NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 290. Fix Your Franchise: Jacksonville Jaguars

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

0:00 - Intro 5:10 - How we got here 18:35 - Drafting Walker over Hutch 28:40 - Baalke staying? 33:50 - Coach candidates 46:00 - Roster overview 54:05 - Free agency plan 1:08:40 - 3-round mock

Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, back to the fixture franchise series, and we're talking the Jacksonville Jaguars. Ugh, it has been such a long streak of the Jaguars and their fans being down on their luck, but we are here to change that. We're talking everything in the front office and the coaching staff.

We're giving you a free agency plan, a whole new roster outlook, including a Jags-centric mock draft to finally turn the page for this franchise. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. Trevor Sycamore and Connor Rogers here with you guys. A Fix Your Franchise episode of the program. And we're doing the Jacksonville Jaguars this week. We heard the

cries of the people. And man, it feels like this has been a cry for months since we started the Fix Your Franchise series, Connor. This year, people have been asking for the Jags. And we wanted to wait a little bit because one, still got their head coach. They still got Doug Peterson. We didn't know what was going to happen with general manager. We wanted to kind of have a better idea of where they were going to be in the draft order. But to quote you in text message earlier this week, said, we do the Jags fix your franchise this week.

You said, yeah, these people need some kind of hopium. So here we are. These people, we are your local hope dealers we are the breaking bad of making hope they're gonna delivering it to the people yeah we're getting the rundown trailer when we make shirts we might need to have hope dealers as if sex addict is not enough of a uh of a slogan here for the podcast. How you doing, buddy? Do you call it a Winnebago or an RV?

I exclusively call it an RV. Yeah, me too. But I feel like more people should use Winnebago. Is that like the equivalent of Taylor Hammond pork roll or what do they call it? Like when you make a copy of something, but some people call it the name of the brand. I feel like it's that. Like some people call it a Winnebago because that's the name of the brand,

but the actual name of the vehicle is RV, recreational vehicle. Right. I like when people use Winnebago, though. That's old school dirty. Are you saying that this is where we're making the hopium? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, yeah. You know, I follow you so in a second maybe all right i know that seemed wildly random maybe before we that was incredibly random and that's why i was laughing so hard maybe before

we get to the yacht maybe we got to travel the country yeah just giving out hopium to the people of america gas up the winnebago and cook if we did fix your franchise on the road on the road from a winnebago but like we parked it and sat outside in the fold-out chairs it's something that's when you know the pods made it when we had the budget to do fix your franchise like that that would be that expensive but it's definitely more expensive than us sitting at home depends what kind of rv or sorry it depends what kind of winnebago you've got. Can we get someone to sponsor it? Oh, now we're talking. Hey, if you're out there and you want to sponsor the pod with Winnebago, we'll take your $5.

Take any RV company. That's true. That's true. We're definitely. Toe Jet Skis behind it. I'm actually really behind on my bills. This is just a way to say like I'm broke, guys. I don't know what't know what to do no i'm just kidding um jags fans it's finally here we're talking about fiction franchise they've waited long enough we're sorry we have but again we wanted it to be a

little bit more solidified here yeah uh and we wanted to have a bigger bigger better picture of honestly don't mean to be harsh but like how bleak was this going to be right like was it going to be okay well they're just they're still kind of right there because the last two years they finished nine and eight one year they made the playoffs the other year they didn't they've kind of been right there is it going to be the same thing for Jacksonville or is it going to be a lot worse unfortunately it's a lot worse but that does make this exercise a lot more fun if you're new here what's up please subscribe to the channel we would love it obviously I said I'm behind on my bills need to pay those please subscribe to the channel. We would love it. Obviously, I said I'm behind on my bills. Need to pay those. Please subscribe to the channel.

But what we'll do is we'll get to how we got here. We'll talk about the record, everything like that. We'll talk about some draft woes, some head coach or GM candidates. If we think that that applies, we'll give you a free agency strategy, and then we'll give you a three-round mock draft at the end of the show like we do for all of these. Dude, where do we start with the Jags? You want to start with Trent Baalke? I show like we do for all of these um dude what i mean where do we start with the jacks you want to trump bulky you want to start with trump bulky i feel like we got to give a little bit more of a background before we get to trump yeah you're right let's i guess he can be the bow on the gracie just marches her ass in here mid pod looking around uh sorry um she smelled the

hopium she's a she's a scavenger she's looking to chomp on some hopium scavenger. She's looking to chomp on some hopium. And boy, do we have a pile of that for you here, girl? I think you're right. I'm definitely putting the the to the cart before the horse. Another old person saying like, there we go. Yeah, we'll get to bulky because he's still there. I think you have to talk about the people that have left us with the Jags to talk about how we actually got here.

Right. Yeah. No, that's the yacht before the Winnebago is actually, I think, the podcast version of what we wanted to say there. I do think we have to take it back a little bit further. And I really think that Dave Caldwell's time with the Jags is unfortunately still something that they're feeling with this team.

So just to set it up a little bit, they're two and 10 right now. Jags have the number one pick in the 2025 NFL draft. If the draft were to end today, they would be the team picking at the very top with Trevor Lawrence going on. I are now, you know, first it looked like,

okay, maybe it was from the concussion with Aziz Alshair hit. Now it looks like he's scheduled to have shoulder surgery on the AC joint. That's not his throwing shoulder, by the way. Just wanted to make sure that was very clear. He's done for the season, but it makes sense, right? They're not really playing for anything at this point. And in fact, they are playing for something.

And it is that number one overall pick. So it's kind of that quiet quitting, you know, that like quiet tanking kind of a thing that you're not allowed to do in the NFL. But it's like, oh, Trevor's hurt. We're going to put him on IR. Let Mac Jones be a flamethrower out there and just throw the ball everywhere. Tommy DeVito is the poster boy. That's not quiet quitting.

That's walking out of the office and yelling, go fuck yourself. To the fan base, or they're trying to put together the best team that they possibly can. So for the Jags, the reason why I wanted to make sure that we did this episode right is because it's been tough for fans of this team. Jags have been bad for a while now. Since 2007, the Jags have 189 losses, which are the most in the NFL. They went 11-5 that 2007 season with Jack Del Rio.

And really since then, it's been bad. Since then, they've only had one double-digit winning season. And it was that 2017 year with Doug Marone as the head coach where they went on that magical run that ended in the AFC Championship. Should have gotten them to the Super Bowl because Miles Jack wasn't down. I see you Jags fans. I believe you. I'm right there with you. So it just has not been good for this team for a while. Losing, rebuilding, it unfortunately feels like it is just a part of who the Jacksonville Jaguars are. And what we're going to

try to do on today's podcast is stop that or at least give you a plan to where, okay, maybe we can get to that point. You talked about Trent Baalke, maybe having him out, and it seems like Doug Peterson is certainly a dead man walking. So maybe you get to change a lot of things within that organization. But before we get to Baalke, so I want to shout this out. Brett Coleman tweeted this out for end of the show. And he said, he pointed out how the 2020 draft set the Jags back a lot. And I agree with him. That draft was terrible. Then you had the Urban Meyer year. I'll get to the draft a little bit more in a second. But then you had the Urban Meyer year. I'll get to the draft a little bit more in a

second, but then you had the Urban Meyer year where you go three and 14, and it was just the biggest clown show that was possible for this organization. You thought you had it all figured out and you thought that this was going to be, wow, a dynasty that you were setting up and it was anything. But then it felt like they hit the jackpot with Doug Peterson, right? Former Super Bowl winning coach, former quarterback guru. He becomes available. And it's 9-8 in the first season. All right, that's a great first season. Make the playoffs. All right, 9-8 the second season.

All right, disappointing how it ended there with them. I made sure to get the years right this time. Sorry, Chicago Bears fans. I know you yelled at me for that last time. That's on me. But now they're sitting here even worse. Now they're 2-10. Now Doug Peterson, it looks like he's out.

Connor, what did you think about just that timeline of, I think, really just Urban Meyer and Doug Peterson? Because I thought this was going to be what set this franchise up for years. To me, it felt like the Urban Meyer was a blessing in disguise because Doug Peterson was available, and they were going to get a fantastic head coach, somebody who led the Eagles to the promised land. Now you have Trevor Lawrence.

That same thing was going to happen in Jacksonville, and it just straight up has not happened, man. Well, I think the larger point or the larger outlook of it to me, besides the failure of it, is that this franchise, for all their shortcomings, has an owner that cares and will spend money and will go the extra lengths to try things rather than just saying, who's the next coordinator up? And we'll give them a, you know, whatever.

Like it's putting perspective for people. I know coaching deals aren't public, but when you hire a first time head coach, that's a coordinator. It's usually a much more reasonable deal than, for example, the rumor with Urban Meyer's contract was that it was a five-year deal worth between $10 and $12 million a year. That's like mega money. Right. So this is an owner that he goes the extra length to try to set this team up for success.

They invest heavily in analytics and their facilities, I feel like, and they spend in free agency. They give their personnel department. Cash and cap is very different in the NFL. And I mean, we talked about this with the Bengals a little bit. Cap space and actually having the cash to go get players, the way you structure the contracts, paying out signing bonuses, like that, you need an owner that wants to

spend to do that and while on paper it looks like a lot of the owners around the league do spend it is different having somebody that will their front office will come to them and they will basically give them the green light and trust them and sign the checks it's not that easy in the NFL to do that not all owners in the NFL do that I think this is a situation where this owner does in ShotKhan who it just it just hasn't worked. And it's disappointing because they I don't think people were insanely critical at the time of the Urban Meyer idea. I don't think people were insanely critical of hiring Doug Peterson because both of them urban at the college level and Doug at the NFL level had championship success. And what it's,

you can't just kill a move all the time when somebody has had championship success that recently or in there on their resume, but for a variety of reasons, it didn't work. There are personnel problems with this team, but coaching has been one of the many problems and it's a shame um because it felt like when they got Trevor Lawrence that this division I thought was going to become Jacksonville's for a long time to come and not that they'd go on challenge for it Trevor but you could see a damn for 10 years like the Jags could rip off six or

seven division titles because they got this guy. And we are nowhere close to that. It's unfathomable. And when they went nine and eight that first year and got into the playoffs and won a playoff game, like I that is what I thought. I thought the Jags were certainly well on their way. Not that it was going to be perfect, not that it was going to be easy. But I felt we were going to talk about this team as one of the dominant teams in the division, even in the conference moving forward. And you're right. They go 9-8 the next year.

It's a disappointing end of the season. They don't make the playoffs. 2-10 this year. Dude, they are 3-15 going back to week 13 of last year. It's crazy. That's, oh my gosh, man. I mean, I didn't think that was possible under doug peterson i really didn't i really did not and also you know because i've been pulling up all their draft

history yeah we'll get into that we'll jump in yeah yeah i don't want to get into the specifics but just you know they could potentially be picking number one this year for the third time since 2021. That feels almost impossible to do. Number one, especially, especially if the same GM is making the pick. Well, that's good.

We're going to get open that combo. You tell me when you say when it's quote tombstone. And cause my God, it's just, yeah, that part of it is despicable. So, so Dave Caldwell was the general manager for the Jacksonville Jaguars before they had Trent Baalke.

They hired Trent Baalke in 2021. And so I do want to look at some of the draft classes that led us up to that point. You have that 20, you have that 2017 season where they make a deep run in the playoffs and so unfortunately for them the 2018 NFL draft was pretty stacked I mean this was a this was a really good draft class this is the Baker Mayfield, Saquon Barkley, Bradley Chubb, Quentin Nelson, Denzel Ward, Josh Allen, Mika Fitzpatrick, Vita Vea, Derwin James, Jair Alexander, Frank Ragnow, Colton Miller, Mike McGlinchey was in this draft class, Roquan Smith's in this draft class if I forgot to mention him, Sam Donald, obviously a legend now, never wrong, just early. This was such a good first round and the jags just happened to make a deep playoff run so they didn't get to pick high in the 2018 nfl draft and then the year later that was a disappointment in 2019 because they went six and no they went um they went five and eleven that season in 2018 so then the 2019

nfl draft they get josh hines allen in the top 10 which is like okay that's good objectively a good pick i liked the juwan taylor pick i think people look at this 2019 class for jacksonville and there's some jacksonville fans you tell me i feel like there's some sour feelings over juwan taylor but juwan taylor was at least serviceable for you and then obviously he goes to the Kansas City Chiefs. I know he's committed a lot of penalties and that's kind of his reputation, but wins a Super Bowl with the Kansas City Chiefs. But Josh Allen in the first round, Jawan Taylor in the second,

Josh Oliver, who, okay, he's doing it for another team, but like is a decent tight end. And then Quincy Williams, who they cut and became an all pro with the jets, not pro bowler, all pro. And then in that sixth round, they got Gardner Minshew. So it's like, okay, Caldwell kind of nailed the 2019 NFL draft. I don't know if I'm going to yell that or not for that, but he kind of nailed it.

Those guys just didn't really pan out for them. Minshew starts that next year. They get a top 10 pick again. And then this is where things I think really just start to go downhill for them. And it is a disaster class. I think this draft, I agree with Brett Coleman when he tweeted this out, this draft set them back and is still setting them back right now. The 2020 draft for the Jacksonville Jaguars was C.J. Henderson, who was traded to Carolina like a year and a half later. Like barely even much. I mean, the character evaluation of C.J. Henderson and his fit with Jacksonville, like they completely blew that.

I mean, obviously he hasn't exactly been a superstar or a number nine overall caliber corner anyways, but for that to end that quickly and you not get much out of him, terrible. Caleb on chase on, didn't work out for you. LaVisca Chanel in the second, bad. Davon Hamilton, still on the team, but I mean, not really an impact defensive tackle,

especially this season. Ben Bartz, Josiah Scott, Shaq Quarterman, Daniel but, I mean, not really an impact defensive tackle, especially this season. Ben Bartz, Josiah Scott, Shaq Quarterman, Daniel Thomas, Colin Johnson. Like, there's no contribution in this draft for Jacksonville. There was, like, nothing that they could really hang their hat on with this group. I know Hamilton's still there, but that was tough for them. Bartz started a little bit for them, but I'm just kind of looking at his starts now.

But man, to me, that was the draft that completely set them back because for you to whiff as hard as they did there, and then for you to change general managers the year after, and all of a sudden, now we're in a situation where it's a new coaching staff, it's a new general manager. Now, not only are these guys not good, we probably want to move on from a handful of them anyways, because we want

to get our guys into the building. It completely killed, in my opinion, what was a healthy next man up type of a thing for Jacksonville. And they've been in this cycle of trying to overspend in free agency, or at least they did the couple of years after that, where they're trying to overspend in free agency, or at least they did the couple of years after that, where they're trying to mitigate some major draft misses with free agents that they're bringing in. And you just, you never really improve the way that you need to. They just have not built this roster as healthy as they have needed to. Like you assigned Shaq Griffin the next year in free agency because they

had to make up for it because CJ Henderson was so bad and he wanted out. Like you're just spending free agent money at that point to mitigate a loss. You're not spending free agent money to make your team better. So those moves, I think totally set them back in a lot of ways because the health and the depth and the core of the team was all of a sudden gone, especially with all of the changes to the regime. So that 2020 draft,

I think has bled into a lot of the roster issues that they have had. I like the 2021 draft. Like, I like Balky's first draft. I'm not going to sit here and, like, give him all sorts of credit for picking Trevor Lawrence. I mean, that was the obvious one. But, like, Trevor Etienne's been a good back for you when he's been healthy.

Tyson Campbell's a really good football player. I like Walker Little. I think Walker Little is fine. They give him the extension, but I think Walker Little is fine. Andre Sisco has developed into a really nice safety for you. So you kind of hit on those five picks. That's good. That's a really nice draft in 2021, 2022. You know, you kind of got the nightmares of picking Trayvon Walker over Aiden Hutchinson. I like Devin Lloyd. We have to stop there. Okay, go ahead.

I mean, that's ridiculous. It is out-thinking the room. Out-thinking the room. No, 100%. It's utterly ridiculous. And it got, in my opinion, got the biggest pass of all time. I just still, to this day, I sit here and go, how did everybody was like, well, he's big, he's strong, he's fast.

And I'm not saying Treyvon Walker's a bad player. That's not what I'm saying. He's got eight sacks this year. Eight and a half. Don't shortchange him. But it is. Sorry. Eight and a half.

It is crazy in that light. I'm trying to look up. So that was the 2022 draft. 2021. I want to make sure I have this right. 2021. Yeah, that was the 21 draft 2021 i want to make sure i have this right 2021 yeah that was the 21 draft i want to see no walker's board walker was the 2022 draft which draft do you talk about trayvon walker 2022 why yes 2022 i could read um clearly not i want to see the consensus board on that because i'm just curious where everybody landed.

He was, he was late, right? Like Walker was a late rise. People. He was, I remember Dane Brugler from the jump was on it, that he was going to go way earlier than anyone was anticipating.

Everybody, everybody kind of batted an eye. Right. And Dane's obviously got really good sources in the league. And I think Jeremiah followed suit with that. And don't remember if Kuyper actually surprised by this so on a Reefs consensus board that year he does the forecasters and the evaluators and the forecasters had Trayvon Walker seventh that's not a surprise there was a lot of buzz building would you have him do you have your board up I'll pull it up in just a second i need to look um and the evaluators though had him eighth i thought it would have been outside

that like just outside the top 10 but it's it was definitely a it was just a surprise all things considered yeah i would have thought that it would have been a little bit lower where's mine uh where did i have trevon walker i trevon walker 15th we're gonna be really close on this i had him as edge four in the class behind tibbs hutch uh item 20th the chipotle man himself george karloftis oh my god the the the cart of Chipotle, white rice at stake on a forklift. Now, admittedly Walker's been better than a few, like a couple of players I had ahead of them.

So I was probably like 20 was probably a hair too low, but I didn't really have to do like the full. Yeah. Let's go look back. I had Jermaine Johnson ahead of him too, actually. Me too. And Jermaine,

I think I know he tours Achilles this year, but I think Jermaine was a way better player than him last year. Yeah. No, it's true. I'm sure there's some Jacks fans that'll push back. Like Walker, I don't, he hasn't been a bad player. That's not the point. No, no, no.

It was just really hard to watch Hutchinson do what he's doing right like that's that's what that's what really makes it so difficult is he's a borderline franchise player for the Lions right or maybe not borderline I mean he's when you think of their defense you think of Aiden Hutchinson and they are so wait yeah yeah I was I was I was sleepwalking as I was reading something. He's 1,000% of franchise corners known for the Lions. Yes. Yeah, yeah. You're building the entire defense around Aiden Hutchinson at this point for how good he was playing.

But, yeah, I don't want it to seem like Trayvon Walker sucks because I think that's a bad narrative. But it's the overall point. To me, it just felt like out thinking the room a little bit can i go back to there were other layers of that 2020 draft outside of just the the picks that they missed so also it was a disaster in 2020 because not only did it feel like they whiffed on basically every player that they drafted yeah 12 players they didn't go after you think about the 2020 draft

this was the this was the offensive line draft which sucks because they had the number nine overall pick the only offensive tackle of andrew thomas tristan worse mckay beckton jedrick wills like of those guys like austin jackson was also in the first round like of those offensive tackles the only one who had gone off the board was Andrew Thomas at that point so you don't want to be too revisionist history about it because Jedrick Wills and Makai Becton were the next two guys who were off the board but like Tristan Wirfs was there as well and the reason why they would have never been interested in Tristan Wirfs is because they just drafted DeJuan Taylor the year before and they already had Cam Robinson on the left side. So it's kind of like bad luck because if you don't draft Juwan Taylor,

who again, like, I don't think Juwan was terrible. Did he become the player that they needed him to be? No. But if you don't draft Juwan, guess who they're drafting at number nine overall in 2020? They're drafting Tristan Wirfs because Wirfs played the right side of the offensive line. So it would have been the easy transition for them, I think. So sometimes the hindsight game of the draft of who you would rather pick is a brutal one.

And sometimes it's a little too unfair, but I think that was realistic there. They also didn't draft any of the receivers in 2020. This was the Jerry Judy, Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb. I mean, Henry Ruggs was obviously in this draft class as well, but like Brandon Ayuk was in the first round of this draft. Tee Higgins was in this draft. There were so many great receivers that they didn't go after either

because of the way that they felt the receiver room was set up. Let me look. At the beginning of April of that year in 2020, they had Marquise Lee, DJ Chark, and DD Westbrook on the team as their wide receivers. They didn't opt for any of those wide receivers because they weren't seeing his top 10 overall picks. It's just the 2020 draft is so painful for Jacksonville

because it could have been so different for them from a team building perspective at this point. It put Balky in a really tough place to start. That's a fair point. Yes. When you miss on – And, again, I think he did well in 2021. A 12-player class.

He did. And, once again, I want to reiterate, Trayvon Walker is a good player, but he was the number one overall pick that's so it's it they it's hard to get cute or cheeky when you have inherited a situation that you can't afford that right I often think of that with Joe Douglas and they're it's they're a very interesting combo because I believe bulky right now is 30 and 65 since he's been GM, which is very similar to Douglas's record when he got fired. Taking Becton over Wirfs is the perfect example of getting cute. Becton could always be a Hall of Fame player because of that build and size,

but the floor was lower. Walker's probably a different combo, although Walker's size and athleticism gave him a really good floor, specifically against the run. But Hutchinson's overall pass rush ability right away was why most people had him over there. So, like, that's it doesn't mean Walker's a bad player. He's a good player. But the point is, Balky could never afford to get cute with certain picks because of what he inherited.

And that kind of bit him. And he had a really good 2021 draft. When you look at 2022 it's not like it's a disaster but then it put him in a spot where in 2023 and 2024 your chances like your ability or or really missed opportunities are going to cost you twice as more than anyone else and that's where this thing kind of spins out of control. Not to mention the coaching is a massive problem. Right, right, right.

Which again, I thought the coaching was going to make up for a lot of this stuff. I mean, we've seen so many times, and we even talked about it on last week's show. If you have a great coach, they can elevate the floor of the team so well. They get the most out of all of their players. Now, I do, like we do on this podcast, if we're going to criticize, we're going to make sure that we do it fairly and appropriately. Absolutely.

It's not like Aiden Hutchinson was this, like, no doubt about it, 100%. Like, there were no flaws to him. When you look at Aiden Hutchinson, unbelievably productive at Michigan. Obviously, he goes number two overall for a reason. He kills the combine with the athletic test, but the worries with Aiden Hutchinson were 11th percentile wingspan, 7th percentile arm length. And when you look at who Trent Baalke is and the players that he has

prioritized as a general manager, both in San Francisco and with Jacksonville, it makes sense why he would not take that type of a player. He does not like drafting players specifically with premium picks where they are at like measurably limited at all whatsoever. A little more old school thresholds. He, he has thresholds, but he just, he, he does not deviate from from that and this was an instance where okay you have a general manager who maybe has an eye for great athletes with great build for an NFL player but he did that to the nth degree here and he ended up picking a prospect who was too much of a project over Aiden Hutchinson who has obviously solidified himself as one of the best pass rushers in the game.

Now, to be fair to him as well, it felt like they had a little bit of time, right? Trevor Lawrence was in the second year of his rookie deal. You knew you were signing a new head coach. It felt like the Jags had a little bit of time. So even if Trayvon Walker was going to take a little bit of time, they felt like they were in the right position to draft a player like that and unfortunately they're correct because you're still there so they still got time for him to develop but now you're getting towards the end of that rookie contract and um you know we'll kind of dig into the roster a little bit more once we get to once we get to

that point but yeah i think that this is the point of the show now where we talk about the general manager situation if you have more thoughts on bulky i it seems like he's staying the fact that they gave walker little that extension uh when the jags don't really do that at all like it's not bulky's mo to do extensions in season for them to do that makes me feel like he is still going to be part of this organization and we've got you know a month left to go and no trevor lawrence like man the vibes could get way worse in jacksonville maybe they do move on but i'm not convinced man it's not a break the bank type of an extension with walker little so even if they if they fired him if they fired him at the end of the season,

it's not like we'd look back on this and be like, what are you doing with the Walker Little extension? How can you put this on a new GM? Yeah, but the deal's fine. It's not that big of a deal. And it's a starting caliber offensive tackle. So that's never really a bad decision anyway. I don't want to say it's a guarantee that he's back,

but it does kind of feel like he is going to be back. But you tell me, how do you feel about this with him? Do you think he's back but it does kind of feel like he is gonna be back but you tell me how do you feel about this with him do you think he's out for sure so my problem with this is i don't want to do the one foot in one foot out thing where bulky stays but you're hiring a new coach and then he's on the hot seat and then bulky's on the hot seat like there's here's the problem because you could argue over you know bad picks and good picks right and that he what we know he inherited a mess what we know his drafting in 2021 was good his drafting in 2022 little hot and cold like we said Trayvon Walker good player but the Aiden

Hutchinson it's it's a weird number one overall pick that was you know not the right move Luke Fortner at you know and this isn't a hindsight thing. He takes Luke Fortner to be their interior offensive lineman, center or guard, wherever you want to play him. He was mostly a center prospect coming out 65th overall. This isn't a hindsight thing. Luke Fortner was 116 on the consensus board. Yeah.

And he's been a bad pick for them. Really bad pick for them. So once again, if you wanted to get into good picks, bad picks, I think Brian Thomas Jr. is a really, really good pick. Yep. We can go through that for days. But he hasn't been good enough that you sit there and go, we know bulky is not the problem. We need a coach. I don't, I can't, I don't feel that way. I feel like he might be part of the problem. And if that's the case, and we didn't even get any of

the pro side things they've done. If that's the case, why not just start clean on both ends with a GM and a head coach rather than, yeah, we're going to hire a head coach, but you're working with Trent Bulkey. Not every head coach candidate, and Jacksonville will be an attractive job. They have a good owner that spends money. They have Trevor Lawrence, who people in the NFL still really like, and it's not the same media market that going to Chicago or going to the Jets or going to places like that is where a million people are down your back. Why are you starting off one and three?

You should be fired. It's not like that right now. But Trent Baalke there could be a factor that deters some candidates, not all candidates, but some candidates. Yeah, I think the biggest issue is Baalke's style just feels very in his lane. And if you gel with it, then maybe you could put together a hell of a roster. Like, obviously, they were able to do that in San Francisco. They were able to put together incredible teams with him and Jiharbaugh because, you know, they were seeing eye to eye.

But if you don't have a head coach that sees eye to eye with you, I thought Peterson would with Balky, but obviously I don't think that that has been the case. Do you alienate your head coach immediately? Like does the general manager just think, okay, well, these are the types of players that I want to draft. And a head coach goes, well, these are the types of players that I want to draft. And he, to me, he's just very much more,

I don't want to say set in his ways because that sounds too stubborn, but he has his way of doing things. And I do think that it's more in his lane than it is, hey, I've got a wider scope on the types of players that I could draft and all that kinds of stuff. So to me, the biggest, I think, criticism of keeping him is you're now pigeonholing like who you can hire as head coach. That's the problem. Let me ask you this. Trent Baalke, right? 60 years old, started his scouting career in 1998 under Bill Parcells with the New York Jets. That tells you everything you need to know about his thresholds, old school, all that stuff. Yeah. Doug Peterson.

What would we classify Doug as? More of an old school coach. More of an old school kind of football guy who's been around, played in the league, coach in the league. Right. What when teams fire coach Trevor, what do they often do? They often get the guy that is most different from the guy they just fired, whether it's players coach to drill sergeant, whether it's a CEO, defensive guy to offensive mastermind, whatever it may be. If you're hiring a new coach after letting Doug Peterson go,

what kind of coach do we think they're hiring? Probably a new forward thinking, new era NFL guy, most likely going to be somebody they try to staple to Trevor Lawrence's hip. I know that was the thought with Doug, but still that I don't, it's an assumption, but my, or more of a hypothesis. I don't think that person will most likely blend with bulky is my take. I do agree. I, I, I do. I don't know who they're going to get. Like if we're bringing head coaching candidates into the mix here, the three names that I really like for Jacksonville, I'd be curious if

you have a list yourself, but the three names that I like the most, Ben Johnson is the obvious one that's on every single list. Obviously, if you can get Ben Johnson, great, but him coming to Jacksonville, I'm not so sure about that. If he has the power of picking the GM as well, maybe that's enticing to him. Well, I have a plan for that, but go on. Ben Johnson is sort of a candidate that is there,

but Clint Kubiak is another one. Like he is one of these young new age offensive coordinators who I think has been fantastic with what he has been given to work with, with a tumultuous situation with the new Orleans saints. So I think that he would be good with the Jags. I think he would be good with Trevor Lawrence. Now, is he the head coach type? That's to be determined.

I'm not in head coaching interviews with him or anything like that. But then the other one is the combination of, and, you know, as a Bucs fan, I certainly hope that this doesn't happen, but you go with John Spitek, the assistant general manager for Jason Light, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and you go get Liam Cohen as well. So Liam Cohen becomes the head coach. John Spitek becomes the general manager. And those are two guys who are in Tampa Bay right now.

And, yeah, I understand that Liam Cohen's only been there a year, but I got to think that him and Spitek have somewhat of a relationship now. And, you know, if you come into Tampa Bay, they're not just hiring like, you know, people who don't, people who are zigging when they're zagging. You know, like Tampa Bay is not about hiring like guys who do not fit exactly what their culture and organization are all about. So if Liam Cohen's here and he's offensive coordinator in Tampa, then I got to think that from the top down, he's gelling with the vibes, the mentality, the things that they look for, the culture they try to set up, all that kinds of stuff. So that's a combination that I would take to Jacksonville if you can get those two guys out of Tampa Bay.

I don't know if that's the case case because if Tampa feels like they're going to lose Liam Cohen, they might just make him head coach. And we'll see if that ends up happening. But to me, that's a pairing that I really like for Jacksonville. If we're talking about hypotheticals here. I do too. And me and you are thinking the same pathway here where we're thinking of some pairings, which is, in my opinion, a big selling point.

Like if I was in front of Jacksonville's entire ownership group and leadership group, I would be pitching to them or consulting to them that this is the time to get the right pairing together and really build it up that way. You think of Dan Campbell with Brad Holmes and on and on these lists and examples go. Where pairings to me, you brought up Ben Johnson. I would want to bring Ray Agnew over with him from Detroit,

who has the reputation of a guy that helped build the Lions in both sides of the ball in the trenches, offensive line and defensive line. That's where Ray Agnew's strengths are as a scout and where he gets a really big-time reputation around the NFL. And that would be great for Jacksonville. And they have pieces on the defensive line, but if you can really make this offensive line,

a strength in front of Trevor Lawrence, and you have Ben Johnson and those guys have been together in Detroit, that would be my pairing with GM and head coach, my same thing. And this is a little bit more outside the box or a little bit more because everybody would listen to that and be like, I want Ben Johnson with Trevor Lawrence. And sure.

If you tell me Ray Agnew could scout then get him in here but you know if they can't lure that kind of package why not bring over pete carroll for a short term time with nolan teasley he's the assistant gm of seattle another guy with a big time reputation so nolan teasley big time scouting reputation, who's going to be a GM in this league very soon. And we'll have his choice of a few jobs, I think shortly. So Pete brings over Teasley as the GM, but Pete hires an offensive coordinator of the likes of a Clint Kubiak,

who's going to probably be, you know, moving on as the saints bring in a new staff or a Brian Dable, an accomplished offensive coordinator. Maybe Mike McDaniel gets let go by the Dolphins. I think Pete builds the infrastructure and culture that a top flight offensive coordinator will want to go there because one, I believe in Trevor Lawrence. Two, I think Pete Carroll will make this a professional program that after

a year or two of success, I will get head coaching interviews elsewhere. You have that kind of hiring power if you're a Pete Carroll. I know people will think it's crazy because Pete would be the oldest coach in the NFL, but the Jaguars need, and yeah, but be clear, like a younger guy like Ben Johnson would be my number one with Agnew. But if you can't go that route, you can get this culture to be a winning program again, under Pete Carroll, who has hiring power, both the GM and both on the offensive side of the ball. I love, I love the, the, the Agnew Ben Johnson pairing. I think that's the dream for this team that, you know, when we've had the Ben Johnson conversation, it's always been about, well, Ben does Ben Johnson actually want the job? Cause he hasn't before in multiple stops, or at least when he's gotten head coaching interviews um i think something that

would be very alluring for him is knowing who the general manager is going to be and not necessarily saying like he's the one hiring the general manager because i always think that's a weird dynamic when that happens when you're like hiring your boss but to bring those guys over from detroit at the same time that might people might look at Jacksonville and might be like, why in the hell would Ben Johnson go to Jacksonville? That's why you would do it. It's the same conversation of like what we were talking about with the Bears, why he would go to the Chicago Bears.

It's Caleb Williams. You have the franchise quarterback in place. For Jacksonville, you have Trevor Lawrence, and then you're going to have a general manager that you know you're familiar working with, that you've been in that organization with them for a while. And to me, that also makes a ton of sense. As shocking as it might be, Jacksonville feels like one of the more plausible Ben Johnson landings. I agree.

If they can get somebody who is an assistant general manager with the lions, who's ready to become a general manager to go with it, because that would give him that sort of security and he wouldn't have to worry about. Cause it, I have a hard time believing that if Trent Balky is there, Ben Johnson going to be interested at all.

Why would you, we just set it up. You're going to be working for a general manager. Who's on the hot seat, who you might not even see eye to eye with. And then you got to draft a full draft. You got to go through free agency with them in two months. I don't know, man.

Sounds pretty unrealistic if you want to shoot for the stars and get a Ben Johnson type. But I agree. That's the whole point of the pairings conversation and why it's probably time to move on. Whether you've liked Balky's drafts, whether you've been indifferent to the entire sample size um and you know there there are pieces there for a ben johnson on offense you said trevor lawrence they have brian thomas jr who could be a true field stretcher and overall just

great player and the impact that that receiver on the field has on your run game and lightning boxes and obviously tank bigsby and Etienne and even a younger guy in the slot the way Ben Johnson has maximized the Monros St. Brown why not get the most out of Parker Washington who you know looks like and I know it's a really small sample size this year but he could be a starting slot in this league and be used the same way so there are pieces there that Ben Johnson's not walking into an empty room and going, how the hell am I going to run anything that I've run in Detroit here? No. So I, yeah, I think this, I personally, and I agree with you.

I think this is an attractive job to him, especially, or more importantly, if he has influence that there's a comfort level with who's the GM. I'm thinking about pairings too. I'm just thinking a little bit more about this. Brian gain was the general manager for the Texans for like three days to 2019. Yeah. One of the strangest runs ever.

And I, you know, it, it just, things did not go well with him and Bill O'Brien. And we had to build O'Brien. The pastor was had some control. Oh, yeah.

What was his name? No, I thought that was after. It might have been after Jack Easterby. Jack Easterby. All time NFL villain. All time NFL villain. No, he he he absolutely Game of Thrones. Brian Gane. That Thrones Brian Gane.

That was Brian Gane. Because he became Texans executive VP of team development in 2019. Man, do I love a long bullshit executive title. Jackie Easterby has the greatest Wikipedia career history

of all time. You want to put your seatbelt on and listen to this one? Okay, yeah, let's do it. Career history as an executive. Jacksonville Jaguars, 2004, operations intern. I love the word operations in the courtroom. Oh, well, they could get Easterby then. He'd come home. Coming home video.

A little homecoming. South Carolina, character coach for five years. Five years. Was it under Spurrier? Who was it under? 2005 to 2010. Wouldn't that be? I think that'd be, yeah, I think that would be Spurrier.

Kansas City Chiefs. Is it pronounced Chaplain? Well, no, just a chaplain. Chaplain, Chaplain. But if you want to call it a Chaplain, that's hilarious. For this exercise exercise i really do the chaplain it's it makes it sound like a fake job when he was just the chaplain so he said chaplain it gets better you think that one's good all right new england patriots

character coach and team development the secret to tom Tom Brady's success right there he absolutely kept the dynasty going yeah yeah very uh very odd but that's that's basically the guy but then is that was Bill O'Brien there with the Patriots like is that why is that why the coup happened I think so for him to overthrow Dane and this guy with Bill O'Brien as the head coach then this guy just becomes like the de facto GM or decision maker. It does feel that way. This is like a, this will be a Netflix doc.

Yeah, no, it says, it says on the Wikipedia, which never lies. Nobody could even access. right. Easterby along with coach and general manager,

Bill O'Brien worked to overhaul the roster with Easterby, the preacher handling the contract. The Chaplain, the preacher, handling the contract negotiations. The Chaplain! The Chaplain! Oh, that's good. That is the good stuff. So, all right. Justice for Brian Gaines. I didn't expect that.

No, I did not expect to go on that tangent. Brian Gaines got screwed. So, the reason why I'm bringing him up, Joe Brady. Oh, they're talking about pairings. Joe Brady, OC, Brian Gane, assistant general manager for the Buffalo Bills, has been for the last couple of years. He's been with the Buffalo Bills organization for a couple of years before that. So I'm saying pairings.

Pairings. That's the theme to me with the Jaguar. When I was planning this show, thatings, pairings. That's the theme to me with the Jaguar. Like when I was playing like this show, that was my main theme with this organization. Not a Jack Easterby sidebar, but I'm glad we got there. No, that was great. Always good to get a Jackie should be sidebar in here. I couldn't even remember his name.

So I'm glad that you, I'm glad that you brought this back up. There's probably any Houston, Texas fan who's listening to this show. Just a little bit, you know, behind enemy lines kind of a thing for the AFC South is probably just screaming inside the fact that we brought up his name. How dare you? All right. To just wrap that part of the segment up before we move on,

because we're going to talk about free agency, we're going to talk about the roster, and then we're going to give you a mock draft. You were talking about Agnew and Ben Johnson as a potential pairing from Detroit to come over as GM and head coach. I talked about Liam Cohen and John Spitek to do that from Tampa Bay. And then also Brian Gain and Joe Brady to be able to do the same thing for the Buffalo Bills. I like all of those angles. If I'm going to be honest with you, the Ben Johnson one is my favorite. And I know people

watching the show might be like, stop suggesting Johnson this one actually makes sense like this is the one that actually that I like the most when it comes to a Ben Johnson pairing and uh of course selfishly it also means that I'm not voluntarily taking John Spitek and Liam Cohen and taking them out of Tampa Bay but I also to be fair with you guys think that that would be a good pairing but we'd love to hear what you guys think about your head coach and general manager candidates for the Jacksonville Jaguars. All right, before we get into the roster and free agency, talk about some salary caps. Speaking of salary, finances, there's some things the school doesn't teach you, like how to handle the financial world appropriately, right?

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All right, roster. Yep. As we do, introing the roster, we're going to talk about key players. Now, once again, I must remind people, this isn't, okay, we're talking about these are the only good players on the team. These are the key pieces that we have on both sides of the ball. Starting with offense, Trevor Lawrence, Travis Etienne, Brian Thomas Jr., and I'm going to say Anton Harrison and Walker Little. And I know I'm going

to get some pushback for that, but Walker Little just signed the extension. I think Anton Harrison is getting better. And I do think as somebody who was high on Anton Harrison, when he was coming out of Oklahoma, I think he can develop into a good offensive tackle in the NFL. So I would like to, to, to move forward with your key pieces as Trevor Lawrence, Travis Etienne, Brian Thomas Jr., Walker Little, and Anton Harrison. That's what I got. Do you have any of the receivers in there? Do you have Evan Ingram in there? Do you have anybody else on there when it comes to key pieces?

I think Brian Thomas Jr. is the main one. Like I said, I'm hopeful for Parker Washington in the slot. And Evan Ingram's been a... Evan Ingram's a weird one, right? Because there's such a comfort level with him and Trevor Lawrence. But he's really a bigger wide receiver in terms of usage. And I think going back to like if Ben Johnson and Agnew came in or any of the pairings, I think a focal point of this team would be to be a bigger,

tougher team in the trenches that can just run the heck out of the football as well. And, and that would come into play of, you know, they have to figure out what, you know, Walker little and Anton Harrison can be a part of that.

That's the tough part. So receiver, you know, they have Christian Kirk as well. He's out for the season, but yeah, they were going to trade him, but he got hurt. His contract's huge, unfortunately.

But very cuttable, movable? I don't think it is. Is it? I thought it is. I don't think it is. Yeah, it's kind of one of those situations where, like, they probably will cut him and they'll just eat the dead money because you are the same time you're going to save 11 mil in cap savings

and that's a pre-june one whoa really yeah if you want to spread the money out as opposed june you're going to save 16 and a half million next year they're going to christian kirk i don't think we'll be on this team next year wow i guess i didn't realize that i saw the big i saw the big number amount i thought that he was gonna yeah the dead money is not great but it's not it's not like they have gabe davis too and gabe davis i think is on the team for one more year because i don't think it makes sense to cut him if i'm remembering that correctly that sounds right i mean gabe is pulling up right now the search would ever work um but yeah christian kirk i thought they were going to move on with from him at the trade deadline they got hurt yeah gabe davis you're

riding that out there's uh you're in the red if you cut him he's on this team next year for sure yeah yeah but i don't think he's a key piece no and i wouldn't call evan ingram a key piece honestly because if you know i wouldn't either if you move on from evan ingram post june 1 you save 15 mil pre-june 1 you save six so this is spreading out the money i mean you could keep evan ingram i don't think that evan ingram is a bad player but is he going to be worth it for you when you know that you're going to have trench needs is it's maybe one more year maybe and then it's all void years uh key defensive players i've got josh heinz allen trayvon walker it has to be yep uh devin lloyd and then tyson campbell yeah campbell's a really

good player it's a shame that he's been banged up yeah those are my three or those are my four that i have for the defense side of things do you have any others i think that makes sense the only one that i'm sort of like on the fence on is Andre Cisco, but he's a free agent. He'll probably get paid by somebody else. Lloyd has had a really good third year, hasn't he? No, I like Devin Lloyd. I like Devin Lloyd a lot as a prospect,

and I thought he had a little bit of a rocky road as a rookie, but I feel like he's played really well since then. Yeah, that would be mine as's played really well since then. Yeah, that would be mine as well. I agree with you. I Cisco feels like a guy that gets paid by somebody else. And I like Cisco. Yeah.

He's a playmaker on playmaker on the back end. I don't think he's, I like him coming out of Syracuse. I like him coming out of Syracuse. He's my dude. He's got range. You can take away the football. I know the interception numbers are down this year compared to previous years, I like him coming out of Syracuse. He's my dude. Yeah, he's got range. He can take away the football.

I know the interception numbers are down this year compared to previous years, but that's what happens when teams are just running out the clock on you. Yeah, he's still a good football player. He's good. That's it for me. Okay, so the big cap hits on this team going into next year. Christian Kirk's the big one, but you're saying you can kind of get out of that. Josh Hines-Allen's 15 mil on the cap. Trevor Lawrence is 17 mil on the cap.

Gabe Davis, we've talked about, can't really move him. He's six. Brandon Scherf has a void year. Yeah, it is what it is. I think he might retire. Devon Hamilton's 10 mil. Can you move on from Devon Hamilton? Do they? Well, what's the dead charge? I don't know I don't. Can you move on from Devon Hamilton? Do they?

Well, what's the what's the dead charge? I don't know. Hold on. Let me look it up. Look it up. Uh, ha ha ha. Ooh. Devon Hamilton, if you cut him pre June one.

Let's see. You are in the red 1.1 million. So not moving on from then, because you're not really going to designate him as a post-June 1, although you do save 7 million if that's the case. Yeah, I only get two post-June 1, so we got to be careful here. Christian Kirk has to be one, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because then you save the 16, right?

Man, Hamiltons, I'd like to get out of that deal i don't i don't know i don't think it's aging yeah because if if you do but if you do evan ingram as a post-une one then you say 15 yeah this is yeah they have some 15 and 16 with two players they have some bad deals on the books i hate to say it but that almost doubles their free agency money because right now they have 34 million effective cap space for 2025. That is, I think, like 18th or 19th in the NFL. Right. So they don't have a lot to work with. Spend a lot of money year after year.

Now they don't have a lot of free agents. I mentioned Andre Sisco is their biggest one. After that, it's Mac Jones, Jeremiah Ledbetter. Those are just guys that I know off the top of my head. Where's – let's see. Dearness Johnson. Right. Yeah, I mean, you already got right there. Luke Farrell.

Yeah, I mean, Cole Van Landen. I mean, these are – It's Sisco. Yeah, I said Sisco at the top. No, I'm saying that's the only one that matters. Oh, yeah. I'd bring Cisco back. I would too.

I don't know what his number is going to be. I really don't. But I would bring Cisco back. New GMs, though, typically, you know, they come in. Well, we don't know if this team is going to have a new GM. If Trent Baalke stays, then Cisco will be back. It's his player, probably. I think he should be back. It's his player, probably.

I think he should be back regardless. My take, though, on this team is that I'm not dying for a new GM to come in and just spend like they usually spend. But the thing is, the thing that could be enticing for a new general manager is, again, if you cut Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram, neither of them are your best receiver. Anyways, you still have Brian Thomas jr. What you are building a team around. You still have Parker Washington. Who's fine. Can replace you. Right.

Kirk. You still, I will. I mean, Kirk is better than Parker. Yes. He's a young player that I think is getting better. I like, I like him. I think his floor is fine. And then you have Gabe Davis who has to be on the roster next year.

Anyways. So in my opinion, and this is a really good tight end class. And you have an extra third and a fourth round pick. That's nice. Especially with this tight end class. So in my opinion, I'm moving on from both of those guys. I'm moving on from Kirk and I'm moving on from Evan Ingram. And I'm setting this up and I'm giving us $60 million to work with when it comes to free agents. How do you feel about it? I feel good. And I want to go out and

get a corner. Okay. So now we look at team needs. I think interior offensive lines, a big time team need every year. Brandon Sheriff could very well retire and he's 32. He'll be 33 next season. Mitch Morse is the same way mitch morse has one more year on his deal after this year but he is also 32 33 and he is you know in the twilight of his career you have ezra cleveland on one side and you have the two offensive tackles under contract anton harrison and then walker little just signed the extension so i think that there's like a center and a guard spot at least that you need along the interior offensive line i would love to go for a premium i know people hate for us to keep bringing up Trey Smith.

I don't think that they would be in the Trey Smith category for guard. I really don't. So you don't have to hear us talk about Trey Smith again here, but I think interior offensive lines and eat. I think interior defensive line is a need. It is. Hamilton hasn't been good enough. Devon Hamilton being your best interior defensive lineman is

not great. Although, yeah, I guess. I mean, they have Arik Armstead, right? I'm like, I'm thinking about Arik Armstead as well. Like, he is there so I guess I would take I would I would play him as the interior defensive lineman who I like obviously I think Arik Armstead is a really good player you drafted Mason Smith in theory if Mason Smith worked out and you have Arik Armstead and Mason Smith like you're okay in interior defensive

tackle especially if Devon Hamilton can then be a rotational interior defensive lineman for you but i still like the idea of defensive tackle being on the team needs list so corner interior offensive line interior defensive line and wide receiver to me and tight end then if you're moving on from ed so sound about right that sounds right okay So what are we doing in free agency? Who are we going after? I would really like to go get a corner for this team. Now, this is where... Show me corners!

It gets a little tricky, right? Do you... Because the guys I like are approaching 30. Like, DJ Reed has had a really good season. He will play, I believe, his age 29 season next year. DJ Reed's a good player. A guy that's had a tough year, and I think it's pretty fair why. I mean, I feel for Charverius Ward, what he's dealing with.

He's lost his two-year-old daughter. I know he's been on and off the field. He's had a tough year on the field, understandably so. He will be a free agent after the year. That's a guy that I think is a big bounce-back player. Like, Charverius Ward in this league is a big-time corner. He's been dealing stuff that nobody could fathom with this year. If you're putting any stock into his play on the field this year,

that's not fair to me. So, like, those are two corners that I'm looking at that are, yeah, they're getting towards 30, but I know they could play. Yeah, I think I'd go after one of those two guys. What about, but then we can look younger, you know, Paulson Adebo. Is there a younger corner that you look at and say, okay, I don't hate. Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it. I'd rather make the big splash at corner if we can, though.

I agree, because then you have an identity. What's Ronald Darby's contract? It can't be anything crazy. Because they have Darby, but where are we here with him? He is... Can't be anything crazy. Five mil on the cap next year, next year it's his last year he'll be 31 you could cut him and save two and a half million if you wanted to

i don't think they have to but i i did want to shout out i also want to shout because monterey brown's been okay i wouldn't want to rely on him being a starter, but Jerry and Jones, they have for the slot. And I wanted to make sure that I mentioned that. Yeah, use the decent pick on him. I like Jerry and Jones. So you have Tyson Campbell, you have Jerry and Jones. You really just need one other outside corner,

especially if you're bringing Cisco back. I actually don't know. How has Darnell Savage been for them? He's been a disappointment i feel like yes darnell sauvage oh not have great pff grades no i i noticed that consistently poor coverage grades yeah 20 man 2023 was his best season last year for Green Bay. And it looks like he has struggled this year.

52.2 coverage grade. Well, he's probably under contract for a while. I don't think he's somebody that you're moving on from, let's say. It's a thinner market. Like, it's not. Darnell Savage is under contract for the next two years after this, 2025 and 2026, and then his three void years. Yeah, he is not cuttable.

Okay. Yeah, he's not cuttable. So, he is on this team. So, I like the idea of getting one of those two corners, Charverius Ward or DJ Reed. Veteran for this defense on the back end. As my main focus. Yeah, I'm in on that for sure.

Okay, so we like that. And then interior offensive line again. You want to go back to or? Yeah, I think so. Because I think they have enough bodies along the interior defensive line and you could draft one and obviously you could draft one as well but you know there's a handful of names here for interior defensive line we've talked about mike pinnell we've talked about bobby brown uh we've talked about puna ford uh shout out the chargers guys who tweeted at us and we're

like stop giving puna for Ford to every other team. We have been doing that. We love him. He's one of the most underappreciated players in the NFL. He's a good player. Good player. Is this a James Daniels team? Could be James Daniels team.

Right? I mean, he was having a great year and then he's out for the year. Yeah. I don't hate James Daniels because he's got that center flexibility to him to him i think all his grades have been great when he has been a guard but he could he might be able to play guard for you and then when mitch morris if mitch morris plays another year then if mitch morris leaves then you might be able to get james daniels to play center for you and we can either draft a guard this year or draft a guard next year and then you sort of be ahead of the curve a little bit. I don't hate that.

Yeah. All right. So, so far we got, we got DJ Reed and Charverius Ward. We're bringing back Andre Sisco. We've signed James Daniels as well. Maybe you're probably, you're probably bringing in another offensive lineman too. You know, it's a, you know, it's a weird one one that i would do but i would take a flyer on him and see what he has left in the tank for this team because i think it's a really good voice

in the room for trevor lawrence and a young offensive line okay this is a spot where i i zach martin who i know i understand i understand zach martin is having probably the weakest year of his Hall of Fame amazing career. Yeah, he's out for the year now. That bar he set is so ridiculously high. You're telling me that Zach Martin at, you know, 34 next year. You're telling me a shrimp fried this rice. Can't give you.

I like it. Like the Zeitler thought, like, okay, maybe he's going to play one year here, but hey, it's Zach Martin. I like it. I like it a lot. I think he'll retire if he's not a Cowboy. Yeah, like physically, is he starting to fail him? I think he'll retire if he's not a Cowboy.

Cowboy for life? Yeah. I hope not. I hope Zach Martin tries to ride it out one more year. Yeah. That's totally fair. I mean, this would be like a real dark throw, Sonny. It's not the only move I'm making on the interior offensive line.

It's a supplementary move. You know, we talked about Colton Sheldon. He could be the team Shaplane. He could be the Shaplane. Yeah. He could be flying the Shaplane. Next thing you know, you go from Shaplane to making draft picks and sign an extension players to extensions.

Zach Martin just goes straight from playing, being on the field, that just gentle manager. We talked about Coleman Shelton a little bit in the fixing the bears episode. Don't hate him again as an idea where it's like, Hey, wherever you can upgrade the most most whether it's a guard or center now you know what okay here's what i would like to do james daniels i like because of the flexibility play garter center for you i also like the idea of taking a flyer on tevin jenkins because even though i don't know process even though i don't love the bears i wouldn't hate

if the bears brought him back because he's been a good player when he's healthy. But when we talked about in the last episode, we let him walk in our simulated offseason because he just hurts so much. So you want to give him that second contract. Jacksonville, depending on what his contract demands are, like what he's going to end up getting on the open market,

you could bring him in. You could almost be like, okay, well, we've already got ezra cleveland we've got james daniel we have mitch morris here and if tevin jenkins just happens to be an absolute ass kicker and is a fully healthy season good for us right so i don't hate that idea either as i'm sort of scrolling through the interior offensive linemen that might be available i i do like that the tevin jenkins as well so i think we came to the conclusion. We want one guy that is more of a sure-ish thing and one guy that's a dart throw flyer.

Yes. Yes. I think that's fair. Josh Myers, maybe if you can't get James Daniel, he's got that same sort of flexibility to him. That center guard flexibility. Don't hate that idea. Anywhere else on this roster?

For free agency, I don't think they'll be massive spenders anywhere else. I don't think that it would be wide receiver either. No, they have just dumped so much money into that position position and ironically their best player is a rookie okay so let's look at the updated depth chart all right we got benji well

just before we get into the mock draft because we're about to unleash the mock draft simulator on jack sands unleash we got agnew and ben Ben Johnson taking over as general manager and head coach. Right. And when it comes to the roster, obviously, we got Trevor Lawrence at quarterback. Well, I should say Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk are no longer on this team. We got Trevor Lawrence at quarterback, Travis Etienne and Tank Bigsby at the running back spots. Don't have a tight end. We got Brent Strange. I mean, he's still on the roster, but he's the starting tight end at this point.

Don't really have a starting tight end. You got Anton Harrison and Walker Little at the tackle spots. You got Izzy Cleveland. Mitch Morris is still here. Then we signed James Daniels and Tevin Jenkins. You got Brian Thomas Jr. You got Parker Washington. You got Gabe Davis.

Devin Duvernay as well. Defense side of things. Trayvon Walker, Arik Armstead, Davon Hamilton, Josh Hines-Allen. That's your front four. Don't hate it. They got Myles Cole and Mason Smith as well. Jordan Jefferson from last year's draft too. So I really don't hate that front.

Devin Lloyd, Foye Sayluokon, Chad Mumma. Those are the linebackers. And then we've got Ronald Darby still under contract for one year. But we added DJ Reed or Charverius Ward. You can pick one. Pick your poison there. Donald Savage and Andre Sisko are playing safety. Tyson Campbell, Jerry and Jones.

And they've still got a decent amount of money left over. So they spent on, in my opinion, what they needed to, but they didn't go down to the cap floor. They allowed themselves to still have a little bit of extra cap flexibility to maybe sign somebody else in your training camp or whatever if somebody comes available via trade. Or you can even take that money, roll it in next year, not have your books as tight, and see where your team is at after the first

year of a new head coach and new general manager. You like it? I do. I think it's a good start to turn things around in the Trevor Lawrence era, especially because they have a first round pick. They have a second round pick. They have two third round picks and they have two fourth round picks because of the move back in the Dallas-Turner trade where the Vikings traded up to go get Dallas-Turner

at number 17 overall last year. And the Jags moved back six spots to then draft Brian Thomas Jr., who they are surely happy with. So because they have the extra third and the extra fourth, Connor, how do you feel about doing four rounds? Yeah, we got to do it. All right, we got to do it all right we got to do it we convinced him unleash the mock draft simulator there it is in all its beauty what's cool about this one there it is you get the first pick you take any player

in the draft you like number one overall so we're entering in the draft so we talked about wide receiver we talked about corner we talked about uh interior defensive So we talked about wide receiver. We talked about corner. We talked about interior defensive line. We talked about, you know, offensive line as well. A lot of flexibility here for what the Jags can do. They can also trade back. Obviously they don't need a quarterback. They can trade back to one of these quarterback needy teams. You go back to one, three, five, depending on what the Titans are doing, you know, seven, depending on what the Jets are doing, maybe six, right? So there's a plethora of options for you within the top seven for you to be able to move back now it's not like a caleb williams type of a draft where trading back from number

one overall is going to get you generational pick wealth but it gets you something and you don't need a quarterback and you might be able to still get your hands on a wide receiver like tetra mcmillan a defensive tackle like mason graham the one player that you wouldn't get is travis hunter unless you are moving back to number two overall and guaranteeing that you are the next team to pick and that would be my move you would move you would move back to number two yep and nowhere else not in this draft i don't think what do you mean not in this draft oh yep and nowhere else not in this draft i don't think what do you mean not in this draft oh you're saying like not in this i would want to come away with travis hunter if i'm jacksonville in this scenario now here's the good news

i think you could squeeze a third round pick out of the raiders to do this oh i think you squeeze more than that you could remember remember it's not just the Raiders moving up to number one. They're bidding against all the other teams. That's exactly right. Now, here's the, and this won't factor in today's show because it's impossible. There is a dynamic. Let's assume they're coming up for Shadur or whoever this is.

Although, I still have Cam Ward as my top quarterback. I want to make that clear. There is like a feel that it may be Dion. There is kind of a, hey, we'll go here. We won't go there. We don't know that yet, but it feels like that. I mean, he's hinted at that himself, Dion. So that can hurt your trade value.

Yeah, if you want. I'm not doing that today because we don't know the teams. We don't know. You're right. You're right. You're right. But I do like the idea of the trade back. Cause I think it's fun.

It is fun. And going by the, the Rich Hill trade chart on draft tech, the number one overall pick is worth a thousand points. The number two overall pick is worth 717 for those at home. I'm wondering what the 283 point threshold kind of walks around. That's somewhere between the 18th and 19th pick in the draft. Obviously, they're not getting another first rounder to flip spots.

But the point is, to your original point, Trevor, it's probably worth more than just a third round pick. No, 100% it's worth more than a third round pick. In fact, I'd tell you it's probably worth. I think you're getting 34 from the Raiders. I think you're getting 34 from the Raiders. You, yeah, you're getting 34 from the Raiders.

Yeah. I wonder if, which give me a hell. Yeah, brother. Hell yeah. What? That's exactly what this feels like.

And you know, damn well, the Raiders got to do it if they want Shadur Sanders. What's the last, what's the last draft where we had one and two trade? No, we had two and three trade. Yeah, it was the Trubisky. The Trubisky trade. What was the...

Has it happened? It has to have happened. What was the package price for Trubisky? It wasn't cheap, considering it was just a flip for a two and three. Let's see. The Bears gave up a third round pick and a fourth round pick this year and a third round pick in 2018 to move up one spot. That's a good price in that draft. Because remember, in that draft, the way they're viewed now, like people didn't view Mahomes the way they do obviously now.

Deshaun Watson, it wasn't, it's not like it was you were coming up for, like there was other quarterback solutions that everyone consensus felt great about. All right, I'm picking the Raiders here. Let's do 34. You wanted to swap 34 and... I'm wondering if you get a third rounder next year or if it's going to be a fourth rounder next year.

Why don't you do a fourth rounder this year? You get 103. Well, at that point, they've already got two threes and two fours so to be realistic i mean like that's a huge ass draft class and maybe the new general manager wants it you want to do it i mean what could go wrong last time it took 12 players not a single one was a hit fine i don't care all right we're going to we're going to a two and it's four this year. We can go back up though with this, with these assets. Okay.

All right. So Jacksonville, I'm getting crazy here. Just, just Raiders roll with Raiders. Go at one. Who do you think they're going to take? You think they're going to take Jante in the MBS?

They're going to take, uh, if they take Travis Hunter, I'm going to be pissed. I'm going to be really, I'm going to be furious. I'm going to be actually furious online whoo all right we're just gonna imagine that's quarterback yeah it's not so the Jags get Travis Hunter at two after accumulating more assets which is probably

your dream scenario if you're a Jacksonville fan yes uh Travis Hunter I mean the flexibility that you would have I mean for the Jags at this point, if they sign a top-tier corner in free agency, then you set yourself up so beautifully because now you have a starting cornerback group of Ward or Reed, Tyson Campbell, Jerry and Jones, and then Travis Hunter, if any of those guys go down at any point in time. But then you also get to be a matchup player.

But then you get to, right, it's almost like a matchup player. But then you also get to play him primarily as a wide receiver. So it's Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter. Which, hey, there's a world where that's what he wants to do. We don't know yet. It's true. It's very true. So because of the trade, we now have pick 33 and 34. I don't know why these quarterbacks are here.

Somebody else. Ignore them. It's fine. No, I know. But somebody else pointed this out to me and I need to get this fixed. So I'm going to get this fixed. I promise. I'm going to get the bottom of it. Yeah. We're not the engineers, but we'll give it a go.

33 and 34. Okay. We see my take is here and it's, it's, you know, too late for this cause I'm a moron. The value of 33 and 34. 280. You would have moved up? I would have went back up and tried to get Mason Graham.

What? Although you wouldn't have. Yeah, I would have tried to get Mason Graham. So you went fourth. Okay, that kind of nukes that because it would have costed you 33, 34, and more capital. And like your first next year. That's what I'm saying.

So you can't do that. I thought he was going to go more towards eight or nine. Yeah, no. Okay, so we can't do that here. It's just an idea. All right, so let's see what we can do. Forget everything I've ever said. I almost lost my shit.

Forget everything I've ever said. Okay. So, I mean, edge rushers are plentiful here. Yeah, but they're good. Forget everything I've ever said. Okay. So. I mean, edge rushers are plentiful here. Yeah, but they're good at edge. And so are interior defensive line, though. That's where I really want to go. I like the interior defensive line play. They need interior defensive line.

TJ Sanders. You know, it's funny that it's early, but I would like to come out of the strap with the godfather for them they need that leverage monster fire hydrant scrapper have you watched Alfred Collins yet no I have not he is look at the run defense great man that's insanity look at the defense tackle for Texas I mean he he did not get a lot of play last year because Devondre Sweat and um and he plays the same. He, he filled sweats role. It feels like, yeah,

he's, he is a good football player. That's a good, I actually prefer him a little bit to core Godfather, who is definitely a different kind of player. And Corleone is going to have, of course, he's going to have to go through medicals and all that stuff,

which is important. You know, I want to pass rusher at the three technique spot. I want to take Walter tackle from T. I want either TJ Sanders, the defense tackle for i want either tj sanders the defensive tackle from south carolina or omar norman lot the defensive tackle from tennessee sanders is more solidified like he's done it for a couple of years now norman lot gives you some crazy athletic potential in my opinion i think he's a really good football player but i've been more

impressed with sanders i got to watch lot because he's been popping off name-wise for a while now. This has been a breakout year for him. Really interesting guy. He kind of came into the year as a very late day three prospect. He's played himself pretty comfortably into day two it looks like. I think I kind of

harping on what you said. Sanders' sample size gives me a little bit more faith on his floor. Okay, so let's do Sanders so he can be a little bit of a pass rusher, more guaranteed pass rush in the interior as a three-technique guy. We're still right for, dude, man, I mean, you could just end up in insane secondary and draft today, Baron, and just have him be a safety. Yeah, but I think we need i think we need another body on the offensive line that's young okay it's fair right i mean i don't want

to run this unit back or at least have somebody uh man sabania and booker are exciting to me here but we have 65 as well so you think you can get i don't think either of those guys i that seems a little late for them. I don't know. Maybe I'm off on that. I'd actually pick Zabel. Okay. Gray Zabel from North Dakota State.

Yeah, who's probably going to play guard at the NFL level, but... Or center. He could go that way. He'll probably get center looks at the senior bowl, I would think. He's so Graham Barton-ish to me. It's weird because... He's so Graham Barton-ish to me. Yeah, weird because... He's so Graham Barton-ish to me. Yeah, he has the movement skills that Graham Barton had.

It's interesting with Zabel, there aren't a lot of, although Joe Tippin is a recent one, 6'6 centers. But, I mean, if you play with good leverage, you'll be fine. I like Zabel here because, again, I think... That's a good fit. That's a really good fit. I think he could either hammer James Daniels, and this exercise takes over for Mitch Morse when he retires.

I'm down with this. I'm very down with this. All right, Greg. I'm excited to see Zabel at the Senior Bowl because it's the classic FCS guy that gets the competition bump there. Yep, yep. Okay, so 65. Now top of the third round for them.

Dude, how do we have so many picks left? We have five picks left. Oh, the Godfather's here. Oh, they take Collins? Buffalo Bills. That sucks. You have to round and found out. Damn, they also took Gunnar Helm.

Yeah, those were all good options. Go to tight end. We might have screwed that part up because I think they need a big-time tight end. Yeah, but I don't think we were going to take one. We did the right thing though we took the the defensive and offensive lineman at 33 and 34 the only way the only way i would have gone against this strategy is if i would have paired one of these picks here to move up to get

colson loveland or right tyler war I agree. That's a good call out. Which I like that strategy a lot. Quick question while I have you here. Because of the down year, are you that low on Luke Lachey? Yeah. That's really low. I'm surprised to see. I know they can't pass the ball.

That's not his fault. No, it's true. He's just been so low impact for me. But when we go through final film evals, I'll have a chance to really sit down and watch full, multiple full games of these guys. So I think him and Ferguson as well. I've been a little bit more impressed with certainly. I like Ferguson a lot this summer.

I was very impressed with him. And I think he's had a good year for a great team. I think we go Eli Stowers or Harold Fannin Jr. here at tight end. So here's what this comes down to to me. If you're trying to replace Evan Ingram, you take Fannin Jr. But if you want to play with a real tight end in the offense, then you don't.

Now, you could do both. So if you're trying to replace Ingram, I think you take Fannin. Let's take Fannin. What do we think Fannin is? Like 230? Yes. Yo, they list them 230, so maybe not even. fanon let's say fanon because we take what like what do we think fanon is like 230 yes yo they list them 230 so maybe not even yeah he's that lower than 230 though no because because they still play him in line like his his blocking stuff still isn't bad look run blocking great i mean like that stuff it's isaiah likely ish likely was like that coming out yeah are you

watching playing like how the hell does this guy ever block i mean i did i i think isaiah likely Like that stuff, it's so not bad. Likely was like that coming out. Yeah. Or you watch him play and you're like, how the hell does this guy ever block? I did. I think Isaiah Likely is more fluid in how he moves than Harold Fannin Jr. I agree. Likely, it was a very good prospect. Just so we want to try to be better at this for people who are just kind of like getting into draft season,

tuning into the podcast for the first time. Harold Fannin Jr. is the tight end at Bowling Green. He's the most productive tight end in the country this year. He has a 96.1 receiving grade. Just a phenomenal, phenomenal season. He got snubbed for awards, in my opinion. Should have been able to take home multiple awards this year. But with Evan Ingram out and us getting some extra free agency money,

I'm going to draft Harold Fannin Jr. for us here. Okay, yeah, talking about. Which brings us to the bottom of the third round, close to the bottom of the third round, pick number 92. Can we look at the running backs? Sure. They did just draft Tank Bigsby, though. They did.

Who's fine? I like Basial Tootin'. I know, he's had a good year. He's had a really good year. He's not a senior ball, I believe. Dude, he is my type of running back. He just will make you miss. He's got a senior ball, I believe. Dude, he is my type of running back. He just will make you miss. He's got great one-cut ability.

Him and Taj Brooks are going to be my guys in this class. I would take Mnungai here, but maybe they feel like Tank is a similar player. I don't think they'd take running back in the third round. You know ETN's last year of his deal is next year with the fifth year option and he has been a he has been hurt a lot yeah you're right i think it's a sneakier need for them at 92 not in the top 70 damn a good wide receiver board i like the idea of hitting wide receiver to be honest with you

i'll say it right now jayden higgins is going a lot higher than people think man i think he's going 92 because if he is we can take him right here sure so that would give us brian thomas jr jayden higgins travis hunter parker washington gabe davis which is how it Davis. Which is how Higgins plays a plenty of power slot for Iowa State. He also plays on the outside even more, but he plays both inside and outside. Yep. I got to watch his teammate, who I've seen a little bit of this year. Jalen Noel is good.

Noel looks really good from afar. All right, let's take Higgins. Higgins is good. From afar. All right, let's take Higgins. Higgins is a damn good player. All right, let's take Higgins. Take Higgins here, 92. So now we're back-to-back, top of the fourth round, because nuts. Love this for us, because of the Raiders trade, getting the Raiders' fourth-round pick.

So, okay, now I'm cool with Mnangai. If you want to take Mnangai. I would take Mnangai. Okay, let's take him with one of these picks, uh rutgers running back um who's had a pretty good season not as good of a year last year as last year man this one's true dealer's choice i think yeah you really could do just about anything you know what's a sneaky one here this might be the spot to even think about taking a developmental backup quarterback um i'd take a tackle honestly you would take a uh often like a left an offensive tackle yeah yeah let's just do it man i like the oregon guys and chase lund who would probably profile as a backup for Walker Little.

I like Brandon Cranstraw Dixon, who just got – I need to catch up on him. He accepted an invite to the East-West Shrine Bowl, so I'm excited to see him. Josh Connolly's been playing great as of late. It's going to be fun to watch him in the College Bowl playoff getting to go up against really good competition because you see him against Michigan. His two lowest his two lowest graded games were against michigan ohio state's two best competition i know connor lee's i'm all over the place on him because

i watched him over summer from a tools perspective and i had him as tackle four i was like i was like a lot of people wasn't that okay i didn know that. And then you're right though. Like there are just times where I always want more. There are, there are people who have Josh Connerly as like a fringe first round prospect. I mean, tools wise, like I totally get it. I don't think he will end up going there, but no, I, this summer,

I was like, this is the guy that's going to. Has a chance to make the leave. Emery Jones. We've talked about a lot from LSU. Tackle that really just – hey, man, we said it over summer. Like, he just looks like – plays like a guard. Probably a guard. Lunt's a senior bowl guy.

He'll be very interesting from UConn. I would be okay with both Jack Nelson or Chase Lunt here. I guess Ajene Cornelius. Honestly, though, going by my board like i got brennan crenshaw dixon up here i should need cornelius um and then emory jones chase one jack nelson i don't know how you feel about any of those guys but i'd take a tackle here just to make sure i would take connerly because he has the best tools well let's say that connerly yeah that's fair let's let's i'm lower on him just to be transparent with everybody the way

the mds works is like right now it's just my board but once we get into more consensus stuff about what we think will happen I can adjust it so the board is sort of operating under what we think is going to happen not just my rankings this year we're able to do that and so it's going to work a lot more smoothly for you I'm excited to kind of roll that out but we can we can say that Connerly is going to be off the board because it does feel like that's fair the nfl or just people in the nfl are going to draft him higher than what i have him ranked in this class so any of the other guys stand out so i full transparency i need to watch more crenshaw dixon but i would take lunt here because i just i just think he fits the type you want behind walker little he's very solid of a player. 6'8", 305.

He's huge. I'm telling you. I'm not the same player, but it's a similar pathway. Big guy, moves well. That would probably be my thought. I'm not thinking Emery Jones here because we already took our interior player. We did. We did.

We did. We did. I'm going to watch more of Membao, too, who I know you've talked up on. Yeah. I wonder if he is a guard as well he's having a really good year um six foot three though i don't i don't know if he's already measures in that i don't think he'll be a tackle at the nfl level so i would go i would go with chase lund or uh brandon crenshaw dixon in my opinion there's some giants

in this class yeah i mean six seven have you seen holland pier Pierce for Rutgers yet? The tackle for them? Yeah, this dude right here. 6'8", 344. He's the biggest human every game. It's hilarious to watch that side of the line for Rutgers fold people. Jack Nelson's pretty big too. 6'7", as well. Got a lot of big height.

Yeah, Jack. He's a very not slender. That's not the word I'm looking for. Just very lengthy kind of guy. Not like beefy. All right. He's got a lot of football for Wisconsin. Shout out the senior bowl.

We'll take Chase Lund here. Cool. And then we got one more pick. Oh my God. One 29. Okay. I mean, can we stash Harold Perkins?

Just have fun. No way, right? Like he's got to go earlier. Or no, can we stash Harold Perkins? Just have fun? No way, right? Like he's got to go earlier or not. Does he? I don't think so. We don't know what position he plays and he's hurt. Yeah, I know. I know.

I'm taking here. Can we look at the situational pass rushers on the board? Just a rotational guy. Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, that could be Harold Perkins. Oh, Mikhail Kamara on indiana is freaking awesome fun he's been kicking ass for that defense all year like absolute great motor

good size profile good hands he's 6'1 260 ish the the only thing is that he's just short and he's limited with length oh yeah, yeah. No, that's why he's available. That's why we can get him at 129 instead of taking him top 100. He's put on the field on passing downs and let the guy pin his ears back and roll. R. Mason Thomas is the same way. I view

these guys exactly the same. And this is close to where they will go. We'll go with Mikael Kamara from Indiana. That's a fun one. All right,ara from Indiana. That's a fun one. All right, there we go. That's a draft. Massive draft here. We're not going to grade well because we quote-unquote reached on some of these players.

C-plus is good for the Mike McCarthy and the PFF basement grade. He does the grades for these. He does all of them. Well, he did. Then he got the Cowboys job. Then he got the Cowboys gig. He does all of them. Yeah. He did. He, then he got the Cowboys and then he got the Cowboys gig. Right. But he used to, he used to get,

you do a mock draft on the simulator and Mike McCarthy would give you a grade. He just sits there all day and all night. No matter what time you're on, he punches back a grade. So after this draft, what we're looking at with the, with the depth chart,

it is Trevor Lawrence at quarterback. It is Travis Etienne, Tank Bigsby, and Kyle Madunga at running back. It is Harold Fannin Jr. and Brandon Strange at tight end. It's Walker Little and Anton Harrison at offensive tackle, but we also have Chase Lunt now at offensive tackle in reserve.

With free agency, we have James Daniel, Mitch Morse, Ezra Cleveland, and now Greg Zabel to throw into the mix. Oh, as well as Tevin Jenkins, too. So that's our interior offensive line. And then a wide receiver, it is Travis Hunter, it's Brian Thomas Jr., Parker Washington, Gabe Davis,

Jaden Higgins on the defensive side of things, Trayvon Walker, Josh Hines-Allen. And then we added Mikkel Kamara as sort of that situational pass rusher player on the interior. It's Arik Armstead. It's Davon Hamilton. Now it's TJ Sanders as well, who we drafted in the second round.

At the linebacker level, it's basically, you know, Devin Lloyd, Foye Sayluokan, Chad Mumma. And then a corner, Travis Hunter can be some sort of a corner there for you, but it's one of Charverius Ward or DJ Reed. It's Tyson Kim on the other side. It is Ronald Darby in reserve. We've got Jerry and Jones starting at the nickel spot,

and then it's Darnell Savage and Andre Sisko at safety. Brother, I love it. A lot of fun. It's fun to do a draft of this volume. Yes, this is a lot of fun. We would love to hear from you guys. Let us know what you thought of our overall strategy, what we talked about with the Jacksonville Jaguars, how we think that they could be better moving forward, whether you think this is the off season to do it. Give us your head coach candidate that you would love to see general manager. If you would love to see Trent Balky gone, tell us your free agency strategy. If we got rid of some guys that you say, we absolutely got to keep. We'd love to hear from you and then talk to us

about your draft strategy. Who you'd be taking at number one overall. If you'd be trading down, you can give us a mini mock draft too. We'd love to hear your best way to do that. YouTube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. You can also hit us up on Instagram and Twitter at Tampa Bay Trey at Connor J. Rogers. We will have another Fix Your Franchise for you next Monday.

But then just to give you guys a heads up, next Thursday is when we will begin early positional grades. So it's when we really take a look at, now that the regular season is done in college football and championship weekend will be done, we will be into bowl season. We'll be able to give you those early grades and those early rankings for a lot of positions. Next Thursday, we are starting with wide receiver. And then the next week, we will

probably do one more fixture franchise and then get into more positional rankings. And then we'll start to double up. We'll get to two positional rankings, early positional rankings every single week. And we'll probably do that as well as, you know, throw a mock draft in there at some point up until all-star weekend. So we're going to run through a ton of positions as many positions as we can before we get into you know the senior bowl the shrine bowl all that good stuff connor got anything else before we get out of here no ton of fun with this team because obviously another one that falls into the bracket of they have talent they have an owner that in theory can financially turn things around they got to get the hires right and they got to draft right,

which is often the case when turning around a football team. But sometimes the very cut and dried rebuilds are the best ones. This is a ton of fun. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. Jags fans, we hope that the wait was worth it. Thank you guys so much for watching

and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. We'll see you guys next week. Thank you.