NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 291. Fix Your Franchise: Tennessee Titans

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

0:00 - Intro 2:50 - Draft order breakdown 5:50 - Year one of Callahan 12:00 - How we got here 39:15 - Coaching staff overview 42:40 - Roster overview 47:50 - Free agency overview 1:08:00 - 3-round mock draft

Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, we are fixing the Tennessee Titans. We talk about how this organization got here with the fall from grace from the John Robinson and Mike Fribble era, all the way to what we think about Brian Callahan and Rand Carthen and currently where the team is. We give you a roster overview. We talk about a free agency budget and spending plan,

a three-round mock, and even explore a quarterback trade that could save everything for this team. I'm Trevor Sykema. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. I'm Trevor Sykema. That is Connor Rogers. Another fixtureise episode of the channel. Today, we are talking about the Tennessee Titans. We are rebuilding and fixing the Tennessee Titans. I feel like it's been a long time coming.

I feel like Titans fans have been asking us in the comments and on social media for a while to dig into this Tennessee team and ask us how we would solve things and how we would move forward with a team that has been under a lot more chaos and uncertainty than I felt like was going to be the case. Even like two years ago, I felt like, oh yeah, Mike Vrabel's got things under control.

We're good to go. All right. John Robinson's fire. That's a little weird. All right. Mike Vrabel's fire. That's a little weird. And it's just like all of a sudden things changed very,

very quickly for the Tennessee Titans. And it hasn't yielded great results so far, but that doesn't mean we can't get them on a right path. Connor, how we doing, my friend? I'm good, man. And we're getting to the end of it here with Fix Your Franchise, and the draft order is kind of this windy road at the moment where we don't know where it's going to go.

I'm sure when we have the solidified order, we'll do a specific draft order episode because some weeks we're fixing a team, and they're picking number one or number seven and then it's all over the place. This is going to be one of the better tank wars we've seen down the stretch with this draft order. But it's appropriate time to fix the Titans

as they come off a situation where it felt like there was some progress going on there. And when you lose a game to the Mac Jones-led Jacksonville Jaguars at home 10 to 6 god it just feels like all that progress comes to a screeching halt even if it was minor to uh to be totally transparent with the good people we were gonna do carolina today right we had different plans that's how bad this loss was. It changed the schedule. Yeah, right. And then the Titans lost to the Jags,

and we're like, God, that's tough. And, you know, Carolina looks competitive, spunky, so we're not sure exactly where they're going to be in the draft order. But, dude, before we dive into this, you're right. It is a tank fest right now. I mean, I think Cincinnati, we're recording this Monday afternoon, I think Cincinnati beats the Dallas Cowboys, but if they don't, then they go to four and nine on the season.

That means there will be 10 teams in the NFL with four wins or less. That's not, I mean, they're, when you are bad in this league this year, you are bad. We have two teams with two wins. We have six teams with three wins and then we would have two teams with four wins. And it doesn't look like it's going to get any prettier for Chicago.

So it looks like Chicago is still going to be in the mix for a top 10 pick. So man, sometimes you could have like the number eight overall pick and you could have like five, six, maybe seven wins and still pick in the top 10, although seven's pick and you could have like five, six, maybe seven wins and still pick in the top 10 of those sevens a lot. But like six wins, dude, if you got six wins, you're picking 14th right now.

You're not even close. It's crazy. Like there are so the contrast than just the giant spectrum in the NFL right now of bad and good teams. I mean, you blink and you're like, wait a second, the Vikings have won 11 games, the Steelers have won 10 games. And I'm not saying that to insult them.

I'm saying it to show that they're good teams, but there are just so many non-competitive teams. We didn't expect the league to be this top heavy in this bottom that's what that's what it is the difference there's just not a lot of middle of the pack teams no I mean when you think of the middle of the pack teams it's like the Bucks Arizona's kind of played like a middle of the pack team I know the Rams are seven and six right now I think the Rams can genuinely win 10 games this season yeah but they're still like a middle of the package team you know yeah they are but man it's yeah it's crazy but dude even even like denver and the chargers i'm not trying to take anything away from these teams their fan

bases to me those are what's supposed to be that they look like a middle of the package team which again i'm not saying is an insult at all whatsoever but instead both of those teams have eight and five records i think it's because right there's so many teams that are so bad it's it's it is it's weird and the titans right now they're currently picking sixth overall if the draft were to end this weekend they would be picking six overall they are three and 10 on the season. They have a 509 strength to schedule, which isn't too high. I mean, you're still in the conversation

for maybe being able to win a couple of those tiebreakers. In fact, they're right in the middle of where New England, Carolina, and Jacksonville, they're all three and 10 as well. So they're picking ahead of Tennessee, but then you've got the Jets and the Cleveland Browns who are below them at the same record. So you can see their strength to schedules like kind of right in the middle.

So they could win some tiebreakers if they end up tying with the same record as some of these poor teams. But man, it's just just a sort of I kind of want to hear from you and just an overview a little bit of what you thought of the Titans. It's Brian Callahan's first year as the head coach there. A lot of changes have happened on this team and we're going to dive into a lot of how the Tennessee Titans got here even beyond just necessarily this season but what set up this season you know the John Robinson how he was there and then suddenly he was not and then Mike Vrabel how he had them rolling then suddenly he was not so we're going to dig into all that. But just overall, your thoughts on Tennessee. Are you encouraged by Brian Callahan? Because when we did Frick's Shift Franchise last year,

I remember you bringing up Callahan a couple of times as some candidates for head coaching gigs that might be open around the NFL. And now, obviously, he gets this one. And it's not an ideal roster situation. We'll dig into that, but just overall thoughts about sort of where this team's at. Obviously they weren't expected to be, you know, a competitive, or should I say competitive, but a contending team this year,

obviously they were going to come into the year with a low win total. And I think still expectations while they were low it's been really disappointing as they sit here with three wins because a lot of this season was about the development of Will Levis and that has been a lot more down than up it feels like and when you look at this Titans team that sits here with three wins they've also had four games where they've lost one score losses, right? You know, the open things up against Chicago. You lose by a touchdown. Levis kind of put that one on a platter.

You lose to the Jets in week two. Same score, 24-17. You lose. Levis put that one on a platter. And then you look at some other ones. The really disappointing loss last weekend at Jacksonville, which was 6-10. I mean, I'm not saying here and saying, oh, Tennessee should actually be a seven win team instead of a three win team but you wanted to see significant progress from the quarterback

in a better system with more talent and I think Levis has had his moments overall but I think at the end of the day there's a reason why he was so raw coming out of college and why there were question marks about his decision making and I think that's a lot on Brian Callahan's plate and it's tough to sit here and judge the Callahans where we know his dad is one of the best offensive line coaches and run game you know architects in the entire league until we probably see them with their own quarterback or or competent competence at the quarterback position so I think that's what's tough with the Titans I think there's promising aspects of this team especially their interior defensive front when you put Devandre Sweat next to Jeffrey Simmons there's been a lot of bright

moments there but this and there's been flashes of the run game with Tony Pollard and obviously this offensive line that's added a lot of had a youth infusion over the years. But I just think you're not going to see the results you want from an offensive minded coach when you just don't have the horses and the Titans when you watch them right now. They just don't have the horses, whether it is ball security or whether it is rounding out right. Tackle has been an absolute black hole for this team this year. It is sinking sometimes the entire offensive game plans coming into the week where it's hard to really figure out how they performed when you have that kind of roster issues on offense. And fortunately they're going to be given the time to fix that. And that's a lot of our job today, but I found them very difficult to judge.

I think the defense was really scrappy for much of this season, but the actual offensive identity, which they want to be run heavy with the Callahan's there, you would think it's just hard to actually develop with what they have. Yeah. Yeah. And Jonathan Dalton, Washington,

who, who found this stat when we were doing the, the PFF NFL show, the Titans started this game against the Jags with eight runs and a screen pass. They didn't even give Will Levis the chance to throw the football on the opening drive. They had no desire to do it.

Right. Levis also had one of his lowest average at the target throws this week. And if you listen to the press conference after the game, where Brian Callahan is sort of like giving his like opening remarks. And he's like, Hey, a lot of positive things in this game. It's like,

damn, really? I mean, you are that defeated. And I feel like he is just looking to next year at this point. He's had some Brian Dable moments that he, I get it, man.

But what do you mean? Where like, he's blown up on Levis and like the camera literally catches him. But, but that But what do you mean? Where, like, he's blown up on Levis, and, like, the camera literally catches him. But that's what I'm saying. You're that passionate in those moments that we've seen on camera, and you just lost at home 10-6 to the Jags, and you're going to get up there and be like, hey, you know what?

A lot of positive things from this game that we could take away. I mean, you mentioned, like, special teams, like not letting the Jags start before the 30 yard line or something i don't remember exactly what it was but it's like dude this is a defeated but why is he doing press conference yeah he's doing that to deflect from the quarterback situation the offense which i don't want to make this this is all will levis's fault don't get me wrong he's part of the problem but he's doing that to take away attention from that side of the ball because he doesn't want to throw a young player consistently under the bus that's already had everything rolled over him.

But he knows, Trevor. He knows they don't have what they need on offense right now to do what they want to do. This is a guy that came from Cincinnati. I mean, imagine being in the game planning meetings every week, and it's like, yeah, we got Joe Burr, OT, Higgins, Jamar Chase. They had Joe Mixon when he was like. It's a different sport for him right now. Yep, yep. of let's talk about how we got to this point because again it

felt like very defeated for Brian Callahan and it's hard to totally judge him on this year especially when this is not necessarily the quarterback that he would have handpicked there were times throughout this year where I went okay I can see a little bit of it here with Levis, but this past week, again, the game plan spoke volumes of how much, in my opinion, he does not trust Will Levis. So I think we can operate under the assumption that they are going to have a different quarterback next season. I thought that Will Levis could have been that guy. I don't really think that anymore. So we're going to sort of move forward. At least I'm going to move forward as I sort of give my suggestions of what to do with this team

and talk about what they could do at quarterback moving forward. Let's talk about how we got here, though, just as an overall. I mentioned 3-10 so far this season. They were 6-11 last year in 2023. That was the last year of Mike Vrabel, and it was the rookie season of Will Levis, of course. They were 7-10 the year before. Two sort of disappointing seasons, especially when you look at the years that they had prior.

12-5 in 2021, getting to the divisional round. 11-5, getting to the wildcard round in 2020. 9-7 was that year that they made it into the playoffs as a wildcard. Took down the Patriots, made it to the conference championship. That was Vrabel's second season as a head coach. And, man, when you look at that in reverse, it's like, wow, Vrabel's second year, you're a Cinderella team. The next two years, you're winning double-digit games.

Yeah, okay, it's a couple of disappointing seasons after that with some uncertainty at the quarterback position and not really knowing what to do there. But you felt like you had the right head coach, somebody who was able to really put the organization in a great direction, had a lot of good chemistry with the general manager, John Robinson. At least it seemed like that was the case. They were putting together some really good teams.

And I think John Robinson's actually where you need to start this story. And, you know, I think their owner, Amy Adams Strunk, is a big part of this whole story. And I'll mention her name a couple of times sort of as you go through this. But John Robinson, all right? General manager from the Titans. Started in 2016. Was general manager from 2016 all the way through 2022.

The Titans, again, it's not that they handled everything perfectly. And I'll get to some imperfections of John Robinson in a second. But to build a team with your head coach now and have what looked like some great continuity to win double-digit games and be a consistent playoff team and be a team that we talked about this when we have offered up Mike Vrabel as a coaching candidate to other organizations, somebody who constantly was getting the most out of his players. It was very shocking that they fired John Robinson in 2022 the way that they did

I will add this it was like six months after an extension I believe they'd given John Robinson an extension earlier that season and then there were some frustrations you have the A.J. Brown trade A.J. Brown ends up you know going off against them when they meet in the regular season later that season and I know that that didn't't really leave a good taste in their mouth. And then it's like, okay, well, he's out of there. And you go, whoa, whoa, whoa. If John Robinson can get canned like that in 2022, after the run that they were having,

you got to think of some other GMs that might be on the hot seat. So when you look at it from a larger point of view, you go, okay, well, that was a shock. But when you look into it a a larger point of view you go okay well that was a shock but when you look into it a little bit further connor they didn't exactly have super successful drafts with john robinson especially from the first round you get jack conklin in the first round in 2016 that's his first draft pick okay jack conklin, good player, but didn't end up signing him to a second contract.

So he's not with the team for the second contract. You go to the next year, 2017, Corey Davis, draft him at number five overall. Good player, but not worth number five overall. Adoree Jackson, you get him in the second round as well. Neither of those guys are signed to second contracts. Rashawn Evans is in the first round in 2018. You don't sign him to a second contract.

In fact, you've got to get all the way to 2019 when he drafted Jeffrey Simmons in the first round to get to a player that they picked up the fifth-year option on and signed him to a second contract. Obviously, you've got A.J. Brown in the second round as well. So that is his best draft of hitting those two guys and, honestly, Amani Hooker as well, getting him in the fourth round. David Long's had some good years around the league as well. So 2019, I think, was John Robinson's best year as a general manager. But dude, then you get Isaiah Wilson in the first round.

Terrible first round pick. I mean, that was a disaster class. Absolute disaster. Caleb Farley in the first round the next year in 2021 did not pan out the way they needed him to. 2022, you trade and you get a first round pick that you get for A.J. Brown. You draft Traylon Burks. He doesn't work out.

Nicholas Petit-Ferrer in the third round, he sure has started for you, but he has not worked out as a starting caliber right tackle. Dylan Radins is a free agent this upcoming season. They're likely not going to bring him back. You've got some sprinkles in there, like Elijah Molden in the third round. I like him, obviously. We talked about that 2019 class. You got some sprinkles in there like Elijah Molden in the third round I like him obviously we talked about that 2019 class you got Harold Landry in 2018 so that is somebody who

obviously signed a second uh contract here with the team but overall you just look at you look at a lot of his draft I mean they drafted Derrick Henry in the second round in 2016 so I get yeah I gotta give him I gotta give him some credit there too Kevin Byard in the third round in 2016. So I got to give him some credit there too. Kevin Byard in the third round. So those are guys that I wanted to make sure I shouted out. But when you have such a failure rate to retain your first round picks, not only like was it okay, they didn't, there were some guys that they just straight up

didn't hit in the first round, which there's no excuse for. And then you had guys like kind of hit in the first round, but they're not good enough to gain second contracts. Even that's a failure at the rate in which John Robinson was missing on these players. And of course, when you go from Isaiah Wilson to Caleb Farley to Traylon Burks, I kind of get it. It was shocking when it happened that they got rid of John Robinson because of how much success the Titans had had recently,

as early as the year before when they went 12-5. But when you were able to take a step back and look at his draft history there, I understand a little bit more when you compile that with the A.J. Brown trade and that being very frustrating, watching that player go out of the building and then drafting a player in Traylon Burks who didn't

work out for them at that point when they fired him and has not worked out for them since then. Right. It's tricky, right? Because like a diehard scout, which is what he is, they had some hits all over the place. You bring up 2016, you get Derrick Henry and Kevin Bayard, right? Which is really important here. But you can't miss that poorly on your high-end first-round picks the way they did in some cases. You just can't. Like the Isaiah Wilson pick, you didn't even get a player that contributed to anything.

No. Disaster. You look at even like the third round that year, Darrington Evans. You take Darrington Evans with a top 100 pick. You got nothing out of him. And I'm using these guys as, you know, cherry picking examples, but there's millions. Caleb Farley, the health concerns were well known.

Right, right. And it didn't work. And you missed. And I will be completely transparent. I loved Caleb Farley. Like I thought Caleb Farley could be a stud when he was fully healthy, but he's not somebody who's been able to become that player at the NFL level.

And that's something that you really have to weigh when you are actually making these decisions for franchises. Is this guy going to have the longevity? Is he going to be healthy enough to help you out? And they took a gamble on Farley. And sometimes you take a gamble on those guys and it works out for you, but it clearly did not with him and unfortunately for him farley was sandwiched in between two guys that absolutely had not worked out for them in trailing burks and like you mentioned isaiah

wilson and then obviously you know you combine that with the aj brown trade and it's just like god damn every gm misses yeah it's gonna happen but how you recover from it especially outside of round one right like like gms miss a lot outside of round one but you can't really have the low retention rate that john robinson had from his first round picks from 2016 to 2022 i mean that was that's just it's you signed what one player to a second contract out of the first round in your, what's that, six drafts that you had? Now there are a couple of players that you're getting to second contracts again

in like day two and day three, but first round, you gotta be able to get a lot more guys to second contracts than just one in Jeffrey Simmons. So the hit rate was not what it needed to be with John Robinson, which I think needs to be said amongst the shock of when he, when he was released,

how soon it was coming off of some really good years for the Titans. You look back on it and you go, okay, well, that was sort of going in the wrong direction anyways, and they might've just been getting ahead of it. And then it brings you to, you want to talk about a guy they hit on and AJ.J. Brown and they didn't pay A.J. Brown yeah they they kind of tried to go the Vikings route uh where they traded Diggs and drafted Justin Jefferson now that's there's not going to be a lot of examples like that in NFL history but the Vikings did it they

traded Stephon Diggs who was a really good player for the Buffalo Bills for a long time after that trade but the Vikings drafted Justin Jefferson who's the best receiver in football so Traylon Burks was a player that I saw a lot of the great traits in but there was also an aspect of you know there was reasons why Traylon Burks wasn't the top receiver in his draft in that draft class because there were concerns raw concerns limited or out tree right yep go on go on keep going no it's just that's and there's gonna there's a lot of combo around you know why AJ Brown was was traded and they ultimately chose not to pay him and he I know he spoke about how you know he wanted to stay wanted to be paid and all that's like a long windy road of different perspectives but at the end of the

day the organization moved on from aj brown and it was basically like blowing themselves up at that point once that happened and i think mike grable knew it they completely went in the in the tank after that not on purpose like they thought like well we're not gonna have to pay this guy we'll get a replacement and everything trickled down poorly from that moment on yeah with those three drafts his last three drafts 2020 2021 and 2022 you just see a i think just a scouting failure and and again look robinson worked with jason light and his staff in in tampa bay like and and he was a general manager in this league. I'm not trying to just be somebody who is, you know,

taking shots at a guy when he was the one who had to make decisions and I've never had to be in a GM chair. I'm not trying to do that. But 2020 was Isaiah Wilson who was terrible for you. I mean, you moved on from him about as quickly as you can move on from a first round pick. You mentioned not getting anything from Darrington Evans. You had Christian Fulton,

you know, he's kind of hurting in and out of the lineup. Obviously he doesn't even play for the Titans anymore. That's a scouting failure. That draft the next year, Caleb Farley. Okay. You take a risk on a guy,

but he's got an injury history. It doesn't really work out for you. You drafted Monty Rice. You overdrafted Monty Rice in the third round. You got Elijah Molden, who I like, but then it was, you know, Dennis Fitzpatrick, Rashad Weaver. Like that to me, you got Dylan Radinson.

Like Dylan Radinson has been a starting guard for you, but I think they're probably going to let him walk this season and maybe try to upgrade that side of the right side of the offensive line. So like Molden, I think is a good player, but now again, he's not even playing for you he's playing for the chargers now so the 20 there's a lot of those on these drafts also a failure of a scouting process then you get to 2022 trailing burks who you traded the first

round pick to get as your brown now you're drafting this wide receiver a failure of a scout with with how well he worked out and how well I should say, lack of working out Nicholas to pretty for air in the third round. Now he's a third round. I'm not going to be too hard on him. He's starting to write tackle, but he's struggling. He get us on Askins.

She can conquer. It's been nice for you at tight end, but we're going to talk about tight end. And I think that's an area where they can really upgrade Malik. Willis didn't work out for them, worked out for the Packers. So like maybe John Robinson was right all along. I don't know, but you got Roger McCreary in that draft as well. Who's like a rotational kind't work out for them. Worked out for the Packers. So like maybe John Robinson was right all along. I don't know.

But you got Roger McCreary in that draft as well, who's like a rotational kind of a corner for you. But again, second round, I'm not going to be too harsh on you. When you combine 2020 through 2022, it just looks like a sort of scouting philosophy failure of how they approached a lot of those picks, including the most important ones. Well, you've been consistent with the theme of even guys they drafted and felt good about,

right? Or at least the outside world felt good about. A.J. Brown's the pinnacle example, but you brought up Jack Conklin. Adoree Jackson's kind of had a weird career, but I guess he falls into that bucket a little bit as well as, you know, Corey Davis. But, you know, once again, they're not the example that a guy like A.J. Brown is where does you know John Robinson get his scouting roots New England started as an era scout New England in 2002 he worked for New England for a long time he worked for New England for a decade he worked his way from area scout regional scout

an assistant director of college scouting and then director of college scouting before he got a big promotion by going over to the Buccaneers where he was their dpp their director of player personnel for three years and then he gets the titans job i'm not accusing him of this but when you just know a guy's background the new england patriots are or one of those organizations when he was there i don't know if they're like this anymore when he was there that yeah you draft a guy you develop him you like him you i don't want to say low ball him but you don't go crazy to retain someone hey if you want to be here for this system and the patriot way and this way then yeah but we're not going to go above and beyond necessarily and

overpay in our eyes to keep you he did that with a couple of guys that he drafted that he should have kept so i just wonder if it was in his d, if it's yet another failed story of the Patriot way, not translating outside of New England. Could be, could be. Or at least played a part in some of the mistakes. Yeah, and obviously like, we don't want to look to hindsight with it, but I mean, you-

That's how we got here. Right, you do have to look at successes and failures. And I think that's a really good point that you bring up. So that brings us into the Rand Carthair. So John Robinson's out middle of the season. The owner, Amy Adams drunk, is now in charge of, you know, hiring the new general manager. But at the same time, like you're trying to work with Mike Vrabel as well. And this is where things really, at least from reports that we have read this is where things started to really sour with Vrabel like clearly um Amy Adams Strunk was not happy with how John Robinson was handling the team and then of course the the AJ Brown trade as well which is I I would think the straw that broke the camel's back but there's a lot more than just that trade so she ends up firing him pretty early to get a start on that GM search.

But as what I have read, what I had read at the time and read again, when I was preparing for this podcast is it felt like they were butting heads everywhere. Vrabel and, and Adam Strunk. Rand Carthen was Adam Strunk's candidate basically the whole time. She wanted to hire Adam Strunk and Vrabel did not.

And he wanted control over the roster. He wanted a, he wanted, oh man, who was it? It was their Ryan Cowden, who was the Titans vice president of player personnel at the time. So Rand Carleton, remember, he would have been coming over from the San Francisco 49ers. So Vrabel would have had never worked with him before rabel actually wanted somebody in-house to get elevated to gm because rabel wanted more control over everything that was going on with

the roster remember there was the viral clip of rabel looking absolutely pissed off in the war room when aj bray when aj brown got traded and I'm sure that he didn't want that to happen again. So Vrabel didn't want somebody new. Vrabel wanted somebody in the building that he already knew that he had worked with, that he knew he was going to have good chemistry with, and that was Ryan Cowden was his choice. And Adam Strunk did not want Ryan Cowden to get that GM title.

She wanted to go outside of the building. She wanted to hire Rand Carthen, and that is what happened. That was the beginning of the end. And that is what happened. And apparently, quote, again, this is from an article from The Athletic, Strunk did not take kindly to this suggestion, and the team source believed that her and Vrabel's relationship took a big hit as a result.

Strunk very much disagreed about Vrabel's relationship took a big hit as a result uh Strunk very much disagreed about Vrabel getting control over the team and I think that that was that was sort of the beginning of the changes and then you had the incident where do you remember this Vrabel on the Titans bye week in October of that year he goes to New England to get inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame and in a speech that he had he said quote I don't want you now he's talking to to New England to get inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame. And in a speech that he had, he said, quote, I don't want you. He's talking to the New England Patriots fans, right? He says, I don't want you to take this organization for granted. I've been to a lot of places.

This is a special place with great leadership, great fans, great direction, great coaching. Enjoy it. It's not like this everywhere. Then he got back to Nashville and apparently his comments were sort of addressed and he was like brought in a room to say like, Hey, what did you mean about these comments? Were you talking about us? And he said, and he,

the report is that he said back to him the Patriots won six Superbowls in 20 years. That's what I was talking about. I don't know what to tell you. They've had a lot of success. And apparently again, this is an article from the athletic, the whole quote, the whole event did not sit well with Strunk. And apparently they never talked about it, but she let it fester. She really get to her. She was triggered by this.

She was very, and it was just compounded things against Mike Vrabel, and that goes into it. And then when they ultimately moved on from Mike Vrabel and that goes into it and then when they ultimately moved on from Mike Vrabel Rand Carthen said quote decision was all hers had no input he wasn't even in the room the new general manager wasn't even in the room when they fired Mike Vrabel I guess it was a two-minute meeting between him and the owner and I think there were like two other people that were there and they were just like, Mike, you've been fired. And Mike probably went, okay, all right,

we done here. And she went, yep. And he got up and he walked out. And that is how things got South so quickly with an organization that again, I think back to that 2019 season, the year after it, that 2020 year, the Titans were the, the Titans were that team. You know, we thought about like with the Pittsburgh Steelers over the last couple of years, we go, okay, this is it, right? I mean, like they're not going to be 500. They're not going to be a powerhouse. They're not going to make the playoffs. I felt like that about the Titans in 2019 and 2020 and even 2021. And they continue to prove me wrong because of how good of a coach Frabel was

and how much they got out of that roster that they had. Very much like I think that Mike Tomlin has done with the Pittsburgh Steelers in some years, this year included with how incredible that team is playing. And that is how it went from that. Yep, nosedived. Absolutely nosedived to the point where now we're sort of picking up the pieces

still even with brian cowan as their head coach there's so much to unpack with how this ended here i think at the end of the day what you can confidently say is the titans let a really good coach while they chose to have him walk out the door or they walked him out the door and good coaches in the nfl are really hard to in the NFL are really hard to find and replace. Really hard to find and replace. Sometimes they're taken for granted. We've heard it over the years. I mean, there was a time where John Harbaugh was,

there was rumors around him, like, will this be the end of his time with the Ravens many years ago? Mike Tomlin, God forbid Mike Tomlin doesn't have the season that every Steeler fan hopes for. You hear things around Mike Tomlin, like,, Mike Tomlin doesn't have the season that every Steeler fan hopes for. You hear things around Mike Tomlin, like, and they're great coaches. But at the end of the day, those organizations that don't love change stick with those guys. And I, Trevor, thought for the longest time that Mike Vrabel was going to be one of those guys. He's just going to coach for the Titans for 12 plus years because, hey, they're a smaller market team.

And he's a hell of a coach and he gets the most out of his players and he seemed to know how to manage things in game and he's intense during camp and practices and this guy just gets it and obviously there was the rift cowden aspect of it's interesting because cowden in the scouting community at that time i remember had a lot of helium right like people were really high on him for the future you like the helium drop yeah not hopium yeah hopium or helium which one a little bit of both and so when they fire robinson he was the interim gm for you know two months or whatever it was but there was a relationship there and i'm sure adam strunk

looked at it and said i just didn't work with robinson i don't want a guy that's been here yeah he didn't want the boys club thing she didn't want that she want and i respect that but that was the beginning of the end right there so you bring in ran who i have no idea the relationship between vrabel and ran and i'm not going to pretend to try to guess but at the end of the day ran was brought in to do his job with no relationship with Vrabel and Ran, and I'm not going to pretend to try to guess. But at the end of the day, Ran was brought in to do his job with no relationship with Vrabel. Vrabel still wanted to do his. Vrabel's already pissed, clearly, about how everything's going. And she basically had to make a decision. And she made her decision. I remember a lot of people were surprised that they didn't just trade Vrabel because he's such a, you know, wanted commodity.

And then it felt like it was a quiet year for him. He didn't get a head coaching job right away, and he went on the Browns staff as an assistant. Now Vrabel's going to be probably the most desired head coach in the NFL, I think, this hiring cycle, which says a lot compared to where the Titans are right now. And I know some Titan fans don't like hearing this. Some probably agree to the decision to let him go.

That's fine. But at the end of the day, they let a really good coach walk out the door and they haven't had the solutions and answers since and to show you like ran is amy's guy ran gets brought in as gm in 2023 and a year later he's promoted to executive vice president slash general mentor that is a promotion that is power over the entire operation so we need time to see if that was ultimately the right long-term decision i would bet against this group having the success run of success that variable had with tennessee well it's it's it's a safe bet right i mean and minus 300 right and that's not that's not any slight on the current regime it's just they hit lightning in a bottle before with Vrabel,

and it's hard to be able to do that again. Now, Rand comes over from the San Francisco 49ers, where he was not only the director of player personnel before he was with the Titans, but then three years prior to that, he was the director of pro personnel. So he's had his hands on the pro personnel side of things and on the scouting side of things. So he is very knowledgeable. He is nice no and i think that when you look at his last couple

of drafts so his his first two drafts he takes peter skronsky at number 11 overall i am not going to sit here and like hindsight that because i love peter skronsky in the class he was my number five overall player you get him at number 11. That's pretty great. He hasn't been as impactful at guard as I thought that he was going to be. Now there's still plenty of time for it. And obviously like Latham's a rookie who's next to him, but he has not been as successful as I thought he was going to be. Levis, you like the swing of the bat in the second round.

Why not? You didn't have another quarterback option. Go get Levis. So to me, that, I mean, that move made a lot of sense. Tajay Spears in the third. I like Tajay Spearsars the playmaker um then you go into this year's draft latham okay he's not joe wall but joe was off the board right i mean like yeah you could have gone

with maybe one of these other offensive linemen but they took the chance on latham they liked latham so that's where they planted their flag i don't hate it i really don't tovandre sweat in the second tovandre is playing well next to Jeffrey Simmons. Day three, Cedric Gray, linebacker Jarvis Brownlee Jr., who's been nice, starting for them as an outside corner. You got James Williams and Jalen Harrell in the seventh round as well. They'll be nice depth pieces for you. So I don't hate what they've done through the draft.

And then you look at some big free agents that they signed last year. They're moving on from Derrick Henry. All right. I think that was... I wonder if that was just more of a... When Vrabel got fired, I wonder if that was sort of Adam Strunk coming in and saying,

we're tearing this down to the studs. Like, let's get, let's get rid of almost all of the variable players, all the John Robinson players. And I want to move on. And I wonder if that, because like Derrick Henry was emotional for his last game when he was with the Titans and the Titans were in a bad spot. And so they weren't exactly in a spot to pay running backs, right? It it's like we talked about with the other running backs before josh jacobs is great with the packers he would have been a bad signing for the las vegas raiders yeah that's sake saquon barkley he's been incredible for the philadelphia eagles he would have been a bad signing for the new york giants derrick henry might win the rushing title this year probably not over sa Saquon, but you know what I'm saying.

He's been incredible this year with the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah. He wouldn't have been a good signing for the Tennessee Titans. See, I disagree with you on that one. And here's why. I think there is something to developing a young quarterback with an elite run game. I don't think Henry is as scheme dependent as other guys.

I think the threat of Derrick Henry on the field every Sunday isn't scheme dependent. I don't think Derrick Henry would have made this team worse. I just don't know how much better they are with Henry. I agree. I don't think it's a wins and losses thing. Would they have two more wins? No, but that's not the point.

It would have given Will Levis, who I think is not the answer the answer i'll be very clear but they thought he could have been they used a top 40 pick thinking he could have been the answer if you think a guy's the answer that's developmental you do everything you can to set him up for success and i think derrick henry they paid tony pollard a good amount of money trevor like they did that's true that's true it's true it's true I totally agree with you on the Saquon conversation the Josh Jacobs conversation because what they get Pollard let's see why you pull that up this is a franchise legend in Derrick Henry and hell say they draft a rookie quarterback this year. And Derek Henry's who's just ageless.

Derek Henry's coming back for 2025. That's exciting to you with a rookie quarterback or whoever the heck the quarterback is going to be. So I don't know. This is one where I would have liked to see Derek Henry finish his career with the Titans. And I think it's more than just an emotional attachment to the organization. So that's, so that's fair. So when I, when I was when I was talking about the the premise of running backs and bad teams you know

I was talking about wins and losses yes Tony yeah we're probably talking about a different thing here to be Tony Paulard but I think it's a good call out by you because Tony Paulard signed for an average of eight million a year that's exactly what Derrick Henry got so you basically just chose going in a different directory a direction over Derrick Henry so. So you basically just chose going in a different direction over Derrick Henry. So I think that's a good shout-out. Even though I don't love the idea of paying a running back a decent chunk of change to be on a bad football team, this one is a little bit different. He's a franchise legend.

He could have started and ended his career with Tennessee. That could have been the case. But I do. It probably goes back to the owner wanting to just totally, totally reset everything. Yeah. Her way. Her way, right.

Independent of Robinson and his mistakes and Vrabel and maybe his hardheadedness and not wanting to cooperate with the direction that she wanted to go. So I do think that that part of it makes sense, which kind of brings us into the staff. So we'll talk about Rand Carth, obviously, as the general manager. He's going to remain somebody who's very heavily in charge of this football team. Brian Callahan is now the head coach, the offensive coordinator for five years

with the Cincinnati Bengals, who you mentioned. Now, he didn't call plays when he was in Cincinnati, but there was very clearly a setup between him and Zach Taylor where there was a lot of cohesiveness, a lot of coming together for the offensive game plan. It was reported that Zach Taylor and Brian Callahan were even you know in constant communication throughout games of game plans and maybe not individual plays but you know what to go for and you know how to emphasize the offense how to make halftime adjustments those kinds of things and Brian Callahan has said he wants to set up a similar system in Tennessee so Nick Holtz is the offensive coordinator I don Tennessee. So Nick Holtz is the offensive coordinator.

I don't know if Nick Holtz is going to be a scapegoat this year with how bad the offense has been. Maybe he is, maybe he's not, but whoever it's going to be, it's going to be somebody who Callahan's going to get along with. And I don't really have a good guess there because Callahan's still going to call plays for this team. So I don't think it's really worth looking into offensive coordinators because I don't think a lot changes there.

Denard Wilson is the defensive coordinator here for this team. His first year as a DC is his first year in Tennessee. He was the Ravens defensive backs coach the previous years before he came over. Now, if you're moving on from him, if you don't like how the defense is going, if you feel like there's got to be scapegoats from a bad season, you can move on from him. We've talked about Robert Sala, who ran Car carthon knows well because both of them were part of the san francisco 49ers organization even when sala was the defensive coordinator there so perhaps he is a candidate obviously cincinnati bangles and how bad their defense has been this year if luana rumo gets canned then luana rumo with his relationship with brian callahan you better believe that he

probably calling lu Anna Rumo to be in charge of this defense here in Tennessee. So to me, if they're going to move on from Wilson, those are two defensive coordinators that, to me, make sense, that you can point some connections to for them to go after. But other than that, I don't know about the big major staff changes that you're going to get here. You're not getting a new head coach.

You're not getting a new general manager. It really is just sort of year two of brian callahan to see what this uh this group in this regime is going to be able to do there yeah the only way a coach gets fired in a one and done is if you know you go full urban meyer kind of situation like for tennessee's poor record they have made it clear they're trying to build something this is the decision that ran and the ownership group have made and they're going to see it through and it's probably going to lead to you know big changes at the areas that they think can make big changes for them internally and that's quarterback like you said there's been a lot of bright moments for this defense i still think

they need another edge rusher they've been really really banged up at corner but there's bright spots with this defense of if the offense can get rolling, the defense will keep them as a competitive unit. They won't be a liability, but you know, let's have a real conversation when we'll live as is your starter and how he's played. And Nick Westbrook Akina is the guy catching your touchdowns and you have a giant liability, you know, no matter who they started, right?

Tackle. Those are key areas they need to improve and as much as i like chinga kanko they probably need a more traditional tight end to make an impact as well on this team so they they have work to do on this offense and brian callahan and his dad they're offensive coaches so you know when they get the right if they get the right pieces they'll mold them in the right direction but they have a lot of work to do on this blueprint. Titans key offensive players. As we get into the offensive breakdown or the roster breakdown, I should say for this team,

we've already kind of talked about the draft history and how they got there. So we'll talk about a roster overview and then we'll get us some, you know, team needs some cap space, their situation, their some cap targets. And then of course we'll give you the Tennessee Titans mock draft here to end the show. Key pieces, Tony Pollard,

cause he's not going anywhere. J.C. Latham, Peter Skronsky, Calvin Ridley. Yep. Those are the four because Daniel Brunskill is a free agent. Dylan Radins is a free agent.

Nicholas Petit Ferrer. I don't think, has played well enough to where you're like, yeah, we're good with him at right tackle next season. I think you're going to look to upgrade from him. Tyler Boyd, sort of in the twilight of his career. Nick Westbrook-Akene has been able to step up since DeAndre Hopkins hasn't been there. I'd be okay with bringing him back. He's also a pending free agent. But you mentioned Chuka Konkwo is their starting tight end.

They're probably looking to upgrade there, but those four players are the ones that I think you build around Mason Rudolph's a free agent. And then we'll let us again. I think you're at a point where you're looking to upgrade. I agree. Defensive side of the ball. Devandre sweat.

Jeffrey Simmons. Harold Landry. That's it it's a tough it's this a little tougher right i mean you have to say legeria sneed right yes sneed's been bad this year but yes you're bad and hurt which is not a good combo bad and but i mean i it's kind of my tony pollard version of what you had like yeah you think this is changing next year it's not so whether you love him or hate him no you're right you're right you're right i gotta throw him in there you're right you know he's a big cap hit next year that cannot be moved if they cut him they would actually lose cap savings so um yeah they need to bounce back gear from sneed that was it that's a that's a big

ran decision that needs to be observed like if sneed repeats this next year what he did this year that's a colossal miss he signed a four-year 76.4 million dollar deal yeah and that was that's that's what's tough is um you know you you look at some of the free agents that they signed last year. Calvin Ridley, huge free agent signing for them. Tony Pollard, huge free agent signing for them. Lloyd Cushenberry, who's hurt right now, but huge signing for them. Legerius Need, major signing for them. And they're not really getting a lot out of those players.

I mean, Calvin Ridley has been good at points this year. And I think that Calvin Ridley can be a lower-end wide receiver one at the NFL level. So I like Calvin Ridley has been good at points this year and I think that Calvin Ridley can be a lower end wide receiver one at the NFL level so I like Calvin Ridley but you know you're even looking at this past game yeah Levis throws him a late pass but like the him going out of bounds thing without getting to the first down I mean it's just like it's just I don't know it it feels like it's been a roller coaster with Calvin Ridley this year and i the quarterback position i get it it doesn't really help that situation you're not moving on from calvin ridley but i don't i don't know i feel like i'm being too harsh now no go this is important no i was about to say like i don't think that calvin ridley in year one has been worth what you paid him no he's not a number one wide

receiver in this league he's a high end i think he can be a low end wide receiver one but he has been really inconsistent this year in my opinion and that could be much more quarterback related than calvin ridley related but it's just been frustrating i think it's been frustrating for this team because tony pollard hasn't been that bad doesn't really matter for him they're three and ten legeria sneed has been hurt and he's been bad in a secondary. That's clearly still evolving. They're hoping that he could be a piece for it moving forward. So we'll see Calvin Ridley.

I mean, it didn't even look great when it was both him and Deandre Hopkins. And now it's just him. But like Westbrook, he's getting a lot of action since then. I don't know. I, I,

I, Calvin Ridley has been very frustrating for me this season and I'm very curious am I being way too hard on this Titans fans let me know I believe I like Calvin Ridley maybe that's why I'm so frustrated about it is because I think that he could be good but uh that has been that's been frustrating for me well it's tricky right because everything gets judged on you know how what someone's paid and you look at the wide receiver market and they went out and they made a not a gamble but a big bet on Ridley Ridley got a big deal right I mean his average per year is 23 million which isn't nuts in the wide receiver

world nowadays he got guarantees around 47 million but you look at the company he's in, like he's around Terry McLaurin and DK Metcalf and Nico Collins and Devante Smith and Cooper Cup. It's not even close how they changed the game compared to him. You just need more out of him. And I understand some of the circumstances have put him in a spot, an impossible spot this year. So I want to be fair with that. That's why it's frustrating talking about Ridley.

I still think he can be good, but I was hoping for him to be a little bit more. You want more. And yeah. Yeah. So let's see. Free agency money to spend. Forty seven and a half million,

which is 12th in the NFL of effective effective cap space so that's counting the draft class yes yes great okay um so they have some yeah obviously they've got some money to work with but they were they were major spenders in free agency last year i don't really expect them to do that this year even even if they sort of have that ability. Again, I think that you bring Nick Westbrook and Keeney back, in my opinion. Dylan Reigns and Dane Brunskill are both free agents. I don't know if you really want to bring those guys back. I'd probably run

it back with different players. My free agent targets, I'm not going to say Chiefs. Trey Smith. I'm not going to say Trey Smith because you've said him for every single show, but I will use some names that we have talked about before. If you can get a Tevin Jenkins, I like the idea of that. Because Cushenberry is going to start a center for you. He's under contract. You're paying him too much money.

Chris Grontz, he's not going anywhere. He's going to play that guard spot unless you want to play him a tackle. Maybe. But he's not going anywhere. And then J.C. Lathatham you feel like you're good on the left side of the line scrimmage and then i like tevin jenkins getting tevin jenkins you know he can play that right guard spot for you and then really focusing on offensive tackle you still have petite ferrer on a contract you don't have to move on from him you don't have to make a dire decision yeah but you could really see uh what upgrades that you could have at offensive tackle in the

draft if you want so that's sort of my that, that's sort of how I would attack this, this free agency period for them. Yeah, one thing that helps them with the cap space too, I would cut Kenneth Murray and save $7.5 million. That's a good chunk of change, $7.5 million for a player that, in my opinion, has just not been effective in the middle of your defense. Yeah, and Jerome Baker, I think, is a free agent as well. So they'll need to grab a linebacker for sure. my opinion it's just not been effective in the middle of your defense yeah and uh jerome baker i think he's a free agent as well so they'll need to they'll need to grab a linebacker for sure

but they drafted cedric gray so like maybe they love cedric gray i actually have not checked how much cedric gray has played this season i could tell you right now i have all their uh i don't think a lot i haven't heard his name a lot so no i don't think much lot. I haven't heard his name a lot, so. No, I don't think much at all, if any at all. Because they played Baker a little bit, obviously Murray and Ernest. Ernest before they traded him. Before they traded Ernest. Ernest Jones played over 300 snaps.

Oh, yeah, they have Jack Gibbons as well. I forgot who's been grading very, very well. But he's just. Okay. I think that he's a, I think he's more of like a high floor, low ceiling type of a linebacker. So you're not desperate to,

you know, resign Jerome Baker. I don't think, but like Gibbons has played well, he's been a tackling machine for a handful of games, but he's on IR. So I forgot about him. Cause he wasn't in the lineup that I was looking at.

So you'd go with him. And then, um, definitely saving the money on Murray. Cedric Gray has not played this season. I think he only has special teams tackles. I would assume he had like three tackles or something. Yeah, he I don't see any defensive snaps for him.

It's just there's not a lot of money that they're going to look to free up, in my opinion. I mean, I don't I don't think you'd cut Harold Landry. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Don't don't right you're just creating a new hole sebastian joseph day is a free agent tyler but tyler boyd's also a free agent i forgot to mention that and you let him walk marlon davidson morgan cox garrett wallow james lynch uh jack is a restricted free agent but they'll tender him. Easy enough.

He won't go anywhere. I think that's about it. Yeah, they don't have any targets. Let's get into that. Because they do have some money to spend. They do. I want to look at the linebacker group. Team needs.

Quarterback. Right tackle. Right guard. edge rusher, wide receiver, linebacker, tight end. You got a lot. You do. You got a lot. But I think in free agency, the only positions that you're really looking

at free agency are guard, maybe edge rusher, linebackbacker and tight end. Cause I think for quarterback, I think for offensive tackle and I think for wide receiver, you're probably looking to just draft those positions. I could see, I would be really interested to see them take a flyer on Makai Becton. That was one of my guys. Yeah.

That was because, because of bill Callahan's ability to coach Becton is always a one of my guys. Yeah, that was because because of Bill Callahan's ability to coach. Becton is always a guy that's, you know, needed development and he's getting better development with the Eagles and things have looked better for him this year playing guard. But you get him into camp, you see what Callahan sees in him and you go, this guy can play either right guard or right tackle for us. I think that's the best route for them. I just have so much faith in him as a coach that I can take risky. Becton's a risk, right?

He wasn't for the Eagles because the Eagles got him on a one-year deal in his career. It was on a lifeline. But wherever Becton goes from here on out, no matter how well he plays the season before, he's played pretty well this year for comparable expectations were.

They can take that risk because they have the right coaching on the offensive line staff. I looked for if there were any of the browns offensive linemen that were uh of free agency there are not to be able to come over with bill because he finished them but i mean there are some but not like high impactful guys not any guys who would start it i don't know yeah tevin jenkins mckayecton. I like both of those guys. It's like kind of reclamation projects. Becton's, you know, had a better year with the Eagles

and Tevin's always about health. Let's see linebackers. I'll tell you an interesting guy for them who's had a really, really good stretch of play since CJ Mosley's been down is Jamie and Sherwood on the Jets. He's going to hit free agency.

25 years old, really good speed. Okay. He's one of the better ones available. Robert Spillane's a free agent, but I think they want to go younger here would be my thought. Probably. I don't mind either of those. I think, is Zach Bond a free agent?

He is a free agent. Yeah, Zach Bond bond a free agent he is a free agent yeah zach bond's a free agent i want to turn around he's had he'll be expensive because of how well he is playing but like nick bolton's a linebacker free agent as well see bolton and sherwood are 25 that's why i like i and i think i think bolton's had a down year from when i was i actually don't hate nick bolton right because it because a down year doesn't mean it's a bad player. No, I think he's a good player. I really liked him leading up to this year. I think he's just had some tougher moments than we were accustomed to seeing.

I want to see how he's grading out. Man, what do we think about Dre Greenlaw? That's a really, really interesting one. Because the upside is through the roof. Right, coming off the Achilles. Yeah, that's... I like it. And classic Bolton fashion,

he's graded out fine against the run and very poorly in coverage and rushing the passer. He's an old-school, thumping kind of linebacker, Bolton. Bohn and Sherwood would give you that kind of versatility, so it depends what you want or you're looking for. There's just not going to be massive spenders, right? Who's good in coverage? Well, those are pretty hard to find.

Right. I mean, I would imagine a healthy Trey Greenlaw can help you with the kind of range that he should have. But does he have that range off an Achilles? These are different questions. He hasn't played yet. No, that's a brutal injury where that first step pushing off that heel is so vital.

Yeah, but what if they just don't rush him back and he actually just gets like a whole offseason as well? Then it's awesome. So. Plus the Niners are going to have to play pay-per-dy. So it's not like they can just keep paying guys. I like Greenlaw. All right.

All right. Tevin Jenkins or Mekhi Becton. Dre Greenlaw. Or I guess I would take Nick Bolton. Yeah. I think the Greenlaw signing has the most upside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dre Greenlaw.

And then is there anybody, is there like a tight end? That's what I'm looking at right now. The list is terrible. It's terrible. I hate that. Yeah. So the answer is no they need to draft

what about a wide receiver well i think they should bring back nick westbrook kikine honestly i think so too he's a guy you're comfortable with the staff obviously likes him you're putting more on his plate he knows your system you know why let westbrook kikine leave for a you know to sign a a very uninspiring list here yeah i'm looking through wide receivers i don't really i mean yeah it's it's a lot of aging guys yeah yeah or underachieving guys i've talked about how josh palmer is a vertical threat but why would i just not bring back westbrook ak Keeney instead? If I like him. Maybe taking a flyer on Greg Dortch or something like that? Sure, but how much does this team like the outside

run game? How often are you going to have Dortch out there? Ooh, little Tylan Wallace? He's had some moments for Baltimore. The team does like running the ball, but they don't really have the tight ends to do it as well as they would want to. They don't. Because they're also pretty bad in 11 personnel.

Like remember like the whole Cincinnati Bengals thing was like 11 personnel, 11 personnel with, with when Brian Callahan was there, they are the second lowest graded passing team out of 11 personnel this year. So I wonder if that's going to be a major emphasis of what they want to do. Like really get back because you go out and you get Calvinvin ridley you go and get deandre hopkins you have nick westbrook akine you have tyler boyd like who you brought over from cincinnati obviously i wonder if they if they really want to lean into running a lot more 11 personnel

so maybe wide receivers a little bit higher on the needs list than right. I'm saying, I mean, they definitely need a receiver. It's just, they have so many offensive needs. It's, it's like the offense to me. Can't doesn't give the receivers the chance they need to without a

quarterback and right tackle. Yeah. It's a, this is a tough project. It is. It's not a, I think it's not a one-year project. It's it's,

that's really what that means. It's just not, it's just not a one-year project it's it's that's really what that means it's just not it's just not a one-year project okay so uh they have a first round pick so all right all right tevin jenkins mckay back then we're getting one of those guys and then drake greenlaw and nick bolt so at least you know we're moving on from kenneth murray we're getting a better linebacker situation in there. You got, Oh damn. Who is it? The linebacker who I just said was hurt. Jack Gibbons. So it's like Jack Gibbons. It'll be Drake Greenlaw. It's fine. You'd be okay there. Especially with Cedric Gray, you know, in his second year, I think you're all right at linebacker there.

And then for offensive line, you'll have JC Latham at left tackle. Pierce Gronski at left guard, Lloyd Cushenberry at center, and then one of like Mekhi Becton or Tevin Jenkins at right guard. So that'll sort of be our setup moving forward. They have a first round pick. They have a second round pick. They don't have a third round pick because of the LeJerry Sneed. Sneed, yeah.

They have a fourth round pick. And then they have an extra fourth round pick because of the ErnGarrius Sneed. Sneed, yeah. They have a fourth round pick, and then they have an extra fourth round pick because of the Ernest Jones trade. And then they also have an extra fourth round pick if the Kansas City Chiefs make the Super Bowl. But if they don't make the Super Bowl, this is for the DeAndre Hopkins trade, if they don't make the Super Bowl,

then that goes to a fifth round pick. So they would get an extra fifth round pick. So you want to do a four round mock? I want to do a four round mock here. Makes sense. We got some work to do. Before we get to extra fifth round pick. So you want to do a four-round mock? I want to do a four-round mock here. Makes sense. We got some work to do. Before we get to the four-round mock, I have a proposition for you.

Okay, what are you cooking? Because currently, the Tennessee Titans pick sixth overall. There are the New York Giants and the Las Vegas Raiders who are picking in front of you. The Titans would be a team that needs a quarterback. Maybe the Jets are a team that needs a quarterback. Maybe the Cleveland Browns are a team that needs a quarterback. Okay. So there's some quarterback fighting going on around there. And you already know that two teams

who have at least one less win than you and a lower strength of schedule in the New York Giants and in the Las Vegas Raiders are drafting a quarterback. Depending on how you feel about this quarterback class, I think as of right now, things can change. Consensus feels like Shadur Sanders, Cam Ward are the two quarterbacks that we feel comfortable with in the top 10. Could be some talk about Jalen Milrow. Could be some talk about Drew Aller,

who a lot of people are high on. We'll see how the college football playoff plays out with Penn State and Drew Aller. The reason I bring it up is to say this. Sam Darnold is playing very, very well for the Minnesota Vikings. So well, in fact, that I don't know how you let that quarterback walk. Yeah, I agree. Sam Darnold currently has the second highest big-time throw rate in the NFL behind only Anthony Richardson. So when you talk about efficiency with his big-time throw percentage, I actually think it's like him and Josh Allen that are tied at like 6.9%.

I can't remember exactly who he's tied with, but it's somebody who's tied at the top with 6.9%. Sam Donald's play under pressure is one of the best of any quarterbacks in the NFL this season. He is a different player. He is, what, 26 years old now? I believe 27, yep. He has plenty, plenty of years left in the tank.

And what him and Kevin O'Connell can do has been unbelievable with already a double-digit win season and Super Bowl aspirations because of how well Sam Darnold is playing. You drafted J.J. McCarthy in the first round last year. McCarthy hurts his knee and he doesn't play this entire season. And it's given way to Sam Donald proving that he is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL for 2024, perhaps in the future. I get this makes things a little bit tricky.

But I said this on the PFF NFL show. This is the family guy meme. A boat's a boat. You're right. But the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat. J.J. McCarthy is great. But we don't know.

If he could be even what we have seen from Sam Darnold from this entire season. He's not easily. I don't. The Vikings have the cap space to be able to do this. I don't know how you let that quarterback walk out of the door. And if there is a reality where they sign sam darnold to a four-year contract for a good chunk of money because it's gonna be a good chunk of money now yeah he's earned it i wonder if tennessee would be interested in trading for jj mccarthy

it's fascinating because when we were going through free agency i wanted to bring up darnold but it is a very because i'll be the first to say if Darnold just walks a free agency. Like Tennessee should be on line one with the bag lined up because Darnold. It's it's Callahan, who I think will be a good offensive coach. Darnold, I don't see wanting to go back to New York. So rule out, obviously, that's just the Jets, but also the Giants. The Raiders are picking number one right now,

and we think Shadur would go, like that would be the Shadur spot. The Titans make a ton of sense. But you're right, Trevor. It's now reaching the point. When you hear the, we watched the presser, the post game with Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison talking about him.

It's honestly going to be a tough sell to that locker room to say, you know what? We made our pick like we're moving on. They love Sam Darnold. And why not? Why not? He just threw five touchdowns last weekend. We are at a point where I might think it's more realistic that you're trading for J.J. McCarthy as opposed to Sam Darnold. where I might think it's more realistic that you're trading for JJ McCarthy

as opposed to Sam Darnold. I agree because if you are, number one, there's obviously a great relationship with Kevin O'Connell and Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold will, if option one is he can come back, he'll go back. Like if the money's even decent, close. Yeah, why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? Sam Darnold has been through an awful development stage with the Jets,

an awful stage with the Panthers. He basically had a redshirt year with the Niners to just get out of the spotlight and learn. And he is finally in a place where he is a top 10 MVP candidate. Why would you want to leave? Especially because I don't know if brian flores leaves the head coach right he's already had a head of head coach tenure tenure with the dolphins he's already talked about sort of like the things that he learned about like what the difference is of

being a head coach and being a defense coordinator if you're running it back with most of that team a lot of really good place it's it's a really good place here is the, here is the idea that I am proposing to you. I say, I say we do, I say we do two mock drafts and we can do that pretty quickly. We can do one where we're not doing anything at quarterback, but then I am interested in doing a mock draft where the Tennessee Titans trade for JJ McCarthy with their first round pick.

So here's the thing is the problem. The Titans are in a place where now one JJ McCarthy, who was drafted 10th. Yeah. 10th overall. He's not going to go for higher than that, especially coming off of a knee injury. So I don't think the titans are

gonna say whoa hold on whoa jj when is qb4 last year at number 10 overall we're not just gonna give you number six for jj and if if the minnesota vikings tell him to piss off fine but i can't see i don't know if rand Carthen is going to do that. I wouldn't. Rand would really have to love J.J. McCarthy for that to be the case. I agree. But I think a reality could exist where they pick swap in the first round because the Vikings are going to be picking 25 and later,

and the Titans are going to be picking somewhere in the top eight, it looks like. So you can pick swap in the first round. And then the Titans are also giving you a second next year, a third two years from now. What do you think about that? That makes a lot more sense. Because you still need a lot of players. Where the conversation is starting. Yeah, you need players if you're the Titans.

That's my thing. And that value, I agree with you on the value. J.J. McCarthy is, unfortunately, the new car driven off the lot. And after two weeks, you're like, ah, I don't like this. Well, guess what? It depreciated. He just had knee surgery. He's out for the year.

He's had a second one He's out for the year. He's had a second one as well on top of it, which was probably a cleanup. But I mean, and this isn't just a pile on JJ McCarthy. This is talking about a player as an asset. And that's the reality the Vikings are facing right now. Great for Minnesota that Sam Darnold's been awesome. So this might not even be your scenario for the best case scenario. This might not even be your issue anymore.

But the reality is anybody that gets on a microphone and tells you, and the NFL makes surprises. So maybe, but I think they're off base. If they go, why don't the giants just call up and trade the second overall pick for McCarthy? Not happening.

Like it's that's this asset has, in my opinion, depreciated. So, all right, you want to do that? You want to do the JJ mock draft first? Yeah,

let's do that. We'll get to the regular one one okay uh let's bring up the pff mock draft simulator boom there it is in all its glory uh if you guys don't have the full pff uh unlock mock draft simulator you should go get a pff subscription and make it happen so we're picking for the titans at number six we're gonna do a four round mock draft mock draft here. So let's see. Let's enter the draft. Before the draft starts, let's go to the Minnesota Vikings. Where are they? Where are the Vikings?

There's Vikings 28. So we're trading 28 for six. So it's a pick swap in the first round. We're also getting J.J. McCarthy. And then what's the points difference? Can you bring up the draft chart from 6 to 28? Because obviously the quarterback part of it goes into this. But like you said, the Titans still need picks.

So Vikings fans might be listening to this and be like, oh no, that's not nearly enough. I think we need to operate from a reality of what would the Titans do? Because obviously this is a Titans episode. And if it's something crazy like a pick swap here in a first round or next year, I don't think the Titans are doing that. So we're not really going through with that exercise anyways. I'm wondering if we can get away with like a third rounder next year

and a third rounder the year after. From 6 to 26 is a 203 point difference, which is the equivalent of about the 29th overall pick in the draft. Okay. So then we would probably just need to give up the second rounder next year. I think so. That makes sense. so a second rounder because they're leaping all the way up there they're getting their quarterback

round two they're getting around two next year would it take more than that it's a big fall it's a huge you are you are getting a guy that in this scenario you're believing in is your franchise i think it's the pick swap and then a 2025 second rounder you 26 at 2026 my bad yeah yeah yeah all right let's go with that i say we go with that and you know these things can yeah you maybe some people disagree the point is for the sake of getting this mock draft done that's where we land here yeah we're in the ballpark right right okay so yeah this is this is the ballpark i think this is where we start the conversation again if we would need to add like a a third rounder or something in in 27 so be it whatever but i don't know how much richer

we can get here with the deal for minnesota to where tennessee would say yes so that's why we're going to operate like this so we're simulating it all the way to 28 uh Shadur's going to be off the board, so we don't have to worry about that. 28, though. Offensive tackles. Oh, tight end, Tyler Warren. I was going to say, Tyler Warren would be in play here. Did Colson Loving go off the board?

Because that's funny. Probably. Yeah, Colson Loving with the Bucs. Wow, K. Dotton slid. Him and K. Dotton? K. Dotton. Dynamic. K. Dotton. Dynamic. Yeah.

So, we got a little bit fixed up with the offensive line, interior offensive line, and then the linebacker spots. So, I would say edge rusher, wide receiver, offensive tackle. Those are the areas that we really need to focus on in this mock, especially with having J.J. McCarthy here. Right. And tight end. And tight end, yeah.

If there is a major upgrade at tight end, which there obviously is in this situation, so let's just search these positions. Oh, man. Edge rusher, offensive tackle, tight end, and then wide receiver. So Elk Isleainer is here. Tyler Warren is here.

I actually don't think for this team, I think I would pick Tyler Warren over Elk IOMainer. The way the board broke, I'm taking Tyler Warren here. Yeah, I don't really mind that. I don't love this board. Especially because we're picking decently early in the second round. All right, let's take Tyler Warren. So we'll tyler warren the tight end out of penn state uh who absolutely can be a first round pick i mean think about who mccarthy was good throwing to colson loveland oh absolutely that's why i brought up colson yeah but like warren can warren works the seam at six foot six

he's great at working the same 100 100 right, so offensive tackle or edge rusher? Princely, I like for this team. Greg Zabel, I think, is more of an interior offensive line, so I'm not really thinking about him there. Edge rusher, there's just so many of them. Now, we don't pick again until 107, remember, so we got to make this one count. I mean, there's just so many.

Jared Ivey from Ole Miss. Mike Green from Marshall. Donovan Izaraku. 107 remember so we got to make this one count i mean there's there's just so many jared ivy from old miss mike green from marshall donovan is iraq who from from boston college yeah monster last game against pit just incredible he when he's on as you could see with the grades like he he goes off like nuclear he has like three or four games where he's nuclear yeah he's been awesome kyle conard's been a little bit slower of a second half of the season for him, or at least down the stretch, but he is still good. Jack Sawyer, a good player. I think he could be in consideration here.

Prince of Yamami Allen, just such high pass rush grade this year, man. Do you have a leaning one way or the other? Well, I really wanted to tackle here i'm really nervous about right tackle right now and i don't really love the position we're in so if we were to go a little bit further down these are the next two guys that i like the most for offensive tackle marcus mabou from uh from purdue who i think is good he's a little he's lighter he's a lighter of a player it reminds me a lot of roger rosengarten and the fact that like okay he's a finesse guy he's gonna learn have to learn how

to get a little bit stronger but man i do think he moves very very well ozzy trapeo from boston college i i didn't get to him as of late but i actually like him a good amount like he's a big powerful dude he's six foot eight 310 pounds like he is a he is like a mike mclinchy mold type of a player i can't remember what my my early conference was for him we talked about that get to offense tackles but i actually liked him a decent amount he's got some uh some good starting experience to him i think josh connerly could be available here actually now because like josh connerly's been playing really really well lately i think he's gonna to be he I think he is going to be a lot higher on my board once we get to offensive tackle recheck so I got him around like pick 100 now but I genuinely think he could be somewhere around

like a second round pick from what the way that people are talking about him and how he's played what do you think Connerly if he was available here, has to be in consideration, just with the talent he has and the fact that he gives you the best ceiling at the position where you just, like, you got to swing big at tackle if you're this team. You've had enough of the mediocre solutions that haven't worked for you. I would be down for three players. Josh Connerly Jr. Yep.

Prince Lee, you mind me, Alan, the edge rusher from Ole Miss and your boy, Mike Green from Marshall. I mean, Mike Green is the highest rated player for me by a good margin in this scenario.

Okay. Full transparency. Prince Lee is really exciting to me because if you get him standing up on an Island because of the, the attention, the big defensive tackles on this team and harold landry draw i think princely would be really successful here and then i think the biggest need is tackle so talk about just being pulled at every limb right now and not having a great lean

if if they went with one of the edge guys i would hope in free agency they were able to get a stopgap solution at right tackle but those are hard to find those are hard to find man I think it's easier to get an edge rusher I think so too let's take Connerly let's see yeah go Connerly okay we're taking the offensive I had Connerly Jr. from Oregon over summer I had Connerly as uh like him a lot you like him a lot more than I did. I had him as tackle for a lot more than I did. So I, I believe in the talent. I mean,

I got to really go through the full in-depth watch of this year, but your boy, Kyman Rucker is still here. He's, he's a really good player. That's had some really shitty injury. Look, he could really rush the passer.

Like, like, yeah, I encourage anyone that hasn't watched a came Rucker yet, just turn on the tape of what he does against true pass sets. He's a demon. I think I like him the most.

R. Mason Thomas is like a Nick Benito type. Just like a smaller designated pass rusher type of player. Maybe that would be great for them. just like a smaller designated pass rusher type of player. But I mean, maybe that'd be great for them. I'm a kale Camara from, yeah, from Indiana,

sort of the same way. A little bit small. I know. I guess he said he's like a fire hydrant. He is. Yeah, you're right. He's very wide.

I guess I thought of the frame overall, but you're right. I mean, I mean, he has played very well this season. He has only six foot one is an edge rusher though. I know, which means he's played very well this season. He has. Only 6'1 is an edge rusher, though. I know, which means he's probably legitimately 6' tall in measurements.

Okay, you want Kyron Rucker? Let's go edge rusher here. I think. I don't think I'm overthinking this. Rucker would be my highest rated pass rusher in this scenario. Now, I'd love the Iowa State receivers on the board, but I think it's...

We only have one, right? Oh, yeah, Higgins is gone, right? Oh, no, he's right here. No, he's there. Okay, Higgins is here. Ooh, Higgins is good. Higgins is very good. We pick again at 124. I can't in good faith take Higgins is good. Higgins is very good. We pick again at 124.

I can't in good faith take Higgins at 124. Oh, because you think he's going one high picker. Yeah, unless I'm off on that one, I think Higgins is a top 75 pick. Okay, let's go Kyman Rucker. We'll go with the edge rusher here. And then let's look at what receiver we might have. Yeah, get some value here. Yeah.

Nick Anderson's going back to school. I got to update that. Oh, okay. He already announced that? Well, he was in the transfer portal, so yeah. Right, so he announced that. Yeah, we had a couple of guys. Caleb Banks from Florida.

Dante Corleone's going back to school. Didn't see that one coming. I missed that one. Yeah, did not see that one coming. He's been around for a long time. I wonder if he's just getting day three grades. I unfortunately think that's the case. around for a long time i wonder if he's just getting day three grades i keep unfortunately think that's the case um very unorthodox player in the interior so probably prether

prether it's well it's my year a down year because ty felon has stole the show he has but i think i don't know like i liked prether better over the summer but Felton's been the better player this year Felton has been the better player this year yeah that's true Prather was wide receiver 11 for me this summer Felton was wide receiver 19 I would think that's at least flipped at the moment right now have you watched Theo uh Weiss at all I have yeah he's I mean this I think this might be a little early but I I was pleasantly surprised. He's solid. He's solid. Ricky White's still here, though. He's just a... The butt clock king.

Yeah, I'd take Ricky White here. Ricky White is awesome. Just an extremely productive wide receiver. And he plays incredible special teams. Yeah, and is small enough to play in the slot. Like, Westbrook Akina can play the X. Yeah, Ricky white's very anchor very accomplished let's do it let's make let's do ricky white that's good we haven't had him

in a mock draft yet i like that he's got over a thousand yards this year okay so we lose the second round pick next year but we gain ourselves uh treasures in heaven uh we get jj mccarthy tyler warren in the first round josh connerly in the second, Kyman Rucker in the fourth, and Ricky White. Dude, snort up treasure in heaven. It's unbelievable. And we get Ricky White in the fourth. So, all right, all right.

So that's our J.J. McCarthy scenario. We're building for the future. We're building up the offense. Yeah, and by the way. We're building a defensive line. Fuck you and by the way we're building a defensive line fuck you mike mccarthy for giving us a d for this draft this is ridiculous this is absolutely ridiculous at this point this is a great draft he's a hater he's a hater look connerly the connerly one is bad because i've got him ranked 115 it's not mike's fault mike is no no my big

board it's all jokes it's not but it's not you mike it's not i promise it's not mike's fault mike is no no my big board it's all jokes it's not but it's not you mike it's not i promise it's not all right so let's go back to now let's restart this bad boy and we'll give you we'll give you another four round mock here enter draft okay start draft we're not trading for jj mccarthy so we got will johnson malachi starkarks on the board. Will Campbell's here. Yeah, I don't think you can do the Skowronski pick again. Yeah, but what if I feel like Will Campbell's a technical? The point stands. Luther Burden, who, you know, look,

just a little bit of a teaser for the wide receiver episode that we have coming up on Thursday. Luther Burden's still sick all right yeah it's a puzzling offense to watch just i mean this dude is sick he's awesome it's puzzling it's a puzzling watch i mean man i hate doing this because we've done it a million times where I don't want to do it here, but Kelvin Banks playing right tackle. Do we think the quarterbacks are gone? Because remember, we just have Will Levis in this scenario. Hunter and Cam Ward are gone.

Okay. Not Hunter. Shadur. Hunter's gone too, but this is quite the conundrum. Like, who the hell is playing quarterback for this team in this scenario? Right. Right. It's not pretty.

It's going to be Drew Aller when we draft him in the top of the second round here in a sec. I would really like Drew Aller to make his decision, and this is selfishly for me and not for Drew Aller, just because I think Drew Aller is going to go back to school, but I don't know anymore. There's a world where drew aller who who is raw but talented very talented right just goes you know what i'm i'm

striking while the iron's hot someone's gonna take me in the top 10 because i have tools right uh i don't know jim i would take in this scenario i would take kelvin banks jr because we assume the cam warden should are going to be off the board so i would take, in this scenario, I would take Kelvin Banks Jr. Because we assume that Cam Ward and Shadur are going to be off the board. So I would take Kelvin Banks Jr., Nick Scorton, or Jalen Walker. I was going to say, Jalen Walker is the most fun pick here. Because he could just be an absolute demon in your front seven. Yeah, but then we're going to have the same problem. Because I'm picking a

court i'm picking drew our 38 we don't have any other options no i know you almost can't hear you really need that you need to take a right so you have to take a right tackle in this spot yeah kelvin megs jr yeah you basically have to i know it's boring but that's why we do two mock drafts by by the way. Yeah, Kelvin Banks Jr. from the offensive tackle from Texas. He plays left tackle. I think he could play left tackle for the Tennessee Titans, and then I think J.C. Latham, who played right tackle at Alabama,

can move back and right tackle on the other side of things. Now, if you don't want to mess up the chemistry, maybe you could play Kelvin Banks at right tackle. Yeah, you can. I don't really care. So, all right, Kelvin Banks Jr. And then we're going to 38. And now you're going to take Drew Aller?

Yeah. I mean, I love it. Yeah, we have no other choice. What are we going to do? I think Drew Aller and Garrett Nussmeyer, Garrett Nussmeyer is going back to school. My take is if Aller declares, I really think he's going to somehow find himself in the top 15.

I, I don't think he declares unless he really has hype that he's going to get into the first round. So we're either taking drew our here or we're trading back up into the first round to get you out. Take drew our here just to kind of make the point stand. Right, right. Because Hey,

there's a world where you could trade out a six and still get Calvin banks. If you want a couple of assets. Yeah, I agree. Or one of the other offensive line or offensive tackles who are really good. Right. But I didn't feel like doing.

I didn't feel like. No, no, no, no. It's too much mathing to go on here. And we're just not. We're not here for that. All right. Well, I feel amazing about this draft, by the way. OK.

All right. So we got Drew Aller. We got Kelvin Banks Jr. What do we want to look at? Edge rushers. Oh, tight ends. Oh, Jackson Hawes could block his ass off for you. A little T-Ferg.

Yeah, T-Ferg. I am admittedly a T-Ferg guy. Oregon tight end, Terrence Ferguson, by the way. Thank you, Trevor. That's much needed. I don't know if people who are listening to this, just as Titans fans, know who T-Ferg is. Yeah, no, it's very justifiable to tell them.

Yeah, and also off-ball linebackers still in need here too, but probably a little early for that. Oh, there's plenty of them. I don't hate Jackson Hawes. I don't hate Ferguson. I don't hate R. Mason Thomas and Mikael Kamara. There's plenty of off-ball linebackers,

so we don't have to pick an off-ball linebacker. Right, we can wait on that. All right, of off-ball linebackers, so we don't have to pick a lot of linebackers here. We can wait on that. All right, Kelvin Banks Jr., Drew Raller. So we need an edge rusher. I think let's do R. Mason Thomas. Yeah, I was thinking that too, like a pure rusher. Yes, pure rusher.

Like situational, a DPR. Yeah. He's been good. I think he's that designated pass rusher type. So we'll take him from Oklahoma. And then... At 124. Oh, Ty Felton's here?

I say Ty Felton jumps out right away. Vertical threat. Damn, he's really slowed down second half of the season. I was going to say, nothing going on there. That's looking like 2023 Ty Felton. I didn't love Ty Felton. This summer or this year even this year i was just worried about the lack of physicality yeah right right right so i got a 121 that makes i mean yeah that's that's where i would uh jackson hawes sure his receiving grades

are not admittedly not great like he is a blocking. Well, that's what I want here, though. Right. That's why I like him here. Tip Ryman type of a dude, I think. Yeah, that's what they need. They can run two tight end sets, get Chiggy with it on one side, and have Jackson Hawes on the other side. All right, we're taking Jackson Hawes then.

We're getting the beef. All right, so this draft here, this second draft, Kelvin Banks Jr., Drew Aller, R. Mason Thomas, Jackson Hawes. All right, a little bit better. Kind of like McCarthy approved. McCarthy likes this one a little bit better. Drew Aller great still bringing us down. Yeah, but though, this is a very eat your vegetables kind of draft right here.

Yeah, you're getting the quarterback. Locking tight end, right tackle, fast rusher yeah and big quarterback with a good arm look we said that it was going to be a multi year rebuild here it's going to be a multi-year we delivered so we would love to hear from you guys titans fans let us know how you think that we did uh the assessment of your team how you guys got here how you're feeling about the organization how you're feeling about ran carthon about the ownership about the head coaching situation. If you would make changes in the coaching staff, let us know. Let us know what you think of this roster, whether you can get cheeks, whether you think

it's a little bit closer than we think that it is. Talk to us about the free agency strategy, and then we'd love to hear which mock draft you thought was better, and even the J.J. McCarthy theory that we had there. Best way to do that, youtube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. If you are audio only, you can hit us up on Twitter and at Tampa Bay Trey and at Connor J. Rogers,

the same thing for Instagram as well. We will do one more fixture franchise. It's going to be the Carolina Panthers next week on Monday, but before then, we have early wide receiver rankings for the 2025 NFL Draft. It's the first time we're doing a full episode re-ranking these positions.

So Connor and I are taking a lot of time looking at the regular season film for a lot of these guys now that the regular season is over for college football. Obviously, they have a couple of big games left to play. If they play in the bowl game, if they're in the college football playoff. But a lot of that tape is already out there for how they played this year. So we'll certainly consider what they're about to do in some of their biggest games. But a lot of that tape is in. We wanted to take a look at it and give you that update of rankings with the position that we know that you guys love in wide receiver connor

anything else before we get out of here no i'm excited for the panthers bryce has played really really well the that's why we wait on the panthers folks that's why we wait on the panthers because yeah i'm sure if we needed to desperately draft the quarterback and then we don't and i'm glad we did and with the titans this one was just all about the roster today, which are some of my favorite ones. So I was glad we got to get two mock drafts in. We are grinding wide receiver tape right now, folks. Like, eyes bleeding, grinding.

I'm going to try to watch as many of these guys. But, you know, film evals, like final regular season film evals, take a while because you want to watch at least four games, these guys. So it's taken a lot of time, but I'm going to try to get to somewhere around like 18, 20, 22 type of guys. I'm going to try to get to as many as possible to make sure that we've got a

solidified. We'll probably try to give you like a top 15, like an early top 15 from each of us. I would love to be able to do that if we can, but we'll see. And you guys will have to see as well. When you tune in on Thursday, I'm Trevor Sikama. That's kind of Rogers. Thank you guys so be able to do that if we can, but we'll see. And you guys will have to see as well when you tune in on Thursday. I'm Trevor Sycamore.

That's Connor Rogers. Thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. We'll see you for wide receiver rankings on Thursday. We'll see you then. Thank you.