NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 276. Mailbag Stock Up, Stock Down For 2025 NFL Draft

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers read your comments and requests for new players to talk about in the 2025 NFL draft and bring 10 new names to the table with thoughts of where they can fit in this class.

Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, it is a mailbag, stock up, stock down edition of the show. That means that we're bringing 10 names to the table, 10 names that you probably have not heard before on this show for the 2025 NFL Draft. And it is all driven by the addicts, the people. We read your comments. We watched the tape of the players that you wanted us to watch and talk about. Here we are to do it.

I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. Trevor Sycamore, Connor Rogers joining you guys for a very special mailbag edition of Stock Up, Stock Down, where we give you the people. That was my best Bane impression I could do while on a podcast. We give you guys the keys to the show and we're going to do Stock Up, Stock Down, but it's going to be 10 names, five from me, five from Connor. They're all going to be listener suggested. We told you that we read the comments and we did a couple of episodes ago. We told you to fire off a name that we haven't

talked about here on this podcast that we can talk about for you. And so here we go. Connor, I'm excited. Not only new names, but new names from the people. I love it, man. How you doing? I'm good, man. It's the democracy here, right? I mean, we are literally letting, I screenshotted five messages I got. I will shout all of you out appropriately and just jumped into the tape, right? And some of the names you recognize, it could have been someone you had written down during summer scouting,

but I also tried to make a point to really dive into tape, you know, deeply for the first time on some of these guys. So this is a cool exercise. It's a good way to do it. It helps us get more names on the show. And listen, we always say this, Trevor, this is a community. It's not just me and you talking to the people. So to get everybody involved is a, is a pretty unique way for us to do our stock watch show. Yep. Yep. We're hoping that this is a good little thank you for you guys, you know, flooding the comments and helping the show, helping the show grow all that great stuff. The engagement with it, we see from the show, obviously it's,

it's part of why we love doing it so much. So I'm excited to get to these 10 guys. Um, shoot. I was going to say something before. Oh yeah. Uh, apologies for my microphone on the mock draft episode. A couple of you guys were commenting on that. And when I was going to listen back, I heard that it was like super choppy it's weird that room that we have that's a that's a it's a podcast room in pff but connor didn't tell me that my mic was choppy while we were recording because it wasn't for him i think it was the internet like just because we're fully transparent on the show and that room in PFF, like sometimes the internet can be super spotty. And it also took a long time for the podcast to upload the files when we were

done. So I wonder if it was like the internet was so poor. It was like clicking in and out with my audio because you didn't hear anything that was wrong on the audio when we were recording it. I didn't hear it till afterwards when it was when Ryan was going through edits but I just wanted to say to the people I appreciate you powering through that one obviously that's a big deal the mock drafts episodes getting a lot of views getting a lot of eyeballs and we really appreciate it um so I I wish the audio was better for you guys but again really appreciate you guys power through won't record in that room again. I'll record somewhere else. Hopefully, we don't have that problem again.

But just want to say that to the people. The good news, we got a podcast room. The bad news, the internet's not working. Yeah, I don't know. And it's weird because it hasn't always been like that. We've recorded, shoot, that's the same room that we record the post-draft or that I record the post-draft episodes from. And we haven't had that problem before. But we're going to switch it up. that we record the post-draft or that I record the post-draft episodes from.

And we haven't had that problem before, but he's going to switch it up. We got a couple of different rooms at PFF that I can commandeer, steal from people that might have important meetings. The podcast is more important. They understand. They get it. They're addicts.

All right. We got 10 guys we want to get to. I will let you go first. Who's the first player that you want to bring to the table here for Stock Up, Stock Down? Iowa center, Logan Jones. Nice.

This is a recommendation or a suggestion or an ask from Jack Bagesk. If it's Bagesky, I apologize, Jack. Listen, this guy, some of you might recognize right off the bat because he was on Feldman's Freaks, Logan Jones. He is a converted defensive lineman in the feldman's freaks right up jones has the iowa squat record at 695 pounds he has clocked a 153 10 yard split which would be a record for an iowa offensive lineman and like think of the offensive lineman that have come out of this program that's where it's you telling me that he's hit the squat record at Iowa?

The only better squat record in the country might be Penn State. You would think, right? It has to be, like, this is top five. You're talking about Alabama, Georgia, Iowa, Penn State. Right. Here's the one that is just galaxy. Like, a 409 shuttle?

That would be... Yeah. I'm trying i want to put it in i want to put into uh perspective for people you know what that what that would be so the average on mock draftable i want to make sure i have this right it's four six six dude yeah the average four six He's 466. Dude. Yeah. The average. 466. That's nuts. I mean, he's flying. What would you say it was? 409? 409.

What's the percentile on that for interior offensive linemen? I think it would be the best. Let's look right now. Yeah, it would be the best. So the best ever that we have in the database is Jason Kelsey. Shocking. Shocker. At 414.

Wow. I know. Okay. All right. How's the tape? Does the tape match? So let's jump into the tape. Right.

This is what I wrote down from watching his games this year. Shocker on the first line. Explosive athlete in the run game. Whoa. This is why they pay me the big bucks, folks. I could take the data and translate it to tape scouting reports. He is so quick into the rep. It's it's truly it's not shocking when you see the numbers,

but it is nice that it actually translates in pads. He gets on top of linebackers before they can even diagnose the play. He struggles to consistently sustain blocks. There are so many times where he snaps the ball. He just launches off the line of scrimmage. And he's right on the linebacker. And the linebacker is trying to just read his keys and understand what's happening in front of him.

And he just doesn't hold the block long enough that's it's almost like a timing issue in a sense so that's something i want to see him improve is just to stay in those blocks to really make a really good run game into a great one when he gets under defenders he could dump them even if they're you know bigger than him this is someone that when you look at lo Jones, I want to see his listed here. So his listed is 6'3", 293. So obviously you're looking for him to play in the 300-pound range at the NFL level, which I think he will.

Okay. I'd love to see just better snap-by-snap intensity. I wrote down I'd like to see it go from, it's at a 7 right now. I'd love to see it go up by snap intensity i wrote down i'd like to see it go from it's at a seven right now i'd love to see it go to an eight or nine and what i mean by that is it's just there's plays where he dumps nose tackles he plays through the whistle there's also times where he doesn't sustain a block and it feels like you just want a little bit extra grit and edge and i don't think it's a a demeanor thing i think it's one of those things where he's such an explosive athlete that is his mental and his athleticism and his technique are

trying to tie together and they're just not tied together because the athleticism is so far ahead of everything else that when he does miss a rep he's trying to process everything so i is where sometimes it's like man you're just so gifted just go out there and play right like just go out there and play get your hands on someone scratch and claw fight don't be afraid to get into a street fight at times the hand play you need you need that at center you need you just you need it at center because you're asked all the time to get out of the gate and go to linebackers you're pulling on dbs sometimes you're sitting your ass down and trying to hold a nose tackle at the point of attack it is a very difficult position to play and that's

just the physical side not getting into the mental side of what you have to identify the hand placement still developing there's times where he just throws them high or late or you know once again i'm really nitpicking here um this is an outside zone starting center at the nfl level with the right coaching there you go yeah i i think so i think that he's just gonna have to continue to get bigger and stronger but if i was looking for a development if he declares and i'm looking for a developmental center you know round three to four because of his testing this is who i'm taking and you look at schemes you know we talk about mike mcdaniel all the time takes undersized centers but

yeah logan jones he's he's just such a unique athlete, man. It's crazy. Yeah, and obviously that's sort of what you want your baseline to be, I would say, when we talk about the NFL level. Because obviously tape, technique, things like that, that helps you hone in on being a better football player. There's no doubt about it. But for basically every position in the NFL,

outside of quarterback, because it is a unique position just to itself, there's an athletic threshold about playing in the league. And the better of an athlete you are, the more margin for error you almost have as a player. And so it's the special ones that can be the great athletes that are able to tie in the great technique and the timing and the football IQ and things like that. But, you know, some of the best football players that we've even seen come through over the last four to five years, guys that we love, some of the my guys on our list, sometimes it's the guys just play the game so well, like they play it the right way. The technique is there, the leverage, the hand placement, the IQ, anticipation, all of that, whatever it is. But they're just not athletic enough. And it can be a deal breaker or a deal maker. And I think that it's a really good baseline for Jones to have that sort of athletic profile to where, all right, maybe it's not perfect outside of that. But that's the stuff that you want to bet on. So I like it.

Ascending prospect. He was somebody who has gotten a shout out. And I'm glad that you were talking about him when you sent me over your list because he's somebody who has gotten a couple of shout outs in my Instagram DMs and some of the tweets that you guys have been sending us as well. So I had not gotten to him yet.

He was on my watch list because of the shout outs that you guys have done. So there we go. I'm glad that we got him in the show. The first guy that I want to gotten to him yet. He was on my watch list because of the shout-outs that you guys have done. So there we go. I'm glad that we got him in the show. The first guy that I want to bring to the table was a popular one. Derek Harmon, the defensive tackle from Oregon. We had a lot of people shout him out. In just the comments of that episode, which, again,

I had more people reach out to me and mention him, but in just that comments of that show, we were requesting mailbag players, Agent Jordy, Khan, Alex Hernandez, Joshua, and then even friend of the show, Bro Schmo, who I know you guys love his YouTube channel as well. We've collaborated with him in the past. I've hopped on his show and done a mock draft with him before. He even reached out to me earlier this week,

didn't even know that I was going to talk about him, but specifically asked about Derek Harmon. So all those people have already reached out and I wanted to make sure that I got him on the radar because he's been somebody that you guys have been shouting out quite a bit. So he's a former three-star prospect, plays at Oregon, like I mentioned, but he actually started his college career at Michigan State. When he was in high school, though, I'll go back to that, played both offensive and defensive line for all four years that he was in high school. So this guy has a ton of experience within the trenches, committed to Michigan State, redshirted his first year, and then he was a rotational player his

second year at Michigan State, then a full-time starter in his third year at Michigan State. Really good run defender last year. He's listed at 6'5", and then at Michigan State, I think they had him around like 320, 325, which 6'5", 320, 325 for an interior defense flyman. I mean, that's a big boy. That's a large human. He had pretty nice run defense grades because of it. 81.1 run defense grade last year, the pass rush grade from him last year was pretty low. The pass rush win

percentage was below 10% this year. Now he's at Oregon. They've got him listed at three 10. And I can tell you that's not just Oregon lying. You can visibly see because his grades were so different pass rush wise and run defense wise over the last two years, one at Michigan State, one at Oregon this year. I went back and I watched some of his Michigan State stuff. He is visibly a bigger player at Michigan State. He's got a lot more weight around the midsection. He's got some more weight in the lower half and he has a lot more weight up top as well. And you know, it's a decent amount of weight around the midsection. So you probably could have looked at him at Michigan state and said, okay, you could probably lose a little bit of that, but he wanted to be a really good run defender. And I think that's what he was

when he was at Michigan state. So now with him at Oregon weighing three 10 to me, just visually, he very clearly has lost at least 15 pounds from what we saw in Michigan State, maybe even a little bit more. And the pass rush numbers this year are much better. 87.2 overall grade this year at Oregon. 91.4 pass rush grade through four games for him. 20.6. Remember, I said his pass rush win percentage last year was like a 9.7 this year

it is a 20.6 so it is much different he is so much better at rushing the passer because he feels lighter specifically i mentioned the weight in the midsection man it's not there nearly as much as it was for him in the past it looks like he has really shed the bad weight and kept a lot of the good weight on. He'll show you some nice finesse moves that he's working on. You know, he's got a nice little club rip combo. Um, he he'll, he'll execute the arm over move. He likes to do a swim in an arm over move. So those are kind of the things that he does pretty well. He's got fast hands too. he's got plus length because he's six foot five as interior defensive lineman but but i think i'm gonna be lower on him than what it sounds like some of the addicts are going to be where you know he would fit in in y'all's interior defensive

line rankings because one do you remember tim settle coming out of virginia so tim settle and he's still in the nfl i was just saying i heard his name the other weekend i was like oh tim settle it was literally like the what's it called meme of dicaprio and um oh when he's pointed the tv yeah yeah yeah great movie and yes yeah mine once upon a time hollywood um yeah that's literally what i felt like when i heard tim settle's name the other day so he started his career with washington he was a fifth round pick he played for buffalo now he plays for the houston texans i think he's my comp for harman and he was a fifth round pick because the build is pretty similar with these guys settle kept up a lot kept a lot of weight like up top like above the waist and he was just uniquely not as well built lacking that

yes in the pants um below the waist like the glutes and the hamstrings and the quads specifically like the calves and the ankles like he just it's it's it's more of a narrow build uh in his lower half and harman's kind of built like that even with that extra weight around the midsection now off of him and the reason why i bring that up is not to, you know, be body shaming or anything like that. It goes into the run defense grades with him because the run defense grades now with him weighing a little bit less, he doesn't still have that power in the lower half to really be able to hold the point of attack. And he just has a 61.1 run defense grade this year so he's clearly sacrificing size and strength to be a little bit faster and to be a better pass rusher

i don't know exactly where he's going to settle in when it comes to what that ideal weight is for him to where he's going to tim settle in you know nailed it that's why they pay you the big bucks that is that one right there just tim settle pun which may have never been done before in human history uh and so i just wonder where he's going to fall with the weight and where he's going to play out you look at the body type for him best case scenario Christian Barmore like that's sort of the that's sort of the uh body composition play style comp of like if you think if you think the best of Derek Harmon at Oregon you think that it's going to be him gaining a little bit of weight but it makes him even more powerful even more explosive I'd like for him to be a little bit more violent

in his pass rush moves as well and that then you get to Christian Barmore but if not it's somewhere on the scale a little bit lower of like okay now we're talking maybe maybe Tim Settle like maybe a Justin Jones as well a rotational defensive lineman who's sort of built the same way close to six four six five with that extra length that's sort of the scale that I feel like he is on but i am more towards the i think tim settles a better comp than like the highs of a christian bar more so a lot of you guys have shouted out there can't harman from from oregon and uh those are my initial thoughts on him watching a couple of games here in 2024 very interesting while you were talking about him initially i was just adding him to my doc and, you know, kind of writing that background because it's very helpful when you go through this.

Like when you really do full tape dives for seven rounds of this starting probably closer to December rather than the buildup we've been doing right now. And that's an interesting evolution for a guy, right, where you're talking about playing on the defensive line and a 15 pound difference and a totally different role. It's I mean, it sounds like it's um it i mean it sounds like it's good for him this year right like it's kind of helped him pop a lot more especially the amount of people asking us about him and the way he's grading out in the system so it seems like the transfer was actually a good move for him and i agree and i will say this too i really did not like settle as a prospect when he was coming out of virginia for a lot of the same reasons that I'm kind of talking about with Harmon is I have a little bit of, I'm a little bit skeptical now of what he could be as a run defender, just again, because of how he is built.

Settle, since he has gotten to the NFL, has sort of rounded out his mass and his strength, and he is a stronger player. So you go through a couple of off seasons in the NFL, you get to a healthy weight that you feel good about how strong you are yet, how fast you want to be. And so he could sort of be like a developmental player in that regard. Cause clearly it's, it's very in flux right now of what he was last year versus what he is this year. But it'll be interesting to monitor with him because he is a fourth year guy.

He is a senior. And I think he'll probably come out in the draft this year. But, well, actually, he'd be a redshirt junior this year. So, I guess he's got one year of eligibility left, but we will see. Who you got next? South Carolina safety, Nick Emanuori. Yeah. Emanuori.

Emanuori, yep. Emanuori. Yeah. I know this is a name that we actually have kicked around on the show a little bit because he's such an interesting player thank you luke lowry who asked for this one iman warry i mean he's six foot three 227 pounds but to be fair south carolina has played him 86 snaps in the box 61 in the slot and 61 at free safety i mean there's reps that you turn on the tape and he's he's out there like he's lined up on mars and you're like damn it's like camp chancellor status

when you're that big and you're out there at times so eman warry was a big standout as a freshman and he really is this hybrid safety linebacker. They use him in all kinds of roles. I love him as a future outside linebacker that can be a big nickel in certain packages. If you want to have a guy that can match up with tight ends, he can kind of play that form of the slot or an overhang and still help you out in the box against the run. I don't know about every down.

I thought that he was a little stiff in space at times. There was a couple of times I just thought he couldn't flip his hips or he couldn't come to balance against a more shifty runner. He catches his interception opportunities with great length. Like that's what you got to love about this guy. When he's in position, he can catch the football and he can make a play with long arms. I think that he's somebody to me that is a really interesting hybrid player as the NFL is in this weird state that teams are trying to run the ball when they have lighter boxes and they're trying to get outside zone working and attack your DBs and make your DBs tackle.

This is the kind of player that teams will love to have as a third linebacker or third safety or both to kind of have an answer in sub package roles to do a lot of different things. So I liked his instincts. I think there was some bad angles to the ball. I think he's not somebody I would necessarily want in man coverage a lot more in zone coverage where he could see things in front of him, but I love that size and physicality against screens. Like when he sees a screen,

he marches downhill. He's got speed to play it downhill. He's physical against a ball carrier. So E-Man Worry was somebody that, you know, people have asked us about because he is a unique player. You don't see a lot of guys playing free safety snaps at six foot three, almost 230 pounds. Right.

You know, I think it kind of reminded me, we've seen some guys flip back to linebacker at the NFL level. The Jets did that with Jamie and Sherwood. He was a safety at Auburn and now they play him as an outside linebacker, but the way they play him at times, it's almost feels like a third safety. That's how I kind of feel like E-Man worries NFL projection will be as well. Yeah. I mean, like you look at sort of what DeMarvian Overshone has been for the Cowboys, where he's sort of been this like you know safety linebacker you know it's it's a it's it's different because they're different players but like

the conversation with uh Jeremiah Owusu-Koromoa of like okay slot defender safety linebacker now Owusu-Koromoa is a little bit smaller so it's not the same sort of argument that we're talking about here but Imanwari uh I don't know if you saw like he is also on feldman's freaks list i don't know if you knew this he's 11 on the list i think that's when we we started to quickly mention him on this show that's when he popped yes yes the the numbers that feldman has for him in this article six foot three 227 pounds broad jumped 11 four insane it's ridiculous vertical jump 42 inches 24 reps of 225 squats to 565 pounds and um shane beamer said that he he almost hit 23 miles an hour oh the straight line gps is stupid stupid it's yeah the straight line explosiveness and he's he is built like a brick shithouse i have zero questions about that i think the change of direction agility yes like is what i want to know about more than those things but

there's no denying i mean this dude is he's a different one so with him i think i brought him up when we did summer scouting because i did watch him and last year's tape i kind of had the same exact thoughts with you of okay this is what i like this is what i'm a little bit skeptical of and it is it's that lateral movement it's that agility with him it's that stop and start stuff that sometimes you just have to have as anybody who's playing in space at the NFL level because the ball is just coming out so quick. These guys next to you who are catching the football are so quick.

You've got to be able to react to it. I was a little bit skeptical about that. I will say this. There is a hint of, okay, you're in the right place, right time. But I also think like, okay, you also put yourself in the right place, right time. And so Eamon Worry has at least put himself in those good situations to where sometimes you go,

all right, well, they kind of threw the ball right to him. He's still there. A couple of those interceptions and forced incompletions, he still puts himself in those situations. So I don't want to totally take that away from him because I think he is better than what I watched from last year's tape to at least what I can see from him in coverage this year. All right.

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defenders in the country right now at a 90 grade and it's you know sometimes you see that early on in the season it's a name that I had not heard of Campbell before honestly he was shouted out Alex shouted him out in the comments uh Jekyll Katz shouted him out in the comments like there are people that were that were shouting him out and those were the comments that got like a of likes to them, which means that I know that people who are watching and going through the comments are like, I would have said Campbell, and I'll just like this one to make sure that it gets to the top of the list. It did for me

because sometimes you get four games into the season, it's a name you haven't heard of, they're grading out really well, and you go, small sample size, right? Well, they play like 50 snaps. He's played 259 snaps. This guy's got a 90.7 run defense grade,

87.4 coverage grade, and a 71.8 pass rush grade. The lowest categorical grade that he has is a 71.8. The man's a stud. He's playing on fire. He's a true junior this year for Alabama. I know Deontay Lawson gets gets a lot of the publicity and he is having a better year as well but Campbell six foot three

240 pounds that's 80th percentile and 50th percentile for an off-ball linebacker he is a former five-star edge rusher recruit from New Jersey uh I found this fact. At 16 years old, he received a scholarship from Clemson. Got a scholarship from Clemson before he got his permit to drive. It's unreal. It's like Ryan Williams, the wide receiver at Alabama.

Dude's out here changing multi-billion dollar entities and the man can't even vote yet it's insanity absolutely insanity oh man can't even have a victory cigar he's not old enough it's unbelievable um well well you know no no you're right you gotta wait he can't be young he can't purchase it yes yes just you know we're rule followers here on this podcast. Just want to make sure everybody knows that. So he played his first three seasons of high school ball in New Jersey,

where he's from. But then his senior year, he transferred over to IMG. At IMG, his senior year, he played both wide receiver and defensive end. Ended up picking Alabama over Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M. Those are kind of the final schools that he was deciding between. When he got to Alabama initially, he was an edge rusher because remember I said he was an edge rush recruit kind of coming through that recruiting cycle. But eventually that first year that he was playing for the Tide, he did move the off-ball linebacker, played a lot of special teams and some linebacker

work that first year that he was there. But then he had eight starts last season in 2023. I really didn't know a ton about him, but I mean, the very first thing that stands out is this is a well-built, fantastic athlete playing at the off-ball linebacker position. I mean, he's got the height, he's got the weight, he fills out his frame very nicely, a ton of muscle in the upper half and half in the chest and the shoulders and the arms to be super strong there, but also really good weight in the lower half as well to be explosive and hold the line of attack and have good run defense, be a strong tackler. Those long arms really show up when he is diving for tackles and wrapping up these ball carriers.

You see that consistently. That's why he has a high run defense grade. Long strides, long leg strides, make it a breeze for him in pursuit speed when he is getting to the sideline, which is great. I think that as a pass rusher, he's clear. Like he doesn't, when I say that he's got the edge rush background, I think some people are like, oh, well, if you put him at outside linebacker,

like he's just going to be a natural pass rusher. Not exactly, but he still has a really explosive first step. He can be a consistent threat to the outside shoulder, and he does have a nice kind of like burst and then rip move to the outside that is effective and can disrupt quarterbacks and record those pressures. So even though he doesn't have a super deep pass rush bag, that explosiveness, the rip move, you know, him being able to hezy and get from one side to the other to cross offensive linemen's faces, that is still an option for him, and he is still pretty good at that, especially when it comes to those interior offensive linemen's faces, that is still an option for him. And he is still pretty good at that,

especially when it comes to those interior offensive linemen when blitzing up the A or B gap. So that is all there for him. I think the anticipation can be a tick slow from him. He's still sort of figuring that out. And then coverage, I wrote this down on my notes because the first couple of games that I watched of him, he's still getting that feel in coverage but then this past game against Georgia hey a pretty good feel to me so it was

almost like all right well I can see that you're already getting a little bit better of that stuff um tackling he he can tend to aim a little bit high but I think you could fix all that it's not like a it's not really like a you know some guys aim high because they just kind of want to like hit you or push you and that's it like they don't really want to be physical they don't want to put you in the shoulders like anything like that sometimes guys who've gone through like shoulder injuries or had stingers or just maybe if they're lower weight profile they don't actually like to put guys but like on their shoulder because it hurts i don't really think that's an issue with campbell i think he just aims a little bit high just naturally because he

the pad level is a little bit higher with him being 6'3", which is like 90th. No, it's 80th percentile for an off-ball linebacker. But those long arms also come in handy when it comes to forcing completions, getting in passing lanes, batting passes down at the line of scrimmage. He had an interception against Georgia as well. Connor, we're looking for off-ball linebackers in this class that can really stand out, that have that size, speed, athleticism, versatility to them. And I'm telling

you, man, Campbell is already in my top three linebackers. I already put him in my top three linebackers for this class because of everything that he brings to the table. And he's obviously doing it with a lot of snaps at a very productive level so he's got the volume early on this season and i can't wait to watch the rest of what this year has for him i'm with you all the way i've watched a lot of him on broadcast so far and sometimes you just kind of know right away when a guy has it at the position especially in this class where i think we came out of summer scouting a little uninspired with this group at times it felt like you know barrett carter has a lot of speed but the size questions there we both like danny stutzman a lot harold perkins unfortunate you know the situation he's in now with the injury but he was also a guy

where he's he can kind of be an in-between player. Then it was kind of, you know, you're looking for people after that. I thought at least. I felt like. Yeah, Kaiser, Lander Barton, like those guys are in this class. Yeah, Jay Higgins. Exactly, but how high are you drafting those? Right, right. It feels like Jihad Campbell is not in that tier.

He's in the, oh, he's going to go in the first two rounds. Yep. Different kind of cat. Yep. Do everything. He feels like the, oh, he's going to go in the first two rounds. Yep. Different kind of cat. Yep. He can do everything. He feels like a second round pick right now to me. I thought so. At least, you know.

And if the whole year continues for him to play this well, maybe you're talking about LB1, but we'll see. I don't want to get too ahead of ourselves, but he at least gives you the ceiling of an off-ball linebacker that you would find value in within the top 50 top 40 type of picks right all right my next one here is Missouri running back Nate Noel okay I don't know anything about him so chat to Trent Millsap the DM me about him Nate Noel has been in college for a long time he was at at App State before this year, and he played a lot at App State over the years.

He had over 1,100 yards in 2021. In 2022, he averaged almost seven yards a carry. He averaged 6.9 yards a carry. This year, 12 explosive runs already on 66 rush attempts. He's only 5'10", 184, and he looks small on film. He's slender, Nate Noel. But really good burst. He wins the foot race to the edge.

Defenders kind of lose him in the zone running game. It feels like he just weaves behind his blockers and through his blockers. And defenders kind of have trouble picking him out because he's small and he runs low in a good way he has excellent feel for flowing with the run flowing with his blockers he's just a total natural and outside zone it feels like he always makes the right decision and i don't know if it's a mix of well that's what i feel i feel like it's a mix of he he runs so skinny and slender through blockers and he knows how to put his foot in the ground and he's really got really good change of direction and short area burst that he can kind of just make it work all the time

when you give him the freedom to get a little momentum and then pick the alley that he wants. I think he's wildly impressive in outside zone. He can make people miss in the open field cuts spins definitely more quick than fast there's a lot of times where because of how gifted he is with vision and feel and quickness he gets to the third level of the defense and it's like dude green light you got a 40 you got a 50 you got a 60 or a touchdown and he gets caught or he just can't he can't really you know finish the run that's okay a lot of running backs are more quick than fast um i just want to see if he could you

know continue to be a factor in the past game he catches about three to four passes nothing crazy no not a ton of explosives in the past game and he's 5 10 184 pass pro is going to be an uphill battle in this league when you're let's be real trevor we don't have a lot of 100 sub 190 running backs in the league right right like the guy you even think of in even in that stratosphere is devon a chan right now so and he's not nobody's devon a chan spoiler alert so yeah man on a chan what's it yeah right not even devon a chan he's not even Devon Achan. No, not now. Not without Tua under center. He's certainly not. So, no, Nate Noel, really interesting player

because he's a super senior. He's been on the college football landscape for a while. He's been productive at App State. He's now productive at Missouri. He is a guy that creates yards, but he's also just so savvy and trustworthy and outside zone. And it wouldn't shock me if he ends up being a day three pick that you know is an rb3 on a roster going into next year as a rookie because of the

change of pace ability he gives you and just how experienced he is as a runner i i like it and it makes sense there's two offensive linemen who i've already watched from missouri in this class who block for him. Armand Membu, who is their offensive tackle, and then Connor Tolleson, who is their center. And those guys, the traits that I love about them as offensive linemen is what they can do as zone blockers. So it would make sense that they went and they tried to find a running back behind him who was able to execute zone blocking uh in that fashion so um i do like it we're gonna get to we're gonna get to a quarterback next i'm gonna bring a quarterback into the conversation we're gonna talk about kyle mccord because i've had quite a few people ask me about kyle mccord and uh it took me a while to get to his tape

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shout out to Brady Stephen Matthew they were in the comments they were like hey we got to hear your thoughts about Kyle McCord shout out to Max Chadwick as well who does the college football show with Dalton Wasserman Max has been he's a big Syracuse guy and so he's been like Kyle McCord come on so I had to watch it I have nothing else but for Max but we had a couple of other people shout him out as well so he is a I think he's a senior he's got to be a senior yeah he's a senior because the first two years that he was at Ohio State he was CJ Stroud's backup and obviously wasn't taking over for Stroud won the starting job before last season beating out Devin Brown. And it was a good year. I mean, they were 11-1. He played well, but it just felt like there needed to be more there

within the offense. When you go back to sort of his recruiting profile, there's a reason why there was high expectations for him. He was a four-star quarterback. Some places had him as a five-star quarterback. He was the Pennsylvania Gatorade Player of the Year, won three straight state championships in high school. He was actually teammates with Marvin Harrison Jr.,

which I somehow didn't know before I looked this up, which is funny that obviously they both went to Ohio State and were playing for Ohio State last year. So Ryan Day, after last year, I think it was after the Michigan game, after they lost the Michigan game, would not really commit to Kyle McCord as his quarterback, if I remember correctly.

And then McCord was like, all right, I'm out. So he transfers over to Syracuse, and he is playing well. The measurables, he's a little bit smaller. He is 6'3", 220 pounds. That's 55th percentile. So 6'3", actually, is a little bit over the 50th percentile average at the NFL. And then 220 pounds is 45th percentile. What I see from him this year, there is a lot to like about him.

Some strengths that I wrote down after watching his games this season. Very light on his feet, always bouncing around, ready to throw with a good base. Consistent and fundamentally sound throwing motion, especially the beginning half of the season. A little bit dicey these last couple of games, but we know that he could do it and he's conscious about it. The throwing mechanics have the potential to be really high in accuracy scores

and in ball placement because of how repetitive they are. I think he is a very nice touch passer from all three levels of the field, short, intermediate, and deep. That is what I think is a major calling card to his game. I also think he's a very smart football player. He is somebody who will go through progressions. He will view the whole field as an option to throw the ball to. We've talked about that before with quarterback evaluation, where some guys, it's very limited. They're either looking at a certain concept. Okay, this is a high low. If the corner stays high, we're throwing it underneath him. If he

stays low, we're throwing it over the top of him, right? Things like that, where you're kind of just watching like one defender or you're splitting the field in half. That's not really McCord. I'm not saying that they don't call those concepts at Syracuse, but there were multiple times when I was watching him and his tape this year where he is looking fully left, fully right, and then finding the right player within the defense. And so I think this is a high IQ guy who understands the game of football and playing the quarterback position at a sort of limitless level where you can sort of teach him and put things in front of him where I'm not going to say everything's going to look perfect, but he's not going to be overwhelmed as a player. He's got a very calm demeanor in the pocket, which I love, but you can tell after big runs or big completions, he is a fiery competitor. So you love that conversation or that combination with him as well. Some of the drawbacks with him. I don't think he has get out of trouble arm strength. I said that I love the touch passes because I think he anticipates things very well.

But those moments where it's like, okay, this guy kind of came open a little later than I thought. Let me put my foot in the ground and drive this bad boy straight at them. He doesn't really have that part of his game. When it comes to the escapability he can extend plays a little bit but he he doesn't seem to have the tools to really be a great out of structure quarterback he is playing better under pressure this year because it was gonna be honest with you bad last year he had a 33.4 passing grade but our pressure at ohio state it's a let me see what it is this year 77.2 which is is great. The big time throw

percentage is higher, but the turnover worthy play percentage is also higher. Naturally, average depth target and completion percentage is about the same from him. So to me, he's a quarterback that can give you a lot of repeatable and consistent things. And he can hit a lot of repeatable and consistent things. And he can hit a lot of great touch passes, especially in the short to intermediate parts of the field. It's always a live hand grenade when you say this, but he reminds me of Brock Purdy.

He has very much the same demeanor, mentality, approach, willingness to see all the different levels of the field. And honestly, Purdy throws with touch excellently. That's what he did well at Ohio State. That's what he does well at the NFL. Now, when people hear Brock Purdy, the reason why it's a live grenade is because he was the very last pick of the draft, sort of for a reason, because he did not have those tools that you really feel like you can bet on and invest in. But he goes to Kyle Shanahan's offense and he just operates it with so much confidence and so much anticipation, such a high football IQ that it works. You put a good offensive line in front of him, you put a good reliable run game around him and really good

receivers and guess what? It works for him. So outside of Kyle McCord landing with Kyle Shanahan or Kevin O'Connell, maybe, I don't know exactly what he's going to be because it is a more limited quarterback prospect that I think we're talking about here. But there are things to like, especially through the first four or five games of this season, that make you think, all right, this is more of a legitimate player even as maybe an nfl backup than what we thought he was going to be last year at ohio state so there are my kyle mccord thoughts about a fourth of the way through the season but that sounds like a good step for kyle mccord considering where things ended last year sometimes a guy just needs to be out of the

spotlight of man like if you're him last year and it wasn't pretty i thought he underthrew his teammate and friend marvin harrison a lot when watching the mar film from last year or late it was just i'm sure things kind of compiled onto him where it was every time something it felt like was going wrong for that team while they were a very good team last year it was his fault and sometimes you just want to get out of that position and just get back to playing football and I think transferring to Syracuse has allowed him to get back to being more within himself rather than if we don't go undefeated and win the national championship I'm a failure and I think from a college fan perspective they might not like hearing that but from an NFL draft perspective of just not like hearing that but from an nfl

draft perspective of just playing the position at quarterback that can really help guys along we've seen it help guys along the way consistently who you got next who's number four for you all right number four for me is virginia tech pass rusher antoine powell ryland gator great he is a gator grade he was was with Florida for three seasons. I don't know if he did anything with Florida for those three seasons. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. He said, I'm taking my talents out of Florida into Virginia Tech in 2023. This came from Braden Holosek.

Thank you, Braden. Shout out. Seven sacks in five games this year. Boy, you wish the Gators had those seven sacks right now don't you no I don't couple of them against Cam Ward week one no I don't because we might need to blow it all up to be honest with you that's fair sometimes it's good to when to stink to just really stink as I've said during many Jets years six two and an eighth 242 pounds is what I have him as I know he's going to be a little bigger uh listed elsewhere so okay 18.5

pass rush win rate in 2024 so far really good start for power island he is never going to be this big edge setting run defender like you could just tell that right away he is not graded out very well against the run in terms of you know how well he's been as a pass rusher. As a pass rusher, there is a lot going on here. And I mean, he has really varied his approach in a good way. He knows how to dip his shoulder to get under and around pass blockers that come in high. He shows off a cross chop when he gets to rush wide to knock down that outside hand and turn the corner.

He got Marshall's right tackle with the spin move, and it wasn't the kind of spin move where he got off the ball and he just started to spin. He got off the ball, raised his hands like he was going to kind of get into a hand fight, and then spun. It was very impressive. Change of direction and flexibility is just mediocre to me. I don't see him as this overly bendy, flexible, agile kind of rusher.

And I'm going to be honest with you, Trevor, for a guy that I have written down at six, two and an eight, 242 pounds, that is not a plus run defender and maybe not an average run defender. That's a concern to me. You got to really check even more boxes as a pass rusher. I think he's crafty as a pass rusher. I think he does a lot of smart things with his hands. He wins in a lot of different ways, but he doesn't win with pure flexibility and agility where the NFL level, a lot of guys have good technique or a lot of different moves.

And he doesn't really have NFL level length, I thought, either. He seemed to have mediocre length as well. So he feels like a tweener between a stand-up guy and a hand in the dirt guy good effort uh it wouldn't shock me if he ends up sticking to a roster as you know a depth edge player for passing downs a nascar package and you try to get him a little bigger and stronger and develop him into an average run defender i thought the film was okay i guess my problem was i saw seven sacks in five games almost a 20 pass

rush win rate and he does win in a lot of different ways but i have become the draft evaluator at this position that is just enamored and so deeply attached to insane athleticism and i didn't see that. Yeah. My, my early comp for him, um, was Mo Kamara. Cause I wanted him to be Mo Kamara. Right. Yeah. You,

you get, you, you, you're smaller. You need to sort of be this pastor specialist, but even then, like, I think Kamara played with better bend and I think Kamara played with better

strength too. So I, I i i see a lot of the same things when i watched him in summer scouting and the passers win percentage number that's even better than it was last year and i like what it was last year was like a 15.7 i was like oh okay that's not bad anything in the 18 percentage i i like a lot for powell rylan i feel like that's a trending up and whatever he's going to be in the NFL. He seems to be putting his best foot forward this season, but I agree. When I watched him, what, what left me wanting more of the most was less of, okay,

I wish you were bigger because that's just, it's kind of stupid to say that like, he's not going to get, he's not going to get taller. Like, so it's, it's dumb for me to necessarily like say like, Oh, this is something that I wish he could work on, get taller. It's dumb for me to necessarily say, oh, this is something that I wish he could work on, get taller. But I wish he was more flexible. I do wish he had better bend to him because if he did, I think that we'd be talking about a pretty decent pass rusher and somebody who could be a good pass rusher specialist, which is actually a good transition into one of the guys

that I want to talk about, who is built very similarly. Caleb on IG shouted this player out and a couple of other people have as well. But Caleb most recently did. R. Mason Thomas from Oklahoma, who is grading out really well this year. He is a true junior. And he's built, again, very similarly. He's like 6'2". I think they got him listed around like 243. So it's almost the exact same build as Powell Ryland. Former four-star edge rusher. Former state championship winner from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Former track guy as well. I saw he ran track in high school, the 100-meter to the 200-meter to the the 400 meter, which is great. Played in 10 games as a true freshman in 2022. Played in nine games last

year as sort of a rotational player. And now he's getting a lot more in the mix. His dad, funny enough with the Gator connection, played Harvey Thomas played for the University of Florida in the 90s. So he's got a little bit of a college football and SEC background there to him. But think of exactly how you thought of a Powell Ryland, but a player who is a little bit more explosive, a little bit stronger, and bendier around the edge. Like that's the type of guy that we're talking about here because the weaknesses for our Mason Thomas, he's going to struggle with lack of length at the NFL level.

He just is. He just does not have great arm length, being at 6'2 for an edge rusher. I mean, this is, we're talking about 10th percentile and 5th percentile in height and weight. It doesn't look like he could put a lot more weight on his frame. Sort of what you see is what you get. It kind of is what it is. And he can get handled one-on-one when it comes to going up against guards or tackles. Sometimes tight ends, but he can normally get the better of tight ends and get clean against tight ends. When it comes

to run blocking and run defense, he can get blocked one-on-one. He can get washed out and that kind of just sucks. I think he is a specialized pass rusher because starting with the bad and getting to the good, tight corners, tight, there turns a tight corner around the edge of offensive tackles. No false step out of his rush, which means he is exploding out of that front foot. He is loaded. And the second that ball moves, he is up and into the field,

getting into the shoulder of the offensive tackle. He is a super high energy player, maximizes that natural leverage to get whatever kind of speed to power he possibly can by getting a little bit lower than offensive tackles, which you like to see. And I think the hand usage was, I'm remembering what I was thinking of when I was watching Powell Ryland, the hand usage for our Mason Thomas is like, it's just second nature. It was kind of

like Latu Latu last year, where when Latu started making contact with an offensive tackle, something was moving, right? I mean, like he was either smoothly getting into a club rip he was two hands swiping he was one he it was some sort of chop rip he was getting across the face like something was happening with his hands to keep him clean 90% of the time that's also how I feel when I watch Thomas now Thomas's numbers they do look good from a PFF grade perspective. He has an 85.5 pass rush grade, but that's pretty propped up by a 93.0 pass rush grade that he had against Tulane. The rest of the games this season have not been consistently as high. And the 13.5% pass rush win percentage, that is sort of evidence to that. It's funny that number is lower than it is for Powell Ryland,

but I think I like our Mason Thomas better in what he could be as that like speed rush specialist because of specifically how much more flexible he was and how easy it was for him to turn the corner and actually be a speed rusher. So I don't love him him i think he is a specialized player at the nfl level he's just a small edge rush guy but was really productive events two lane we'll see how he plays the rest of the season i actually don't really think he's

a candidate to come out this year with him being a true junior i think he's gonna stay by the season so we're probably gonna be talking about him next year as well. But those are some preliminary thoughts because a couple of people were asking me about him after that really good Tulane game. All right. My last one. I do have a bonus player after this, and I know you love that bonus. My last one here. LSU wide receiver Kyron Lacey, who I know you've watched. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. This was from Peyton Dun dunn thank you pay in six one and three quarters 215 pounds kyron lacy transferred from louisiana lafayette after the 2021 season he's got 25 catches through five games already with five touchdowns three were against nickel state but he's already got five touchdowns i'll be a little short and sweeter with this one because i know you've gotten into him before. But with Kyron Lacy right now, he's putting up big numbers as well. Obviously, you watch the tape. You can see some of the ways they used Malik Nabors.

He's gotten to step into that role with a lot of the motion and some deep targets. Lacy, to me, first off, he's got a dense build, which you really, really like. He's not the skinny receiver out there. And that's kind of the benefit when a guy is a fifth-year senior. He's been on a college weight and nutrition program at a high level for a long time that he comes into the NFL with an NFL body already.

And that's going to be Kyron Lacey from day one. As a player, as a a receiver it's clear that this guy has really worked on his footwork that's what jumped out to me I just saw precision and nuance and a lot of detail in his routes where and it's interesting because he's playing with a quarterback like Garrett Nussmeier who Nussmeier's game is more drop back rhythm and timing. So it's funny and there's there's nothing wrong. It's just different. Malik neighbors and Jane Daniels.

Jane Daniels could make these explosive, long, extended, drawn out plays. And Malik neighbors is shot out of a cannon. Same with Brian Thomas. With Nussmeier and Kyron Lacey. It's not, I'm not saying it's better. I'm just saying it's different. I see a lot more of the drop back timing game where Lacey steps in his

routes need to be perfectly timed with Nussmeyer's drops and what his release point. And it's impressive to watch them work together. Honestly, they clearly have put a lot of time into being backups at this program and taking advantage of their chance to play. And Lacey does some of the little things right besides that. He works back to the ball. He's not a drifter into coverage or a drifter away.

There's times where he drifts back into the quarterback to make it a little easier for him. He just consistently works back to his quarterback's throws um i don't think he's very fast i don't think he's this overly right like he's not this unique athlete or anything like that but he knows how to separate through detailed routes and i think he looks much more natural catching the ball this year than he previously has that um i mean i liked what i saw honestly i i think it's nfl quarterback throwing to nfl wide receiver when it comes to carolina now i'm not saying i'm not saying it's like superstar like you know quarterback one wide receiver one but these guys are playing to the pro level right that's how i fell it was a joy to watch because it was

you go from watching nfl tape and then you go to watching prospect tape. And in this industry, it can really feel like a different sport sometimes, whether what they're asked to do, what they are doing, the competition, all kinds of things. And when you watch Nussmeyer and Lacey, like the things they are doing on Saturdays this year is giving them a step ahead of a lot of people for what they're going to be doing on Sundays at some point in the future, where neither of them are the most physically gifted prospects in the world, but they are legitimate NFL prospects because of how pro ready and detail oriented they are. I do agree. I agree with you. All right. I got one more guy I want to get to. And then we got a handful of bonus ones that I kind of just want to do rapid fire. Some, some comments that I want to try to hit as many as possible here, But hey, if you were hiring for your small business out there, we know how it is. You want to find high quality professionals that are right for whatever that role is. That's why

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Eric Gentry, linebacker from USC. Extremely unique individual, to say the least. He is, I got to find his profile here to make sure that I get these numbers right with Gentry. Where is this? Where did it go? Come on. Oh, is it? I might've had it in the off-ball linebacker section because he is technically a linebacker and not an edge rusher. Here we go. So he's a senior at USC. Six foot six. You love it. 99th percentile for an off-ball linebacker. Starting off great. 205 pounds. Zeroth percentile. Now I know some people are going to say hey he's listed 215 don't think he's 215 i uh

have other sources that i think he is less than 215 so he was a three-star edge rush recruit from philly uh played both linebacker and defensive end in high school so uh that's that's you know that versatility is not really a um anything new for him also played high school basketball as well which i mean if he was six foot six i'd be pissed if he didn't play basketball would it be a waste didn't get to play a senior season of football because of the covet 19 pandemic but he actually committed to a arizona state at a high school in 2021 he was a consensus first team all freshman player at arizona state as an off-ball linebacker. But then after that season, he ended up transferring over to USC,

played 11 games with them in 2022, played 11 games last year, only had three starts. Now, he's having a pretty good year. I don't want to take anything away from him. He is having a really good year grades-wise. 91.5 run defense grade despite that lower weight profile, and he had a 90.4 pass rush grade last season. So the run defense grade is a lot higher and the pass rush grade is not as high, but he does have a 73.0 pass rush grade this season.

Above 20% pass rush win percentage in each of the last two years. So we talk about guys, ah, you know, 15% pass-through win percentage, 18%, 13%. Ah, it's not bad. It's not bad. Above 20% over the last two years. Very productive edge rusher. I can understand it. I'm glad that you guys asked about Eric Gentry because he is just such a unique football player. The length is awesome. I mean, it makes him such a mismatch for even offensive tackles. He wins the length battle. He gets to keep that advantage there. So offensive tackles cannot get into his chest because he's got the full arm extended, especially when he executes the long arm move. He's also really slippery. For a player who's six foot six, you don't often get to say

that, but lower weight profile, it kind of makes sense because he's got an extremely slender build. But he knows that, I like that he is so conscious of what he does well and what he doesn't because he understands that he is 200 pounds. He cannot go into the chest of offensive tackles. It will not go well for him. In fact, that's a big negative of his. When he gets locked up with an offensive tackle, it's pretty much curtains. Like he's not getting off the block. He's getting driven off of his his spot he's too easily moved against his will against other offensive tackles and it's such a negative that I don't love him as a prospect I think that he'll be like a day three guy a midday three guy but it's hard for him to be more to me because when I see him the strengths and weaknesses of what he does the strengths revolve around the

fact that he's uniquely long and the weaknesses are just the fact that he's uniquely light remember charles snowden from virginia i guess i just i guess we're just shouting out we're like really going into weird virginia deep cuts today yeah so snowden i thought this same thing he was this hybrid like stand-up edge rusher but off-ball linebacker guy, he ends up getting, uh, no, he was undrafted in 2021. And even Charles Snowden was like two 42, 45, maybe 40 pounds heavier than Eric Gentry. And I didn't Snowden really couldn't even cut it with, with appropriate NFL weight on his frame and so gentry i think is going to get drafted just because of his unique size but right it's hard for me to see him really being a consistent nfl player because one i don't really know what kind of a specialist he is because

he's not really a pass rush specialist he is right now but that's because he's a full-time player for usc i don't know if you're gonna play him as a pass rush specialist. He is right now, but that's because he's a full-time player for USC. I don't know if you're going to play him as a pass rush specialist at the NFL level because it's not really where he's trained right now. He's more of just an off-ball backer type of a guy, an outside linebacker type who will walk up to the line of scrimmage and still give you some pass rush reps every now and then. So I don't even know if we have like a specialized role for him. I think he's just this really unique fun college football player who is going to get a chance in the NFL I just don't know what to do with him so that's that's kind of my thoughts of watching him last year and then

watching him this year one of the hardest parts about this job I think is guys that are really good college players that would be and i'm not saying this specifically about gentry i'm just saying this is a conversation that would be historical nfl outliers and you have to be the guy throwing cold water on the fun and people just look at you and just don't understand and it just happens there are outliers right there really are but right there's not you don't want to make a living betting on them you know or else you'll be wrong a lot you'll be wrong quite a bit so who's a bonus player for you bonus player for me is skylar bell the wide receiver on uconn who transferred from wisconsin and is just having a monster season right now and

shout out to my buddy Paul Cagallon who works with us at Badlands he is a uh big UConn guy and he's got he somebody's got to be right obviously UConn basketball phenomenal but yeah that's easy that's easy yeah you're you're like really in it if you're watching UConn basketball phenomenal but yeah that's easy that's easy yeah you're you're like really in it if you're watching UConn football every damn weekend and my guy Paul is and and just put put Bell on my radar I know Wisconsin fans uh know about Bell who he didn't have a ton of success there honestly he didn't ever put it all together and now at UConn the guy's 500 yards on 21 catches this year. Yeah. So he went for five and 141 against Maryland. And then he this last week he had six for 153 against Buffalo.

Like he's had some monster games and he caught three touchdowns against Buffalo. He's got four on the year. He's averaging 24 yards per catch this year. So Bell is somebody that originally from the Bronx, six feet tall, 185 pounds. He is consistently getting over the top of the defense and someone to really keep an eye on in the deeper part of this wide receiver class. All right.

I love it. I love the shout out there. I love the UConn poll. We don't get a lot of them. Travis Jones is my guy a couple years ago. Christian Haynes last year was my guy a couple years ago christian haynes last year was my guy so he feels like yeah feels like you get like one right eric watts all along the watts tower not many wow it's not many though combine legend byron jones right basically set

world records at the combine we were all looking around like i remember watching that because it it was his broad jump that was like 12 feet four inches or something insane it was a broad jump and i remember that happening and i remember somebody going is is that the is that the world record and if it and if it is the question then was if it is the world record what do we do now does it count like is that was my like is the combine sanctioned my question was what do we do now with this uh obi melifanwu oh yes another athletic another crazy athlete wow yeah yeah Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Good. The real ones. Remember, see, oh, more. The undersized rush backer that went to the Raiders actually in the fourth round. Yeah.

Yes. Wow. Good poll. Shout out UConn. Shout out the UConn football program. Okay. Can I, uh,

can I do a little rapid fire here? Please. As we were going through the comments, don't do the handgun celebration. We'll have to throw a flag. Wait. Have you seen this now? Like there's no gun celebrations allowed in any level of football anymore.

I know. But wait, why was that? Why was I going to do that? You hit rapid fire. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. No, I can't do that.

I won't do this. If there's anything that I won't do, it's this. I can't do this and I'm not going to do this because we're going to get get flagged and banned and i can't wait for me to get the email 12 hours from now yeah your channel doesn't exist anymore take now have you seen have you seen them throwing the flags in the bow and arrow celebration it's it's just out of control just it's just a crock of shit really it is what are you supposed to do wait after you score a touchdown what are you what is left to do thank the ref somebody you're gonna have to start getting really creative with g-rated celebrations like hopscotch

you got like i don't know what else we have left can you do rock paper scissors because technically scissors is a weapon no right no you can't trust an nfl ref who have the second worst eyes in the world only behind mlb umpires to see the scissors and think it's not some kind of weapon movement but it is right we were we were told growing up you can't run with scissors why it's a weapon you know you're a danger to yourself when you're running with scissors can't do rock paper scissors shoot can't even do rock paper scissors and it's rock paper scissors says shoot anyway so wait yeah wait what we're we're an hour 10 into this podcast we're about to have the or many years into this podcast what are we what is it rock paper scissors says shoot. Who? Yeah, dude. What?

I was not raised by barbarians or wolves. What do you mean? Why is that? It's an unnecessary word. No, it's not. It's cadence and rhythm. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. No, see?

The other person doesn't know the timing. If says is in there, rock, paper, scissors, says says shoot you know after says it's a quick fire but rock paper scissors everybody stares at each other like it's a western showdown and then they just throw hands and then somebody always is like well he copied me and then you got to get a third party involved it's rock paper scissors says shoot because it's cadence and rhythm timing if somebody did if somebody did says shoot to me, one, I'd look at them like they had eight heads, and two, I'd be like, that threw off my rhythm.

No. That's why you need to establish the ground rules before you even go. All right. Now you're making me do it. Now we have to do it. You have to do it. Comment in the YouTube channel. Is Connor out of his mind,

or do you say rock, paper, scissors says shoot? mind or do you say rock, paper, scissors, says shoot? Tell us how you do rock, paper, scissors. Is it rock, paper, scissors, shoot? Is it rock, paper, scissors? Are you an animal and you just end on scissors or do you throw say in there? I need to know. It's like the cornhole debate. I need to hear from the people.

I Googled this. Because I think this is nuts i just googled it and reddit is confirming that this is a new york city thing okay i had that's why the first thing that i said is what neighborhood are you from yeah reddit with many upvotes is confirming that new york city is says shoot long island says shoot uh midwest is just it's just shoot yeah wow this is a regional thing i can't believe this oh my god it's like it's corn it's cornhole bags all over i know that's why i need to know a little more niche this is a little bit more niche i didn't realize how niche this was also yeah yeah right right okay anyways rapid fire rapid fire for these guys um because in the youtube comments a lot of people were shouting on some players that i think that

we've already talked about on the show so um i'm just kind of getting give my rapid fire thoughts on them if you have any thoughts on any of these guys feel free to jump in either at the time or after i'm done whatever uh d Dylan Gabriel, quarterback from Oklahoma. Highly successful quarterback. Was at Oklahoma last year, transferred over to Oregon. A lot of people like him because he's a very accurate quarterback. I think he makes good decisions. He's got some good mobility to him.

The fact of the matter is, you just talked about outliers. Second percentile in height, sixth percentile weight. He's just small. And he's just really small for the position i don't think you think he is an nfl caliber like quarterback that you're gonna go out there and start every single week so that's my rapid fire thoughts on um on dylan gabriel did you have thoughts on him yeah i did a tape breakdown for him for nbc okay after the boise state game because that was a very late night peacock game so it's on the end of it So it's on the NBC Sports YouTube channel if you want to watch it.

I highlighted three throws that he had. They were really good throws. But admittedly, I came away after studying him just with the same exact thoughts of you as that it felt like more of a college film breakdown rather than a guy that I think is a draftable pro prospect. Yeah. Okay. that I think is a draftable pro prospect. Yeah, okay. Jaday Barron, the defensive back,

and I have to say defensive back now for Texas because he was sort of this safety slot defender hybrid over the last two years. Now he has played more wide corner than any other position this season. And when I was in Austin this past weekend, I saw that. I'm watching it live. I'm watching a lot of different stuff.

So it's not like I could just focus on Barron. But they're trying to test him out as a wide corner. And it must be for the NFL level, right? So this is one of my favorite players, sort of like a my guy type of a player that I've had over the last year. But it's different sort of looking at him as a wide corner. So I do like him as a football player, but I have to go back now and sort of watch him playing a new position there. The other quarterback on the list that somebody brought up is Jackson Dart. Dart, I think he has the highest PFF passing grade in the FBS, but Ole Miss really has not played anybody except for last week. Who did they play last week? Who was it?

Was it South Carolina? It was his first struggle. I believe it was Kentucky. Kentucky, right, right, right, right. And he struggled, and that's hard, right? Because I think the overall thoughts with Dart is, okay, well, what is the outside Lane Kiffin system? And it's really tough to judge a quarterback there.

I mean, you had Matt Corral in that system as well. I was just going to bring up Matt Corral. Which a lot of people like then you know he gets the nfl and he really couldn't handle it um and jackson dart i think jackson dart is a better prospect than matt corral was just arm talent wise but he performs well under pressure but like when you move him off this spot for example like true you have to sort of think on your feet type of plays. The passing grade drops dramatically for him. And so it's just going to be, now that we're into the teeth of their SEC schedule,

this is a little bit better of a test for you, but it's going to be hard to sort of project what Jackson Dart is outside of what Ole Miss' offense is. So I don't know if you have thoughts on that either. No, I agree with you, and I'm glad you brought him up because a lot of people have been asking about him until that kentucky kentucky game everybody was kind of like why is nobody talking about jackson dart and he is kind of the prototype well i'd call dylan gabriel more of an example but he's not far off

from one of those guys where it's like you hate to throw cold water on a guy and he's an nfl he's an nfl prospect i want to make that very clear with jackson he at least has nfl tools yes yeah where it's like you hate to throw cold water on a guy. And he's an NFL prospect. I want to make that very clear with Jackson. He at least has NFL tools, I think. Yeah. I mean, going back to summer scouting, I had him as QB7 in that group. So I saw NFL tools.

But you're right. The system makes him a difficult guy to evaluate until you get a game like Kentucky where you start to see the struggles that can come up in a real football setting I guess is what I would call it right uh all right three that I'm gonna go really quick on Harold Fannin Jr. the tight end from Bowling Green we brought him up a couple of episodes ago as the new name to the show 91.9 receiving grade this season is legit is all of Bowling Green's offense

he's an explosive guy when it comes to straight line speed and yards after catch, but he is a little bit stiff when it comes to changing direction and lateral movements. I think that it's not like he's this first-round tight end type of a player, but he is interesting as a receiver because the build's a little bit smaller. He's like 6'3", 230 pounds, so he's more of just a receiving tight end, but interesting, a bigger wide receiver for sure. Jaquinden Jackson, the running back for Arkansas, who is a bigger running back. He started his career as a, as a quarterback. And again,

this is somebody that we've talked about on this show before. So I just kind of wanted to summarize my thoughts that I've already given more deep notes on in previous episodes. He's bigger, he's taller from that quarterback background, but he's got good footwork. He's, he's got some good elusiveness to him. Um, he just, I think sometimes he's got to really like lower the shoulder. Like sometimes you've got to know like, all right, this isn't a time to wiggle. This is a time to lower the shoulder pass pro. He's just cut blocks way too much. Needs to be better in pass protection. And he's a pretty good receiver and natural receiver. I think he's just a natural athlete, but he is definitely somebody that is interesting in this running back class. And you know that like tier four or tier three. And then the last one is Nick Martin, the linebacker from Oklahoma state.

I mean, I love the mentality that he plays with. Dude plays his hair on fire at all times, but he is small for a linebacker when it comes to NFL size. And so he's seeking missile, but there just aren't many linebackers that are his size, just in height and overall size that can really make it at the NFL level. Like even to Kobe Dean, who was like one of the best defensive players of the year when Georgia was winning that national championship with him and middle linebacker. Even he is struggling right now as a starting linebacker for the Philadelphia Eagles. So it's just one of those things that, again, you love the college player.

I love the, the fierceness that he plays with. I think he could play in the pros is like a backup and a special teams guy for sure. I just don't know if he'll ever be a starter because of the lack of size with him. So there we go. Good stuff all around.

We jammed a lot of names into the show today. Yeah, we did. We did, but that's what it's all about. You know, we want to get the people involved. We want to a lot of names into this show today. Yeah, we did. We did. But that's what it's all about. We want to get the people involved. We want to get some new names to the table. That's what now the month of October is all about.

Very excited to see how the rest of this college football season plays out. We'd love to hear your thoughts on our thoughts as well. Best way to do that, youtube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. If you're audio only, as always, at Tampa Bay Trey, at Karin J. Rogers. You can hit us up on Instagram and Twitter. Anything else before we get out of here, my friend? Man, what's coming up next is

the real question, I guess. We did a mock draft this week. We did. We did do a mock draft this week. We'll have something up our sleeve. We might be fixing the Jaguars. Cool! No, it might be a little early, but man, Doug Peterson might just walk away from this thing.

We're unfortunately close to fixing the Jaguars. Yeah, we're about two losses away from fixing the Jaguars. In a row. What's their schedule? Who do they have next? They play the Colts this week. They play the Colts this week at home. If they lose to the Colts... They're favorited by two and a half points which kind of shocks if they lose the

colts we're gonna be on doug peterson fired watch right and then they play the bears in london overseas it's one of those it's one of the overseas game and they they lose shotgun might just make the team stay there like all right we can't go back to jacksonville let's just start over here dude it gets so horrendous for the team after that i mean actually they get to host the patriots so that should at least be it gets horrendous wait a second they're playing back to back london games they play the bears at 9 a.m. on a Sunday, and then they play the Patriots at 9.30 a.m. on a Sunday. So they're just staying there. Yeah.

Yes, back-to-back games. Well, you can't... They can't fire Doug after the first of a doubleheader in London, can they? They could. just be like figure it out take a boat home we don't care swim whatever you gotta do you said swim not our problem yeah uh the fixture franchise series will be back this year because we know

that you guys love those uh we hope that we don't have to start them in October. No, no, no. I hope Jacksonville figures it out soon. It feels like we might be there. Anyways, appreciate you guys watching and listening. Thanks so much. I'm Trevor Sigmund. That's Connor Rogers. We will be with you next week, Monday, for whatever we feel like the episode is going to be.

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