spielberger to like you said sort of see what's the cat what's the contract implications if they were to cut him because at this point, they're going to eat a lot of dead money.

Whether they cut or trade him, the Panthers are on the hook because of the signing. But that's kind of what I'm saying. Is he going to get cut at this point? As opposed to even getting traded for anything? If they cut him right now, I think they'd carry over the next three years combined over $ 30 million in dead money so then what does like and they'll probably have to take that no matter what but i gotta ask brad what does the next team carry of his yeah not much but enough that it would he doesn't really have any trade value. It was what it looks like to me. But yeah, Brad will have a better answer than me

because I'm just an idiot behind a mock draft machine. But from what I'm understanding on over the cap, if they were able to trade him, they'd still carry over $18 million in dead money. So I'm assuming that a team trading for him does carry a couple million per year, which is not... I'm assuming that a team trading for him does carry a couple million per year, which is not like Bryce Young is a flyer for someone right now and nothing more.

Right. But nothing more. But here's the thing. And this is another conversation that I was having with somebody. You really want Bryce Young as your backup? No. No. Absolutely not.

No, you don't. I don't think the season's over if it comes down to that. Again, this sounds like extremely harsh, but I do not know what his path to staying in the NFL is at this point for how bad it has gotten. It almost feels like a reality might exist where, like, he's got to go play in the xfl for a couple years and hopefully look like an absolute world beater and then and then get signed to an nfl team again and say and be able to say see i told you it was carolina it wasn't me which sounds insane

for me to say i'm trying not to be hyperbolic about the situation, but you know what the craziest one is? And it's not going to happen. But the craziest one, because of where things stand right now, is the Miami Dolphins. Sure, but they like Skylar Thompson. He's been there. They've been developing him as a backup. They added Tyler Huntley, who is a very capable backup. They just cut Mike White this summer.

Mike White is 10 times the NFL quarterback that Bryce Young is right now. That's the one that I think is the best for Bryce. I don't think Miami would have any interest in that. I think Miami could have interest because of Tua's health, right? Sure. You don't know what the long-term... I don't think they're bringing in bryce young to like compete with two or anything but if no no no no this is me saying that two is out for the

year which we don't know right let me be fair i'm saying right the only way that happens is if they know that and we don't know like hey two is not playing football but when he's not retiring but would miami even do that to even upset the balance of the guy they just gave a massive contract to? I don't think so. I think they're only doing that if Tua is going to retire. Exactly. Yes, this is a very, there's a very slim chance of all of this. I'm like, Trevor, I'm digging under the couch looking for coins right now trying to answer your question. That's what I'm doing.

That's the best I came up with. I'm going through every roster right now and thinking, who has just abysmal backup quarterback situations? All right, so I'm going to challenge the addicts here. First of all, I want to say that the amount of comments that you guys flooded on our show with cornhole versus bags, I love you all. That was so hilarious to read just for almost an hour,

all of these comments. And I think we got over 500 comments. Y'all mobilized and are just, I mean, this is like the most fun I have every week, doing this show, getting to talk with you guys, getting to read the comments. It's just, I'm having a blast. So this time, I'm genuinely curious here.

This is not like trying to break the comments record, although we could. What do you think that Bryce Young's trade value is right now? And then you guys tell me, where is he to start the 2025 NFL regular season? And if you think it's on an NFL team, tell me what NFL team it's on. If you think we're crazy

and he's still going to be on the Panthers, let us know. If you think it's going to be a CFL or an xfl team let us know because i think it could be anything in between i think what are our what are our answers i don't know if our final i don't i don't know if he plays in the nfl again i'm going to be honest with you wow Wow. Yeah. Because simply, and I'm not necessarily 100% giving up on Bryce himself, but at this point, I don't know who gives him a chance right now. And maybe I'm crazy. Maybe it's like, duh, somebody's going to trade for the former Heisman Trophy winner

and number one overall pick. You idiot. But when I look at it right now, how many GMs even want Bryce Young there? Maybe it's a lot more than I think, but it's, I mean, the tape has been bad, man. And I feel for the kid. I feel for him because here's the thing. This version of Bryce Young looks nothing like the version that we saw at Alabama. This would be so much easier to count as a scouting L if we were seeing the Bryce Young version of Alabama in the NFL

and it's simply he did not have the physical tools to be able to do it. But mentally, he looks so broken that I can't even evaluate him like that. And that's a bummer. The problem that I have with picking an actual spot is the money aspect. Because I thought of, you know, remember a couple years ago, the Rams at the end of the year just brought in a Baker Mayfield to get a look at him.

And he obviously played. But I don't even know if a team can't just bring Bryce to get a look at him because there's going to be some money in play here. So it's going to take a couple injuries to one team, and it's going to take that team being okay with the money aspect that we will get full clarity on from Brad. So there's multiple layers that still have to

happen here and why it can't happen this week because that's it's got to be a team that just wants to get a look at him but it's okay with the money aspect and i also i also wonder how quickly the panthers want to move on from it right like did they make this decision and now is tepper and the gm like hey let's let's get a move on this like let's hey we obviously whiffed here let's get him off the team before the deadline because we don't want this back and forth i don't even know i don't even know how desperate they are at this point but ultimately i think to kind of like wrap up the bryce conversation before we get into some other teams. This dude won with anticipation.

He won with confidence. He won with great ball placement when he was at Alabama. None of those things are present in his NFL tape. And instead, all of his weaknesses got so much worse. He is so afraid to step up in the pocket. He's afraid to give wide receivers a chance. He won't even attack down the sidelines anymore. He is taking, he is personally taking a lot of sacks, a lot more than you should at the NFL level.

And he just, he just looks mentally broken. He's not looking in the right spots. He's not looking at the right receivers. He's afraid to take chances that you need to at this pro level. And he needs a fresh start somewhere, somehow. And unfortunately, it felt like this was inevitable after those first two games. But that's sort of where we are

and how we kind of continue to take those scouting lessons of Bryce Young, apply them to sort of the 2025 NFL draft. And Connor, I'm not going to lie. I had this thought before we recorded. I feel like Tepper is going to call somebody at the NFL level and be like,

how do I use the number one overall pick next year to buy the rights to someone who's not in the draft class yet? Because we're sitting here watching 2027 and 2026 quarterbacks look like world beaters. And I bet you Tepper has just got the gall and the stones to ask somebody, hey, how do I trade my number one overall pick in 2025 for the rights to Arch Manning? Right. Good luck to him. Carolina's down so bad right now, he's going to try to change the age requirements to get Arch Manning in the

draft class. I mean, that's literally what they need is that kind of star presence under quarterback to turn that thing around. It's just, it's not pretty. And one last answer on the question, just looking at the fact that Jack Plummer is their practice squad

quarterback, like Bryce just might ride out the year as the backup. Maybe honestly might just ride out the year. He might. It's like at the end of the day, bryce just vernon adams this whole time vernon adams at least played confidently man vernon adams carved out a very long cfl career i know yeah we could be there right bryce young for almost 10 years bryce young could be leading team usa in that flag football olympics too you know we have better quarterbacks for that.

Look, man, I'm trying to help. The answer is not the Olympic team. Panthers fans, we love you. If we silver in flag football. Dude, don't do this. Disgrace. Don't do this. Don't do that. Panthers fans, to quote Loki from Infinity War, the sun will

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visit dkng.co slash ftball. So we still want to devote a full episode to our scouting notes that we had from this past weekend in college football. So we're going to save that to Wednesday. So to just kind of give you guys a little bit of a treat and make this not as Carolina Panthers centric, get some other interest from around the league. There are currently nine teams, 0-2 in the NFL, depending on what happens tonight, Monday Night Football, between the Falcons and the Eagles. Maybe there could be 10 if Atlanta loses and Philly wins. But, Connor, of those teams, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Indianapolis Colts, the Tennessee Titans,

the Jacksonville Jaguars, the New York Giants, the Carolina Panthers, the Baltimore Ravens, the Denver Broncos, Los Angeles Rams, who do we think is actually sort of trending towards that top 10? And who do we think? All right, they're going to be outside of the top 10 when the season's over. They'll actually get it figured out. Obviously, Carolina's one of them.

We just spent 30 minutes on that one. Right, right. It's the Giants. I mean. Looks bad. We just had one of the, we had an early toilet bowl between them and the Commanders. Holy smokes. of the we had an early toilet bowl between them and the commanders holy smokes and with the commanders at least this year is all about seeing jayden daniels because that's their future he was

the number two overall pick and he can turn things around i think brian robinson has looked really good this year there's promising steps towards it and the defense has to be rebuilt by dan quinn because ron river Rivera just made and company made so many bad picks that they're just working with what they have. Right. So like at least the commanders, if they lost that game, I'd still feel this way where I'm like,

yeah, the commander's like, it's going to take a while, but they won the game, the giants. And I can't believe we got here with them, but it's going to be really interesting with Brian Davel and Joe Shane after this year and I'm still a believer but I don't I can't

confidently say that ownership will be at the end of the year yeah I mean you got Bill Belichick out there which would be such an old school Giants move. We know Bill wants to coach again. That much is obvious. He'd love to go to the place. He's doing a lot of podcasts. He might be a podcaster now. He's doing a lot of shows. Shout out to our friends over at Underdog. I'll say

this about Belichick. He's not afraid to criticize in football media, which is a lost art. Don't you feel like 99% of the time you watch or listen to some kind of football analysis, it is rarely ever criticism, but more praise. He'll come out and just be like, I didn't think this guy was very good. It's like, it's kind of like kind of something we haven't had on TV in a long time.

We need it. We need it. We do. No, we genuinely do need it. And it's it's Bill Belichick. So he could say whatever he wants. Right. Like if I get on here and I'm like, damn, Patrick, my home stunk today.

Everybody's like, shut up. It's like, yeah, OK. So it's different when it's Bill Belichick. Yeah, no, it's good for me. I'm being serious. It's really good for me. I mean, you're not far away, though. You know, when you talk about, like, the hierarchy of opinions that you trust.

You know, like, it is Belichick. You know, he's got a couple of Super Bowls. So, you know, that's there. But, like, you're getting close. You're getting close. Again, you've covered enough terrible quarterbacks to where I think you're allowed to criticize quarterbacks. That's my spot. You know what?

That's my spot. I'm like the guy they, like, bring up, the expert expert where they're like, nobody knows who the hell I am. But they're like, oh, this guy, he's seen it all. Like he's right. He's written a book on it. He's got a little book in the bottom line and everything like that. Yeah. So anyways, with the Giants, man, it's there's a lot of problems with the Giants.

And it's not just Daniel Jones, because I know everybody wants the low hanging fruit of all Daniel Jones. It's not just Daniel Jones. The Gi everybody wants the low-hanging fruit of all it's Daniel Jones it's not just Daniel Jones the Giants secondary I think has issues I think and it's only two weeks so there's plenty of time for the change Brian Burns hasn't gotten going for them Kayvon Thibodeau hasn't really gotten going for them I think Dexter Lawrence is one of the best defensive linemen in the entire NFL but he's just one person yeah Malik neighbors is the entire offense I mean he really is I know they give the ball to Singlet entire NFL, but he's just one person. Yeah. Malik neighbors is the entire offense. I mean, it really is.

I know they give the ball to Singletary a lot and he's fine, but Singletary is not your long term part of your longterm plans. It's Malik neighbors and that's it. The offensive line is taking steps in the right direction, but this team also just hasn't really been that well coached this year by Brian D'Abel, and that's not something I expected to say. So I think the Giants, let's look at the Giants schedule right now. I mean, if the Giants don't kind of figure it out here soon,

as they got to go to Cleveland, then they play Dallas, then they play the Seahawks, the Bengals, the Eagles, and the Steelers. I just don't know in some of those games if the Giants can score enough points. Right. And if you're telling me, so they've lost two and those are the next six, the Giants are one and seven? Would you really be surprised? No.

No, I don't think this team is very good. And I think that Brian D'Abel is a really good offensive-minded coach. I just think i agree i just think that his time feels up with new york and well it's it's the it's starting to combust right i know i keep using that word like it's a thing that happened this past weekend well that's just just wild but you know what i'm saying like we're getting to that point of the coaching tenure tenure we're, now we're talking about, like, things are going so bad that now we're even screwing up who's the active kicker. Like, things are going so bad in New York

that now we're getting on his ass for making the wrong decision about a kicker. Yeah. The wheels are off the bus. I mean, you obviously know about that. And then there was the clip of him just slamming his headset after the game, which he's a very animated personality on the sideline, sometimes to a fault. I didn't even see that.

Did you see the presser? Again, I only saw the answer to the kicker clip. So the presser was very alarming to me. And it's a tough situation, right? Is he just speaking this shit? Yeah. I mean, and once again like this is another thing i'm an expert in because i've seen 85 different people coach the new york jets

you could just tell when somebody is slowly fed up and he gets asked you know is about job security and he answers the question in like a normal way then he goes to take another question and instead after like after looking at the next question he just stares back and grills the reporter and it's not like grills or it's like girls like if you wanted to fight someone like the look of like me and you outside and And I get it. Like I get he's frustrated. I guess it, I guess disrespectful to him. I, I understand the, the boiling point, but man, when you're the coach in New York and a little bit of water leaks out of the ship, the next thing you know, you're the Titanic.

Like, and it just, I hate, I hope Brian Dable turns it around because I liked this higher and I agree with you that he's a good offensive mind. But it feels like it's spiraling. It's spiraling. It's spiraling with the team, with the media, with the in-game coaching, and it's just not going to get easier for the Giants. And maybe they do turn it around

with a win that we didn't see coming. But I don't know if John Morrow will put up with a real bad season, like a four-win, three-win kind of season and say, all right, now I'm going to let them pick their quarterback and everything else is going to get better. No, no, no, no. If they're anywhere near the top 10 this year,

I have a feeling they're both kind of cooked. And I do feel bad because i think they were just like handed the daniel jones situation and has that team building outside of the daniel jones situation not been perfect yeah but i think perfect's a really tough bar to say like well the gm should have been perfect outside of the daniel jones pick and like that's that's tough um i think it was just a tough situation for them to take over, but it feels like everyone needs to move on. It really does. Yeah, it might be best for everyone.

We'll see. Reminder to everybody, these conversations, it's two weeks into the season. Right, of course. But if you're asking me, after Carolina, my answer to you was the Giants. I agree. You align with me on that.

You think they're the number two most likely team to be picking in the top five. I do, I do. Who with me on that. You think they're, they're the number two, most likely team to be picking in the top five. I do. I do. Um, who's, who's three, the third for you. It's tricky because I'm worried about the Colts, but I love, but I love Shane Steichen and here's why I'm worried about the Colts.

The Colts are already owing to, obviously like they played the Texas tough. So it's like, this is a good football team, but you've got a depleted secondary already. Juju Brents is out for the year. The secondary is not getting any, like, the Cavalry is not coming for that secondary. So that secondary is going to be a struggle for them all year long. And the part that gets me the most worried about this

team is Richardson in what he has shown us thus far in his NFL career, and even going back to obviously his time at Florida too, what he does and who he is as a quarterback is not good for where the league is going. We're seeing all these stats on the timeline right now

talking about how explosive plays are down and touchdowns are down and passing yards are down across the league from even some of the best quarterbacks in the NFL what defenses are doing is they're getting more creative in how they play deep coverage a lot of quarter quarter half stuff a lot of too deep safety stuff like they are making you pass underneath they are making you beat them short long drives take away the explosives because for the last half, the entire quarterback position has been built around freak quarterbacks just being able to bomb it deep down the field. And defenses are now fighting back.

That's not Richardson's game. Richardson is not a dink and dunk quarterback. And even if you got to a point where his reads would allow him to be like, he would be better at reading the field to be able to see those targets and take those underneath throws. His accuracy scores are bad. First week, he had a 62.5 adjusted completion percentage. No,

no, this past week in week two, he had a 62.5% adjusted completion percentage. The week before it was just 50 connor the league average is 75 right yeah he's so far below league average so the only way that you then get out that you get defenses out of those deep coverage shells is you have to be really damn good at running the ball and maybe the Colts can still do that I'm not saying like you said it's week two but I can see a little bit of the writing on the wall for the Colts to not have as good of a year as they should because of some injuries in the secondary

and what it feels like defenses are going to make Anthony Richardson do this year I love the team I would love to be proven wrong here. I don't want to see them in the top 10. So my counter to that is there are parts of them that worry me. Yeah, I think it's totally fair. My counter to that is their next four home against the bears home against the Steelers at Jacksonville at Tennessee.

I think the floor for them is 2-2 in that. It better be. If it's not, okay, then yes. They're not blowing the doors off any of those teams, I don't think. No, they're probably not. So I hope they're 2-2, but even if they're 2-2 in that stretch, Connor, they could still be 2-4. Right, and you could still be trending, you know.

I'm a little worried. a little worried about them that's fair i'll tell you i'll tell you my number three is the broncos oh yeah yeah yeah sorry sorry okay broncos should have been should have been my number three i wanted to talk about indianapolis but the broncos should have been my number three you're right you're right the the broncos just it's there's frustration bo nicks was frustrated after the game the offensive line is really banged up already dude most expensive offensive line in the nfl and they're one of the worst i did not know that are they really yes and they are one of the worst offensive lines in the game through two weeks well mcglitchy has a as a real injury now, so he's going to be down.

Right, that's not good. It's not a good situation for their offensive line. Yeah, so he's going to miss about a month, it sounds like, with an MCL sprain. Yep. Bummer. Right, and this is a team that they want to run the football under sean payton and when your offensive line's banged up and underachieving you're probably not going to be able to run the football you know i mean and then you know me uh you know me yards before contact they had this

past week in week two i'll say point eight no no not an average like how many like how many yards how many total yards they had before contact this past week i don't know negative six they're in trouble negative it's gonna it's they're in trouble because if you can't push the ball down the field no one respects no one respects that and what you want to do is run but everybody knows that and you got the bucks now and then you got the absolute world beaters the bucks and jets good luck the nfl stock exchange one two that's called the nfl stock exchange one two punch buddy you better get the ice bath ready you better get herb dean in here to call this bad boy off because you're going to sleep oh man so long denver adios sean payton one of the side of the

head that mouthpiece is coming out if you make it through that you play the raiders and it just feels like max crosby is going to detach bo's head from his neck. I mean, it's yeah, the Broncos have some problems. They would be one of my top picks to pick in the top five. The thing that's weird with them, I don't really know what the answer is for them.

They're in this with Sean Payton and Bo Nix. Okay, we got a top five pick. Do we just take a Mason Graham or a Travis Hunter and, you know, just hope we're starting to have more talent here? I guess there's a lot of time left for that. I just, I'm not buying into this era of Sean Payton personally. You know, it's sort of hard to right now.

I'm sort of holding out hope for this team that they're still maybe going in the right direction. It's, it doesn't look pretty right now. And even with me saying that, I, I think that this team is going to get a top 10 pick when it's all said and done. But, um, Nick's looks bad talent on defense though. That's the thing with Denver. I know they're banged up right now in defense too. It's crazy.

Nick's looks bad. They have talent, but the old line has been terrible. They don't really have the offensive weapons to make up for it, and it's just not really good as a cohesive unit right now. So maybe that'll change in time. The Rams are getting hit with the injury bug. It feels like worse than any team in the NFL. They are, yes.

Perhaps they end up getting a top 10 pick when it's all said and done. They're sitting here at number nine at 0-2. You're probably drafting Matthew Stafford's replacement at that point. You're probably just taking a flyer on a quarterback, whoever you think might be worthy of one at that point. Who the hell's that, man? This is getting scarier by the week. Yeah, I don't know.

Not a great Carson Beck week. No, bad Carson Beck week. Don't ruin the Wednesday show. I know, I'm already over my skis. Come on. Let me just shut up about it. All right. That's probably a good place to put a cork in it, if you will.

Give people a little preview of what's to come. Hey, obviously, the NFL season, it's crazy right now. There's all sorts of stuff going on. Obviously, Bryce Young getting benched, and it's only in week two, man. It's going to get crazier and crazier. And this season, we'll be listening to a new podcast called The Offensive Line with Annie Agar. Annie is an NFL insider. You might know her from the uncomfortable team meetings

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nfl news and culture that we're going to see throughout every week of the nfl season um you can follow the offensive line podcast on the wondery app or wherever you guys get your podcast you can access bonus episodes from annie as well listen ad-free right now by joining the Wondery Plus app. That is it for us. Like we said, let us know what you think Bryce Young's trade value is and where he is going to be at the beginning of the 2025 NFL season. Oh, my goodness. Connor, you got anything else before we get out of here?

No, I'm excited for the midweek show because you and I have already grinded the tape. I know. I wanted to talk about all these guys. Yeah, this was legitimately an emergency pod. We already did our stock watch film grinding. We've been trading back and forth some names. So we'll have new name for the show, a day three player that can go top 50, a ton of stock up, stock down. It's all there.

So if you're wanting to get back on the college sphere, that will return in the middle of the week. Yeah, it's going to be good stuff. Appreciate everybody watching and listening. Best way to support the show, like, comment, subscribe, youtube.com backslash NFL Stock Exchange. If you want to reply to any of the questions that we had or any opinions that we had and you don't listen on YouTube at Tim Betray at Connor J. Rogers on Instagram and Twitter as well.

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