NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 272. Week 3 Stock Up, Stock Down For 2025 NFL Draft

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

0:00 - Intro 3:15 - Pat Bryant - WR, Illinois 9:15 - Isaiah Bond - WR, Texas 13:10 - Garrett Nussmeier - QB, LSU 22:10 - Jalen Milroe - QB, Alabama 28:15 - Jalon Walker - EDGE, Georgia 33:00 - Keon Sabb - S, Alabama 37:20 - Shavon Revel - CB, East Carolina 42:25 - Zakhari Franklin - WR, Illinois 46:35 - Kyle Kennard - EDGE, South Carolina 52:55 - Charles Grant - OL, Williams & Mary 57:25 - Harold Franklin Jr - TE, Bowling Green 1:01:55 - Stock Down & Outro

Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, it's another Stock Watch episode where we're giving you stock up, stock down for players who are playing college football for the 2025 NFL Draft class. We're also going to give you a name that you have not heard on this show before for the prospect list. And then a guy that was probably a day three pick before the season began that looks like they're working

their way up into the top 50. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama, Connor Rogers joining you for a post-week three edition of Stock Watch. We're talking stock up, stock down prospects in the 2025 NFL draft class. But just like we did last week, we're going to give you some new names as well. Stock up, stock down. It often has to do with the names that you already know because they're at the top of the big board. But we promise that on these shows, we'll give you a player that we think is making the jump from day

three, potentially into the top 50. And then we will give you a name that you have not heard yet on this show for the 2025 NFL draft. Connor, how you doing my friend? I'm good, man. I love these shows. Just going through tape, whether it's a player you haven't watched yet, or a guy that is starting to look like a different player than what you saw over summer in terms of the growth. I think it's a lot of fun. And I think it's really what our, our show and our process is built on. And I'm sure a lot of the people that were with us for summer scouting, enjoy this part. And the people that are just joining us now, it's a great way to kind of, instead of you crash coursing with us in February and March, and that's okay. If you do that, you're going to know as much about all the

draft guys that are talked about on TV by the time that time rolls around so i love these episodes man me too uh welcome to all the panthers fans that have tuned in and subscribed to the podcast already uh we are here for you we love you this is your safe haven this podcast can be your place of refuge for the next uh eight to nine months whatever it it is, until the 2025 NFL. What are they, one roar? What are the Panthers? Keep pounding. It's like the best one.

Yeah, I was going to say, keep pounding. Keep pounding is the best one. Which is just so demoralizing in the situation they're in. I feel for them i genuinely do because you got the team they've sold so much like merch and like all like there's so much marketing around hashtag keep pounding so now you know like you're owing to you just bench the guy that you drafted number one overall that you hope was a franchise quarterback and now your team's out here tweeting out hashtag keep pounding you probably don't want to see

anything less in the world but you can't you can't change that one it's too good we're gonna keep pounding here on this podcast we're gonna keep pounding that's pounding with prospects go to draft yes yeah hold on hold on all right stock stock down. What do you want to start with here? Let's go stock up before we get into, you know, a player that could play his way into day two. All right. And a new full kind of guy and a new name. All right. Who's your first stock up guy? My first stock up guy is Pat Bryant. Wide receiver out of Illinois. Six foot three. Two hundred pounds was not on our wide receiver preview from summer,

which had a ton of players. I mean, you and I really, we watched over 20 receivers each. I got to talk to Pat at Big Ten Media Days. And, you know, this is a team that they've lost a lot of NFL level talent at this position over the last two years. And he's a guy that's been on this roster now for a couple of years and has, you know, been there to develop and learn and not transfer just because he wasn't getting a million targets a game. And through three games, Pat Bryant's got four touchdowns

and they use them all over the place. I mean, they really do. You see him as a power slot. You see him as a perimeter target that can work down the sideline and have that body control and tracking on the deep ball. He's a pretty complete wide receiver. He's not the fastest guy in the world, right? He's not a pretty six, three, 200 pounds. And the reality is the NFL

needs more big body targets because it's tough for you if you're small to play on the outside where you can get hands on you. It's just the reality. There's only so many slot spots in the NFL. So Bryant's a guy to me that came into the season with, you know, end of day three projection, maybe priority UDFA. And he's playing nothing like that. The production speaks for itself, a go-to target and go win and contest the catch situations. He had a touchdown out of the slot last week where he broke about three tackles on his way to the end zone. He had a touchdown out of the slot last week where he broke about three tackles on his way to the end zone. So tough runner after the catch. And you love those big body physical guys because you could trust them to block on the outside as well, which so many run games are asking these guys to do. So Pat Bryant's a absolute stock up through just three

weeks for me for surprisingly right undefeated Illinois team. I don't think anyone thought they'd be three and oh out of the gate and they are yeah I'm also surprised that you're talking about an Illinois wide receiver because all right all due respect Illinois um they're not exactly like a wide receiver factory and they just had Casey Washington who I felt like was an underrated wide receiver last year and Isaiah Williams right leave and so it's like okay you're replacing both of those guys you figure you wouldn't hear from an Illinois wide receiver in a little bit but just as you're kind of bringing this up with pat bryant i have not watched him yet so i went into ultimate and because of the beauty of pff's organization i just watched like a handful of snaps while you were talking there and what i noticed is one of

the standout snaps that he has that we have organized that you can kind of click on right away dude he's blocking his ass off and i went to his grades 89.1 run blocking grade yeah you love that shit man very sean mcveigh hell yeah dream receiver and like i do agree with what you're saying the x receiver is is more rare today than i feel like it has been in a long time. It's why I think Nico Collins gets a lot of... I was just going to say, look at Nico Collins. It's why Nico Collins gets a ton of praise because now Nico is not just this big-bodied wide receiver. He's showing that he is a complete weapon

as we've seen him develop into over the last two years. But Nico really got his shot early on because he was this big-bodied, strong wide receiver who could play on the line of scrimmage. He could play in the red zone. He could give you some slot reps, but he knew how to play on the sideline. He knew how to get strong contests to catch opportunities when space was at a premium. And now that's allowed him to blossom into so much more. So for Pat Bryant, him being able to block the way that he does. I mean, again, guys like DK Metcalf, Michael Pittman Jr.,

those kinds of players who are true guys you're not afraid to put on the line of scrimmage. It's just there's not as many of them because in college, I understand this. College coaches are in the business of winning football games. They're not necessarily in the business of developing guys as much as you would want. Why would you want your best player to play up against press if he doesn't have to? Don't let him. Let him be the Z. Let him be in the slot. Let him be off the line of scrimmage. He can get an extra step before he gets into where the defender is. So you just don't see a lot of development in that area. So man, great shout out here. I love it. I didn't know anything about him, but I'm looking at his, it's not just a overall, like one great performance either. That's holding up this 89.1 run blocking

grade, 87.1 run blocking grade in the first week in Eastern Illinois, 79.8 against Kansas, 79.6 against central Michigan. And again, it's not like these are small sample sizes. He's got 58 run blocking reps. Yeah. And it's hard for a wide receiver to pop like that in the grading system. It's very difficult to run the numbers up into the 70s in general. Yes, yes, yeah. I think people, when they think of PFF grades, they tend to think of it like grades in school, right? Where something like a 79 is like a C+.

That's not really how the weight kind of comes out a a average ish performance is probably something in like the mid 60s you should think of it like that 79.1 that's a damn good grade like that would be essentially a like b b plus something like that and then you get into you, you know, low eighties to 85, probably like B plus a minus. And then you start to get into the elite if you're in the upper eighties and into the nineties as well. You know, like you get a plus stuff after that. So maybe people at PFF might yell at me a little bit, cause it might be a little bit different, but just to give, yeah, yeah. Just to, I always try to tell people that when they look at the grades, because naturally

I totally understand it. The first thing that you go to is school grades how you you know like a d is anything from the 60s and nobody wanted to get d's in school nobody want to get f's and things like that so it is the pff grading system is a little bit different it's scaled a little bit different so just to give you kind of you guys kind of an idea of that so love the shout out though i i got to get him he's going on the list he's going on the watch list i'm going to watch him later this week maybe get him in that mock draft simulator the first guy that i want to bring to the table i'll stick with wide receiver i'll stick with a guy who is uh blossoming a little bit more than just his physical abilities would allow you to

believe i'm going to talk about isaiah bond the wide receiver from texas you know it wasn't i i liked bond going into the year but people who remember summer scouting from us remember i think i had bond i don't know wide receiver seven ish something around there and i watched him at alabama and i kind of was a little bit worried with him being an undersized guy that he was just as speed element and where speed is going to be the calling card of his game, it felt like everything that he did at Alabama was sort of at one speed. It was just as fast as possible. And to really be a great separator, even when you have that natural ability,

you have to be able to throttle it up and down to truly create that big throwing window and maximize separation. I didn't see a ton of that at Alabama. Connor, I feel like I see that a lot at Texas now. Oh, yeah. Through the first couple of weeks of the season. It feels like he is understanding, all right, this is when I need to really show off that 4-2, 4-3 speed. And these are the times where like, okay, I'm setting up a corner. I'm setting up a corner.

I'm waiting for him to make the mistake. And then when they do make the mistake, when they do give me a blind spot or they turn their hips the wrong way, boom, all of a sudden I can attack that then with the quick acceleration, the quick footwork, and then get by him. He's got more strength and contested catch ability than one would think for his size as well, which I think is a big time plus in his game. And so when I look at wide receivers right now, he's a true stock-up player because I've moved him all the way up to my wide receiver three ranking right now because it's Luther Bird

and it's Tetero McMillan at the top. Those guys are still one and two. But then I've got Isaiah Bond there at wide receiver three for this class just because he does have that element that you can't teach. Isaiah Bond there at wide receiver three for this class, just because he does have that element that you can't teach. And now I think he is showing that nuanced improvement of how to make that speed just a true feared weapon every single time he's on the field, which is fun to watch.

It really is. And when I made him wide receiver three coming out of the summer, there was definitely some projection there because it wasn't all put together on tape but knowing his god-given talent the speed that he has and the movement skill there's a difference between speed and movement skills Isaiah Bond has both where when you watch him go through different phases of the route he doesn't lose speed if he doesn't want to. He could change the tempo if he wants to, but if he wants to kind of stick his foot in the ground and freeze the DB and then start working back up the field, he doesn't really need to gear down. And that's just unique movement ability to me. So I love your shout out to him because now it's turning into legitimate production at Texas where at Alabama, it felt like he was good.

Right. But it felt like it was in spurts and flashes. Yeah. And now it just feels like it's all coming together for him in a good wide receiver class, but in an offense that is obviously very creative and very effective and run very well. But it's a big part of because of what he could do for any offense. Yeah, 17 targets. I'm looking at it right now. He's got 17 targets. That leads the team so far. 23% wide receiver threat, wide receiver usage. And I'm trying to see if that's what his was at Alabama. Oh, it was equal last year. It was the same thing.

It was 23% at Alabama last year. So similar emphasis in the offense, but it does feel like they're treating him more as a, we can get the ball in his hands in a variety of ways. And at Alabama, it felt like it was just like, hey, let's use him in explosive situations. Right. He can do that still for you,

but he is now I think ascending to even more than that, which you love to see. All right, my next guy, and this is admittedly one of those ones this week that's more about the season compared to summer rather than just, hey, he had a huge week. Because I actually think he had his weakest game of the threes played so far but Garrett Nussmeier the LSU quarterback oh yeah baby I once again another guy I didn't have in my quarterback rankings because he played the bowl game last year but I don't know if you heard of Jaden Daniels he was their quarterback last year so this was one where he waited around. This is his opportunity.

Rather than transferring, leaving, transferring down and looking for a place to play, this is now his offense. And LSU gets a, I know, controversial but huge win over a good South Carolina team on the road. Our producer's not going to like that. I won't speak to anything about the game besides that and there was ups and downs for nussmeyer in this game right two throws he had deeper shots were some of the best throws in college football this year down each sideline he also had some

plays called back and some bad decisions i know a big penalty that wiped out an interception but the full sample size of this year, when you look at him against USC, okay, Nichols State, but the win over South Carolina, he's playing his way into being a draftable quarterback in a class that is extremely uninspiring. And this is somebody who hadn't had a chance before this season. So I think it was a good opportunity to talk about Nussmeyer, who is a guy that looks relatively calm and collected for the most part, can push the ball down the field, not a big runner. He's going to learn through these mistakes and he's thrown 10 touchdowns and two picks. Now, once again, like there's been some plays called back and that's benefited him, but still 10 touchdowns,

two picks, a couple of big time throws already got four big time throws on tape. The two big time throws at South Carolina really stood out to me that this is somebody that can drop the ball in the bucket and push the ball down the field when he needs to. Has the arm talent to do that. He's undoubtedly a riser. I would still put him in that early day three bucket right now. but this is somebody that as he starts to limit those mistakes with more playing time and increases those big time throws, he can legitimately play himself into the second day of this draft in a quarterback class that once again, it's just very uninspiring and say what you want about the ups and downs

against South Carolina, the entire package of three games this year, he's been one of the better quarterbacks in the country. I would, I would agree with you there. And when you look at his big time throws versus some other quarterbacks that are in this class and their big time throws, it does look a little bit different with Nussmeyer. I think that, um, if I remember correctly, like

he's, he's not like the biggest dude in the world. Yeah. Six, two, 200. So the weight is fine. Um, but six, two, it's not like he's standing like 6'4", 6'5". But it's funny, like he throws like he is, right? And from people that I know around the LSU program, when you ask them about, you know, Garrett Nussmeier, they talk about how like he's got a really big arm and he just, he loves to throw it. But like sometimes it really gets him in trouble. And I think, I felt like for the first half of this season,

we were going to see him struggle a little bit of when to have the big-time throw and when to not. And when it has been good for him, I think specifically of there was a throw in the South Carolina game where I believe it was Kyron Lacey, their star wide receiver. I think he was in the slot and he was doing the classic Malik neighbors, Brian Thomas Jr. The slot fades that they spammed all of last year and where he threw that ball, when he threw that ball was sort of like Lacey wouldn't even open and he let it go and he put it in a spot where he knew that Lacey could run under it

and nobody else was really going to get to it. It was at the sideline. It was pinpointed. It was beautiful. And then that touchdown throw that he threw to Lacey that was in the side of the end zone against USC, that's an opposite hash throw. He's throwing from the opposite hash

and he's going to the end zone, to the sideline of the end zone. And he put that up in the air beautifully where again, Lacey rose up and got it. There's no way that defender was going to get it. It was basically what you always tell quarterbacks. Put it somewhere where the receiver gets it or nobody gets it.

And those are NFL throws, man. And it's a quarterback class that you we got we talked about it a little bit when we did the bryce young episode earlier this week and i know a lot of people in the comment section were you know talking about this as well you know bryce's situation versus what carolina can do in the 2025 nfl draft and there's some uncertainty right you don't have a ton of quarterbacks, though. There's a lot of names. You don't have a ton of quarterbacks that are every single week showing you like I got

NFL throws, you know, in my arsenal that I'm going to be able to give you. Have we seen it from Carson Beck? Sure. Do we see it every week the way that we want to? No. Say the same thing with Shador Sanders, even with the, you know, even with the issues along the offensive line, your Quinn ears can give it to you but it's a little bit you know up and down with him Jalen Miro's got some which we'll talk about here in a second but he's still a little up and

down you just don't have a ton of quarterbacks that'll give you those NFL throws and I feel like every single week that we watch Nussmeyer it's not perfect but he'll give you NFL throws. And at least you see that from him. So to your point, I think that he's sort of like a mid-round pick right now. Yeah, third round, fourth round, whatever you want to call it. That's what I would say. I would call it fourth right now. Right. But man, he is at least putting the building blocks down to, like you said,

being a pretty good riser in this class, depending on how the quarterbacks even play around him this year. So I think it's a good shout out by you. He's getting to play and the slot fade you brought up against South Carolina. Great call out. That's on second and 14. So you got to realize in that drop, South Carolina has their front four pinning their ears back and bringing the heat and he gets the snot knocked out of him but he makes the throw and he makes the throw with not a ton of space and like you said it's a perfect throw thrown before the wide receiver really even gets in a step on the corner so that's big time stuff and

you just hope that as he gets more playing time he starts to work some of the mistakes out of his system uh with that opportunity so yeah once again not, he starts to work some of the mistakes out of his system with that opportunity. So yeah, once again, not a perfect player, but in terms of summer, really not a lot of buzz on him besides the bowl game compared to his first three games. He is absolutely fitting of a riser and a quarterback class that is looking for risers.

And I know you have your eyes on one as well. Yeah, I do. And we'll get to him in a second. I guess it's probably a good time for me to talk about jail. My alley-oop was so good too. do you mean what do you mean i was i threw it up and was expecting you to slam it down but you have to uh you have to do something first i was gonna say i gotta pay the bills we'll finish off the alley-oop we're just the tv is paused i'm mid-air and the windmill is literally like halfway around right now but we have to pause it you know

like your mom just called great, you got to pause it. Great tease. You got to answer the phone when mom calls, right? Well, hey, best part of football season. It's about checking out the postgame stats, right? Which wide receiver scored more than two touchdowns? Which quarterbacks threw for less or more than 300 yards? Look, if you think that you know who's going to do what before kickoff,

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right behind him off the glass. And we're bringing it home with a little stock up. I was just staring at the crowd. Make for a hell of an Instagram pic. At that point, you just got to decide what the caption is because it's already it's already a fire photo uh i'm going to talk about jaylen milrow from alabama and i do think that jaylen milrow is a stock up player now i do understand this the completion percentage is still lower than you would want for jaylen

milrow the adjusted completion percentage form last year was a 72.4. This year it is a 70.4. But a lot of what you love about Jalen Monroe does still exist. He's got those big time explosive throws that he can hit on you. 9.1% big time throw percentage last year, which was huge. That is a huge was like kyler murray mvp year type of number this year it's a little bit lower but it's still very high 6.7 big time throws through a couple of weeks and the turnover really plays though a little bit lower yeah 2.8 last year just 1.4 this year so when you look at the average set of target, the average depth of target's up a little bit. But I mean, it's pretty dang high. It went from 13.6 last year to now 14.2 this year. The passing yards per attempt up from 9.9 last year to 11.1 this year. So dude is not afraid to uncork it. He's got eight passing touchdowns, no interceptions, but four big time throws and

one turnover worthy play. Connor of the reason why i think that milrow is a stock up type of a player is because not only do i believe that he is now consistently bringing that high level of play year after year to the field like it wasn't just like oh you know it was just kind of like alabama's offense last year they hit lightning in a bottle with milrow once he became the full-time starter. That was about it. He is playing basically the same way he was last year, and I would say even a little bit better from him. Is the consistency where we need it to be at an NFL level?

No. But my point about Milrow is this. If this is the baseline of what we are looking at, in a quarterback class that is kind of uninspiring at the top right now he gives you high-end explosive passing ability while also giving you a high floor as a true dual threat rushing option right so while we sit here and we talk about all these pocket passer quarterbacks and what they could be mil Milrow's over here like, I can do both for you. The thing about Milrow is we just need him to not throw turnover where he plays. And he's doing it at a lower clip than he was last year. It's early. They're not in SEC play yet. I understand that. But to me, it's almost like a rise up via sinking down and like, hey, we had a lot of faith in a handful

of quarterbacks in this quarterback class, and none of them have really taken that reins of QB1 or QB2. And Milrow just continues to show that he at least has the tools that you want to bet on for an NFL quarterback. Rushing tools, we already know all those about. And then this past week, holy cow. I mean, he was putting on a flamethrower show with some of those big throws that he was making. And all I'm saying is, it's not perfect, but I watched Jalen Milrow make those throws, and I go, we got quarterbacks.

People are trying to talk up in this class that can't make those throws. Yep. Not as many as he's made over the last two years. It got to be more consistent for him no doubt about it but i think that uh to me he's got to be a riser in this class because of everything that he could bring to the table it's hard to argue against that right just when you look at the skill set package that he has he's somebody that the running is legit creating your own yards it It's not just, I'm fast. Oh, you know, there's no defender in front of me.

Let me grab these eight yards and get out of bounds. Like he's really creative. He's a playmaker. He can genuinely rip off 70-yard rushing performances like it's nothing. And you're right, Trevor. The arm talent is all there to keep growing and making huge plays. So Milrow feels like the guy that is going to be a bit of an enigma this draft class because it's not always pretty, but you feel like his highs are worth betting on. So right, like he feels like that because I'll be honest here on this show.

When you watch Carson Beck, Shader Sanders, Quinn Ewers, there's some kind of floor and ceiling there with those guys. I don't feel that way with Jalen Milrow. I don't know what the floor and ceiling is yet because the spectrum is so wide of the variants you get with him right like that's that's why he's polarizing yeah but i obviously like the college football playoff last year like i think his his the two games in which he struggled the most as a passer were against georgia and then michigan right i mean

it's two big games which n NFL players, which, which sucks, you know, like, obviously like those are the two big games. Those are the ones that you want to actually play your best. So it's worth noting, but it's not like week to week. Jalen Milrow was this crazy, like, Oh my God, he's great. But then he's horrible type of a player. He just didn't play well against the two toughest tests that he had last year in georgia and michigan so to me that's why

i think he's a stock up player i'm not sitting here and tell you need these qb qb one or that he's going to go number one overall but in a class again that we're waiting for somebody to really show us something that's at least just worth investing in. Show us that you're not hitting your ceiling right now in college football. Color me intrigued about Jalen Melrose. That's kind of what I'm saying here in this class. My last guy in the standard generic stock up, names we've talked about before. You're going to get through some more players

and some players we haven't talked about. Jalen Walker, the edge off ball linebacker for georgia yes very interesting player this is someone we discussed on summer shows he is very interesting in a way that he's kind of an off ball linebacker but the reality is and i felt this way over the summer and i feel this way through a couple more games this season his best reps are when he's working downhill as a pass rusher. He's an edge rusher. He is every bit of an edge rusher.

Kirby, we know you watch the show. It is beyond frustrating as an end-on-value hitter. Put him on the ball. It's crazy. He genuinely splits time between being an off-ball linebacker and an edge rusher. Like, just for the actual data of it this year i mean he's played it looks like off the ball in the box 37 times he's played on

the ball defensive line 48 times it's it's really a very clearly defined split now i will say as well they do blitz him as an off ball linebacker. He's just so athletic, right? That's the thing. He's so athletic that he can get narrow through gaps, but his instincts and overall, you know,

reading everything in front of him as an off ball linebacker is not NFL level. When you watch him simply rush the passer, you get excited about him as an NFL player. It's such a different experience where I mean, I totally agree with you, Trevor. He is every bit an edge rusher in my eyes. Not that he only plays edge rusher, but you look at the pass rush tape just in week three against Kentucky. He had 18 pass rush snaps.

He had a win rate of 33.3 percent so two of those he hit the quarterback five were just standard hurries and some of them are delayed blitzes or stunts but some of them are legit he's on the edge and he could dip his shoulder and turn into the pocket and win with speed and has changed direction and has some power so j Jalen Walker is somebody that I bet the evaluation for him as an NFL player will be more kind to him than how he's viewed as a college player, which is very rare,

but he fits that bucket all the way because it is so easy, I think, for an NFL team to look at what he does at Georgia where they are trying to win a championship every year they're not always thinking what's the best way we can put out give you numbers to go to the NFL Trayvon Walker didn't even have numbers to go to the NFL right so that defense isn't geared to give you numbers but Jalen Walker to me is a legit pass rusher that also has to play off ball linebacker and I know some people

really liked him over summer as a projection you know maybe even borderline first rounder I've he's I thought he was a nice day two player over what I watched this summer I'm looking at the pass rush ability and see a guy that can play his way into the first round for sure well the first step explosiveness for him is the most impressive part, right? The way that he is built, the weight that he carries. I mean, like he can explode off of the ball. And he's dense. Like you said, he probably could play at 250. Right, right.

What do they have him list at? 245. Oh, yeah. I mean, he could play at 250, 255, I think pretty easily. And then, you know, you got no problem playing on the edge at that size. It's a little bit lighter, but I mean, I think that's totally fine, especially when you look at his reps and see, again, how dense he is, how he takes contact.

I mean, I think that it's totally fine for him. The part that sucks is I totally understand. Look, Georgia's trying to get the most out of this athlete whenever they can, and they're trying to win football games. He's not going to develop pass rush moves like this. You know, he's not going to develop pass rush moves like this you know he's not going to develop good pad level and he's not going to understand how to you know not only come up with a pass rush plan and have moves but also counters okay well how do you get off a block if you because

that's another thing about Jalen Walker is is right now if I don't watch him win with the first step or if he doesn't convert speed to power into a bull rush that's just imposing on whatever offensive lineman he's going up against I don't really see him break that block very quickly. And he's not really going to if he's sitting here playing off ball linebacker as much as he is on ball linebacker. So that's the part that is, we joke, but genuinely frustrating as an NFL draft analyst is, I agree with you. I think the outlook for him is going to be much higher from an NFL perspective than it is the production that we're going to see from him in college, just because I almost think that he's going to play a completely different position in the NFL. But, you know,

I guess we'll have to see what the league evaluates him like. My next stock up guy that I want to go to. Do we talk about Keyon Saab in summer scouting? Was he on your safety list? Let me double check. I don't think so. No. So Saab was at Michigan. And he was like a four or five star recruit at Michigan.

And I believe when Rod Moore announced that he was coming back, it was kind of like, all right, Keon kind of had to leave if he wanted to get consistent playing time. So he goes down to Alabama and he's playing, I think really, really well and played really well this past week. Now, when you watch him, he, I think has the size for the position, you know, six foot one, six foot two. Like I think he's somewhere in the middle there, maybe like just over 6'1", 205 pounds. He is somebody who, like you watch the tape, you watch the broadcast, and he stands out because I think he is a bigger safety player.

The way that he has been able to play the robber role for Alabama over the middle of the field has been very, very impactful. He's got, let me make sure I got this right, forced incompletions. Two forced incompletions, but he's got two interceptions already. And they came in the first week against Western Kentucky, but it was really impressive plays because then his forced incompletions, he had one against USF, and then he had one against Wisconsin this past week as well. So he's somebody who really knows how to make plays on the ball specifically because I think his downhill speed is really, really good. if you're going to want to play him in single high situations, but certainly if you've got him in some sort of whatever your cover three looks, whether it's traditional cover three,

which not a lot of teams run anymore, or like a quarter quarter half cover three, or, you know, even just a two deep safety look. If you give him the freedom and the confidence to play downhill a little bit, I think he's just, he is a guy who can own the for you can take away post players can drive on on in breaking routes like he has shown that he

is already really successful as that and we didn't get a ton from him last year he played when rob moore was out and so we got a little bit more than we expected but this year's is his first year is like okay i am a i am a full-time starter for the full season. It's my secondary. I'm back here. And he's doing a really great job. The area that he needs, and I think his play and coverage and his speed and I think the size that you see on tape,

all of that makes him a stock-up candidate. But dude's got to wrap up better. I mean, there are some i didn't even mean that one oh that's good you're actually he's got 12 kids listen man just figure it out he's like i don't have any kids you know i comp him to antonio cromarty and people you know they don't know why because he plays safety uh and i was just like hey you gotta look into it he needs to tackle better there we go because the first couple of weeks and i'm watching him the pursuit angles they're just way over aggressive i mean sometimes he

looks like a cartoon you know where you like over that you overrun somebody and then the legs are spinning and you're not going anywhere because you're trying to go the opposite direction. That almost looks a little bit what I'm, I'm watching here for the first couple of weeks. Now I will say the Wisconsin tape, which is the most recent tape looked a little better. He looked a little bit more honed in. He was a little more patient when it came to lining guys up and, and getting them, getting them on the ground. But that is just that it's something that i'm going to be watching throughout the season because do we have another caitlin bullock situation here where i love what you could be as a coverage guy over the middle but i just i've got worries about what you could be as a run defender hope that's

not it i hope you can round out his game as the season goes on because if you can we already talked about what a great safety class this is uh He can make it even better if he continues to play the way that he does. A great call out by you, especially in a deep safety class where a guy like that can get lost in the first couple of weeks. We've talked about how deep this group is. Did you have any more before we go to our categories? Oh, yeah. I did want to shout out a stock up for Siobhan Revell, the corner from ECU.

I guess it's maybe not a stock up, as in we're learning something we didn't know. He's just awesome. He got an interception this past week, and it was coming from trail technique, coming from the opposite side of the line of scrimmage. It's a crossing route. He cuts it easily.

He puts the ball in one hand like he is legitimately like Antonio Cromartie out there and it's just he immediately becomes a playmaker he's so damn talented he is so so talented he has got unreal size speed combination uh the ball skills I think are there for him he just needs to continue I think we said this during summer scouting. He's just got to get more of a coverage feel. Sometimes he does not know when the ball is coming to him. Sometimes he's just focused on, all right, I'm focused on the guy in front of me.

I'm guarding him. I'm covering him and everything. And it's like he just has no idea when the ball is coming his way. You get a little bit more instincts here. And we're talking about a guy who could potentially be a top 20 pick in this draft. I really do. Even for his raw,

some other parts of his tape is this. He's, he's got special talent that you bet on at the NFL level. I really do believe that. I don't disagree at all. I mean, it's all there. I would say the only thing that will be interesting with him.

And it's, it's not that interesting. What, how old is he? i need to look at this because i know he's been there for a couple years after he transferred from lewisburg college i i don't think it matters too much with him because he's so big and so athletic but it would just be one thing i would wonder if he was an older prospect like a 23 24 year old prospect i'll try to get the data on that it's um it's i'm gonna say it's not gonna like hurt him by a round it's not what i'm saying i'm just something just something that'll be evaluated uh for somebody that you know technically could have left last year he's he's just flying it's been the tape was

really good when you watch last year it's already been a hot start to him this year if he wants to go to the senior bowl he can go to the senior bowl and go the uh quinion mitchell kind of route let's not forget though two years ago devin witherspoon like it was already out before the senior bowl he was in the top 20 of mock drafts and that was a wrap and then he didn't go and he's out he went top 10 so you know you just never know corner specifically top five and good good pick corner specifically can fly up the board unlike any other position at times it feels like because it's like if their name isn't being called they're probably doing something right that's why it's that kind of position very often yeah great. Great call with Savan. I think it's Revel.

I heard a broadcaster say it that way after the pick. I will think we will get confirmation on that. We'll make sure we'll make sure that we get it. That's our new seven IEA or somebody, somebody sent us the pronunciation of it. I know we'll get it. We promise it'll be journey. You guys are on it here with us before we get to our prospect that we think it make the jump from.

Oh, before we do that, I did want to shout out so i brought up antonio cromarty's name and i wanted to make sure i gave credit i saw that first for uh revel if we're saying it like that that comp that cromarty comp i saw that first from lucy luke easterling i think he tweeted about it and i was like hmm i thought about Tariq Woolen just because of the size-speed combination, but then I looked it up, and I was like, Cromartie actually could fit as well because I think he's got really good ball skills, and that's what Cromartie was known for,

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but you never know. And it's so funny to me before you were like, I can't believe you're bringing up an Illinois wide receiver here. And I'm going to do it again because another one, Zachary Franklin now plays for Illinois. Oh, what a weird run for Zachary Franklin. He's someone that a couple of years ago burst onto the draft radar

because he was dominating. I believe it was UTSA. Yeah, UTSA is where he was most of the time. He had back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons for UTSA. And during that span from 2021 to 2022, this dude caught 27 touchdowns. And one of the games he did it, one of the games he did it against was against Illinois. Then he goes to Ole Miss in 2023. And I'll raise my hand. I was one of those people. I was like, Scott Franklin's going to have 1400 yards and another 15 touchdowns in Lane Kippen's offense.

He kind of disappears. He really doesn't play. He doesn't do anything. He didn't play much. He didn't play. Then he goes to Illinois, and this is an older prospect, transfers to Illinois, and through three games, he's got almost 200 yards, 16 catches, but the tape is insane.

Insane. I mean, he has, I think, the best catch in college football, and I don't know if it's going to be topped this year. A one-hander down the sideline. His shoulder pad is almost pulled out of his jersey, and he's in an arm bar, and he just sticks out the other arm, and the ball just sticks to his hand, and he's inbounds and just tucks it in. It was a beautiful deep catch. But then you watch the routes, and 11 of his 16 catches have gone first downs. He is a gifted glider. I mean, the routes are beautiful.

He knows how to get open. I did a tape breakdown on just this offense in general for NBC, and I was, because we do a lot of Big Ten stuff, and I was blown away. Not only, like, shout out to Luke Altmyer, who's taken some really nice steps this year after, you know, people were probably like, I can't believe he's going to be their starter again this year.

But this wide receiver duo is quietly one of the better ones, if not in the Big Ten in the country, between Pat Bryant and Sakari Franklin. Because Franklin's found it again. And he's just such a gifted route runner. He's got crazy hands he's a playmaker all around and he can play inside and outside so uh yeah my favorite catch of the year so far but he's been so much more than that and the tape does not lie for a team that once

again I don't think this team wants to drop back and throw it 50 times a game so I don't know if him and Bryant will have these crazy numbers no Bryant's got the the touchdowns already, but both these guys look so good. But Franklin is a guy to me. I talk about with Bryant, like he's probably a priority UDFA. Now he's playing his way early day three. I think Franklin is so talented, even for an older prospect, that it wouldn't shock me coming into the year day three grades. He's somebody that genuinely goes in the third round,

end of the second round, because he's already had 2,000 yard seasons and he looks awesome again. Shout out to Brett Bielma. I know, man. Building it in Iowa. Holy hell. He's hitting the portal. You really do got to tip your cap to this program,

because it's Illinois. It's not a layup to go get guys, and they hit the portal while developing their own talent. I think, and there's some bias here. This is my first year I got to do Big Ten Media and sit down with a lot of these coaches one-on-one, a lot of these players one-on-one. He's a lost art in college football because it's just authentic.

And I get it. Some guys got to get up there and they got to be a politician in our facilities and this and rah, rah rah rah and all this stuff he like he's been in the nfl before for a lot of time he's been at all different stops of college he just tells it like it is and i think it's kind of rubbed off on this program in a very unique way that they just are who they are and they're not going to go out there and be something they're not and pound their chest and and it's gotten them a three and oh star and i'm i'm genuinely rooting for this program because of the way they carry themselves love it love it gotta watch the illinois franklin yeah franklin's legit he's legit man he always has been but it's good to

see him find it again after a down year at ole miss for sure uh my guy that i'm i'm talking about we'll get back on producer ryan's good side with this one um if the show gets posted shock yeah right sakiolina's got the best defensive line in the country oh it's stupid good they do dylan stewart they're five-star freshmen unreal was unreal through the first two weeks and then yeah you know struggled against some the veteran offensive tackles from from lsu but nfl tackles yeah absolutely they got um tj sanders in the middle they got tonga hemingway in the middle and. They got TJ Sanders in the middle. They got Tonka Hemingway in the middle.

One of my favorite names in the entire country. Tonka Hemingway. Yeah, it's pretty good. Tonka Hemingway. You got the name of a Tonka truck mixed with... Hemingway was a novelist. I want to get that right. Oh. I didn't want to call him something a little bit off, but...

Is that the correct term? Ernest Hemingway was an American novelist. Novelist. Nice, nice, nice. You did it. Tonka Hemingway. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, he's violent.

And he's got the brains. Yeah, he's smooth with his words. The fourth guy on that defensive line is somebody that I did not know at all going into the season. He is a fifth-year transfer player from Georgia Tech, Kyle Kennard, and he's been absolutely balling this season. Yes, he was the one in the LSU game who pushed Garrett Nussmeier down, and it was the reason why they didn't have the pick six that probably would have won them the game.

That's why I called it controversial. Listen, the call was soft as shit. It's not good. Nussmeier sold it, you know? credit he did you have to do their classes did what he needed to do as a quarterback that's also you know underrated part of being a pro quarterback being able to sell that stuff sometimes you just got to do what you got to do for the team you talk about being a politician sometimes you got to do Garrett Nussmeyer he's a pro he a pro, even in that regard as well. But I felt bad for Kyle Kennard because it has been a really good season for him.

And I thought it was a really nice game against LSU. And those two offensive tackles that we just talked about are really good, those future NFLers. And Kennard has been, he's been balling this season. He's been playing very, very well. And as a fifth year player, I think he's got a lot going for him so he's about six foot four six foot five depending on what the official measurements are going to be he's around 255 pounds he has an explosive first day connor i'm not gonna lie i watched his tape and i went why don't we know you like why am why am i looking you up for the

first time right now why were you not one of these players that we were supposed to know during summer scouting? And people might yell at us in the comments. They might be like, yo, we knew about Kyle Kennard, and you guys didn't. What are you doing? You're slacking. It's true. We got to be better. But I just don't know how this guy wasn't on higher on people's radars. Now, I understand.

Played for four years at Georgia Tech. But, like, again, I'm watching the tape, and I go, how is this? How am I learning about this guy for the first time? First and foremost, you talk about John Ledyard calls them the pillar of pass rushing, right? When you talk about evaluating defensive linemen, I love the way that he says it because it's just rolls off the tongue. It's great what he said. The first pillar of pass rushing is explosiveness. It's your first step. How do you get off the ball? Can you get off the ball fast enough at an NFL level? Kyle Kennard does that. He also then, I thought that when I saw the first rep, I went, okay, is this guy just going to be speed? He doesn't really know what he's doing. Is that why I haven't heard of him before? No.

Dude, the second play of the game, he hits this sick little like cross chop that I'm like, okay, all right, you know what you're doing here. Then I watch him hit a club rip combination. I see him do like a two-handed swipe. I saw him try to hit a ghost move and a dip around the outside shoulder. Like this guy's got the bag. So he is somebody who is a perfect candidate for this accolade that we give out every single week because he has the tools. I just don't think the eyeballs were on him.

Really fast hands, plus arm length as well for being around 6'5". I think the first step turns into good top speed up the arc as well, where he can bend a little bit too. I was really, really impressed with Kyle Kennard. And again, whoever the defensive line coach is at South Carolina, I need to look up his name. Actually, I knew who it was. I just forget his name. Send him the Shaq meme. I need to look up his name. Actually, I knew who it was. I just forget his name.

Send him the Shaq meme. I was not familiar with you. For what you did with TJ Sanders last year, for what you were doing with Dylan Stewart and what you were doing with Kyle Kennard, I was not familiar with your game, buddy. And you are doing a phenomenal job coaching defensive line in South Carolina

because I really do think that it's one of the best in the country. Now, some weaknesses from Kennard. You know, He rushes from a two-point stance a lot, so he naturally rushes a little bit high. He's not as confident attacking the inside shoulder as he is the outside shoulder. Would love to see him develop. If he developed an inside spin, oh dude, it'd be nasty because he already has like a, uh, like a chop rip move that he likes to go to, to attack the outside shoulder. If he really got an inside spin move down, you, he already does the chop with regularity. So if you are about to chop and the offensive lineman just thinks,

okay, he's about to rip me next. I'm going to keep riding him to the outside shoulder. I'm going to get him out of the pocket. And you chop him and then boom, the elbow comes around and you spin. You're going to have these offensive tackles like grasping at nothing, trying to hang on to. So need a little inside move from him. And I think that we're really cooking here. And then I also just think he needs counters.

He's got a lot of initial pass rush moves. Let's develop some counters when he gets locked up a little bit, get off the blocks a little bit quicker. But Kyle Kennard from South Carolina, playing really well. He's got his highest pass rush grade of his career so far, 82.6. Before, it was last year, it was 73.7. So you could see that he's developing. He's getting better and better, which you love to see that progression as well.

But he's playing really good football, 18.4% pass rush win percentage. He's already got 14 pressures. He's already got five sacks on the season. So Kyle Kennard, man, big fan of his. I think that he could be a riser potentially even in the top 50.

I'm excited to watch him. I mean, just hearing that watch him specifically because I've watched this group collectively, but to stand out like that and kind of get lost with all the talent that's around him, it's big time stuff. All right, my player that we have not talked about on this show. Yep.

I'm going to go small school here and go with left tackle Charles Grant from William & Mary. And shout out to Devin Jackson, who really does a great job finding these small school guys. And Devin is awesome. Real D underscore Jackson. If you want to take a look at his timeline, he's all over small school players all the time. And Charles Grant is someone that he comes into this year. I know the senior bowl has tweeted out that he's got arms well over 35 inches and you turn on the tape and it's small school tape, but he is a great athlete.

He is a great athlete. Now we'll see if he can get a little bigger. He's around 290 pounds right now. I think you'd like to get him up to 305, but the tape is exciting with Charles Grant when you watch him. Yeah, it's William and Mary, but what he's asked to do in the run game, get out of the gate and move and erase linebackers.

It looks like varsity against Peewee. It really does. When he gets his hands on linebackers, they don't really know what to do. They're kind of just a dead body immediately. And the thing that makes it special is that his first step off the ball is NFL caliber and more. I think he'll be an above average athlete in terms of how he tests short area. So Grant's a guy to me that I

think he's in line for a senior bowl invite. And I can't wait to watch him against the big boys because what he's doing on the small school tape right now, the feet and pass protection, he's really explosive athlete. I love what he could do as a zone blocker in the run game he's got to go to his own scheme at his size and it matches his movement skill like you put him in mike mcdaniel's run game this guy's a dream so and i think listen we haven't talked about him on this show if he goes to the senior bowl and he rocks out like this could be a third round pick for the offensive line out of william and mary that's the kind of athlete we're talking about here it's awesome i don't know anything about him.

The arm length, like usually, Trevor, we look at guys like this and we're like, damn, 290, small school. Like if he doesn't get through the process at 305, 310, and you know, he might have to play guard. When you got 35 plus inch arms, like now you just got to beef up and you can play tackle. That's the exciting part for him.

He's about 6'4", 290, but 35 plus inch arms. If he gets up to 305 for the process this is an NFL tackle potentially there is so much that you can get away with if you will if you win the arm length battle that much at that kind of that kind of athleticism right right it's just your movement skills are going to be great you're going to be able to get even you're going to be able to get because length You're going to be able to get, because length, obviously you want to be able to hit landmarks, certainly in pass protection, because you want to be able to get your feet underneath you

when you're going up against good speed rushers. But when you have longer arms, it gives you a little bit more margin for error hitting that landmark exactly when you need to, because if your hands are up and active, you still might be able to make contact with that pass rusher as they're sort of coming to hit that landmark to meet you there to bend around the edge so yeah i i gotta watch this player there's no doubt about it and shout out to devon obviously

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Terms and conditions apply. The last guy I'm bringing to the table, Harold Fannin Jr. from Bowling Green. You heard of him? No, but Bowling Green popped off two weeks ago. They did indeed, as did Harold Fannin Jr., their tight end, who, good football player. Shout out to Max Chadwick and Dalton wasserman the uh the dudes

who are doing the pff college show obviously dalton does the grades release show with me as well but they do a fantastic job covering college football in every single way that you could imagine if you guys love this podcast because of the prospect talk that we have please go watch and subscribe their show the pff college show uh they just. They do a really great job covering basically everything in the country and the most important news and all that kinds of stuff. So Harold Fannin Jr., they put him on my radar. Junior from Bowling Green, 6'4", 230 pounds. And I know what you're saying, Trev, small.

Can't even host the pod. What are we talking about? We're still talking about a good football player. Okay. A little bit of background for Harold Fannin Jr. Zero star count up zero star linebacker recruit from the 2022 recruiting class in high school. He played both safety and wide receiver, but he was also the punt returner and kick returner. He did basically everything. Also played basketball in high school, which you love to see the multi-sport background bowling green was his only offer out of high school and it was sort of a we're going to bring you on as an athlete we're

going to figure out what you are well he played in 12 of 13 games a true freshman didn't he had one start so he wasn't starting the whole time but he played in every single game and then he had eight starts last year produced really, really well. He's a good football player, man. Love the mentality with the ball was in his hands. He just immediately becomes a playmaker. I think he's got decent bursts from his size. If you watch him, yeah, he doesn't have the wiggle that some of the, these other, you know, more athletic tight ends do. So changing directions a little bit tougher for him but he's really balanced when it comes to contact he's strong at the catch point i mentioned that first step explosiveness gives

in some of those yards after catch as well um he feels like that that that move tight end that a lot of teams are looking for they could play in the slot you play him off the line of scrimmage you could even play him as an ex-receiver and be pretty comfortable with how he's going to go up against press, against outside cornerbacks. But the other thing is, he's a little bit smaller, right? 230 pounds. He is competitive as hell as a blocker, especially as a run blocker. Pass blocking, okay. The pass blocking grades aren't great because, again, there's a little bit of lateral stiffness with him.

If you're asking him to shuffle and kind of move side to side, he's slower doing that. That's why pass blocking the pass blocking grades are going to be much worse, but when he can line dudes up and he does so pretty well in run blocking, whether it's coming from the slot or even on the outside as an outside receiver, he does so pretty well. And I think he's got an 81.9 pass blocking grade on the season, if I remember correctly. So I think that it's an interesting tight end class. And there's a lot of names to know here. But Harold Fannin Jr. from Bowling Green remains a name to know

because of how productive he has been already this season, because I think he's got decent straight line athleticism, and again, because of how competitive he is as a blocker. So you could use him like at the top of the triangle and trips, or you could use him to the outside when you're kind of throwing a quick screen to somebody who might be in motion or a running back who's wheeling out of the backfield,

something like that. I just think that he can give you a lot of good reps, even if he is more limited as an agile athlete so harold fanny jr also wears number zero so i love the part you gotta appreciate a guy that looks the part zero for what's you know you're describing as an athletic move tight end that's an a plus football aesthetic in my opinion yeah 100 100 a big fan of that love Love it. We had a lot of players add to the list today on today's show, which is the goal of today's show. Oh, I forgot to mention, 93.7 receiving grade for Harold Vanden Jr.

So far this season. 93.7. This is a tight end, and he's getting 32.8 of a threat percentage. How often has he made it? It feels like he is the offense. He is the offense. Which is fine. It's great.

Go full Colorado State Trey McBride. I dare you, Bowling Green. Do it all year. It worked out great for Trey McBride's development. I looked it up the other day because, dude, get this. So Malik Nabors, this past week for the Giants, he had 18 targets on 28 total throws from Daniel Jones. Yeah.

63% threat percentage. 63%. That's utterly absurd at an NFL game. It is the highest single game threat percentage in PFF history nuts and the reason why I'm bringing this up because you said Trey McBride is because I went back and I was like did Trey McBride ever have anything close to like the 60 when he was at Colorado State yeah he had a handful of games in the 40s. Okay. And then I think he had one or two games in the 50s, but he didn't get to the 60s.

So Naver's game this past weekend for the Giants was still better than like the Trey McBride games. And it shouldn't change. It shouldn't change. It should increase. It should increase. I'm really fascinated with the Giants offense becomes if teams just start tripling Malik Naver's.

Every throw that doesn't go to Malik is simply malpractice. It's bad. It's a waste of everyone's time. Let us know what you thought of the names that we brought to the show today, whether it was the stock-up guys, the stock-down. Oh, I guess end of the show, who seems to be talking about stock-up, stock-down. My two stock-down guys, two quarterbacks that i had high

hopes for going in the season graham mertz jalen daniels you know i'm watching jalen daniels at kansas and he started off well but the first opponent kansas played was terrible it was not at their competition level and then you watched the last two fcs east yeah dude and it was yes north yeah essentially and um daniel was just he doesn't have the juice for the throws and it makes me sad because i think it's the injury history i mean he's got he's he had those back injuries man and i wonder if it just drained him because i'm watching i'm watching him this year and he just he doesn't even have the same zip on the throws that he had last year when he was healthy

it hasn't been pretty the turnovers are outrageous yeah so uh it's it's unfortunately got to be a stock down even though it's early i know it's it's a little bit of a stock down for jayden jayden daniels jaylen daniels in this uh in this quarterback class and then graham mertz as well really struggled against miami actually had a better game against Texas A&M but the problem with Mertz is that he was so um how do I say this like stoic in the pocket it felt is very like poetic and kind of like how he went about his reads and how the ball was coming out of his hands and the timing and everything and he doesn't have a super big arm either and the two areas that you really wanted to see from him this year is one if he's not going to have a huge arm for you if he's going

to be a lower a dot type of a player he's got to be an assassin with his accuracy like he's got to have bonix oregon type of accuracy numbers where i mean he's just hitting you at over an 80% adjusted completion percentage clip and the ball placement has not been as good this year. And then you throw in the other aspect that you were really hoping, certainly me, was hoping to see better from him in this season is throwing it deep because last year we got really great risk averse play from him where he was able to just keep things on schedule keep things going he was an accurate player but he just didn't really throw the ball deep certainly against miami had multiple opportunities to do that poor deep throws both of those times and i

think is it uh one deep throw that he had no he had a couple of deep throws i think it gets texan it just again it he does not look like he took the steps that he needed to in that direction. If we see him in the second half of the season and he starts becoming this player that can really hit deep, great. But he's got DJ Lagway on his heels now. And I don't even know how much longer that Graham Mertz is going to be the starting quarterback for the Gators. So if you were to tell me that, okay, let's say they go to lag way soon as the full-time quarterback merch is nowhere near the QB for label that I gave him in hopes that he was going to take that step up and be in a deep passer. He just, he did not prove that at this point in time. So both of

those guys had hopes for them. They were going to continue to take steps in the right direction. I think they've unfortunately both done the opposite. So a little bit of stock down for those guys good stuff from you though still an update on those guys i'll try to do a little bit more stock down as we're going to be a full month into the season soon it's it's hard it's hard it is but those are but those were fair i mean those you could seeing what someone is physically this time of year is very evident rather than like you know hey if i'm waiting for a guy to break out and it's just not happening six weeks into the season, then it's just not happening.

So we'll get there for more of those. So, uh, let us know what you thought of all the names that we brought to the show today. Uh, whether it was stock up the new names, the day three to top 50,

whatever it is, let us know, uh, best way to do that at, uh, it's, it's youtube.com backslash at NFL stock exchange. There we go. I've said it a million times, Trevor, you should be better at YouTube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. There we go.

I've said it a million times, Trevor. You should be better at this. The comments that you guys were able to show us when we did the Bryce Young episode were incredible. Getting to read all those opinions about what you guys thought with what his stock was and all that. It was phenomenal. Most of you, Connor, I think from reading most, if not all of the comments, I think the consensus feels like Bryce's trade value is like a sixth round pick, sixth, seventh round pick, something like that. Yeah, or depending what you watch, it could be Matt Stafford. There were some people that I will say to the team that I feel like was consensus that y'all would want to see Bryce on

was either Miami or the Rams. Which is totally logical. The Raiders are also in there. There weren't as many Raiders, but I think most people were saying, hey, Miami Dolphins or Los Angeles Rams, so we got that. But let us know in the comments, once again, what you thought of these players. If you are not on YouTube, get us up on Twitter and instagram at tim paytray at connor j rogers um we will be back with you

next week i think back to the regular schedule but yeah pops off every time it kills me every single time connor do you have anything else outside of that brilliant uh uh brilliant impersonation i'd like to sign off on that okay all right he's signing off on that i'm trevor sicken with that is connor rogers thank you guys so much for watching listening to the nfl style exchange podcast we will see you next week Thank you.