NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 278. Offensive & Defensive Rookie of the Year Draft

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers draft against one another (free draft) their top 5 OROY and DROY candidates

Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, we're doing a little rookie review. Mid-season, we're taking a look at the top five players that we think could win Offensive and Defensive Rookie of the Year. But the twist is, it's not just five and five. It's five and five and five and five. Connor and I are back to free draft against one another. Guys that we think will be able to win this award.

So we got 10 players total on offense and then 10 players on defense to make sure we give as many shout outs as possible for guys that are having some great rookie years. I'm Trevor Sycamore with me as always is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Joining you guys for a very special rookie review episode of the show.

You know, we were sitting here thinking about it last week. We were like, man, what do we want to do for the show the next week? Thought about, okay, maybe we do a stock watch. Haven't done that in a little bit. Took a little bit of time. We've done some mock drafts, things like that. You know what? People have been asking us our opinions of the rookies that we spent so much time talking about six months ago and we haven't even reviewed them yet so we're gonna do a little rookie review and the way we're gonna do it free draft style

offensive and defensive rookie of the year candidates here on this show connor how you doing my friend i'm'm great, man. This is an exciting one. We've done this in the past in some different ways, trying to kind of, you know, kind of figure out who's going to win this award, but also give some guys some love because we go five deep across each offense, defense, and you get to some talking points of guys that aren't getting recognition they deserve.

So you're right. We always joke on this podcast. We spend a year with an entire draft class and then they go to the NFL and we kind of just sort of like, yeah, on to the next one. Never talk. We don't talk enough about rookie classes.

So this is the perfect exercise to do that. You know, I was thinking about it. And when we get to the end of the season, I would like to do an episode. Now it's tough because the season's kind of pushed back into January, right? So it's right into, you know, declaration date and Senior Bowl and East by Shrine Bowl and all that. But, like, I would love to do an episode with you where we essentially regrade.

Well, I don't know about regrade the draft class. Maybe we could regrade the 2023 draft class. Right. Give it like a two-year cushion. Yeah, now that we got a two-year cushion. But then I would also like to do an episode you know like ranking how the rookie classes did maybe not regrading them maybe ranking how they did in their first year i think that would be fun because you're right we don't talk enough about the rookies here on this show for those of you who might be watching on youtube if you look at my setting you go oh no he's back in the room oh no the hostage room i'm hardwired in the panic room so

i was dealing with i think 35 megabytes per second upload when my audio is very choppy and now i'm hardwired in baby i'm at 995 so if the audio still sucks uh god might just hate me but we're powering through you know we're powering through. We're powering through. So we're going to make it happen. You're recording on a potato. Now you're in a gaming center, essentially. Dudes don't care about their internet speed more than when they're gaming.

Oh, sir. I'm not timing out. Brother, I am buying the 1 the 1000 megabytes per second package for the internet at any location that i live apartment house townhouse bare minimum i will not my my game is bad enough i will not let lag bring me down even further let me tell you they don't know this and don't tell them this. They can charge me whatever they want for gigabyte internet. And I will pay the iron price. I will find a new job.

Another job. Not like find a new job where I'm leaving my current jobs. I will add an eighth job to pay off the gigabyte internet to make sure I do not time out in EA college football or back in the day when I used to play Warzone, when one of your teammates would just zap out in front of you, your heart would just sink like, wow, we're doomed. We were set up to win and you're gone and now we're screwed. It's a tough feeling.

One of the best insults that I heard off the top when I was playing Warzone is like one of my friends couldn't hit a kid because he was because he was lagging too much uh and so he's just you know like warping around their app you can't even really see him so you can't even really hit him and he's just screaming at the top of his lungs like he's playing at target he's logged on at target at the demo xbox he logged into his gamer tag and he's playing at Target with Target's internet. And I just was screaming, like, Target, Walmart, whatever it is. I was going to say, Target catching the strays, unbelievable.

I don't even think they do that anymore. No, that was our childhood where you'd walk in to a place and a game would be set up. And, you know, back then you actually, believe it or not, I know we do have some young listeners, you'd have to walk into a store and buy a hard copy of a video game so games were less accessible in terms of like nowadays if you want to play something it's just you download it so it's too easy the fact that you know whether you play playstation or xbox you have access so many games for free with your subscription it's totally different back in the day though you literally had to buy a hard copy of every single game that walking into a store and seeing a game fired up uh at a station to play

that you didn't have was i don't know it's a feeling you can't get back like those days are gone it was cool dude it was true and like anytime that we would go to like walmart or target or something and my mom had like shopping to do drop you off just drop me off at the video game section and i'm playing games you know like i'm loading it up you know like we're gonna figure out whatever game they got loaded up it was sports game you know it was good night to anybody else who was there because normally they had like the two controllers you could play against somebody i remember going to gamestop once and playing a madden tournament in gamestop

like you just you you show you had to show up to play the Madden tournament. You had to play in person. I sucked that weekend. It wasn't on my game. But, you know, I just, yeah, the controller wasn't my home controller. It just wasn't as quick. I hadn't eaten in a couple hours. Frame rate was down.

Yeah, 100%. I mean, they're using the bullshit target internet you know to run the to run the game you know what i'm saying i mean the gremlins that must show up to a bad in-person madden tournament like you're just getting spammed it me by the same three plays oh my gosh and you got no answer friendship spectacular catch city brother friendships have and i don't remember what game this is we're gonna get to the topic of the day i promise i don't i cannot remember which madden this was but there was a madden where vernon davis i know exactly where you're going on the san francisco 49ers there

was a play in their playbook where they basically just ran a little curl route right over the middle right in front of the line scrimmage and And Vernon Davis, because he was so athletic, his yards after catch was insane once he got the ball in his hands. My friend, I think, got like 543 receiving yards on me one game with Vernon Davis because I couldn't do anything about it. I would even control the middle linebacker. I'd literally stand in like the spot where I knew the ball was going. And yet somehow Davis would still make the contested catch and then he'd just sprint down the field.

I've never been more angry in my life than somebody who just spams one play in Madden. Grow up. Grow up. Run the ball. Run the ball on second and 10, you know, like you're supposed to do. Have some respect and integrity

for the game that was forged for you. Vernon Davis. I'm looking this up right now. Cause I had to remember. It looks like in Madden 11. I want to say that's about the timeline. Yeah. He,

can you, he was a 96 overall. Yes. I mean, so he had a 90 speed at tight end and 92 acceleration. And I was cooked. There's no linebacker in the game that can run with him. Yeah, you were absolutely stir-fried at that point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was smoked. I was shish kebab. I was smoked. I was sous vide. Yeah, there was nothing. There was nothing. I was reverse seared.

There was nothing I could do about it. All right, let's get into this draft here. We got a fun topic. We're going to be giving some recognition to some rookies. Now, obviously, the way that we're setting it up here, we're drafting candidates that can win offensive and defensive rookie of the year. So we understand there are some limitations with players that we think are playing well. They're not really going to have a realistic shot of winning the award however connor i'm just going to be honest with you once we get maybe five or six names collectively into a list i'm probably just going to throw out some names that i want to give recognition to knowing that they probably have no chance to win rookie of the year i mean when the field opens up, that is totally understandable. But because you guys voted, I would say like not unanimously,

but it was pretty heavy in one direction. A lot of people love the free draft. So we're going to do free draft here. Obviously, we're going to have one of us get the first pick, and then it's a snake after that. So then you get two picks, and you get two picks, and you get two picks. You guys know how it goes. But there's no order.

It's not like we're starting with offense and then going to defense. It's a free draft. We can go to whichever list we want at any time we want. So Connor, I, uh, I kind of threw it right back in your face when you gave me the first overall pick last draft.

Do you want it in this draft? I don't, but I will take it. So we keep the back and forth going all right all right because i mean the first first pick in this one's very chalk right i think that's why i don't know is it yeah it's jayden daniels now i wouldn't have gone jayden daniel yeah you would have no i wouldn't you wouldn't have i'm not owned i've never been owned i've never been owned not online at least yeah it's jane daniels right now now this actually has gotten more interesting ironically he's minus 145 on giraffe kings i believe his

odds were even deeper than that before the rib injury he is minus money yeah he was it was even heavier though before the rib injury i think he was like minus 250 at one point now the rib injury we got news today it sounds like they're calling it week to week it's not a lock that he plays against the bears which is fascinating because of course caleb williams is the runner up indeed in a tighter field caleb's plus 115 i mean he's made up serious ground here in a very short span of time so the only thing that could stop Jaden from winning this award it feels like with how this offense is humming how he's playing the rushing element that he also gives on top of passing efficiently is health it's really health which to be fair that was one of the biggest components of Jaden

Daniels as a prospect we knew he had a ton of talent one of the biggest components of Jane Daniels as a prospect. We knew he had a ton of talent. One of the things people always wondered about him was staying healthy. It sounds like he's avoided the worst with this injury. He's the number one overall pick for me, counting offense and defense, because he has done the most. If this award was given out today, it would be his by a nice margin. He is playing fast in this offense through the air and on the ground. He is creating explosive running plays, not just scrambling plays. I think he's been a really

accurate passer. I think he's seeing the field better at the NFL level than he saw at LSU, which is a huge credit to not only him, but the coaching staff of the commanders and how they've gotten him really comfortable in this offense. And I think the offense does play fast in a way that helps them cover up some of the issues on an offensive line that's overachieved, but we know isn't an all pro offensive line. So Jane Daniels to me is the clear cut number one choice here. And once again, I will reiterate the only thing and it's not missing a game doesn't even affect his chances it's if if he missed a big chunk of the season and caleb continues to get hot that's the only way he doesn't win this award that is why i don't think i would have taken jade number one overall now it's fair now if if i wouldn't

have taken jade number one overall you you probably would have back-to-back quarterbacked me and so that would you basically would you you in my opinion you probably would have back-to-back quarterbacked me. And so that would, you basically would, you, in my opinion, you probably would have then been a lock to win one of these. And so I think it's a little bit different here, but I feel like I might be a, I feel like I might be a lock to win this with my first pick. I am going to go with Jared verse for defensive player of the year. Oh, okay.

He is, he is going to be my first pick here because, you know, he's not blowing anyone out of the water when it comes to odds to win defensive player of the year right now um who is who is second i just had this up oh latu latu yeah so jared verse right now is like plus 220 on fan duel latu latu is plus 500 uh and then you got a couple of other guys behind him i don't want to say too many picks as we're kind of going on here but it's not like you don't know who lauto is um but i do think when i look at jared versus stats one he's he's getting a ton of volume just with playing time and if this guy doesn't get hurt he's already got 32 pressures his passers win percentage is above 22 like he's a monster they're they're

building their defensive line attack around what j Vers can do. The power profile that we talked about him showcasing at FSU over the last two years, that is showing up heavily. He's an even better pass rusher when it comes to just freelancing at the NFL level than I thought that he was going to be, especially right out of the gate. So Vers has had an unbelievable season. He's also got a crap ton of missed tackles, which is hilarious. He's got like linebacker levels of missed tackles and he's a defensive end which shows you how close he is though to making some big plays too i would argue with you yeah so it is bizarre so verse is versus

the guy that that i'm going to go with here as my first pick to take him off the board way to keep your cards close to the vest i never would have guessed that in a million years and To take him off the board. Way to keep your cards close to the vest. I never would have guessed that in a million years. And after your explanation, I don't think it's off the cuff at all. I don't think it's totally rational. Yeah, I'm looking up one more thing about a player. Maybe the gamesmanship.

The gamesmanship of a free draft like this is what you miss this is this is the part that because i got a player i got a player that i would take next okay yeah but i don't know if that's the most likely to win the award and is there a chance that you might pass them up on the back-to-back. I feel like there is. I'm going to go with Caleb Williams then. I would have been shocked if you didn't do this. Give me Caleb Williams. I'm going to take Caleb Williams off the board.

Not the player I actually would have taken next, to be honest with you. But again, playing a little bit of a strategy here. See if I can get you. See if I can pull a fast one over on my good co-host buddy here. But no, Caleb Williams. Look, if you take out week one, which I understand that's not how football works, but if you look at week two on, he has gotten better marginally in every single game as a passer since then,

including the game that we saw against Jacksonville where he was on a roll. A lot of big-time throws, a lot of special throws, really high passing grade almost an elite passing grade in that game he is playing his best ball right now and there's still times okay I think he might be a little slow to get to a second or third read but it's okay everything that he was bringing to the table how confident he is uh how the how well the run game is playing around him the offensive lines played better off over the last couple of games and you got to think that him and Shane Waldron have something going on with offensive coordinator

and play caller and quarterback here so uh I just think that you know you talk about Caleb's rise like how close he has closed the gap between him and Jaden despite how phenomenal Jaden has been and Jaden has very clearly in my opinion been the better player to this point in time during the season but how quickly that gap closed tells me how much people would love to vote for caleb williams if he gives them the ability to have that conversation so not perfect from caleb but somebody that i think i should take here is this number two so i got caleb williams and jared verse here yeah i like it you you just legitimately gave yourself a real shit when you're picking in the back to back you know the second and third pick of this draft i think the strategy would probably want to be hey can i find a way to maybe steal

both of these awards and you know versus the favorite for a reason the points you outline and caleb is really closed this gap because of the level he's playing at and the bears are looking good which helps them and let's just be real once again like jayden has a higher injury risk but jayden is the favorite because he's been tremendous so now is where it gets kind of fun honestly yes yes because those were probably what i would have predicted for the first three picks and the odds far and away would tell you those should be the first three picks now is where it kind of opens up and my first uh pick of these next two is going to be lay out to latu because that's the that's the closest gap he is plus 250 while versus plus 200 via draft kings latu doesn't have necessarily the sack production that you would hope for but i

think the pressures have been there overall and i think the overall play has been there for him um i i think that he's you know he's had some moments where he gets really really close this is looking like a solid pick for the colts. And I just think that with him in verse, you know, you got to remember these are human voted awards where it's, it feels like it's right down neck and neck here because they're both really close in terms of sack totals and sack totals, whether we hate them or not,

or undervalue them or not, they will matter for the voters with this award. So layout to lots of is somebody to me that i think is clearly right in the thick of this and somebody that i want as my number one defensive rookie of the year choice here yeah 16 pressures from him 14.9 passers win percentage i mean i think that latu is going to be in the conversation when we get down to it now it depends so you know ken you know 16 pressures from latu, Vers has doubled that, right? So, like, is Vers going to just continue to be on an absolute tear,

or is he going to quiet down a little bit? Is that going to open the door for Latu to get there? I think that it was always going to be a little bit of time for Latu to sort of acclimate to the NFL size, speed, strength, all of that, because so much of how he won at UCLA was precision, right? He knew what the offensive tackle he was going up against was capable of. I wouldn't have said that that would have been something that existed for him right outside of the gate.

So Latu also would have been my number two defensive player off the board, but I think that that puts you in a very interesting spot here with your next pick because there's a couple of guys that i think you could make an argument for that you would want to pick or you would want to get out of this sort of second round here for you with right so for the actual gambling sake in theory you would think the next pick would be quinnion mitchell because he's plus 550 compared to verse and lotto's plus 200 and plus 250 but i am not going to take quinnian mitchell um i am going to take malik neighbors because i think malik neighbors is

drastically undervalued and underappreciated in this market and i felt this way so full transparency this was actually my biggest wager for futures this year going back to july i i liked malik neighbors a lot in uh where the odds stood because his preseason odds I think I had him at 18 to 1 and he's actually regressed from that he's now 20 to 1 because of the injury before the injury I think he was closer to like plus 650 plus 800 so missing the two games because of concussion protocol really hurt Malik neighbors obviously the overall market is down on him because the Giants are horrendous on offense for the most part not only under quarterback but now they're missing Andrew Thomas as well but here's the

pathway for Malik neighbors winning and why he's my next pick number one he's an insurance policy because I have Jaden Daniels right so that's a factor like if if Jaden gets her and falls out of this race it's down to Caleb and neighbors now while Caleb Williams is taking great steps and is deservedly not only plays quarterback so he's the number two here we're only a couple games removed from Caleb Williams know, really struggling to function at this position for the most part. You know, he's been great recently, but it was it was a bit of a tough start for Caleb Williams.

I thought those first four ish games and then he's absolutely feasted on Carolina and Jacksonville as you would expect him to do, which he did. So he gets the credit for that. Neighbors to me in terms of pure production. Has an incredible floor here because he is just peppered with targets. And I know it didn't look that way in the Giants' latest loss to the Eagles, a game where they benched Daniel Jones at one point.

There's been some drama after Malik neighbors saying he was open in the second half when he didn't get the ball. Brian Dable was asked about it. He's probably not wrong. He's probably right. There's a good chance so i just think at the end of the day this team doesn't have a lot offensively and he is guaranteed in my opinion going forward he should average double digit targets per week and neighbors when you look at him is pacing i mean there's a world where he easily gets about 1200 you know 1250 almost double-digit touchdowns.

In a normal year, that's good enough to win Offensive Rookie of the Year. The problem is he has a guy that's playing at a superstar level in front of him in Jane Daniels, who I have, and then Caleb Williams, who's heating up on a good team. But I like Malik Nabors here as my insurance, my non-quarterback insurance policy,

because I think his production floor is nearly guaranteed. And as a rookie, that is very, very rare error. Neighbors has been awesome when he's out on the field. There is no doubt about it. When I was sort of leaving a prospect that I wasn't sure if you were going to take on the turn, you didn't actually. It was between this person that I thought of and Neighbors and the guy that I am going to take on the turn you didn't actually it was between this person that i thought of and neighbors and the guy that i am going to select i'm going to get to here in a second before we

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right now by joining wondery plus so look malik neighbors not a bad pick at all whatsoever i know where you're going dude's an absolute stud he is a monster but there is another player who is an absolute stud who i think is going underrated because he plays on a team that when you talk about this team you just talk about the bad and we're to get to a point where we're sick and tired of talking about the bad. And we're going to keep pointing at this player because I think he is going to continue to produce. My next pick is Las Vegas Raiders tight end Brock Bowers. Oh, hello.

I had it wrong. Dude, Brock Bowers has been nuts. I didn't know this until I looked it up this morning. Connor, remember all that talk that we had about, well, how high do you draft a tight end, right? We talked about Kyle Pitts. He drafted him really high. When you draft a tight end really high, they have a rookie controlled contract. So you get a good chunk of guaranteed money right away. Well, that's not normally something that you see a lot from the tight end position. And it was like, okay, if you're drafting Brock Bowers in the top five,

he better produce like a top five tight end right away because you're going to be paying him like it. Well, he ends up going number 11. No, where'd he go? 13th, I thought. 13th, something. So he went outside of the top 10. Dude's an absolute steal at this point.

I mean, for what he, we are seven weeks into the season, Connor. He has the number one overall grade for tight ends in the NFL. He has the number one, and I'm not just talking rookies, any tight end. He has the top overall grade. He has the top receiving grade for tight end. He has the most receiving yards for a tight end, and he has a 28.0 threat percentage of how much they use him in the offense. Specifically with Devontae

Adams, not no, no longer there. This dude is destined to get over a thousand yards receiving. It is just a matter of how many he can get as long as he stays healthy. Brock Bowers was the best tight end in college football for two straight years. You could argue three straight years if you want to throw his freshman year into that as well, but that's a little bit more of a conversation for the last two years though,, specifically, not even close. Best tight end in all of college football. Gets drafted in the top 15. He's already a monster for the Raiders

that have to run their offense through him from this point moving forward if they want to have any semblance of offensive success. I think he is, because where is he on the betting? He was... He's down there. Yeah, he is plus 4,000. That's my favorite bet, to be honest with you. Now, I know it would be a long shot,

but when you talk about what guys should be valued versus what they have now, that's my favorite bet of the group. Brock Bowers has been a monster. I love it. I wasn't expecting you to make that pick, but he's been phenomenal. And with Devante Adams off the Raiders, the amount of targets this guy is getting and will continue to get is and he maximizes them.

He's the offense there. He really is. In terms of odds value, Brock Bowers is the value play of this group. So my next guy here, I think after I take this player off the board, you mentioned it gets fun. You mentioned it got fun after Jaden and Caleb and Verse were off the board. I think it gets fun after I take this player off the board.

I'm going to take Brian Thomas Jr. off the board next, the wide receiver for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I mean, especially for the way that the offense has been humming very clearly. They like getting him involved a lot, certainly deep down the field, some of the biggest plays and, you know, voters like that stuff, right? Give me the highlights. Give me the, give me the game breaking plays and Brian Thomas Jr. I feel like he's going to be on the receiving end of a lot of that for Trevor Lawrence. If the Jags are going to continue to have offensive success this

season. So Thomas Jr. has been fantastic. Uh, I was a little bit nervous about him coming into the NFL, just like, okay, what's the route tree look like from him? Is he just a vertical guy? He is proving that he is even more of an all-around wide receiver in Jacksonville than he was last year with LSU. So they're going to continue to feed him. I think he's only going to continue to get better.

Brian Thomas Jr. is my next pick here. Yeah, I mean, he's got over 500 yards. He's been phenomenal. Was that the guy that you thought I was going to go with? Yeah, no, I mean, he's got over 500 yards. He's been phenomenal. Was that the guy that you thought I was? Yeah. Yeah. I thought you were going to go when you started to say like underappreciated stuff. Brian Thomas Jr.

Has been amazing. Yes. In an offense that to be real at times is totally clueless. And he's been very consistent. I mean, he's got four touchdowns in seven of his games already. Yep. And they're not just he didn't have like one three touchdown game against a bum squad. He has a touchdown in four separate games.

And he's as advertised a big play threat, a great athlete. But I think he's been more polished than anyone expected. As you pointed out, I loved the player. And I'm going to be honest with you. I, I felt like I was as high on him as you can be in that draft. And I didn't expect this, this quickly.

Yeah. I thought there would be a little bit, he'd be a little bit of a go ball explosive play guy, but he's just more refined right away. More so than I ever thought. Yep. You're right. I mean,

you, you were, you were higher on him than I was, and he's, yeah, exceeding so many expectations. So nice haul for you, by the way. You've kind of cornered, you know, the offensive rookie of the year market after I got the big favorite at the top.

I'm happy with this. Two picks. And like we keep saying, the door kind of of opens i want to make sure i get my odds board back up god you'd think i'd know how to use a computer by now no i don't there we go okay i lost the odds board for a second so the top four favorites for offensive rookie of the year are gone and then a deeper cut in brock bowers although i agree with you on the value defense of the rookie of the year has been a different story for us we had verse and lots who go as deserved i think i'm gonna take quinnion mitchell here and kind of kind of stack my shares on the defensive rookie of the year market i i'll be honest with you

it's a very very difficult award for a corner to win. Even the year Sauce won it, and Sauce was great his rookie season, you basically need a lot of the other position groups to be really quiet. But to be fair to Quinion Mitchell, they have been. Even as much as we love Latu and Verst,

are they going to get double digit sacks this year no not even close so yeah that's what unless burst explodes yeah unless you get hot and you have like a three sack game and a two sack game and then kind of stack a couple and individually so i'll take mitchell here who's i think run a little hot and cold, but more hot. He's playing so many snaps. Dude, I mean, the situation he's been thrusted into is a lot to ask, where I think he's been very good all things considered for the most part. I mean, he's allowing a 79.8 passer rating when targeted. I think he's only been called for one penalty,

and that was week one against the packers he's really he's been very steady that's what we have logged as um he doesn't allow yards after the catch very often either which is which we like quinnon mitchell one of the big selling points is he is very physical when the before the ball gets there and after the ball gets there so and and listen quinnon mitchell is plus physical when the, before the ball gets there and after the ball gets there. So, and, and listen, Quinn, John Mitchell's plus five 50.

So the market is telling you that he's got a very good chance to come up and take this award on, unless the pass rushers like Trevor hinted at get hot and stack up a couple of big performances. Like he's right in the thick of this thing. Right? So I'll take Quinn on Mitchell. I'm going to go back to the offensive rookie of the year

well here just because this guy can kind of stack big performances in bunches but the problem is in this offense he also disappears at times which i don't think is fully his fault i'll take marvin harrison jr who is yeah that was the that was the last obvious right talent side of things yeah you this early in the year you do default back to talent he's got talent and it's not like we're waiting on him because we've seen him have big weeks before the it's it is odd the lack of consistency him and kyler have i will say and to be honest with you i don't think kyler's been great this year when i watch also has been really hot and cold in my yes that's a better fair way to put it yeah it's he has like these

really big weeks where it feels like he can't miss or he'll explode for a big run and then i'll have these weeks where he does the kyler you know mario music kind of like shuffling backwards in the pocket and then runs to the sideline and like keeps pump faking. Yeah. And then just nothing happens. Yeah. A lot of those. So,

I mean, so you look at Marv, he had obviously the, the one catch for four yards in the opener. Yeah. Everybody panics. Yeah. He's trash.

He sucks. He's cheeks. what a mistake this was over how did he get drafted change the name change the last name yeah change his name to i don't even know i don't want to disrespect them because then he goes for four and 130 for two yeah i got nothing sometimes you just got nothing in the tank a little transparency for everybody here we're recording this the day after. Both the Mets and Jets seasons ended in the same two-hour span. Very interesting exercise.

Come on. Very interesting exercise to witness. One team's season started when we were still wearing winter jackets in March, and the other team's season started after the first week of September. But somehow their seasons both ended in in the same two hour window. Very impressive fee. So shout out to the Mets. I love them with all my heart.

They gave me so many great memories this year. And that's where I'll stop talking about the New York teams. So the Rangers are undefeated. I mean, I do this every year, every year. Jets hopes die. And I'm not like one of those hockey fans this and this happens in new york a lot it happens everywhere a lot where it's like ah it's almost the playoffs like i'm gonna get into it like i am one of those i don't do any hockey content or anything so it's the one time i'm just such a fan i feel the same way i am so like so irrationally in from the second the puck drops for the season and

they're they're a wagon like they're an absolute wagon so yeah i'm enjoying that lightning stamp coast was holding him back i've often said this people are starting to figure that out he was the problem is gansel off to just like an absolute nuclear star i haven't actually seen him play that much no well kucherov's kucherov's just yeah he's he's god mode he's going nuclear yeah they're they are mad that he got robbed of um of the mvp last year oh seven goals in four games that's normal yeah very casual extremely casual yes yeah oh my god what a player so then marv goes 4 130 and 2 and everybody goes, oh, wow, maybe he should have been taken top 10. And then he was kind of normal for the two weeks after that.

11 targets, 564 and a touchdown, another 545 and a touchdown. He's fine. And then he he got hurt against Green Bay after a rough week against San Francisco. But he clear concussion protocol in time where he's playing right before we, after we record this. So you're just betting on talent. You're hoping for a couple more of those two touchdown weeks, over a hundred yards. And once again, I think this is not just a Marvin Harrison Jr. Problem.

I think this is a problem within the offense as a whole and finding consistency. So at this point of the draft, I mean, you bet on talent. He's loaded with talent. He should be loaded with more opportunity. I've been frustrated with some of the limitations that opportunity, but yeah, I mean talent he's loaded with talent he should be loaded with more opportunity i've been frustrated with some of the limitations and opportunity but yeah i mean he's now what pick is this one two three four this is like the tenth or ninth yeah yeah it's got to be him yeah i i i he was sort of the last like big obvious name that we have here and guys that are actually capable of winning the award i think i'm about to draft maybe the last two

players that i think legitimately have a chance to win this award so we get to totally open it up after this although i actually didn't even look up how well this one player is playing because i didn't think it was very well. I didn't think he was playing well enough for it to matter. Hold on. We're going to scroll. We're going to do some research on the show here because I sort of owe it to my own list

to actually be able to pick the right one. Where are we here? I don't see anything. Where is this player? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. I'm clicking see anything. Where is this player? Oh, hold on. I'm clicking the filter. Well, I understand. We're doing this live on the show,

and this makes for a phenomenal audio medium. This is how you podcast. When you go to broadcasting school, they show you a video in Broadcasting 101 of us just sitting here going, yes, this is me researching. I'm researching. I hope you all enjoy this okay i'm gonna i'm gonna pick byron murphy the second okay uh who has missed three games due to injury but he's back he played really well this past weekend

he has a 15.9 pass or swing percentage so i think there's a good chance that the numbers are saying that he's going to make up for lost time. And I think he could potentially be in this defensive player of the year conversation when it's all said and done. And then the player that I was looking up was Dallas Turner. And I'm not going to pick Dallas Turner. I'm actually going to pick Braden Fisk. Fisk has 19 total pressures. He's got a sack. The issue is he's got like a 6.3 pass rush win percentage so i don't know how much backfield production he's actually going to be able to

rack up in the second half of this season but he's on the list he has odds to win this this this award and he at least had one game where he was an elite pass rusher. He had one game where he graded out as an elite pass rusher, and the rest of them are not so hot. It's a much more cold start to his rookie season, but those two defensive linemen, I think, at least have a shot to win the award. Turner, his start has been much slower, doesn't have a lot of snaps through the first half of the season. He would really have to catch fire, in my opinion. And I just don't think that Flores' defense structure operates in that way for him to be a major stat stuffer.

So that's why I don't know if you're about to pick him. Name alone, it would make sense for him to go at some point in this draft. But I'll go with Byron Murphy and Braden Fisk here as my next two picks. Okay, so you go defense for both Byron Murphy, Braden Fisk. is my next two picks. Okay, so you go defense for both. Byron Murphy, Braden Fisk. I don't think anything too stunning there. Byron Murphy was a hot defensive rookie of the year pick. The injuries obviously sunk him a little bit, where he's 20-22-1, plus 2,200.

Fisk, pretty close there plus 1800 yeah you're right dallas turner is a the defensive rookie of the year board is mind-blowing right like yeah yeah when you just give everybody some perspective here names that haven't been taken that are even higher than those guys include Evan Williams, safety in the Packers, you know, Tykee Smith, Kamari Lassiter has been balling out for the Texans.

It's Jarvis Brownlee is plus 1800. Is he really? Yeah, he is. Wow. Senior bowl legend, senior legend, Jarvis Brown. He really was.

It's yeah, it's a very strange board to wrap your head around. I think I'm going to go back to the offensive rookie of the year. Well here. And I'm going to take Drake May. Oh, nice. I was not going to pick him. Because he's a quarterback, number one, and quarterbacks have the quickest boost to go up the board in these races.

That's just perspective for everybody when you're betting futures and awards. And this is a pretty outlier example, but it matters. So context here, Joe Flacco, one comeback player of the year award, and he played six games.

So yeah, when, when you play quarterback, you don't need the sample size. He, he said it himself, nothing, the couch,

I think he said that. No, he did. He did, which was amazing. It's's a it's a dumb ass award it's well you you're what happened this year right it's a massive problem right now that for a while sam darnold was one of the front runners or like in the cluster of guys that could win it this year right and the league is trying to tell the voters but i'm sure some of them are 80 years old and you need to send a raven to get the message to them that like he he's not supposed to be eligible because he's not

coming back from an injury he's coming back from you know reformed in kyle shanahan's school of backup quarterbacks doesn't the nfl oh no it's it's ap is that who it is is the ap comeback player of the year probably whoever it is like like you send out the memo like the league sends out the memo it's like the subway meme it's like oh subway sucks my brother in christ you made the sandwich you create we're trying to figure out who did this right like like oh like we don't want you to vote for sam donald don't put his name on the list don't put his name on the ballot right honestly just do the work and give out the list of eligible names don't tell people they can just vote for whatever they want but they really shouldn't vote for this guy because he doesn't meet the criteria of an award that doesn't have

distinct criteria written in ink yeah so that's the that's the issue and how i get all the way back to offensive rookie of the year with this is quarterbacks don't have to do a lot in a larger sample to go up boards let me put it like this if drake may i'll pull up the patriots schedule right now and wins don't even matter that much in offensive and defensive rookie of the year specifically because the year garrett wilson and sauce the Jets stunk or they weren't back they were like the middle of the pack team at best and they both won so say Drake May beats the Jets and then he plays the Titans Bears and Rams say he goes two and two in that stretch and he's pretty damn good he's thrown two or three touchdowns a game he's running a little

bit now their supporting cast is horrific so this is not an i'm not saying this is a shoe-in there's a reason why the guy's odds are plus 4500 45 to 1 which is like that's you're throwing a hail mary out there but drake may if he beats the jets sunday and it's because of Drake May, Drake May will leapfrog no matter what they do. Brock Bowers, Marvin Harrison Jr., Bo Nix probably, although they're winning, but Bo isn't doing much. Drake May will be in the top four to five people to win this award just because he's a quarterback. So that's why I'm taking Drake May in this spot,

who looked pretty good against Jacksonville. He's still making some mistakes, but he's not working with much and he's making some plays so i agree with you i i wasn't gonna pick drake i understand the logic the process of it yeah taking the hail mary full pun intended yeah yeah i'll go back to defense here and we got two defensive players right yeah only mitchell yeah lots of mitchell i because i don't like how wide open this board is honestly it's like yeah you know put everyone in a blender and pick one out or out of a hat it's just a very weird board and i'm kind of pulling a you here and i'm doing uh yeah you got to research on the show i'm researching you got it you got to research on the show how quickly can you type as well as speak that is that is the true art of being a broadcaster

you want to start a podcast this is how you do it get ready to talk a lot of random babble man i it's crazy to me that the odds like we're in the range now where kamari lassiter is very relevant dallas turner is very relevant they haven't even been doing anything lately no nope nothing nope so i would argue i would argue that kamari i would argue that kamari doesn't even have the best chance on his team that's that's very fair yeah that's i think that's fair i like your byron murphy pick a lot the more i look at it not only is he because he was good before he got hurt he was good before he got hurt after he got hurt and he was a pretty popular pick for this like the betting market liked him a lot he's not even in the top 10 right now is he really

no dude they have a they have him 22 to 1 well there are vegas directly listens to this show so the second it goes live byron murphy the seconds odds are just gonna just they're just gonna hit the floor 12 players ahead of him they the markets because they don't know the draft very well they do use like draft analyst stuff to set odds by the way like daniel jeremiah drops a i don't want to say a mock draft because player over-unders on picks isn't isn't a market that's readily available very early but they that's how they make the like will he be a first round pick or will he be a top 10 pick it's not just daniel jeremiah like a lot of draft analysts it's yeah because they're they're getting the nfl stock exchange podcast it's leading the charge they're tapped in we know the government's watching on all of our screens so vegas is probably watching as we record the

show they don't even wait for the show to go live the odds have already sunk sorry people you're just not gonna get much here i'm gonna take to von trey sweat by the way okay it's been very good for tennessee better than i thought and way better than i thought because he's i didn't full transparency did you think through six games to von joy sweat would be nearing 300 snaps no i thought he'd play like 120 by now right he's played 265 yeah which has been a lot more than i thought a lot more than i thought he would get the reason why he realistically you know isn't under real consideration to win this award is because a player like him doesn't post the pass rush production needed to win this award

but if you're just a tape junkie sweat's been a presence for their front against the run and that opens the door for all the players around him and he is playing enough snaps tennessee's defense has been very impressive to me this year i know not a lot of things have gone right for the titans but i think they're well coached and talented on defense and i think sweat's looking like a really really good draft pick in the second round i think the solid pick i again i that's bet he is playing better than i thought he was going to more of a shout out than a guy i think can really win the award probably probably but that's that's the point of the draft that we're at we we said there's a latter half of the draft it was it was going to be a lot of shout out stuff because we're

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That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P,.com slash NFLSE. All right, I think I'm going off the beaten path with this one. This is a name that you brought up before. I'm going to go back to the defensive side of things. I got Jared Versa, I got Byron Murphy II, I got Braden Fiske. Now I'm going to go with Evan Williams, the fourth-round safety for the green Bay Packers. One, he plays for a team that a lot of people care about, right? Anytime the Packers are playing well, they're going to be in the news too. He's playing next to a safety. That's already getting a lot of recognition. So

green Bay secondary is already having a spotlight shined upon them. Three, he is the highest graded rookie that we have in the NFL, in our system this year at an 89.4. He's got two forced incomplete. I mean, he's been a stud. He's all over the stat. He's got two forced incompletions. He's got himself an interception. He's allowed five receptions, but only for 58 yards. And he's got an 82.2 coverage grade as well as an 81.7 run defense grade. They're using this guy everywhere as a strong safety, as a free safety. And if he continues to stay healthy and play at a really high level, I genuinely believe that a couple more interceptions could be coming for him and who knows maybe it's you know Xavier McKinney's been in a spot to get a

lot of interceptions maybe it'll flip and Williams can get some of those and both those guys can get a ton of recognition as maybe the best safety duo in the NFL it's kind of crazy to say that about a fourth round pick and not a lot of people knew going into the draft, but Williams is playing unbelievable. I mean, the confidence in which he is playing and the anticipation that he has gives me reason to believe that the best is even still yet to come for him, or at least that good play can be sustained from Evan Williams. So I'm going to take him off the board here because I think his play has warranted that. And then, oh man, do I round out defense or do I,

nah, let me go Bo Nix. I'm just gonna, I'll take Bo Nix just to get them off the, just to get them off the board. I feel like it would be wrong if we went through this exercise and I didn't get Bo Nix here for a offensive rookie of the year. People that were listening to the podcast over a year ago know that I love Bo Nix. I had him in my top three quarterbacks. Had him number two going into the season last year before Drake May. And obviously, Drake May outplayed him and ended up being my QB2. Jaden was my QB3. But man, I like Nix a good amount. I thought he was a top 40 player in this class, and it's really cool to see some of the success. Okay, it's not perfect. It's not quite consistent yet, but I think a lot of people thought that the NFL would just be so overwhelming

for Nix, and I just don't think that that's the case so playing well uh broncos are winning maybe not because of him but they're certainly not losing because of him either so i'll take bo nicks here uh to get the final quarterback off the board yeah it goes back to my argument for drake may it's a quarterback two big weeks for bo nicks can kind of propel his odds all the way forward that's all you need at quarterback. It's crazy how quickly you can kind of flip your course of action. And man, the offensive rookie of the year board just like that is quite grim, to be honest with you.

I mean, I know Keon Coleman is coming off a big week. You can take Hail Mary if you want. They just traded for Amari Cooper. So the opportunity for Keon Coleman, once again, I know he had a good week. You can take the hail Mary if you want. They just traded for Amari Cooper. So the opportunity for Keon Coleman, once again, I know he had a good week, but he's still only had seven targets. He's just not going to be a guy to me that gets more than four targets every

week. So who's the hail? Hail Mary, your boy. Pennix. Cause, cause of a panic stinks. It's not great look Kirk's play look I I'm repeating this is a meme at this point I I'm I'm I'm repeating this for people who listen to the

Grazer release show on PFF but there is a I'm not just saying this because Pennix came into the game last game that they lost against Seattle that was garbage time stuff right what kirk is struggling with this year is throwing the ball beyond 10 yards and not putting the ball in harm's way under pressure because he can't move because he is not mobile right now kirk cousins is tied for the most turnover he plays in the nfl when pressured this season it's him and it's jalen hurts kirk also has not good passing grades when he is asked to pass the ball beyond 10 yards that was the reason why they lost they ran the ball really well this past week Tyler Algier Bijan Robinson the offensive line was blocking really well and yet they did not stand a chance in that Seattle Seahawks game as the score kind of got out of hand because Kirk could not push the ball down the

field there are sometimes reasons why people go, hey, let's put the backup quarterback in, and it doesn't make sense. It's just like, okay, well, logically get me there. I will agree with you if you can explain to me why this change of quarterback makes sense. And a lot of times, it's just that people want change. They want that guy out of there.

They want to make a change one way or another. This is tangible reasons why Michaelael pennix jr could legitimately become the starting quarterback of this team because if there is something that michael pennix jr ain't afraid to do it's push the ball deep down the field and that is what the falcons offense is missing right now and that's a reason why they were not competitive against the seattle seahawks so i have no go off king i have no idea if he plays but like that's the hail mary to me no go off i mean well i'll tell you what's very interesting you bringing that up is that he is currently not on the board for draft kings so that could mean one of two things one they don't

think he's a serious threat although they'll let you usually like these markets will let you bet on whoever you want yeah they'll take your They will. They will take your money because they you know, if you're a fan of it, you can kind of get fans to make those bets. It tells you that there might be. A readjustment being made. I actually it's so funny you brought this up because I had subscribed to this theory. I'll tell you when after week one after week one i placed a very light sprinkle wager on pennix to win this award because it was 60 to 1 at the time i thought kirk looked awful week one where i was like man pennix plus 6 000 like quarterback you don't need a full season to win

goes back to my whole theory of that true sprinkle not a real wager um yeah and now you know kirk's still playing so that it's looking very unlikely but like you said if say pennix came in two weeks from now and the falcons made the playoffs like he's could very well win the award or they will win the award it's not like completely out of line for a guy that's off the board at the moment. And I want to make it clear. It is more likely that Kirk Cousins just starts the entire season for the Falcons. Great point. Very much more likely. Yes.

Although we are just simply painting the picture that could become reality. That's all. Exactly. That's all we're doing. So I still have two picks here? You do. Yes. Yep. You got three picks left total you got two picks you got one offensive pick and two defensive picks yeah it's just like completely gross i have all of reach all around it really is

i don't think anybody that we're picking over the next 10 minutes is going to win the award but it could just be shout out season for guys who are playing well enough. Right. That's always kind of what you're what you're looking for here. God, it's just I I'm going to make this pick with the thought like, hey, you never know you can get going in the second half of the year when nobody has pass rush production. It's the Dallas Turner conversation, right? OK, where it hasn't been great for dallas turner right it really like there's no way around it it's you know went on the field he wasn't overly productive but this is still somebody that they traded plenty of assets

to make sure they can get in this draft um you know obviously he's in defense of brian flores that you think would get sack production i think that they don't trust him in the run game it looks like he's struggling in that area went on the field but his snap counts going down so once again this is more of a hey the vikings are a good football team that are going to be playing in high-profile games. They need to eventually get him going, clearly, when you see that they could use even more pass rush. I don't know. I don't think they're just going to give up on Dallas Turner this year.

And we know the talent's in there. I had my concerns with him as a prospect, but that didn't mean I didn't like him. It just felt like he was very, very raw with how often he tried to win with speed to power at the college level. And Minnesota knows they need to get him going. So I'll make him my second to last defensive pick here because pass rush

production wins this award and he doesn't have it yet for the most part, but he, but he's one of the rare guys on this list that should have the opportunity doesn't have it yet for the most part but he but he's one of the rare guys on this list that should have the opportunity eventually to have it so i i don't disagree with you i don't disagree it's a it's a this feel i can't remember a defensive rookie of the year field like this uninspiring is how i would describe it i mean there's there it's just not as it's just not as solidified at the very top there's just a lot of like there is like i'll tell you my last defensive pick that i don't think that you're gonna you're gonna select

i love how this player is playing right he's not gonna win the award but i think that again like that's still my if you don't pick the next two guys that i'm gonna pick both of my selections offense and defense are gonna be like that They're playing well enough to where they should be within top five rankings of this award. And they're, they're not going to get considered just because it's, it's, it's set up the way that it is.

Yeah, I think that's right. That's how you're looking at it, where you're just trying to give shout outs or find something. I'm checking one more thing here because I'm, I'm kind of going down the road, kind of going down the same road again as Dallas Turner. But I think this one,

there might be even more hopefulness. Let's see. Defense or offense. Uh, no, it was defense, but I'm out of this. I don't even want to get into it.

Wow. Okay. It's, it's been very up and down for this player and i think that i think there's some other stuff going on so uh yeah there's it's just too convoluted i'm gonna go back to offense and regroup for defense because it's just sorting through so much different stuff okay i'm gonna go back to offense here and and shout out one of my favorites of course and give ty Tyrone Tracy a pick. There it is. I was wondering if we were going to get it. He was on my list. I was wondering

if we were going to get him in here. None of Tyrone Tracy's problems with this award has to do with production based off opportunity. It's all opportunity. The Giants are a very frustrating franchise at times, and he's their best running back. Okay. It's not even remotely close. Now a lot of his, I think instant production comes as a pass catcher, but we saw against Seattle, what he could do on the ground. He averaged over seven yards per carry. I think what you love the most about him is what he brings to you as a pass catcher, former wide receiver in college that transitioned to running back. Tracy is the most explosive running back they have. And I think at some point the Giants will enter that phase and

it feels like we're close where they need to kind of figure out what they have for the future. Daniel Jones is not the future, right? And Devin Singletary is not the future. And they need to figure out who at wide receiver will be besides Malik neighbors. So if Tracy eventually gets the keys to this backfield, and when Singletary was out, it looked like he deserved them going forward. Although the shares were still split when Singletary came back. He is all the talent. I mean, and he, once again, the production off of the opportunity was there when the

opportunity existed. It's just that he hasn't had that out of the gate. But I think the Giants internally know he's their best running back. I would agree. He was on my list. He was on my list. Sort of a long shot that I was just going to give it, you know, a shout out to a Hail Mary to whatever.

Yeah, I'm curious who your long shots are, because there was another running back that I like as well. And I think you're going to you might go there. We'll see long shots are because there was another running back that i like as well and i think you're gonna you might go there we'll see uh we'll see before we get that to that gotta tell people if you are hiring right now for your small business and you want to find quality professionals that are right for the role you gotta check out linkedin jobs linkedin jobs has the tools to help you find the right professionals for your team faster and for free we do a lot of hiring here pff and. And it's not just about matching up the resume with exactly what the job is required, right?

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for free terms and conditions do apply. First guy I'm going to go with. I'll do offense first, and then I will hit defense. I'm going Zach Frazier for my offensive one. Love it. He was awesome before he got hurt. He is not going to win the award. Offensive linemen never win it,

but he is one of the top 10 highest graded rookies that we have offense and defensive side of the ball. He was fantastic before he got hurt. Ankle sprain has kept him out a little bit here. He will be back at some point this season, but he was looking like a total starting offensive center that you love to build the offensive line around, and he was great. He was great at West Virginia.

He was one of what felt like the safest players, if that is even such a word that you can use in an NFL draft. And he was fantastic. So I wanted to give him a shout out here. He is somebody that I think deserves a nod on this list, even though he doesn't have a chance of winning it, which sucks. And then my guy for the defense. I'm sweating this.

Oh, for defense? Yeah, I love my last pick that I don't also think can't win, but I'm really sweating you're going to take him. What position does he play? Corner. Yeah, I'm picking Tykee Smith. Oh, okay. Oh, you worried that one, your guy?

No, but Tykee Smith's been good. That's a nice pick. Tykee Smith's been fantastic, man. Above 80 run defense grade, above 70 pass rush grade, above 70 coverage grade. He has done it all for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And to be able to come in as a rookie in the slot and play right away and play as good as he is playing,

I cannot under, I cannot overstate how incredible of a job that is. He's forcing fumbles. He's getting interceptions. He is so in tune with that Todd Bowles defense and what they're asking him to do. He fits what they want to do, not only from a physical profile and a talent profile, but also a mental profile in how he fits with the rest of that group. He has been awesome. He is not going to win the award. He is not going to be considered. And that's a damn shame because he's playing like

one of the best slot corners in the NFL already. So Tykee Smith from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers getting my final spot on the defensive side of the ball. All right. Mine was a player that there's some similarities to what you said, and that's Drew Phillips, the slot player. Yeah, that's the other one. That's so my last pick. And I could already see when the graphic gets posted, just getting

slaughtered for having like Dallas Turner on the list, right? Who hasn't done anything? This is projection. This is the total opposite of that Dallas Turner pick Phillips has been great he's played out of the gate awesome he's played out of the gate um he's played almost 200 snaps he's been phenomenal in coverage he plays the slot for the Giants third round pick but he's also been really feisty and competitive against the run in the slot which speaks a lot to way more productive in the run than i thought he was going to be really impressive he plays some special teams drew phillips has been if this award was just truly about tape which it's not

like let's just call what it is so that's why i took dallas turner last it's not about tape dallas turner has done nothing on tape to be a pick in this draft and you know like you just took zach frazier which is a tape guy he's not gonna win the award right he's not gonna win the war he'd probably be like he'd be like 90th out of people that get votes but if this board was based on tape frazier drew phillips they've been some of the best rookies in all of football and it's a shame that that stuff doesn't really get quantified in awards like this but the reality is um they deserve a shout out at the end of this draft. Yep.

I agree with you. All right. So just to recap for the audio only people, my five offensive rookie of the years that I drafted, Caleb Williams, Brock Bowers, Brian Thomas, Jr.

Bo Nixon, Zach Frazier, Connors, five Jaden Daniels, Malik neighbors, Marvin Harrison, Jr. Drake May and Tyrone Tracy.

I think you're a little more star studded on your offensive group than i am but i'm pretty happy with how it went uh defensive guys my five jared verse byron murphy the second braden fisk evan williams and tykee smith and then for your defense you got la tu la tu queen on mitchell tray uh tavondre sweat dallas turner and drew phillips we would love to hear from you guys as well tell us your thoughts on our thoughts of these players, of our drafts, how it went, and also maybe some guys that deserve some shout-outs. There's plenty of rookies that we didn't mention. Joe Ault, Dominic Pooney, Bucky Irving, Talize Fuanga,

Kalen Bullock, Kamari Laster, Edrin Kruper. There's a lot of rookies who are playing well right now who really deserve some recognition, who we just don't think are going to win this award. So they're left out of this exercise. The comment section is a beautiful place for you guys to give a shout out for some rookies that did not get enough FaceTime here in this episode. So we would love to hear from you. YouTube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange.

If you are audio only at Tampa Bay Trey at Connor J. Rogers is the best way to hit us up and give us your thoughts. Connor, you got anything else before we get out of here? Really fun exercise. Glad we got to give some players, you know, a little bit of a nod that deserve more attention. And this this award, it's it's exciting this year in a weird way on defense because it is so wide open. And then offense, it felt like Jaden was just kind of going to, you know, sleepwalk to it. And it's gotten a little tighter now, not only because of his injury,

but Caleb playing well and some skill guys playing really well. So I love when we get to dive into what the rookies have done. And it's something that hopefully we'll dabble in a little bit more throughout the year. Yep. We got one more episode coming for you this week. It won't be as late as it was last week. It'll be more of that midweek episode.

And yes, folks, after a long wait, after many requests, Fix Your Franchise is back. We will be fixing a NFL team on Wednesday. I'm not going to tell you who it is. I'm going to make you wait until then. You got to check it out. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. Thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. We will see you for Fix Your Franchise on Wednesday. Thank you.